Transform returns in Ixalan!

>>55102750
That's a pretty well balanced card for EDH, particularly a colourless/boros deck. I'd fuck with that.

What do "treasure" tokens do?

>>55102750
Kinda neat. I'm worried, though, that this block is gonna be a bunch of colonialist bullshit.

>>55102772
>What do "treasure" tokens do?
You can sac them for mana. It literally says it on the card you just posted about.

>>55102772
They are taoped and sacrificed for one mana of any color

>>55102772
RTFC

>>55102772
It's on the artifact half of the card, Anon.

>T, Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any colour to your mana pool.

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>>55102772
It says right there on the Map.
>[T], Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.

>>55102798
Nice

>>55102806
>>55102807
>>55102811
>>55102813
>>55102823
Sorry, I was all distracted by new colourless draw tech. Those artifact tokens are going to be stupidly powerful. Buy Mechanized Production, or whatever that Aether Revolt wincon was while you can, I bet it'll be viable in standard, potentially beyond too.

>>55102772
They seems to have "Tap, Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool." and it seems other things can sacrifice them for different effects. I guess they are the new Clues.

I love transform, specially when it's not for generic werevolves

>>55102750
Cool that transform is back, but it seems kinda weak because of how slow it is, especially for a rare.

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>Bolas dicked over Vraska

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They actually did it, the madmen!

Uniqueness rule is gone

>Monogreen Merfolk
>Monowhite vampires

The next Block is gonna be Return to Return to Ravnica, isn't it?

Why does wizards have such a boner for this mechanic? I'm sick of having to flip my cards around in their sleeves.

>>55103356
No, next block is return to Dominaria.

>>55103379
I question this as well. They've said that it's a nightmare for production logistics as well.

>>55103289
Uh... The fuck? Does this mean all my different Nissas, Chandras, and Gideons can be in play at once or had "Uniqueness" just been relegated to a subclause of Legendary?

>>55102750
This is cool.

>>55103289
Couldn't they just make it "Excet they are not Jace" for this card? What purpose will this serve in the future?

>>55103379
Well, they do have those stand-in cards they like to use for people without sleeves, so you can use that to avoid parts of it and keep it in a clear sleeve on the side. Still annoying, but less so.

>>55103395
Yeah, it's also odd since the card in the OP doesn't really do much that couldn't be achieved with a standard artifact. Even flavorwise it could have just been a sac to search for a basic land and make treasure tokens.

>>55103379
>>55103395
Despite the annoyance of having clear-sleeved non-side cards in my deck box, and dealing with the aspies that throw a fit because I didn't use the Official-Approved-Flip-Tracker-Proxy card, I like flip cards.

>>55103379
>>55103395
I'm fairly sure it's because people like double-faced cards and sets that contain them sell well.

>>55102750
I like this casrd but the graphic design of the land side is an abomination

>>55103448
They decided that OopsAllGideons deserves to be a real deck.

I personally don't mind

>>55103289
So blue gets creature generation now on top of control...
i forsee a ban or jace's defeat sideboard

>>55103549
Blue has gotten plenty of token generation in the past

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I AM TIMMY, HEAR ME ROAR

>>55103576
It seems really nice for what it is. 7/6 with trample for 6 and you can't really touch it outside of boardwipes

>>55103576
That can and will end games in limited.

>>55103576
>That
>Mythic

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>>55103596
It's basically the dumbest and safest beater, still betting it won't see play in anything in any format besides Gishark EDH and that's because the deck is starved for dinos.

>>55103611
Hexproof is enough to take it from rare to mythic, assuming they still balance for limited.

>>55103448
Making other planeswalkers beyond the few that were listed as such playable as commanders.

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Looks like RnD learned their lesson about vehicles.

>>55103604
It's not much more impressive than any other fatty. The fact that it's mythic is almost insulting.

>>55103658
Plated Crusher has the same abilities, costs one more green, and is a fucking uncommon

>>55103688
>no islandwalk

>>55103694
Because limited is a thing

>>55103712
cant be countered is a strong ability on a hexproof creature. One more form of removal down the drain.

>>55103712

Doesn't have can't be countered.

Also, is dino

>>55103549
What. This card is actively bad. It's best case is a 3 mana 2/2 looter il-kor with downside.

>>55103635
Eh, i could see it in some things. Like you said, it's the safest beater imaginable.

Personally, I'm kind of hoping we get enough smaller dinos with raptors and the like for a proper aggro deck. Currently the pterodactyl you posted is the cheapest we've got.

>>55103712
>thinks the difference between 6 and 7 mana is one turn
Please play the game before speaking.

>>55103611
This. So fucking boring.
Also, fuck the dinosaur subtype.

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>>55103759
Current dinos+priest.

>>55103773
What possible reason can you have to hate the dinosaur subtype?

>>55103635
PTEROSAURS ARE NOT DINOSAURS RRREEEEEEEEEE

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Modern Merfolk just got a wink and a nudge from Wizards.

>>55103688
I know they banned landwalk but fuck if a boat without islandwalk doesn't look dumb.

>>55103765
What are you even arguing anon? Can you even read?

>>55103792
Ripjax and goring feel like they should have their abilities swapped.

>>55103820
Does this even get played in Merfolk Modern? It's three mana, not a lord, and it's only a soft restriction.

>>55103792
look at these restrictive double or tripple colored mana and despair!

>>55103792
My inner timmy just came

>>55103797
They do everything beasts used to do and use their colors. They're the slivers from magic 2014 before r&d realised that they were the exact same thing.
But it's ok apparently because lol popculture.

>>55103417
My flip jace frenchlist can now have 7 jaces in play at once. Technically infinite with pirate jace and most likely 3 because only 3 are good enough for singleton legacy but still, a jtms a babby jace and a flip jace all at once is...
>Flip jace banned as a commander in french recently
Well fuck. But yes youre right, the card name is the determinant of "uniqueness" like any other legendary card. You can have 3 bolas', 4 Nissas, all the lilianas you like and 2 ajanis buffing them all.

>>55103863
>Monogreen should get double strike

Nah

>>55103792
>>55103889
The only thing that might make dinos remotely playable is the fact that Green is the best color for fixing and ramp. Of course, if the fixing and ramp is good enough to play these, it probably just means the UG Merfolk are gonna be straight busted.

>>55103792
The dinos are cool and all but really expensive, hope we get good mana fixing otherwise I'd just stick to RB raid aggro

>>55103727
>ships can walk over islands

Anon, this isn't Vinland Saga.

>>55103635
I actually really like that flavour text. Subtle and imaginative.

>>55103670
Commanders still have to be legendary CREATURES, so nope, still not happening.

>>55103448
I think this would have made more sense, but it's not quite as immediately obvious why not having a planeswalker type matters (as opposed to not being legendary). Plus it lets them print Planeswalker-specific cards that will interact with the copies.

>>55103835
Islandwalk on a boat doesn't make any goddamn sense though.

>>55103922
>Monogreen should get double strike
Just talking about the look. A raptor that let you draw when he takes a hit, and a triceratops that helps your creatures deal more damage when atatcking. Seems weird. As if the arts were swapped late-in.

>>55103955
They used it for Leviathans and Sea Serpents to represent them having a water route to swim through. Islandwalk has always been swimming,

>>55103881
Contests slot where Kira is used.
Question how it compares to Kira in different situations.

>>55103881
Probably replaces one or two GlassSpinners, depending on the list.

>>55103881
It's legendary, so you're only running 2 of. Some decks can chop off their 2 Smugglers Copter or Vendilion to run this along side Kira. The second point is that this can beatdown for 3-4 unblockable, while Kira and Vend are a bit more manageable.

I honestly don't know since I don't play Merfolk, but it seems like the kind of tempo the decks want. Also I wouldn't call a tax for 2 a soft restriction in modern unless you're playing against Titanshift.

>>55103975
Yes, underwater. A submarine with islandwalk makes sense. A boat that anyone can see approach shouldn't have it.

>>55103951
>Commanders still have to be legendary CREATURES

I didn't know Teferi, Temporal Archmage had creature in its typeline.

>>55103792
kek, the priest is the only one who looks good(at least to me), ripjaw looks very nice, i guess if dinosaurs get some good tribal stuff going he could be pretty nice.

>>55104050
Rules written on cards trump rules written in the rulebook.

C'mon.

>>55104050
Cards override rules

>>55104050
>I didn't know Teferi, Temporal Archmage had creature in its typeline.
The 2015 walkers are exceptions of this rule. They have that line of text to make them that much more exceptional from regular planeswalkers.

>>55104056
The point is that there is precedent for it, and as people already speculated when the cards were first leaked, the whole point to adding legendary to the typeline is to revise the rules so that every PW can be a commander now, instead of just the C14 ones.

Don't be obtuse.

>>55103951
>Commanders still have to be legendary CREATURES
I foresee this going out the window soon.

>>55103909
Nice. Guess I can finally make that Proliferating Superfriends deck and load it up with wraths and ramp. Pyromaster makes more planeswalkers, Nalaar is beefy as fuck, Torch ramps, and Firebrand twincasts my proliferate spells.

>>55104042
You're dumb. Boat cards like goblin flotilla have always had islandwalk, it's never been about swimming under the water. Do you think forestwalk is going under the forest? Plains walk is going under a plains? Swamp walk is going under a swamp? I can at least see mountain walk as going through a mountain...

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>>55102750

Finally a set I can relate to.

>>55104081
They could just have changed the Commander rules so that Commanders could only be legendary creatures or planeswalkers though. The change as it looks now does not make any sense unless they're planning on making non-legendary planeswalkers.

>>55104081
I doubt it. The reason for adding legendary to the typeline is probably just to unify the legendary rules and fix the awkwardness of the planeswalker uniqueness rule.

>>55104114
You mean like the tokens this Jace makes?

>>55104114
>The change as it looks now does not make any sense unless they're planning on making non-legendary planeswalkers.

The new jace literally does that.

>>55104114
>non-legendary planeswalkers

Pull that fucking trigger Wizards! Either scrap your mythic-only card type or spread 'em out!

>>55104126
I'm not on the "this means commander changes" side of this debate, but I do think that they COULD have just had the Jace say "except the illusions are not Jaces".

>>55104100
>it's never been about swimming under the water
Yes, it has.

>Goblin Flotilla
The flavor being that it's a really small boat that sneaks in behind enemy lines.

>Forestwalk
>Swampwalk
>Mountainwalk
All about being able to skillfully traverse those environments while remaining hidden.

>Plains walk is going under a plains?
No one knows what planeswalk is supposed to be, which is why it barely ever appeared on any cards.

>>55104142
Yes, but it's also something that could have been done previously by simply making the card say "except those copies aren't Jace."

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RIP

>>55104237
Are we going for another destroyed plane?

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>>55104237
Oh Baby

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>>55104237
Hawt

>>55104230
Unless there's an additional reason for doing it another way.

You know, like adding legendary to the typeline in order to establish PWs as commanders, even if they don't have the C14 line of rules text.

>>55104288
I think the problem with this notion is that the commander rules still need to be changed if they're going to allow legendary non-creatures to be commanders, and if those rules are going to be changed why do they have to change to "Legendary creatures and legendary planeswalkers", when they could just be changed to "Legendary creatures and planeswalkers"?

>>55104288
See >>55104114

>>55104237
So the notmayans are the source of the end of their world? Could be enat if the gatewatch went against the vampires because muh native repression but changed sides later on when they realise how crazy they are with their sun bullshit.

>>55104288
>You know, like adding legendary to the typeline in order to establish PWs as commanders, even if they don't have the C14 line of rules text.
This sounds like a terrible idea, even for WOTC. Theyve been trying to get it right (c14, flip walkers) but just blanket rules change would fuck up edh until the next ban announcement. Jtms as a commander? Or gatecrash gideon(worldfire as a commander)? Its a cardtype that wasnt designed as a commander, it would be best to leave it as is. Maybe they will start printing more commander PW in things like conspiracy and commander sets.

>>55104390
I assumed it was the vampires/pirates

Given the vampire are conquistadors, it makes way more sense to look at them searching for the"immortal sun"

>>55102750
Love that background template!!
I hope I can one day steal it for my own card game.

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N-NANI??

>>55104411
>but just blanket rules change would fuck up edh until the next ban announcement
Then don't change the Commander rules until the next ban announcement. Easy.

>amazing reprint you didn't see coming
BARON SENGIR CONFIRMED

>>55104212
War barge, meandering tower shell, fuck off faggot with your stupid head canons for mechanics

>>55104390
The gatewatch doesn't even appear in the set as far as we know, only Jace

Are you even paying any attention

>>55104496
It's someone whining about "muh native repression". No shit they aren't following the game and just want to complain.

>>55104252
Mayans were apocalypse-fixated peoples. The vast cities and constructs found in South America are from them; think a death cult the size of a continent. They've just added some Dinosaur flavour to this (the meteor) and called it a day.
I don't think we'll see Ixalan destroyed; rather, there is something on the plane that traps planeswalkers there, and it needs to be destroyed. The Mayans probably think that destroying it destroys their plane.

Every plane is written with a "return" clause; when Wizards leaves, they know pretty much how it'll be when they come back, to make world building easier the next time around (and to prevent Mirrodin/Scars errors from happening again).

>>55103289
What happens if you play this with Doubling Season on the field? Do you just get infinite Jaces?

>>55104477
Should cost RR instead.

>>55104535
As many fuckbois as you need, anon

>>55104535
Yup

>>55104485
That'd be neat.

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>>55104485
>Baron Sengir in a named set with grixis pirates

>>55103289
Really? Now some of my planeswalker won't say Legendary on them while all my future ones will? Why not just change the planeswalker uniqueness rule to work like legendary? Or can they not do that?

>>55104496
Thougth they were supposed to show up in the second part.
>>55104517
Not whining mate, just thought that it would be fun to play around tropes instead of jumping right into it.

>>55104489
>stupid head canons for mechanics
It's literally WotC's explanation for what landwalk is supposed to represent.

>>55104212
Goats aren't specially stealthy mate, they're just extremely skilled with climbing. Hence why they all have mountainwalk.
Both explanation are valid.
Case of landwalk appears because the cretaure is stealthy and/or especially well-adapted to the environment.

>>55104212
>No one knows what planeswalk is supposed to be, which is why it barely ever appeared on any cards.
Pretty sure he was talking about the white version of landwalking.

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>>55104632
Which is obviously what he was talking about as well.

>>55104477
>[Everybody Walk The Dinosaur!]!

>>55103549
It's one of the worst planeswalkers ever seen.
If there's a doubling season or something in the set, ok, it's a combo, but outside of that it's nothing.

>>55104671
I think Plainswalk basically refers to the ability to run really fast on a grassland, which is why it's only on an Antelope and they never use it because that's really poor flavor.

>>55104719
You're a retard. You know nothing about the playing environment it'll be in. It's far too early to judge that card

>>55104671
>Great wall
Just gonna take a moment and appreciate how retarded this enchantments existence is. Of the 5 creatures with plainswalking in their rulestext, 1 is in an unset and 1 gets rid of all plainswalking. 3 creatures exist with plainswalking naturally. There is an enchantment that gives all white creatures plainswalking that this completely nullifies but thats a white enchantment itself so your creatures get to be unblockable too.

>>55104759
Theres also a 3/1 for 5 in legends and a 2/1 chicken from ptk. The antelope had the upside of color denial if you ever forced it through so that was a plus

>>55102750
That frame is almost as obnoxious as the Invocations.

>>55103792
>This is bad Ob.
>And this is Tib (hey), the inbred
>I said. and this is Tib the inbred.
>And for our special guest appearing tonight, Gishath the Dinosaur
>"Did you know I was made because the Design team didn't want a plane full of Lizards?"

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>>55104809
>Forgetting the gobbos

>>55104819
At least you can read the text on it

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>>55104671
>>55104759
>>55104809
Its obviously protection from being attacked by Planeswalkers.

>>55102772
Read the card. Know the card.

>>55103417
>>55104564
They'll errata the oracle text on the old walkers.

>>55104845
>lizards
Shouldn't they be birds?

>>55104935
Why do you reply to a 2.5 hour post to say something which SIX people have already said before and the original poster of the post has already acknowledged those posts

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How do you guys like the look of the dinos? I love that they went with feathers.

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>>55104975

>>55104975
>>55104992
They're alright, though something strikes me as off about them so far. Maybe it's just the posing?

>>55104975
people still going with the feathered dinos meme?

>>55103576
Aw a plated crusher had a baby with a terrace stomper.

>>55104759
>it's only on an Antelope
It isn't. It shows up on more cards than that, though not nearly enough to justify Great Wall's existence.

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>>55104237
>combine with furnace of wrath and a dictate of the twin gods
>mfw everyone takes 80 damage

>>55104237
Into ashling it goes

>>55104975
>>55104992
Good enough for me, I just wanted Dinosaurs.

>>55105052
Feathered therapods make sense and I'm used to them, seeing feathered Ceratops and Sauropods feels weird though.

>>55105074
Only downside is this doesn't proc with Saskia (her ability is Damage to Player only, not Damage to creatures)

That said it is kind of ridiculous.

All it needs is Replicate.

>>55105315
Think you mean Radiate.

>>55105074
>Boros Reckoner
>Hornet Nest

>>55105346
No I mean Replicate...I think.

...Would Replicate mean the 80 damage would proc several times?

>>55105378
>>Boros Reckoner
Now it will proc with Saskia!

>Bounce Saskia to target two people.
>Drop the Meteor with Reckoner, Furnace and Dictate on the battlefield
>Either 80 Damage split two ways or 160 damage on one person.

>>55105391
Radiate would blow up every land and put as many 80s on the stack as there were lands.

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>>55103576
Meh.

>>55105449
That thing costs 7 and can get countered.

>>55105442
And you could still use it with Saskia Reckoner!

>>55105479
Or with Reckoner+Infinite Reflections
>"REFLECTOR BEAM! HASSOU!"

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Will vamps have a chance this standard season?

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>>55105573
Don't forget to double one of those edicts.

>>55105655
Cool

>>55105695
You mean Dictate?

Wouldn't two Mirrors be a good idea?

Then you could Copy Furnace with one and Dictate with the other.

320 damage per land until end of turn.

Bounce this off the shieldwall of Boros Reckoners made with Infinite Reflections and you have a winner.

And say goodby to pretty much anyone.

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>>55105424
Saskia only triggers off combat damage

>>55105795
Hang on a minute...Doesn't Damage you bounce off Reckoner count as combat damage because when you deal Damage to it, it deals that much damage to target creature or player.

>>55103379
They literally said they would make them evergreen if it wasnt so logistically taxing.

>>55103905
Beast is a generic as fuck subtype they just throw animals into they dont want to make types for.

Cat, Bird, Hound,bear like all other animal tribal could just be beast

>>55105826
No. When creatures fight they also don't deal combat damage. Combat damage is from creatures smashing creatures or players.

>>55105826
No. Combat damage is damage you do in combat. You know, that phase where you declare attackers and stuff.

Attackers hitting people is combat damage. Not abilities and shit.

>>55105882
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

Boros Reflector wouldn't work in Saskia anyway because Infinite Reflections is Blue.

>>55103792
Ripjaw is going to be fucking good
Defensive stats that generate card advantage when it blocks
also isn't small so you need an activated push to kill it and if they use damage removal that means you go up on cards
jam 2 in a midrange deck and you're golden

>>55104411
No card types were designed as commanders.

It was a fan format wotc latched onto.

>>55105863
Also for their weird fantasy monsters that don't correspond to a specific real-world animal, like baloths.

>>55105794
>And say goodby to pretty much anyone.
You really can't get mad at someone that does something that ridiculous.
Heck, I'd probably give you one of my yet to be made 10↑10 tokens if you manage to pull that off.

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>>55105863
It's also a type they throw on more monstrous versions of normally small creature types.

>>55105927
True. Maro called it a "catch all" type. It, like construct is used when they dont have anything better to use.

>>55105940
I feel like Lizard Beast would have sufficed for most Dinosaurs

>>55105968
That's what they used to be before they brought the dinosaur type back.

>>55104009
This card is better than Kira against Abrupt Decay, and when you opponent has abilities to easily remove Kira's shield.

I think Kopala will see a moderate amount of play in Fish.

I love the look of these new vampires, pretty fucking stoked to play them. Hope they're good, they really feel like they need a lord though
Sunbird's Invocation is crazy timmy shit but I like it
I like Deeproot Champion but it's probably not stellar

>>55104975
Feathers are good, but the way they're used on the triceratops, pterosaur and t-rex look kinda moronic.

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>>55105981
>tfw Wizards is killing Beast synergy

>>55105932
>You really can't get mad at someone that does something that ridiculous.
It is pretty much the finisher for Getter One.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To34rvyClH4

Also I wasn't implying anyone would be mad about this.

The tactical application of 320 damage to your opponent for every land they have until end of turn is pretty funny.

Take a third Mirage Mirror and you could double that again by copying Radiate, making it 640 damage/Land until end of turn.

...What am I doing with my life?

>>55106023
it looks cool, although it probably wouldn't be accurate. Biggers dinosaurs definitely wouldn't have needed feathers unless they wanted to die of heat exhaustion

But it's a fantasy world, so fuck it

>a 4CMC 5/5 is a mthic

TOP

>>55105968
With tribes its half about support and half about cache.

This was a tribal block so they needed to have a common tribe for the dinos, and "Dinosaur" just is cooler than "Lizard'

Like if there was real Hound or Snake tribal the Jackal/Naga thing wouldnt have happened.

>>55103792
>>55103792
Gishath's looking really good. Shame that most dinos are underwhelming af. I might still build the deck cause why not.

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>transform
>vehicles
>dinosaur tribal
>all in one set

Honestly, this set will probably be awful in the long run, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't look rad as hell.

>>55106169
I'm tentatively excited to see where lower rarities of Dinos go and,what's up with the UG merfolk, but that's about it.

>>55105968
>Lizard
>would have sufficed for most Dinosaurs
top kek

>>55106208
I'm just looking at my 640 damage/Land combo reflected off a a bunch of creatures copying Boros Reckoner with Infinite Reflections and wondering what happened.

The trick will be keeping things intact and getting it all set up in order to have 13 mana handy for when you drop this nonsense

>>55106312
And I just realised Mycosynth Lattice+Darksteel Forge will be perfect for keeping the combo alive.

>WGR Dinosaurs
>RBU Pirates
>UG Merfolk
>WB Vampires

Any more tribes? We looking at shards and enemy pairs in this set?

>>55104975
The sauropods should have quills instead of feathers. "Hurr durr it's new science" is a shit excuse when you don't follow it toroughly.

>>55106407
Only those four. If you look you'll notice that all four factions are evenly divided among the five colors.

This was the original plan for Khans of Tarkir which was later scrapped and, obviously, pushed forward to Ixalan instead.

>>55106045
He's pretty cool. I would have really liked more beast tribal. Such a fucking waste.

>>55106571
I'm fine with those four, and we'll get some knights and clerics out of it too. Probably shamans and warriors too.

If the GU Merfolk are fun maybe I add the Shadowmoore Selkies in since I'd love an excuse to use them. Also excited for more WB vampires, even though I know I won't get the one drop hybrid I'd like. Pirates might just make me angry they didn't make them rogues, but we'll see.

>>55106860
When's the last time we got anything resembling beast tribal? Onslaught? Garruk themed cards/decks? I think they went the way of squirrels.

>>55107252
Onslaught and Alara.

>>55107524
Was that "beast" or 5 or more power like the Temur mechanics?

>>55105968
Bird Lizard

>>55106045
Kavus we're an uninteresting tribe and beast is super generic.

>>55107594
I think it was both. Also, all the big creatures were beasts. I'll check.

>>55103576
>this card
>a mythic

Literal cancer

>>55103792
>all rares and mythics

Meanwhile, everything in commons will be shit like the inevitable 2/4 reach brontosaur for 3G

>>55103289
Source on the rules change?

>>55107594
>>55107663
All "5 more". But they were all beasts, and everything shitting tokens was also shitting beasts. The only cards when that isn't the case are a few RG one, but they're probbaly linked to Jund.

>>55105449
>>55103576
>take an uncommon
>add "can't be countered" and reduce cost by one
>call it a mythic

How fucking lazy can you be?

>>55107729
Way down at the bottom of here:

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/ixalan-mechanics

Which, I also note, was updated at some point to tell half this thread to shut the fuck up.

>>55106470
Pretty sure they went with feathers also to match the Aztec aesthetic of the Sun Empire. They're themtically related to the concept of the feathered serpent.

>>55107783
But anon, it's a dinosaur. That makes it AWESOME. Just check Twitter, Reddit and all the other funny places.

>>55103576
If anything this is a good thing. I mean, we wouldn't want the chase cards at mythic would we?

>>55107783
I mean, it is inevitable that some cards will end up feeling like repeats of already existing cards, and it's also inevitable that some of those cards will be strictly better or worse versions of already existing cards, but I agree that it shouldn't have been a mythic.

I could have seen it being a rare, but it lacks the oomph a mythic requires.

>>55107965
People aren't upset because the card isn't good enough but because it isn't exiting enough.

>>55108000
It is literally the definition of a Timmy card, a big honking dinosaur. It is tremendously exciting for the audience it is shooting for:
>>55107809

The kind of people who get excited about big dinosaurs overlap with the kind of people who want to avoid reading lots of card text.

>>55108038
>It is tremendously exciting for the audience it is shooting for
Ah yes, the good old audience-that-doesn't-know-better.

>>55103792
HOLY shit that Priest card

I am guessing that is going to be a pricy card.

>>55108038
It isn't even that exciting as a Timmy card. Sure, it's efficient, but it's not the biggest dinosaur in the set. Heck, even the artwork nakes it look pretty tiny.

It could have easily been a rare, or at least been given more epic art and flavor to make it seem more important than it was.

Right now, it's a dinosaur guard dog. An efficient one, but that's still what it comes across as.

>>55108038
a good timmy card is not a creature plastered in keywords. Sneak Attack is a good timmy card, the Ur Dragon is a good timmy card, even Gishath is a good timmy card. That dino is boring af.

-timmy player

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>+1 mana for 1 toughness.
Having 4 of these and the Mardu version might be funny with a bunch of small reanimating creatures.

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>>55105655
>mfw vampires are busted as fuck
Amonkhet and Kaladesh were there solely to stop some sort of amazing synergy between Innistrad vampires and conquistampires

>>55102798
vampires conquistadors are badass so it's ok

>>55104992
based dinos

>>55108112
>1 mana 1/1 maybe gain 2 life on upkeep but have to reveal cards
>5 mana tutor
Forgoing your turn 5-6 just to draw a specific card out of your deck can get be really painful.
Sure the tutor let's you drop some pretty nasty stuff on turn 6 like the uncounterable green one or the big red one, but you're still skipping a whole turn just to make sure you have that card in your hand.
Unless there's some good ramp in this set I wouldn't count on it.

>>55102846

It's not a terrible idea, but as someone that ran a Mechanized Production/Inspiring Statuary clue deck a while ago, I have two words for you: Lost Legacy. Yes not every deck will run it because not all of them are black but the point is you need a plan B, and without the Eldrazi as a ramp target there's no obvious plan B in Standard.

>>55108431
I think he's more excited on the fact that the one drop can keep you alive against aggressive decks so you can get to the late game and actually get to cast the big hulking Dino's.

The tutor is just gravy.

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>>55108531
You can play the long game if your first wincon is Lost Legacy-ed

>>55108361
If Wizards wanted us to feel bad about vamquistadors they wouldn't make them so cool. Besides, SJWs only care about humans so Merfolk are okay to kill, and the "natives" have dinosaur gods to fight for them.

It'd be like feeling bad that Bant attacked Jund.

>>55108431
Unless we get some small dinos, it's a good one drop, and nice for stalled games. But yeah, turn 5 and 10-12 mana for a dino is a lot.

>>55108613

To be fair, with Inspiring Statuary, it does open up some interesting options for black fatty drops, but you're still looking at paying at least 2 or 3 for them. Razaketh is the biggest I can find at 8/8, but even with Inspiring Statuary you're looking at BBB at the very least.

>>55103965
>raptor that lets you draw when hit
Clever girl...

Vampire Dinosaur when?

>>55103235

I read that as "Vraska beeline'd on the compass path rather than finding safer routes and got punished for it" rather than Bolas actively screwing her over.

Do all the tribe have confirmed lords yet or is WOTC still on merfolks' dick?

>>55109385
No. I'm guessing we'll see a +1/+1 lord for pirates, but unless the vampire lord is two colors the other tribes won't get a good lord for 3 mana or less.

>>55109634
>No.
Wut? Pirates and dinosaurs already got their lords revealed.

>>55109687
Guess I was thinking old school +1/+1 and/or ABILITY lords or something. Was the pirate lord from the low res spoilers?

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>>55109763
Low res spoiler has been made fully public:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/behind-scenes-alleged-ixalan-card-theft-2017-08-28

>>55105655
OH BABY
I wanted to build pirates but seeing the non blurry version of this guy has converted me.

>>55103792
>Enrage
Doesn't hearthstone use the same keyword for the same thing?

>>55109923
Similar, but not quite. The hearth stone version is pretty much a binary to if its damaged or not, since health rolls over between turns. The MtG one is more about repeated triggers that help out whenever it fights.

They're similar in flavor, but preform ratger different functions.

>>55109827
Some of those are pretty disappointing, but mini Sun Titan is cute. I wonder if we'll get a good vampire lord.

>>55110036
I was thinking of gurubashi berserker. Its ability is identical to a mtg 'enrage' but not labeled enrage in hearthstone.

>>55108657

.... Errr that's the most silly SJW lore I have ever heard.

Really, you think that people don't think about how sapient humanoids might as well be humans in terms of ethics and such?

.... Also, going back to Zendikar to enjoy my tribal south American Vampires that WotC didn't really address how the hell their culture formed, because fuck those weeds.

>>55103289
I really like this design.

>>55109827
>In this case, we were notified well before the sheets became public that someone was posting them online.
Wait. If somebody was posting them online already, wouldn't that mean they became aware of them AFTER they became public? Were they posting them somewhere private, like the dark web or something? That seems kinda wacky.

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>>55109827
Waifuworthy.

>>55110229
Most likely posted them in some auctions/asked people if they wanted to buy a sheet.

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>>55109827
Fuck, would have loved this as rogue for my Marchesa.

>>55110361
If only she was one mana cheaper or vampires had better ETB. Hoping to give more toys to my Edgar to play with.

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>Beasts used to be GRW
>Dinosaurs basically are/do the same thing and are GRW
>Rogues used to be URG
>Pirates basically are/do the same thing and are URG

This really rustle my jimmies.

>>55110476
>this+Verdurous Gearhulk putting counters on all your other creatures

>>55110479
Yeah. But the art seems nice, it's been a while since i've loved some MTG art. I'll need to see it in bigger res to be sure tho.

>>55110543
>URG
Green rogues and pirates?

Some of us are glad we can dust off our Masques pirates.

Unironically excited for green merfolk

>>55110647
URB*
And pirates ARE rogues. Dissociating the two make no sense. Kinda like if they added a subtype ghost even thought we already have spirits and yes i know the subtype pirate is old as fuck but that doesn't make it relevant gameplay-wise.

>>55103792
>7 cost 3/3 do nothing
dies to Open Fire

>>55110361
Yes

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>>55110476
>this on Ezuri

>>55110808
even better. Abrade being the most popular red removal right now, anything that is an artifact, or has 3 toughness is unplayable, unless it is really cheap, or affects the board.

>>55110742
They basically seems to be elves with a watery side. Kinda lazy.

>>55109634
They didn't reveal the WB gold card for some reason. Confirmed to be a vampire. Hoping it's a lord

>>55110813
Funny how the promo art is so fucking ugly in comparison.

>>55110807
Probably because they can justify multiple cultures and situations where pirates can exist, like sea ships AND sky ships., without triggering spergs. They get the flavor bonus for this set and get to put Pirate on the shelf for the next adventure/skyship/sea plane they go to.

I think they should be rogues too. Why won't Wizards give us more rogue tribal.

>>55110936
Isn't that always the case for promo girlies? Ugin's Ruthless Ripper is the only improvement I can think of over a standard printing.

>>55110936
That's been a lot of promos for many a long year.

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>>55103576
Mfw I'm a craw wurm and this card personally offends me.

>>55103576
>>55111075
>Rarity doesnt mean power

>>55110887
Real talk, what was ever really Blue about merfolk, aside from the fact that they lived underwater? A lot of the time they seem cruel enough to be Black or as dumb and tribalistic as any Green human.

At best they're known for being ocean explorers, but looking at stuff isn't exactly heavily blue.

>>55110157
>Really, you think that people don't think about how sapient humanoids might as well be humans in terms of ethics and such?
SJWs, at least american middle class white girls who whine in their tumblr/twitter about shit they don't know anything about. Only care about african-americans and arab muslims. They have activelly attacked and accused indians, asians, hispanics and actual africans of being "white supremacists" because they refuse to bow down to the "every POC is an opressed underdog" narrative.

As of right now, SJW is code for "far left american identity politics". And I doubt they'd care about real life merfolk if they wanted dignity and fredom instead of gibs and pity.

>>55111089
no one said that for magic and i personally hear people that say "it's pretty shit but it's ok bcuz common xD". anyway, when did that trend start?

>>55111089
It does since WOTC designs every set around limited. Also $$$

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Shit, here come the shitty vamps

>>55110479
Edgar is already super retarded, I had to actually remove some tech to make him playable in 70% tables.
If he had access to counterspells he'd be on the same level as Jeleva and Zur.

>>55111197
>Can't even get Olivia's Dragon

Why

>>55111197
>black grizzly bear at common
I'm just glad it can block.

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>>55104975
>I love that they went with feathers.

>>55111250
>he doesn't like how the design went with these dinos
lol i bet you're an asshurt scalyfag

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WHY ARE THERE SO MANY HIGH COST CARDS AT MYTHIC?

>>55111197
>black bear
Better than costing 2B or being a 2/1.

>>55111112
Curiosity. Being information dealers/thieves and archivists. Lorwyn Merfolk were traders and storyteller and, right? I assume the millfolk have strong mental discipline to fuck with other people's minds.

But otherwise yeah they don't always line up perfectly. They're more like how the wildlife creatures are colored after the place they live.

>>55111266
I'm sorry I went through puberty before 2010.
Jurassic Park was huge in my childhood, and giant fucking almost-dragons will always be cooler than faggot rainbow megabirds.
The feathers aren't even correct scientifically.

>>55111273
Because nu-mythic means it's a big fat beat-stick you flagellate your opponent with.

>>55111331
Funny, you sound like you're still going through puberty.

>>55111348
Lmao XDDD

>>55111331
>The feathers aren't even correct scientifically.
I know, it angers me that this fantasy game is scientifically incorrect.

>>55111313
Yeah. I guess my point is more that Merfolks have always been a bit loose when it comes to color identity, so I don't really mind the Green here.

>>55111331
>Jurassic Park was huge in my childhood
so you're a scalyfag
>almost-dragons will always be cooler than faggot rainbow megabirds
and you're mad.
well, once you stop seeing it as a desecration of your childhood memories you'll see that their design is on point with what they represent and they're feathery enough without looking any less badass.

>>55111197
Could at least had Lifelink.

>>55111366
I'm not mad about it being incorrect. There are vampires and merfolk and what the fuck ever else in the same set.
I'm annoyed that the bullshit "OMG feathered T-Rex" phase had an influence on the design of the setting. The fetish for sensationalism and iconoclasm in the pop-culture representation of science is just so irritating.

>>55111400
>so you're a scalyfag
Keep projecting furfag.

>>55111424
>common
>not being bad
oy vey

>>55111439
feathered dinos fit the design of this set and the faction which they belong so i would say you're just butthurt over how they didn't bring you scaly dinos

>>55111273
You need to open aprox 9 boosters to get a mythic.
You need to open aprox 110 boosters to get a specific mythic.
If all mythics were good, SCG, CFB and Card Kingdom wouldn't have to open boosters like crack addicksts searching their fix to appease the demand for the only good card in the set.

Hell you may even be able to trade the mythic you got at pre-release for the one you actually want.

That can't be allowed to happen, right?

>>55111441
Ok, I'll give you that. Hoping for an uncommon Chief of the Edge-type dude and I shall be set

>>55111439
Probably has more to do with Aztecs and feathered serpents. Honeslty, feathered dinosaurs fit quite naturally into fantasy South American settings for that reason

>>55111441
Two common cards have been the biggest additions to Living End in a while. And that's just Amonkhet and HoD.

>>55111313
I'd like her more as a Child of Night functional reprint.
>>55111366
If you're gonna be "lel it's science" at least do it right. Ceratopsians didn't have feathers, they had quills. And t-rex were so large their feathers would look like our body hair.

>>55111512
but it's not "lel it's science". they took inspiration over the feathered serpent and feathered dinos concept and overlaped them to give birth to ixalan bright-coloured dinos.

>>55103863
>A green card gives cards
>a white one gives combat advantage
>this is wrong to anon
You are a dumb motherfucker

>>55111512
>I'd like her more as a Child of Night functional reprint.
I agree, but we know they'll add limited fodder, and at least the vampire is efficient. Also, maybe we still get a reprint, or improvement. Not holding my breath, but I've always wanted more keyword tribal, and an "all lifelink creatures get" or "when you gain life your vampires gain" vampire at 2 or 3.

>>55111371
Oh I'm looking forward to it.

>>55111477
But that would be a cynical assessment of the game that we ALL KNOW was made exclusively for our enjoyment and not to trick children and addicts into buying boosters.

Obviously you're wrong, because Magic is my favorite thing and justifying my investment involves defending it regardless of logic or reason.

>>55111168

Oh man, more BS lore.

You really prove something by creating a definition of a term that nobody on this thread uses.

>>55111837
Pls go back to /leftypol/, you're in the wrong chan.

>>55110543
Beast is a wastebasket taxon. The only things that should be Beasts are the completely made up things and the 'it's like an actual creature, but FREAKY' where it's an additive rather than by itself.
Pangolins do not deserve their fate in the wastebasket.

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>>55102750
This transform shit can stop any day now. It was literally the only thing wrong with original Innistrad and yet somehow became the only thing that they won't stop using.

Do real human people who play paper MtG actually like transform? I find it inoffensive or kinda neat in digital versions, but it's hideously obnoxious to play in paper. The whole reason I keep my cards in sleeves in the first place is so they don't get fucked up. Taking them out and handling them AT LEAST TWICE each time I play them is just retarded.

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>>55112002
Here you go bro.

>>55112002
Grab the "OFFICIAL PROXY CARD", mark it, put it in the same sleeve as the rest of your deck.
Put your real copies off to the side, in transparent back sleeves.
When you play a transformer, put the OPC off to the side and put your transformer on the stack / in play / wherever the fuck. When it moves to a hidden zone (library, hand, etc), put the transformer off to the side and put the OPC in.

It's not hard, retardo.

>>55112002
I have no problem with them as a whole, but they need an actual reason to exist on the plane. They were fine on Innistrad because of werewolves, and they worked well for other hidden monsters or possessed people.

For this block though? Not sure how necessary it is. The list that got spoiled seems super short, with maybe a dozen cards total, and the only one we've seen is an artifact that makes treasure and gives you a land. They couldn't have made that a tutor effect? I doubt anything else is going to fit the flavor well either. At best we'll get a ghost pirate that returns transformed when it dies, but that's not hard to put into normal rules either.

Honestly it just feels out of place unless it's just there for some dumb cycle of lands.

>>55111331
Jurassic Park was huge in my childhood as well. 4th, 5th grade or so? Fucking loved that book and movie.
Feathered dinosaurs are cool. The ones in Ixalan are silly, but eh, fantasy dinosaurs (I'm more annoyed they called a pterosaur a dinosaur than the way they feathered shit)
Scaled dinosaurs are also still cool, even if some weren't. Nothing wrong with liking them.
Unfortunately, the person you were replying to has a point, but that need not be the case. Let go of the anger, accept that others like things you do not. That does not make them wrong. That does not make you wrong. Some people think feathers are cooler. Others think scales are cooler. And that's okay.

>>55112002
Just use two of each card and use one as a "transform token" so you don't mess them up
.

>>55112054
Ah yes, having to purchase and mar product in order to play with the cards you already own is good.

>>55112505
They're about ten cents per, you poorfag.

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>>55103576
>rarity doesn't mean power

>>55112505
Do you have some land and a sharpie?

>>55103289

Congrats, the most cancerous card type in the game just became even more cancerous. Now you can have three Jaces and four Gideons in play at the same time no problem.

>>55112505
>>55112700

Nah, I'm with him. Transform is annoying as fuck to play with when you don't want to pull the card out of the sleeve all the time. Really cool idea, really annoying to actually play with.

The only good way to deal with it is to have an extra copy that's sleeved the other way up in a different colored sleeve and use that as a marker, but buying an extra copy of the $100 Flip-Jace just for that shit is a little bit awkward.

And no, nobody uses the shit methods you suggested because they look like trash.

>>55106169

The cards look dull as hell, it's only the idea that's rad.

Serious question: why the fuck are there zero saucy pirate wenches? You go through the trouble of creating a female-only pirate faction and then don't make even ONE of the fem-pirates sexy? Are you even awake there, WotC? Is Jesus at the wheel?

>>55112761
>They look like trash
>The shitty proxy designed alley to indicate when you drew a transform card looks like a shitty proxy

You don't say. Good thing you'll be putting it to the side as soon as you play it, and then you can simply put your transform card in a clear sleeve.

It isn't a difficult problem to solve if you aren't autistic.

>>55112814
>female-only pirate faction and then don't make even ONE of the fem-pirates sexy
it's not like they're catering to some crowd...

>>55112814
Firstly, we've already seen several male pirates. Secondly, we've only really seen the rares so far.

>>55112892
>why are none of the female pirates sexy
>Firstly, we've already seen several male pirates

Kindly read the post next time before you respond to it, instead of trying to guess what it said.

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>>55112814
Daring Saboteur is cute as heck though

>>55112939

Looks like a boy to be honest.

>>55112913

>>55112814
>You go through the trouble of creating a female-only pirate faction


(you) too

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>>55112949
Yes, and?
But really, no she doesn't. Look at those big expressive eyes and cute chin. Very feminine.

>>55112814
Because showing man chest is allowed, but female chest is a sin and sexist and evil and always 100% a man's stupid idea.

>>55112761
This.
>>55112872
Play the proxy card. Throw it to the side. Enjoy.

>>55112505
They come in the boosters you cunt. If you're buying a bunch of boosters, you will get more checklist cards than you will DFC's to use them with. If you're buying singles, you can buy a checklist card for a couple extra cents. If you're drafting, you can and will have them lying around. If you're playing casual, you can use whatever the fuck you want to represent the card. I can't even imagine a problem where having the checklist card is actually any kind of problem

>>55112951

Yes? There is an all-female pirate faction in Ixalan. What is your point?

I didn't say all pirates are female. I said there is a faction of pirates that are entirely female. You understand the difference, right?

>>55112975

REALLY looks like a boy to me. Probably a sexy boy in the eyes of a gay, but a boy nevertheless.

>>55112975
Thats a shota you dumb bitch.

>>55113041
What's wrong with an unblockable trap pirate sneaking into your quarters in the middle of the night to plunder your booty?

>>55112939
Who is this faggot?

>>55113102

Not inherently anything, I'd just like a good old-fashioned lusty wench with tits like cannonballs and a cleavage down to her navel.

>>55113133
Go look at some smut then

>>55113162

Not making a good sales pitch, MaRo.

>>55112814
Women being attractive is a war crime unless we happen to have one of the three hot female artists being directed by the hot female art director, then we can have hot girls in cards because attractive women don't think paper and ink affect their chances of getting laid.

>>55112975
Literally Harry Potter and the Pirate's Loot.

>>55113249
What?

Have they revealed what old cards are now dinosaurs?

>>55113348
Yes. For instance, Gitaxian Probe is now a Dinosaur Sorcery.

>>55113367
Wonderful to hear they're bringing Tribal back.

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At long last, his time has come.

>>55113367
>not a pirate sorcery
Fucking dropped

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>>55113249
?

>>55112690
Rarity has meant power since Alpha. Get over it.

Mythics were a mistake though.

>>55111366
>I don't like the feathers
>LOL they are there because of science dumbfuck
>No the science part is not even right
>ITS JUST FANTASY DUDE CHILL

Did you even read the entire convo or did you just want some (You)s?

>>55104390
Seem a lot more !notInca to me friend

>>55111170
read new world order, also mark rosewater says it often on his blog

>>55114349
>expecting /pol/tards to be historically literate
a common mistake

>>55102750
Don't Gold tokens do literally the same thing?

>>55115106
Except these have to tap as part of their cost, meaning they are a weakened version of Gold tokens that can't be used with improvise and are shut down by cards like manglehorn.

This is standard anon we don't get good cards here, just EDH creatures and draft cards.

>>55110807
Kinda like how there's no reason for Wizards and Shamans to be distinct from each other other than flavor, how Soldiers could just as well be Warriors, how there's no reason for Jackals to not still be Hounds, and how there's no reason for Elementals, Spirits, Avatars and Incarnations to be separate things when what is what is entirely different depending on the world we visit.

Creature types in this game is and always have been a crapshoot.

>>55105918
>Defensive stats that generate card advantage when it blocks
Wanna know how I know you're not a good player?

>>55111196
There was a period around Time Spiral block where they actually took conscious steps towards making it so that tournament decks in Standard weren't just a pile of rares. I remember Foresythe posting an article on the mothership at the time which proudly compared a deck from one or two seasons earlier which was pretty much all rares to a then current deck which was about 33% commons, 33% uncommons, and 33% rares and claimed this was a great success on their part.

Then they silently moved away from it. Most likely because they realized that the crisis the game faced at the time didn't actually have anything to do with that.

>>55111366
Given that the rationale behind giving the dinos on Ixalan feathers was that it is scientifically correct, it is irksome for some that they then decided to do them scientifically incorrect anyway.

>>55112002
Just put the transform cards in clear sleeves and have a proxy card in your deck jesus christ it isn't difficult.