>PC asks for a buster sword Would you give it to him?

>>55101291
I don't have the money for that.

I would give it under the condition the player agrees to just use greatsword stats for it

>>55101291
No and I also kick him out for being such an obnoxious faggot

>>55101291
"How about we just use a 15 pounds weapon template for this?"

Yes, but unless this is exalted or you are a superhero you can't lift it.

>>55101291
Sure, just grab Great Knife for a T3 ARM and have fun.

>>55101291
Depends on the genre of the game. I'm not allergic to the "massive sword" aesthetic (I love me some Dark Souls), but if the PCs are playing agents of the French Resistance in Nazi-occupied France then the answer will inevitably be "No".

>>55101363
>agents of the French Resistance
>doesn't want one to go around with the nickname "the walking guillotine"

For shame.

>>55101363
This
But I would also add
>You get a massive sword but it is NOT the Buster Sword because 1) it doesn't exist and 2) the Buster Sword is a symbol of Heroism in the world of FFVII, not a weapon that anyone can claim

>>55101291

We're currently playing gritty cyberpunk so no.

>>55101291
>only 2 materia slots
Lol go ahead.

>>55101291
"You mean Guts's Demonslayer?"

>>55101492
Dragonslayer

>>55101431
>not going style over substance
>in cyberpunk

The corporates already won.

>>55101431
>>55101530
"But GM anon, I've gotten my arm augmented for super strength!"

>>55101581
>>55101530
>>55101455
Can't Midgar and Shinra be classified as Cyberpunk though?

>>55101530
>>55101581

nah, I would disagree purely because of aesthetics

>>55101597

jCyberpunk. an inferior type of Cyberpunk.

>>55101617
How about using a rotor blade as an improvised weapon?

>>55101637

for a while, if you're augmentet as fuck, sure. permanent solution - no.

if you got disarmed, grabbed a wrench a busted somebody's head open with a wrench in a dirty underground garage, that's cool.

If you carry around a wrench the length of you arm as a melee weapon you're watching too much anime for my tastes.

>>55101637
full
metal
bitch

>>55101291
No, and I have banned anime shit from my games.

>>55101291
I woukd show him something about the same size as a buster sword: the door.

>>55101721
>Hating fun so much than you banned a whole type of media comprised of many genres

>>55101326
>Not letting martials use oversized weapons as they get more powerful

>>55101747
>triggered weeaboo

If he was just using it as an example to describe a fuckoff hueg sword then sure.

If he was trying to explicitly lift his character from a videogame I would encourage him to be more creative.

>>55101721
I hear you, I banned all American live action TV from my games because I don't like Honey Boo Boo.

>>55101505
Devilslayer*

>>55101413
>the Buster Sword is a symbol of Heroism in the world of FFVII, not a weapon that anyone can claim
isnt it just a big sword cloud had?

also
>what is MHFU
its like a green weapon in that

>>55102022
>isnt it just a big sword cloud had?
No, it has an history
You should play Crisis Core or at least read about Angeal, Zack and who/what are first class So

>MHFU
It's not the same universe at all
Having a big ass sword in MHFU is pretty normal
Also your character is a super human

>>55101341
>hey GM I want something cool
>no you can only like things I approve of, now roll this d20
you sound like a blast to hang out with

>>55102042
>first class Soldier*

>>55102042
>It's not the same universe at all
i know i know, its more realistic than FF

it still has A buster sword, or several for that matter

which is what the question was

>>55101721
But it's from a video game.

>>55102069
>i know i know, its more realistic than FF
More grounded than FF7, yea

And yes, there is several big ass swords in Monster Hunter since it's a whole weapon category
I don't get your point though

>>55101291
No.
I hate weeb shit

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>>55101291

If he wanted to use the stats for a halberd or something and we just said it was a huge sword, sure.

It's not like comically huge swords are unique to Final Fantasy, and the player is allowed to have fun. It's not like he'd keep calling it the Buster Sword, anyway. It would just be "My sword" or "I attack" and the player would be the only one who remembered what it was supposed to be.

>>55102095
i mean there is literally a buster sword, as in a sword called "buster sword" (or is it buster blade?)

so "i want as buster sword" could also apply to the MH weapon
as it is A buster sword, just not THE buster sword

i know the picture is for context and shit,
sue me

>>55101291
No. Come up with your own design for a comically oversized and completely impractical sword. Don't just leech off of someone else's efforts.

>>55101671
>Carrying a wrench as a weapon
>Get stopped by authorities for search
>I got no weapons, fellas. Just this wrench here I'm on the way to return.
>Guards say "okay, on your way civilian"
Clubs that don't look like weapons have their uses, anon.

>>55102120
It's a buster blade
Then giving it or not depends of the game

Probably eventually, I'd give it neg 2 modifier to hit 3d6 or 4d6 damage and of you have less then 20 strength you must use your bonus action to ready the blade for use with an attack action.

>>55102061
In his defense
>I want that one weapon from that one game
is not just
>I want a stupidly oversized weapon

And the case being the buster sword, one if the most iconic and overplayed weapons ever, doesn't help the players case

>>55102172
This
A player carelessly asking for a precise iconic weapon has no clue what he's talking about

>>55102197
>>55102172
> a player using a shorthand to convey what kind of weapon he wants is bad
people know what the buster sword is- stupidly oversized weapon is more vague and could be more things

>>55102215
Consider:
>I want the/a buster sword
>I want a sword like the one Cloud/Guts has

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>>55101671
>If you carry around a wrench the length of you arm as a melee weapon you're watching too much anime for my tastes.
I mean, as long as they work on heavy machinery I don't see a problem.

>>55101671
>permanent solution - no.
>not having a drugged up aug sawing people in half
>not wearing a gas mask and making gurgling sounds for the full effect

>>55101291
>Short answer
no
>Long answer
Sure count it as a large improvised weapon due to the balance issues that thing would have. Let's say it weighs 54lbs because I remember this video https://youtu.be/VNc7kHADtUw. I believe that'll throw you over at least 1 encumbrance threshold. Now about the cost.

>>55102260
>Sure count it as a large improvised weapon due to the balance issues that thing would have. Let's say it weighs 54lbs
if you are playing something like DND then this is utter bollocks

fighters end up being utterly superhuman in terms of strength and endurance- theres no reason a fighter of reasonable level cant lug around the dragonslayer like a regular human would a normal weapon

in more grounded settings sure- but somehow i doubt people ask for such things in say ASOIAF RPG

>>55101637
Well it worked pretty good for Big Volfogg.

Granted he had sonic emitters on his chest and quad barrel machine gun in his other arm, so whatever.

>>55101291
Maybe, as long as it stays a great sword and doesn't do the gay bullshit of becoming 7 smaller swords.

>>55102280
>if you are playing something like DND then this is utter bollocks
Given the terminology in my post, I'm clearly not.

>>55101671
or possibly an Ork Mekboy.

>>55102280
In 5E you're encumbered if you hit 5x strength in weight. Plate is 65 lbs, so unless this sword is 35 lbs or less you're encumbered.

>>55102293
The fusion sword isn't the buster sword
Also it's only 6 different parts

>>55102294
>Given the terminology in my post, I'm clearly not.
pretty sure DND uses those words- but yes, the tome would suggest you arent, but then you probably wouldnt get asked that question either

>>55101396
This

>>55102143

Style is everything in Cyberpunk, yes. But stylish style, not retarded pointy haired wrench wielding anime style.

>>55102256
Sawing people in half with a chainsaw/circular saw/wolverine razor blades - yes. Sawing them in half with a retarded giant blade expecting a *shwing/whoosh* sound to magically apear - no. I am not even considering sawing people in half with a wrench.

>>55102299
If I would DM 40k game with a Ork Mekboy in it, I would even encourage that.

>>55102328
Pretty sure its encumbrance rules aren't granular enough for the implication of multiple thresholds, or of potentially multiple thresholds being crossed because of a single 54lbs item.
Likewise at least 5e makes no mention of any "large improvised weapon" instead saying the gm should pick whatever the improvised thing is closest too. Same is true of 3.5.

Try again next time.

>>55102357
>no. I am not even considering sawing people in half with a wrench.
>sawing in half
just bash the fuckers head in

>>55102396
>large improvised weapon
swear 3.5 does, or at least PF

>>55102405
3.5 mentions size category factoring into the above mentioned "pick something close". There exists no catch all category called "Large improvised weapon".

>>55101291
If he means a fullblade if we're talking D&D, of course. Huge fuck-off swords are a staple of fantasy. Hell, I'd even consider giving it to him in something like a horror game like Pyramid Head's Knife in Silent Hill 2, a weapon stupidly powerful that can 2 shot the final boss, but you have to accept you're going to walk at a snail's pace when you have it on-hand and ready to swing.

>>55101291
If we're playing an anime inspired game sure, otherwise fuck that.

>>55101413
>the Buster Sword is a symbol of Heroism in the world of FFVII
Hah. You mean in the shit-tier fanfictions bullshit Square-Enix created more than a half decade later, anon.
I could agree way more if you said something like, it's a symbol of a great game irl, but in the game itself it means basically nothing. Even for Cloud himself thinks nothing of it, unless you get him to experience that flashback in disk 3.

>>55102548
>Hah. You mean in the shit-tier fanfictions bullshit Square-Enix created more than a half decade later, anon.
That's, like, your opinion
You're right, it's not that great but I absolutely love it

>I could agree way more if you said something like, it's a symbol of a great game irl,
I'm with you on this one but we're not talking about the "marketing", we're talking about a character getting the weapon
>but in the game itself it means basically nothing.
That's why I said world and not game
Also, Cloud was technically amnesiac for most of the game

>>55102612
Cloud was an amnesiac, but the sword didn't matter to anyone else either, except for the dead guy who previously wielded it. And even then, I don't think Zack ever mentioned it being important to him in the flashbacks.

>>55102704
>Cloud was an amnesiac, but the sword didn't matter to anyone else either, except for the dead guy who previously wielded it.
Because the game was a bunch of year before the expansion of the universe
We're getting a remake, I'm hoping they don't fuck it up

>>55101363
>not killing cyber nazis and mutant commies with your buster sword while riding enchanted superior nippon steel hoverboard

>>55102792
>not wielding a powerhamer while riding a motorbike with flaming blades for wheels
get on the level

>>55101291
Make it heavy as fuck and redesign it to fit your worlds lore, then go ahead.

>>55102308
Might get away with it if it and your armor is made of mythril.

>>55101291
I'd let my player have it, but it's not really a sword. It's too big, too thick, too heavy, and too rough. More like a large hunk of iron.

He'd also need one hell of an elaborate backstory to justify using such an extravagant weapon.

>>55103078
>He'd also need one hell of an elaborate backstory to justify using such an extravagant weapon.
Angeal's (the first owner of the buster sword) backstory for owning it is literally
>My father bought it to me when I left home to become a Soldier
He also never use it in fear of damaging it
It's like an oversized "grandmother's necklace"

>>55103228
Yes, but Cloud's backstory for owning it is that it was Zack's, who got it from Angeal.

>>55103258
It's the vector of their will, feelings and dreams

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>>55103228
It was a reference to the similarly massive dragonslayer sword that Guts wields in Berserk.

After the first few chapters where guts is killing things with his sword, the reader is then treated to a 90 chapters of backstory.

>>55101291
I'd rather have a Fable 1 Cleaver personally, same general shape but a little more manageable looking.

>>55101291
Sure, grab a Greatsword and the Great Weapon Master feat. The unwieldiness of the sword makes it harder to hit, but when it does it hits like a truck.

>>55101291
Sure, we're playing a Final Fantasy campaign, just take this SOLDIER 1st Class template and tweak it a bit.

>>55102160
I really like this idea. Maybee even put the STR demand at 21.

>>55101291
If it's an high fantasy game yes, even a dragonslayer if you want, it will have it's perks and défaut though
If it's a more realistics game like Song of Swords, no, the biggest you can go is a Zweihander

>>55101291
Well, he has 5 dots in Potence discipline and 5 dots in strength. But making one that won't break after first strike would require having also good resources or craft.

>>55101291
Maybe eventually, if he works for it.

>>55101291
Meh, that's basically what a Full-Blade is anyway.

>>55101291
Depends. I'd consider giving it out even in DnD (with much better stats than most default weapons, of course), but only if the fighter works for it, and definitely not at chargen with 16 strength. You can't become Guts without being raped by a black man. You can't get a buster sword on level 1.

>>55101291
>PC asks for a buster sword
What's that?
>PC can describe it in firm mechanical terms
I let him make it himself or find someone else to make it, and I assign it a stat block closest to whatever he describes. ie if he wants a big-ass sword that he can use, we're talking a greatsword or a fullblade; if he wants an impractically large sword then it's a Large sized of same that he can't use without some feats or insane strength.
>PC can't describe it any other way than "the big sword from Final Fantasy"
I inform him that Final Fantasy doesn't exist in this setting so his character has no way of knowing what it is.

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>>55101291
It's literally just a greatsword so yes.

>>55101344
>>55101345
They're really not that heavy, at least replica ones. I had a friend that bought one about 10 years ago, it weighs 6.5 pounds (~2,2 kilos).

The issue with it was it wasn't at all balanced. Tiny hilt, all the metal up top. It should have a huge dex penalty or something.

>>55101291
why not?

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>>55105130
You fucked up your post, you tried to inject the "PC/Player dichotomy" into the equation but yourself mixed up the PC's knowledge and the player' intent. You also got confused as to who "you" are in this hypothetical, are "you" an NPC that the PC is asking, or are you the GM that the player is asking? Two entirely different concepts that you conflated together in your zeal to be snarky and dismissive.

>>55102308
>65lbs of plate
How about not setting the game in WoW. Also a 30+lb sword is already five times more massive than a regular sword and twice the weight of the heaviest historical great swords.

>>55101291
Sure, fuck it, especially if they're alright with it just being flavor for a weapon that uses greatsword/bastard sword/whatever-the-setting's biggest-sword-is stats.

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>>55103435
Here we go, I love this damn blade, though I'd like a slightly higher angle on the top part a little more busterswordish in shape so it looks like it CAN stab in a pinch.

>>55105150
It's not, Amiri sword is a giant's bastardsword (for Large creatures)

>>55105547
So... it's something like the buster sword?

>>55101291
Sure, but unless he has superhuman strength he has penalties.

>>55101291
yeah man, I run simple homebrewed games with lots of cool over rule (though the rules are so lax that there's always enough cool unconstrained by the rules)

of course I wouldn't just hand it out, it can either be obtained if we start off with higher-level PCs, he pays to have it made or he loots it off a frost giant or something

>>55105547
How the fuck does she wield it? PF doesn't let you use oversized weapons.

>>55105177
Replicas are also not solid tempered steel.

When men at arms made it, it required their burliest guys to lift and basically drop it on targets.

>>55101291
Sure but you need 20 strength to wield it.

>>55105177
There is a video in this thread quoting a properly made "functional" replica weighing almost 10 times that much.

>>55101291
Already been done in 3.5. It's a Large bastard sword, you take Monkey Grip and the Exotic Weapon Prof to be able to wield it two handed. I did the same thing with a warmace and had a character wield something like Sauron's fuckoff stick in the opening movie of LOTR.

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Magic users can basically do whatever they want and warp space and time on a whim, but martials can't use a sword if it's "too big?" Yeah, no, fuck that and fuck you.

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>buster sword
>not triple wielding
What kind of peasant shit is this?

>>55105799
>PF doesn't let you use oversized weapons.
No unless you're a certain archetype

>How the fuck does she wield it?
She's an iconic, aka a famous NPC they have this thing called "BULLSHIT" in where they ignore rules whenever they devs want
>Oh, you have 8 on Wis, perception is not a class skill for you and you didn't spend a single rank? well, doesn't matter, you have now +15 to perception at 1st level
>You aren't proficient with katanas? doesn't matter, you're now
>You don't have enough level to have 3rd level spells? don't worry

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>>55106003
This is my reasoning. If a man can call down a storm of meteors out of thin air then fuck yea I'm going to let a fighter with max strength wield a sword larger than most others can even lift

>>55106003
>>55106099
Why do d&d fags always assume people are talking to them?

>>55101721
I've banned all references to Western animation from my games. Too many Rick and Morty fags and Adventure Time bitches.

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>>55106033
>triple wielding

>>55106132
what even is that little red thing with holes supposed to be? a dildo?

>>55106153
It's a nutcracker, you place walnuts in the gaps and bang it on a table.

>>55106099
There's an internally consistent reason for the guy who can throw meteors. You need a reason internal to the world. "Magic exists" is not an internally consistent reason unless it has "and infuses/empowers everything and everyone based on their own wishes" tacked on the end.
"This guy has magically improved strength and ability from X power/source" is more likely.

>>55106198
That "internal reasoning" consists of "the devs say so".
The vast majority of creatures in D&D settings completely flout the logic and reasoning of physics and how animals work, you are just choosing to apply "logic" to one thing, and completely ignoring it when it suits you.

>>55106250
The vast majority of monsters are literally magic. Is your guy literally some wizard's science experiment? Is that why you're comparing him to an ooze?

>>55106131
PICKLE RIIIIIIICK!

>>55106250
Most of those creatures have "a god/wizard did it" or "is literally a spirit from a different plan of existence where everything is infused by God magic" as their reasoning.
A guy just inexplicably having the ability without a reason is just pisspoor.

>>55106269
>The vast majority of monsters are literally magic
>>55106306
>Most of those creatures have "a god/wizard did it" or "is literally a spirit from a different plan of existence where everything is infused by God magic"
The problem is, most of them literally are not that. Dire creatures, trolls, dragons, most things in the Underdark, anything that is not a magic creature, outsider or abomination is a natural creature, even if odd.
Once again, choosing when to apply logic.

>>55106337
No they aren't. But even if they are, is your human fighter a monster? Is he a completely different species that just gets massive strength from nowhere? Probably not. He's a human or humanoid who is of the same race as other humanoid who do not have anything of the sort inherently. So he needs to find a reason somewhere other than "I exist, and so does a dragon" to have a dragon's strength.

>>55106382
We are also playing a game where the classic cap on a human's strength was 25, well above human norms, and this was on purpose.
Orcs had an even higher strength cap.

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>>55102172
sorry you fucking chode, but by your logic, iconic and overplayed weapons means that pretty much any mass produced weaponry, ever, that makes you think of a specific era or conflict, is disqualified.
'Kite shield? too crusade. faggot.'
'Revolver? too old west. faggot.'
'phase plasma pulse rifle? too aliens, faggot.'

See how your logic is fucking retarded and hyperbolic, bordering on the hypocritical?

>>55106443
Actually having the mechanical strength to do it just from leveling up means that people in that setting can get that strong through effort. Thus, it has an internal consistency.
If you could just wield a massive sword without having the strength, there would need to be a different internal reason. Maybe the sword is magic. Maybe there's an explicit, defined effect from somewhere else that allows it. Something must explain it. Inductive reasoning is retarded.

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>>55106443
Players normally spaz out if you make humans unable to compete with more "normal" enemies I have found.

>>55106198
there is also a consistent reason for allowing the fighter to wield slabs of metal like a sword

by all accounts any high level martial is superhuman at least

you cant get tough enough to tank a tarrasque and also not be strong enough to wield an above average sword

>>55106532
Or how about the fact that the game does not, nor has ever, outside a handful of very specifics, ever had rules for strength requirements when it comes to weapons, but has instead required talent or instruction on them?
Now you are calling for something that has not existed in D&D at all, while I am using actual examples of living, natural creatures that have existed since the game's advent.
Your only defense is "I don't like it" not "The game doesn't support it", because it natively does.

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>>55106198
Yeah apart from weeb shit the best justifications are usually divine or magical where a martial has something inherently magical within them which allows them to become stronger or that their achievements please some martial patron god which gives them powers. Imo the more interesting route is a skilled fighter who is very good who manages to collect magical or divine gear or blessings.

>>55106601
You are literally saying that your character is a dragon. I don't think that is what you mean to say, but that is what you are saying.

I don't understand why people are saying it's impossible to use. It's clearly wielded by a normal human in the original media that it's from. Like it or not it's an apparent quality of the sword, so if you want to authentically represent it in your game you should not tack on arbitrary extraneous attributes like "awkward" out of a petty dislike.

>>55106715
Cloud is not a normal human. He's not actually a super soldier, but he has undergone the same physical enhancements because Hojo is a hack.

>>55106686
>You are literally saying that your character is a dragon
No, you are saying that.
I am saying there is a shitton of precedent for outrageous human strength, and the fact the game itself has rarely barred weapons behind strength requirements, but has done so behind skill requirements.
I'm sorry, anon, if what is actually in the book counters your belief, but it is right there, no matter how much badwrongfun you are trying to throw around.

>>55101721
>>55101956
>>55106131
I don't ban any references, but I take measures to curtail egregious use of them. For example, if you want your cleric to worship Slaanesh or Ryuk or John Egbert or some shit, go ahead. It's a minor thing that won't affect anything. If you want your fighter to fight like Brock Lesnar or Himura Kenshin, go for it. Tell me how they fight, and I'll help you get the build set up for it. But if you stop the flow of the game to spam quotes and references to something, I don't care what you're referencing, it's annoying.

>a high level martial can suplex dragons and chuck dinosaurs around
>but a large sword is too much

>>55106750
You keep using those creatures as your reason for a normal human to have super strength, even though humans in the setting have no such abilities.
A=B, A=C, therefore B=C is shit logic.
Some creatures are really strong, I am a creature, therefore I am really strong.

And stop confusing internal consistency for a strict adherence to real physics.

>>55106198
Doyle vs Watson, anon.
"levels are a power gauge, so equal level characters need similar levels of power" is the OOC explanation.
"The physical cap on natural human ability is higher in this fantasy world" is the in-setting explanation.

>>55106815
That's a very different reason from "magic exists". Humans having a higher natural cap is an internal reason. "Joe picked a class that gets to throw fireballs, so here's an inexplicable boost with no in game reason" is not.

>>55106801
>even though humans in the setting have no such abilities
>5e has barbarians natively able to break the strength cap of pcs by order of magnitude as a class ability
>A=B, A=C, therefore B=C is shit logic
So explain the class locks from Basic and 2e, then. Explain ability score bonuses and maluses based on race. Explain why Basic and 2e expressly had strength caps on races that was higher than 20.

>>55106855
"magic exists" boosts power levels of one class.
therefore, to bring non-magic classes up to similar power levels, there need to be in-setting explanations for their increased power.

>>55106890
Barbarian isn't a race.
Other races aren't human and their abilities still aren't related to dragons. Elves don't get to have 40 strength just because there's a giant thing somewhere that has 40 strength.
If stats were capped at where other creatures cap, everyone would cap at 0 in all stats except maybe con depending on edition, because there are things with no will, things with no thoughts, and things that cannot move at all.

>>55107065
Exactly. In-setting, and therefore internally consistent.

>>55107065
No, actually. Their ability to use it boosts them. Key difference.

>>55101291
That's pretty much just a D&D Fullblade, right?

I see no problem with that.

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>>55106801
>A=B, A=C, therefore B=C is shit logic.

What would possibly motivate someone to say this...

>>55106250
Wait, so you're saying there aren't teleporting dogs and owl/bear hybrids in real life?

>>55105921
Yeah, I think it was like 440 Stainless or something.

That said, producing a functional version of the Buster Sword would almost certainly require cutting corners on durability. You could use a lightweight aluminum alloy for the blade, then use an ultra-dense metal for the hilt, and that might fix the balance issue at the cost of making such a fragile weapon. Of course, you could just shrink the blade down, use all tempered steel, and then not have many of these issues, but if aesthetics are required, well there you go.

>>55101291
One busted sword.

>>55103078
They're a Hollow.

>>55105150
God that character design is garbage.

>>55102245
Reminds me of the mechanic character I made for a Fallout game. Used a pipe wrench for melee. Too bad the game never got past the first session. Too bad the Fallout PnP rules are absolute garbage. Too bad.

>>55102143
This is why crowbars are the Freeman's weapons

>>55101291
aren't most great swords blunt on the edges
you should only be able to cleave if you have the sufficient strength and swing. I guess it'd be okay if he's okay carrying this log of metal around instead of a more efficient blunt weapon.

>>55101291
Sure. But can they wield it?

Unless they're extremely skilled, AND extremely strong, it's more of a detriment to them than anything. But I really do love the concept of a "Guts" sword. Something so fucking huge and impractical but it works just because of the sheer fucking hatred and insanely stubborn attitude they possess.

>>55109004
No. No they aren't blunt unless you're talking about one of those silly ceremonial swords the brits liked. Like that's some fullers are actually called blood grooves tier thinking right there.

The sort of two hander meant for fighting would be sharpened. They wouldn't hold the same kind of edge as a thinner sword, but they were by no means blunt.

>>55101291
Would depend on which campaign he wanted it for...

Dark Heresy - Sure; it's no sillier than anything else in the universe; just use Great Weapon stats.

World of Darkness - Are you trying to get rid of your enemies by making them laugh to death?

>>55101291
i'd put a strength requirement on it; most systems have strength requirements as a basic weapon stat, so it all works out.
other than that, sure go ahead. i must admit i'm a sucker for oversized weapons.

>>55106801
>A=B, A=C, therefore B=C is shit logic
did you bother to think at all before coming up with this shit?

>>55109004
only very close to the hilt, which is called the ricasso and is present on many kinds of sword.
any sword with a fully blunted edge is either a very shitty sword, a ceremonial sword (also a very shitty sword for sword purposes), or is designed purely for thrusting (and usually has a diamond cross-section)

>>55109357
>i must admit i'm a sucker for oversized weapons.
Who isn't?

>>55101622

Ghost in the Shell said fuck off

>>55109402
That's Postcyberpunk,

>>55101291
"You want something so plain?"
>t. Anima Beyond Fantasy GM

>>55109357
It's only oversized if you can't wield it.

>>55109401
gritty realism pendulum swingers

>>55101721
>be DM in a regular group
>have one player who always makes characters based on his favorite anime characters
>deliberately throw things at him to make it more difficult to roleplay as said characters

>>55109955
Give examples please

>>55102749
>I'm hoping they don't fuck it up

Barrett isn't a clone of Mr. T as wide as he is tall. It's already fucked.

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I'd take Soul Edge over it any day.

Because I like huge sword, and I like living weapons.

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>>55110993
But Anon, Soul Edge changes itself to suit the bearers style.

If you didn't already focus on Fuckhuge Sword style, you'd get something different.

>>55111279
I'm aware, but in most game it's represented mostly as fuckhueg with the most satisfying fuckhueg sword style.

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Call him a busta.

>>55109894
Fuck those faggots.
>HURR DURR I'm playing a high magic fantasy campaign with crazy monsters that defy reality and the laws of physics as we know it
>magic casters can literally call down divine intervention or spawn crazy things to aid them in battle. The sky isn't even the limit. Whatever the imagination can behold is the only limit to their power!
>mundane, martial characters have to conform to strict laws of physics, constricted by their own physical limitations to the point where living, breathing human beings in the real world have accomplished greater feats. It's soooo realistic oh my fucking God I can't take this cock out of my mouth

>>55102749
Way too many red flags already popped for the remake, I'll bet all my savings on it's fucked/heavily butchered

>>55101291
I would give a smallsword with buster engraved in 9pt comic sans and stat it as a +2 greatsword with boomerang ability. It would also appear in the PCs hands whenever he tries to draw a weapon

>>55102104
>It's not like he'd keep calling it the Buster Sword, anyway.

Id let him call it a buster sword. It's a pretty innocuous name. Until he starts spitting out things about materia, SOLDIER, Sephiroth or whatever else there's really no reason to rain on his parade if he's being cool. No reason I shouldn't meet him halfway

>>55103078
>He was afraid of failure, so he choose to fight in a way he'd always keep jobbing.
>And then he kept training among the other soldiers, so while many faces came and passed through, he kept jobbing and jobbing
>He probably was not completely right in the head at this point, but he was hellbent on having an excuse, to kept control over the flow of the circumstance. If he ever won, it was pure skill, if he lost, it was not his fault, he was way too handicapped
>Until one day the miracle happened, and he became proficient with that chunk of trash
>He jobbed so hard and so much he finally became competent with it, and he was finally satisfied, for he had earned the right to complain when things dont go his way

>>55101291
what level are they/ what system am i using?

>>55106517
Anon, do you not actually know what we are talking about, or can't you read? 'Buster sword' isn't a type of a sword, it is the name of a single, one of a kind sword, that exists in one specific setting. What you describe is precisely the situation that I also described as different to the one in the OP, and one that I have no problem with.

Also,
>See how your logic is fucking retarded and hyperbolic, bordering on the hypocritical?
Holy shit, isn't the summer over yet?

>>55101291
I'd as him what one is, and based on his explanation I'd figure out what he actually wants and give him something better than a video game knockoff.

>>55101492
>>55101505
>>55102012
Trolling is a art

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>>55101431
>gritty cyberpunk
So it's basically set in real life?

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>>55101291
>Short answer
Sure

>Long answer
You'll need a strength of 15 to wield it without penalty
Average human starter strength in homebrew is 3
Maximum human strength without perks is 10

So sure, you can have this weapon, but if you try and use it you will take tremendous penalty.

That being said I'd give it a huge crit range and base damage, so if you actually do manage to hit something with it it will probably kill it.

Rolled 22 (1d100)

Bump

>>55106198

Extraordinary and supernatural forces are a thing too. Just have your martials become extraordinary. Easy peasy.

Rolled 80, 47 = 127 (2d100)

Test

>>55101291
No 'cause blatant rip-offs are a no-sale.

Rolled 69, 70 = 139 (2d100)

Test!!

>>55101291
That's just an ugly Daiklave. I mean if you want an ugly Daiklave sure.

>>55113172

right because dungeons and dragons only does original things.

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>>55101344
>>55105177
>>55105921
>>55105959
Don't talk about sword weights ever again.

>>55113515
Right because we're automatically talking about your shitty game.

>>55114652
I didn't. There is literally a video in this thread where a guy says the thing he is holding which threw a disk in his back out. Weighs that much.

>>55114669
>I didn't. There is literally a video in this thread where a guy says the thing he is holding which threw a disk in his back out. Weighs that much.

I don't give a fuck what that guy said. He's full of shit.

>>55114680
>>55114652
You do realize we're not talking about an actual sword here, right? This is a theoretical thing that's basically a huge slab of iron.

>>55114680
I don't know man, that buster sword sure as fuck looked like it was giving the buff guy a hard time.

>>55114844
>>55114895
Do the math.

>>55114937
I'm not reading your ass formated post. A chunk of iron can not only weight 54 lbs, it has been demonstrated to do so.

>>55114951
It's not a post. It's from an historical research article. Do the math, retard.

>>55114964
Fucking look at how big the sword we're talking about is and do your own math cum flop.

>>55114895
I saw one where the guy chopped a block of wood in half with his and didn't suffer a slipped disk.

>>55114977
Do the math.

>>55101637
>not running around in powered armor using a rotor turned sword as your primary weapon

>>55101291

Sure why not. It is almost like this is a fantasy game, and the weapons don't have to be highly realistic or something.

>>55105799
In 3.5 there's the powerful build ability (from a racial ability of goliaths or a regional feat) and the Monkey Grip feat.

>>55115022
72 inches long.
12 inch wide blade.
54 pounds.
.284 for steel density.

190.14 = 72 * 12 * H
H = .221

>>55112752

Yes

>>55109402

Ghost in the shell has no anime retardness and a lot of clishe american 80s-90s feel.

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>>55106132
>Penta wielding
How far down this rabbit hole can we go?

>>55106532
>Average person has an 10-11 in any given stat
>The cities "strong-man" might have a 13-15 (+2).
>Assume max for PC's without magic is 25 (+7).
>Literally three and a half times stronger than a man who's job requires him to be the biggest, burliest, guy in an entire city.

>>55101291
Depends on the genre.

>>55109312
>WoD laughed to death.
My old GM attempted to sell me on this game by saying it's the game where you get to be a vampire dual wielding chainsaws and still only deal "decent" damage. Was she lying?

>>55112076
Which red flags? Beside the fact we still have no confirmation of a PC release

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>>55117047
This guy wields a lot of swords.

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>>55117102
Like, a fucking metric ton of swords.

>>55117089
Vampires can get crazy strong and could probably wield two; chainsaws are just a bit overt, though. Not really most vampires' styles.

>>55117102
>>55117112
That's "One-hundred One Sword Style" so does it really count as "X-wielding" if he only uses one at any given time, but fights with 100 in total?
Shame about Mifune in the anime.

>>55101893
They can take a feat for it. If bastard swords exist, so to do large bastard swords, and so on.

There's a fighter achetype for oversized weapons.
It's called titan fighter.

>>55106034
It's not nice to line on the internet, Anon.

You can wield large one-handed weapons in two hands for a -2 penalty. The Barbarian iconic has Exotic weapon proficiency: Bastard sword that lets her use a regular sword as a one-handed weapon, allowing her to use a large bastard sword in two hands.

For all the shit wrong in 3.pf, their NPCs do actually follow the rules of the game, mostly.

>>55115022
You = obnoxious faggot

>>55115965
The Buster Sword is not 6 feet long. The blade is shorter than Cloud, and he's a 5'7" manlet.

I think we're far enough away from the days where every third character was a Sephiroth/Cloud expy. I would say go for it and have some manly tears over the golden age of PS1 rpgs

>>55121419
Well THAT buster sword is 6ft long.

>>55101291
As long as only one player is able to use it, and is willing to complete a quest to get it, I don't see why not.

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>>55101671
You could go full milspec and carry around a multitool. Maybe there's a small attachment out somewhere that turns it into nun-chucks?

>>55121419
The buster sword isn't 12 inches wide, either.

>>55121419
Because they're referring to the Man at Arms replica, you fucking autistic moron.
All your shitposting doesn't change the thing they made for the video, sperg.

>>55101291
Only if he can wield it IRL.

>>55124030
Are you sure people aren't talking about the Dragonslayer instead?

>>55124030
It wasn't 12 inches wide in that version, either.

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>>55106132
SWORD EYEPATCH!!!
WHY HAVE I NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE!

>>55101291
Yes, but he can't lift it

>>55114652
>188x4724
for what purpose

>>55101291
Yes, but I'd make it have a high strength requirement and be slow as fuck.

You can swing a sharpened I-beam if you want, its just gonna be pretty impractical in most cases.

>>55101291

In reality It will be okay. In any setting really.

If high powered or super heroic then its easy to say any image could work.

In a realistic hardcore setting then it would be still fine. As long as the character has the strength and endurance to wield it. Do not expect to come out of it as a skinny dweeb. You are gonna be a giant of man/women a freak of nature. Or if a well built person. You will suffer some for being slower and drained easily.

And in before you guys yell how unrealistic it is. In HMB tournaments I have been too Its very possible to wield 12-30 lbs of a weapon and fight. You just need to be in good shape and have allot of strength training. Hell I know a man who bench presses 340 and punches dents into steel doors. Scariest bastard I know.

>>55130228
>In a realistic hardcore setting then it would be still fine.
No.
>And in before you guys yell how unrealistic it is. In HMB tournaments I have been too Its very possible to wield 12-30 lbs of a weapon and fight.
See >>55114652
You're full of shit.

>>55130345

Explain how I am full of shit.

I can tell you for a average man with some training can easily swing around 2-5 lb falchions for several rounds

A buster like sword that weighs more is top heavy and not practical for many techniques but would be wielded closer to a club with a sharp edge then a blade. In fact its entirely possible for a human to do so.

Hell I have seen amateur chads in the gym swing around the damn lifting bars like quarter staves for the hell of it. Not my fault you feel like a wimp.

And I said weapons. Some weapons in hmb training can be up 12 lbs especially polaxes and two handed axes. So before you call me for doing shit and referencing a link that just says YOUR WRONG. Give me some evidence.

>>55130647

And reading about that img which is mostly hidden for its thine long image scan. It would be impractical. To your average weak person. To a man who actually lifts and exercises daily it would still be less practical but not 'impossible.' You haven't obviously seen some of the crazy damn gym jocks have you?

>>55130345

And reading further into it. You need to consider. If its made of iron, steel, Brass, copper, folded, tempered. this all effects weight. Some are not historically accurate but nor is our little 'dnd settings' 2ndly.

And reading more evidence of clouds buster sword actually size is different then the man at arms shit. 5.7 manlet. Shorter blade and less width. One guy did the math for something around 52 lbs but that is assuming based cold steel. Not tempered, spring, or any other modification that happens during blade creation.

Biw 52 lbs is highly unbalanced as stated before. Is it practical no. Is it possible with some freak of nature of a human being that can lift 50-80 lbs without breaking a sweat under a minute? Yes for certain. It will likely tire that man out as fast as a normal man wielding heavy weapons over time. But, Not impossible. And hell id be damned if you can live against that blunt trauma. Just dodge. Do not even think about blocking or parrying your gona get fucked.

>>55105921
I just watched the Man At Arms video, they made the "blade" mostly out of aluminum, with only the edge made of stainless steel. The sword still weighed "75 to 80 pounds"

>>55130647
>>55130725
Could a stupidly strong guy carry out? Even swing it? Sure. Could he do it without leaving himself completely open to attack and exhausting himself? Aka wield it effectively? I have my doubts.

>>55101291
No weebery in my games, that's the rule

>>55130941

I mean logically yeah. A warhammer or two handed maxes and polarms would be a better choice for the strong man.

As for leaving themselves open. I mean. You tell me if you would be so calm to just approach and weave around the guy. Nothing is stopping him from just letting go and ripping you apart with his hands and I mean punches and grappling. And yes even in armour that can make you dizzy even knock you out. Without 'modern leather straps to hold your helmet you can still be rocked. Hell it happens still in hmb with shield punches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlCQ2pBob5Q Not the best example but one non the less that most Hemma fags don not seem to understand that blunt trauma is a very real thing in armour. And I will admit that most hmb fags underestimate the value of stabbing. I know they do.

And it likely would be a few swings from some really freakish guys to tire themselves out with such a blade. Two handed will lower the pressure. but, They will still tire yes likely faster then you with a practical weapon. However approaching range with such a fighter is still easier said then done. Its not like anime or action films where we just see a chance and dart in and stab. Hell like I said he still could just after the swing just hit you with his other hand or sweep you.

Overall my point is I would allow it. And Its not infact a completely terrible idea. It is for 'war' where a fighter needs to fight and continue fighting. Duels and tournaments its iffy and likely would not be allowed. For a street thug or bandit. Entirely possible and likely might be apart of a gig where a group tries to distract you as mr big swings at you. but, There is better choices and I would still allow my players to use said things in a realistic setting if they meet the preq. was the point op was asking for.

https://youtu.be/vGkcgGf2Fzw

>>55130647
>>55130725
>>55130818
>>55130941
>>55131178
You have no idea about metal weights or how weapons work. Giving a big dude a buster sword would be worse than just wielding a normal blade. You're full of shit.

>>55131303

Explain please.

Also if you even read what I said I even said that. I just said that is entirely possible. Maybe you should think before you type before making a fool of your self.

>>55101291

Counts as a fullblade. Hope your PC took exotic weapon proficiency

>>55101291
A three-handed sword? well, as long as he uses 3 hands.

>>55124030
They are not, you dumb cunt. It was brought up as evidence for the "real" weight of the sword but is not the focus of the conversation.

Id allow it but
A. He would need to gather all the materials
B. He would need enough strength and a proficiency
His reward would be nice, but it isnt just going to be a handout

I tell them if they can find a smith to make them a huge unbalanced great sword they can go right ahead.

It uses great sword stat line and will make people think they're compensating for something or not right in the head.

Penalty to hit against smaller objects, people, monsters. Bigger bonus to hits and damage the bigger the thing he fights.
It will be called Riesenschneider, an artifact from the ages old war against the Giants.

>>55132109
cringe

>>55101291
>>PC asks for a buster sword
>Would you give it to him?
Yes

>Why?
Because there are historical equivalents: https://g.co/kgs/k5pNz5 wikipedia article has a weird character, so I can't direct link

>>55132176
shrug

>>55132212
That's not equivalent.

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>>55102172
But the buster sword is the weakest weapon in ff7.

Berserk, however...

>>55132212
As an alternative, although this guy seems pretty autistic, the video is pretty informative about this type of weapon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU18gJsVJic

>>55121419
Have some math based on in game measurements.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nerdogy.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/theory-thursday-feasibility-of-final-fantasy-weapons/amp/

>>55101291
A sword for busters? No question.

>>55132393
>>55121419
>>55115022
>>55114652
>"All said, Buster is around 139 cm long on the longest side, 107 cm long on the shorter side, 25 cm wide, and 3.175 cm thick at the blade."
>"if we assume that the Buster sword is made of steel, that puts the blade alone ata whopping 173 lbs! What if it was really fancy and made of lighter weight titanium? 99 lbs."

So what were you saying about it not being that heavy if we do the math?

The buster sword is not made to real sword weights.

>>55115965
Your math is pretty good.

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>>55101291
When the player character has high enough strength for it.

I have a lot of Darksouls and Anime fans in my group, so I oftentimes leave around the anime horseshit they can come back to retrieve later once they're strong enough. It makes them more eager to make progress.

The guy who wields the buster sword is a literal superhuman modified by magic and mad science.

>>55106033
I remember there was a hoax going about in the old days, amonst the multiple other supposed 'secret characters in ff7' you could recruit aside from Yuffie and Vincent.

The websites would tell you it was Cloud's sister, who dual-wielded buster swords.

>>55112076
Fucking this. Fuck Square-Enix, they ruined everything. No decent game came out since FFXI.

>>55134337
>>55112076
The only thing that could get me to play this lame looking non-turnbased remake... is if you could actually save aeris.

And if none of the later made-up shit like DEEPGROUND or Gackt appeared in it.

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>>55101291
It's just a two-handed sword with 2 holes, so why not. I'd even give it +1/+1 for being a masterwork sword.
Also, pic related, the blade is severly ruined, and about to break. So I'd let him roll from time to time to see if the sword finally breaks or not.

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>>55134353
Its not broken, its weathered.
Pretty much like the Dragonslayer, its too thick to break even when its been explicitly mistreated by a guy who isn't a swordsmith and is too focused on REVENGE.

>>55101291
You mean a Daiklave?

Sure. Pretty vanilla option for your Solar but whatever vanilla tastes good

>>55134350
Saving Aerith actually would be really a major shitty choice, and that's something coming from a fag who loved (and still loves) her, and that cried almost everytime she was killed and/or later during her funeral AMV.
That's a major plot point, she basically died for their sins, and she's also the one who saves the planet in the end, so, nope, Aerith surviving in some sort of way would be really a shitty choice on their part. But I also fear them putting all the shit that came after the game in the remake, especially all that god-awful "plot" and gay characters from CC. Or even the new Weapon and all the other silly stuff from Vincent's FPS game, or the extra characters and Weapon from the Turks' mobile game, and finally, the added Bahamut from AC. Just a big NOPE, keep the story the same, if they have to add something, add the stuff that was removed from the non-JP version of the game, like the entire visit at the Honey Bee Inn, or maybe add some little villages in the world, just to make it appear less empty than what we had in the original game, but filling them with nothing important, just random people complaining about ShinRa or the meteor later in the game. That's the only addition I'd like, really. And about the turn-based becoming all action, like FFXV... There's nothing we could do to avoid that, really, I just hope they'll go for it more like FFXII, giving you the possibility to change control over the 3 characters of the party during the action, instead of letting you only control Cloud, mirroring what they did with XV. That also worries me quite a lot, too.

>>55134373
Nono mate, don't compare the 2 swords, really. The dragonslayer is supposed to be way bigger and sturdier than the buster sword, really. And look at my pic again, the buster sword is way more than "just" weathered, it's about to break really. Guts' sword never got that ruined, really. Check the chapter again (it was v17 iirc), it wasn't even nearly ruined as bad as Cloud's sword.

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>>55101671
Now how did you know?

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>>55134440
>>55134373
Here, see? It is ruined, with several cracks and all, but it only around the edges, nothing in center, like here >>55134353.
And remember what sort of enemies Guts used it against, comparing to what Zack and Cloud used the buster sword, it really says a lot about the swords' different sturdiness.

>>55134491
Generic enemies you encounter in a final fantasy game are more robust than three quarters of the things Guts fights

>>55134471
I'm glad the anime didn't continue, adding all the 'ridiculous animu' bullshit from the novels.
That faggot was just the start, being able to juggle an entire car in the air with two wrenches while dismantling it neatly?

Even Mr Rail Tracer despite being ridiculously badass and unbeatable doesn't break the feel of the setting you see in the anime with the way that natural talent is portrayed.
And look at Ladd Russo, saved him and his bitch from death while falling off the train by punching the iron watertower to alter their trajectory, but look what he lost from performing that feat.

>>55120711
Magus iconic has +8 to Perception with Wis 8 and a single rank, how?
And there're more. At least 3.5 errata'd them, PF doesn't

Yes.
>your weapon now weighs 30kgs. -5 to initiative, all attacks require a strength check and roll attacks with disadvantage

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>>55134585
Im going to agree, i'm loved the anime for what it was worth, a 1930's setting with some gangsters and some immortals mixed in. but up until That guy and Rail tracer, it was pretty comfy and kinda realistic, I kinda wanna run a game like that now. Just no crazy powers or anything, just some gangs looking out for number 1.

>>55102308

>encumbrance
>that thing no DM cares about unless he's annoying the I-only-care-about-Intelligence wizard or trying to stop the party from carrying off a solid gold door

>>55134353
Those aren't cracks, that's rust

>>55134608
If you can hit with it it should have better than normal damage though.

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>>55102042
Ignoring extended universe, the buster sword was just Zack's weapon and numerous first class soldiers are fought during FF7 as pictured.

>>55136938
I always thought that those guys should have had multiple models and ability sets to represent the individuality and strange materia they're allowed. Sephiroth and Zack shouldn't have been the only ones to take advantage of their gear choice freedom.

>>55109642
Because the technician is bullying me again saying how I deal no damage and I rolled high stats and GOD KNOWS I'm playing a full blood jayan.

>>55137377
>effort
>for a generic enemy

>>55136938
>Ignoring extended universe
But why would you do that anyway?

>>55137766
They're a plot related generic enemy. These aren't some random mooks you never hear about, these are SOLDIER elites, in the same organization and rank as two very important characters. They should have been a big deal. Could have had a couple named ones team up with or compete with the Turks or something at least.