Starfinder General /sfg/

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>the earth was without form, and deep; and darkness was upon the face of the void. And the Spirit of Old moved upon the face of the void.

Campaign idea hot off the presses: Acererak returns as the Space Ghost Supreme.

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>tfw no campaign

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>>55093908
well then have a drink

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>>55093728
too busy with ship rules.
somebody else do power armor.

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>>55093947
But I don't wanna drink, I wanna play.

Has anyone taken a peek at Incident at Absalom Station? Do they have good enough statblocks for the creatures there?

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>>55093908
>tfw ywn play a drow punchgirl fleeing her abusive kitsune star shaman wife

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>>55094060

>>55094068
We've got statblocks for gang members, Bone Troopers, Void Zombies, Akata, and about three types of feral monsters.

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Wanting to run a Usual Suspects style campaign but not sure if I should run it on Absalom or pick one of the other planets like Akiton for it. Absalom seems like the more fun choice, plus it has the ease of being a central hub area for a lot of people/corporations so it could work a bit better, but I feel like just about every campaign under the sun is going to start there.

>>55094068
depends on what kinda of creatures you want.
imo the critters seemed like rejects from a Mythos horror campaign.
but they are reasonably well detailed.

>>55094091

You know, I am wondering if drow can make good solarites. It would be a nice contrast.

I don't think a solar weapon is normally finessable, though. Maybe there will be a feat or something in the bestiary book.

>>55094162
Start in Akiton and go to Absalom as your big break from the starting quest.

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>>55094091
I'm okay with that.

I'd much rather play with cute pacifist catfolk slave-envoy that cheerfully makes the drow and her vesk mistress dinner.

Thoughts on converting and heavily modifying Cavalier over and making it work with enercycles?

>>55094224
Why would a cat do that, they'll warm your bed and let you play with their bits but the common cat won't be making you dinner!

>>55094241
Why overspecialize so badly you cripple yourself?

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>>55094258
Obviously because she's not a common cat! Though she probably makes more sushi and sashimi than her mistress and the drow like.

It is a secret that vesk actually find chocolate intoxicating.

When are we going to see some animals worth domesticating? We need to get some use out of that Survival skill!

Is there a guide to most DPR Soldier/Solarion multiclass? I saw here that 3/17 had the most DPR compared to either 0/20.

So how feasible is it to play a Ysoki mechanic in power armor with a backup generator, wearing a ring of sustenance and an iridescent spindle aeon stone that just never gets out of his armor? I've got this mental image of playing a nesting doll of a character where he's in his light armor which is in his drone which is in his powered armor which is in his ship.

>>55094388
which is in the hangar of its carrier which is docked inside its space-station.

>>55094479
I will be a happy little rat if I reach the point that I can afford a space station that can physically dock carriers.

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This is what an android operative looks like!

>>55094723
>He doesn't know

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What organizations are you planning on introducing or creating for Starfinder? Which ones from Pathfinder do you think would survive the Gap?

>>55094328

Take a page from Metroid and have a bottle ship that attempts to replicate biomes and keeps various animals/magical animals/elementals in them. Technically that's what the Jungle Boxes are except they are more for plants then other life forms.

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Just got into a game, they say they need a mechanic.

Question is, can I fuck my drone? Or is this frowned upon?

>>55095085
If you need to ask, you're not at a high enough level for that sort of power move.

>>55095243
we're starting at level 3, I wasn't aware there was a level requirement.

What would you say is a good level to start fucking my drone?

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The hell does a Crossbolter look like?

>This weapon resembles a rifle with a crossbeam near the end of the barrel. A crossbolter uses mechanical power to fire arrows along the barrel. Grenade arrows can also be fired with a crossbolter.

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>>55095638

Monster Hunter bowguns?

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Starfinder Society Scenario 1-01: The Commencement has a very cute quest within it.

>Diplomacy DC 10+: The latest prerelease song from sugar-pop sensation Strawberry Machine Cake is about to be released. Unlike previous releases, the band is putting out a limited-edition physical copy prior to the concert when the released single and additional tracks are scheduled to debut and become available in digital form.

>“My second assignment...” Zigvigix twitches their tooth barbs for a moment and then holds out a credstick. “Please buy the brand-new Strawberry Machine Cake album, Star Sugar Heartlove!!!, which is out today, and give it to Historia-7 when you see her. She is the head of the Dataphiles, so you should meet her today! I wish to do it myself, but I... I have trouble standing for long periods of time. Thank you very much!”

>Strawberry Machine Cake Follow-Up: If asked about the new Strawberry Machine Cake album, Zigvigix says that Historia-7 has seemed down after losing her mentor in the Scoured Stars. They hope the sugar-pop music can cheer up the android; Zigvigix adds that the band’s music always makes them feel better. They go on to gush about favorite songs, expressing regret they cannot hear the newest releases, as the shirren finds it incredibly difficult to stand in the long lines.

>If a PC succeeds at a DC 17 Sense Motive check—or an astute player voices the observation without a roll—the PCs may note that Zigvigix is not buying a copy for themself. The shirren’s response makes it clear that despite their obvious desire, they downplay their opinion when it might benefit themself and seem uncomfortable spending money on their own personal wants—an oddity for the highly individual shirrens.

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>No art for the Seeker Rifles
>No art for Magnetar Rifles

WHY
H
Y

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>>55096141

>STRAWBERRY MACHINE CAKE
>Getting the album that Zigvigix requested requires standing in a raucous line for 6 hours. So long as the PCs do so, they get the album, but they must succeed at a DC 12 Fortitude save to avoid becoming fatigued, followed by a DC 11 Reflex save to avoid taking 1d4 bludgeoning damage from the exuberant crowd on the way out.

>The PCs can each buy an extra copy of Star Sugar Heartlove!!! for themselves, but they must pay 50 credits for each additional album. Similarly, the PCs can pool credits together to purchase an additional copy for Zigvigix. If the PCs later give Historia-7 (see page 9) the music album, she gives them a long, unreadable stare before calmly stating she will enter it into the archives.

>Treasure: If a PC buys an album for Zigvigix as well as for Historia-7, the shirren squeals in delight and offers a single charge cloak as a reward.

For context, Zigvigix is the commander of the Exo-Guardians, the most militant of the Starfinder Society's subfactions, and here they are, asking the party to buy a sugar-pop music album for themselves and for the straight-laced leader of the society's information brokers. Zigvigix probably has a crush. It is probably unrequited love, alas.

How would your party handle this quest?

>>55096152
By killing themselves and then the android and shirren.

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>>55096152

Find out what stores are participating in the pre-release special.

infiltrate and hack the store's computer to see when the shipment arrives and plan a couple of contingencies:

1. Have one person stealth their way to the front of the line and make use of memory altering spells while the others sleep to make it seem that person was always there and then have the mechanic send their drone to bring rations as need be.

second plan is to actually "steal" the disk but also leave payment in the process. This seems more of a job for the operative and the technomancer (myself) altering records and slipping the needed credits for the disk into their registry (that said, I also have an in to a store's bank information for later use).

Final plan would be to single out, corner, and bribe one of the event goers for their copy. If I have the clout to do so I arrange for a meeting with Strawberry machine cake otherwise ample memory alterations and illusions to create the effect.

>>55096152
>>55096141
This is one product away from being a literal milk run, I love it.

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>An adorable Korasha Lashunta killing machine will never buy you a sugar-pop album

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>>55096290
>literal milk run
What did he mean by this?

Do shirrens or androids make milk?

>>55096267
The quest is for level 1s I think? You can't alter memories as level 1s.

>>55096420
>What did he mean by this?

You have a filthy mind, anon! A milk run is some extremely easy mission given to a group, often used in Shadowrun to describe a Johnson (a quest giver) requesting the party go and get him a carton of milk from the local store.

>>55096420
>The quest is for level 1s I think? You can't alter memories as level 1s.

Alright, then I'll have to rely on parts of the first plan and mostly the second one with no memory alteration

>>55096447

I had fun when I ran Shadowrun giving the group a first mission that was more complex,(If still easy) to sabotage a processing plant for the Norco Co-Operative...and after doing research they realised that the Norco Co-operative was a co-operative of dairy farms.

>>55096486
Australians are two steps away from becoming Shadowrunners, anyway.

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Where's my graviton weapons? I want some singularity grenades and matter-smashing longarms.

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>>55096622

Gravity guns?

>>55096447
It's also an Air Force term to describe a mission that by all rights could probably be done by a troop of boy scouts in cesnas.

Said missions have the same reputation that they do in gaming. That is, it will almost certainly explode in your face and go completely to shit inside the first ten minutes.

>>55096685
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sH8PhhGIcU

Gravity grenades!

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>>55096755

In Chronicles of Riddick it seems like the gravity weapons were just pulses of energy that crushed whatever they contacted. Perhaps the gravity grenade just creates a crushing force of singularity that, if it outright kills the target completely destroys the body?

That said, something like Art of the Peircing Void should be something Solarians can do.

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>>55096804
>In Chronicles of Riddick it seems like the gravity weapons were just pulses of energy that crushed whatever they contacted. Perhaps the gravity grenade just creates a crushing force of singularity that, if it outright kills the target completely destroys the body?

Oh yeah, that's the stuff. I just want a weapon that crushes things when I compress the trigger.

>>55096622
>>55096804
>>55096755

Honestly, they'd be really easy to do AND cover an area the game doesn't have right now. Bludgeoning Ranged Weapons.

>>55096892
>Bludgeoning Ranged Weapons.

Shouldn't these weapons already be in the game? They've already established a powerful precedent for them being the favored weapons of Devourer Cultists, and Solarions can already grab graviton crystals to enhance their powers.

>Sharpshooter Style for Soldiers
>Focused around Full Shots
>Sniper's can't make Full Shots
>The Example Sharpshooter Character uses a Sniper RIfle.

I dont understand.

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>>55096938
Designated marksman =/= Sniper

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>>55096152
Wait a minute.

>Getting the album that Zigvigix requested requires standing in a raucous line for 6 hours. So long as the PCs do so, they get the album, but they must succeed at a DC 12 Fortitude save to avoid becoming fatigued, followed by a DC 11 Reflex save to avoid taking 1d4 bludgeoning damage from the exuberant crowd on the way out.

Do portable chairs not exist in the future?

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>>55096892

Agreed. Perhaps the Gravity Grenade could be an area denial weapon. Once it goes off the core of the grenade forms the singularity for a while and anything that gets within it's range takes bludgeoning damage. I don't believe there are any other grenades that do anything like that and would make for some interesting tactical scenarios.

>>55096919
I don't recall seeing anything like that. Would make sense I guess if they came out in some splat or whatever but considering how long we have to wait in between releases we might as well come up with our own shit.

>>55096980
I'm honestly really hyped how Necromongers can actually be canon in the Starfinder setting.

>>55096919

>Shouldn't these weapons already be in the game?

Right now, not really. Unlike pathfinder (Where guns are bludgeoning and piercing) Starfinder guns are purely piercing.

>>55096980

My thoughts was a large AOE yanking people towards the origin point of the grenade (So they are now clustered) but that is also an idea.

Could also go 'They create a sphere X big of zero-G' for a few turns.

>>55096980
>I don't recall seeing anything like that.

Cult of the Devourer is basically Chaos Undivided (complete with Chaos Champions whose souls are immortal and untethered to the Cycle) with an extreme focus around black holes and entropy, them using graviton weapons makes sense.

>>55096967

Yeah, its fine if you have a long arm, but what the fuck do you go with for Sniper then?

>Flight Frame Powered Armor is Huge

Is that right? Or a misprint and should be Large?

>>55097002

I know, and the best part is they don't have to have anything to do with Eox or the Corpse Fleet to exist. The Underverse and the Holy Half Dead could be a new demi-god on the block

>>55097016
>My thoughts was a large AOE yanking people towards the origin point of the grenade (So they are now clustered) but that is also an idea.
>Could also go 'They create a sphere X big of zero-G' for a few turns.

Nothing says we can't add onto it. Maybe if you're within 5 feet of the area of effect you have to make STR or Dex checks to get pulled in and STR checks to get out if you are. Even so, with something that potentially powerful it should be rare or epensive to get and something you would consider using at desperate moments rather then a de jour combat tactic.

>>55097020
Oh, I meant more about ranged bludgeoning weapons (although hearing how Devourer cultist are more like Chaos undivided does tickle my pickle the right way)

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Deciding between Blitz or Guard for my Soldier, is Power Armor worth going for?

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Where have I seen this armor before...

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>>55097184

Deadboys?

Funny how the GM screen hasn't been leaked yet.

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>>55097217

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>>55097184
Shocker Army.

>tfw can't do a Solarian Power Armor

Damn. Probably OP but I'd love that shit.

So. Lets assume I want to do a Destiny Home Brew, what classes would fit for what Class/SubClass in Destiny? I'm gonna play it loose with the setting so as not to restrain players too hard, but I figured like, a Soldier with Guard is gonna be a Titan and such.

Solarians are Warlocks, obviously.

>>55097282

I would say it's best not to try and fit the constraints of Hunter/Titan/Warlock esepcially when you consider they weren't all that important during the Warlord/Iron Lord era. That said, I'd certainly say steal everything else.

>>55097080
Really I'd suggest really high damage in a 5ft area and then for a 10ft (or even 15ft) radius save or get bludgeoned and/or knocked prone around the detonation point as you're tossed, things hit you or both.

Probably Dex to avoid the singularity (if you're the lucky sap addressed 'to whom it may concern') and then Str for everyone close taking flying/dodging lessons.

Of course, a clever player could use the pulling affect to throw mooks out windows/airlocks and off tall things.

So would you say this game is good? How is the Solarian class?

>>55097586
>Of course, a clever player could use the pulling affect to throw mooks out windows/airlocks and off tall things.


The thing is, would it hover in place then detonate or would it have to hit the ground then activate? I see what you mean chucking it out the window and defenestrating mooks but it would be a waste if it only activates after physically impacting something. Then again you could do some sick throws and bounce it off of something first I guess

Also, going back to Solarians throwing balls of gravity I was immediately reminded of Destiny 2's new Nova Bomb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5RCs6IMJw

>>55093728

As Early as we are into this, How many people have made homebrew for this game?

>>55097681
I actually was thinking how incredible it would be as a sticky grenade to depressurize a ship. Throw it, it sticks to a wall or window and you badly injure or kill everyone close and everybody who's not tied to something has help finding their way out of the hull breech.

Something like that would probably need various fuse modes for utility, but it would definitely be a fun toy. Use as a motion activated proximity mine would also be fun. If I were looking to make it as hilarious as possible, I'd make it arm on contact or on a timer, then explode either instantly, on detecting motion or on next contact.

Of course such a complicated detonation mechanism would make it expensive (though, we're already talking about a mini-singularity device) and means it's plenty easier to fire it from a launcher at a group of mooks and call it a day than set it in the middle of a firefight.

>>55097800
I have a full conversion of Pathfinder homebrew which allows(limited) use of PoW, SoM, SoP, and Veilweaving, along with personal ship-based feats that I think are balanced.

>>55097838
Considering we already have man-portable airburst grenade launchers, is imagine it is not TOO far out of the realm of possibility.

>>55098010
Is be curious to see those, if you have them online. Love playing Viziers.

>>55097149
power armor is a trap and next to useless

light armor is actually better

>>55098210

Fuck that. I'm going Power Armor all the way. And I dont care what munchkins say.

>>55096447
>often used in Shadowrun to describe a Johnson (a quest giver) requesting the party go and get him a carton of milk from the local store.
Deniable milk, no doubt, with dubious payment methods and betrayal at the end.

>>55098548

Of course, anon. Wouldn't be Shadowrun otherwise.

>>55097618
Has good bits. And ba...under-tested bits.

The Solarian is a low-rent Green Lantern in many ways, and a bit over-focused. It is not the only class to have this issue.

Are Envoys equipped to accomplish anything in a fight? I'm not clear on what they're expected to do about hostiles.

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>>55097800

Here is my initial homebrew. Trying to make bows not suck + I love gravity weapons and was inspired to make some. Feedback is highly appreciated.

>>55098665
Bows SHOULD suck. The bows in Starfinder should be in a monster statblock for when you encounter angry savages in extremely undeveloped worlds. The idea that guns need to balance with bows is whatever in Pathfinder but absolute nonsense in this setting.

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>>55098688

Sure, if you are using a low tech bow you'll suck (I didn't give any of the variants for the level 1 bow) but this gives sci-fi options for people to grab.

But well, if the starknife and elven curve blade made the translation to sci-fi versions there is no reason the bow can't.

>>55098665
>>55098688
They already fill the niche of silent low-tech grenade launcher. Add to grenades and you add to bows.

>>55098688
I disagree. Not like, from the standpoint that bows should be on the same level as advanced firearms, but that a modern compound bow has unique utility and function that might make it a good tool when pure destructive ability is what you're after.

Bows are naturally relatively silent and with the improvements of space-age technology and magic I can only imagine them being quieter. Using one to launch some kind of payload may also be very useful, or to affix ziplines and other gear. In a zero-G environment, bows remain consistent and their analog nature makes them practical when fancier gear fails.

Will it outclass or match a firearm? I don't thinks so, but "suck" is too harsh a word. I can see them dealing one-hander damage or perhaps a little more without a lot of the gimmicks and extras of the heavier firepower, but the added versatility pays dividends.

>>55098731

>Add to grenades and you add to bows.

Have you seen the grenade arrow rules? They are 'As a grenade of level -5'. A level 20 grenade arrow does literally half the damage of a level 20 grenade for a much higher cost.

>>55098742

>Will it outclass or match a firearm? I don't thinks so, but "suck" is too harsh a word. I can see them dealing one-hander damage or perhaps a little more without a lot of the gimmicks and extras of the heavier firepower, but the added versatility pays dividends.

Design-wise I tried to put them as a middle ground of longarms(In particular, the hunting rifles) and sniper rifles. They have snipe but not to the same degree as a sniper rifle and are not as long range without snipe as a longarm. The end result is (Intended to be, at least) a very versatile weapon without quite being as perfect in a given situation as another weapon.

>>55097800

Eagle made a few things. I think his changes to Automatic weapons are cool.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x_OVllmNNfqPZq_TcUnLjjL2G_sOXEVpO3KlnEP0dPs/edit

>>55098843

Burst fire feels a bit too powerful with how rare accuracy boosts are this edition.

>>55098843

Oh man, that Burst Fire change is so simple yet effective I love it.

>>55097149
>>55098210
>>55098266
So what's the positive/negative bits of Power Armour? I haven't read the equipment part of the book yet.

Is there a Starfinder PDF that's actually got links in it to individual elements rather than broad categories?

>>55098870

The positive: It's really cool, replaces your str score and changes your size.
The negative: There is basically zero of them statted right now. Only 2 ones for actual combat.

>>55098754
at three times the range, using DEX to hit instead of STR, and with Quick Reload.

The cost thing is typical 3PF item "balance" BS, hardly unique to grenade arrows.

>>55098870

I'm not an expert but well, you gotta have them be powered of course, and take a feat for them (some classes give it)

But they can load weapons onto them, as well have unique power armor upgrades like shields and autoloaders.

There's a Soldier style that focuses on using them too, which looks fun as fuck.

I dont know, I"m not a stat munchkin though so I dont know if they're 'bad' or not. But damn are they cool.

>>55098928

A grenade launcher is basically better than grenade arrows for anyone that can use them (And since everyone needs to take a feat to use bows, it's just as much an investment for a lot of people). 6 in the drum at level 1 and you get the full damage (Rather than half like grenade arrows), later upgrading to further range than the bow and 12 in the drum.

>>55098931
I don't think Autoloaders do anything currently, since I don't believe there's anything saying that loading weapons in power armor is slower. So it's a Move anyway.

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>>55098863

I kinda lifted the idea from shadowrun.

Double tap and Burst fire giving a flat damage/accuracy bonus seems a lot easier to do than say multiple hits.

Though there was the idea presented to me to have burst fire do "Splash" damage as well. Bit iffy on that.

>>55098856
Maybe, but as it stands right now, there aren't that many Automatic weapons. And Since Automatic's original feature is... a little niche to begin with. i figured an extra little edge would be cool.

I haven't play-tested it at all however.

Same thing with Fast Hands and Clever Grip.
I notice there was no rapid reload feat, and people who want to try to make Fusillade work have a huge amount of investment for very little pay off.

I think i might look into that feat too.

>>55098993

Perhaps make burst fire turn it into a Line weapon like how Full auto turns it Blast? So you basically get 'Low ammo, least targets', 'Moderate ammo, moderate targets', 'All ammo, most targets'

>>55098988

I suppose thats true.

Also I see Androids can get any Light Armor upgrade on their own person free, does that include Jump Jets and Jet Packs? Thats cool as hell but seems kind of OP.

>>55099024
Recall that they only get ONE slot, some things take up more than one. I think jetpack costs 2, I can't recall if jumpjet does or not.

>>55099024
They still have to buy the upgrade to install it, they just have a bonus armour slot essentially.

>>55099050

Oooh, right! Completely overlooked that! Looks like they both only fill up one slot though. But if its not free, then thats fair.

>>55099070

Oh its not free? thats fair.

>>55099014

I can see the reasoning, but i think that basically eliminates the Niche of Flame weapons. Since their stchick is line energy damage.


I think i'll stick with Flat damage boost. I think it could be a nice parallel to over charge rules for Laser weapons. Though i wouldn't have so much of an interest in it if Automatic attacks could hit the same target more than once.

The RAW for Automatic weapons seems to make me think that all trained automatic weapon users can do is spray and pray. sweeping their fire over a wide area, hoping they shoot the predator. running away from killing "Ol' Painless". A flat damage/Accuracy boost at the cost 1/4 your mag, seems like a good representation of "Focused Fire."

>>55098988
As i can tell, The only thing Autoloaders do is load something Hands free.

>>55099088

Flame is blast (Aside from the singular examples at level 2 for pistol and longarms. Seriously, why did they not actually give upgrade options for people who want to keep using flame pistols? Flame pistols are badass)

>>55099088
Yeah, it's Plasma that's Line.

>Captcha: plas angers

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>>55098993
I knew that character looked familiar

>>55098585
But would you say the game has potential /isn't unplayable? Sorry just trying to decide if I should buy the core book or not.

>>55099180
>>55093728
>/sfg/ unified link repository: https://pastebin.com/BBVzM7tm

Just download it and decide for yourself.

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>>55099127

Whoops. Well you get what i mean regardless right?

I'm just waiting for the inevitable "Weapon Attachment" rules that will be either extremely overpowered, or a garbage fire. there is no middle ground.

>>55099174
He didn't look like that originally i had to used the materials i had on hand at the time.

>>55099227
And if they're OP, they'll be nerfed down to useless

What would be some good Soldier Fighting Styles to add in the future?

Maybe an actual Sniper style that works for Sniper Weapons? Or something that supplements Bows?

>>55098658
Say mean things at the enemy and encouragement to allies. They can also use grenades.

>>55099180
The PDF is cheap legit and cheaper at >>55099226
but is a lot to absorb. I know I still am. I am not a fan of the effects of 3.PF balance for the most part. The idea that better gear costs orders of magnitude more than standard gear AND won't even be shown to scruffy beginners, while STILL being just a better melee weapon, is ridiculous.

We won't even start on the false scaling of large numbers of dice. Bell curves have a gravity to them that does not make 20d6 twice as good as 10d6.

What would be a fun weapon to put onto a Drone?

Am I blind, or am I going to have to houserule an item nito the game so PCs can "walk" in zero g?
For example, when doing hull repairs, or attempting to board an enemy ship.

>>55099619
It comes included with all armour.
>If a creature runs into another creature during its movement, both creatures must each attempt a DC 20 Acrobatics or Athletics check to avoid gaining the off-kilter condition. A creature anchored to a solid object (such as by the boot clamps available with most armor) receives a +4 bonus to this check.

Page 402, zero g rules.

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>>55099890
Thanks, anon!

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>>55099454
>Bell curves have a gravity to them that does not make 20d6 twice as good as 10d6.
the expected value of 20d6 is 70
the expected value of 10d6 is 45

20d6 also has less variance than 10d6. it is literally double the damage, mathematically. and is also more reliable, mathematically

>>55100019
10d6 expects 35, not 45. 3.5 per die.

>>55100034
whoops, thnx for the correction

>>55097027
Shoot something from so far away it would be pointless to draw a grid, making your attacks practically free actions.

>>55099226
>https://pastebin.com/BBVzM7tm
Is that the full core rulebook or is it still the unsearchable collection of most of the rule pages?

>>55100362
I had to add not-shit bookmarks myself, but it's an actual pdf version, yeah.

>>55100380
awesome.
I was going crazy rolling back and forthwith doubles marginally wider than my screen at readable zoom levels

thank you for the work, anon.

>>55100400
Oh, I mean, I downloaded it, and then added not-shit bookmarks to my own copy.
I had nothing to do with the link.

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>>55096147
Take something from Warframe. Warframe's great for space fantasy weapon designs. Not to mention that, given the way all these things start basic and get upgraded, it's useful for getting a lot of excessively decorated variants on basic weapons.

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Assault_Rifle

>>55095638

It looks like a fucking crossbow. That's literally what that description is, it's someone describing a crossbow to someone who's familiar with guns.

>>55100780
It gets dumb as they level up though because apparently the only way to upgrade a crossbow is to have it spit up to... I think the last one's 8 bolts at a time.

>>55100726
>Not Grakata

SHAME UPON YOU

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>>55100919
Now now, neither the Seeker nor the Magnetar rifles mention recoil, and we both know that if the write-up doesn't mention recoil, it's not a Grakata.

I wish these weapons were more differentiated from each other. I feel like these weapon tables both lack the simple accesibility of the DnD 5e tables and the intriguing complexity of the Shadowrun tables. What does your weapon selection say about you, other than "this is what I could afford?".

>>55100980

At least you can choose different energy types and shit.

>>55100980
GET CLEM

>>55101005
Not much of a choice. Again, with Shadowrun you can choose between ammunition types because you know broadly what you're up against. Partly that's the setting (in a fantasy setting, anything goes), partly that's the standard campaign format (good Shadowrunners do reconnaissance before they go to the local convenience store, and there are no bad Shadowrunners because they all died).

You know whether you're going to need taser rounds (always) or AP (drones) or something more exotic for a specific target type. (I'm fond of wide spread shotguns for fighting feral ghouls. Never enter a sewer without them.) You don't know whether you're going to need an ice sword or a fire sword for your next space-dungeon crawl; it's just a thematic choice. And even if you did, you don't have the same freedom to slap a new magazine into your existing rifle.

Seriously, now that I think about it, why doesn't this game have different ammunition types for guns?

>>55101115

>Seriously, now that I think about it, why doesn't this game have different ammunition types for guns?

It wouldn't even be HARD to do.

Stick and Shock: Can be put in any projectile weapon. Changes the damage type to non-lethal lightning damage and replaces any usual crit effect with the Stun critical effect.
Incendiary: Can be put in any projectile weapon. Changes the damage type to fire damage, replaces any crit effect with a burn effect (Value scaling with gun)
Overcharged Battery: Can be put in any laser weapon. Halves range but gives it the penetrating keyword.

Looks like Psionics are coming after all. A table of contents got posted in a couple of places.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ImKuqiJPNBkYKL1AEy-S0ez0Ku2gZeZemGVYSNcc0g

Mostly looks like PF stuff coming forward, no Psychic Warrior. Wonder what the heck the Specialist is, but since their other three classes are a caster, healer, and melee I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a sneaky type.

>>55093972
Lot of the upgrades are less good for huge or bigger starships than they are for tiny and medium.

>>55101318
Why does starfinder put so much weight on criticals? They're only on natural 20s except if you have a science officer buffing your next attack, yet so many things look like they revolve around critfishing

>>55101560

I have no clue. Crit effects are nice but they don't turn up enough to really matter too much. There really should be some ways to do crit effects (If not the double damage) without actually needing a crit.

>>55101318
Why would overcharged battery halve range. If penetration is being increased then the weapon can't be suffering from adverse increases in blooming or it would also be losing damage with range extremely fast.

Should probably just quarter the battery's capacity instead.

>>55101587
>Why would overcharged battery halve range. If penetration is being increased then the weapon can't be suffering from adverse increases in blooming or it would also be losing damage with range extremely fast.

Because I was throwing ideas at the wall for vague suggestions and decided to throw out 40k's hot shot power packs (That drop the gun range but up the AP)

That and ammo capacity isn't really much of a penalty when it's only a move action to reload a gun and standard action attacks are very accurate.

>>55101603
how about overpenetration then. -1 damage per die of the weapon (so 9d8-9 for a zenith) in exchange for penetration.

>>55101630
So basically Anti-Armor chargepacks you swap in when shooting vehicles or walls? Feels like there should be something about DR there.

>>55096152

NTR of course.

>>55101764
Zigvigix is a Host, which means they only exist for male Shirren and female Shirren to fuck them and carry their freaky bug babies.

Their love for Historia is pure, you monster.

>>55101582
I expect that it's another neat idea that was delivered conservatively, because that's what this game is.

It's got the difference between stamina points and hit points. I've seen other systems where critical hits bypass stamina-equivalents and go straight to HP. They tend to be very lethal, and especially at high levels they mean that crit fishing is the only thing you ever want to do. This game looks a bit like they considered doing that, backed out, but there are still leftover mechanics.

>tfw your character art perfectly matches up with the mechanics and equipment

What's her name?

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>>55102167
colony-tan

>>55102341

Do not kiss colony ships, anon. They have a lot of work to do, and they don't need one of the settlers they're supporting distracting them.

>>55101489
>Looks like Psionics are coming after all. A table of contents got posted in a couple of places.
SO THIRD PARTY CRAP

>>55103363
The third party vision for Space Dungeons might be better than Paizo's, so I'll keep a somewhat open mind for now.

>>55101489
> No Tactician
It's like they don't even want the Envoy to die.

> No Dread
But I wanted to be a Darth Vader in spess...

>>55105624

>Darth Vader in spess
Isn't that just Darth Vader?

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Gee, sure is a lot of NO GAME around here!

>>55105658
I'm in a game and running a game, anon.
I just didn't recruit from 4chan.

So you can feat into a small amount of spellcasting in Starfinder, but is it worthwhile to do so?

>>55105739

Depends on what you're tying to do. There is a feat that lets your ranged and melee attacks be counted as magic if you have 2nd level casting I believe.

>>55101489
Watch the Psi classes let you do shit like plate your ship with the Aegis or pull off force-dodges, while the core rulebook classes all languish in their complete detachment from all things space

>>55101489
Specialist is almost certainly a rework of the Cryptic. It wasn't very good and would need a full revamp for either game anyways.

>>55101489
>>55106064
>>55106081
This coming from DSP or someone else?

>>55106219
Jacob is from DSP, so...

Go away 3p classes, we don't need your shit this early.
Learn the system's design before you try to pretend you're wanted.

So, any input on those powered armor rules?

>>55106669
Powered armor is a way to dumpstat Str and focus on dex and int.

I haven't been able to play a session, is starship combat fun?

>>55106693
Yeah, but the way character progression works in SF, there is really no point in having a dump stat.

>>55106739
Double all damage done and it's less slow.

>>55106777
I understand what you mean, but for most practical levels you're not going to be playing with a lot of ability increases under your belt. And you still increase 4/6 abilities, so the point of being able to ignore Strength still applies.

I'm hoping my theoretical Exocortex Mechanic (yeah, I know, I still like them) will be able to wangle a suit by the time he gets Advanced Melee Proficiency. Shoot most of the time, occasionally fly around with a giant plasma sword. That appeals to me a lot.

>>55105739
The amount of *good* feats is pretty small, so, sure, why not grab minor spellcasting. I'm getting Connection Inkling so I can stabilize people without worrying about health pots.

>>55105739
You can put 1 into whatever casting stat you want and put lvl 5 and 10 ASI's into it for a 15 but by then I'm not sure which spells would be practical.

A technomancer/mystic might be able to take advantage of certain things but at best your martial could maybe get something like Life bubble. Supercharge weapon seems appealing but 4d6 doesnt sound so hot at level 10.

>10
>12
>14

Well, which do you prefer during CharGen?

>>55106693
Since feats are so shit and spell focus is already free, do you ever think that power armor prof is a good investment for technomancers?

>>55107653
Probably not. Odds are you're Int/Dex so you can shoot guns when not casting, and they already get light armour.

What's your raifu?

>>55100909

I guess they didn't want to make more and more advanced arrow types instead. Which probably would've worked better and made bows not useless.

Does the wealth by level tables stack up?
I imagine upgrading gear is crazy expensive since you'd need brand new guns every time while trading your old shit gets gamestop tier return value.

>>55108806
That's a bit of an advanced question for the level of not-actually-playing-this-game we're getting for Starfinder. Maybe give it a few months and see if anyone cares about this game after the novelty wears off.

That said, maybe an anime-avatar-poster will theory craft a set of graphs out of their ass and everyone will be able to have fun complaining for a while.

I'm with you on the Gamestop thing as a general RPG principle, though. When a shop like that exists, it implies that the shopkeeper gets enough business that they don't care about your individual custom, which means there must be lots of adventurers who could be buying that item and doing your job, which immediately makes your character less special.

>>55108484
Or just higher quality crossbows with increasing power-assist and insane draw-weights.

Could eventually have resulted in railguns that handle more like crossbows than like guns, sending high density fin-stabilized kinetic penetrators downrange as opposed to just little bullets.

>>55109079
and other munitions. They could basically be long range grenade launchers, a-la bowgun.

Wait, there's androids but not robots? This is an outrage!

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So reading through the setting section in the back of the CRB you'd think they could have put more shit in the rest of the book base don what they tell us. I mean, Necrografts are suppose to be cheaper alternatives to regular cybernetics. They lay out how certain classes can actually use the Icon status (i.e. being celebrities in death battles on Eox for example) not to mention all the different races they talk about but don't give stats for.

>>55109065
Remember when you could take your father's masterwork sword to the blacksmith and get it upgraded to +1?

>>55109065
>When a shop like that exists, it implies that the shopkeeper gets enough business that they don't care about your individual custom, which means there must be lots of adventurers who could be buying that item and doing your job, which immediately makes your character less special.

Billions of people throughout the Pact Worlds are buying and selling firearms, I doubt Ed Shirren right down the road is going to ogle your Tactical Magnetar Rifle like he would a Dimensional Slice Longsword.

>>55108806
WBL shows roughly what you should be worth in total at that level.

In other words it's a (rough) balancing point that includes things like having sold off (or lost) your old gear, finding treasure troves, and so on.

A character, early into level X (not necessarily immediately but a good while before levelling again) should be worth this much. It's useful for knowing if you've been a bit too generous or not generous enough, though there's always exceptions; particularly profit-minded parties can sometimes get quite a bit ahead of the curve (best thing to do then is to let the next couple of dungeons/adventures be a little longer so their levels catch up to their values... or you can just say fuck-it and not mind it; usually about +25% over the WBL is considered fine if you've got crafting feats and whatnot in the party)

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>>55109097
Damnit paizo, you had ONE job...

>>55109065
>Maybe give it a few months and see if anyone cares about this game after the novelty wears off.

As much as I want to see Starfinder become something I can regularly find games for, I hate to say I think the game's a dud. The CRB's been out for a couple weeks and the reception it's received on Myth-Weavers and Roll20 has been very lukewarm, and the long publishing times means any new, exciting things they do release cools down before the next one.

>>55109300
Agree. It's neat to look at, but I feel like the mechanics are at best competently executed.

It does make me think that we could do with an accessible RPG for generic sci-fi in the same way that DnD is babby's first fantasy RPG. The popular sci-fi RPGs I can think of (Shadowrun, Star Wars, 40k) are all quite specific with the setting that's baked into their rules, and the existing generic RPGs aren't class based.

Starfinder doesn't feel generic enough for that, though, even with its non-magic classes being pretty decently archetypal.

>>55109300
No, it's not the rules. It's not the publishing times.
It's the lack of titties on the cover. Pathfinder sold because of Seoni.
Starfinder has a blue-haired lesbian in a frumpy spacesuit.

>>55109917
Also Paizo art's 'lots of miscellaneous crap' character design looks worse in scifi, I feel.

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>>55109917
its the races.
all the races are shit except androids and lashunta
no one wants to play a cone head
no one wants to play a rat
no one wants to play a lizard
no one wants to play a roach

most of the races are actively disgusting. lizards, roaches, rats

>>55109917
Don't forget a generic "alt-girl" Android, a giant lizard-man and a fucking rat!

The system has no sense of internal consistency, it's throwing an amusement park of worlds in your face and, while that's perfectly acceptable (even more so than in Fantasy) it still requires some sort of unifying theme or tone to keep everything on the same page. Starfinder doesn't have that, the Swarm does not count and The Gap is most certainly the most painfully generic thing I've ever seen.

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>>55110170
>no one wants to play a cone head

I do.

But, okay, let's go with the rats, the lizards and the roaches sucking super hard. Tell me, what would you replace them with while retaining all the "cool" aspects of them? In other words, what "small-sized tinker race" would you replace the Ysoki with, or the "former hivemind race that gets off on personal decisions?"

The latter one feels like it could be a race of independent robots. Imagine how cool the Swarm might be if they're a rampant machine empire than Bugz.

>>55110170
I'm actually inclined to agree. After maintaining relatively high spirits flipping through the themes, once I got to races everything felt really flat.

I actually kinda like the roach people, but I don't even like the androids or the lashunta. Most of them are rubber-forehead aliens or less than subtly lifted from other sci-fi/fantasy.

To be fair, I'm the type of fag that's looking forward to playing a homebrew, 90s-anime space catgirl, but they're not making the choice hard.

>>55110211
>The Gap is most certainly the most painfully generic thing I've ever seen.
i like the gap, actually. it way more fun to just delete the human planet so that the entire universe is new and exciting. no one watns to read about the human planets history for 2000 years as the writers desperately try to justify how the world came to the cool setting they have now

>>55110246
Make the bugs into the smol tinkerers and the robots into the individualistic people recently freed from a hivemind.

And it's upon that point that you realize that Androids don't have anything going for them as a 'race'. They're just kinda nothing racially in addition to looking like nothing visually.

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>>55110290
>mfw you realize Androids exist solely for their non-conventional views on gender

>>55110312
And you could still do that if they were the individualists recently freed from a hivemind!

They will decide on every single aspect of themselves! What they look like, how they sound, how they act, the number of LIMBS THEY HAVE, even what if any point they want to approach gender from!

It would work so much better! Shirren's fierce individuality does everything androids have but better, but would work even well ON robots!

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>>55110246
nigga, you shitting me?
>replace rats with flying squirrels or otters, they are cute and have a fun movement ability
>replace roaches with pic related, their tentacles do the same magic phychic function as roach antanae

>>55110276
I too like The Gap. I'm OK with a setting that has questions with no canon answers. I also like Eberron for that reason.

>>55110312
Bollocks, they're there as an opt-in racism allegory. "Not slaves anymore but still mistreated in some places" lets you play a robot man who triumphs against adversity or one who just doesn't care and whose GM doesn't mention it. The gender stuff is, if anything, an accessory to the core option of playing Django Unplugged and shooting bigots in the dick.

I do think they're too conservative, rules wise. I wanted actual robot people. Why are they even called androids when they're basically Synths? Seriously, they eat? They eat, but don't breathe. Don't think too hard about that one.

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>>55110427
>I also like Eberron for that reason

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>>55110170
>Androids only interest me because their racial abilities are A+
>always, ALWAYS hated android fluff and "human with glowy lines" aesthetic in pathfinder, hate it even more here and am going to bug my GM for some kind of refluff
>Half-Elves are back to being "worse humans"
>Actual Elves are cool as fuck, but their racial abilities are complete ass compared to Androids
>nothing has ARTs anymore, because "fuck you lmao"
>the "new" races and rebranded Lashunta are all garbage
>the default point buy is a fucking joke

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Campaign set in the Azlanti Star Empire when?

>>55106617
I think that's why it isn't even in Beta yet.

We know of at least one game being run by the same guy who dropped the contents onto Facebook, he recruited here. If they follow their pattern, it'll be out for us to look at in a couple of months then publish about four more after that.

Here's hoping Specialist nabs some Dread and/or Tactician stuff.

>>55110488
>Default point buy

I mean, it comes out to 15 PB when you add things up, you can't blame Paizo for DMs being too foolish to run campaigns with 12-15 Point Buy.

>>55110488
>ARTs
whats that

>>55110535
Honestly the fact that it forces an odd score is more maddening than it being low. Here's hoping I can talk people into at least an 11 to even that out.

>>55110556
Alternate Racial Traits

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>>55110578
>mfw my DM did 11 point buy

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>>55110488
>always, ALWAYS hated android fluff and "human with glowy lines" aesthetic in pathfinder, hate it even more here and am going to bug my GM for some kind of refluff
I'm sort of OK with it. Mostly because I like Megaman Zero. I like the Mechanic class, but if I were invited to a game and we already had one my second choice would be Blitz Soldier and Zero-ing it the fuck up.

But yeah, they could be less human.

>>55110578
>Here's hoping I can talk people into at least an 11 to even that out.
Hell, why not cut out the ability scores entirely? Does this game even use the scores for anything other than increasing stats from 18 to 19? Just use ability modifiers. You have a total of 7 points. Nothing higher than a +4 at chargen, ignore your irrelevant race and theme modifiers. Go nuts.

The answer to "why not" is, as ever, Paizo being super-conservative with their design.

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>Introduced Starfinder to family and friends yesterday
>mfw already got two character concepts

Given the current material, do you guys think its worth taking a technomancer past level 15? Obviously we have to deal with
>Implying a campaign lasts past 15
But lets hedge our discussion on that theoretical scenario anyway. 6th level spells are shit and since metamagic feeds off a different resource now, I see no value in these higher level spell slots.

What would be the best 5 level dip to finish the class off?

>>55110696
Everyone fights, and combat feats scale with your character level, so I'd say Soldier. Might grab a level earlier on though, since it's a nicely frontloaded class.

>>55110601

Baby, I do 15.

>>55110535
>>55110488
h my fucking god I was flipping out over this before, then I thought I had it nailed down how to assuage my autism but that assumption was made using Pathfinder's system where you got 5 boosts not 4.

There is NO WAY TO AVOID HAVING AN ODD NUMBER.

If you make your power stat 18 (For 22 at the end), the odd number goes elsewhere.

If you make it 17, then you end up with 21 as your odd number.

If you make it 16, then it boosts to 18 and then at 21 again.

If you make all your ability scores sub-17 and keep them there, that'd work but it's a big spread...

It'd only work if... you put NO BOOST AT ALL on your main stat for one level.

Start at 16, boost to 18, skip one, boost to 19 and then 20.

Goddamnit.

>>55110785
degeneracy

>>55110785
Give me your Discord. Now.

>>55110794
Only thing I can think of it to use it to set a 13 for feat prereqs, assuming the feat isn't on your main stat.

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>>55093728
we. are. a. good. race. to. put. in. a. r. p. g.
they. are. relevent. and. totally. are. not. a. washed. up. 30. year. old. pop. culture. reference. from. a. bad. t. v. show.

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>>55093728
jesus, i just realized that doids get their dex bonus to armor. anyone have a justification for why you should use any drone other than hover?

>>55110945
Yes, but you can't have a 19 starting the game off.

Theme and race can't boost a stat over 19 to start with.

So if you want to not have that odd number, you NEED to take the 17, even though it's statistically almost identical to a 16.

So you're effectively giving up a stat point to satisfy autism you may or may not have. But an odd number doesn't help you ANYWAY. So the theme bonus may as well NOT EXIST.

IS THIS WHY THEY HAVE THE CHARACTER FLAWS RULE? SO YOU CAN JUST ARBITRARILY LOWER YOUR STATS FOR NO BENEFIT ELSEWHERE?

>>55111045
What if the theme bonus gave you +2, not +1?

>>55111025
You want to hang back and shoot while your droid gets into melee, and the combat bot has enough additional bonuses to make -2 AC be a trade-off rather than a crippling vulnerability.

>>55111117
That'd fix everything!

>>55111117
That'd resolve the issue. It's one of very few places where you even get a +1 to a stat. This game does not need ability scores when it could just have modifiers.

>>55111117
That's ridiculous! The mechanic that is meant to represent your character acquiring an innate talent towards something should not give you a modifier towards that thing!

>>55097002

I could imagine them as being Vampires. The upper levels of the !necromongers are actual OG vampires while everyone else is an aspirant of some sort or something in between that makes them stronger and durable than normal hence why they can wade into a fight with high tech soldiers with seemingly archaic suits of armor and weapons (even though they could and would use modern weapons and armor).

>>55110526
>I think that's why it isn't even in Beta yet.

Yeah, I'm not part of DSP but I'm doing some development myself class-wise. There is no way it's even stepping into beta until the bestiary is out, as right now the exact values for a lot of things with actual opponents (Kinda needed for combat) are far from able ot be mathed out.

>>55111288
Eoxian soldiers and starship are already equipped with hyper-advanced materials that look like bone and sinew, a mobile vampire cult who's had their aristocratic ears to the engineers of every major weapons manufacturer should have some equally frightening stuff.

>>55111389

Well that's the thing. I don't want them to be connected to Eox, I know they don't own or use the Corpse Fleet (maybe) but they shouldn't have the sole rights to everything undead in setting.

>>55110794

>There is NO WAY TO AVOID HAVING AN ODD NUMBER.

I'd have really preferred if themed didn't give +1 stat. My leaning would have been to have combined it a bit with pathfinder's traits and go 'You get X as a class skill (As they already do) and may use your primary stat for that skill rather than it's normal stat assignment). So a Soldier Icon is good at culture even without a heap of int for example.

>>55111407
I'm totes going to play an eoxian but I'm going to refluff him as my own type of undead.

>>55111423

I figure whatever undead trait they offer will be connected to Eox but then you still have wights, vampires, ghouls, and other types of intelligent undead. That said, it would be cool to see a ghost council similar to Orzavha

>Put stat in 15+2 racial+1 origin
>Put other in 15
>Get to level 5 becomes 19/17
>Get to level 10 becomes 20/18

WOW SO HARD U GUISE!
10 PB is fine, the level stat bumps more than make up for it specially since you get to raise so many stats.

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do androids poop?

>>55111451
I'm bitching about the theme bonus leaving you with a useless +1, not the pointbuy amount itself.

>>55111518
The guy you're replying to is a retard but you can use your leftover point to bump something to 11, raise it to 13 at level 5, then take a feat with a score prerequisite.

That's probably the intended use for it. I'm definitely going to be running at 11pb or 13pb myself though.

>>55111451
The issue here isn't "10 PB is bad", it's that uneven scores are funky as shit and the forced odd score before 18 fucks with math when a 17 and a 16 function completely identically, and you are FORCED to have an odd score in the sub-18 range due to the fact that themes tack that +1 on.

You could make an android operative with pilot theme, for example, and give him 18 Dex, so 5 of your point buy. You could throw the last 5 points into either Int or Con, but you could ALSO throw that 1 point into Cha or Str, and the rest of the 4 PB into Int/Con and... Have the same net result on your overall ability score modifiers at the end of the day.

>>55111407
No no, sorry if I made it sound like they'd be a subset of Eox, I just meant that "seemingly archaic" armor and weaponry could actually be more advanced than the stuff their foes are wielding.

And what if their troopers are given gene therapy or augmented with chemicals and/or nanomachines? Drugs laced with OG vampire blood could be very potent (and highly addictive, if you want to get Jem'Hadar up in this.)

>>55110960
Love the idea of a four armed race, but their heads are just too weird for me, and this is coming from someone who loves Shirren. I'll probably just make them more like Asuras for my homebrew setting.

>>55111630
I kind of like them four armed tall space waifus though. I would totes be down to date them over a matter of years before they open up to me and let me see their mouth probably going to look like that of the protoss but eh mystery is an alluring thing.

Also I kind of like them being hairless, it forces the artist to make the women just as appealing but in different ways instead of these retarded neon stripes thats everywhere.

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>>55111577

I see what you mean and I like that idea. Vampires creating a special nano potion out of their blood that buffs you up but also makes you completely addicted and compliant to the one who's blood you drank.

Now imagine the blood drunk nobility having to ensure their vampire masters are properly fed so they can continue to receive these blood potions. I'm imagining a fuedal style society where every noble is tasked with bringing blood and other resources to their masters.

If in the end, both threads have the same shitposters and audience, what was the point of killing /pgg/ and stop a cancer from taking over three~four spots on the catalog?

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>>55093728
Hey, I've got a rules clarification question. When the class abilities "Stellar Rush" and "Charge Attacl
both say
>make a charge without the penalties
does that simply mean without the -X to hit, or does it also refer to lifting the requirement to move at-least 10 ft? TLDR: would those abilities, as written, technically let you charge someone you're already adjacent to? This wouldn't usually be advantageous, but there are at-least a few situations where this would be useful.

>>55111799
I haven't been to the Pathfinder side of things since the split, but except for thread wars bullshit, /sfg/ including this particular thread are almost entirely mechanical discussion.

>>55110170
>no one wants to play as a lizard
What's not to love of a huge fucking lizard clad in heavy armor bursting through doors like the a rugby player that just saw the koolaid ads

>>55111801
That's a restriction, not a penalty.

>>55111799
Because the threads don't have the same audience you donk.

Some people don't give a shit about starfinder. Some people here don't play pathfinder but are still curious about Star.

And the two game systems share a lot of terminology despite being very different, so mooshing both into one thread just complicated things.

>>55109300
I wouldn't really call Starfinder a dud. Rather, it's getting the average, maybe an above average launch for a roleplaying game system.

DnD editions and Pathfinder are outliers. Even for relatively big names like Games Workshop or White Wolf Publishing, launches are usually pretty quiet in a hobby like tabletop.

>>55111785
It's actually very simple when you think about it; the King is a Pre-Gap Vampire who creates Dukes who create Counts, and throughout all these stages you get "Knights" who are the blood-drunk landed types who supply their Lords with blood, and in exchange are given the nano-potions, lands to rule and subjects to harvest.

>>55112117
Some ideas based on this.

The king was relatively low on the totem pole as far as vampires go back in Pre-Gap Golarion. As space travel begins to pick up he decides to try his luck else where away from the elder vampires who are loath to give up their stations.

The Gap happens. In the 300 years leading up to the present the Vampire is building up his resources siring other loyal vampires and taking advantage of the business owners who are looking for immortality.

Now he has what amounts to a solar system under his control with various Dukes/Counts/Knights rulling these few planets in his stead from his asteroid turned castle.

>>55112214
Bonus idea; the asteroid is in fact a slice of Golarion sheared off the surface with the vampire's ancestral castle and immediate lands on it. It is therefore not only a formidable holding, but a place of great and terrible power filled with secrets and lost history begging to be rediscovered.

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>>55112273

Perfect. There are or would be artifacts that he doesn't remember being there but uses it as collateral when dealing with various factions looking for pre-Gap relics. Hell, he might even hire adventurers to try and explore parts of it when the whim hits him.

Also, to keep things interesting, while he doesn't remember anything pre-gap he still hates stagnation (in spite of the fact he's now in the position he wanted back then) so probably engineers shack-ups within his own ranks to keep things fresh and give Knights a chance to advance up the ranks until he does it again.

>>55111456
Androids poop perfumed oil, anon.

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>>55112337

What would life be like under these feudal space vampires? Do they prefer humans or is xeno blood just as delicious? Do they even allow Xenos to become vampires or join their ranks?

In my mind I'm kind of reminded of Arcadia from FF12 which had majority of humans in their power structures and their military.

If the Knights/Counts/Dukes are allowed to own businesses maybe their employees are made to live in enclaves they own for example.

>>55112337
>The human serfs of the solar system learn to dread the sight of a bloated ghoul star that hangs in their night sky every year, the king's castle in orbit to collect his tithe of blood and chattel.

>>55112485

>The collection halls are surprisingly clean and sterile.
>There are no windows in the facility of course but then daylight is sparse, to begin with.
>It is a "holiday" and everyone is given the day's leave as long as you report for the tithe. It is a simple matter, the doctors and nurses man various beds and work quickly and efficiently to check upon the health and status of every citizen before their tithe of blood is drawn.
>In the far corner of the facility is a simple desk where the Lord Saydra sits in her ceremonial armor flanked by two soldiers as she oversees the procedure.
>One would think this a dystopian nightmare and I will be the first to admit that the lack of true sun took some getting used to. Then again, at least here I have some worth where I had none in the Spike of Absalom. A little blood and coin is a small price to pay for a job and decent house and food for once.

>>55112549
Medical expert vampire nobles? Could earn a reputation as the best surgeons and pharmaceuticals.

Not one drop spilt in waste.

>>55112569

That could be one of their primary exports. So you'd see a lot of medically inclined Envoys and Mystics as well as Akashic (people to maintain the vast libraries of knowledge for the king) and technomancers and mechanics for the nano-technology.

Hell, the Kingdom could very well be a vast Umbrella corporation in charge of numerous smaller corporations

>>55112624
>tfw I'm tempted to write this up for the Paizo forums, just because this is too good of an idea for those chucklefucks not to steal

>>55112569
God dammit, why am I digging the mental image of vampires in medical scrubs this much.

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>>55112710
>>55112804
Because it's fucking awesome that's why

>>55112569

>The citizens are corporate citizens. While the various executive heads of various businesses maintain their fuedal system and treat the various corporate enclaves as such life for the average citizen is surprisingly normal all things considered.
>They are not restricted from accessing various forms of media or buying or importanting goods from the Pact Worlds and allies.
>However, they are commanded to stay in good health and as part of their work routine are given an allotment of time for various physical activities as mandated in their contract.
>Failure to maintain the desired level of health could result in punitive actions such as enforced diets.
>Further failures and anything that can result in "fouling" one's blood can lead to a number of various punishments including re-training for more dangerous tasks and labors or worst being made into a Servitor.
> An alternative source for blood also comes from accepting prisoners from other governments. In exchange for a number of years in statis where they will be farmed for their blood they can be offered the chance at work and citizenship within the Enclaves but there is no promise that such prisoners will ever finish their time as they also may be subject to numerous medical experiments as well for corporate interests but such is the price one pays for potential "freedom"

>>55111423

Chosen Undead
Ashen One
Feeble Cursed One

>>55109167
>not to mention all the different races they talk about but don't give stats for
The book is already over 500 pages, and they likely want *something* to put into the later books. Expect to double the PC-capable races in October.

>>55109576
>and the existing generic RPGs aren't class based
Old religious argument, not going to reopen it.

>>55110516
With the campaign tagline for Dead Suns, I was expecting it to lead there.

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How would I go about making a Dracula 3000 campaign? Basically Curse of Strahd in space.

>>55113267
sounds like you got it. Add laser poles and blasters and youre good to go

>>55113322
This gon' be fun. Never thought watching that horrendous movie would have ever been a good thing

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>Claims to be one of the best light armors in the system
>It actually is one of the best light armors in the system

>>55113453

And you take issue with this?

>>55113484
Quite the opposite, I like the implication that the best light armor your duelist can wear looks like normal clothes.

>>55113484
It's Paizo, people will take offense for less reason than that, especially if they haven't read the book, even more often misread the book.

>>55112441
Vampire hunter D does this exceptionally well.

>>55093728
Anyone got comparison charts for Light>Heavy>Power armour at various levels? I'm going to be making various tiers of the power armours shown so that a player in my game can actually use them and stay relevant in armour level as we go, and I'll need a rough comparison of the KAC/EAC for each level of armour to get an idea of what scores to give it.

>>55113484
I think it's more surprise that something that says it's the best is ACTUALLY THE BEST. Paizo does not have a good track record for "what the fluff says" matching "actual mechanics"

>TFW you realize that Vult is going to be the first one to actually run a starfinder game for /sfg/

>>55111414
Remember, all prereq scores are at odd numbers.

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>>55113484
>>55113501
>>55113504
>>55113528

I'm noticing Androids have made many of the best heavy armors in the system, honorable mention goes to the Vesk (who also produce the best) and Eoxian "Steelbones," which is high-level heavy armor designed to look like a ribbed corpse.

The best heavy armor in the game, however, is the Aegis, unique among all heavy armors for having minimal or nonexistent visors, using instead audio/video feed to let the soldier know what's going on outside.

>>55110696
I've run games into level 30+ in PF. if your baby GM can't handle games lasting more than a few levels, go back to 4e where they don't have to think.

>>55113586
>level 30+
>pf
What

>>55114452
Yeah, you can do that in PF. The rules for beyond level twenty need a few boosts to certain feats, but by and large, it's simple to manage. Most importantly, unless it states it caps at 20, class bonuses continue past 20.

>>55114587
>Yeah, you can do that in PF.
Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

>>55110696
>>55110755
I think the best would be
3 Soldier
1 Mystic
16 Technomancer
Just because you get good abilities at those cutoff points(in my opinion)

Okay so for the Destiny homebrew idea, does anyone have any suggestions on how to seperate Hand Cannons and Side Arms?

Because all one arm pistols are the same and none look "revolver" like.

>>55115474

Increase damage, decrease range.

Can only reload Dex mod bullets per reload action. Unless you have a speed loader.

>playing sjw trash

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>>55115499

have a present. you're clearly upset.

>>55115474

Could give them Unwieldy. That solves the 'Making bigger pistols makes operatives too powerful' issue as they can't use Unwieldy weapons to Trick Attack/Multiattack.

So a Hand Cannon is a pistol that deals a load more damage but can't be fired as fast.

>>55115535

Doesn't that just make the Operative class useless then if they want to use a Hand Cannon?

>>55115546

They've got a shit tonne of other pistol options (And they'll still hit harder than basically anyone else with a pistol due to Trick Attack). The Operative is a class with a lot of inbuilt restrictions in exchange for a huge amount of non-weapon damage. Weapon choice is not an advantage of theirs.

Right now Pistols have the issue that they need to suck because if they make a pistol worth using for non-operatives, Operatives skyrocket in power (When they are already pretty comparable to Soldiers while also being skillmonkeys). So making better pistols inherently ends up with the question 'So how do we keep Operatives from using them'

>>55115605

So would you suggest giving them like say, long arm damage, but just be one handed but take time to reload?

And not be an operative weapon or something? I get what you're saying but I don't want to punish the player who wants to go with a revolver option.

>>55115605
Not to spout muh realism in a thread about playing pretend, but pistols just aren't as strong as long guns. They can't be. They use smaller projectiles at lower velocity with less energy. This is for both mechanical reasons and for the comfort of the shooter. Now, I understand in a scifi setting that anything can be anything, but if you have a pistol that can do X damage, a rifle using the same technology will always do 2X damage because you can simply fit more of said techno-weaponry onto a bigger platform. Of course pistols are inferior in terms of numbers, you'd be violating physics if they weren't.

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Ehhh, i just imagine the Semi auto pistols being a Mateba with a 9 round cylinder.

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>>55115688

I'M GOING BLADES AND BULLETS ON EVERY CHARACTER, AND NONE OF YOU CAN STOP ME.

Though a slightly above CR enemy might.

>>55115688

I mean sure I could just fluff them as being the same, but I imagine that they'd be a TAD stronger?

Trying to think of a good middle ground. Maybe shorter range and storage size?

>>55115631

I'd say longarm damage (The extra range will still give people a reason to go longarms but not make it the first feat everyone without longarm spec wants) and either make them Unweildy or give them a useful keyword that also includes 'Not an operative weapon'.

Like say:

>Hand Cannon: This weapon benefits from weapon specialisation as if it was a longarm but cannot be used with abilities that only work with small arms.

>>55115654

Yes but the difference is so very large that right now 'Get longarms' is the first feat that Envoys, Technomancers, Mystics and Engineers should get no questions asked. It's not that longarms shouldn't have an edge it's that pistols are pissing in the wind compared to rifles as you level up. Remember, they not only get smaller range and less damage dice they also only get 1/2 weapon spec to damage so a rifle has +10 damage over a pistol before a single die is rolled at high levels.

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>>55115733
>>55115688

Mateba is weird dude.

>>55115767
Man, I didn't do the math until now but while the difference between one-handed melee and two-handing comes out to less than 5 damage at any given range, we're looking at about 30 damage loss per hit on the best small arm vs long arm.

>>55115746
A magnum handgun when compared to a standard handgun will have a lower capacity, heavier recoil, a heavier weight, and will take longer for follow up shots. In the case of revolvers they are often more accurate due to a fixed sight, a fixed barrel, and a much better trigger pull.

>>55115767
The point I'm trying to make is that in a realistic scenario, you never want a pistol over a rifle when you know you're going to be fighting. The NLY advantages a pistol confer over a long arm is that they can be used one handed if need be and they are easier to carry. I'd say pistols should be relegated to skill monies for mechanical reasons, not because they can make the pistol magically do more damage. Let them do other things in the turn besides just attacking. It may not seem important or logical at first, but being able to push buttons or unplug wires while still being able to shoot will make up for reduced damage in terms of game balance.

>>55115860
You want a pistol when you're an operative.

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>>55115688
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9u7x?Starfinder-Society-Roleplaying-Guild-Quest-Into-the-Unknown

>mercenaries are CR 1/2 and totally unarmored, have HP 13

>tactical semi-auto pistol sucks, targets KAC, deals only 1d6 damage, pathetic increment 30 feet

>fighting totally unarmored CR 1/2 mercenary
>shoot mercenary with tactical semi-auto pistol

>CRIT!
>MAX DAMAGE CRIT!
>12 damage!

>CR 1/2 mercenary still standing with 1 HP

Why do semi-auto tactical pistols suck so much? Are they 9mm?

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How do you prevent a captured caster from casting spells?

>>55115860

Well gotta remember I'm trying to fluff this as Destiny weapons.

Handguns are a primary weapon that are more single, shorter range but powerful shots that if you're accurate with do some real hurting. But low rate of fire and weapon storage size of course.

Side Arms are faster, lighter, and held more of a magazine size, but do less damage.

>>55115892
The question to ask is why though? Is it just because operative buffs pistols and manages to get them on par with rifles? Cool, who gives a shit. Do literally anything else and just take a rifle. Is there a mechanical and/or plot based reason they would want to take an objectively inferior weapon due to its two points of superiority?

>>55115900

Maybe .22 LR is a popular pistol round in the future?

I would say they're shitty glocks but they don't double as grenades so that's clearly not it.

>>55115909

Gags, sensory deprivation and headphones with random noises to distract them and keep them from concetrating along with minor electrical shocks (not enough to cause injury so much as random muscle spasms and surprise).

Long term containment will probably mean other means such as a focused anti-magic beam/zone or some kind of drug/poison that prevents use of spellcasting that has to be administered regularly

>>55115860

>I'd say pistols should be relegated to skill monies for mechanical reasons, not because they can make the pistol magically do more damage. Let them do other things in the turn besides just attacking. It may not seem important or logical at first, but being able to push buttons or unplug wires while still being able to shoot will make up for reduced damage in terms of game balance.

Except you take no less time to shoot a pistol as anything else. You can't actually do anything else while firing a pistol. That and it's not generally good design to go 'Literally everyone wants to take this one feat as it makes you better at everything'.

Pistols are not even appreciably cheaper. If you are buying a rifle, you can't afford to also have a pistol.

>>55115910

You could make Hand Cannon an actual weapon category and say 'Anyone proficient in side arms is proficient in Hand Cannons'. Along with say, SMGs being a new category that anyone proficient in longarms is also proficient in.

>>55093728
new thread
>>55116044
>>55116044
>>55116044
>>55116044
>>55116044

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>>55116048

>>55116035

SMGs typically use pistol rounds

>>55116072
You keep doing this and it doesn't work, I'd bump the other one just to spite you.

>>55116083

its a cool OP image to be sure. But its page 4. Gotta have standards.

>>55116035

Sure, I could just do that, but I figured I gotta come up with some sort of "inbetween" of a pistol and a long arm.

I'm still not sure if they should be operative weapons or not, I can see that being OP, but I admit I dont know much about the supposed inherent OPness of Operative Pistols already existing, that I see people complain about.

>>55116083

>SMGs typically use pistol rounds

Yes but the handling bears a lot more resemblance to rifles than pistols. SMGs would likely work very well as lower damage than rifles but better autofire (Using only 1/4 of the magazine rather than all, for example) to give them a mechanical role.

>>55116124

You don't need to create a whole no weapons classification for that. That would be needlessly complicated.

You can adjust the size and rate of fire on pistols to achieve the same effect or just say that certain pistols can chamber rifle rounds.

>>55116048
Page fucking 4.

>>55116161

>You can adjust the size and rate of fire on pistols to achieve the same effect or just say that certain pistols can chamber rifle rounds.

You do though, or otherwise they become the best operative weapon and start outdoing soldiers (When soldiers don't also have skill monkeying). Either a new weapon category or a keyword or such.

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I'm working over a home-brew race and I want a little help striking a good balance. Overtuned is probably better than undertuned, so assume somebody's gonna try and turn my admittedly ugly baby into a munchkin'd monster and we'll work back from there.

There's really no beating around the bush, they're conceptually catfolk, maybe with some actual goddamn purpose. I'm playing around with a psuedo-rage mechanic (somewhat to make up for the apparent lack in the core rules, somewhat for the hell of it).

To line up with other non-human races, they need 2 more traits (possibly only 1 if Scent is split off).

https://pastebin.com/sHYEYcT3

> pistols are pissing in the wind compared to rifles

It's like my space games are realistic!

That's probably why pistols are for the non-combat-focused classes.