If Horus had not fallen to the ruinous power how noblebright

>>55087387
Magnus has his ass firmly set on the golden throne keeping the human webway open.

I really don't know what the other 17 primarchs would be doing in these 10 thousand years.

The Emperor grand plan of elevating humanity to a fully psychic race free from the perils of warp through eungenics, would certainly makes thing rough to the normal Imperial citizen.

The Mechanicus is what I'm most interested after conquering the whole the Emperor would certainly try to deal with their little cult, and thing could get really bad reallt fast.

Lorgar becomes the archtraitor instead.

The Gods wouldn't stop trying for revenge.

>>55087547
>would certainly makes thing rough to the normal Imperial citizen.

Why?

>>55087559
>hey you we have analyzed your genes and we seem that the chance of mutant deviantion for your offspring is over 10% you will be sterelyzed immediatly.

It already happens in current 40k but in this timeline is more efficient.

>>55087550
I can see it but his betrayal would be much smaller and would certainly be dealt with rather fast.

>>55087547
On the subject of humanity awakening it's psychic potential how would the eldar react?
Would they finnally see us as equals or would they still call us Monkeigh but this time is behind our backs.

Or maybe there would be none left to act smug

>>55087643
They would act smug even when begging for mercy.

>>55087690
>Our forces were decimated in the first assault and the craftworld is lost, a dozen of non augmented humans did this, still gonna act smug even though.

I can see it.

>>55087387
If Horus is infalliable, than the Chaos Gods will wish to break his spirit. And the only way to do that, is to make him kill his own family.

Since Lorgar will write off Horus as impossible to turn, he puts more attention else where.

We know for certain that Fulgrim, Magnus, Angron and Konrad are all fucked. Fulgrim is tainted by the sword of the Laer, Angron has the nails, Konrad is already crazy, and Magnus has already been intwined by Tzneetches plot.

Now, as fpr the rest, Mortarion has the ticking time bomb of Typhus in his raks, whose itching for a chance to fuck his primarch over and embrace Nurgle.

Perturabo pretty much hates everyone, and only really has Horus. If his views of Horus were soured, by say, Lorgar or Daemons, than he would have very little reason to stay Loyal.

Now, as for the loyalists.

Russ and Khan were very unknown factors. Although loyal, they could easily jump the gun, or be fooled by the actions of the traitors. The wolves have Fenris; and if by some mistake or plot, Fenris was destroyed by Imperial Hand, they would turn. Persay, maybe a twist of fate, Exterminatus is launched upon it. Khan is similiar; if forced into cornered posistion, than he will eventually fall into a feeling of uselessness. Perhaps have him recalled to Chorgis, and provide Slaaneshi influence. He has always been weak to the pleasures of the hunt and revenge.

Sanguinius must temper his soul, less he succumb to the red thirst likes his sons. If he was wounded in a way like Horus was, he could possibly be over taken by Khorne.

Gulliman is a bit arrogant, and a logical thinker. By using those traits, he may not fall, but he may be willing to enact a sort of "Temporary" empire that is apart from the Imperium. Especially if he begins to writhe under the Emperor's rules and illogical commands.

Only Dorn and the Lion are infalliable to the Emperor; too plain or too single minded. Alpharius Omegron are too loyal to Horus to betray him.

>>55087615
They could grab Magnus first with the help of Tzeentch.

Horus was afraid to fight Magnus.

>>55087816
Magnus might not be fucked he would certainly be scolded by not following the dictate but only when prospero burned he turned.
I can see the Emperor bringing him back to Terra after he discover that Magnus still is using his power but he is such a fundamental part of his plan that I don't think he would pursue further action against him.

>>55087816
Vulkan can, and will, slaughter those he hates. The Eldar are his most feverant hatred. He may be passionate, but passions can be turned against ones self. Perhaps his hate for Eldar and brother hood is taken to the extreme, and the Promethean cult becomes corrupted?

Ferrus Manus... Fuck, I dunno, hes probably loyal. Or maybe corrupted? If hes slowly indoctrinated, and perhaps corrupted by fulgrim, he could fall. But it would have to be a slow, evil turning.

I think some specific actions and events would need to take place, but if Lorgar could sneak around and corrupt certain Primarchs, he could turn far more than he actually did.

But the funny part?

None of them would come close to matching Horus. If put against him, Horus would win, despite all the powers of the Warp. He would know how they think, how they would strike, how they would fight. He would out think, out plan, and simply out fight them at every turn.

At the end of the day, Horus would win, surrounded by his dead brothers and perhaps even his father. But he would win. There is no question.

At what cost though? The toll of watching his brothers fall, and than slain. The pain of seeing his father and their empire rot. The pressure of being the obvious next in line for the Emperor.

The Imperiun would survive, with Horus at its head. But it would be smaller, and more centralized. Perhaps only slightly bigger than its core. And Horus would be the lonely, broken man, with no one else to turn to.

>>55087920
Magnus was fucked the moment he thought that making a deal with Tzneetch was advisable. He doomed his sons, his planet, his people and himself. Whether it be through the Changeling or his other pawns, he would be corrupted, and set against the Emperor.

Perhaps upon learning what his fate entailed, his will would waver, and he would lash out, breaking the webway. Or perhaps he still learns ofthe betrayal, and does the same.

>>55087935
Fulgrim had several clones of ferrus made and every single one of them stayed loyal to the emperor

>>55087983
Because each of them knew instinctively that Fulgrim had killed him. The lack of his hands, the feeling of betrayal, etc. If he were to perhaps craft him a similiar weapon to that of the Laer blade, he would fall as well. He trusted Fulgrim up to the moment he learned of his betrayal. If he never openly betrayed him till Ferrus was turned, who knows?

>>55087816
But with pure Horus doing his work as he should have done it wouldn't the Emperor have ebough time to finish the webway project and then take a closer look to the primarchs that were almost falling to chaos.

>>55088040
We have no idea how long it would have taken for the Emperor to complete his work; and at the point of when he left to complete his webway, Konrad, Angron and a few others were already damned. Besides, if Magnus could breach the Webway with Psychic might, than maybe another primarch could do so as well.


In this Scenario, perhaps as Sanguinius falls and his psychic powers are oblitterated by Khorne, he sends a psychic shriek to his father for help.

Or Typhus, instead of leading Mortarion into Nurgles Garden, ends up crashing his ship With no survivors into the webway

I always wondered if the Emprah was keeping the Void Dragon for a purpose.
If there was no Horus Heresy maybe the Dragon could fit in the big E's anti-warp policy.
Idk use the C'tan as allies against the ruinous powers or to build anti-warp tech like the necron pylons.
In the long run he could even destroy the eye of terror and the maelstrom with it.

>>55088169
>I always wondered if the Emprah was keeping the Void Dragon for a purpose.

He literally couldn't kill it and didn't want to have it wandering around.

Still waiting on the Admech schism and Necron-friendly techpriests with living metal everywhere.

>>55087882
source?

>>55087935
this one post is infinitely better AU than those stupid fucking Warmasters Triumvirate threads.

With the webway project finished and the great crusade accomplished i think the Emperor could look at each primarch problem and work to help them, he couldn't simply dispose of them so easily the primarchs took a lot of time to invest.

We would probably call the Heresy something else as well.

Perhaps a Primarch Insurrection or Lorgar's Folly.

>>55087387
Fagnus would still fuck up and the Lion and Fulgrim still go traitor.

After the Great Crusade was successfully over the he space marines and the Primarchs would be fazed out the same way as the Thunder Warriors did in the past. With the exception of Magnus I don't think they would serve a purpose anymore.
Then the Emperor would probably introduce some new form of post-human soldiers more apt to guard the empire.

>>55088719
>lion
>traitor
Loyalty is it's own reward.

>>55088771
The Lions greed would have caused him to turn

>>55088489
That's because for some goddamn reason every AU 40k project begins by creating 20 brand-new donutsteel primarchs instead of working off of what already exists.
(Unless somehow the Triumvirate is the one time we didn't do that; somehow, I doubt it.)

>>55088825
Nah. Lion is too loyal to give in to greed. He's one of the few primarchs who absolutely doesn't give a fuck about glory or prestige. He just does shit because he's a bit of an altruist, much like Sanguinius, Vulkan or Guilliman.

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>>55087387
It would be as bright as the flash of thirteen barrels of doom available for every Solar Auxilia regiment throughout the Galaxy.

It would be as noble as having an social class system based on your psychic power, from the untouchable pariahs all the way up to the alpha caste.

Vulkan would transform his legion into a multistellar engineering force. They would be space marines through and through, but dedicating their time to create the Dyson Swarms needed to house the future humans. Once the Tyranids appeared, they would direct a star's entire output to literally vaporize their Hive Fleets light-years away.

Ferrus Manus is still trying to figure out how to control the Void Dragon through his hands. He managed to fashion a fragment of it in his frigate-sized dragon mount.

Perturabo would be allowed to have a hobby based on building non-gothic hives every bit as magnficient as the palace-fortresses of India, Gaudi-like in the outside and hardened against orbital bombardment in the inside. Sea-sized swimming pools which also serve as recycling systems and emergency cisterns. He is even more creepy when happy.

Angron and his legion are dumped into an orky planet and left to butcher it all. The fight becomes so immense that WAAGHS move towards it. 10K years later, no one knows if he's still alive, but the orks continue to gather there. Culling Crusades are formed once every millenia, requiring entire legions, phospex bombs and fleets just to maintain the orkoids in acceptable levels. The planet's mass increased 10% due to the upper surface being made of scraps. Russ and Khan would only come back from their never-ending expeditions against Tomb Worlds, Dark Eldars and xenos at the Halo Stars to join this.

Sanguinius, Dorn, Horus, Guilliman and the Lion would each command a Segmentum.

At the same time, I can see >>55087547 and >>55087550 happening.

>>55087643 They would each human based on his or her psychic power, respecting our top 1% and that's it.

>>55088719
t. Wolffucker

>>55088906
He threw a bitch fit when he wasnt named warmaster and gave deadly siege guns to Pert in an attempt to bribe him.

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>>55088996
Giod on

>>55089050
He hardly threw a bitch fit. He got over it pretty quick when it turned out Horus was actually an amazing Warmaster.

>>55088748
Space Marines getting phased out I could see, but the primarchs were clearly a much longer term investment. I'm not sure I agree with the accepted theory that each primarch was designed for a specific role to play in the in the post-crusade imperium, but Empy must have had some plans for them.

>>55089162
He undermined Horus every chance he got. Horus said so to his personal remembrancer.

>>55089182
He had a plan for them, he had a huge suite of apartments for them all to live together after the galaxy was won

>>55087387
Still shit.

The fundamental problem of the 30k Imperium remains; the Emprah wants humanity to rule itself, but he created literally legions of posthumans who think they're entitled to rule it for their service in the Great Crusade.

The space marines, to put it bluntly, were never intended to survive past their usefulness. They were gonna get Thunder Warrior'd eventually, and if the Primarchs didn't accept it there'd be another civil war.

Plus, eventually the Emperor would have turned on the Mechanicus, causing another galaxy-wide civil war.

Even if there's no Horus Heresy, it's inevitable that the Imperium has a massive clusterfuck of a civil war and things get Grimdark.

>>55088846
It wasn't. Yet another promising AU ruined by OC donutsteel primarchs.

>>55089238
I remember that apartments thing. It was a weirdly comfy moment for me - that for all the Emperor's callousness towards his sons, he still somehow wanted everyone to live together as a family.

>>55088961
I mean after 10000 years of eugenics and with an efficient means of transportation wouldn't most of humanity consist of alpha psykers.
And what about Fulgrim with the daemon in the sword dealt with i can see going around the Imperium with his legion being artists and archtects.
What a clean blood angels and Sanguinius do then? Maybe just look really bishi for the fujos?!

>>55088121
>Besides, if Magnus could breach the Webway with Psychic might,
But he couldn't, he needed help from chaos to

>>55089318
>I remember that apartments thing. It was a weirdly comfy moment for me - that for all the Emperor's callousness towards his sons, he still somehow wanted everyone to live together as a family.

It was the one thing he desired dedo down a family.

I like to think the Tau would exist and the Emperor would put a Harrier around the first 50 worlds they colonize and make a little reserve to show humanity how pathetic the Xenos are compared to his galatic expanding empire psychic ubermansch.

>>55089357
An emperor who wants to conquer the entire galaxy and fuck off back to Terra and do nothing but hang out with his kids all the time is the emperor I want to read about.

>Am I getting any closer to those grandkids, Corax?
>Daaaad, I told you I'm focusing on my poetry right now!

>>55089357
*Deep down

>>55087387
Civil War was inevitable either way.

SMs and some Primarchs were going to be put down at the end of the Great Crusade. Most Primarchs would not have went along with this.

Mechanicum is the Mechanicum.

>>55089318
This can't possibly still be canon, is it?

>>55089296
It's weird; I often complain about how the HH told us too much about the Primarchs, and now the lore of the setting revolves around them more then I'd like. But at the same time, I just do not understand the impulse to toss them out every time someone wants to make an alternate version. Makes no sense to me.

>>55087643
>On the subject of humanity awakening it's psychic potential how would the eldar react?
If the Heresy never happens the Eldar would be extinct or nearly extinct outside of a few craftworlds by the time humanity becomes a fully psychic race. Remember the Emperor was still firmly anti-xenos and outright genocidal.

>>55089575
I can see the exodites and most of the craftworld gone, but i've heard somewhere that the Imperium was trying to put the eldar under vassalage though It might have been fanfic.
Also the Dark Eldar would certainly be fucked even with Commorragh being inside the webway.

>>55089531
Cannon as recently as Deliverance Lost

>>55088489
>>55088846
>>55089296
Sure is a lot "I hate Fun" in these posts.

>>55089749
nah, we just hate your kind of fun.

>>55089749
>too fucking lazy to build an army, paint it, and fluff it out
>sits around on a website all day making up new mary sues because working with the already-existing setting is haaaaaaaaaard
>fun
I miss Elf slave wat do.

>>55089954
He will come back one day we gotta believe it.

>>55089954
>>too fucking lazy to build an army, paint it, and fluff it out
Sweet assumption fuck face. I have 1800 points in marines and 2000 in Nids. And that's not counting the armies I'm planning out based on non-AU /tg/ homebrews.

>>sits around on a website all day making up new mary sues because working with the already-existing setting is haaaaaaaaaard
Working up a nearly entirely new timeline is vastly harder than simply inserting your snowflakes into the setting. You have to account for all changes and repurcusions therein. We like to make new Primarchs so that we aren't shackled to the rigidity of the OU Primarchs, and have more variables to play around with. And in the case of /w3/, pretty much all the Primarchs are either deeply flawed or are cunts either at their inception or through their character arcs.

>I miss Elf slave wat do.
Your time can't come soon enough.

>>55090226
No Fun wat do

>>55090226
Autism

>>55090226
Let's not fill up thread of a decent conversation about the Primarchs and the 40k general with an argument about whose version of fanfic is better, lads.

>>55088679
Lorgar's Folly is pretty balling if it is a minor thing, just the Word Bearers and one or two others.

>>55088121
As a general rule of thumb, each god should get an equal number of Primarchs as the other. So, unless Angron and Lorgar suddenly lost the potential bromance, Angron's still his. Fulgrim and Magnus are also fucked before anyone can do anything in this timeline. Mortarion could end up in a Dark Angels situation with Typhus being his Luther.

>>55087935
Sounds pretty dope.

>>55089428
I don't think the Emperor would be able to kill the space marine the same as he did with the thunder warriors

>>55090321
A, a poignant and well measured response. Well done, you've done your part in improving board quality to be sure

The human webway would allow the Imperium to be much more centralized and a lot more homogenous the distinct cultures of each planet would be much less pronounced as Terran culture takes hold and terraforming becomes more widespread a galatic paradise mantained this way by the Emperor and Magnus.

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>>55087387
This noblebright.

>>55087935
In a case where Horus ends up alone and broken at the head of the Imperium, how would the Emperor end up incapacitated ?
Which Primarchs do you think would be able to overcome him ?
I guess a beefed-out Sanguinius drunk on khorne-juice could do the trick
Ultimately I think it would be several of the traitors going all out on him at the same time

Now a general question:
You are given up to 4 primarchs to defeat the Emperor, which do you pick ?

>>55090841
But i don't want primarch daughters I want them to have imoutos.

>>55090696
Autism

>>55088961
that fucking Angron aftermath... it gives me a manly sad rage boner.

>>55091045
Angron, Russ, Lion and Sanguinius for the sheer deployment of martial prowess and bishounen rivalry involved

>>55091045
Russ
Magnus
Horus
Angron

Meme version replace Horus with Vulkan since he cant die

>>55091356
I think he can, he just doesn't stay that way very long

>>55091045
>Curze
>Lorgar
>Magnus
>Corax
They're gonna kill him with disappointment

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>>55091410

>>55087387
If horus hadn't fallen and became Arch-traitor, the title would have gone to somebody else.

Lrogar was already balls deep in Chaos. Kor Phaeron, Erebus, and Typhus were all doing their thing in the background. Angron sure as fuck wasn't gonna play nice with Emps if shit was getting stirred up. Fulgrim was off on his pretentious little excursion and got corrupted all on his own, mostly independent of Horus. And so on.

There's no shortage of shit that could go tits-up even if Horus wasn't part of it.

>>55091441
But without these separate agents would not have common ground to stay together, making the task to eliminate them much more easier.

>>55087387
Okay. Let's play with that. Horus dies on Davin. The Warmaster is lost to the Imperium and the Chaos Gods are a champion short. Major debacle on all sides.

Lorgar is still active, though. Problem is, Lorgar is a dweeb and doesn't quite have the chops to rally a Heresy like Horus could have. There are really only three Primarchs who could gather Legions to them like Horus could: Dorn, Guilliman, and Sanguinius. Personally, I'd say Guilliman is the top candidate, because there's good reason to believe he had already conceived of his Imperium Secundus, at least as a contingency. The problem is to get Guilliman to a point where he'd take up arms against the Emperor. Lorgar should be useful, for this purpose. Say the Word Bearers were either suspected or accused of involvement in causing the Warmaster's death, which isn't really untrue, Lorgar and his Legion marked for capture or eradication after a poorly detailed sequence of events. Guilliman gets suspicious, captures Lorgar, Kor Phaeron or Erebus alive, interrogates them, gets nudged away from loyalism and towards corruption along the way, and at the end of it you have Archtraitor Roboute Guilliman.

>>55091045
Guilliman, Lion, Sanguinius, Horus. Overwhelming strength, de facto control of Ultima Segmentum, still have the benefits of Horus' diplomatic skills combined with Guilliman's logistical genius, Lion's strategic and tactical brilliance, and Sanguinius' inspiring presence.

>>55089411
In T'au the Ethereal supreme enthusiatiscally Falls for further expansion meanwhile the expansion fleet finds a strange phenomena that incapacitates their ships to move pass It.
Suddenly of of hundreds of gigantics ships appear from nowhere in front of the Xenos.
The recordings that reach T'au only screams are heard.

>>55091721
I think it might be easier to do something like Calth, but or less as Gulliman intended. During an attempt to mend bridges, Gulliman gets stuck with the chaos blade and falls Horus style.

>>55091721
This seems somewhat too simplistic. At least you'd need to put Guilly through some Chaos-induced bad future shroom trip, like Horus got.

That would still make replicating Horus' heresy a tall order, simply because Guilliman would not have the authority of the warmaster to nudge the pieces on the board.

On the other hand the loyalist side would be a primarch short, so who knows.

>>55089327
>I mean after 10000 years of eugenics and with an efficient means of transportation wouldn't most of humanity consist of alpha psykers.
It could, I chose to have a small elite because it is more interesting for a setting.

>And what about Fulgrim with the daemon in the sword dealt with i can see going around the Imperium with his legion being artists and archtects.
I can see Fulgrim being part of the "Lorgarian Rebellion", but also that a part of his legion remaining loyal. They could become as you say.

Lorgar would recruit Kurze, Typhus, Fulgrim and Alpharius/Omegon. Mortarion is sacrificed for Typhus to gain power, becoming a martyr. Alph/O become Tzeentch's pets. All of their legions end up with sizable loyalist minorities. Lorgar wants to spread Chaos, not to conquer the Imperium. The result is not exactly a civil war, but a mix of guerrilla and terrorism which isn't as destructive but lasts longer. Kurze is a loner which controls the Maelstrom, while the rest remain at the Eye. Dorn would end up commanding the Segmentum Obscurus, keeping the Phalanx in the Cadia system. Every time they meet, Perturabo demands that Dorn lets him build majestic hive fortresses in Cadia and Dorn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyZv4EghX_I

>What a clean blood angels and Sanguinius do then? Maybe just look really bishi for the fujos?!
Like I said, governing a Segmentum. Conquering it is one thing, now you have to keep and maintain it. He would probably become the ideal in many ways, including beauty.

>>55091206
It somehow seemed appropriate, and the best way he could have ended without bewing claimed by Khorne.

>>55088169
>I always wondered if the Emprah was keeping the Void Dragon for a purpose.
Thursday night bridge.

>>55092909
>It could, I chose to have a small elite because it is more interesting for a setting.

It would be interesting to see the emperor reaction to how slow his planned evolution is occuring.

>He would probably become the ideal in many ways, including beauty.

Fulgrim would get really pissy about this.

For ten thousand years the Imperium has reigned supreme over the galaxy through the legions Astartes and the primarchs the emperor has brought all of the human worlds into the fold of Enlightened Terra.
Logic and reason reign supreme while the worlds of humanity are connected through it's own webway by the power of Magnus in the golden throne of terra who keeps these vital arteries of the Imperium open.
But even the primarchs ,one of the Emperor the greatest works, were still part human and some of them have fallen of his grace.
Through sedition and rebbellion Lorgar had sealed his fate and was put down.
Angron follow suit the nails destroying his mind and brain driving him and his legion to madness.
Konrad paranoia and sadism mant him could not be tolerated in the Emperor new galaxy.
But even with these setbacks humanity has proven it's strength and resilience and now can enjoy the fruits of their labour.

Meanwhile in the warp amidst it's now common calm something started to move.

>>55087975
The Emperor was fucked the moment he thought that making a deal with the Chaos Gods was advisable. He doomed his sons, his planet, his people and himself. Whether it be through the Changeling or other chaos pawns, his plans would be corrupted, and set against him.

Perhaps upon learning what his fate entailed, his will would waver, and he would lash out, closing the webway. Or perhaps he still learns of the betrayal, and does the same.

>>55089411
I mean, the Harrier was a fine plane, but I guess controlling several space sectors is out of its range.

>>55089428
Why kill them? Just put them in stasis or cryogenics just in case something bad happens. Keep some chapters in rotation to put down the mandatory rebellion/ork waaaggh/necron uprising. Wake them up when the Tyrannids knock the door.

>>55088846
definitely full of a bunch of donut steel "oh so clever" primarchs that are just shitty stereotypes of different cultures. Lots of self inserting and fluff that goes no where.

>>55089749
whats fun about fan fiction tier primarchs that are just an amalgamation of someones fantasies and are STILL 30% self insert?

>>55090226
>making a setting where almost everything has already been dreamed up and put on paper, is a lot harder than it sounds guys!

>seriously, I went through two boxes of crayons!

>>55094634
I fucking hate posting on mobile.

>>55094963
>>55094991

As is /tg/ tradition. But... who the hell cares?

>>55095501
>/tg/ isn't going to be the homogenous board it once was...

>>55095526
literally what. /tg/ was never homogenous.

The Emperor's ultimate goal was to withdraw all of mankind to the Webway to starve out the chaos gods, and emerge millions of years later as an ascendant all-psychic race.

>>55087387
>If Horus had not fallen to the ruinous power how noblebright would the 41st millenium be?
First off you need to decide how its is that Horus overcomes his temptations? Is it Magnus talking sense into him? Or does Erebus fail? How far back are we going with this?

This matters because it was Horus who gave the Traitors their direction and focus, but without him there would still be chaos amongst the Primarchs and Imperium. Fulgrim, Lorgar and Angron are still guaranteed to fall. Others like Kurze, Magnus and Perturbo are probably up in the air depending oh when things start. Mort would follow Horus and Alpharius is Alpharius. Not to mention the majority of the Mechanicum that turned on the Imperium.

So things wouldnt be peachy just because Horus doesnt fall. The Emperors plan was still just a risky as ever and if Magnus can ruin the webway project so could Tzeentch whenever he pleased.

Last time I checked, the Emperor was good with nonhostile Xenos. Aggressive expansion for expansion's sake was never his deal and he had no interest whatsoever in genociding Xenos that were no threat to humans. Has HH taken a dump on that too?

>>55095775
>Last time I checked, the Emperor was good with nonhostile Xenos.
Nonsense. The only Xenos the Emperor ever ok were non-sentitent. Seriously when did he ever allow or make deals with an Xeno?

>>55095775
>The Emperor temporarily lessened aggression against xenos foolish enough to lower their guard while he killed more threatening ones

FTFY.

>>55087816
I still like it better, but I'll grant you that you gave it more initial thought than the Dornian Heresy.

>>55095824
Well he dos allowed the eldar to live but it's because they are really slippery fuckers.

If the primarchs and Empy survive and thrive into the 41st millennium, will they eventually demand the Emperor make superpowered chicks for them?

>>55101197
They didn't demand It during the whole crusade the most stressing job of all, i don't think they would ask after their task is complete.

>>55088489
I saw the threads for that and I think they just made primarchs and legions seperatly. Maybe they were suppose to be lost legion then merged them together into a setting without any concern for how well they would mesh together.

>>55087882

It wouldn't matter.

If Magnus went Russ would have ass-fucked him anyway six ways from Sunday with the help of the Sisters of Silence and other legions.

It HAD to be Horus who fell because Horus was the only Primarch capable of taking multiple other Primarchs down the traitors' path with him. Lorgar, Mortarion, Guilliman or Dorn, hell even Sanguinus. None of the could have won the loyalty of the likes of Fulgrim, Curze, even Angron etc.

Even Horus could barely keep the traitor legions unified long enough to assault Terra- anyone else would have flat out failed.

>>55087690
>"Please spare us, you pathetic mon-keighs, we beg you! Hmph!"

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>>55101638
>If Magnus went Russ would have ass-fucked him anyway six ways from Sunday with the help of the Sisters of Silence and other legions.
Why would you think this? Magnus is a shit choice for warmaster but claiming things would turn out the same on Propsero if he was trying is laughable. Magnus sabotaged everything. It amazing Russ and the Talons lost so much to a legion with no defense and no warning.

>>55101680
>On a personal opinion level
Didnt this fucker also leave the company? Why bother posting this?

>>55101693
Because he is a beloved and respected member of the fandom. Also because GW hired him because they saw him as a big fan of the HH. He is really dedicated to the setting regardless of his current status

>>55087816
>and Magnus has already been intwined by Tzneetches plot
Part of Magnus' fall was because he fucked up the Emperor's webway project to warn him that Horus turned traitor.

If Horus doesn't turn, he has no reason to be a moron.

>>55101596
that was exactly that, they even defined their individual legions based on their relationships with the original 18, and then somehow decided to replace these original 18 by 22 OC donut steel legions
imo that's a pretty huge "feet of clay" issue (granted they're still stuck at the giant's knees after 27 threads, so that's not the biggest problem)

>>55101709
Shit bait. The real Carnac starts of subtle and is at least funny. Try harder Anon.

>>55101728
How is this bait? It's in his damn interview plus the respected part comes from how LG is welcomed and heeded in the 40K forums and his interactions with the BL authors and the FW team.

You seem to hate the guy for no reason.

>>55101755
probably just envy.

>>55101197
>>55101197
>implying the primarchs wouldn't come to love each other like more than brothers

which primarch couples do you think would eventually form to lead the Imperium of MAN into a golden era of manly kisses and cuddle-wrestling ?

>>55101755
>>55101798
Samefag.

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>>55101864
retard alert

>>55101883
Wow you sure showed me. Oh wait you just proved you posted one off you phone. Neck yourself.

How fucking new do you have to be a to suck at Carnac posting? Fucking lurk more.

>>55101901
yep, it's envy.

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>>55087816
>Angron has the nails
Yes but even on his planet he led a revolution of slave freedom fighters against a tyrannical gov.

I'm convinced angron going full 'fuck everything' was his spirit being broken when the emperor let his followers die when he could have saved them. Then discovering he was saved by a tyrannical gov that made the ones he was fighting look like children led by a guy so immoral he will let people die because it's convenient. Even going against the wishes of his newly discovered son.


Fuck GW writers are retards.

>>55101930
Cringe.

>>55101952
Hmmm

>>55089621
Maybe pre-crusade. I know humanity lived alongside friendly xenos during that time.

I doubt it is gonna happen now though. The long night cemented the better safe than sorry mentality the imperium has. Which is much more pragmatic when your taking about galactic conquest. It's much easier to plan your wars knowing every front is an enemy than worrying about if an ally is going to betray you.

>>55101680
Why does that guy always come off as a cunt in every post?

>>55101509
They had a job to do during the crusade. Ten thousand years of mostly peaceful (Because they shitstomped all opposition) galaxy would mae any mind wander.

>>55102073
>I know humanity lived alongside friendly xenos during that time.
Rarely. One of the reasons Imperium is anti-xenos is because xenos backstabbed humanity over and over and over and over again. So now humanity just frontstabs first.

>>55102356
You literally quoted my own post back at me in your own words, why?

The primarchs that would surely fall don't mind me too much as stated by others posts, without horus they would be dealt with quickly, now the Mechanicum is another can of worms.
The Emperor would certainly try to secularize the whole institution.

>>55102379
Your argument is just too strong you see.

>>55087602
Well at least it will be quicker.

>>55087602
Hell even real world governments were doing this pre-ww2 and I'm talking about first world like the us and uk.

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>>55101509
Malcador reccomended female primarchs but emps was all like "no way fag"

>>55104387
Even when you are a demi-god fucking your imouto is just to lewd.

>>55104387
I like the idea that there was no real reason why primarchs and Astartes couldn't be women, Empy was just a total sexist.

>>55104387
>>55104431
>>55104518
Drama between the primarchs led to a war that 10,000 years later people won't even reference in the same room as Marines. And yall think tossing relationship drama in the mix would not end the universe?

Emps was a genius, that's why he neutered Marines.

>>55095501
shouldn't you be writing fan fiction with crayons and bright markers?

Lorgar corrupts Sanguinius who becomes overwhelmed by Khorne. Sangy was the ONLY other Primarch worthy of Warmaster

Horus dies in Sangy's place at Terra, though he in turn is killed by the Emperor

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>>55104599
My guys dicks work just fine, just ask the sisters detachment from that hive world last week.

>>55104599
They'd still be siblings and libidoless automatons, so there wouldn't be any new relationship drama, but to answer your quest, yes, I would. Because it would be hilarious.

I wanna see the galaxy burn because Khorne hath no fury like Guilliman's ex wife.

I actually just read Horus Rising for the first time, I was familiar with most of the events just from lore and wiki research. If we're positing that Horus doesn't fall, that really begins with the events on Interex as the most massive change. What would the relation between the Interex and the Imperium have been like had the Anatheme not been taken? The guard who Loken was speaking with as it was taken had just realized that they weren't servants of Chaos, so...there's the potential for an allied relationship, except that the Interex supported mercy for Xenos, finding it immoral to even consider outright genocide, and Horus was coming around to the idea that the extreme measures the Imperium regularly underwent are too far. Could he have taken that experience to the Emperor and changed the Imperium into something more liberal, essentially also weakening them to the point that the forces of Chaos may have had an easier time? Was the Heresy perhaps the worst move the Gods could have attempted?

>>55105059
The Emperor would be really pissed if Horus came out of the interex diplomatic mission a hippie.

>>55105458
Sure, pissed, BUT, how many others were starting to see things from his point of view? If Horus said, "We should let this Interex thing go, clearly they're flourishing, maybe try it on a smaller scale somewhere," Loken would've been on board, basically all but one of the Mournival would've gone for it. How many others could he have convinced? The Emperor made Horus Warmaster because he trusted him, would that have resulted in more consideration to the idea that there's a softer path when Horus returned?
I'm still working through the books, of course, most of what I know after Rising is just from sourcebooks and the wiki, but I really think the Chaos Gods could've had an easier time if they just did nothing.

>>55087547
>rough for the average person
>because of eugenics
Fucking retarded. "Oh no I can't vomit up more disfigured/retarded/diseased eaters!"

>>55105716
I don't think you'd like to be neutered anon

>>55094991
These assumptions are getting out of control.

Please do not speak on matters you know nothing about.

>Perfectly good thread derailed by OC hating artists

If you let these people persist the board will be nothing but generals and Primarch posting

>>55106461
Lack of creativity is a sign of low self-steem.

>>55107850
Not quite sure which camp this is meant to target

>>55108534
I think he is just trying to hit as many targets as he can.

>>55101690

>Magnus is a shit choice for warmaster but claiming things would turn out the same on Propsero if he was trying is laughable.

Based on?

>>55104431
Well if you're a God who has a Greco-Roman aesthetic, it isn't that bad. If anything it should be expected.

>>55109396
I think only ares/mars was the only second generation olympian that came directly through sibling incest but my greek mytholigy knowledge is kind foggy.

>>55109531
Ares, Hephaestus, Hebe, Persephone, off the top of my head. Of course all Olympians are products of incest in various degrees.

>>55106383
Eugenics does not require neutering, nor even sterilization. You're embarrassingly ignorant.

>>55111428
How would you stop a galaxy size population from spreading bad genes then?

>>55089954
But they haven't released an 8e Codex for Imperial Guard yet

>>55109365
Not that anon but Magnus sabotaged the defenses and send away his fleet remember? He went so far as to kill some his sons to hide that they were coming. On top of that he pulled away all the captains and commanders and begged them to accept the Emperors judgement. Of course it wasnt the Emperors judgement but he didnt know that yet.

>>55095751
Let's say Magnus plan works and Horus listens to him!

>>55089273

Why would he cull them? He'd have fuck all left to defend the Imperium. The Custodes aren't an offensive force and there's no way guardsmen are keeping the galaxy together without support.

>>55112922
I think the Astartes culling would happen after humanity acsended to a fully psyker race, before that happen the Emperor would certainly need atleast some of the legions like the Imperial fists to guard strategic important planets.

>>55111642
With a galaxy-wide eugenics program.

>>55087387
Due to Horus staying alive, Necton come along and kill off mankind with a super weapon a lord pulled out of his ass, and then assembled all the primarch bodies in pretty pink dresses and sat them on top of the body of the emperor, and froze them in stasis so the scene could be remembered for millenia.

>>55087816
>Perturabo pretty much hates everyone, and only really has Horus.

Weren't Perturabo and Magnus fairly close? They bonded over their love of knowledge

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>>55090841
Which one would be the best in bed?

>>55114041
They were close because Magnus allowed Pert to show his creative side yet Pert was still autisitc as fuck about it all.

>>55102127
Occam's razor suggests that he is a cunt.

>>55102127
Cause cunts think being cunts makes them sound smart.

>>55114097
The one that can break your dick

>>55106461
About OCs what happened to the Huge marines you know the ones inspired by Zyzz

>>55120563
bump for interest