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First for stop fuckin replying to skidmark shitposting™

>>55074912
How is it a good thing. Everything intresting was removed. No Vlad, Mannfred, Krell, Kemmler. Just boring generics with worse rules. (Konrad was the only one of them who had a silly rule) All of those models are still being sold too.
>>55074946
Yeah but they don't have new models and their old ones now don't have rules.

They never should have destroyed the old setting and murdered most of the cast. It's such a shame

>>55075042
You didn't need to repost your shitpost in the new thread. It was doing fine without it.

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First for Kroak

>>55075040
I like the Age of Sigmar rules and game. But it's setting sucks. So losing the rules for the all characters is a nasty blow.

I'm jumping into aos with ghb2017, and want to build freeguild, based around handgunners, what things should I be looking at especially with the new ghb?

>>55075056
And it was doing fine with out your complaining about it too.

>>55075087
Ironic, since that post is nothing but complaining that belongs in the WHFB thread instead.

>>55075084
Well you should probably check out the new GHB first.

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Last thread someone uploaded pic related

Any info about when is going to be released or link to the sauce please?

The Dispossessed forces would perfectly round up my allies for my Kharadron Overlords, and the SCE are welcome too

>>55075095
Why does it belong there. I like the Age of Sigmar rules and game. And I liked the Rules guys like Vlad and Karl Franz had in the Age of Sigmar game.

>>55075042
Because its a compromise that allows the players to keep using their miniatures and the developers to not have to keep balancing it.

The vampire counts lost two miniatures. The ones who were truly screwed were the wood elves.

How's this for Babby's First 1k?

Megaboss (Big and Brutish, Battle Brew) - 140

Weirdnob Shaman - 120

6 Gore Gruntas - 360

10 'Ard Boys - 180
10 'Ard Boys - 180

TOTAL: 980

>>55075119
Yeah, do we have any rumours about release date or the price?

>>55075119
>>55075119
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/17/the-season-of-war-continues-in-firestorm-aug17gw-homepage-post-2/

I'm waiting as impatiently as you are (for dark elves)

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>>55075042
>Yeah but they don't have new models and their old ones now don't have rules. They never should have destroyed the old setting and murdered most of the cast. It's such a shame

it'll be okay, serious.

Its already confirmed that Malekith is leading the shadow elves in the realm of shadow. Ansd that Tyrion/Teclis are leading the Light elves in the realm of light. Two realms that will eventually get reveals and launches of model lines to go along with story arcs that explore those realms. Its just a matter of time, be patient, SameCast boreternals are just stupid filler between the interesting releases.

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>>55075124
I also liked being able to keep my favourite characters like Queek Headtaker and Lord Skrolk all e and not forgotten (though skrolk never really died).

>>55075157
At least you're trying to change it up, now that people recognize when you use Skidmarks.

>>55075130
Thats not a compromise. Cause they still sell those models and allow them to be used. Now they just have nothing intresting about them.

An actual compromise would have been to update them but say they could not be used in tournaments or some such.

Ideally they would have just updated them. But Age of Sigmar appears to want to be as boring as possible so no characters for anyone. Only generics.

>>55075153
Thanks a lot!

Should I sell my army and start over?

Is there anyone who even wants to buy a lot of bloodreavers and marauders?

>>55075182
Characters have always been boring to me. It's like not putting in the effort of coming up with your dudes, and instead just using somebody already in the lore.

>>55075159
Yeah Queek's model is still sold too. So removing his rules had no point other then they did not want to.

>>55075157
But he does not have a model or rules. Also he is now some creepy beast.

>>55075182
Its a compromise. Both sides lose something so they can keep something.

>>55075202
Another compromise would be to keep their rules but give them new generic names like they did Settra.

Cause there are boring people like you that don't care about setting or anything like that.

>>55075200
>Is there anyone who even wants to buy a lot of bloodreavers and marauders?

Someone who plays WHFB 9th edition or Kings of War. Bloodreavers will work great as Chosen, and marauders are marauders.

>>55075176
>butt hurt SC fan who cant stand people who don't like what he likes

SC is the most boring juvenile, lowest denominator, cookie cutter, uninspired, carbon copy, drivel that has ever tainted the GW franchise. I get that it appeals to some, but don't be delusional by believing most people see it as anything but stupid.

>>55075240
Thats not a compromise. They lost nothing and we kept nothing.

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>>55075216
>remove characters from app
>still filled with compendium warscrolls for tzeentch and the like
It's like they don't actually care about the app or its user base

How Large are the Death Upgrade shields?
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Von-Carstein-Upgrade-Pack

I want to make a Krell themed Death Army, now I can have Grave Guard as Battleline, so I'll be Undeadyfying alot of Chaos Warriors.

So how do the Shields compare to chaos?

>>55075284
Krell lost his stats so you can't make a Krell themed army.

>>55075297
I'll just use Wight King with Black Axe.

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>>55075259
Oddly enough though, skrolk remains and has the pestilens keyword. Maybe there's hope yet.

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>New shortstory about Death gets hijacked by Stormcast Eternals on the second fucking page

THANKS GW

>>55075303
That is litterly his model so that makes sense. Though it's a shame that it lost all of it's rules that made it Krell.

>>55075309
>Stormcast show up
>REEEEEEE

>>55075246
>. Bloodreavers will work great as Chosen
I think you are confusing them with blood warriors

blood reavers are the shirtless guys

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>people are still replying to cheetahfag shitposting
Well, I will grab the GHB17 pdf and it's high time to leave these generals. You guys are even worse than this idiot - everything you have to do is report his shit and ignore him.

>>55075306
Skrolk's model is still sold under the name Plague Priest. So you could use it for ether him or a Plauge Priest. Now you can just use it for Plauge Priest once the app is updated.

>>55075374
I thought the app was updated. All other named guys are removed. I want to hope he's at least brought back in the fluf somehow, as a priest or a verminlord

>>55075339
>make a setting that has a dozen different species after murdering a setting with decades of established lore that has attracted and fascinated generations of fans
>Focus only on one faction of humans that are defined of being naught but robotic, emotionless suits of armour
>These humans don't even have what made the Space Marines remotely interesting

GW just plain and simply fucked up with writing the SCE, and the constant hamfisting of them into every story is just further crippling any development of the setting. Which might eventually end up damning it. WHFB expanded upon pretty much all factions in some way. AoS seems intent of focusing only on SCEs, which are already pretty damn difficult to get interested in or relate with in any way.

Right, got my GH2017 and looking through the ironjawz. I had a full list for GH2016 but now it seems the meta has changed.

After a bit of thinking i think i have come to the opposite conclusion of everyone else... If formations are more expensive... ill use MORE formations.

Here is the list that i've come up with. The main focus is to use the boyz as a screen and use my megabosses as heavy hitters.

HQ= total 800

Megaboss on mawcrusha- 460 (Dakkbad) ( +1 rend on choppa) - 460
Megaboss on foot (+1 damage on choppa) - 140
Weirdnob - 120
Warchanter (+1 bravery for allies in range, -1 for enemies in range) - 80

Battle line= total 900, (all 5 units in ironfist)

3x5 brutes - 180 each, total 540
2x10 ard boyz - 180 each, total 360

Formations = total 280

Ironfist - 160
Ironsunz - 120

800+900+280 = 1980.

This is using all models i have available. What are people's thoughts? The idea is to use the boyz as a screen unit/ megaboss delivery service. Mawcrusha for big scary things, megaboss on foot for hordes, sauroning thing up here. Though my main problem is which command trait do i want. The ignore -1 rend, the reroll waagh, or the reroll to hit on charges?

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>>55075309
>no stormcasts on the cover
>find out afterwards its about Stormcasts

kek based GW blowing the fuck out of death players

B A S E D

>>55075366
if you love worshiping GW and SC then TGA and Ben are waiting for you in his censored sanitized circle jerk calling itself a forum.

>>55075431
To be fair I can't even understand anything about the Age of Sigmar setting. So I can't blame the Stormcast eternals for making it boring.

The Age of Sigmar setting would work so much better as something like the outer planes to the Old World.

>>55075456

What brought about that crackdown? Were people complaining about the Order boxes bundled with Stormcasts?

Don't pay any attention to shitposters about the Auction of Blood novel.

It's not about Stormcast at all.

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Is there any good AOS literature that features the skaven. Pestilens or not, doesn't matter.

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>>55075456
No complaining anon
Just open that asshole up

>>55075431
>Focus only on one faction of humans that are defined of being naught but robotic, emotionless suits of armour
This is not a thing.

Individual Stormcast have been shown to have personalities and opinions and there is no Stormcast equivalent to Space Marine orthodoxy.

The Knight-Questor in Silver Tower specifically believes in working with chaos people to convince them to turn back to the good side, and Ionus Cryptborn has repeatedly allied with chaos when it suited him, for example.

>>55075543
No you have to go back to stuff like the Thanquol novels for that.

>>55075182
Mark my words, the only reason they're keeping the old VC character models around is because they're placeholders for a new multipose plastic Vampire Lord kit that they haven't made.

From GW's perspective, they only now gave us a lot of love in The End Times. It doesn't register to them that atomizing out army out across the entire Death faction hurt that. We're at the back of the queue until they wrap back around, I'm afraid.

>Nurgle is being released
>No idea what's after
>People saying death rattle release around Q1 2018

Jesus fucking Christ why is this game getting such slow fucking rollouts? Is the game not profitable is it dieing what? This IP gonna get fucking nuked so GW can drop the new new age of sigmar? God damn stop the 40k train and drop some shit for AoS.

>God damn stop the 40k train and drop some shit for AoS.

Chillarte, 40k just got a new edition, and AoS dominated the release schedule prior to 8th coming out.

>>55075556
What about that novel that released with pestilens?

>>55075200
yes you flavor of the month waac shitter just play stormcast

>>55075561
40k just dropped a new edition and they're probably making bank off of the Chad Marines and new Death Guard stuff.
The sci-fi boys have always been the big draw.

>>55075579
>Stormcast Defeat Pestilens: The Novel

>>55075578
We just got a new edition too

>>55075592

Nothing wrong with that.

>>55075561
It turns out cause they learned a lot from their mistakes with Age of Sigmar (Like blowing up the setting and killing all of its characters was a bad idea) 40k's revamped lanch went off much better.

As a result it is selling better because tons of players did not leave.

>>55075543
>AoS
>Good lore
Lmao

>>55075579
He asked for good literature.

>>55075578
>AoS dominated the release schedule prior to 8th coming out
you're high aren't you? SC and Steam Punk Midgets for a couple weeks is hardly "dominating the release schedule".

>>55075592
Fucking seriously? I just want to read about the mechanations of some deranged plague priest. I'm beginning to feel like the only reason chaos exists is to act as punching bags for Mary Sues the majority of players don't like

>>55075630
>you're high aren't you? SC and Steam Punk Midgets for a couple weeks is hardly "dominating the release schedule".

Total up the releases for that period, and then count what amount of them were AOS releases.

>>55075597
>book about pestilens meant to feature the army as cool
>literally just sce punching them in the nads

>>55075554
Who cares? They're still more boring than Space Marines, somehow.
Jesus Christ, give me a novel all about a lone skeleton spearman who doesn't talk or even think throughout it's entirety, just watches the rest of the plot play out in front of it without emotion; even that would be better than more Stormcucks.

I hate Stormcast helmets so much.

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>>55075637
>Chaosfags whine about no longer being an unbeatable threat that will inevitably win
>ALL WE DID WAS DESTROY THE WORLD AND ACHIEVE ALL OUR GOALS

>>55075675
I hate stormcast faces so much.

I think the epub for the General's handbook 17 is broken.

>>55075689
I don't even think Skaven should be counted as part of chaos.

>>55075708
I hate Stormcast so much.

>>55075708
What faces. The ones on the Helmets. Those are the ones I am talking about.

>>55075722
I hate so much

>>55075689
>unbeatable threat
Kek what? I just want good story telling for all established factions. SCE busting into other armies feature books and kicking the shit out of them isn't good writing anon.

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>>55075718
>Skaven shouldn't be part of chaos
>Race of stable chaos mutants led by a minor chaos god, even in the old lore

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I picked up some Empire Greatswords as a small entry into Warhammer (Really something to do besides stare at a screen).

One problem I have with these guys is I am terrible at painting - their flag bearer's flag is generally pretty plain, open for the person putting them together to paint on it.

Anyone think this would look absolutely stupid with a standard color(s) on it?

>>55075309
Nice meme, but I read the damn thing and the Stormcast don't show up.

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>>55075718
I agree, I feel like they fit better with Destruction aesthetically.

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>>55075718
>I don't even think Skaven should be counted as part of chaos
>Literally chaos ratmen
2/10 - I give fuck enough to post the pic

>>55075675
Pleb.

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>>55075718
I agree yes-yes. Down with the false-pretender archaeon. Rise-ascend the Great Corruptor to rot-wither the realms.

>>55075746
"The inevitable victory of chaos while good guys struggle to hold them back and lose a little ground each time" was a theme for the entirety of old-world lore.

You're just sad because you don't get to come into everyone's army books and be the big bad threat that everyone else will inevitably lose to now.

>>55075739
I hate so.

>>55075787
And it was pretty bad there. It's a reason the End times sucked.

I don't want a bunch of other factions to just beat down all chaos related factions and for them to get no development or characters. Particularity the skaven.

>>55075773
They're not nearly shitty enough to be destruction.
They'd supplant the last few dregs of goblin character too.

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>>55075734
This face. It's awful.
Helmet head is much better.
(SC are ugly concept anyway)

>>55075787
>this
Not really. I don't care about other fags army books. I just want books that make armies other than SCE look good. This includes freeguild, soulblight, pestilens, gobbos, fyreslayers, and every other army that either acts as a punching bag or a damsel in distress for SCE

>>55075780
They were only vaugely related to chaos in the old lore. They never really worked together with chaos and were more their own thing.

>>55075669
Did you whine this much about almost every Fantasy novel revolving around either Empire or Chaos? Were you even alive back then?

>>55075758
While nice heraldry looks really nice and that's one of the few spots where you really have enough room to do it justice, it is true that it's really not that easy, especially if you're not just copying something else. A simple pattern should go fine, as long as it looks good with your general colour scheme. Plenty of historical examples are just striped or bannered, after all.

>>55075840
I think her face looks fine her helmet face however is awful.

>>55075831
>And it was pretty bad there
Cool, chaos never had good fluff, then.

>>55075879
Fair point. This is my first go at it as well so i'm not exactly expecting it to go perfectly.

>>55075882
Ok then you are just an asshole.

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>>55075882

>>55075910
>IT SUCKS THAT SE ALWAYS BEAT CHAOS
>But anon, Chaos was set up to be an inevitable victor in all the old fluff, and you didn't whine then.
>IT SUCKED THEN TOO
>So you're tacitly admitting old chaos fluff is just as bad as current SE fluff?
>NO THIS IS BAIT

>>55075897
Alternatively you could probably home make some simple stencils, but that would still leave shading which isn't really that easy

>>55075882
When you don't have a point to make
Exaggerate! Just exaggerate!

>>55075675
I hate their retarded shoulder pads even more

>>55075773
>>55075856

Likewise, Beastmen should be destruction, not chaos.

>>55075954
>IT SUCKS HOW SE ARE INEVITABLY THE WINNERS IN AOS FLUFF
>Just like how chaos was inevitably the winner in old world lore
>NO AND POINTING THIS OUT IS BAIT

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>>55076000
That's a shitpost too far, my friend.

>>55075872

You having a giggle? Half that stuff was HE vs DE stuff.

>>55075309
>posts the same stale meme every time a new book comes out
1/13 got a (you) out of me

>>55075840
>>55075881

When i get my hands on her i plan on messing around with the head option a bit. Shaving the face off and the back of the helmet and stick the two together so i can have the helmet/mask with hair flowing out. Also might shave the two triangles on the cheeks of the helmet

>>55076001
Well, if you want to get a serious discussion going here, I could go into how it's tonally different when the good guys are ascendant and when the bad guys are ascendant; The latter helps make the good guys feel like the underdog, and makes them more relatable as a result, whereas good guys who always win end up just seeming like assholes.

>>55076161
It's funny, I was having pretty much the opposite reaction: Put the head on a normal Stormcast body because boob armour is absurd.

>>55076173
Would be a decent point if chaosfags didn't constantly try to make excuses for why chaos are the secret good guys fighting for freedom

>>55076000
No Beastmen should be Chaos. They worship the chaos gods and everything and have chaos related units.

>>55075159
And Kroq-Gar is missing still, he survived the End Times and he was trash in 8th. Give lizards a 16-20 wound carnosaur beatstick pls

>>55076221
I'm not defending that nonsense.

>>55076001
I agreed with you that Chaos winning the end was bad.

But Chaos had other interesting things going on and they did not always win. (Until the end which was bad.)

>>55076191

I will aggree that the chest armor is ridiculous... but at the same time the fact that the model's body shape is not the same as every other sc is what's attracting me to that model... shame i won't be able to get my hands on her for a while and that it comes with so much baggage on top... (spoiler alert, not a fan of the nurgle range, though the snailrider model might look cool with a blightking instead of a plaguebearer)

>>55076242
His Model is still for sale is it not.

>>55076288
Sure, and his old rules for AoS were just the generic Oldblood on Carnosaur. Wasn't any different like Deathmaster Snikch was or the other old characters.

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>>55074984
Soon

>>55076321
Ahh that sucks. Unlike the others he did not even have unique rules.

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Been casually lurking these threads for info on GHB 2.

Am I correct to infer that GW basically give the middle finger to anything and everything that doesn't have a battletome?

>>55075157
>interesting releases.
>Ynnari 2.0
>interesting release

>>55076288
Vlad, Konrad and Isabella would say 'Hi', but they've just been rendered generic.

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>>55076330
>Tomb King on Exalted Chariot

Anyone who plays Fyreslayers got a few tips on fleshing out the 'Start Collecting' box?

What big synergies/ buffs that are missing? I would imagine a Battlesmith is useful. Looks like infantry for the army is key. Maybe just Vulkite Berzerkers?

Is the army fun? How do you make up for the lack of movement? Thanks.

>>55076347
>Am I correct to infer that GW basically give the middle finger to anything and everything that doesn't have a battletome?
Yep. Guess I was right at mocking over legacycucks

>>55076347
Same shitposting, different day. Please, give us some new bait

>>55075157
Source please?

>>55076057
Black Plague, Blackhearts, Blood on the Reik, Daemon's Gates, the Matthias Thulmann books, The Legend of Sigmar, Valkia, the Archaon books, Blood for the Blood God, Broken Honour, Brunner, Call to Arms, Death & Dishonour, Iron Company, Luthor Huss, Mark of Chaos, Palace of the Plague Lord, Realm of Chaos, Riders of the Dead, Sword of Justice, The Corrupted, Warrior Priest. All either focused on the Empire or Chaos, and I got tired of listing them all.

Meanwhile Elves got a few trilogies. Occasionally other stuff was published like the Genevieve stuff.

>>55076362
Sure but before that they weren't. EVERY single Lizardman character other than Oxylotl and Lord Kroak (whose in the battletome anyway) were just generic characters with the old names.

I would love for Vlad to come back, character was awesome.

>>55076369
Auric Hearthguard with the runewhatever's fantasy deepstrike is cool, they'll dump like, a shitton of wounds on the target of your choice

>>55076385

ya, in the old fluff anything not humans/chaos/dwarves got shafted. But then everything was corrected by the release of skarsnik, probably one of the better WFB books ive read (another contender would be van horstman)

>>55076385
BRUNNER WAS TILEAN YOU FUCK

>>55076401
Sounds good, hold the line with buffed Volkite and counter punch with the tunneling Runesmiter and Hearthguard.

Can Magmadroths tunnel?

>>55075840
>size buzz
There are a lot of shitty things about this model, but that is by far the worst.

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>GW trusted a bunch of bias amateur "tournament organizers" with barely a high school education between them to do the balance for a multi-million dollar game system that could make or break their annual profits or worse

new balance in GHB2.0 is just as bad or worse than in GHB1... not surprised.

>>55075840
>that awful grainy citidel gold paint
Kekeroo

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Has anyone converted GHB17 epud to PDF? I tried with few online converters but it ends up broken

>>55076544
It's ok, you can fetch a good price for your Tomb Kings on eBay.

>>55076544
>multi-million dollar game system
It's not 40k

>>55076544
Yeah because your inmensely useful Master's Degree in Advanced Cocksucking would make a difference in balancing a game for kids based around dice throwing.

>>55076550
What line do you prefer?

>>55075284
they are way too small for chaos warriors.
I have them and they are made for guys the size of elves/skeles.

>>55076544

I get what you're saying. However i don't think the new balance is bad or worse. Just different, changes the meta by a longshot, it's no longer elite units steamrolling from what im reading. So in the meta theres gonna be less kurnoth hunters, less tzaangor archer spam and more hordes. However this is just me guessing here so i may be wrong. Also the fact that in casual we might see a wider spectrum of army list. (apart from everyone in my store now jumping on fyreslayers and wanderers/sylvaneth)

I can't wait to see what pops up in the local stores and how people are gonna build lists to fit the new mission types. (again, the meta in my opinion seems to become more objective focus than roflstomping your opponent)


Just realized this might have been bait and it got me...

>>55075598
Looking at the AoS setting, it seems kinda pointless to have blown up the old setting. They could have just had Sigmar show up in the End Times and unleash an army of Stormcast he had been creating over thousands of years to stop Chaos.

>>55076544
>AoS
>Make or break them
We have to face it, they could shutter the whole line and live off 40k alone quite comfortably.

Just a reminder that compenium armies are literally subhuman scum.

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>>55075364
I use blood reavers as chosen because of the axes and they are plastic.

>>55076544
Most people don't care about balance, desu. It's just a minority that bitch about it.

>>55076673
Well, except for the Brettonians. They're French scum- okay, yes, subhuman.

>>55076674

I love the touch with the mirror bearers.

good job!

>>55076673
Id rather play against bretonnians 1000 times than against stormcast once.

>>55076650
I agree. Even if they insisted on transitioning to the Mortal Realms they could have fragmented the Old World across them instead of outright eliminating it. But we'll never know how that might have worked out; I imagine a lot of people would have chewed them out for not having the guts to do it.

Convert the silly epub you lazy faggots.

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>>55075150
>>55075119
bump this - do we know anything about the price?

>>55076719
No, we're too busy shitposting.

>>55075142
Seems your addition is a bit off there. No problem. let me fix it for you

Megaboss - 140

Wierdnob Shaman - 120

6 Gore Gruntas - 280

10 'Ard Boys - 180
10 'Ard Boys - 180

TOTAL: 900

>>55076719
I'm trying but most online converters are shit and the file ends up broken

>>55076650
I wish.
However how would he have done this? He didn't "show up" until he possessed Franz.
So how would he have made the stormcast army etc?

>>55076743
Back when I had Windows 7 I used Calibre to convert these shit useless epubs to PDF. I don't have the program now though.

>>55076754
They could've just written him showing up another way. There's nothing to say it had to be Franz. Valten, maybe? It would've been better than the end he got.

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Map for muh doods. Need to write for it now.

>>55076650
>Old world doesn't get blown up, rather Sigmar decides to split its "essence" into several magic schools, with the Old World serving as a nexus where all of them meet
>Each faction still gets their own dimensions where they get to thrive and build these massive armies in
>Sigmars idea was to scatter the winds of magic into their own pocket realms that would suck up the magic like the Vortex did in Ulthuan, which would lead to the polar warp rifts closing
>Old World would become mostly ruins and vegetation, with minor presences of each faction still there to facilitate a small scale skirmish game and the occasional large scale battle
>All factions want control of the Old World now as it being the new Nexus of power, it holds the ability to siphon the magical energies from other realms for their own
>Centuries pass with Stormcast Eternals giving Chaos a beating and distracting them from Sigmars little project
>Sigmar spends so much of his power setting up this new nexus and repairing the damage that chaos caused on the Old World that it leaves him drained, which forces him to direct his SCE's to demand power tributes from the different magical dimensions to maintain Order
>The other factions, having gotten used to this newfound power and prosperity, promptly say "go fuck yourself" and instead want to take Sigmars place. Each realm has their own "deity" that is effectively a small god.
>Eventually, Chaos finds a way to worm itself into the "Outer Realms" of each of the schools of magic, lending to all sorts of outlandish areas to fight over for those who don't like "ALL OLD WORLD ALL THE TIME."
>Chaos is trying to finish what they started; only this time the goal is to consume these new upstart gods to bolster their own powers
>Skirmish and large scale battle games in the Old World can be story driven campaigns about hunting for the history, secrets and artifacts of the factions, while the Mortal Realms battles can be about all-out warfare

>Everybody wins

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>>55076581
>collects tomb kings for display and occasional play
>mfw i will reap the new low prices on ebay for many moons

>>55076715
>t.Legacycuck

>>55076650
>Looking at the AoS setting, it seems kinda pointless to have blown up the old setting
They had to kill this setting not only to lure new players with something new and fresh but also to drive away the cancerous community. Seriously, I have never met worst fags than whfb players. During the fantasy evenings at my lgs (it's pretty big, it has something like 12 big gaming tables and few smaller ones) there were only fantasy players up here - noone wanted to bump into them because they were such salty slimeballs. The community restart is the best part of AoS

>>55076859
Still better than LoL-kids who unironically loves SCE fluff

I'm looking in the new General Handbook 2017 and in the Pitched Battle Profiles, for Clan Verminus Stormvermin, it says Stormvermin are Battleline if army has Verminus allegiance. When I look at the allegiances though, I only see Clan Pestilens and Clan Skrye. Where do I find the details of Clan Verminus allegience?

Another question, it says allies for Clan Verminus are Clan Eshin, Moulder, Pestilens, Skrye and Masterclan... what does having allies mean? What page in the handbook should I read about that ? I get that I can pick an allegience for the army and anyone with that allegience gets said abilities, but how does allies come into play? Can't I play with ANY units in the Chaos set?

>>55076887
Way to prove his point.

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>>55076887
oh wew, great post cheetahfag

>>55076887
Let them like their Mary Sues. They'll grow out of that phase and either pick a new army, start 40k, or call it quits. As long as they're not that fag who burnt his high elves army, and then like a year later started buying SCE

>>55076893
Battleline-if means that all units in your army have to share the same keyword. In this case all your units must have a verminus keyword
>what does having allies mean?
It means that you can have 800prs of only verminus unit and picking up the moulder allies is not breaking your verminus allegiance so you can still use stormvermin as your battleline

>>55076894
Because I've said that new lore is shit for people who likes MOBA/MMO?

Could I use nurgly warriors and pass them as melee chaos cultists for 40k?

>>55076947
Sure, why not? My friend is using bloodreavers as cultists in his khorne army

>>55076893
Page 76. In short, they're a way to take units outside your Allegiance without losing the special Allegiance perks.

>>55076945
Yes, demonstrating that you're an insufferable elitist who nobody wants to be around proves his point that Fantasy fans are that.

>>55076893

So Clan verminus has no special allegiance rules, only skrye and pestilense, you gotta use basic chaos allegiance.

Allies is as >>55076937 says, if you do verminus then part of your army can be other clans, so in 1000p you can have 200 points of other clans in. 400 p of allies at 2k

>>55076947
Sure. It also serves as a handy way to figure out if a potential opponent is going to be an asshole- if they complain about something that minor, you're not going to enjoy playing against them.

>everyone who doesn't love SCE is a salty WHFB neck beard who should piss off and end themselves

this thread is a train wreck

>>55076977
Verminus and the other clans will probably get a book soon

Wait, do the SCE get no Allegiance abilities? They only get basic Order? The literal Golden Boys get nothing special this time around? I'm stunned.

>>55076498
Yeah, the rule says

>Magmic Tunnelling: When a
Runesmiter sets his feet upon stone
he can command it to flow aside and
allow him passage. Instead of setting
up an Auric Runesmiter and up to one
other FYRESLAYER unit, you can set
them to one side and declare that they
are underground. They can emerge in
any of your movement phases; set up
both units anywhere on the battlefield,
within 3" of each other and more than
9" from the enemy. This counts as their
move for that movementphase.

A RuneFather/Son/Smiter On Magmadroth is a Fyreslayer unit, and thus can burrow.

>>55076967
>having tastes and standarts means elitism
Top kek

>>55076945
I don't like moba and mmo. I started tha game at the tail end of 4th edition. I think AoS is way better setting than the shitshow that Old World turned out to be, and the culling of WAAC faggots that shat their pants and went to 9th age was the best thing that could happen to the game.

I don't mind sce when they aren't surrounded by writers playing with their twats to them

>>55077001
SCE have their allegiance ability in their V2 Battletome. Basically, they can set up their guys in reserves and deepstrike.

The General's Handbook only replaces/adds allegiance abilities, it doesn't remove the old ones like Khorne/Tzeentch/SCE had.

>>55077014
>I don't like moba and mmo.
>I think AoS is way better setting
Pick one

>>55077007
I can see some people arguing that he's not setting his feet on stone, he's setting his feet on Magmadroth. Of course, rules lawyers like that should be shot, but I can see it causing headaches unless clarified.

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>>55077035

>>55077026
Oh, thanks. I should probably go read up on that.

>>55077036
Fluff text =/= Rules
The rule is that a runesmiter on foot and one other fyreslayer unit can be set aside and then emerge in the movement phase.

>>55077046

damn, i need the link with all the pics...

>>55077046
>there are more than two options
Nope, since MMO/MOBA art-design are the pillar of AoS to attract kids.

>>55076977

That confused me a bit then. So the Spire of Dawn boxed set. The Spire of Dawn boxed set contains:

> 1 Skaven Warlord
> 1 Warlock Engineer
> 1 Packmaster
> 2 units of 20 Clanrats
> 2 Rat Ogors
> 1 Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team
> 1 Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team

So they would not be any clan it seems and just be regular Chaos? The Clanrats and Warlord would be Verminus, but the Packmaster and Rat Ogors would be Moulder, Warpfire and Poisoned Wind and Warlock Engineer are Skryre so any from each would be more than 200 points

>>55077046
Are you really trying to bring up logical fallacies to a shitposter? They're not going to actually engage with you.

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>>55077089

>>55076812
Looking good. But is there any "undo" button? I found the interface awkward.

>>55077133
Nope, I wish. Have to delete manually.

>>55077124
>one trait
Nice claiming, too bad it worthless without any arguments support

>>55077148
Yeah I couldn't delete for jack, I didn't know how in fact so I gave up. But good work on constructing a coherent map. I kept thinking why mine looked so bad (from what little progress I made) and then I realized: no roads.

>>55077100
Yeah, they will make a legal army (clanrats are a universal chaos battleline unit) but you can use only general chaos allegiance abilities with this set. Still, this box is a great source of plastic weapon teams for skryre, cheap clanrats and warlord for verminus and nice plastic ogors for moulder

>>55076812
>"literally who"-location

>>55077151
>Nice claiming, too bad it worthless without any arguments support
>Nope, since MMO/MOBA art-design are the pillar of AoS to attract kids.
>MMO/MOBA art-design

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Can we just agree that people will (justifiably) have mixed feelings on SCE, and that the writer's out of place SCE circle jerking is mostly why they're so hated?

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Since other anons posted maps, I wanted to post map for MY DOODS too. The Elven porttown of Farondis and the Duradin mining city of Copper Keep have long worked together, the Duradin mining magically rich ore deep within the ground of the land and the Elven city of Farondis ship it across the ocean to many trading partners, bringing back both riches and minerals needed for the Duradin mining operations.

Recently, a band of Ironjawz have moved into the area, forcing the locals to keep a standing army, to keep the invaders at bay, led by Duke Keiish Farondis, Archmage and High Speaker Bengar Ironlaw, elected speaker of Copper Keep. The land is scouted by elven outriders and rangers, while Duradin forces fortify the cities against the Ironjawz intrusions.

>>55077161

Cheers. Thanks! My Spire set is on the way so now I'm gonna grab a box of Stormvermin and just play with that for my start. Hopefully will be fun.

In other news, as a newbie I went to the local GW store today and they took me through my first AoS battle. Chaos vs whatever the Empire guys are called. Really glad I decided to dive into AoS, it plays so much nicer than 40k I remember. Not having to sit and wait 15 minutes for someone to make their full move, shoot and attack phase in a massive fuckarmy is really cool and keeps me engaged

>Play wanderers
>Hero with Forget me Knot artifact
>Put in melee range of Archaon
>He cant do anything
>Odds are they cant snipe the hero because Chaos has no/poor ranged
>90 point dude makes Archaon sit there while your army kills him

>>55077165
>>MMO/MOBA art-design
Setting-wise, MR isn't far from DoTa and LoL (just random decoration for games) and much beneath Azeroth.

>>55077100
They should just make a Skaven Alligence ability rather then splitting them up and making them weaker.

>>55077217
Its called the Chaos grand alliance allegiance.
It will still be a strong army if you do mixed skaven

>>55077216
>>55077216
Right, the point is that its guilt by association to imply things are completely similar just because they have one trait (art design) in common.

>>55077197
>out of place

It isn't out of place. The game was built on them. The game is named after the age that came when they were completed and sent to reclaim the lands lost to Chaos.

It's like saying the space marine circle jerking is out of place. You may not like it, but it's there for a reason. And whining about it incessantly in this general isn't going to do anything to change it.

>>55077201
Great to hear. I hope you will have a lot of fun with this hobby

>>55077242
>art design
And fluff, so both traits are simmilar.

>>55077197
Yes, but we can also agree that complaining about it is preaching to the choir as much as complaining about space marines getting half the releases in 40k

>>55077258
What about the fluff is "simmilar"?

>>55077063
You're preaching to the choir, but tell me that you honestly can't see rules lawyers trying to pull that?

>>55077269
>What about the fluff is "simmilar"?
>>55077216
>MR isn't far from DoTa and LoL (just random decoration for games) and much beneath Azeroth.

>>55077201

glad you enjoyed it, now just remember the 3 rules and hopefully your stay in aos will be comfortable.

1) rule of cool, collect what you like, not what is best.
2) Play to have fun, unless your against a WAAC fag, then you have the general's permission to do your best to grind his face into the dirt.
3) When painting your models... remember to thin your paints. 2 Thin coats is the way to go.

>>55077230
Yeah But I don't really like the Chaos Alligence I feel the Skaven should have their own thing.

>>55077284
That's not an explanation of similarity, it's you stating your opinions about quality.

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>>55077258
>And fluff
Nah. Cite a MMO with similar fluff that wouldn't also be similar to old world fantasy

Also
>pic related

>>55077291

> 1) rule of cool, collect what you like, not what is best.

Kinda what I'm going Skaven. When I dabbled in WHFB like 15 years ago, I had a small set of skaven/beastmen and they were my favorite.

That said, I've seen some REALLY awesome models for other units. There was an Archaeon the Everchosen up today and holy hell did he look cool

>>55077271
Fluff text is not rules text, and GW has consistently held so.

Even if it was, the fluff text only specifies that the Runesmiter is on foot.

>>55077307
>>55077299
>That's not an explanation of similarity
Nice denial
>Cite a MMO with similar fluff that wouldn't also be similar to old world fantasy
WoW.
>>pic related
Alternative universe

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>>55077201
Since you are a new player here is some advice:
1. Beware the golden army or same-looking men. They are played only by the mentally unstable.
2. Since some of your skaven will come with square bases, if you aren't sure of what bases to use ask your GW manager or look for an official GW photo of the model from a book and use that same size base. Once they get reboxed that will be the base they come with
3. Get a warp lightning cannon or 2
4. If you want a verminlord, the Deceiver, Warbringer and Corruptor are all pretty good. Skitter leap is sweet and the Warbringer command trait will make your stormvermin more killy
5. If you want some eshin guys or non-standard models, get the new skaven blood bowl team and convert them to have weapons since they are plastic and look better than the old eshin stuff.

>>55077376
>WoW
>Is literally based off of old world fantasy
Kek

So, with the addition of Siege battles, I sort of want to build some sort of castle for all my different armies.

I think a siege battle would be a neat final battle in a campaign as well.

>fighting two chaos stacks with tree hitler
>win thanks to magic and lol arrows
>phyrric victory

Nice one CA

>>55077243
>Novel dedicated to faction who doesn't get much like love
>literally nothing but stormshitters spraying flawless golden shit everywhere

The artefacts for Seraphon are meh. As far as I can tell, the 'on death, roll 3+ and you heal D3 wounds] is pretty sweet. The -1 to hit all units within 12" of the unit is pretty good too. Put the revive thing on Slann and the debuffer on a melee unit and you're good. Re-rolling 1 on magic trait on a Slann is pretty good too.

>>55077421
Stormcast dont show up in the book, anon was memeing

>>55077405
Fuckin sprues, they are your friends. Use them to build walls, bridges etc

>>55077403
>>Is literally based off of old world fantasy
Not even close. WC1 and WC2 were based on Old World (DnD, story with Dark Portal), since WC3 setting moved to his own direction.

>>55077089
You seem to have the autistic personality to spend ages mastering a moba tho...who else would enjoy the slog of deathstar combat that WFB 8th was.

>>55077402

I was wanting to use round based for everything, is it gonna fuck me if I use square that it comes with or will I need to hunt down a bunch of round before I bother assembling and painting my army?

>>55077430
Anon, you just replied to the shitposter that is actually posting this meme. He is samefagging here a lot

>>55077409
>mfw playing as Norsca
>suddenly Throgg stack comes early on with Champions
>oh_shit_Im_on_legendary.jpg
>I have two stacks but one is winded due to running to defend the first stack
>I manage to win by making 12 units of Javelin Hunters target Throgg and killed him early on, managing to make the rest rout

And then I accidentally killed him in his final settlement instead of confeding. Throgg + Leon + Fay Enchantress and Isabella's trait for killing them are best.

>>55077449
The spiire of dawn box comes both with round and square bases. Try to use rounds ones if you can - GW is reboxing their old shit and all new boxes come with round bases so better start with them

>>55077446
Yeah because Shooting meta and armies which consist of spam of 2 units are much better.
But anyway, since when we've jumped from lore to rules?

>>55077465

Yea, I was just gonna buy a box of Stormvermin to fill it out the Spire skaven army to 1000 points and they come with Squares... so I'll need to buy another 20 round bases.

I'm also holding off on pulling the trigger for the purchase until I figure out what paint I want to buy. Gotten a lot of good advice but still can't decide. Mostly just want the typical skaven colors, so maybe Khorne red for the cloak plus a highlight, mournfang brown for the fur plus a highlight, cadian flesh for the skin... plus a highlight. Not sure what the highlights for those 3 are.

I also need a good metal

>>55077475
Since you jumped from art design to story

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>>55077354
>had a small set of skaven/beastmen
Yiff in hell furfag

>There was an Archaeon the Everchosen up today and holy hell did he look cool
Pic related

>>55077374
You have more faith in people than I do.

>>55077455
>phyrric victory instead of heroic

>>55077507
I've never jumped to story, only to setting, and it wasn't jumping because art-design are also part of the setting

>>55077431
I probably have enough spare skulls to make a small wall for a Deathrattle army to protect by now.

Jesus christ GW love their skulls.

>>55077532
It's based on how many troops you lost. You might have beaten him but you'd still be fucked if another stack is round the corner.

>>55075250
You're not even trying at this point.

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>>55077488
Buy your round bases on aliexpress - they are cheap as fuck. I have posted my painting scheme for skaven few threads ago but it is something like that
>mournfang brown for fur and wood (just use different shades)
>moot green for clothes and eyes (can be changed for any other green but believe me - you will end up with 7 different green paints one day)
>balthasar gold for metalic parts but leadbelcher is fine too
>abaddon black or mechanicus grey for clothes
>bugman's glow for fleshy parts like skin and tails
>zandri dust for claws, fangs and fuckin everything
Feel free to alternate this as you wish

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>>55077536
"What's that? Did you say that you needed more skulls?"

>>55075309
Yeah, try lying a bit harder BITCH!

>>55077488
What I was saying is check the base size.
Most skaven are on 25s.
Would stormvermin be on 25s still or 32s?

For example beastmen still come on squares, but when I looked at the Chaos GA book, I saw in the official photos that Gor were on 32s and Ungor were on 25s, so that's how I based them.

>>55077577
>>55077536
Best fuckin product since blood for the blood god technical paint

>>55077593

I imagine the same bases as Clanrats, no? They are 25 right?

>>55077593
>>55077617
Stormvermin are 25mm I think. Clanrats are 25mm and their bases are more than fine for them

>>55077617
I just checked the warscroll. there is a photo of them on it.
Yup looks like 25s to me. check the photo:
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-stormvermin-en.pdf

PROTIP:
You wont need to buy any new bases. The SoD box comes with rounds for all the High Elves as well.... so just use those rounds for your stormvermin. Sell the highelves with the squares

>>55074984
looking at the compendium lists...why does the brettonian noble champion not have a save at all? he has a shield...

>>55077676
Because they are pathetic mortal humans anon.
Buy Stormcast Eternals Today!

>>55077676
It's a typo Anon. If he would have no save it would be "-" instead of empty space

>>55077712
Do you ever get tired of shitposting?

So, just read Auction of Blood and it was a nice short story. What kinda surprised me however was how much of a shithole Greywater Fastness appears to be already. I mean, it was only last year (irl) that it was established, but the descriptions make it seem like a centuries-old city with distinct quarters, local customs and all. I know a lot of time can pass in the realms as opposed to here, but in this case it seemed like a lot.
Still, not bad.

>>55077727
Just report him. He got banned few times on 40kg and then he gave up and came here. Ignore his shitposting and report - that's all

>>55077727
But he is right, the new GHB shows that all armies without their battletomes will be replaced in time by new armies.

>>55076992

Honestly, it's not about liking or not SCE it's... being cheetafag being an idiot and trying to hide his insecurities. But yeah, it's a trainwreck

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Is nurgle start collecting + starter set a goob way to build a 1000pts nurgle daemons army or should I pick 2x SC + epidemius?

>>55077745
Except it doesn't? And we already have the rumors about multiple armies without battletomes at the moment getting ones, like Deathrattle?

>>55077744
>>55077727
Why do you assume there is only 1 person doing this?
Tons of people hate SCE

>>55077725
I see, what should it be?

Kinda interested in starting an army but...never liked mounted minis, would a peasant force led by noble champions be viable?

>>55077771
>1000pts
>when GW has made it much more difficult to get decent 1000 lists

My 1000 point list I used is now 50 points over, despite the REDUCTION in unit costs, all because of the battalion costs. Which isn't worth not having. Oh but wait, you can't take less of a min unit.

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>>55077676
If you use Inspect Element you can see that the 3+ save is actually there, but hidden under the statwheel.

>>55077783
Most people who hate SCE are sensible enough to not haunt an AoS general that has heard it a thousand times before.

>>55077798
Well Anon, you could at least take a look at the nurgle daemons point list to see by yourself that nothing changed for them. The start collecting box is still 500pts and the nurgle part of starter set is 600pts

>>55077730

It's been almost 50-80 years since the RGW, fwiw.

>>55077805
good eye, I see it on my copy now.

So speaking of snagging stuff from Aliexpress, anyone find any set of paintbrushes on there that they like?

>>55077828
Don't pay attention to him, he is just lazily trying to start the "battalions cost more, everything is ruined" argument again.

>>55077828
Oh right, well that's OK then. Carry on.

>>55077863
Fuck off, knob, loads of people have their lists fucked. I've gone down to 990, it's just means I either persuade my group to play 1250/1500/1750/2000 points, I'm going to be 10 points short.

>>55077842
Oh yes, I'm using two sets from aliexpress and I find them to be a decent choice for 1,5USD

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3PCS-1Set-Kolinsky-Acrylic-Nail-Brush-Professional-Brushes-Nail-Tools-Fashion-Nail-Art-Brush-for-Manicure/32798611769.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.vYKnKF
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2017-fashion-3pcs-lot-nail-tools-Red-

Soft-and-Professional-Pen-Nail-Art-Brushes-Tool-Set/32812703621.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.vYKnKF

Buy 2-3 sets at once. It take about two month to kill them for me but they are just okay for casual painting

>>55077902
>I've gone down to 990 (...) I'm going to be 10 points short.
And where is the problem?

>>55077902
Oh no, what will you possibly do with such an insurmountable disadvantage?

>>55077902
I take it the Triumphs are shit, then?

>>55076818
I don't want fantashits to win though.

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Fuck this shit guys. I tried to convert the epub with calibre but it stuck on 47% and don't want to work again

>>55077968
The epub isn't that bad at all. Not since another Anon recommended Readium to me.

>>55077902
You get a bonus when your army is under points....

>>55077902
So play 10 points short. Most armies aren't 1000 exactly, since that simply isn't possible for a lot of them.

>>55078116
He's either an extreme WAACfag, or he has no idea about the game if he's getting bent out of shape over being a few points short.

>>55078163
>>55078116
Or he is a troll and you are feeding him with (you)s

>>55078096
It's a single, randomly chosen reroll per battle. Not exactly mindblowing.

>>55078195
That still falls under the category of knowing nothing about the game, and just shitposting here because he's presumably been banned multiple times from /40kg/

>>55077902
AoS games are either 1000, 2000, or 2500.

Wait, slannytrannies finally got let in to AoS?

>an army of nerds that can't even convert an epub to pdf
So this is the level of Age of Skidward fans... wow.

>>55078429
Show us how it's done, senpai.

>>55078413
For a good while, Host of Slaanesh were in the first General's Handbook.

>>55078213
>reroll for 10 points
id take it.

Verminus battalion doesn't seem to be present in new gh2. Does that mean it doesn't exist in competitive play? Or can I still use the points cost from old gh

>>55078533
It's gone. So are all the other clawpacks

>>55077968
i just use simple epub reader, it worked for me (apart from my above mentioned, noble champion typo).

>>55078533
Repeat after me: "If it isn't listed, it never existed."

>>55076674

Those look super effin' snazzy.

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>>55078568
>mfw I always do this shit on my phone and just import to iBooks

>>55077968
I have the same problem. I was never able to convert anything from epub, with any program whatsoever.

Epub truly is the shittiest format ever made.

>>55078429
The hell is a skidward?

>>55078541
>>55078579
I'm half way through creating a horde sized verminus battalion army and now it's useless- all that time wasted and money, I can't imagine how upset all the verminus players with completed armies feel... Like isn't someone who buys a bunch of models someone GW would want to keep around? I'm seriously considering just going warmachine what a fucking waste

NEW DEATH FACTION FUCKING WHEN?!?

>>55078654
just a few more stormcast and chaos releases, lad

>>55078654
2021

>>55078619

why is it useless just play chaos allegiance and keep all your verminus units

>>55078682
Because battalions are the only way to play the game, obviously!

>>55078619
Same here but luckily I didn't spend this much - only two spire of dawn boxes and one pestilens start collecting. I'm thinking about FFG Legion but Runewars and Imperial Assault models are terrible and I'm worried about Legion models quality. GW makes good stuff but some of their """balance""" decisions are fucked up
>>55078682
Try playing verminus with no clawpack and the Lord of War and Crown of Conquest nerfed this hard

>>55078682
Because it doesn't get the benifit of the verminus battalion which gives all the bonuses which is the whole fucking reason to run the massive army

>>55078654
Christ no, please give the ones that already exist some love first. Some of those models are old enough to actually be from the Old World.

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>>55078705
>play the game the way I say, not the way you want to, and the way you want to play is wrong/WAACfag/autism/ad hom

>>55078762
Nobody is saying that. You can play the way you want to play, just don't act like a butthurt WAACfag when you're not as easily able to take a battalion in a low point cost army. It's not the end of the world if your army isn't minmaxed.

>>55078823
Not this anon but I see you don't understand the problem. The guy was building an army around a battalion that is not existing anymore. It's not like the battalion is more expensive - the whole point of making this army just disappeared. The verminus units need a battalion, CoC and LoW to be playable at all and verminus players just lost all these stuff. It's like removing the mark of chaos for the StD - maybe even worse

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>>55078619
>>55078715
Worry not. I see the great horned-horned one granting us a new battletome with all fellow vermin-kin. We are too big-large a group to be left behind yes-yes.

But seriously, pestilens not being able to ally with ratbringers but rather all the skaven clans also hints towards this. They'll probably just make a new battletome with a skaven or verminus, skryre, and pestilens allegiances. I can see verminous being allowed extra allies being a good ability.

>>55074984
Why are people so mad about t he new handbook.....AOS is NOT WHFB. That world is DEAD, this is why the phase out is finally happening. You people had 3 years to prepare.

>>55078885
>The verminus units need a battalion, CoC and LoW to be playable at all and verminus players just lost all these stuff.

except they dont need that to be playable at all. They are perfectly fine just being chaos allegiance and still use the exact same models. All he doesnt get is one or two abilities

>>55078970
No they are not fine like that. We want our rats to be a faction. You know like the Stormcasts and Treepeople.

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>Siege rules in GHB17

>>55078970
One or two abilities that makes them much worse if they don't have them>>55078945
.

>>55078942
As I said in previous thread, I would rather see some fluffy battalions for mixed skaven armies than more allegiance abilities. Right now there is no point in playing verminus or moulder at all - even as allies. Why picking unbuffable clanrats or stormvermin if you can just take another WLC?
>>55078970
>They are perfectly fine just being chaos allegiance and still use the exact same models
No, they are not. I gave it a try. I played against the same army i was playing before and had 66% win ratio before GHB17 (my gf's old aelf army). Now I have lost 5 games out of 6. The LoW and CoC are too random, there is no way to build a strategy around this. Clanrats, stormvermin and warlords are useless right now

>>55078945
Because removing keywords without providing a way for them to be used as allies if going to far.

>>55078945
I am not mad about the new handbook. It's fine. I am mad about the FAQ that came right before that removed the rules for all old characters in Age of Sigmar and making all the factions utterly generic.

>>55079008
Do tell kind anon.

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Anyone who has clanrats/plague monks batch painted, can you post pictures? I'm trying to find a quick, but nice looking paint scheme.

>>55079022

> No, they are not. I gave it a try. I played against the same army i was playing before and had 66% win ratio before GHB17 (my gf's old aelf army). Now I have lost 5 games out of 6. The LoW and CoC are too random, there is no way to build a strategy around this. Clanrats, stormvermin and warlords are useless right now

> calculating win ratio
> not a WAACfag

>>55079028
Compendiums are a way to let you play old army, not a way to integrate old armies with new. Never were meant to be. It's literally legacy support, not updating old shit.

>>55079008
I expected a lot more.
They are very disappointing

>>55079065
Of course we were calculating the win ratio - it wasn't hard when we played 6 games and tried to balance our armies

>>55079068
Then they should have kept them as they were. Cause they lost everything interesting about them.

>losing 5/6 games is fun

>>55079119

> losing 5/6
> blaming losses on a small rule change
> not having a control group
> not accounting for playing the same person learning your tactics

>>55079145
It's a pretty big rules change. Also I think they have fought before.

>>55079145
not that anon, it's just saying that calculating winrate = WAAC is dumb

>>55079119
Yeah, it wasn't fun for me same as losing 4/6 games wasn't fun for her
>>55079145
It wasn't about tactics We tried different battleplans etc. It was always the same problem - allegiance abilities are too random to buff verminus units and they end up as board blocker at best. It's a small rule change but the difference is huge

>>55079047
Not him, but basically Sieges work that, before the game, there are these 3 rolls to make.
>Starving (on 5+ units get d3 mortal wound before the game stats. Hero have +1)
>Batter (On a 5+ per building, they cease to function)
>Tunnel (roll off, if the attacker win he can put away some unit and came out from underground)

Before that, the players secretly choose one of 3 option they have, you reveal, see the matrix that will give the rolls above some modifiers.

That's it.

>>55079226
Not him man but can you not perhaps consider changing your army list a bit? I changed my Moonclan around a fair bit myself.

Question about the new soulblight traits. Let's say my general is a vamp lord on zd. Does the blood fury trait add to the maw and claw attacks from the dragon, or does it only affect the weapons from the lord?

>>55079355
So what is my alternative for 3 blobs of 40 clanrats that can not be buffed so they are about 50% less effective than they used to be? There is no other way to buff them so I have to pick another battleline unit but stormvermin suck too. My only option is to play skryre or pestilens tho

>>55079422
this, very disappointed in ghb2

>>55079422
Why not spread out the utility of your army list than relying on the blobs? Why not Rat Ogres mixed with Skryre AND the clan rats/vermin?

Best not put all your eggs in one basket.

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Is there any android epub reader that is not fucking up the epub files?

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>>55078654
Soon