Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for Slaanesh!

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Second for house greyjoy!

Is Mortarion one of the least accomplished primarchs pre and post heresy?

So. I just got my Space Marine Termie-Captain in and I need to Grey Knight him up. What weapon should I arm him with(I have bits of all of them except a hammer)?

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Third for da orkz!

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>>55063170

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>>55063204

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>>55063191

House rules you've added to bring back a semblance of strategy and balance into 8E?

Here are mine

>Vehicles have -1 to save from their rear arc. Land Raiders & any vehicle that previously had AV 14 rear is exempt from this.
>If any model is 50% obscured from the position of the firing model it gains a cover save of +1.
>Units without the fly special rules moving through cover roll 2d6 to advance and pick the lowest.
>no first turn deep striking allowed(either side)
>No first turn charging allowed (either side)
>Weapon skill values are compared like strength and toughness and you hit based on that value. So WS 3 against WS 4 hits on a 5 but 4 hits 3 on a 3. WS 10 hits WS 5 on a 2 and WS 5 hits back on a 6. This makes units with high WAS actually good again.
>First turn is a roll off with whoever placed all their units first gaining +1 to the roll (as per upcoming chapter approved)
>Night fighting is enforced for the first turn, so -1 to hit with ranged weapons beyond 12" for all units.
>No first blood in any mission
>If a unit fails a morale check and is within 1" of an enemy model both players roll off, if the player whose unit failed the morale check loses the roll off their entire unit is run down and removed from play.
>Special characters and super heavies can only be used with your opponents express permission.
>3 formation limit

Working on further rules for alternate unit activation, a system of pinning units and more in-depth morale.

Now terrain and positioning matter again , morale matters more and the game isn't decided by who goes first. No need to thank me.

How are shining spears now?

>>55063184
>Champion of Nurgle turns out to be less motivated

You shouldn't be shocked

>>55063190
Actually I do have a Hammer. I'll be chopping off Voldus's hammer because he's going into a Dreadknight.

>>55063184
I'll tell ya in about a hour. About to read the new Mortarion story. There really isn't much lore on his more personal acts, just a vague outsider viewpoint.

>>55063285

So your houserules are 'I miss 7e but my friends all play 8e'?

Anyone have a guide on what current paint colors used to be called? Thanks to a spill, I'm running low on Vermin Brown.

>>55063285

>Weapon skill values are compared like strength and toughness and you hit based on that value. So WS 3 against WS 4 hits on a 5 but 4 hits 3 on a 3. WS 10 hits WS 5 on a 2 and WS 5 hits back on a 6. This makes units with high WAS actually good again.

But units don't HAVE WS values any more besides the 3+/2+ etc.

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>>55063100

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FLASHING
FEAR ITS NAME
SLASHING
FEEL THE PAIN

>>55063285
>No need to thank me
dont flatter yourself 7th was more balanced than you house rule crap.

How viable are chaos daemons in 8th? Thinking about running an heretic army next, AdMech is complete soon.

Additionally, I like the summoning rules, are they any good? It sounds just awesome to summon daemons to fill currently needed roles.

Anyone got experience with those?

>>55063338
>>55063190
Anyone? Looking for what option would best suit a Brother Captain on the table.

>>55063457
Lol

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>>55063434
love it

>>55063598
literally the first result on google leads to dakka dakka compatibilitly chart

Fuck I wish we knew what was happening for the primaris line, I wanna see jet bikes god damn it.

>>55063603
point taken :(

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>>55063237

>>55063669
Just wait for their codex man. Right now they're not very mobile and will struggle in even semi-competitive metas.

>>55063184
He destroyed a SoB system by directing a Nurflite Ork warband at it.

He besieged another system but was stoppeed by Draigo right after he slaughtered the previous Grand Master.

He is now leading an all out assault on Ultramar having esblished a foothold in it called the Scourge Stars.

Lorgar and Fulgrim are the least accomplished. With Fulgrim only managing to wound Girlyman and then doing nothing else, and Lorgar locking himself in excile for 10K years.

>>55063698
Didn't Mortarion flee from Gulliman at the Scourge Stars?

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>>55063237

>glue
>40.00

>>55063728
Mortarion is also a little bitch and typhus BTFO of him. He's a little dork of a primarch, and Leman Russ probably stole his lunch money everyday.

>>55063698
Fulgrim killed Ferrus Manus and Lorgar had a huge impact on the setting by introducing both the Imperial Cult and Primordial Truth.

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>>55063728
No.

The Rift Wars were about to start so Nurgle recalled all the Nurglite forces in Ultramar for the grand pissing contest between the gods. Mort was forced by his god's order to retreat to the Scourge Stars and defend Nurgle's holding from the greedy hands of his fellow gods.

The Rift War has been settled now Morty is free to pursue his chosen agenda of destroying Ultramar.

>>55063760
A lot better than the 7 bucks I pay for mine.

>>55063797
We are talking Post-HH.

>>55063760
Thats 40kr, which means its in the 5-7$ range, depending if its danish or swedish

>>55063800
>Nurgle conquers 3 systems
>Noxias
>Rottgrave
>Verminox

Fuck, please stop it GW. Too on the nose.

>>55063170
What is dead may never die

So it's pretty much a guarantee that Chaos will win the 2 remaining planets? Also, are CSM finally worth a shit?

>>55063813
Oh, then ya. Praying and partying for 10,000 years.

>>55063285
Git gud scrub

>>55063634
Uhhh...wrong guy you replied to?

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Asking again cause I'm fuckin' stumped

RENEGADE CSM

Battalion Detachment

HQ: Daemon Prince of Khorne w/ Daemonic Axe = 170
HQ: Chaos Lord on Bike w/ Murder Sword (paid for power sword, replaces pistol) = 117

Troops: 20x Cultists w/ Autopistol/Brutal assault weapon = 80
2x Troops: 5x Chaos Marines w/ flamer = 74 each, 148

Elites: 10x Berzerkers w/ 9 Chainaxes (replaces pistols), 2x LCs (Champion) and Icon of Wrath = 191
Elites: 5x Chaos Terminators w/ combi-flamers/lightning claws = 250

Heavy Support: 3x Obliterators = 195
Heavy Support: Land Raider = 356

Dedicated Transport: Rhino = 72

Supreme Command Detachment

HQ: Exalted Champion w/ Powerfist (replaces chainsword) = 82
HQ: Terminator Sorcerer w/ Combi-Melta = 173

1834

Got another Termie Lord to finish the Command squad but don't know how to equip him. Judging by the firepower I have in this list, what would you recommend? Only rule is something that takes advantage of the renegade trait, so Assault guns and CC weapons preferred. Intoxicating Elixir possible.

>>55063829
I brought this up before, the consensus was that they get renamed appropriate names.

>>55063829
That's what it was renamed, not what they were originally called.

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I found this fine sculpts made from finecast.
Beside objective markers any idea on what to use them?

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Post your picture and people guess what you play.

I'll start.

>>55063939
bits for Deldar boats

>>55063949
No.

>>55063949
Sob

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>>55063290
anyone

>>55063949
You play with my benis

>>55063939
Dark Eldar slaves. T'au Human Forces captured loyal Imperial slaves for a Commander? Slaanesh Champion slaves. SoB Repentia?

>>55063949
>qt posing with a Chadmarine
When will marinelets ever learn?

>>55063949
Beauty filter

>>55063776
Ku'Gath was downright hilarious.

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>>55063939
By the way I play Witch Hunters and I'm trying to make a Penitente Knight.
Basically add a Penitent Engine pilot to the Knight face when using a melee variant

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Tactical question
which choice would be better:
>master of ordnance beside my two basilisks for the once per game arty bombardment and reroll 1's
>Priest, giving +1 attacks to my 36 kriegers (which would work in tandem to the regimental standard giving 3 attacks for each guardsmen)

>>55063123
Not a sick tongue. Your disappointing me slaanesh. Dark Eldar +1.

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>>55063949
>dat bat necklace

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Fluff wise in regard to Scouts; what makes them quiet ? what makes them a good infiltration unit ?
Reading some Ragnar books he remarks that the marine armor is heavy and crushes the ground underneath it, leaves huge crater's of footprints etc. Even removing some plates surely the weight of the marine and the servo's on them are going to be making a fuck load of noise.

>>55064029
ordinance, because everyone knows that's the only god you should trust on a battlefield

>>55064201
Scouts wear guardsman armor. No servers, just large man.

>>55064201
Scouts don't wear power armor.

>>55063237
>Using a sprue piece as a mast.
I love it!

>>55064005
Yeah he's cool. But that has nothing to do with morty being a fucking dweeb.

>>55063974
are those from some aftermarket company? I must know
and no idea how good they are, figured GW has pretty much squatted them, seeing as the old kit only works with the oop jetbikes. Plus no eldar dex yet.

Are company veterans good?

I like that the rules are basically "equip them with whatever you want aside from heavy weapons"

Mix and match shooty and choppy and whatever

>>55064201

I would assume the power armor has some sort of operating noise just from the power pack

Since scouts don't have power armor, no operating noise

Elixir goes on the DP, preferably with talons.

>>55064235
>no servers

get the fuck out of here magos

>>55064287
>[reeeeeees in binary]

>>55064281
SoB use power armour for scouting.
Since they allow faster movement.

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>>55064235
>>55064244
Isnt the carapace with the servo connections drilled into their flesh ?

>>55063698
>destroyed SoB
This isn't an accomplishment. They exist exclusively to job for GW.

>>55063221
>>55063204
>>55063170

That is really cool, well done.

>>55064375

I'm not sure if scouts have the black carapace put in yet, isn't it the last thing you get before becoming a full space muhrine?

>>55064308

Mind you, the profile for a SOB in power armour is smaller than a marine in carapace armour. The advantages to not being a hulking meat monster in that area.

>>55064403
That is basically SoB lore.
Oddly enough thanks to GW incompetence SoB are rather good glass cannon army.

t. SoB player

>>55063285
>tldr
>autist hates change and tries to make 8th suck like the worst edition of 40k ever printed

>>55064403

The wonders of being 'Elite enough to not a generic foe' but not actually being a marine.

Oddly enough, SOB seem like they'd be one of the best factions for taking on Nurgle demons. They have literal healing miracles and hospitalers are some of the best doctors in the Imperium.

>>55063290

Never seen them played, but they look solid.

>>55064414
>>55064375
The black carapace is an organic shell that allows your power armor to "plug in" to you and allows you to directly interface with the armor's machine spirit. There are no moving parts or noises associated with it.

>>55063698
Fulgrim killed girlyman the first time around.

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>>55064414
Depends on the chapter, Wolves use old marines to scout because of their battlefield knowledge and heightened scenes.

>>55064419

>Oddly enough thanks to GW incompetence SoB are rather good glass cannon army.

>Oh, I haven't got any new tanks?
>Well neither do you now.

>>55063184
He's (ironically) one of the more active primarchs post heresy.

I wouldn't really call him successful, but that's arguably his most endearing trait. Dude fucks up constantly. Feels like a real character almost, rather than a self righteous hot air balloon.

>>55064264
I'm not sure, warseer is a nightmare to traverse when the jpg are always fucking links..

>>55063237
noice

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>>55063974
actually very good. I've played them for 4 games now and they've made back points in every single one, but a conceal warlock goes a LONG way to helping them survive to hit target.

one of the better uses for a squad of 5 is to pop a weakened transport with shooting, then charge the contents and likely remove them outright.

I've run them with a lance autarch once, and while expensive, that combination was a wrecking ball.

if you want to kitbash some easily, just get the windrider bikes and then some of the Dark Elf Cold One Knights or HE Dragon Blades, the arm socket is the same once you carve out the tab on the inside of the torso socket.

it helps that I use pic related as a DISTRACTION CARNIFEX and land raider removal device.

>>55063949
You don't play and just found some chicks picture online trying to get (you)s

Friend of mine is looking to start Orks, the guy is pretty into the idea of looted stuff. I know they don't have much of that going on at the moment, but I'd like to be able to point him towards some conversions, what can you do with leman russes, predators, and rhinos?

>>55064486
>I can relate to failures.

There's nothing more pathetic than a heretic.

>>55064403
Yup. The Warmasons Cult had SoB shooting point blant en masse against Iron Warriors and not even scratching the paint but single return shots were OHKO. Which is odd. The crunch says they have the same save but Marines have Black Carapace which makes them tougher in crunch. Which is fine.

In Shroud of Night, they job heavily as well against the protags, but they at least manage to kill some of them or severely injure them. Celestine being able to 'tire' is, however, fluff too far to me. Couldn't you have just had her not be able to keep up with a blood mad Kharn rather than have her 'tire'. I mean she knew she was dying and she let the Alpha Legion go to help the Imperium (in a way anyway, it's ambiguous), it would have been better having her know she'd never beat Kharn but realising she can't hold him off forever and it's all about time, rather than becoming tired. She's a god imbued divine being; sure she had just killed a Keeper of Secrets which was making the other SoB wet but shouldn't really matter.


Anyway, point is, SoB are used when having Marines die easily just won't sell. Once upon a time it was just pure ryona fetish, now it's a way of making protag/antags 'powerful' without diminishing the power of their main sellers (Space Marines).

>>55064419
That's literally been their story since the white dwarfs because, guess what, they've poorly copied everything since the white dwarf. The WD pamphlet got shit on, but it wasn't actually that bad. I had plenty of great games with it, and and even managed to beat a leaf blower in a tournament (placed 7th out of 65).

>>55064459
You can fit 4 squads with 5 Meltagun Dominions in 4 Repressors. Under 1000 points.
All moving 24"+D6" turn one.

Meltaguns are magical for SoB, beside SB spam in Battle Sister Squads there is little reason to get anything else

>>55064528
its worse, they're just stolen from reddit frontpage. not even low effort meming, just no effort shitposting for (you)s

>>55063918
Bump anyone? I really need this as I need to physically build the model.

>>55064552
It's a dude, right? That chest looks manly.

>>55064540
SoB have had more rules/codex release than Chaos Marines

>>55064526
I want to run Ynnari with shadow spectres and I think shining spears would go perfectly with Yncarne

>>55064538
Pretty much. They're an army of Piccolo from DBZ

>>55064526
can you really call a scorp, a distraction carnifex?

it's literally made of rape.

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>all the Star Wars babies in the area are crying about possibly having to paint minis for Legion.

>>55064538
>Emperor
>a god
pick one

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>>55064569

>>55064569
And yet nothing has changed.

>>55064542
>You can fit 4 squads with 5 Meltagun Dominions in 4 Repressors. Under 1000 points

>Melta guns are $9.9
>superiors are $12
>each squad costs $51.6 with no options
>$206.4 for the 4 squads
>Repressor only available from recast

Makes me glad I've been playing them so long, but even I only have 8 melta guns. This is the first time in a long while I've felt strapped for special weapons.

>>55064611
Yet somebody is still trying to push the meme that GW is dead, despite GW's stock value being worth more than it's ever been in it's history. It's just shilling and should be reported as shilling and GR3. Make a thread about it and talk, sure, but not "LOL GW IS CONFIRMED DEAD RIP{IP LMAO!!11111ecksdeeeee!"

>>55064538

My preferred situation with St Celestine would have been her dying but winning a tactical victory over Kharn (Destroying something he wanted/keeping him away from a goal). Keep them both looking good, as he's an unstoppable monster of a combatant but she's wise and with a lot of sight of the bigger picture. It doesn't make Kharn look bad to be outdone tactically (That's not really his thing) or Celestine losing in a straight up brawl with him (That IS his thing)

>>55064620
He's wrong if he's counting all releases (CSM have had supplements and cults and daemonkin), but he's right in that CSM's last codex was 6E while SoB's last codex was 7E, even though SoBfags love saying "that doesn't count because it's digital" even though they all use it

>>55064577
go for it, I runn a saim-hann style craftworld/corsairs mix, and the shadow spectres I have always do decently well. they're hard to shift because of the -1 to hit in cover, and running them and everything else MSU forces my opponents to pick targets carefully.

if you need troops and want to save on points, take a look at corsair skyreaver bands, or kabalites in venoms (can use scourges with replacements for the wings to make easy shardcarbine skyreavers with 1 darklance per 5)

if you're not concerned about troops given the rumors of ynnari troops not getting obsec, then you could just go all-in on spectres, spears, darklance clouddancers (use reaver jetbikes and war-walker/HWP brightlance bits), and shuricannon windriders

>>55064600
well, when faced with 3 sources of rape (Scorpion, Shining Spears, Spectres) you have to make a choice which one to shoot first, and the biggest seems to always win that bit of psychology, even if it isn't the actual best choice. (it can only target one thing, the others can splitfire and work in more phases)

>>55064668
Exactly, he's wrong. He said 'rules/codex' not 'codex'. The last physical SoB codex was 5th and saying 'b-b-but digital' is like going 'Traitor's Bane, Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter, Daemonkin, Thousand Sons and Warzone Fenris don't count'.

That's like saying Adeptus Custodes and SoS got a 7th edition codex cause they got a 4 page pamphlet in Talon's of the Emperor. Not a SoBfag either but claiming SoB got more rules than them is outright wrong AND if you want to be technical, SoB didn't exist until 6th, they used to be Witch Hunters, which had Inquisitors and such in it.

>>55064620
>2nd
Sisters of Battle
Chaos
>3rd
Witch Hunters
Chaos Space Marine
>4th
Chaos Space Marines
>5th
White Dwarf: Sisters of Battle
>6th
Adepta Sororitas
Chaos Space Marine
7th
Imperial Agents

Then 8th let Chaos have equal number of codex with SoB

>>55064542

I prefer 5 SB + 5 melta in each repressor
SB disembark after the free move and mulch infantry / cap objectives.

>>55064553
Dual Claws
Blender Lord

>>55063918

Elixir, powerfist and combi-melta

>>55064761
But that is no longer under 1000 points with 20 meltas

>>55064743
You said rules/codex, not codex. You got supplements galore. You're also ignoring outright specific codex like Thousand Sons and Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter. Hell you got the Imperial Armour 13 which was 100% Chaos. SoB got like one entry in IA2.

>>55064729
Sisters of Battle exist since 2nd they had their own Codex

>>55064809
2nd Edition, they then became Witch Hunters and the dude is including WHITE FUCKING DWARF rules as a codex. That's beyond retarded. He's also ignoring all the other codex they got.

This must be elaborate bait, so I'm out. Nobody is this retarded thinking SoB got more rules than CSM.

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>>55063949
>its a girl
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee..eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee................eeeeeeee...eehh-ehehe.
Ah whatever. You're a fucking Night(edge)lord chaosfag.
...not like we dont have enough of those....

its the bat neclace

>>55064801
Still right on the codex only. Totally forgot about the supplement spam

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>>55064729
>SoB didn't exist until 6th

Wrong.

>>55064856
I meant after 2nd, I retyped that sentence so many times cause autism.

>>55064851
Nothing wrong with white dwarf.
Specially if it triggers chaos babies

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>>55064852
>girl

>>55063949
tranny facial structure

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>>55063191
>>55063237
good.

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>>55064888
>>55064904
OH GOD.
YOUR RIGHT: I WAS MISTAKEN
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS WORLD OF OURS.

>>55064944
is dark time we live in when we cant immediatly recognize man or woman. sad.

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>>55063949
Nice try Elijah Wood, you can't fool me

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What's his name again?

>>55065003
Mudslop Shitflinger

>>55064980
A Trans-Man and a Trans-Woman have sex.

Is it gay?

>>55065023
probably not.

>>55065003
Farmer Slimeon'er with his trusty steed Scoots.

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>>55065023
>tfw you finally realize what he is looking at now....

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>>55065082

>>55065023
its hot as fuck

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on the topic of trannies anyone want to hear a story?
>be playing 40k with the ladz in local hobby shop
>really fucking obvious 6ft tranny comes in with tumblr friend.
>they look around the shop mostly but at the end they come over to the tabletop area of the shop where everyone is playing 40k.
>start laughing and pointing at 40k games, whispering to each other.
>hear them call us freaks/nerds or whatever.
>they leave.
>mfw.

>>55063285
Your house rules sound like a bunch of "waaahh, I lost to this once"

>>55063285
>waaah i lost to some of this stuff
>waaah i like 7th

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>>55065134
KEK
I would've laughed my ass off if someone looking like that came in the store and called my and my buds "nerddddz".

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>>55064611
Yeah they're whining continuously about how evil grognards are going to enter their hobby.

It's weird seeing people who are actually proud of being more pleb-tier than others. But it's Star Wars, and Star Wars is Disney, and Disney is Marvel, and dear god what happened to the world?

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>>55065134
Fucking kek holy shit.

Might I ask what city you're in?

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>>55063285

>>55065082
i like my snip pic being out there

>>55065222
More like a town, it's in the Silicon Valley so people like that are expected.

>>55065230
???

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>>55065230
Its a great reaction image, just like this one that became a meme in the WIP thread:

>>55064801
>SoB got like one entry in IA2.

But WHAT an Entry. The Repressor has basically never let us down. Do kinda wish it a was a bit better in melee in 8e but that's a very unimportant thing in general.

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>>55065023

>>55065234
Oh makes sense.
I'm from Toronto area and we had that for a while, but the hobby stores are so few and far between now that the more cancerous elements of the city (autists excluded) don't even find the places anymore.

>>55065230
I don't. It's just perpetuating the pseudo-namefag bullshit that's ruining these threads.

>>55065134
>mfw you just took it like a cuck

Tranny calling someone else a freak is like the lowest hanging fruits of easy comebacks.

>>55065023
Is it in the pooper?

>>55065279
Sometimes it's just better to not engage though.
When someone thrives off of victimization, the last thing you want to do is give them attention.

>>55063100
>Tfw you want to play 40k but there's a hurricane outside
Fug.

>>55065281
>anal is gay

I bet this faggot doesn't even rub dicks together with cute girly traps

anybody play this weeks Konnor Mission? Whats stopping me from jumppack spam and just leaving the table

>>55065293
>Mfw roommate who plays and home table

>>55065297
In fact I do not.
I do however become intimate with reverse traps.

So, which dreadnoughts in the Regular Marine Codex are worth using?

I'm thinking about possibly building an all dreadnought list.

I'm particularly interested in the Redemptor and Ironclad dreadnougths

>>55065306
Nothing, GW can't mission design

>>55065293
Just treat the hurricane like a free Zone Mortalis catastrophic damage table

>>55065292
This. You fire back, tranny makes a scene, suddenly you're being witch hunted on the internet or the cops will get involved because god forbid you hurt a tranny's feelings. When did this shit ever become acceptable? Up until two years ago you'd literally never hear about this sorta shit at all and now suddenly it's supposed to just be okay.

>>55065306
My three Hydras

>>55065322
>Not running one of each from each chapter
Call them the Justice League

>>55065322
Ironclad is good but really needs a drop pod, so kitbash, proxy or get a dreadnought drop pod for it. Venerables are great and so are Redemptors, they're not like excellent but good.

>>55065267
sorry bro just got pride in seeing the guard do what they do best, suffer.

>>55065336
I'm not exactly saying that it would become an issue for you legally or w/e. That's possible given where he lives though.

I just mean, don't encourage them. It's bad for you, and it's bad for them.

>>55065321
And then you stick it up their butt right?

>>55065322
Grav/grav Leviathan
Storm/storm Leviathan
Possibly gun/claw Leviathan
All Deredeo
All Mortis Contemptors
TLAC or TLLC Mortis Dreadnought
Ironclads
Siege Dreadnoughts

Don't know about the special BA ones.

>>55065367
Still gives that faggot attention. We're anonymous for a reason

>>55065366
I've been looking at Iron clads for some tough, close combat beatstick with two heavy flamers.

I've also been looking at Redemptor but damn is it pricey.

Vendreds are fun as always

>>55065338

And what is stopping me from flying a LoW turn 1 off the board (not a flyer) and winning before chaos gets 1st turn?

>>55065396
Redemptors are also good

>>55065413
Like literally what?

>>55065396

double twin autocannon venerable and normal mortis are also great.

>>55065396
I'm just talking from the Codex.
Don't want to delve too deeply into the FW hole.

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>>55065385
That would be wrong anon.

>>55065023
>>55065251
We're just gonna have to dive in there and find out for ourselves

>>55065413
24 S8 shots that hit on 3+ rerolling ones.
From my 3 Hydras

Psychic Dread for TSons

Please GW I need this!

>>55065438
Venerable Lascannon has been a staple in my list for an eternity. So much has to go into him to take him out while hes in cover and he hits on a 2 up

but I play salamanders so....

>>55065451
Sorry, only Bangles get that.

>>55065438

Double twin auto or twin auto / twin LC venerable are the only good gunline options outside FW.

>>55065430
Yeah I included those under "TLAC Mortis Dreadnought". Generally if you know which guns are good, then they will be good when mounted on a Dreadnought chassis as the Dreadnought is decent in 8E.

Just don't take something retarded like multi melta fist regular dread. Also hurricane bolters are decent.

>>55065447

And when are you shooting since i'm off the board on my turn 1 and imperium always has the 1st turn?

>>55065467
Yeah.
Those are always fun.

>>55065470
Are ironclads all that good at punching or are dreads still reserved for backline gun-lines?

>>55065468

GKs too

>>55065468
Keking My Ass Off Rolling On The Floor Kekking @ Thousand Cucks

>we wuz da psychic legion
>we wuz kangs

>>55063862
The only reason Chaos will win anything is due to a massive lopsided stealing of Imperium points by Xenos factions

>>55065519
It'll just be a 3-3 tie
Broken by Morty and the DG release

>>55065529
>GW has managed to get the players to perpetuate the stalemate.

>>55065248
I remember GW, in their White Dwarf, made it Fire Ports 2 instead of 4. When somebody asked a FW day, apparently, one of the designers said 'That's wrong, look at how many windows it bloody has' or something like that. It has 6 ports and it only had 2 shots? Thankfully it has 6 now, which isn't bad.

5 Repressors with 4 Heavy Flamers is a fun suicide unit. Since you got no negative for driving as fast as you can into a horde and unleashing 4 Heavy Flamer attacks.

It's also a very useful Tank killer with 4 Multi-Melta's, it's a good long range shredder with Heavy Bolters.

Only downside is the -1 to hit if you move more than 4" but you're gonna be fine if you stick with heavy bolters. Multi-Melta's are something I'd keep in reserve so to speak to deal with tanks or powerful units. Heavy Flamer, as I said, as suicide units. 4 Heavy Flamers + Bolter isn't bad even if you get it off once, plus the Flamer and Storm Bolter of the Repressor itself.

Speaking of which, the Bolter on the Sister Superior doesn't have -1 to hit cause of movement, right? Cause it isn't Heavy? Or is it -2 to hit if you move with Heavy weapons in a vehicle? Pretty sure you count as moved if you move 4" or more or some shit.

>>55065529
>>55065549
>Those who cast the votes decide nothing; those who count the votes decide everything.

>>55065549
Someone post the tallyman fucker fudging the numbers

>>55065505

Punching is good, hurricane bolter isn't shit anymore

>>55065470

Unfortunately those are now illegal. You have to ask your opponent if you can use them.

>>55065576
Is it worth using the hurricane bolter if you aren't trying to save points though?

I'm kicking around an idea for an all dread list and I'm thinking about making some Vendred twin las AT-snipers, all melee iron clads for the punching, and a redemptor or two for fire support.

>>55063285
All those changes and you didn't stop auras from affecting vehicles?

>>55065551
>Speaking of which, the Bolter on the Sister Superior doesn't have -1 to hit cause of movement, right?

No penalty, no.

>>55065451
If GW is smart they'll make it into a pre-game stratagem, like 1CP to turn a single Helbrute into a psyker who knows smite and something else.

>>55065605

>All those changes and you didn't stop auras from affecting vehicles?

What's wrong with that? They are units like anything else.

>>55065623
Neat. So 'counting as moved' is 4" in a vehicle?

>>55065451
Fine. They'll have the same statline as a regular dread, but with 1 less movement and a 5++, only be able to use the Aspiring Sorcerer version of Smite, and cost 12 power. Happy?

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>>55063100

>>55065682
No, because no one can ever be happy.

I do wish that TS can take broader range of stuff. I would kill to take some regular ass flesh marines so they can pilot shit and ride on bikes

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So disappointing the colour scheme. I know they have a less skilled painter at FW (and it seems sculptor, they all seemed to have gone to GW) these models are amazing but are ruined by the glow/heat from the guns. They look like nerf guns. Is it 100% heat or is it some sort of plasma/laser type shit? They're some special kind of weapon, Ancaratic Destroyers or some shit. Green would be a good spot colour, or purple. I probably wouldn't paint it at all, leave it metal.

>>55063100
Is that firewarrior being lifted up by that terminator getting facefucked by a gaint fly ?!

Is that somebody's fetish ?

>>55065643
Azrael and Guilliman are pure cancer.
GW FAQed out WotP from working on vehicles

>>55065708
I'd really like to have some havocs or powerfists for my 1ksons...

>>55065717
They're suppose to be some type of Dark Age of Technology death ray guns that are super rare. But it does indeed like they're holding toy guns with that paint job.

Their poses are also the opposite of dynamic.

>>55065685
Nice, some easy gold there mate.

>>55065743
Some power weapons other than swords on termis would be nice.

You can rape MEQ and NOTHING else

>>55065734

Ah. I think that's more tied to particular auras rather than auras themselves. A cannoness handing out 'Reroll 1s' to Exorcists for example won't break much and I think the Mechanicus would go and cry in the corner if machines couldn't get buffs.

>>55064436
Armor facings and opposed WS were not what made 7th a shit festival.

>>55065717
The guy on the right bothers me so much

>Pound it brother

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>>55065743
>TFW these are not allowed to have Thousand Sons as legion keyword
>Guess they'll have to be some renegade random normies now

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>>55065748
I don't mind that as they're Terminators, I think stocism is a good trait, they shouldn't be looking graceful and fluid and dynamic. In my opinion anyway. I know it's a DAoT weapon but I have no idea how it works and if the glow is due to some power source or is just the metal heating up from firing. If it's the former, great, I can do a different colour, if it's the latter, fuck.

The SoS are great too but they're not that dynamic. Not that I mind, honestly. Dynamism should be for Eldar and fast attack shit. I've liked all of SoS and Custodes shit so far. But I won't buy any until they're either confirmed in 8th or not.

>>55065782
For you anon.

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>>55065801
I feel this pain

>>55065841
Heh
Thanks

>>55064476
>chaos is a single belief system
I mean it was garbage already but you made it even worse.

>>55065848
meant for >>55065829

>>55065829
If we assume normal laws of physics, the tip glow is from the metal getting red hot, and the barrel glow is from the weapon ammunition.

What are the most accomplished Chaos primarchs, from best to worst?

>>55065888
Angron and Magnus have accomplished the most post-Heresy at least.

>>55065888
Magnus accomplished his goal of sitting around for 10k years. Seems pretty nice compared to the rest of them.

>>55065829
All I can find on them is that they fire energy beams that 'unravel' anything caught in them, "leaving only a flaring after-image of what was"
Even if it generates heat, I doubt the guns would be permanently glowing red hot from it. Because that is not something you want a gun to do ...

>>55065927
Custodes have reality guns?
neat

>>55065888
Angron > Magnus > Mortarion > Lorgar > Fulgrim > that other one

>>55065917
Uh... Magnus is only behind Angron in the "gets shit done" category of post-heresy.

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>>55063949
Ok. What do I play?

>>55066008
Dark Angels

>>55066008
With yourself

>>55065927
Thanks lad. Might do it purple then or something.

>>55066008
the bassoon or hurdy-gurdy

>>55066026
top kek

>Want to assemble my guys to play tomorrow
>Painting fully assembled figures is a pain
>I have no magnets/putty
What do?

Why are the Imperials losing so badly?

>>55063598
Please?

>>55066067
Tallyman is fudging the numbers.

>>55066067
Because the UK needs to be gassed.

Thinking of running a chaos army, what are the bro tier legions, and who are the faggots?

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>Kor Phaeron will never be your dad

why even live

>>55066125
The region is UK and the rest of the world, Anon.

Blame everyone, not just us.

>>55066157
>bro tier legions
Thousand Sons, Word Bearers, Death Guard
>faggots
Emperor's Children, World Eaters

>>55066157
>Bro Tier
1kSons, EC, Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors
>Faggots
Word Bearers, Night Lords, Black Legion, World Eaters

Is conscript spam an actual problem or just a meme here?

I haven't played any ig players recently

>>55066204
It wins major tournaments

>>55066157
>bro tier
Emperor's Children
>faggots
also Emperor's Children

>>55065023
If smashing plastic together is gay I've got bad news for you all.

>>55066167
>Angron killed an Eldar party as a baby with half of his skull torn off
>Curze survived and eventually conquered arguably the worst, most horrible world in the galaxy, all alone
>Lion was living in Chaos corrupted woods, fighting off both mutations and temptations as a toddler
.
.
.
>Lorgar allowed himself to be bullied and made into a bitch by an old faggot
Just when you think him being WORST PRIMARCH cannot get any more set in stone.

>>55066179
>>55066191
Why the difference on Word Bearers and EC?

>>55066247
I'm the guy with EC in bro tier.

I also took into account the playerbase of the Legions.

>>55066204

I play IG, and yes it's a real problem not a fake one. The price for conscripts is right, but their staying power on the table when combined with commissars is overpowered. This is partly because of how commissars effectively negate morale, and partly because changes to the game this edition have left most armies with fewer tools for drilling through hordes of bodies as quickly as they used to.

>>55066157
>bro tier
Black Legion, World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Death Guard, Word Bearers

>Faggots
Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Emperor's Children

>>55066247
Both are faggots but call the each other faggots. One is the "I was molested by a priest" faggot and the other is just plain old faggotry.

>>55066247
By ''bro tier'' i assumed you meant camaraderie, both inside and outside the Legion. Word Bearers are the only ones who remained a fully organized Legion, they care for each other (to differing extents), and have great relations with every other legion. EC are a bunch of arrogant, insane narcissists who stab each other in the back over the smallest of slights or the pettiest of whims and literally every other Legion hates them so much they hunted them close to extinction and permanently splintered them.

>>55064611
>all the Star Wars babies in the area are crying about possibly having to paint minis for Legion.
X wing minis all come preassembled and painted, given that I can understand the complaints. That said it's also real easy to drop megabux on models as fielding them is as simple as opening the box.

>>55066247
First are like fanatical daemon crusaders

Second full blown tumblr degenerates

>>55066213
You had people thinking riptide spam and eldar were memes even at the end of 7E, people will never believe because they're too fucking stupid to look up simple GT results.

I play Thousand Sons and people get mad every time I use Magnus, so I need an alternative way to pop tanks. I currently have 2 lascannon helbrutes, which tend to die immediately in my vehicle heavy local meta. Any suggestions? I'd like to avoid resorting to an allied detachment of 3 lascannon havoc squads with a reroll monkey behind them, but if that's the price to be paid for no Magnus....

>>55066321
I bring Termis with missiles and prey to tzeentch for spiked rolls

Has worked so far, currently awaiting extra eyes

>>55066321
Laspreds, that's what I use
For Magnus, you can get two of them.

>>55066306
>literally every other Legion hates them so much they hunted them close to extinction and permanently splintered them.
I thought they got splintered in Skarlathrax.

>>55066175
>braiming innrocent uganda and hong kong for your faerings

shamefur dispray

>>55066306
>and have great relations with every other legion
They actually hate the Alpha Legion.

>>55066355
You're thinking of World Eaters.

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>>55066247
Word Bearers in the lore are the biggest cunts, and their rules are honestly kind of trash unless you dedicate yourself to mixing daemons and CSM together and using their strengths to compliment each other, such as by using the daemon keyword CSM to get buffs from Heralds and using Daemon Princes who can buff both you're gonna have a bad time.
Also Summoning is pretty unreliable.
They probably have different opinions on the usefulness of summoning.

Emperor's Children are currently the best legion.
Delightful Agonies is a great power, breaking the "charge first fight first" rule is a good legion trait, and their daemon princes can get up to 12 strength 10 attacks in melee at -2AP and damage 2.
On top of this EC have the best aesthetic and the only thing that can match a dedicated melee force from Emperor's Children are World Eaters, who surpass EC in melee by a small margin when fighting against Imperium, but by a bit more against everything else. Depends on what you want, World Eaters are better at fighting monsters, Emperor's Children are better at fighting hordes. A horde of Genestealers will win against Berzerkers with Chainaxes through sheer attrition, Noise Marines with Chainswords will bring down that same horde using a mixture of sheer number of attacks using Excess Violence, and then kill even more with music of the apocalypse.
Lucius and Kharn are almost even in a pure melee fight too, with Kharn having a slight edge from his 4++ invul.
As for shooting, Noise Marines have the most versatility and range across the board.

>>55066376
Alphas are an exception to any rule.

>>55063100
Any news on not-Sanguinus return?

>>55066390
But I thought the EC were at Skarlathrax too? Or were they already splintered by then?

>>55066376
proofs? i believe you, i just like reading about word bears being salty/shit on

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>>55066341
>227 points base for 5 Scarabs

>>55066400
Why though? I'm halfway through Dark Disciple and they haven't mentioned why.

>>55066410
World Eaters where fighting Dark Eldar when Kharn did his thing, i belive. EC got splintered in the Eye cause they started raiding other Legions for slaves and spoils.

>>55066420
The Dark Disciple novel. Marduk briefly mentions them as the 'hated Alpha Legion'.

>>55066398
>arrogant slaneeshfag bashing other legions while claiming to be the best
Like pottery.

>>55066433
Their entire foundation goes against everything Space Marines stand for.
>covert-ops infiltrators that make extensive use of human operatives and value subterfuge, sabotage and espionage over any form of warfare
From there, everything they do is extremely unique and unpredictable.

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>>55066463
>compliments Word Bearers for being good at summoning while questioning the usefulness of said summoning but gives examples where it would definitely be useful
>compliments World Eaters on being good in melee, better than us
>this is somehow bashing them
What the fuck are you on about?

>>55066476
Just for that? By that logic the Iron Warriors should be even more hated because they are shock troops (astartes) who specialize in SIEGE warfare.

>>55066447
No, Skalathrax is the point where EC and WE are splintered into warbands, the Emperor's Children were already raiding other legions for slaves as a unified force and the lack of slaves didnt force them to split.

>>55066516
Hello, the whole reason went traitor was because they weren't appreciated

>>55066157
>Bro
World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Death Guard, Emperors Children
>Faggots
Black Legion, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Emperors Children

Word Bearers are in a weird middle ground where they suck but they're up front about it and committed so they earn a measure of respect for that

summoning deamons seems fairly reliable given the word bearers strategy to re-roll the summon, or am i missing something?

>>55066500
>he can't even see the parts of his OWN post where he bashes the word bearers and world eaters and ignores when he arrogantly claims to be the best
Damn you even nailed the narcissism down anon, keep it up.

>>55066516
I thought you meant why are the AL unique.

>>55066530
And yet the Imperial Fists were appreciated even though they were the same thing.

Odds of new ork models within the next 6 months?

>>55066247
The Word Bearers are actually into worshiping Chaos as a religion, and venerate the Chaos Gods as good pilgrims. Everything they do has a religious reason and satisfying the goal of the Gods

The Emperor's Children are hedonistic and selfish, everything they do is about satisfying their own desires. They make sacrifices to Slaanesh, but only to empower themselves and increase their stimulation.

>>55066549
I reread my post, I meant to compliment Word Bearers on being good at summoning but didn't type it out because I had to look at the rules again to double check.
I meant the rules for summoning are trash, Word Bearers are the only ones who can summon reliably. My bad, should have proof read the Word Bearers part.
But I didn't even rip on World Eaters, I even said they're better at melee than us, and that Kharn has an edge over Lucius in a straight melee fight.
We are the best at shooting though, Noise Marines have the best, most versatile and flexible guns.

Question for fellow lore nerds because I can't find much on it:

How common is it to see marks of power armour older than mark 4 on the battlefield? I really like the look of mark 2 and want to run some in 40k. I'd play 30k with them, but it's completely dead.

>>55066589

Full suits of 3 are practically never seen outside of Chaos. A part here or there such as the legs, helmet, chest, or shoulders is common in armies like Carcharodons or Ultramarines 2nd Company.

Mk II has literally never appeared in any official M41 artwork in any form, although the text says they're still used as parade honor suits.

>>55066583
>We are the best at shooting though, Noise Marines have the best, most versatile and flexible guns.
On that we can agree. But aside from daemon princes I don't find EC that good in melee. They're certainly better than Black Templars lol, those cucks.

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> FW's Seismic Hammer looks fucking cool.
> Out of stock.

I fucked up today. I play chaos marines, and bought a land raider to add vehicle support. Turned out that 8 wasn't paying attention and got a redeemrr, which doesnt have the weapons permitted by the codex. Gotta either get a refund or spend more money buying a sprue on ebay.

Should've got the predator...

>>55066625
Those typos. Fuck phoneposting.

Why are Black Templars so bad at melee?

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>>55066621
I gotta ask, is this a cat breed
or just fucking around with photos?

>>55066589
Very rare/bordering on relic status

Mark 4 is pretty damn uncommon unless you are a well supplied chapter

And mark 3 is generally seen as rare and newer chapters wouldnt have much of it, unless you are a fists or iron hands successor cause they had stockpiles of the shit

Mark 2 is extra rare because of how much it got phased out even before the heresy

That being said, it was still mass produced and many older chapters would still have a few suits laying around to give to vets

>>55066641
Probably latter.

>>55066574
Never forget the iron cage.

>>55066589
MkIV and older is supposed to be uncommon, even full suits of MkVI are uncommon though not by much, There's nothing stopping you from making up any excuse to use older armor marks, like your dudes found a cache of the stuff or they plundered the schematics from a rogue forgeworld.

>>55066641
Its a Siberian Weeping Cat, very rare

i recently started a 1k sons army (only 6 of my rubrics are painted so far) and a mate of mine just pointed out that for the close to the same (slightly more) number of points as a squad of rubric marines w soulreaper cannon, he can have 20 scions and a commander that can aeriel drop in, issue an order to reroll 1s and then put 18 s8 ap-3 D2 shots into rubrics that hit on 3+. how on earth would someone be able to counter that with 1k sons, or at all for that matter? scions are half the price of rubrics and get a huge range of weapons. and while rubric marines have good bolters, theyd still struggle to fight back, especially the round after when therewould likely be no rubrics left.

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>>55066664
>When your brother is forced to build trenches out of the corpses of his sons as you shell his position for weeks..

IF YOU'RE NOT IN A TRENCH, YOU'RE A WENCH!.

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>just spilled a pot of agrax all over my crotch

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>>55066706
>when he still starts winning despite you having every advantage, but thankfully Guilliman shows up just as you're planning to run away, so now you have an excuse not to face the monster that is Punished Dorn

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>>55066690
Cant shoot your rubrics if there are only Tzaangors

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>>55065293
My Negro to the West!

Just pretend you're fighting in the middle of a warp storm, or on Medusa or a similar deathworld.

>>55066719
Get back to me after your third pot, kiddo.

>>55066719
Make sure to get it in all the recessed areas.

>>55066719
I feel your pain

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>>55066618
I was using our cult units as examples, since I din't think it'd be fair to use my favourite chosen example.
Noise Marines can put out as many attacks as Khorne Berzerkers, we can use Chainswords, zerkers generally use Chainaxes.
For a squad of 5 zerkers that's 11 attacks, and for 5 Noise Marines, if the Champion takes two chainswords, that's 16.Those Zerkers can fight twice though, bringing it up to 22. Using stratagem to fight a third time those Zerkers can put out 33 strength 5 attacks at -1AP. However if EC are allowed Excess of Violence stratagem, only fair, then against Hordes the Noise Marines can almost match zerkers.
Against Imperium units our Icon of Excess gives us even more, against a horde of Guardsmen I once managed to deal 40 hits.
We aren't "as good" in melee as World Eaters, it's just that World Eaters are the only ones who outperform us.
Which makes sense and is completely fair, WE are the dedicated melee dudes, zerkers don't get our guns, they're designed for melee, it'd be weird if we did outperform them.

>>55066621
You had like 10 years to buy one, if you're going to buy a FW thing instead of ebaying or recasting it, just buy it ASAP.

You should have had a warning flag when they started last chance selling the non-ironclad dreads.

>>55066751

Wash on skin looks gross because it brings out the details in all those micro spiderweb cracks that you don't normally see.

Ork triumvirate when? Or chaos?

There are so many characters that need redoing

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>>55066157
Black Legion is the most bro tier CSM force.
>Brotherhood of warriors intent on destroying the Imperium no matter the odds and the scale of opposition
Warriors that are not living in the past and dwelling on mistakes of their fathers and original legions, but fighting together for a common goal in the Long War.

>brotherhood of warriors
have literally +1 morale as legion tactic
>most charismatic CSM Warlord and currently best Chaos general
Abaddon gets extra two (2) command points while all the other chaos """"HQ""""" get nothing.
>relentlessly attack instead of hanging back on their demon worlds in the warp like all the faggots
they shoot their freaking guns on the run like total badasses.

Black Legion ripped the galaxy in two and won the Legion Wars for a reason.

Which is the most knightly of the factions?

>>55066807
I would love a Triumvirate of Nurgle
>Mortarion
>Typhus
>Ku'Gath

>>55066809
ADB says all the major players in Chaos hate Dad

>>55066807
Ghaz
Some weirdboy

Who else should be in the triumvirate? And don't name video game warbosses because those are gonna be in FW's 40k character line with Gabriel Angelos.

>>55066832

There's literally two factions with Knights as 50% of their name.

>>55066832
I'm gonna go with Grey Knights considering they're Knights

>>55066809
>Warriors that are not living in the past and dwelling on mistakes of their fathers and original legions
>Black Legion
topkek

>>55066832
The ones literally called Knights.

>>55066852
so which is the most knightly?

>>55066734
are tzaangors an actual good solution for 1k sons armies or is this a meme?

>>55066719
You're gonna get mad pussy now because women will think you're some super rich and skilled individual thanks to that liquid talent

>>55066867
Brettonia

>>55066832
Dark Angels for mysterious monks, Black Templars for zealot crusaders, Grey Knights for daemonslaying paladins, Imperial Knights for feudal mecha.

>>55065134
Shit I thought I got spotted. I play at the store regularly, but when I show up with someone who doesn't care about 40k, I don't stay long, I just get my stuff and leave. I also happen to tease everyone in the store so reading your story I was worried someone mistook me as being serious.

>>55066748
>>55066751
>>55066873
guys stop he is is seriously going to die of cancer now, and you shouldnt make fun

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>>55066870
Tzaangors are solid. Cheap, S4 T4, effectively 2 attacks in melee. Definitely worth taking for some warm bodies that can also hold their own alright up close.

I retain a slim hope that we'll see a Tzaangor HQ or two either in the TS Codex or Chapter Approved, they have the models from AoS ready to go

>>55066914
My Tzaangor Shaman wants to be a Tzaangor Sorcerer

>>55066914
>S4 T4 mooks

Chaosfags are whiny entitled bitches

>>55066966
Sounds like a jelly SM player that he needed PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS to reach the swoll status of S4.
Meanwhile Chad Tzaangors just disciplined themselves while still being beneath the heel of Chaos

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