Horus Heresy 30k General /hhg/

>>55058591
How good are the sons of horus reavers?

>>55058703
Mediocre.

>>55058591
>how hard is it to keep a general going
Sticking with 7th was totally the right call, guys! People will flock in here in droves!

>>55058784

Now excuse us while we milk Bligh's death for the next ten years and delay angelus to 2032

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So, what are you guys working on, if anything? Had my cast taken off and continued painting this fucker here. Finger is still stiff, but it's good to actually do something again.

>>55058894
I need 4 square feet of 2mm plasticard to do my armies on parade board, on top of getting this slab of wood cut and figuring out how to shape the granite columns.

>NEW Mega Folder
>https://mega.nz/#F!gaBiVTKI!HTOuNx5zzNxHqT-ny-AU3A

I didn't realize people were still linking my mega. I'll update some stuff on it now

>>55058703

Outside of a few specific builds, they are just worse Veterans.
Jump Packs and Chainaxes should be default kit. Big squads ideal, combi-plas optional.
Everything else can be done better by Vets.

>>55058591
>how hard is it to keep a general going edition

All you gotta do is wait for someone to snap and do it.

Are CCWs worth it on a support squad?

>>55058835

Y'know, as shitty as it feels to be stuck in delay hell as a DA player, I can't imagine how much it sucks for the White Scar players. When do you think the siege of terra will happen? 2050?


Anyway I'm thinking of getting my first superheavy soon, what would you guys recommend? I've heard the mastodon is shit, are the Fellblade/Glaive/Falchion any good? What about the superheavy fliers?
Or should I just say fuck it and buy a knight

>>55059854
Typhon is very solid and neither Fellblade nor Cerberus are half bad. You can mostly bin the rest, especially the flyers.

>>55058894
Now done converting 12/20 of my Adsecularis, now entirely out of Kata Claws. Decided to chop the front bits off the Torsion Cannon and make them into paired punchy fists for another three, then I'm pretty much out of ideas since my attempt at turning the tzeench glaives into shocky staves looks lame as all hell.

Will probably just buy some Thunder Hammers and such off Ebay.

>>55058591
>Seriously how hard is it to keep a general going edition
Very, judging by how back this one already was.

>>55058784
>B-but muh sooperior perfect wargame for grown ups!"

Staying in 7th was the worst and maybe last mistake of 30k.

>>55062222
We still haven't gotten the Custodes flyer's rules yet, there could very well be more mistakes for HH

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>>55058894
That's pretty cool. I like the FW Custodes vehicles, but I totally understanding wanting to go old school.

One more mini-Contemptor to go (AL) and then I'll move on to 28mm projects. I've been bringing too much work home to really get anywhere.

>>55058894
Imperial Fist terminators at the moment, but I have a reallly slow work pace. I'll likely only have a proper army by the time Angelus comes out.

>>55059414
If it's a 10-man unit with short-ranged weapons, then yes because they're certain to get charged.

>>55059854
>I can't imagine how much it sucks for the White Scar players.
We have rules and they're pretty good (though they aren't the most clearly written...). I wouldn't even mind, if we could just get a decal sheet and some unhelmeted heads. The only 3rd-party Mongol-looking heads I know of in 28mm Heroic scale are Chapterhouse's, and they're not great.

I've only started, but the release of the Sicaran Arcus has me wondering if I should change my list. I was planning on a heavy support squad with missile launchers because that was the only way to get anti-air if you don't want dreads or flyers. (Flyers are normally fluffy for WS, but I want a long-distance interdiction force that can't bring airfields along with it. Also, the Whirldwind Hyperios was an option... but it sucks.) So maybe I get the Arcus, get my missile launchers by taking Javelins... but I still need anti-AV14 and I'm not sure where to get it.

Praevian with Castellax with darkfire cannons and Tank Hunter? With Chogorian Brotherhood he'd get Outflank, and I think he'd confer it to the robots. They're S7 lance before Tank Hunter. Lascannon Javelins don't seem that great.

>>55058591
>Seriously how hard is it to keep a general going edition
We cleared 340 replies in the last thread; it's not like it fell off page 10 or anything.

>>55063855
8th edition has hit HH hard though. I remember when HHG was more active than /40kg/, round January or so.

Dank Angels when

Anyone know if this game has a community in Oklahoma City? I posted here before about starting Mechanicum, hopefully I can get the book soon and figure out what I want.

>>55063197
I actually just started up my Epic army, just doing infantry and vehicles because Titans will be way out of scale with the upcoming ones. I miss tiny mans so much, bring them back FW.

It shits me to tears that so many posts in HHG are just moans that HHG isn't more active. Contribute something and maybe it would be less of an issue.

>>55059916
I'm not >>55059854 but I thought the Cerberus was trash compared to other superheavies?

The Typhon Siege tank is my favourite model, it's a fucking beast.

>>55063334
Sounds dumb, but as WS why not just out-maneuver any AV14 pieces and laregly ignore them?

>>55064347
You're best off posting on the podcasts' Facebook pages. Radio Free Isstvan maybe since they're in the US, or the Eye of Horus because they have a larger group. Just ask about "dudes looking for dudes."

>>55064472
>Sounds dumb, but as WS why not just out-maneuver any AV14 pieces and laregly ignore them?
We don't always get first turn! But yeah, maybe with enough meltabombs on bikes I don't need lascannons.

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>>55064442
Nice, what figures are you using? It's a great set of rules, even if the game's unsupported.

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>>55058894
Working on some Fists since the Custodes are pretty much done for a while

>>55063334
>if we could just get a decal sheet and some unhelmeted heads


This is all I need.

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>>55058894
Working on some Medusas/Basalisks for my SA.

When would one ever take Basalisks over Medusas, realistically? Am I wasting my time magnetising them?

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>>55065354
Oh cool, thanks phone, appreciate the auto orientation.

>>55065383
I was thinking about using that kit for my Ordo Reductor Artillery given I've just used all my bitz on Adsecularis and thus can't really do the "Shorten barrel, mod to be Genetor-themed, remove eagles, add Servitor loading crew" thing I was previously planning on with the GW Basilisks without burning enough money that Forge World would probably be cheaper.

How's the kit to build? Any irritating aquilas plastered everywhere like on the plastic versions?

>>55064315
Christmas 2018

>>55064472
You're that only other Kiwi 30k player right? You might motivate me to work on this gargantuan pile of resin and plastic I have.

>>55065677
What's on the to-do list bro?

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>>55065727
6 Boxes of Betrayal at Calth
2 Boxes of Burning of Prospero
120 Resin Mk IV marines
30 Resin Mk III marines
30 Resin Mk II Marines
3 Resin Contemptors
2 Apothecaries
Mk IV Captain and Standard bearer
Legion Champion and Master of Signals
Every single Primarch and Character model ever released.

Pic is literally just 80 of the MK IV Marines I've been cleaning and prepping for building.

>>55058591
Is tallarn book out and if so where do I find it?

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>>55065764
Holy shit mane. That's not a to-do list, that's a straight up burden. or a small business.

What legion do you collect? What's the plan with all this resin and plastic crack?

I feel like /HHG/ needs to collectively come together and hold an intervention, because this is beyond excessive.

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>>55065849
That's not even all the models I own. Pic related is about a quarter of the complete total including some random non-wargaming models.

And the HHG discord have been trying to intervene for ages. But with no Kiwis on there, it's not like they can do much.

>>55065764
I fucking feel this.

IF player here and I have 120 models to paint. Godspeed man

>>55065426
No aquillas whatsoever. It's an alright kit to build. Mine were a little finicky because they're all resin (thanks, Communists!) and the hull required some shaving and patience to fully assemble correctly

>>55058703
Skip everything but chainaxes and bring a ton of them. They also only work in a meta that has committed to no combi-weapon Veterans. Long March at least makes them sort of fast, but it's pretty obvious that The Black Reaving was written when 5th edition was still a thing and Fleet from board edges would've been really good.

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*Potential* new player here. Been wanting to do an Emperor's Children force for a while. I've heard they are very dependent on timing and positioning but are gods at close combat. Can anyone give me some good advice about playing them?

Also, thinking about running Eidolon instead of Fulgrim.

>>55066645
Plan on losing whichever combat you don't win in the first turn. Fearless granting models are your worst enemy.

>>55066848
The good thing about the EC is that they are extremely mobile. Essentially every dedicated EC melee unit should be a pocket battleship, able to outfight everything it can't outrun and outrun everything it can't outfight. When I play EC I tend to have general unit types.
>Line Units
Big units like assault blobs that can sit there and hold the line, I keep them cheap and if I use power weapons they are generally fists or axes to give me the ability to kill 2+ models especially in prolonged battles.
>Shock Units
Mobile hard hitting units designed to essentially wipe out anything they charge the turn they charge. They shouldn't charge fearless units, primarchs, or multi-wound terminators, but pretty much anything else is game. The prototypical example is palatine blades with jump packs and several phoenix spears and sonic shriekers, although regular assault marines, bikers, or anything that can deepstrike also works.
>Fire Support Units
Essentially big tanks, artillery, massed flyers, dreadnought talons, anything that can dump out enough fire to actually scare the big guys who you don't want to attack with your shock units.

So line units hold home objectives and later push forwards to capture other objectives, shock units exterminate enemy troops and light elites, opening the way for the line units to push forwards, while the fire support units weaken the hardest enemy units before I move in for the kill. Generally the only thing you can't rape in melee is a death star which you should be able to weaken enough that in late game you can charge it with multiple units and finish it off. Feels very EC and works great with Maru Skara where I can drop all my shock units in the enemy's backfield turn 2.

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r8, h8, post your m8s

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>>55068922
Looks like a decent start, looking forward to the end result
>new helmet, phone camera, and ghetto hurricane lighting

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>>55068922
Just finished my first full IF Vet Squad.

>>55058591
>horus heresy general
>posts horus
you madman

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>>55069420
Dude, they look great.

I know this isn't /WIP/ but if you were to give those boys a light wash with whatever Devlan Mud is called these days then they'd look even better. It automatically adds another layer of depth to them. Just a stranger's two cents.

Spent five minutes looking through my fuckhuge inspiration folder for an IF model with a good, subtle wash highlighting the result, but this is the best example I could find.

>>55065928
Bro, where do you live? I'll come and help you smash this shit out

>>55069672
Hell yeah! I'm thinking of giving them a 3:1 Water-Agrax Earthshade wash and then sealing them. Might do that for every model since everything is weathered.

I love that DG though, got-dayum

>>55069672
North of Auckland. As far as I know you are the only other 30k player in the whole country. It's the chief reason I've never bothered building anything. Why make an army when there is no-one to play anywhere nearby? So I just buy and buy until I can field about 5 armies on my own.

>>55069753
Didn't the Eye of Horus podcast talk about a NZ event a week or two ago? Siege of Orbis Commercium, I think.

hey, i may have not assembled 90% of my shit but i sort of count as a player. fucked if i'm going back to 40k til the cancer of eighth is cut out.

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>>55068922
Progress on the XXth Epic-scale Contemptor.

>>55069954
You could be like me who built the 30k force and is incorporating it as best as possible to work with 40k.

8th has its merits and great moments but 7th feels much more like a wargame

>>55069947
If they did, then there's no players anywhere nearby. They're probably all in Wellington.

>>55069420
Looking good. Pinwash the recesses with a brown wash and you're golden.

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>>55069972
I see the XX legion have began the shrinking dreadnought tactic, to ease infiltration. Clever.

>>55069753
Mate, get on Facebook and search for Heresy New Zealand, or 30k New Zealand. You'll find that there's literally dozens of us!

>>55069420
>Vet Squad
>no veteran crosses
>sergeant has no stripes
Explain yourself.

>>55059414

Probably not.

> Meltaguns
CCWs won't help you fight tanks.
> Plasma Guns
Rapid Fire precludes charging
> Volkite Caliver
Heavy
> Rotor Cannon
If you're using Rotor Cannons, you are looking to optimise
> Flamers, Volkite Chargers
Potentially useful for a gun'n'charge attack. However, you'd best be sure that you kill the target because you don't want your expensive fire support squad to spend your shooting phase locked in combat.

>>55070569
What about what >>55063334 said about using them defensively when you get charged yourself. Meltas, rapid-fire plasmas, flamers, etc. put you dangerously close to the enemy to receive a charge from them.

>>55070654
If your tacsup squad will get charged by anything with even a little bite it's going to get its shit kicked in anyway, CCWs or not.

>>55065928
>All that and having to pay the Sheep Markup

Are... are you some kind of CEO or something? Do you just straight up steal this shit?

>>55072028
He's an oil baron or something apparently.

Been casually reading about the Byzantine Empire, and I found a little bit about cavalry that were basically heavier Cataphracts, the Klibanophoroi.
What the hell would a Heavy Custodes Jetbike look like, considering we already have loads of different skimmers?
I'm kind of tempted to make a Custodes force now, but going max jetbikes and skimmers is megacheese and I'd have to find Cawl to lead them, wherever he is in the 32nd millennium.

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>>55068922
WIPs on the Calth characters. Mostly done, but I pretty much never use them because of Maloghurst.

>>55072586
I see Sons of Horus in all shades of green. My attempt at Duncan's tutorial is darker than that one, and I've seen ones blended but overall lighter than yours. I could see someone just doing lightish ones, giving the sarges/HQs a swappable shoulderpad magnet and use them as both SoH and Salamanders.

>>55072586
>>55073826
Miniwargaming's Dave did that

>>55065764
I mean you know you'll never finish this right?

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>>55073826

SoH have the most diverse range of schemes I've seen. Everything from sea-green to ghostly green, metallic sheens, and they all look incredible.
Trying to get Raven Guard that look a bit more exciting than the standard. How would people go about a Cerberus-style scheme?
Just a lot of freehand, but I've never seen any Marines in this kind of scheme.

>>55075793
So you're saying that's either Dave, or someone trying to pass off his models as theirs?

>>55066645
As with Iron Warriors, you can compensate for weak-ish rules with good RoWs and excellent (if pricey) unique units. Depending on how fluffy you want your army to be, and whether or not you can be arsed to make up an explanation for it, ALWAYS take sonic shriekers when you can. They're great at equalising things, especially on Palatine Blades or (with the 3rd Company Elite RoW) pretty much everything. If you use that RoW, consider taking tooled-up Veterans with Weaponmasters instead, since they're more flexible, cost less and are as flexible unless you buy jump packs.

Kakophoni are iffy as HS but fantastic as troops.

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>>55077363
I like it. I've seen a few cool Raven Guard armies, actually. Couple just the basic black, but one guy somehow managed to get a metallic sheen on his edge highlights so they looked like actual bird feathers. Man that looked sexy, I'd use it to do a Gore Crows Titan if I had one and could figure out how the hell he did it.

As for yours, might be a pain in the ass working out how to divide up the armour panels, but I can see it looking good.

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>>55073826
>>55077363
Dark sea green and black is sexy.

>>55077363
>SoH have the most diverse range of schemes I've seen.
[Alpha Legion meme]

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Since we're posting models:

I'm pretty damn sick of seeing metallic Alpha Legion everywhere, and while I adore the teal non-metallic AL you see sometimes I don't have the colours right now - maybe a few units in the future. In the meantime, what do you think of my quick-n-dirty power armour? I haven't done anything even touching details yet, but I wanted to catch that blue-shifting-into-green look they used to have in some artwork.

Basically basepainted Kantor Blue, variously drybrushed Warboss Green, washed with some old (and possibly diluted??) Thraka Green I had lying about. They're greener IRL though, sneaky bastards.

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>>55078107

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>>55078139
>I'm pretty damn sick of seeing metallic Alpha Legion everywhere
Have some more! Less real and more like the color plates in book 3.

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>>55078139
I feel ya, I'm working on a blue and silver trim AL scheme right now. Caledor Sky basecoat. It might go to shit, but it's just a test for now.

I'm also working on an Alpharius kitbash.

>>55078159
>dark blue bolters

Fucking disgusting.

>>55059414
I always equip my flamer squad with extra CCW, it's dumb how many dice I get to roll with one of those fuckin units.

>>55059854
Get Malcador's m8, shit's so under the radar I've only seen one other person field them and it wasn't in person. Great for Ironing list.

>>55059854
Typhon, Malcador, or a Knight Crusader are amazing choices all around.

>>55078815
>>55078905
Malcadors. Nothing beats the cheese of moving, shooting, then turbo boosting into cover or getting proper faving with a flare shield. I think running any under 3k points is cheesy

>>55058591
Anyone have the Rogal Dorn meme? The eviscerator?

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>>55078988

>tfw no silent sister biological sister

>>55078815
Yeah, flamer squad is a given. Who would you come to a slapping distance of the enemy with an Assault weapon and not slap their shit?

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Will FW ever give us puff sleeved carapace for recce squads?

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>>55059916
>>55078815
>>55078905

Thanks guys, I'll look into the Typhon. I was planning on getting some Vindicators anyhow to pack some punch for my Ironwing list.

Any suggestions on what types of Malcador work well? The Annihilator looks pretty good in comparison, but that's just from a glance.

>>55079606
Never knew I wanted this until now

>>55079880
Kit them to fit your list m8. The demolisher cannon is to good to pass up for my taste. A super heavy spitting out our plates during a drive by is always fun. Had good experiences with full lascannons but it's hard for it to earn it's points back. Sometimes I mix up the armaments and have all of them multi threat if I don't expect to use the battle speed.

Anybody from Canada have any experience ordering from this chinese dude here?

http://photo.163.com/coolcastornot.vip/#m=0&p=1

Do you have any experiences importing this shit? Import taxes? Other fees?

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>>55065928
I believe in you, anon. Just today I finally finished the last squad in my "whoops, I bought too much at once" Alpha Legion with attached knight house.

How much of a pain are fellblades and fire raptors to assemble ? I'm willing to buy some, but if both are shit to assemble I might reconsider

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Hrud are scarier than daemons desu.

>>55080965
only pain in the ass about the fellblades is that the tracks don't always seem to fit right, and the side-panels may need some heat treating and bending to get them to fit correct.

Fire Raptor was a huge pain in my ass, but it was also my first experience building a large FW model, so I did not know to keep an eye out for warped pieces and gaps until it was too late. Once again, be prepared for major structural parts to be bent out of shape. The front and wings are taken from the storm raven kit so at least those will be a-ok.

Is your social life as dead as your game? Are you bored out of your mind? Do you, too, want to complain about GW or anything else*? Why not join this Discord centered around mini gaming. https://discord.gg/GBcypkT

>>55081415
That's not the HH discord.

>>55080831
Fellow maplestani, I've ordered from him once

He was easy to work with despite broken english. Took about 2 months to ship. No taxes or fees - he marked the item as a toy/gift. His stuff was alright, the detail was all there, though his resin was a tad brittle and grey-greenish.

>>55082238

I've ordered from him a couple times already but then I was still living in Europe and friends had experiences with him already.

That sounds good though, thanks! I'll try him out with a small order before I go big though.

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Trying to take good photos of black models is an exercise in futility. Just sealed my decals with varnish and I'm about to spray these with dullcote. Sealing decals by applying get a layer of 'Ardcoat is still the correct thing to do, right? To prevent bubbling and badness later on?

Pic is of The Sparrow and his drop pod. That pod was actually a total fucking ballache to put together and I ended up having to pin almost everything in order to get it so all the doors still open but it doesn't fall apart the second you touch it.

Hopefully the pic isn't upside down this time.

>>55082641
Aside from the silvering, that Levi looks pretty sweet.

>>55080861
Holyshit. What HQ models do you got?

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>>55080965
Can't speak for the Fellblade but a Fire Raptor is a little tedious. Make sure you have rubber bands and/or clamps on hand to hold the hull together while the glue sets, and just approach it with a bit of patience. I'm by no means an expert modeler but with a little shaving and some pinning it looks fine

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Fulgrim is best

>>55083084
1 Praetor in power armor
1 cataphractii praetor
1 tartaros praetor
2 Primus in cataphractii
1 librarian in cataphractii
2 librarians in power armor
2 vigilators
3 saboteurs (one of them is the imperial space marine, kinda want to make him a pravean but I got not robo-buddies for him)
1 Skorr counts-as
1 Exodus counts-as
1 Master of Signals

>>55065354
>When would one ever take Basalisks over Medusas
To save points.
That's it.

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>>55083304
I'm a little salty that you sneaky fellows got a character that specialises in sniping. I know that the Raven Guard got Kaedes Nex to fill the designated role of Assassin Character, but I feel that the Mor Deythan set the tone for super snipers being one of the RG's specialties. Not saying that only the RG can have a character that's got a dope rifle, but I'm bummed that I can't field that guy with my other guys with somewhat dope rifles. Namsayin'?

>>55083385
There's only a 15pt difference. Guess I wasted my time magnetising those cannons then.

Jk, I'd have magnetised them anyway. Fuck I love magnets. Wish I knew how they worked.

>>55083513
>There's only a 15pt difference.
Its more noticeable on militia cults.

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>>55083556
Ah yeah, gotcha. Shit, 33% more expensive than Earthshakers.

Pic unrelated, I just love tonks.

>>55083624
>I just love tonks.
Tanks are grand, But I prefer Big guns, I have 6 Medusas and 3 stationary Basilisk platforms.

>>55083513
Nah, I get what your sayin. If it helps, exodus is sort of a seeker/recon hybrid, and AL is credited with the invention of the seeker squad assassin-types.

>>55079880
If you get a Typhon run it with Lascannons and a Heavy Bolter. I do this for both 30k and 40k; it allows the unit to be incredibly versatile.

As for the Malcador, run either the classic or Annihilator.

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>>55083677
>exodus is sort of a seeker/recon hybrid, and AL is credited with the invention of the seeker squad assassin-types.

Which is pretty odd, given that that's Space Marine's forte. Or at least, it becomes so after the Heresy when the Chapters have to start finding ways to fight vastly numerically-superior enemies. You'd have thought that the Dark Angels would have worked out the value of surgical decapitation strikes and pioneered that shit before the other Space Marines crawled out of their test tubes. It's just a logical way to fight when you're a super capable transhuman.

Damnit, I'm letting realism take over the GrimDark sci-fi.

>>55083647
Post pics.

>>55083304
Neat! Could you post a picture of your Skorr?

>>55083841
Wierd, right? That it would take the last legion to say, hey, what if we had a special marksman squad tasked with killing leaders?

>>55084931
To be fair don't astartes specialize in decapitation attacks anyways? That's sort of the XVI's whole thing.

>>55084944
But that's really more of a "drop a company of terminators to kill the target, the target's staff, the target's bodyguards, anyone within 2 miles of the target, and just to he sure, level the building that the target is holed up in" style of decapitation strike, rather than a "hey, wasn't the commander behind us like, a minute ago? Right where that weird red stain is?" style.

>>55080861
Love the superheavies! What's more useful, the Glaive or Fellblade?

>>55082641
Gloss varnish before decal, decal, matte varnish. Optional coat of gloss before the final matte coat.

>>55065840
Audiobookbay for audio, megas for epub, BL for legit crap.

>>55067112
Have such a breakdown for other legions? AL and DA perhaps?

>>55085231


Half arsed bump.

DA are defined by their RoWs and their wargear. LA rule is horrible to the point that it actually makes them worse.
Molecular Acid rounds and 'Wing lists are fucking awesome and your primary draw to the Legion.

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After seeing some terrible modern artwork made by GW I need to see something good. Show me your models and I'll repay you with memes and more.

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>>55087451
Ignore Kairos being a screaming cunt in the background

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>>55087481
Can't wait to see the finished thing. Have a meme image I made.

>>55087481
Is it me or do your power armored guys seem "straighter" then normal? They seem to be more proportioned or something

>>55087678
The wonders of non-retarded Tson legs.
Dust Bunnies don't squat

>>55085002
I honestly just finished the fellblade and falchion last weekend, so my opinion is some what skewed by the fact I have never played with 2 of the 3. The glaive kicks the ass of whatever it's pointed at, I can tell you that much, and ur is hilarious to abuse the "can fire into combat and on your own units" rule. I once used it where it's 48" beam happened to end on top of a garro that was locked in a challenge with my Praetor and fried him, along with injuring some mechanicum robots that I was actually aiming for. Glaive will run about 100 more points for a generalist kill everything superheavy, so make of that what you will.

>>55058894
Muh 30k themed BFG fleet.

>I use chaos ships due to them b

>>55078088
>>55073826
I like to do my Sons with a bit of Black Legion foreshadowing. So I paint some bits black, like maybe a helmet, or just the armguards, or a shoulder pad. It makes the Sons feel a little more fluffy in that they are prone to customization and utilization of variant power armor.

>>55088126
A-anon?

>>55088126
Stroke aside, anon, it's a bit more fluffy to use both the modern imperial and chaos ships, considering that many of those chaos vessels are fluffed to be 36th and 37th millennia ship designs.

>>55088034
That's why they lost Prospero.

Don't skip leg day.

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>working on an old school whirlwind conversion
>need a land speeder vengeance turret for it
>look for one for ages
>finally get one
>can't continue the project, have to spend summer doing other stuff and helping parents move and fix up their new house
>finally get back
>forgot the turret at parents' house

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>>55088610
>>55088787
Just shitty internet, travelling.

I just really like some of the less spikey ships. Chaos renegades or imperial reserve fleet are totally my thing, mixing them.

The Repulsive is my favourite by far.

>>55088787
While I understand GW wanting to make the two factions distinct, it's shitty that Imperials have barely any access to "Chaos" ships, even though most of them were made by the Imperium, and Chaos has no access to "Imperial" ships, even though vast majority of their ships came from Imperial stock.

I did make one Murder class ship into my fleet using an Imperial cruiser body, because I just wanted some variation other than the gun decks. Hopefully we see more plastic ships in the future, would like to start a second fleet just so I have 2 to play with.

>>55090987
But you can, armada rules continued by the specialist games guys after BFG was discontinued allow to mix and match a bit.

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Getting into this after years of being out of wargaming but still painting... doing Solar Aux because they remind me of pic related and I like this old style guard, any suggestions on where to go? and whats the best things for this army? Anything to expect?

>>55091226
I plan to run Veletaris in Demolisher Dracosans and a Tank commander as an allied detachment maybe.

I love their ray-guns.

Sadly Axe-Veletaris are mostly a thing for Zone Mortalis.

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>>55090845
Same thing here, anon, grand cruisers, defunct designs, reserve fleets and even more ancient designs still in service 10,000 years later hit just the right amount of starship fetishes on my list. Pic related is my favorite ship design (with the Repulsive class being a close second).

>>55090987
It's only in those fleet lists that you're more constrained by 'in-service' and 'retired' ship classes, and there really is absolutely no problem in running either side as the other. Hell, I'd certainly have no problem, as my current collection is an amalgamation of 'current', 'retired' and 'irregular' (read: Space Marine, Mechanicum and Rogue Trader) vessels, all painted in a semi-uniform scheme to reflect a multi-sector Battlefleet.

>>55091345
How would you build a Spacehulk? As I plan to run my fleet as a renegade fleet it makes a compelling flagship.

>Maybe I'll fuck around with some other companie's ships, knifes and bits.

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>>55087451

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>>55091483
This is my favorite picture one a space hulk - I'm not a fan of the ones that are half asteroid. Mix in some Star Wars Armada parts.

In terms of rules, they're only available for orks and don't work all that well in BFG.

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>>55091483
Kitbash it, Space hulks can be anything from asteroids with weapons all over it to Judgement of Carrion-tier almost ship designs.
Just be sure to have plenty of greenstuff, a rough sketch of what you feel is perfect for your renegades, and some patience. (and a healthy supply of bitz - recasters and shapeways have a supply but it may set your bank account back a bit)

>>55091619
>>55091606
Thanks! I am fluffing my guys as some sort of slightly heretek Scavenger/Pirates.

Just gonna get a big ship, put some GW stuff on it and say its an old, slow but powerfull retrofitted hull.

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Iron Warriors a cute
CUTE!

>>55093120
I love the moments in the book series where they fucking play Warham

>>55084984
Both have their merits i guess?
So when do SoH get teleportation transponders?

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Can't sleep. Had to try an idea for some recon carapace, based on old scout art and SW wolf scouts.

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>>55058591

Sup /hh/ 40k blood angel player here. Currently desperately waiting on a FW Sanguinius model to be released to use as a Sanguinor in my games. What sort of release date am I looking at? Would it be around the same time Angelus drops?

Also I keep seeing this meme that 30k is dying. Should I be worried?

>>55095459
Filing off the power cables on the abdomen will go a long way, but otherwise it looks good.

>>55096010
Angelus is supposed to drop late next year. Sang might be a bit earlier, but I doubt it.

There are a lot of people worried it's dying, but it hasn't slowed the game around me, and the recent events have had record numbers of 30k players. It really depends on where you are.

Good luck fellow brother of the ninth!

>>55094083
My dick would be rock hard if Justaerin could buy deep strike for 15 points, although I understand that this would basically wipe out The Black Reaving as a Rite of War option.

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You guys are fucking dead so when is FW porting all the cool shit over to 40k?

>>55093637

There's some good moments in there. Any other good or comfy moments that bring some humanity to 40k? I'm dying for those kinds of moments amid GLORIOUS BATTLE and the thesaurus having to mint new words for destruction and honor when they start running dry.

>>55099098
As much as it pains me to say so, with Bligh's passing the chances are a lot higher than they were previously.

>>55099098
That makes me wonder if the White Scars found any Zhao-Arkkad constructs when they visited Prospero. Tempted to run a couple (with normal Castellax rules) with a Praevian.

Will Hetaeron upgrade kit be released in forseeable future?

I mean bloody gauntlets when

>>55099772
Unlikely. FW's sculpting team is down to two guys and we have a pretty good idea what they have already in the pipelines for the coming months.

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>>55099784
If you look at the boring-ass gauntlets made for the Aquilon, do you really want FW to make an upgrade kit?

>>55099850
What, literally?

>>55099907
If you exclude the ones busy with Specialist Games stuff, I think he means.

>>55096184
Late next year. Jesus Christ. At this point all I want is the fluff.

>>55099907
Yes. They said so at the last Open. GW has pulled all but two sculptors and some other personel over to Specialist Games to make shit for Blood Bowl (which is apparently selling like mad) and the other upcoming games.
They also don't a writer anymore and are looking for a replacement. French is apparently interested, but wants a co-writer.

>>55100795
I'm going to be dead of old age before the next book's out, aren't I?

Does anybody know when White Dwarf subscribers should be getting their September issue?

>>55100795
>French is apparently interested, but wants a co-writer.
Where do I sign up?

Best Legion for heavy gunline action?

>>55101418
Iron Warriors.

>>55100893
Angulus not before Q4 next year, that much was already stated. So you might make it yet.

>>55101502
Yeah, I heard. But I'll bet good money that 'not before' means 'well after', especially with, you know, their primary author dead as a doornail.

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Friend of mine convinced me to get into 30k.
Problem is, I've never played any marines army before, like ever. I got Betrayal at Calth box, I've read thru books but I have no clue how to build my plastic men. What kind of weapon should I grab, should I get FW upgrades, or just assembly with stuff I have in box? What size of units?
Can anyone help me out? I want to go with Thousand Sons.

>>55101663

Can't go wrong with 30 guys in power armour.
Only real decision is which unit to make them. You have 5 real options, of which 2 have to be your core Troops.

Big choice is Tacticals vs Veterans. Vets are much, much better but limit your army to a specific template which can get old quickly. Easiest is to build them with Ccw and experiment with both. You'll want 20 models like this, with 2 sergeants.

Other 10 models can be built to match, both are good units. Alternatively you can pack them with Heavy/Special weapons to make support squads, or some 3Rd party scopes/ammo drums for Seekers.

>>55101496
Not him, but i want to know more.

What is a good IW list?

>>55101663
You can start with 2x10-man squads and use the remaining 10 marines with some special weapons as support squads. That gives you an ok core while not confining you to just assloads of bolter marines.

You will then want to add rhinos, or more marines and characters to support them. You might want upgrade sets for your terminators and characters.

>>55101744
What isn't a good IW list? For gunlines, huge blocks of troops with apothecaries because IW don't give a shit about morale, missile havocs to shit on medium armour+marines+aircraft, a scorpius or some medusas and a shitload of quad mortars.

You can mix and match a bit with various artillery units, Tyrants, and support squads, but as long as you have more dakka and less choppa you can fuck most shit dead. The hard part is balancing how much anti-tank you have so you don't get bricked by Land Raider spam or something.

>>55101796
So, I want to use Rapiers cus I love them, assuming IW is good with them? Any other legions?

>>55101744
Depends on your RoW. Tyrants and Iron Havocs are good, very good in fact, but a bit pricey.

Artillery is useful but not strictly necessary. IW balls of steel means that our morale game is one of the strongest of all Legions.

This list isn't particularly optimised, and highly vulnerable to massed templates, but I enjoy it.

3 000 Points Iron Warriors
HQ: 145 points
Legion Centurion, volkite charger
- 60 points
Legion Centurion, Legion Vigilator Consul
- 85 points

Elites: 775 points
Legion Terminator Squad, 10x Cataphractii Terminators, lightning claw on Sergeant, 2x Terminators w. heavy flamer & single lightning claw, 7x pairs of lightning claws
- 465 points
Legion Dreadnought, twin-linked autocannon
- 130 points
Apothecarion Detachment, 3x Apothecary
- 135 points

Troops: 585 points
Legion Tactical Squad, 15x Legionnaires
- 175 points
Legion Tactical Squad, 15x Legionnaires
- 175 points
Legion Tactical Support Squad, 7x plasma gun, augury scanner on Sergeant
- 235 points

Fast Attack: 255 points
Seeker Squad, 10x Seeker
- 255 points

Heavy Support: 1285
Iron Havoc Support Squad, 10x Havoc, 10x lascannon
- 460 points
Iron Havoc Support Squad, 10x Havoc, 10x lascannon
- 460 points
Iron Havoc Support Squad, 10x Havoc, 10x missile launcher, augury scanner on Sergeant
- 365 points

Apothecaries stick with either HS or troops, the Terminators look cool (and can, to a limited degree, frighten off enemy assault troops/be bait) and I'm in love with the old CSM metal Dreadnought. 20 BS5 tank hunting lascannons that lower enemy cover saves by 1 will put the hurt on just about anything. 30 bolters, 10 Seekers and 7 plasma guns deal with infantry, the Vigilator takes out a Rhino or something if my opponent fields one and the Centurion is just pic related.

>>55101839
Alpha Legion mutable tactics shenanigans will always be amusing, especially with Rapiers.

>>55101912
>Alpha Legion mutable tactics shenanigans will always be amusing, especially with Rapiers.

Elaborate? I do love Alpha Legion.

>>55101839
Rapiers are a mixed bag and get hard-countered by certain forms of artillery. Quad-Mortars are always good regardless of legion, they just happen to make a lot of sense with IW because they like to shell the crap out of everything.

>>55101919
At the start of the battle, you must give the entire army one of several special rules (that, FYI, stack with Veteran skills). Three of the pertinent ones are Scout, Infiltrate and Tank Hunters.

So, if you have large numbers of Rapiers, you might want to boost their damage potential against armoured targets, or shuffle them around before the game proper starts in order to wrongfoot your victim. Hell, why not flank him with an elites section filled with laser destroyers?

Perhaps most useful with laser destroyer rapiers, but all of them can make use of this.

Makes sure to take lots of close ranged stuff to get the most out of infiltrate, if that's the one you go for. Meltaguns, multimeltas, flamers, heavy flamers, CCWs...

>>55101957
Duly noted. Might do this. AL is a fave of mine after all.

>>55102021
"Might". Who do you think you're fooling, Alpharius? Unless... Omegon!

Except...

Nice try, Armillus.

Wait a minute...

You can't fool me, Inigo.

...

..!

Alpharius! I knew it!

>>55101796
>>55101912
Thx! IW were my first army back in40k, feels right to make them my first30k army

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>>55101418
>>55101496
>>55101418
>>55101496
Do not forget Iron hands they and their tanks are resilient as fuck.

And what is shooty as fuck?
Yes,tanks.

>>55102820
Silly you, we're already talking about the IVth Legion.

>>55102855
>Metallic screeching.

>>55096631
Still don't see why characters couldn't buy it or why Black Reaving can't give it to HQ units in terminator armor, also doesn't help that black reavings benefits are pretty hit or miss already. Fleet when in from reserves and reavers as troops isn't all that great. I like what the RoW is trying to do but core rules and a reavers being way over priced make it look so bad compared to The Long March or Orbital Assault if you really don't like the person you're playing against

>HH 8th Ed rules
>Deepstrike Praetor, 12 man, 3 wound Justaerin squad, Primus Medicare, Forge Lord, All combi plas, Turn 1 arrival and charge
The though of this is pure bliss, the amount of firepower it would take to remove them would be ridiculous

>>55101957
You can never go wrong with a plasma squad.

sneaking in here with my auxilia list, rate, hate - the normal stuff.

3k points (ish)
Lord marshall, Grav wave generator. (goes with a lasblob.)
tech priest auxilia w servo arms to repair the stormblade
2 lasblobs with collimators and defenselines with quadguns.
2 choom sections with demolisher/ flareshield dracosans
a thunderbolt with flare shield, hellstrikes and ground tracking auguries.
2x2 incinerators with tank commanders.
Stormblade with targeters.

>>55103860
Solar auxilia are cool, I'm making a small detachment myself.

No poweraxe madmen?

>>55105375
I'm in a very shooty meta so I don't see the point, my primary opponents are orks, IG, nids (shooty), IW and elves. axemen have a very specific niche of trading favorably against other unwieldy critters. and there isn't too many of those in my meta. (only termis are siege tyrants)

I love Black Templars, so outside of the Templars sworn to the phalanx, how common was the crusader Culture? Was it common enough in other chapters/companies?

>>55105681
if you want, AFAIK isn't the entire fist first company templar styled?

What could be included in a good salamanders list with covenant of fire ?
I would also like to know if a knight benefit from the 5++ against melta and plasma

>>55101418
IW, followed by IH and DG. You want some rapiers (for any of those three), but not too many or you'll be accused of cheesiness and that's a big no-no in 30k. Maxing out on Medusas is also frowned upon despite the 0-1 restriction. In other words... gunlines are good. This is 7th ed., after all.

You definitely want shooty Terminators in your gunline to protect your power armored dudes from assaulty deep strikers, which is why IW and DG work well - they have shooty Terminators (that aren't stupidly expensive like the UM's). With IH you still want to put your infantry in transports and use tanks for the long-ranged shooting.

>>55101663
Be sure you have the Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Army List (red book, not the one with "Legions" in the title) and Book 7 (Inferno) for your legion rules and special units. It's all there, and it's not really like in 40k.

You can't go wrong with 2x10 Tactical marines with no special weaponry, and make the third squad veterans, potentially maxed out on combimeltas/meltas.

A squad of Sekhmets is fine, and that's a FW upgrade kit to use with the Cataphractii.

>>55106188
I wouldn't bother with that rite of war, desu. Too restrictive. Salamanders are so slow that Orbital Assault is a good option, or Armored Breakthrough. You need transports.

The knight... hm, this looks like another gray area that FW will never address. It'd be part of the detachment, right? I guess I'd say yes, despite the "Salamanders vehicle" wording in the rule (because the clarification in parentheses makes it sound like the knight would count). But again, too many troops, not enough heavy support.

Take firedrakes but not pyroclasts; they don't compare well to normal support marines.

When is it worth taking a Praevian with Castellax? My White Scars (Chogorian Brotherhood) list had so much volkite and plasma in it that the only fluff that made sense was that they had just raided a Mechanicum facility or something. The WS visited Prospero while trying to figure out who the good guys were, so I thought I might have them repair some damaged Zhao-Arhkhad stuff. Maybe even use the Achaea-pattern Castellax models using normal Castellax rules. In terms of crunch and fluff, is it a bad idea? The Praevian would get Outflank.

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Bumping for the Primordial Truth.

A recent Sergeant I painted, he does have irises but my garbage lighting and camera really makes my painting seem worse.

>>55109916
Even a lousy camera is fine when the lighting's good. How do you paint without decent lights?

Looks great though, especially the facial shading.

>>55110096
I use one lamp and it gives good lighting but not for pictures. I'm suspecting that it's all my Iphone cameras fault however.

Given that Cyber-occularis can Deep Strike because they have jet packs, they must deploy within 6" of their Archmagos and the Archmagos himself can take a Jet Pack, could you drop in the Archmagos and his Occularis together as long as they try to land within 6" of him? The idea of all my little carapaced tentacle bots curling up into little balls and firing themselves after him from the dropship is adorable.

How good are IF fists unique units? I like the look of Phalanx and Warden squads and I plan on using them, I just don't really know how to.

>>55111480
Pretty bad. Phalanx Warders are basically spendier breachers and Templar Brethren have no answer to 2+ saves.

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My Heresy group is cool with the 40k demon rules and Assassins, so here's Rough mockup of my Sister of Silence Vindicare Count-As

>>55111791
remove mold line

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>>55103860
Protip: upgrade the Incinerators to have both hull AND pintle-mounted multilasers to make those tanks super anti-infantry.

Fuck those Orks, IG, Tyranids and Elves right up it will.

>>55109899
>use the Achaea-pattern Castellax models using normal Castellax rules

What's the fluff behind Your Dudes? Are they reservists, called in from garrisoning some outpost, or are they some guerrilla force fighting the good fight away from supply lines? If the latter, easy to imagine a Praevian cobbling together a few Castellax using a few parts found on Propero. Have you considered buying 2 Achaea-pattern beepboops and a normal one and mixing the parts? Could look a little haphazard but functional, and most of all characterful.

>pic unrelated, still on my tonk high

>>55111930
It's a rough draft

Dead game. Sell your army.

>>55113265
This. Follow snekmagos's example.

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>>55112122
>What's the fluff behind Your Dudes?
They were with the legion at Chondax, and then Prospero. Most of them stayed loyal and became raiders along with the rest of the WS, trapped behind enemy lines and doing what they could to slow down the traitor advance. Standard stuff, really.

The only army-specific fluff is that they're a ground-based interdiction force. A few years into the war the traitors are escorting their fleets too effectively for frequent naval actions, so the usual plan is not to attack spaceports but to drop off an army halfway across the planet and ride/drive towards manufactora. Blow stuff up, ride farther out, and get picked up. That means limited use of flyers and the Castellax only make sense if I claim that they're on some sort of transport (that doesn't have to appear in-game).

I like the mixed parts idea a lot.

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old-school bump

>>55114727
30k was so much better before BaC and BoP let all the plebs in.

>>55109916
Fuck he looks evil.

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>>55109916
"Man, at seeing this guys's conviction I have to admit Lorgar was RIGHT!"

>t. All other Primarchs according to the book of Lorgar.

>>55115527
Well, the Book of Lorgar is now the foremost holy text of the Imperium. Does that mean all the Primarchs are seen the way Lorgar saw them before Chaos became best stepdad?

I've got a bunch of mk3 marines from the prospero box and a LR proteus. What would be best in a proteus? It not being an assault vehicle means heavy weapons or assault weapons are out, right?

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Hey folks,with Bligh death (rest in peace buddy) Arlatax/Homunculex battlw automata will probably never see the light,so i started to think about a conversion BUT i dont know how to do the ARC SCOURGE, i mean,it should be anought bit to appear like a lash for a domitar,what can i use?
I was thinking about
-talos arms tentacle
-dinobot-maulerfiend lashes

Scoria pic related

>>55116456
you could try tracking down an old chaos dreadnought's arc scourge?

>>55063334
>Praevian with Castellax with darkfire cannons and Tank Hunter? With Chogorian Brotherhood he'd get Outflank, and I think he'd confer it to the robots. They're S7 lance before Tank Hunter.
Doesn't seem too fluffy desu senpai

>Lascannon Javelins don't seem that great.
Grav speeders are pretty good though if you can spare the fast attack slots.

>>55115592
To a large degree probably, but the book of Lorgar is his chaos shit.

You are talking about the Lectitio Divinitatus.

>>55115997
Vets or support squads, or any shooty special unit of a Legion on power armour.

>>55078159
how did you do the blue?

>>55096065
>Gropey_the_clown
no way
>checks trip
yes way

>>55058835
If only the big, dumb bastard could've stayed not dead long enough to put Angelus out.

Solar Auxilia looks like fun to me. Is running a Veletaris force with Arvus Lighter transports even a little viable? I really like the fluff of an air-mobile force of human veterans with medics. However, the lack of heavy armour seems like a huge bane in the land of 30K. Thunderbolt fighters are an easy choice, but what other units could i possibly bring?

>>55116456
What is that conversion and what resin parts have gone into it?

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>late heresy alpha legion operations
Someone smarter than me come up with a better file name for pic related.

How are Blackshields, and what are ways to play them?

>>55118607
>S5 T5

>>55118607
They are basically a your dudes meme army that is worse than a regular legion list in every way.

They have a few different wrought by war rules that are similar to the Legiones Astartes rules.

>Death Seekers, like Death Guard without the chemical weapons or iron warriors without the shooting
6+ FNP, immune to pinning, don't suffer morale checks from shooting, can't cannot voluntarily fail morale checks and must pass a Ld test to end their movement further from an enemy unit

>Orphans of War, wannabe Ultramarines who think they can go it alone and duel
+1 Ld and reroll 1 to hit in shooting and assault phases within 6" of friendly Blackshields with more than five models, can't use other models Ld, if they fail morale in assault then lose D3 models, preferred enemy characters, no Chaplains or agents of the imperium, no allied space marines that include either as well

>Outlanders, rad grenade equip deep strikers who fuck off after losing ~half their numbers
half the infantry can DS but any mishaps and they lose D3 models, characters get rad nades and combi-bolters can be swapped for xenos deathlocks (volkite chargers that inflict more wounds based upon a Ld test with casualty modifiers, pseudo gets hot), after half your units are destroyed or fall back then every other unit disappears after a failed Ld test

>Chymeriae, Fabius Bile marines
+1 to S and T, -1 to I, charge and run, never sweep
+1 WS and BS, -2 Ld
they get fear, fleet, and rage, -1 BS

>>55118786
So...

Assault heavy then? Though I guess that may be outmatched by other assault heavy legions.

I love the idea of Blackshields but don't know if I should bother. Part of me wants to do Ashen Claws but using RG tactics, and part of me wants to do big gunline shooty shit and I don't know what legion.

>>55119103
They are outmatched by actual legions everywhere, if you are going into Blackshields worrying about being outmatched then you're doing it wrong.

If you like the idea of Blackshields then make a 'your dudes force' and fluff them out a bit, don't aim to be competitive because you'll be disappointed.

This isn't to say that they are terrible, just not great.

Does anyone come up with fluff or background for their armies? Also do you add to or adjust it with games or campaigns?

>>55119889
I've made some fluff for my guys, I add to it when I can but none explicitly references games I play. Bits may be influenced but I can't justify loyal Dark Angels vs loyal Imperial Fists every other week etc.

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What legion do you think has the best aesthetic?
I like the Roman theme of the Ultramarines, but the Word Bearers and Thousand Sons look nice as well.

>>55120203
EC, for being less glitzy than the Smurfs.
They have a fashion sense.

Jokes aside, I like purple and being warrior aristrocrats.
IH for being brutalist cyborgs as well.

>>55118406
>I don't know who's trolling who anymore.jpg

>tfw spent £25 I probably shouldn't have on bits for one model
hope he turns out well.

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>>55058894
Just finished greenstuffing a Word Bearer character.

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>>55058591

Is AV14spam still a thing?
Something like Armoured Assault RoW with ~6 Land Raiders at 2500pts.
Which Legion runs them best? Very few Legions seem to reward armour. Funnily enough, Raven Guard and Alpha Legion look to be good by making them Infiltrate.
What other units would you use to complement them? Maybe pack them full of TacSup Flamers?

>>55122271
Iron Hands and Salamanders are good for tonks

>>55122271
IH to make them regenerate and give one of them outflank. AL because you can give it infil.

>>55122271
Armored Assault is pretty lousy. The benefits are paltry and you can take a lot of Land Raiders without it: as dedicated transports they can be given to Terminators in your Elites slot, Breachers in Troops, Seekers in Fast Attack (they can take Proteuses), and then you can take non-dedicated Land Raiders/LR Achilles/Spartans in Heavy Support and give them to Veterans or Tacticals.

Dark Angels and Iron Hands have obvious rites of war that work well. But any rite that lets you take a special unit with LR options as a Troops choice is good, as long as it doesn't limit the number of tanks you can take (if you want to take any dreadnoughts, Pride of the Legion might not work). Armored Breakthrough is fun because your Troops can be fast Predators. They don't take many points so you can still take a slew of Land Raiders.

>>55121561
Nice and evil! How long did it take you to learn that level of greenstuffing skills? I spent a while trying to learn how to make a simple set of robes and came away with nothing but a lot of wasted material.

>>55120646
Watcha making?

>>55123256
Cheers. I've been sculpting bits and bobs for my minis for years, just stick with it. Planning ahead on what you want to accomplish and having proper clean tools at hand goes a long way.
For example this model was a simple enough job. I emulated the shape of the fire on the gauntlet to make it look seamless, made the tube with a putty roll maker you can find online and flattened out the abdomen part.

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>>55118607

With Chainaxes, Shotguns and their backstory, they make a fun alternative to the World Eaters LA. You can make a good case for any of them depending on how you imagine them:
> FNP (6+), never fall back under fire, uncontrolled
> Reroll 1's to hit, High Ld and PE (Characters). On the other hand, Nails burn out and Fuck Angron
> Rage, Fear, Fleet, -1BS speaks for itself

13pts for a 2A, S5/AP4 marine with a Shotgun and ultragrit isn't a bad deal by any stretch. The real loss is in Rites of War and the loss of playstyles coming with that.

>>55123448
Dark Angels plasma moritat, I know they are shit but it's more of a narrative model than anything else.

Highlights are the Death Guard torso with skull, mk3 command squad helmet and Huron blackheart's backpack.

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>>55124265
>Huron blackheart's backpack
I think I can take a wild stab at guessing his allegiance. He's obviously a Loyalist, right?

>>55123578
Thanks! Are you talking about Tentacle Maker? I've heard of it, but I don't have any need for tentacles or cables yet, so I haven't pulled the trigger yet.

>>55124124
where'd you get the leftmost head?

So I decided to change my list somewhat; it now has some pretty cool stuff that's decidedly 30K and isn't quite as spam-y as it used to be. I think it's definitely weaker, since I'm dropping 1 apothecary, 15 Havocs (10 lascannons, 5 missile launchers) and 10 Seekers for 10 extra Tacticals, 1 Leviathan and 10 Destroyers. I think it'll look better, take less space and be more fun to paint though, and that was what really won me over. I chose the most flexible weapons on the Leviathan since compared to my old list, it needs to compensate for a lot that the Destroyers honestly probably can't.

3 000 Points Iron Warriors
HQ: 145 points
Legion Centurion, volkite charger
- 60 points
Legion Centurion, Legion Vigilator Consul
- 85 points

Elites: 1175 points
Legion Terminator Squad, 10x Cataphractii Terminators, lightning claw on Sergeant, 2x Terminators w. heavy flamer & single lightning claw, 7x pairs of lightning claws
- 465 points
Legion Destroyer Squad, 10x Destroyer, jump packs, melta bombs, 2x missile launcher with suspensor web and ONLY rad missiles
- 400 points
Legion Dreadnought, twin-linked autocannon
- 130 points
Apothecarion Detachment, 3x Apothecary
- 135 points

Troops: 685 points
Legion Tactical Squad, 20x Legionnaires
- 225 points
Legion Tactical Squad, 20x Legionnaires
- 225 points
Legion Tactical Support Squad, 7x plasma gun, augury scanner on Sergeant
- 235 points

Heavy Support: 995 points
Leviathan Siege Dreadnought, 2x volkite caliver, 2x grav-flux bombard
- 320 points
Iron Havoc Support Squad, 10x Havoc, 10x lascannon
- 460 points
Iron Havoc Support Squad, 5x Havoc, 5x missile launcher, augury scanner on Sergeant
- 215 points

>>55121561
>bald

A true follower of Lorgar!

Can I ask why everyone loves Leviathan Dreads so much? They're rather good, sure, but they're a bit ugly and are supposed to be really rare.
I do like killing them, so no actual problem with it, but seeing lists that are essentially Primarch/Named HQ/Spartan/Pack of some kind of Termies in a box and then min troops and Leviathans at 2k/2.5k is always a bit strange when the mission is fluffed as a supply outpost or something. Seems like overkill.

>>55125611
its almost as if fw filled the game to the brim with shit that trivially kills hordes of marines (one of the main reasons people want to play HH) and so people don't want to take marines anymore.
desu this killed HH for me even before Bligh bit it, there's pretty much no point in playing the game for me when everyone just brings what feels like a 40k list. now its not even an optimal way to play 40k since 8th came out. I only come here for pretty models now, but even that is pretty much dead.

>>55125611
The generic answer that FW themselves would give in situations like this is "ah yes, this is strange, but the sheer chaos of the Heresy means that things and people ended up in places they normally wouldn't be." Like any given Legionnaire in the wrong place compared to the rest of their legion fluffed as 'caught in a warp storm and thrown off course' or 'part of a local garrison that wasn't relocated in time' etc etc.

>>55125676
Honestly, I'm here for the fluff; The pre-Heresy fluff about the Legion's origins. Since all that stuff was Bligh, I fear the last few Legions will suffer for his absence. It seems like the nailed the Dark Angels down before he died, but I'm worried about the Blood Angels and the White Scars.

>>55125611
>but they're a bit ugly
Going to have to disagree with you there. I love the thiccnought. It's really fun seeing what people do with them since they're such a blank canvas of resin. Dreads of all kinds are my favourite models.

>>55125676
Yeah, it was pretty questionable to put AP3 unit deleting templates in what was marketed as marines: the game.

>>55125780
I want to use them as stand-ins for 40k's new Redemptors, which to me look like they're wearing giant overalls or nappies.

>>55125396
You might've gone too far. Your Havocs are dangerously exposed to deep strikers, and your Leviathan too, in a way - without CCWs it can get tarpitted. Your Terminators will have a hard time protecting both. Consider replacing one Havoc squad with Siege Tyrants. That way you'll have two good close combat-capable squads supporting all your shooting.

>>55125780
Speaking as a Reductor player who's entire thing is loads of that stuff on fragile platforms, AP3 is often comparatively useless given people love Terminators and FW gave Artificer sarges out to everyone who can usually tank three or four wounds from the five or so hits you'll get with a Basi plate. It's REALLY binary, AP2 or nothing, so of course it gravitated towards high AP dakka. Everything else is at 1/3 power or less against everything but Imp Army. I normally stick to Basilisks and leave the AP2 to Melee and my small grav squad, which seems to keep things reasonably fair in my meta at least.
I'm mostly happy we stayed in 7e from a rules perspective, but a hypothetical 7.5 megaedition of awesome could REALLY use the 8e save modifier system. Then I would be able to happily fire Volkite Myrmidons, Marauder Destroyer Lords of War and Basilisk artillery into Astartes armies all day and enjoy it rather than feeling I wasted hundreds of points on pillow cannons.

>>55125711

I do get your point there, it just slightly saddens me when I glance over a couple battles and see four Primarchs and three Named Characters scrapping over some random maunfactorums. Warp must be working overtime, since I hardly ever see anything else in 40k or 30k due to most named chars being pretty much outright better and everyone wanting to run Primarchs for obvious reasons.

>>55124124
Come to think of it, those rules would be pretty good for Space Sharks would they not?

>>55124737
The big star is actually a separate part so he's just a regular loyalist with an anvilus pattern backpack.

:^)

in my fluff it's insinuated that he and his destroyer cadre are a bit suspect though

>>55126010
Yeah, I agree. It's a handwave that falls apart the more often it's used. But the irritating fact is that as a business they need to sell these huge, expensive models, so they're not going to tell us not to use them because it wouldn't be appropriate to the backstory.

See also their constant reminders that there were plenty of members of the Traitor Legions who stayed Loyal and plenty of Loyalists who turned Traitor; No shit there were, it looks like Horus & co. somehow forgot to bring several thousands outposts worth of Marines to Istvaan, and Dorn accidentally misplaced whole Chapters worth of Fists who were just waiting to snap. Oh, those pesky warp currents!

>>55126236
>>55126010

It strikes me as very similar to WhFB 8th Edition. Marketed as a game all about massed blocks and huge numbers, but the reality is that nobody can be fucked to paint and carry all of that around.
So they cherry-pick the power units that they can get easily and the 'massed fantasy combat' actually looks more like 5 chariots, 3 chimerae and some cannons.

>>55126316
Indeed. To carry on your thought, GW notices that people are buying a certain type of model, and because they are a money-making organization, they make more of the sort of thing that people buy. After a while they realize that this has unbalanced the game, so they put out a hard nerf in an FAQ/another edition. Then a different type of unit stands out as the best/coolest/most convenient, and the cycle starts again.

>>55126174
What about the smaller star? Are you filing that off?

>>55126316
I don't know, I have a soft spot for massive blocks of dudes since they tend to be pretty easy to batch paint while watching other stuff, so I'll probably whack a couple Cyber-Augmented militia blobs into my army at some point for meatshields. I do think you're right though, big blobs of tacs look just complicated enough to be boring.

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>>55108069
>salamanders are slow
I really don't understand that meme, sure they're shit at melee unless you go full cataphractii and shields, but that doesn't hinder their movement capacity, the -1 to run is not problematic, if you're running on the field you're wasting the shooting phase which should't happend in the first place. The only time they're slower than other legions is on the charge because of that -1
>play armored assault or podfest
Nope, not for me, i'm satisfied with my rhinos and 5++land raiders
>play firedrake, not pyroclast
Someone said earlier that av14boxes in the troop slot were good ? Beside firedrake cost too much for something that dies just as well against medusas, lascannons and power fist, regular termis in a raider should fuction just as well
>>55125611
Is pic related that ugly compared to a fancy shiny contemptor ?

I can't find the anthology novel version of the Garro stories or The Last Son of Prospero in those links. Can someone point me in the right direction?

>>55126938
Oh, you can certainly do cool stuff with them,not disputing that. There was one I saw a while ago with a badass water base up to the knees. I just think that a vanilla Leviathan paintjob makes the model look worse than a vanilla Contemptor or Boxnaught paintjob, since there's more stuff in less space and the Levi has way less stuff to edge highlight and wash for contrast.
Also, the fat look means they look slightly less sexy lined up three abreast and next to a bunch of boxy Marine tanks, I think they look a LOT better as centrepieces in their own right.

My order of Dread aesthetics is something like (Not BaC) Contemptor/Custodes Contemptor>Boxnaught>Leviathan> Telemon >Calthtemptor/Deredeo.

>>55127130
What kicks the Calthtemptor so far down the list?

>>55126316
I agree it's similar to WHFB 8th ed, but also in the sense that 30k has artillery that plays the same role as WHFB's massed block-erasing magic spells.

>>55127181
Boring monopose beastie with barely any detail, since it had to suit every legion. Good for converting the hell out of, though, but the rest stand alone pretty well without needing a bunch of augmentation to not look like an angry egg cosy with a nametag.

>>55126938
>Beside firedrake cost too much for something that dies just as well against medusas, lascannons and power fist, regular termis in a raider should fuction just as well
If they're in a transport you should be able to control who gets to shoot at or attack them. Regular Termies are fine too, no argument there.

>>55127181
Its legs and head are monopose in a standing-straight-up, looking-straight-ahead position. And it isn't the easiest model to repose.

>>55126390
Oh Yeah, I'll be filling the smaller ones off too.

>>55127181
Because it is a relatively large model that is only a few points away from being a snap-fit. There's very little variety you can get out of it without a fair bit of modeling work, and if you want to do anything with the legs you need to either be a wizard with greenstuff and cutting tools, or just buy a real Contemptor.

>>55127240
>>55127328
>>55127272
I guess you could call it a CONTEMPTible model, when compared to the rest of the box.

>>55127702
Carlos I swear to god...

>>55127702
Ho ho ho

In other news, I had finally finished my Epic-scale Contemptors but my toddler knocked them over and now I can't find the Death Guard one. He must've had help; they were too high up on a shelf on my desk. I did have a spare, I'll just have to repaint it. Then on to 28mm things.

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>>55128120
In other news, I had finally finished my Epic-scale Primarch Project but Malcador knocked them over and now I can't find them. He must've had "help, the tubes were too high up on a shelf on my desk. I did have some spare material, I'll just have to wing it. Then on to Webway things.

>>55128230
And so the femarchs were born, and the galaxy was never the same.

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>>55128260
F-female Primarchs?

>>55127130
Aww, I like bullet bill noughts. What's your gripe with deredeos?

>>55128291
>skulls with II and XI
>not big enough to be Primarch skulls
What did Malcador mean by this?

>>55129084
Pretty much the same problem. It's shaped like a slightly squished eggnought and because the guns on it are fuckheug there's only one or two poses you can manage other than variations on "standing still, levelling guns". That's a problem with most Dreads, but it is more obvious with the really long guns and stocky body. Also still somewhat less detail than the Legiontemptors, but that's understandable thanks to there only being one of these and it only having a couple wide panels to plaster with insignia anyway. There's not really a strong opinion on most of that lot, although I think the Telemon is a tad oversized and has slightly janky lore given if you play Custodes vs. Custodes it's probably possible to lose every Tele that actually has a pilot in the galaxy.

I do like battle-automata, big genetic monsters like Nids or Genetus, Knights and Titans, so I guess I should probably also like the sleepy rage fridges, but somehow I've never really been into Dreads.

>>55129084
The terrible secret behind the II and XI Primarchs- the reason they and their entire Legions needed to be annihilated and wiped from history- is revealed: They were shortasses.

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Postin' mah glorious (but small) army

>>55125744
Dark Angel rules really suck though. I wish they didnt have rules so I could pick the generic legion trait stubborn to be honest.

>>55130154
cool army, except it looks like vulcan is standing on a bunch of dice.

At what point do you have too much stuff? I've kind of realized I do but still want more to round out armies

>>55131165
once you pass a company of marines you're into "probably to much." but fuck it, if your hobby is painting little marine dudes and playing with little marine dudes then you can't really have to many.

>>55131165
When you run out if slots is a good indicator

>>55131432
I disagree, you really mean to tell me you only want to have 3 heavy support options available to you?

>>55129084
They had tiny heads, and that just won't do for the Emperor.

>>55124982
Yes, that thing.
>>55125523
Hearty kek!

>>55130154
The Vindicator might be a little awkward, but the rest of the army looks great. I like how the knight is only slightly different in color.

>>55131267
Fuck.

Well uh.... I have 135 Imperial Fists and only 25 are painted. I just built their Typhon... 102 Custodes and they're all painted. 3 Knights and a Reaver too.

>>55132623
Yeah, you're kinda deep. But remember, there are still plenty of people in far, far deeper waters than you are. This is /tg/ after all.

>>55132947
This is fair.

I'm worried because I still want a Fire Raptor, 2 more Rhinos, 2 Predators, and another Contemptor, and another Xiphon for more force rounding.

Custodes are getting two of the gunships.

Fuck. Me.

>>55130375
I said I was only talking about fluff.

>>55132956
Well, hope you know how to contact z or have a well payed job

>>55133330
Thankfully I do both. I really like Alpharius' quality too.

>>55133420
I had a bad surprise with the pyroclast I ordered to alpha, they had many mold lines (though i'm a fool for not seeing most of them until i was painting them)

>>55132956
go for it man, as long as you're having fun and had fun putting together your little mans who cares.

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Bump for wet leopard growls.

>>55065928
Wait... are you a Wellingtonian?