Thoughts /tg/?

I'm surprised no one had shitposted about it before you. That's how it makes me feel.

Sounds like they're going to be trying too hard to make the game inclusive. It's not like it's the GM's choice in the end, after all.

>>55046364
Rather confused actually.

What could you even do to it? Remove clerics and paladins as to provide a safe space for gay gamers?

>>55046364
It sounds like a clickbaiting kotaku article that grossly misstates what is actually going on, as usual.

>>55046364
I don't use any premade NPCs and don't really do official adventures, so whatever. To each their own.

>>55046364
>Kotaku

Not much of anything. Seems odd since the main point of tabletop involves the players and GM making the game how they want it.

And since when did kotaku cover tabletop games?

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Not just D&D but all roleplay is kind of gay anyway.

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Will the vampire seduce anyone regardless of gender, the old adventure said female with highest CHA?
Sure
INCLUDING TRANS PCS?!?!
err.. yes.

OMG GUYS DND SO GOOD!

>>55046488
>And since when did kotaku cover tabletop games?
Since the Gawker name got absolutely tarnished by pretty much everyone thanks to the Hulkster, so now Kotaku is what they use to virtue signal everything progressive and SJW on.

>Talking about gays
>Posts picture of a straight vampire dude

Fucking hetero shaming I swear

>>55046409
>Rather confused actually.
This. How do you make a game designed to create a world how the GM and his players want it "more queer"?
The only way I can think of is putting in big GAYS ARE OK U GUYS blocks of text into the MRB like WoD that makes super explicit what was already so implicit as to be essentially explicit for anyone who's not a retard. And that's just obnoxious.

>>55046364
dropped

>>55046364
>D&D is gay and aims to be even more gay

This is news?

>>55046646
By forcing it into the mechanics, for example, now you not only roll d20, you also have to give a blowjob (if you're male) to another male or trans player. And take it into the ass when you roll damage.

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>>55046646
>GAYS ARE OK U GUYS blocks of text into the MRB like WoD
Oh no, it's a lot more passive-agressive than that.

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>>55046364
The game is as queer or un-queer as the players and GM make it. I suppose they mean that the formal, official settings and characters will now explicitly include more queer characters and issues.

I'm OK with this. Anyone who isn't is just angry about something they can solve in-game just by saying "my setting isn't this queer". I don't understand how anyone can be upset by it, but I'm sure someone will be more than willing to illustrate how fucking furious this makes them, having to read words about things they don't like but can choose to completely ignore but they don't.

>>55046364
If you haven't made the game yours already and still get upset over stuff like this, then you're doing it wrong.

>>55046364
What does that even mean?

>>55046753
Remember when someone snuck in text in the 1st edition 5e PHB that said Elves could be futas?

>>55046708
>rolling d20s
look at this cis hetero patriarch, rolling for so called "numbers"

in the new additions the DM will ask you what you "feel" you did, and then you rub your participation award

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>>55046967
Stop that. Your strawman is silly.

>>55046753
This is almost as laughable as the "only bad guys are racist" in Deadlands.

Last game I had a player be an asexua Aetherborn, and one player fucked a male goblin sailor due to being thirst after two months on a spelljamming like ship. Due to a joke that got out of hand, the two wizards that worked the help ended being THe old guy and his lover/apprentice.

I don't understand what they are trying to do. If anything, it will only add more traps and dickgirls to my games that are according to the rules of the official books.

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>>55047011
I have more.

>>55046364
As long as we don't get fags in it.

>>55047011
I think MPreg werewolves is more laughable than that. At least "only bad guys are racist" is a common trope in historical movies.

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>>55047028
Who needs Bloodlines anyway? This is how you REALLY do a World of Darkness video game!

>>55047041
Yeah, but it's awfully dismissive of the kind of world you'd have when people were considered property not 20 years prior and are now walking around with guns. That's part of the flavor and to get rid of it because you don't want to paint either side as a bad guy is shitty.

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>>55047028
I mean, that would totally work if you were even slightly subtle about it. Getting the internet frothing at the mouth isn't hard.
See: This thread.

>>55046364

I've known that D&D was gay since at least 4th edition, but it's nice they're secure enough to come out of the closet.

>>55046364
Even if the rules as written directly states you must engage in homosexual activity IRL to begin character creation, no one is going to read the fucking rules and will interpret the 30% of what they skim however they want regardless, so does it really matter?

>>55047141
Ignoring their efforts is the same as supporting them, you know.

Because you're not opposing them, you're not even criticizing them. You're taking it like a bitch.

Hasn't Pazio already delievered that in spades?

Is that Nick Cave
Why are they making Nick Cave gay?

>>55047178
Yes, and Starfinder is trash because of it.

>>55046364
It makes me feel glad I abandoned d&d long ago.

>>55047166
The fuck kind of drugs are you on?

No, seriously, I need to know--explicitly--what information you derived from my statement about lazy ass players that led you to assume 1) I wasn't criticizing or opposing lazy ass players or 2) that I even give half a fuck that Wizards might want to fag up DnD?

>>55047166
>The Culture War is serious business and you have to pick a side
No

>>55047189
>Why are they making Nick Cave gay?

Because 35% of the population is gay, and it's about time we represented those people.

Anons, let's think what they could add to make the game more queer!
Homo characters, dickgirls, crossdressers, M.pregnancy,gay marriage, a god of the gays, make a matriarcal society that hates males Wait , that already exists, make some races assexual with their own pronouns.

>>55046364
>>55046409
My guess is probably pushing it more for the modules they're publishing?

>>55047224
You were being dismissive of people trying to make their games more "progressive" and "inclusive," suggesting that isn't going to change a goddamn thing and nobody should actually worry about it.

>>55046992
>strawman
>man
Sexist much? are you implying women can be straw?

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>>55046364
Been there, done that.

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>>55047266
>Implying I don't accept all straw-entities
step up bucko

>>55047178
>That NPC who one day decided to put women clothes
>No make up, no shit, just women clothes, he doesn't even shave or anything
>Suddenly everybody thinks he's an atractive woman
This is kender level of bullshit writing and attempting to force setting stupidity into people

>>55046923

gimme proof. I want to laugh and cry at the same time

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>>55047237
A Dwarven mercenary group known as th "Brotherhood of the Bear".

>>55047263
No, I wasn't. At all.

I literally stated it won't matter what they decide to do, because no one reads the rules and just plays whatever they want anyways.

Implying that even if the rules directly stated you have to be a fag to even start playing, everyone would just ignore it.

How are you this fucking stupid? How is your reading comprehension so bad? Where did you go to school?

If you want an overt statement about my position on gender or identity politics in games, I think it's incredibly telling someone as completely braindead as you is the kind of person who gives a rat's ass about this sort of shit.

>>55047235
I think the new narrative is that there are no straight people, they've all just been brainwashed into heteros by the sinister patriarchy.

not to say these threads don't ultimately devolve into shitposting but it consistently amazes me how mild /tg/'s political takes are, even at their absolute worst, when compared so some other boards' average threads on the same shit

>>55046364
It's a rather queer title to tell the truth.

>>55047331
Most middle-schoolers identify as bisexual, actually.

That is, they've only ever been attracted to the opposite sex, but admit they'd probably bone someone of the same sex if they were "hot enough."

>>55047339
Even at our worst, we're still the best.
>>55047345
shit I guess I'm a middle schooler now

>use dice and a ruleset to make a game world come alive however the DM wishes
>it's not real d&d unless there's a Great Emporer Xir and the Neutral Trans Knights of Hormonus Incorectus

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>>55047320
The text about hermaphrodites was removed in the second printing.

>>55047363
The most popular DnD podcast on the internet right now actually features gay giant kings and a completely equal society.

>>55046364
That's gay

>>55047391
>The text about hermaphrodites was removed in the second printing.

Why was it removed? What caused WotC to actually pull back on their Diversity Quota?

>>55047414
I don't think it was intended to be there in the first place. My guess is that someone snuck it in during proofing and the editors didn't check.

>>55047391
>the CL was a tranny argument
>not realizing that it was an attempt to make a singular god for all elves, and that didn't jive with the rest of d&d
kek

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>>55047391
>Bearded female dwarf who hates being mistaken for a male
I understood that reference, and I appreciate it.

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>>55046397
How do you make an entirely customizable game MORE inclusive?

>>55046753
The demon one kinda makes sense to me, since it's literally just a demon pouring itself into another body and still acting the way its used to acting

>>55047428
>I don't think it was intended to be there in the first place.

What about WotC makes you even think that was the reason?

>>55046364
Why do SJW types pretend the 90s never happened?

We have already queered up everything sufficiently.

https://pastebin.com/x1CYHJAM

Basically says Crawford is gay, is making sure there's some representation of gays in all further adventures, cites Storm King's Thunder and Curse of Strahd as current adventures and Tomb of Annihilation as the next adventure.

That's it.

>>55047445
By making the default setting, default characters and default rules hella diverse? By openly discussing how you SHOULD be inclusive and progressive?

>>55047450
>Why do SJW types pretend the 90s never happened?

They grew up on the 90s, which became their "baseline."

>>55047449
The original writing staff of 5e was pretty normie and on the corporate end they seemed to mainly be catering to a broad, traditional-fantasy-oriented consumer. OSR players and LoTR/GoT normies, not hyper-progressives.

They even had RPGPundit consult on the book, because he was considered a stand-out game designer from the OSR community.

>increasingly irrelevant game cries for attention
Hook line and sinker

>>55047345
And most middle schoolers would tell you they would kill someone if they wanted to. Teen boys being horny enough to say they might go a hot dude is different to going down to the gay sauna and sucking off some bears.

>>55047473
>The original writing staff of 5e was pretty normie and on the corporate end they seemed to mainly be catering to a broad, traditional-fantasy-oriented consumer. OSR players and LoTR/GoT normies, not hyper-progressives.

Is this the same writing staff that made the default fighter a turbo-black guy in the Player's Handbook?

>>55047485
>Teen boys being horny enough to say they might go a hot dude is different to going down to the gay sauna and sucking off some bears.

It's certainly a shift from how it used to be, when horny teenage boys would say going after any dude is extremely gay and they'd rather bone the nearest available female hole.

>>55047493
...yes. Are you implying there weren't black iconic characters in 4e or 3.5?

>>55047028
What is this drivel?

>>55047391
does anyone have a second print they can take a picture of on this page, I wanna see how they changed it, because it's not in the errata. It's page fucking 121 just to make it easier

>>55047493
Here's the thing normie doesn't necessarily equate to white nationalist that wouldn't include a black guy as a protagonist under any circumstance.

>>>/pol/

>>55047493
Do you mean the art on the Fighter page? I don't think that's particularly weird, and the pregen characters actually don't use the art from the class page. They're just blank builds.

>>55047465
>By openly discussing how you SHOULD be inclusive and progressive?
Aren't there author comment boxes that do this already in shit like DM manuals?

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>>55047571
Here's a photo of my book with the errata.

>>55047639
That's absolute bullshit, why were the writers at WotC so scared to suggest an Elf could be hermaphroditic?

>>55047465
>By openly discussing how you SHOULD be inclusive and progressive?

#Kinderlives matter

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>>55046364

>>55047664
Dunno, most people just assume elf players are gay or mentally fucked in some way already

>>55047664
Well that blurb about Corellon in the first edition was straight-up wrong, so that might be why.

>>55047701
Are you suggesting there's something wrong with being hermaphroditic?

>>55047725
yes, medically.

>>55047725
Not for elves.

>>55047701
>something written and published by wotc is wrong
Don't get me wrong I think it's just fucking stupid funny, they could have easily retconned any other lore about him though

>>55046753
What the fuck is this shit?

>>55046364
I feel really bad because they used an image of Strahd, and his entire purpose in life is to be a cautionary tale for women who go after abusive bad boys.

I also feel bad because this is a symptom of a larger sign, and I worry that WotC will turn into the next Paizo.

>>55047639
>>55047391
Why are the fonts and the background so wildly different

>>55047791
This is Onyx Path.

>>55047791
What you are looking at is the last gasps of a tabletop system that died a slow, pitiful death.

>>55046364
Confused.

>>55047814
The flat one is an OCRed high-DPI scan from the PDF share thread (so the text is machine-read and reproduced in searchable format). The wrinkly one is a pic I took on my cellphone in regular light, so the color of the background is less pronounced.

>>55046364
>How does this make /tg/ feel?

Confused.
They have absolutely no fucking power over what I do as a DM, how the hell are they going to make the game more 'queer'?

Dungeons & Dragons is 'open source' as they come, unless queer people are fucking STUPID, the only thing preventing them from playing DnD is the cost of books and having friends.

>>55047895
>how the hell are they going to make the game more 'queer'?

By making your adventure path books, settings and source materials even more gay.

>>55047895
Kotaku is just click-bait, without reading the article or its sourcing i can guarantee you that all it happens to mention is that D&D includes people of all type, including gay, and will continue to do so. Possibly mentioning an increase in good representation in specific modules in the form of NPCs.

>>55047910
I don't have a single problem with it. If you're playing in Forgotten Realms, you're already a fag, might as well be honest about it.

>>55046364
Like half of /tg/ doesn't suck Dick already. How the fuck can you make the game I sucked my first dick at gayer than it already is?

>>55046708
I've been playing that game for years then

>>55047166

Nice false flag, faggot. That's like saying putting up a salt lick is pro-deer and anti-hunter.

Nuclear fire when? I'm so tired of politics.

jump off the ship, lads

>>55047981
Don't worry, the ecosystem is already blasted beyond repair.

Within two generations the brown shall inherit the Earth. Fortunately, there won't be much of an Earth left.

Lesbian characters are still cancer.

>>55046364
It's always been super queer. What're you on about?

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>>55046364
>Kotaku
Kotaku is garbage who hire 'journalists' who can't write or do any real journalism. So I wouldn't be surprised if they approached Wizards asking the question beforehand, or if they wildly misinterpreted what Wizards said to make a flashy article.

Besides that, I hope that Wizards doesn't go full Paizo and do shit like add in a race that's just an allegory for trans people.

>>55048036
>I hope that Wizards doesn't go full Paizo and do shit like add in a race that's just an allegory for trans people.

... You mean Changelings?

it has to be the works of the international capitalists

>>55047323

Mental retardation and reddit spacing go hand-in-hand. I don't get the point of their strawman.

>>55047345

Yeah, and where do you think they do those studies? Some West Coast school with diversity quotas that encourages parents to slap their kids on puberty blockers if they ever joke about being the other gender.

>>55048052
I'm actually really curious where they do those studies. People in my middle school would have called you a pervert if you asked what type of person they wanted to sleep with.

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>>55048052
>Some West Coast school with diversity quotas that encourages parents to slap their kids on puberty blockers if they ever joke about being the other gender.

West Coast is the only part of the country that matters.

>>55047465
>By openly discussing how you SHOULD be inclusive and progressive?

Why, though? It's an ideology that failed, it would be on par with every game pushing ethnic nationalism. Even the ultra-liberals want segregation these days.

>>55046364
You can't make a roleplaying game more queer because in the end everything that gets played in the game it up to the DM and players so unless they queer it up it won't be.

>>55048104
Have you ever played with someone who wanted to queer the game up, and everyone else wasn't having it?

>>55047051
Edge and sjw, who knew they went together like noncommittal sex

>>55047493

I'd say the Bard that was clearly traced from some hipster androgyne's tumblr selfie is a more grevious offender than Sir Dreadsmaster, who looks like he'd vote for Trump.

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>>55046364
>>55047701
>>55047664
>>55047639
Ye olde edition for comparison.

>>55048042
No, I mean Lashuntas in Starfinder.
>Males and females can chose what dymorpic species to become via taking hormones.
>It was described that Lashuntas males and females were of different genotypes in the non-progressive past, but now lashuntas can go through training and take hormones to become the genotype they want to be.
>Their ONLY flaw is that they're so beautiful and likable that it makes dealing with them hard because of their "disconcerting attractiveness"

Even if changelings are an allegory for trans people, at least they're interesting. Lashuntas are literally mary sue levels of bad writing because the race that has to represent trans people must be the all-perfect race that everyone loves.

>>55046364
Elves will now be 23% more gay and prismatic spray will now be described as a shower of confetti.

>>55047597
>>>/yourhugbox/

Go cry somewhere else.

>>55046364
>posting Kotaku
>uploads clickbait article with no post other than "thoughts?" :^) :^) :^)

these type of shitposts should be bannable by means of physical violence

>>55048081
or what they're even comparing it to

It's not like there were middle schoolers being asked what their sexual identity was five, ten, or fifteen years back.

>>55048131
I feel like nobody should be surprised by White Wolf at this point. Back in the 90s they were the ones who printed Werewolf and Mage with explicit "science is literally evil" messages. Werewolf was a game about being an ecoterrorist fighting against the healthcare industry, and Mage was about wanting to live off the grid and destroy the internet and globalism.

The only thing that changed was which pet causes their political peers were advocating.

>>55048089

Because a person in Alaska has a vote that counts for more than the votes of 7 people in California is a perfectly running system.

>>55047813

What did Paizo do exactly? I don't play Pathfinder.

>>55048190
See>>55048147

>>55048177
Californians are widely known to be 1/7th of a person.

>>55048177
On the flip side should the rest of the country be ignored because CA and NY vote a specific way?

>>55048219
Only 1 out of every 7 Californians is a legal citizen, anyway.

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>>55046364
Well, DnD has been getting gayer and gayer with each successive edition... So I guess I'm not surprised in the least.

>>55048219
As someone who believes the electoral system needs some serious revision on the state level, I can't deny this is true.

>>55048243
Uhm, I'm sorry sweetie... But just because our states are better than yours does not mean you deserve a booster seat to spew your hateful, bigoted rhetoric, okay?

Just sit back and let the adults handle this, your welfare check's in the mail :)

>>55048190
Wide use of homosexual, transsexual and colored characters in their campaigns and system setting, up to and including Hormone Therapy as a major (albeit cheap) item available in Starfinder.

>>55048089

Besides the drought, the economy that can't support itself without a massive influx of federal dollars, the wildfires, the fact that California is either becoming or IS a majority Mexican state because it shelters illegal aliens and gang members to such an unprecedented extent that millions of them could have credibly voted in the 2016 election...

We are responsible for all of the food you eat and the water you drink, we fund your state and own all the guns. Know your place and bend the knee, subhuman, your votes are worth less for a REASON.

>>55048127
>Bardslayer.jpg

>>55048278
>We are responsible for all of the food you eat and the water you drink, we fund your state and own all the guns. Know your place and bend the knee, subhuman, your votes are worth less for a REASON.

California exports food, that's how much they're making. They don't have guns, but they're the 9th wealthiest "nation" in the world. You say you fund them, but California's economy is so large that the Federal government uses much of their wealth for the "welfare states" like Georgia and Arkansas.

>>55048263
California spends the most on welfare out of any state by a huge margin. The next 3 states combined don't even measure up.

>>55048147

I googled them.

>civilized matriarchal society

I promptly regretted googling them.

>>55048151

Can my Elves be the Pillar Men?

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>>55048263
Eh, that was ok bait. I'll give you an A for effor.

>>55047597
>another episode of "everything that does not fit into the narrow frame my genderstudies taught me is /pol"
that's why you are always losing

Really don't care, not going to affect homebrew, people who like it can include whatever gay shit they add and feel affirmed by it and people who don't can't just not use it.

>>55048163

No, 15 years ago they just assumed everyone was straight, and all the adults had this weird, bashful way of talking about other orientations. It was like gays were refugees from some foreign country, "Yes, they're out there, and yes you should be nice to them, but we know none of YOU boys and girls are gay because you're our children. So we'll talk about homosexuality when we talk about black people and prejudice and stuff, but we won't mention them at all when we talk about puberty, we'll show some sex-ed videos from the 90s and pass around the anatomical models and we won't even mention homosexuality that day".

I live in one of the most rural parts of the country (central Maine, used to be papermill country, now its just back woods with no economy). I'm 30, I'm good friends with my 17 year old cousin, I thought my generation was open-minded about gays but its soooo different now. When I was in highschool it was "THE gay kid", the one guy out of 300+, and that became his identity whether he liked it or not. Now it almost sounds like the straight kids are segregating themselves by forming cliques of ultra-straight-toughguys while the majority are casually bisexual.

(most of them probably aren't bisexual, in my opinion, they're probably just being open-minded while they're young, but the point is shit has changed).

>>55048081
>People in my middle school would have called you a pervert if you asked what type of person they wanted to sleep with.

Do you live in the Bible Belt?
When I was in middle school all the kids were talking about sex, and the adults were talking to them about sex, they just weren't talking about other sexualities or identities. It was assumed that if you were gay you would want to keep it to yourself. And trans wasn't a thing.

>>55048052
>cant figure out that stating "nothing will change because the players are lazy" is a critique of the players and nothing else
>cant figure out theres no statement of any sort of political leaning in that
>has to rely on asinine memes and launch accusations of unsound rationality to attempt an argument

Can you be anally devastated that a corporation is interested in pandering to someone other than heterosexual white guys somewhere else? Is that a possibility?

>>55048372
>Do you live in the Bible Belt?
>When I was in middle school all the kids were talking about sex, and the adults were talking to them about sex, they just weren't talking about other sexualities or identities. It was assumed that if you were gay you would want to keep it to yourself. And trans wasn't a thing.
West-Coast Lefty liberal-land actually.

>>55047322
Rose Tribe

> How does this make /tg/ feel?
Well clearly as a straight person I shouldn't be stealing the spotlight from people of non heterosexual nature or making this now queer space unsafe by having a heterosexual presence in it. It's like movies with minorities or women as leads, me participating in anyway is just white/male/hetro/whatever normative attempting to reasert itself in a non white/male/hetronormative space.

>>55048397

That's interesting.

I'm sure I've met *individuals* who would call you a pervert for asking middle-schoolers about their sexuality, that attitude isn't unheard of to me, I guess it just wasn't very common at my school or among the parents I've known.

I read the pastebinned article since apparently nobody else did.

> Every adventure since Curse of Strahd has included one or several queer characters, and Crawford assured Kotaku that this will be a constant into future adventures: “Ever since we brought our adventure design fully back in-house,” he said, “all of our new adventures contain LGBT characters. This is true of our next adventure, Tomb of Annihilation, and it will be true of our stories after that.”

Basically an important writer is gay and shoving it in, and I'm predicting the Streissand Effect will result from it. It's not as godawful as White Wolf back in the day, but it's still an irritant.

> If you think about D&D’s core values for even a moment, Crawford explained, it’s clear that one of its messages is that the best group is the most diverse group. “You don’t want a party where everyone’s the same,” he said. “It’s a game where you’re always better off working together, working through your differences and achieving victory together, even when you sometimes disagree. So in so many ways a lot of what we’re doing are lessons from D&D itself.”

Fucking kek.

>>55048161

Being as triggered as you are should be bannable by means of physical violence.

>>55048177

Seems fair to me.

>>55048298

California exports luxury foods grown with water piped in so they can farm in the desert. It's an industry that could be done cheaper in surrounding states but survives due to corruption. Their wealth comes from Silicon Valley, the average citizen is extremely poor, and comes from federal subsidies. Enough with the debunked myths, don't pretend like you didn't see the panic the moment Papa Fed threatened their money stream.

>>55047235

Just 35%. FUCKING ERASURE. I think you mean 95%, shitlord.

>>55048372
>soooooo
>le bible belt meme
>I'm totally one of you rural and suburban retards, goy!

SkepticalAnimeGirl.swf

>>55048304
Oh Anon, that's just the start of it. It gets way worse. I'm convinced that they're the worst race in the entire rulebook.
>As a race, meaning they get this at starting level, they get the at will abilities of daze and psychokinetic/mage hand, and once per day they can use detect thoughts.
>Described as having perfect physical symmetry, and that most humanoid races find lashuntas attractive.
>The 5/6 of the main races of the book (Vesk, androids, kasathas, shirren, and humans) are all said to 'admire, value, and respect them'

>>55048374

Can you project on your blog instead of on /tg/? You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

>>55048462
Wait, even Androids, the race that is explicitly asexual?

>>55048417

I think people saying this shit is 95% straight normies being assmad.

There ARE bigoted liberals out there, and they do act like anon is describing, that's the other 5%.

Show me 20 straight white males talking like this, I'd say 1 of them has been excluded and prejudged by liberals and has fair reason to be upset. The other 19 are just being cunts and playing the victim for no reason.

The practical effect of this is that my fantasy of running a Right Wing Death Squad party grows closer and closer. Nerds are inherently contrarian. Shove Christianity down their throats and they start worshipping Great Old Ones. Shove progressivism down their throats and they start making Tempest Clerics named "Emik Cepne".

>>55048497
White males cannot be victims.

>>55048520
What's that a reference to?

>>55048457

I think that political tangents on /tg/ offend you and so you are shitposting on purpose.

I don't think your posting style is that offensive, not like they're the worst posts I've read on /tg/, its just that that's clearly the posting style people use when they are actively trying to shitpost.

>>55047445
>>55046409
With this sort of interview with Kotaku reminding people that such things aren't meaningful barriers so long as you don't see them as such. Even with all the strides into general acceptance TTRPGs have made, there's still those sorts of perceived barriers. Pair that with "doesn't really need mentioning" stuff like having a few NPCs have gay marriages, or whatever, without much hullabaloo.

I very much doubt they'll go Full Onyx Path.

>>55048497

That's quite literally mainstream leftist politics right now. Stay in your lane, shut your mouth, don't breathe our air...but vote for us. Vote for us or you're a NAZI.

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>>55048484
Yes, they are the perfect race with no flaws you sexist shitlord.

>>55046753
What's wrong with the demon one?

>>55048571
>Mary Sues in the canon setting
>great stats
>highly erotic herms and traps
Did they get /pfg/ to write the core book?

>>55048532
*White males cannot be professional victims.

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>>55048545

It's an anagram.

>>55048547

I think you need to lurk more before you post.

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>>55048438
I mean, I'm the DM, If I don't like it I will literally just change it anyway. I already did it when I ran Curse of Strahd. I generally don't go into sex anyway, but by God my games will exist in fantasy universes where Homosexuals took the path they're intended to and became cloistered celibates devoted to their God. If some homo wants to make his setting rainbow colored and doused in glitter, he can do it too. Sort of the power we get when we DM.

>>55048571
How did they make a race worse than Kender?

>>55047432
I don't. What is is?

>>55046364
Why does everything have to be political?

>>55046364
>inserting your own opinions on irrelevant topics in hobbies you dont care about

everyone who does this should kill themselves. table top games have nothing to do with the identity of the person who is playing.
How would people who manage any system actually have the ability to make a game "more queer?" paizo only uses feminine pronouns for all characters an says that all kobolds can change gender. but what, its not like videogames where they decide to make characters gay, that is all up to the dm.

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There is no live or let live with the sick fucks. Shit covered dicks in the barracks, in the Scouts, on the altar, in the streets, in public school sex ed, and in every public and private venue whatsofuckingever. Wrinkle your nose and say no thanks and you're a NAZI.

I'm starting to hate the sick boy-molesting fucks again. I didn't for a long time, but the one queer friend I had is dead of his own indulgence. Which makes it easier. Let the backlash come and let it rip their fucking heads off.

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>>55048607
I think they did.

>>55048607

Have you ever noticed that every board has one general of unlikable fags?

/k/ has /arg/, /tg/ has /pfg/, /pol/ has /sg/...

>>55048484
>not knowing about Manbots and Fembots

>>55048628
>How did they make a race worse than Kender?
By making them Elf-Kenders... IN SPACE!

How long has the word 'queer' not been an offensive slur?

>>55048571

I like the way they're framed as embodying humanoid ideals of beauty and social grace and then also framed as being prejudiced against the ugly utilitarian bug-races. You could have fun with that.

>>55047923
Underrated post.

>>55048645

Because nerd culture is full of disaffected smart people who tend to be politically active and are attractive to activists. Also because we live in a turbulent time and the WRITERS feel the need to virtue signal.

>>55048657
The thing I've noticed is that the generals with the biggest social media presence are the worst. /pfg/ has a lot of forced Discord memes and "e-celebrities" that kind of defeat the purpose of an anonymous imageboard.

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>>55048675
It's like black people calling each other niggers. Faggots can talk about how queer they are and about how they're going to queer America or queer this or that. Soon as you do, you're a NAZI. A literal NAZI. Didn't you get the memo?

More reminders of what the insidious fucking bastards are trying to normalize.

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>>55048680
I never thought of it that way, in fact the shirren are the true bros of the setting.

>>55048142

What is this from? the illusionist bit makes me think 1st edition, but I didn't think psionics were a thing back then.

>>55048767
Psionics have been around since AD&D 1st ed.

>>55048628

My setting is full of explicit sexism and homophobia and shit, that way if someone wants to play a lesbian feminist hero and fight oppression they get to do so (and it will probably get them killed but that's what makes it heroic).

Paizo seems to have gone in the opposite direction with their settings, there are gays and nobody is ever mean to them. Its nice to see a setting where those issues are at least visible, but still, that sounds boring to me. If I want to play a gay guy in a heroic fantasy setting its because I want to be fictionally oppressed so I can SHINE ON in spite of it and have that fantasy.

If I wanted to play a gay character and have everyone be nice to me, like, I probably wouldn't be playing D&D, I'd be playing Blue Rose or something. In D&D everything is supposed to hate you, the floor hates you, the walls hate you, the ceiling hates you, the treasure chest hates you, that's D&D.

>>55048764
Dont forget they get literal pleasure from making choices. There are shirren "drug" addicts that are literally just bug people who sit around all day making meaningless choices and blissing out on them.

They also love freedom and explosions and are basically friendly americans in space with chitin for skin.

>>55048748
that's what people used to fight when they screamed about sexualization of kids no? I feel unconfortable.

>>55048726
Why can't they just have fun?

>>55046364
Well d&d is already gay so......

>>55048278
California pays more in taxes than it receives, albeit at a narrow margin.

>We are responsible for all of the food you eat
Californians are responsible for most of that aside from beef and corn.
>and the water you drink
No, that shit is locally sourced in every state.

>and own all the guns
California actually has a pretty decent gun ownership rate, despite the restrictions.

>water piped in so they can farm in the desert
Only applies to the south. The Claifornian luxuries like onions and tomatoes that occupy the valley get their water from the snowfall on the sierras, supplemented by aquifer water in times of drought.

>It's an industry that could be done cheaper in surrounding states
If it could be, it would be. Because California produces "luxury" food, it isn't subject to a lot of the federal subsidies that apply to the middle-American corn field.

>Their wealth comes from Silicon Valley
Silicon valley includes LA and Sacramento now?

>the average citizen is extremely poor
You're thinking of the average Mexican. The actual white Californians, some city scum aside, are decently well-off.

>don't pretend like you didn't see the panic the moment Papa Fed threatened their money stream.
You've misinterpreted something. There was a moral panic, but the people in California are not really impacted by Trump cutbacks to Obama policies (if Trump were to ever become competent enough to ever do any of the things he said he would) because California already had plenty local socialism funded by state taxes. Federal funds are only used for shit like roads and schools, which the state government loves to cut anyway.

>>55048655
>change skin tone
>change hair texture
>change facial bone structure
>change full body bone structure
>still recognizable

I understand they wanted a technomagical trans-b-gone potion, but I don't think they really though tout the repercussions of making something like this reasonably available.

>>55048806

1st edition was before my time.

Which edition did Dark Sun first appear? I remember seeing psionic wild talents mentioned in a lot of old books.

>>55048891

It doesn't say you're automatically recognizable. It just says you need to roll a disguise check, the same way you would if you were using props and makeup to alter your features.

(This item should probably be granting a bonus to disguise but whatever)

>>55048853
We're raising Generation Twink so the 3.6% of the population that doesn't know what to do with their sexual equipment can feel good about themselves and extra fuckbuddies.

>>55048871
This *is* fun, for them. This is their psychopathic diseased shit-covered hobby. Go to the CDC web site sometime and look at the public health stats for faggots. 75% of all cases of syphilis and AIDS, 43% of all child molestations, shit like that. This is what they've succeeded in camouflaging. Go read the testimony of Moira Greyland while you're at it -- Marion Zimmer Bradley's daughter.

>>55048899
No idea. I only vaguely remember Dark Sun and was never interested.

>>55048931
>This *is* fun, for them.
senpai, I'm a bisexual myself. I don't see the appeal in them trying to put in personal politics into what's meant to be a toolkit for DMs to do whatever they want with, or into settings that are mostly medieval fantasy.

>>55048943
Uh huh. How old were you when you got molested?

>>55048812
Most normal RPG designers:
>"We're more concerned about how the world works, the interactions between kingdoms, and the monsters. We'll just put a cliff-note saying sexuality and race don't really matter and let the GM do whatever it is they want with the setting"

Paizo:
>"Ok guys, nice job in desiging the new all-gay druid tribe for our new sourcebook, but something tells me it's not inclusive enough... I know! How about we also make the god gay and remind everyone about how they're all either gay or bisexual every other page. It'll be great because then we can introduce the leader of the tribe: a trans woman who became a druid because she's otherkin, her druid form is a deer because that's her kin type. We'll write up a backstory of how she was super oppressed and no one respected her pronouns, but when she drank a serum of sex change she became super hot and showed them haters. God, it feels so good to be progressive"

>>55048142
>"he"

>>55048680

Anyone who's a PERFECT WARRIOR, GENIUS DIPLOMAT, and ENLIGHTENED SCHOLAR deserves a curb-stomping as a civilization. Like the Crane in L5R, although the Unicorn are being primed for that role post-reboot while the Crane will get the shaft for being traditionalists during a culture war.

>>55048748
This from the noted lover of trap porn.

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>>55048943

>>55048962
Unless it's suppressed deeper than the Mariana Trench, I never have been.

>>55048812

This is why I have a weird love for Forgotten Realms, all of that implied gay shit that gets brutally shoved under the rug by apocalypses and amoral wizard overlords. Your last line sums up DnD perfectly, by the way.

>>55049002
You're lying and you know it. So do I. I worked in Silicon Valley for a good many years and every faggot I knew long enough -- and most do occasionally fuck women -- told me they got fucked up the butt when they were small. Babysitter seemed to be the most common culprit.

>>55048052
>reddit spacing
Take your nu-meme somewheres else. I was double-spacing before Reddit existed.

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>>55046364

one of my PC's is gay and part of a really fucking bizzarre love triangle thats slowly but surely subsuming my party.

we've got

homosexual paladin of conquest (oh fuck)

heterosexual path of the bear minotaur (played by the paladins girlfriend)

and a heterosexual loremaster wizard.

it originally started as a bit of flavor text but now the loremasters hitting on the paladin and the paladins lusting after the minotaur and the minotaurs apparently made out of the same stuff they make harem protagonists out of considering the native con 18 bullshit and I'm constantly at war with keeping the party on track and preventing it from turning into a full on ERP for the poor ranger who's trying to do fighting stuff.

moral of the story, party romance is funky

>>55048943

There are people who want to force their personal position into everything (because that's what it is, some people think whites are better than blacks and they get offended by blacks in power, some people think women are better than men and they get offended by men in positions of power, some people are offended by gays and cry about the INSIDUOUS LEFT every time they see a gay character in a movie. You can't even call that "politics" because they're no ETHOS behind it, no ethic, no bigger ideas about how the world should work, it's just base stupid tribalism).

And then there are dudes who just want to post asses all day on facebook, and they aren't judging, they just like what they like.

And then there are people who like seeing queers and women do awesome things in fiction, they aren't saying male heroes are bad in any way, they just like what they like.

But both sides have a minority of assholes, who not only give a spotlight to the assholes on the other side, but portray the entire other side as assholes. Then things get tribal, and its stupid, because most people have an ethic of fair treatment which is actually compatible with most other people's ethics of fair treatment. We would agree a lot more if we let ourselves.

>>55049037
That's all quite true.

There is also such a thing as normalcy. There are not multiple kinds of normal. Wanting to shove your cock up another man's ass and get human shit all over yourself and put fluids and microorganisms where they absolutely do not belong so he has to have an enema afterwards is not. Fucking. NORMAL. No amount of Orwellian agitprop will change this.

>>55046364
>Implying the game wasn't already gay

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>>55046364
Considering that D&D is a game primarily about disemboweling evil monsters and people and taking their stuff I don't really understand why this is necessary. I've never been in or run a game where even heterosexual relationships (if they even existed) were anything more than an afterthought.

Players don't have sex because no one else at the table wants to hear about your fictional character's sex life.

NPCs only have on-stage spouses when the plot demands it.

I mean, I guess if you want to go out of your way to make your campaign a fucking gay pride parade or something because lolfantasy, sure whatever. But why would the maker of the game assume that such a thing is definitely how the default setting should be presented?

>>55049058
Lel, keep crying. It's getting me off.

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>>55049080
Because faggots want everything to be default faggotry. They have no stopping point and no reverse gear.

I'm going to keep posting pics so you can understand what we're talking about here.

>>55049037
No! I need someone to be wrong in order to justify my opinion, because anyone who doesn't share my exact opinion is either uninformed of the facts or mentally damaged.
Now, which side you think I was strawmanning?

>>55048891
You can buy a serum that completely changes your appearance to more or less anything you want within what is considered normal for your race for 75 credits (PCs start with 1000).

>>55049058
Nobody complained when the Romans did it.

>>55049128
I mean, high level sci fi, so that's hardly the weirdest thing.

Makes me wonder why that one symmmetrical race is considered so attractive though. If everyone can look like whatever they want, then physical beauty becomes meaningless.

Actually, that's neat concept. Too bad they didn't explore it.

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>>55049058
>Wanting to shove your cock up another man's ass and get human shit all over yourself and put fluids and microorganisms where they absolutely do not belong so he has to have an enema afterwards is not. Fucking. NORMAL.
Depends on which normal you're talking about

>>55049153
Some people thought that the Roman aristocracy was degenerate for doing it. Homosexuality was also used as an insult by some comedic poets.

>>55046364
Ambivilent.

Because I'm not a child.

>>55048931
I love how you discount emotionally-charged bullshit unless it happens to align with your beliefs.

I mean, I used a gay vampire pedophile as a villain in one of my campaigns. Party went to rescue the son of someone important and the kid was basically living in luxury.
Obviously they still did their best to kill the vampire and get the kid home.
Mind you I implied pedophile and had the villagers be angry about it so they were expecting like a child and he was closer to 14 and one character found out the kid ran away TO the vampire specifically himself.
I like to put little details like that in my games.
I don't think I've actually used gays in my game often, unless it's relevant information to the quest it doesn't really come up. There was a pair of dudes running a shop together that the party assumed was gay but they were just really good friends with some funny bromance moments.
I also fucked with the normal half-orc thing, in one town there was a butcher, he said the meat was all freshly caught by his son, who was a half orc. They met his mother, who, as a result of orcs ageing faster than humans was old as fuck by this point. The father, the butcher, said he remembers fondly how he wrestled his wife and won her from the wilds. The orc woman said he was some crazy rapist who kidnapped her but she was getting old anyway so she was honestly just living in his house and raising her halfbreed son until she dies, she said this in common. The human laughed and said, "I have no idea what she says, I don't speak orcish."
I do these things because I think they're funny.

>>55049174
>>55049153
Guys, stop baiting the poor tripfag, you know he can't stop himself from replying.

>>55049164
>Makes me wonder why that one symmmetrical race is considered so attractive though

They're not only physically beautiful, they've got that exotic edge a human figure simply can't compete against - plus their latent psychic abilities mean they can play with your emotions, even subconsciously.

There's always a little bit of homo-eroticism involved in RPGs.

>>55049115
You can't straw-man at all, because you obviously don't comprehend the facts of the situation. If you did, you'd be on OUR side and realize that THEY are the problem that needs to be eradicated.

>>55048968

Haha, that's about right.

I'm not even hating, most fantasy settings include the same level of gratuitous wish fulfillment, that one just isn't my fantasy.

I will call you on one thing, though: "remind everyone about hwo they're all either gay or bisexual every other page". No, anon. Paizo drops references to these things here and there, and then people on /tg/ gobble those references up and repost them pedantically and act like the whole setting is about gender politics. Golarion isn't about gender politics and /tg/ is pretty ridiculous when they portray it that way.

There's a broader issue here of course, "Gays are everywhere and they're always shoving it in my face!", this is something that people say when gays make them uncomfortable and they won't admit it. No one is shoving it in your face, unless you're one of the people who attends pride parades just so you can be offended. But that's a general statement about my culture, I don't know who you are or what your views are, I just know that Paizo isn't overbearing with their gender politics. Their gender politics are real and explicit, but they aren't pervasive, it isn't every-other-page the way that /tg/ pretends.

Still hoping this fad goes away soon

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>>55049153
Show me the source material that says this was a common practice outside rich urban perverts, then as now.

>>55049197
I'm in a bad mood. I admit it. *This* is the first shit I see when I visit this board for the first time in months? The fuck is next? Faggot Jedi?

>>55049213
Get used to disappointment. Especially if you live on the Left Coast.

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>>55049058
>there is also such a thing as normalcy

lmao

>>55049207
C'mon buddy, I know you feel strongly about faggots, but it's pretty much over. People who want to eradicate gays are a minority of a minority at this point.

>>55049153
Caesar was literally mocked for it during his triumph for Gaul.

>>55049235
It's okay, the people on this board love to bait autists. You should probably just go back to whichever board/site you prefer to frequent.

>>55049259
.... but i want to eradicate the cishet white men, i thought that was assumed...

>>55049261
Source material on that. Not homoerotic bullshit made up out of whole cloth in the Sixties or afterwards.

>>55049235
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/10/entertainment/feat-star-wars-gay-character/index.html

lol

>>55049261
Was he "mocked for doing it"? Or was he mocked for being forced to take it up the ass after his legion got the shit kicked out of it? Would he have been mocked if he had been victorious and was the top instead of the bottom?

>>55049292
assuming that's not bait (it is) you're a minority of a majority then. Not much better, and no more representative of your political affiliation.

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>>55048764
Why is everyone in this book perfect and nice and why does everyone get along

>>55049326
>Would he have been mocked if he had been victorious and was the top instead of the bottom?
no, that wasn't seen as loathsome

>>55047664
Because elves were intended to be a two sex species like all the other core races?

>>55049235
Phil, until WA tells me that I can make out with the 14-year old girl I love without legal ramifications, how's about you shut your stupid fucking dumb maoth and take your ass back to /k/ where they can laugh at you there?

Talk to me about degeneracy... dumb nigger, if this country were as "degenerate" as you claim, why the fuck am I having such a hard time?

>>55049339
Yeah, my understanding was that it wasn't a man fucking a man that was shameful, it was a man being a woman.

>>55049115

Oh, the conservatives, without a doubt. I'm the guy you're responding to and I'll actually answer the question without hesitation. The best and most reasonable conservatives I've ever met could hold a decent conversation with a middle-of-the-pac liberal (the liberals who don't talk about politics a lot and so have deep flaws in their belief systems, they're probably prejudiced against men and whites without even realizing it, just like the smartest and most reasonable conservatives are probably prejudiced against poor people and people from different cultures without even realizing it). The bottom half of conservatives has no equivalent on the liberal side.

Nevertheless, when you get down to brass tacks, both sides have some real shitheads. Conservatives have a lot more, but they both have them.

>>55049335
>Why is everyone in this book perfect and nice and why does everyone get along

They're hammering in the idea that people aren't divided by racial lines. You can still have evil Shirren or goodly Vesk, it's down to how the individual behaves more than their race.

Except for the Elves, who have become isolationist doomsday preppers in the setting.

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>>55049365
>Conservatives have a lot more

>>55049194

Have you ever hurt one of your player's butts?

>>55049351
I hope her parents kill you.

>>55049379
Aren't elves perfect people tho?

>>55049392
You would. You'd probably align right up with her grandmother, the fucking cunt who spends her time calling her a "little slut" and making her think she's trash.

>>55049392

Hey I remember you from back in the day. Decade ago? Something like that. Just started coming back to this site after an extended hiatus. I remember hating you, but you seem pretty cool now. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

>>55049379
Considering the elves only have information saying they were betrayed but not by whom, they are now that way. I mean, you'd do the same thing if you woke up with very little memory of a certain period but are certain some asshole fucked up your shit and were supposedly a friend.

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>>55049379
Racism, sexism and racial divides are a CORE ASPECT of both fantasy and rpgs and no one is going to change that in my god damn lifetime

>>55046364

But why?

>>55049383

But anon, the worst conservatives literally and explicitly do all of the things that haters accuse liberals of doing. You can find a pissed-off tumblrinna and dissect all her posts and explain to her that she is being unfair to some races and genders, sure, but then you look on the right and its super easy to find people telling you in plain English that you deserve death or slavery because of your race or gender.

lol, I'm sorry, this is silly, we are on /tg/ and I shouldn't have replied, everyone carry on.

>>55049261
Suetonius

>>55049326
Caesar was sent to raise a fleet using Bithynia's resources, but he dallied so long with the King that a rumor of a homosexual relationship surfaced, leading to the disparaging title for Caesar, "the Queen of Bithynia", an allegation which Caesar's political enemies made use of later in his life. A popular quip at the time ran: "Gallias Caesar subegit, Caesarem Nicomedes, (Ceasar laid the Gauls low, Nicomedes laid Ceasar low), suggesting that Ceasar was the submissive one in the relationship. [5]

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HAHAHAHAHA DUNGEONS AND SHIT BTFO 40K FOREVER FAGGOTS

>>55049339
>>55049363

This. The romans didn't care about gender, they cared about power.

Performing oral on a woman made you a faggot. That's how they saw things, they didn't actually care about hetero-vs-homo, they cared about pitcher-vs-catcher.

>>55049397
The setting suffered from the most cliche of author devices; universal amnesia that erased almost thousands of years of history from not only the minds of people, but their history itself. Elves took this hard, not only did 300+ year old people forget almost everything they had ever done, but the entire race was planted with an additional message, one nobody else had received.

>During the Gap, another race had betrayed you, and they will do it again

The amnesia made them terrified, but the message made them extremely paranoid. Nowadays, the Elves hide on their homeworld, only venturing out to supply pirates and corsairs with weapons to enact daring assaults on the Drow homeworld while going about business wearing eerie masks.

>>55049440
You deserve death and slavery for your shit opinion.

>>55049479
>they didn't actually care about hetero-vs-homo

They actually did, a man who preferred the company of other men was a faggot, even if he's the dominant one.

>>55049485
>t. necromancer

>>55046364
>This character is gay
>DM "no he isn't"

I do it all the time with races I don't like.

>X is a tiefling
>You meet a tall human woman

>>55049464
Fuck GW for murdering WFB. Fuck them in the ear.

>>55049479
Horseshit. You're not even trying now.

>>55049379
>>55049425

Guys, keep in mind that the setting is crawling with alien/monster races which will be designed to make good antagonists.

Your core races aren't SUPPOSED to be natural enemies. In this kind of setting you are supposed to have a core group of more-or-less-mutually-friendly races that players can all choose from to create a party. So for that you want a small group of races or peoples who disagree enough to be interesting but still get along well enough to work together.

>>55049440
> but then you look on the right and its super easy to find people telling you in plain English that you deserve death or slavery because of your race or gender.

That's literal bullshit. You seem to think that radical fringe elements, of which there are few on either side, somehow speak for the majority. Sure, we can go to /pol/ and some tumblr blog about radical anarcho-marxisim and cherry pick examples all day, but the vast majority of political discourse in the world is passive aggressive at worst.

>>55047339
/tg/ is probably one of the tamest boards, politically speaking. It's one of the only ones left without constant baiting.

>>55049480
And the elves just accepted that a magical message thing said to them one of their friends will betray them?

>>55049494
>didn't realise I'd replaced or with and with my response
Actually fuck it, it works, he deserves to be a mindless corpse that does chores until his body breaks down and the necromancer throws him out.

>>55049540
I bet the Dwarves did this.

>>55049532
Anon will provide screencaps or news articles any day now.

>>55048471
Joke's on you, I don't even have a blog, you reactionary fag.

>>55049211
I guess it's just because I'm actually gay, and I hate it when shit like this tries to pander to the LGBT crowd.

Mostly because I've seen so many other games (including video games) be a lot more tasteful in that regard, but tons of people at Paizo (though multiple panels and staff interviews) have said that they deliberately include LGBT stuff just for the sake of it. It feels so distasteful and trivial.

>>55049425
1. This is a sci-fi setting, which tend to be much more tolerant than fantasy settings as a whole.

2. Racism doesn't work well in a game centered around a group of adventurers that likely consist of 3-4 different races traveling together. Besides, there's still room for friendly rivalry between the races, such as the vesk who used to be at war with the other races until very recently.

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>>55049540
>And the elves just accepted that a magical message thing said to them one of their friends will betray them?

See pic.

>>55049491

Okay, my bad, they were a bunch of catty bitches and they really cared about every aspect of your personal life.

I should have said that they cared about pitcher-vs-catcher MUCH MORE than they cared about gender. I can't say they didn't care about gender. But going down on a woman really did make you a faggot and fucking a young boy's asshole really didn't. That's how they say things, it was mainly about power.

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>mfw it just means metaplot characters might be gay and no one cares
Are we this easily baited?

>>55048644
The example that comes immediately to mind is Cheery Littlebottom from Discworld, but I'm sure that plot device has been used in other places as well.

>>55049568
Okay, how old were *you* when you got fucked up the butt?

/makes popcorn

>>55049571
Sci fi is just fantasy with technology and space instead of medieval shit you know what I meant

>>55047345
What kind of middle school did you go to where people were asking that sort of thing?

>>55046753
>Mpreg as cannon
There are no words for the disgust I feel right now.

>>55049612
Do you even play that?

>>55047493
Are you actually upset about generic character art depicting a black person? Black people exist in real life.

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>>55049602
Never, because I'm a normal human and not a flamboyant gay stereotype that has to remind everyone of my sexuality every minute.

>>55048532
Unless they're gay, but only if they have a problem with heterosexual White men or Christian Heterosexual women.

>>55049532

I'm saying that middle-of-the-pack conservatives are about as reasonable and fair-minded as the worst liberals you can find. The entire bottom half of the conservative movement has no equivalent on the liberal side.

If you see a liberal casually implying that white people don't have problems, you call them an extremist. If you see a conservative casually implying that black people don't have problems, that's just a regular guy to you, because "extremist" means something completely different when you're talking about conservatives, and somehow everyone has gotten used to that.

Conservatives in my country are much, much, much better at propaganda. Liberals try but they aren't on the same level. The Republicans have spent the last 50 years using scientifically-sound techniques to brainwash you. The Democrats have spent the last 50 years trying to get you to give a shit about pollution and poverty. They aren't the same.

>>55049662
omfg this bait is so good - how many years did you train great master?

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>>55049662
>The Republicans have spent the last 50 years using scientifically-sound techniques to brainwash you. The Democrats have spent the last 50 years trying to get you to give a shit about pollution and poverty. They aren't the same.

>>55049662
The bottom half of the conservative movement wanst to lynch niggers. The bottom half of the liberal movement wants to castrate all men, but specifically white men.

One of these solutions would reduce crime, though both are equally fucking inhumane and ridiculous.

>>55049638
It's not your 'sexuality'. It's your developmental disability. And you're probably lying.

>>55049662
>. The Republicans have spent the last 50 years using scientifically-sound techniques to brainwash you. The Democrats have spent the last 50 years trying to get you to give a shit about pollution and poverty.
That's called 'projecting.' Liberals have created a society where it's okay to chop a healthy boy's cock and balls off and send him to school in a dress, and not only hush all opposition, but get the little creature state and Federal subsidies for his hormone 'therapy.' Think about the agitprop it takes to accomplish that, at every level, in every sphere.

>>55049699
>>55049703
No, this is how half of the country thinks.

>>55047235
Most studies put it closer to 5-10%.

>>55049703
What ever happened to her anyway? I can barely fap to kids react any more.

>>55048219
>>55048259

As far as the Electoral College is concerned, one Californian is 1/10th of one Wyomingite.

>>55049568

Really? They made a conscious effort to include gays, and they are perfectly honest about it, and THATS what you take issue with? I respect the shit out of Paizo for that, even when I don't actually like the end result.

Someone could say, "Hey, yea, we aren't saying we hate women, but this is an Eighties Metal Album Setting, every women in this setting is going to be busty and helpless and underdressed, that's just our jam". I wouldn't like that setting at all (and I do overall like Golarion) but I would have the same respect for the designers. I respect when people do what they like and they're honest about it.

>>55049717
>you're probably lying
Phil's response to anything that doesn't align with his viewpoint, everybody.

>>55049724
>What ever happened to her anyway?

What happens to any moderately attractive blonde white girl? She's probably had a black man's child and is happily married to a dweeb that can take care of it.

>>55049721
It always depend what are you counting and if you include bisexual individuals.

>>55049211
It is being pushed heavily. We've had gay pride banners put up in our workplace for months now. No one dares to take them down or touch them because no one wants to be fired for being homophobic.

>>55049721
>>55049764
The honest ones have it around 3.6% of the general population.

>>55049259
Actually they're a majority of the people on this planet.

>>55049748
Speaking from personal experience, are you?

>>55049740
so if i murder someone and was like to the cops "eh I just wanted to do it, it seemed like fun" you would be cool with that and respect me?

>>55049779
God dammit I dated that girl in High School!

>>55049771
That's pathetic. Please tell me this is in a large coastal city.

>>55047639
>this is in the rulebook we use for our campaign
>my DM said that EVERYTHING in the book is allowed
Oh boy. Ooooh boy.

>>55049740
>Really? They made a conscious effort to include gays

But people already play whatever degeneracy they want. If a bloke wants to play a furry dragonkin that lets him molest monsters he'll find a game to do that.

If someone wants to play a flamboyantly gay character they'll do it.

Saying we're going to include gays changes absolutely nothing since wotc have no power over what happens at a table. Its a hollow statement for virtue signalling.

>>55048177
If you guys think you should control the entire union, then I really hope you DO leave.

>>55047235
>Because 35% of the population is gay

And over 90% of all "trannies" in school change their mind after finishing puberty.

That is if they're allowed to survive puberty without surgery/serious drugs/brainwashing therapy.

>>55049717
>It's your developmental disability. And you're probably lying.

So did you get your degree in armchair psychology by using photoshop and a printer? Or did you order it online?

>>55049740
I like it when gays are not singled out imediately, or when it's presented in a better way I guess.

Like; there's this scene in Witcher 3 where you help a guy look for his lost friend, and it's revealed later that they were lovers. It's one of the few times I remember an NPC character who was given an interesting personality before the question of his sexuality came up. I don't like it when it's just inserted immediately with no buildup or logical introduction, it's like we're supposed to give a standing ovation because 'being gay' is somehow top quality writing, and that you don't actually have to make an interesting character with quirks and flaws as long as they're queer.

>>55049716

Show me a real life organization holding the position that all men should be castrated. 10 people or more, with actual names attached so you know it isn't a troll account, that's all I'm asking for.

White supremacy is a real movement. They actually terrorize and kill people. This isn't a few angry people on the internet.

People want to physically attack transpeople for shitting on the wrong shitter. That isn't a few angry guys on the internet, its real, "If you follow my wife into the bathroom I'll kick your ass you pervert".

People thing that women shouldn't be able to vote and should have their rights rolled back. I don't just mean people on /b/, I mean people who own businesses and run them accordingly.

Islamophobia, jesus, don't get me started. Look, Islam is ALSO real and its a shitty religion, I know this, but American Islamophobes are slack-jawed idiot, they don't even know what they're mad about, they just want to bully someone.

The worst liberals you're going to find in the real world are the college campus thought-police. "Trump hats are hate-speech", "you're oppressing me with your opinion", "I was raped and he wasn't even though he was just as drunk as I was", I HATE this shit, I hate dishonest liberals so much more deeply and fiercely than I could ever hate a conservative, but it isn't because they actually deserve it, its because they hold the moral high ground and I think they need to act like it. You can't even compare them to conservatives.

>>55046753
The Demon one should be removed, that's completely logical.

The zher shit wouldn't be so bad if it didn't descend into a catty rant at the end, clearly intended to snipe at whoever is reading. There's no real problem with having characters that use these dumb pronouns.

Was that second one written by the guy in a dress that works at Onyx Path?

>>55049859
Like I said, I worked (and played plenty of RPG's) in Silicon Valley for many many years. I know the 'gay community' very well. I know about the lover's quarrels, I know about the diseases and the treatments, I know about the twinks. And I'm through being polite to the sick fucking bastards.

>>55049869
>People want to physically attack transpeople
You mean gelded men who want to cosplay as chicks so they can fuck other perverts using their urinary tract as a fake vagina. Let's use the proper names for things, please.

>"If you follow my wife into the bathroom I'll kick your ass you pervert".
Well, yes. Absolutely. Problem?

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>>55049869
>Average /r/socialism poster

Stop watching CNN kid.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1z9MdCiO-0Dlomd1MaOxv7aOZJabobYTPD7wyYXdq0OA/viewanalytics

>>55049901
Assaulting people is illegal tripfag,

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>>55049869
>Islamophobia, jesus, don't get me started.
Missed that one. Take a good long look at this and tell me how not wanting these clit-cutting throat slitting fascist cocksuckers in my country or my neighborhood is a 'phobia.'

>>55049859
>that you don't actually have to make an interesting character with quirks and flaws as long as they're queer.
I think the problem is that this is a reasonable opinion to hold on Gays In The Media but then there are people who interpret it as "gay representation in the media sucks" because of course there is no such thing as nuance anymore.

>>55049785

No, anon, I'm talking about fantasy. You can fantasize about murdering people all day, that's a very popular genre of videogame. I don't think young kids should be playing those games but besides that I don't judge.

>>55049839

If that's how you feel then you shouldn't care. You shouldn't be saying that and then expecting all the named characters in the setting to be straight.

>>55049859

But in the real world, if someone has a lover or a husband/wife, that actually is one of the first things you'll find out about them.

Lets say the party is meeting the king and the queen. Boom. Just like that, before you even know their names, you know that they are straight (or presenting as such). Do you find that distasteful?

>>55049662
I would call both an idiot, and that's literally not what I mean or what you indicated earlier by 'extremist', you used the phrase " people telling you in plain English that you deserve death or slavery because of your race or gender.", but then try to swerve into something totally different because you where called out on it.

And before you get uppity, the extremes of both sides would put me up against a wall and shoot me and the regular parts of both sides just generally dislike me. My religion keeps me from safely or comfortably fitting into the current Left-Right dynamic. I find American conservatism's lack of regard for the poor and underrepresented to be disgusting and evil, and I find modern liberalism's designs on social norms to be disgusting and evil.

>>55049869
And for each of those there is a left oriented organization. In parts of Europe you have radical left-oriented feminists assaulting priests, you have violent anti-fa movements shutting down opposition with physical harm, you have communist leaning organizations that instigate political violence, and legitimate anti-clerical movements equivalent to American Islamophobia in the United States, Mexico, Venezuela, and Europe. These are the two sides of the same coin, the only difference is you're so stuck up your own ass that you somehow think one is better than the other because your side still has to be the good guys.

>>55049901
Yeah, there we go. Living proof of that guy's point.

>>55049960
>If that's how you feel then you shouldn't care. You shouldn't be saying that and then expecting all the named characters in the setting to be straight.

No just because people can find those games doesn't mean my table is like that.

Its a wide world, people can do whatever they want and I'll keep on making all my npcs straight white humans.

>>55049869
>LIBERALS AND LEFTIST DINDU NUFFIN
The biggest criminal organization of my country came to be from a Communist group. Not to be confused with the supposed "resistence fighters" who commited robbery and murder in the name of their own branch of authoritarianism.
As well, Antifa is showing signs that they're a radical anarcocommunist group.
And they're not the only ones, there are many cells of communist groups around the US, they're just disorganized. Much like the Nazis.
There are black supremacist groups, such as the NoI. But you don't recognize those.
The latinos also have supremacist groups, la raza shit and so on. Also, nice to meetcha I'm a latino by the way!
Radfems, a term used by feminists themselves, do exist, and they're spread among other left leaning groups.
Since we're recognizing that Nazis somehow represent the right, you should recognize that Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS, and so many others represent Islam.

Since we're on a pissing contest of idiocy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups#Organizations_currently_officially_designated_as_terrorist_by_various_governments
Check the ones recognized by the US. Or the ones recognized by the EU.
Count the crescents, black flags with arabic characteres, and Red Stars or Hammer and Sickles.

Oh sorry. I forgot, the Nazis are invading.

>>55049379
Except for white human men, who are apparently all evil. Someone actually did a tally.

>>55050003
Sounds like you have a hard time being a white man, who oppressed you today?

>>55049983
/shrug

Sorry. I feel a normal man's protective instincts towards my female kin. Maybe, if you're not a faggot and you eventually have children, you'll understand.

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>>55050003
>Someone actually did a tally.
What kind of tally? The amount of art featuring a white human guy, the amount of antagonists who are white human guys, how many times white human guys are mentioned, what exactly?

>>55050002
And before this guy goes
"The so called guerrillas and criminals must've been poor third worlders".

No.
They were well educated, soviet funded, middle class people. Mostly white as well considering their economical priviledge.
oh but then we can pretend the ruskies dindu nuffin
and maybe we can pretend the US wasn't doing the exact same shit just from the opposite end

>>55050033
>Literal White knighting
Disgusting

>>55048532
Nice bait

>>55050031
Maybe the guy who got lynched over a false rape accusation, because he only looked like the suspect.
Stop spreading your filth to us, you've already done enough American.

>>55049960
>But in the real world, if someone has a lover or a husband/wife, that actually is one of the first things you'll find out about them.

and in a fantasy game the first thing you find out a about someone is that there a drunkard in a tavern or evil and need to be killed. my point being that you can't use reality to justify things in fantasy.

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>>55048438
>“You don’t want a party where everyone’s the same,” he said, "unless, of course, everyone's wizards."
Fixed that for him.

>>55050031
>Sounds like you have a hard time being a white man, who oppressed you today?

https://twitter.com/nontolerantman/status/899993905751617536

>Number of murders committed by antifa at least 5
>Number of cars torched by antifa exponential
>Number of riots and looting committed by antifa uncountable

>Number of murders committed by "white supremacists": maybe one although debatable if he was fleeing antifa thugs

>>55050031
>Representing all members of a race as evil isn't bad because I don't like them
That's super racist of you, anon.

>>55050040
Art of white men.