Warhammer 40000 general /40kg/

Leman Russ sucks ass.

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Wish SoS didn't suck so much balls right now

Anyone found a mediocre way to make them work at least?

Thread reminder to ignore Guardfags

>>55029437
Understood. Pay more attention to guards

Magnus did everything wrong

>>55029429
no i failed 2

Do any fortifications have rules in 8th? I havent seen any.

>>55029445
I play guard AMA

Thread reminder to ignore people telling you to ignore Guardbros

>>55029437
What about chaos faggers with semi painted armies?

T'''''AU WHEN
>inb4 fucking weeaboos

>>55029445
lol

>>55029445
>>55029437
Who's you're favorite Guard poster, Anon? I think they're all so dreamy~

>>55029460
Have you tried not being autistic?

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>death guard
>september
the wait is killing me

>>55029460
aren't autocannons great

Adversary codex pairings would be cool

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>>55029458
Yes, and theyre bullshit.
Imperium 2 btw

>>55029476
fucking marxists

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reposting this shit from last night

How the fuck do you people actually start playing this game? A friend told me to look into playing so I've been reading the wiki and looking at models and watching videos and shit for the last 3 months and I still can't pick an army. I've only narrowed it down to like fucking 3.

How did you guys decide on what you wanted to play when you finally did and how long did it take you?

>>55029481
>being this rump roasted about people's choice of plastic army men
Have you?

ITT: post a pic of yourself and we try to guess your army

>>55029479
I like the one with a Valhalla army

>>55029507
What 3?

>>55029499
Are they in the rulebook or just in their respective boxes? I think I missed them

>>55029496
Autocannons are nice and all, but 7pt plasma guns are better when you wanna kill all the things.

How does this look? I might start using it as a baseline.

Night Lords 1000 (998)pts 4CP
>Outrider Detachment
>HQ
Sorcerer w/Force Staff, Death Hex and Warp Time
Tzeentch Prince w/Sword and Diabolic Strength

>Fast
Raptors x10 w/Melta x2, Combi-Melta, MoN and Icon of Despair
Raptors x10 w/Plasma Gun x2, Combi-Plasma
Warp Talons x10

I'm not sure if I want to mark the Talons or the other raptors yet. I don't have a crazy amount of CP to be super flexible like my 2k list.

>>55029541
>IMPERIUM 2
I don't know how much clearer he could've made that for you

>>55029541
Read.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Index-imperium-vol-2-eng-2017

>>55029542
I use a mix of plasma/ autocannons/ hot shot las guns and las cannons so i cant complain

>>55029579
>>55029591
Thanks!

>>55029540
Nurgle Daemons, AdMech, Emperor's Children

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Loyalist Space Marine, where are you?

>>55029429
Can someone post that comic but with the spurdo faces?

>>55029507
u wont decide, once you are in this state, you will pick all or be unhappy everytime u play against one army u didnt pick but had on the list.
prepare to get stuff from all three, even if its just your favorite kit or something. I hope alliance rules allow you to use it together

>>55029616
Its bed time, they can't post right now

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>>55029533

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>>55029447
Seething.

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>>55029637
fuck

>>55029507
I always liked ants and dinosaurs, so when I first set sight onto tyranids my first thought was: Neat!
Also the friends that got me into playing needed a bad guy

>>55029647
so much hair on the arm... space wolfs

>>55029645
No, it's the name of a Twitter account ho posted that. My mate PM'd me thinking it was my account (since I made the picture, well got somebody to do it for me). So I was wondering where he is.

>>55029479
I like the guardfag with the desert camoguardsmen and plasma russes
because I'm him

>>55029554
Warp talons just aren't good right now. Raptors are in a weird spot right now because they don't bring as much specialist firepower as terminators do now that combis don't run out of ammunition and don't have a good melee profile. Marks don't matter unless you are buying icons or using god specific powers and stratagems .

I have some tactical marines. From what I can tell, tactical marines aren't very good.

Is there any reason why I couldn't call them Sternguard or Company veterans? They're power armored marines with boltguns still right?

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>>55029542
Why not take 3 plasmas and an autocannon in your vet squad?

Gives them a nice all round BS+ threat and 5 cheap red shirts to soak wounds

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wew

Does anyone have spoilers from Shroud of Night

>>55029702
Sternguard are fancier and have different weapon options

Tacticals aren't terrible, you just have to commit with your heavy weapon choices and use them wisely

>>55029703
I agree

>>55029702
You can use them as such but maybe bling them up a bit?

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>>55029507
I was stuck between a ton of different armies when I started, let me think...
>Admech, Tau, Dark Eldar, Eldar, Chaos Space Marines, Tyranids
Most important factor that played into my decision were the troops and the Hq of the army. IMO, select an army only if even their basic troop model makes you excited to look at and paint and see on the table. Same goes for your HQ.
There is nothing more fulfilling for me to see on the table than about 30 or more Termagaunts being led to battle by my converted Swarmlord.


On the other hand, the way I got into my second army, GK, was rather unexpected. Up until that point, I really disliked marine aesthetics, thought they were too boxy and fat. Read through a GK codex at one point though, and for some reason, everything about the army clicked with me.
Another good tip I can give is one I used to start my GK, namely, I only bought a single model to see if I enjoy painting them and looking at them up close.
Finally, the SC!s are great for their value, but I'd personally recommend buying JUST a box of your favourite troop choice to start out with. No commanders, no fancy big extra models, just (usually?) 10 normal dudes. If you can get through painting that, then you'll enjoy the rest of the army as well.

>>55029663
Is that an ironic statement ? Looks like a teenager's first growth spurt of arm harm to me

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Blue Guard here.

Fellow Guard players, want to ruin your opponent's day? Get an Aegis Defense Line and Astropath. Put 50 conscripts behind the Aegis and then use the Psychic Barrier power. Finally, use the new strategem from the event to give your conscripts 2+ saves.

>>55029507
Murder space elves that murder fucked a god into existence. This meant they had to murder fuck more to avoid getting eaten.

How would I have picked anything else?

>>55029507
It's a tough one anon. My guess is they design things in order to never give an objectively best choice because every army has its downsides and ugly models / design choices. Look at Primaris, Intercessors and characters are awesome, Dreadnought is ok, Inceptors and Aggressors look like shit, Reivers are action-man tier retarded. Of course this is my opinion but I found it to hold for most of the factions I look at. I'll get some model I really like and want to spam them but I discover spamming is not really good so i feel forced to buy stuff I don't like. In the end you need to not care about this since most of the pleasure comes from collecting and painting stuff you like esthetically.
Another important thing is models quality and support from gw. SoB are appealing to a lot of players but are tough to collect since they have old models and high cost.
Also remember that choosing the army is not necessarily the first step. Try looking into subfactions/alternate color schemes and see if you can find something that interests you in particular. For example you may dislike Ultramarines but you may see other chapters with a color scheme which is particularly appealing to you. And so on.

>>55029663

Nope but you're going in the right direction. It's an imperial subfaction that's hairier than the others.

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>>55029533

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>>55029493
I know.

>>55029681
i also like that guardfag, his lemans look neat.

i am a less known and infrequent posting guardfag

>>55029703
Because the range difference on those 2 guns means the plasma will be out of range of anything the autocannon fires if they don't move, and moving to fire the plasma makes shooting the autocannon worse. Besides, it's better to just take 8 plasmas from 2 command teams with a commander and slap it in a valkyrie for tactical drops.

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>>55029507
If anyone wants to help a newfag out I'm trapped between
>Nurgle Daemons
>Emperor's Children
>AdMech

I understand Nurgle Daemons are probably going to get a slight buff with Death Guard releasing next month, and AdMech is in a rough spot but going to be more coherent once their Codex releases too; I'm only worried I'm going to be playing against a lot of DG and AdMech due to the hype.

Primarily going to playing with friends though, who play IG, Necron, and Tau around 1000-1500pts.

>>55029739
extra tip. for some armies there are super cheap snapfit boxes with like 3 marines or 5 guardsmen with lasguns.

>>55029728
>>55029737

Well I mean, veterans and sternguard have more decorations and stuff over the normal line space marine in comparison, but if I have no normal tacticals in my army to compare to...

I just wanted to add a couple space marines to my IG army, and wanted them to best version possible so to have a contrast between superhuman dudes and the normal human soldiers.

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>>55029533
Guess my army.

>>55029615

Well, you could play nurgle and emperor's children in the same army

Dark AdMech is supposedly coming so you would probably be able to lump them in eventually

>>55029769
Fat calves......let's see let's see....
Ultramarines!

>>55029712
>all these awesome melee weapons
>1 attack per model
>can't put it on the Sargent
Total waste of potential to be honest famam, il stick to beserkers.

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>>55029533

>>55029769
is that a cut on your lower leg?
if so, then my bet is on DE or SOB. DE because its obvious, SOB because you're fine with taking a beating over and over again.

>>55029818
Necrons.

>>55029818
dark eldar

>>55029798
If we're doing tactical plasma drops you can just do scions and skip the Valkyrie entirely.

Kitted out vets are decent since even if they move the autocannon is still BS4+, although they're decent mid field campers with moderate range

>>55029850

Damn, that angle really does make my calves look fat.

Nope. Nice try, I'm not a marine player.

>>55029810
I find it very hard not to grab one of those Guardsmen boxes every time I play. Especially when I want a drink/snack and the store has a $5 card minimum

>>55029818

Tau.

>>55029814
Yeah totally do sternguard or a deathwatch kill team then.

Find some extra bits and really kit out your tacticals, make them look experienced

>>55029765
mmh
Admech? Not hair, but enough cables to make it look like hair
IG not hair but balls of steel
Custodes/SoS have the most hair, i think
SoB have a standard "I'm married" haircut so they are out of the question
30k Emperors Children have goth hair, but prolly dun cout.

Hah i know. you have a lovingly converted beastman/ratling - Imperial Guard army. abhumans, scum that still serves.

>>55029429
Buy FW pistol arms for them and settle for the fact that at least your models look cool and you get to examine them up close as you remove them off the table.

>>55029862
>>55029864
Nothing close yet. What makes you think that?

>>55029861

Son of a bitch how? You lucky git, it is indeed one of those two.

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Do my old "Count as Neophytes" count for Guardfagging?

>>55029860
Orks

>>55029804
Nurgle daemons are getting a new model for AoS which is probably going to get rules for 40k. No new models in general so you should be safe buying them
The admech codex is coming soon but models should not change as it's one of the newest model lines.
New noise marines are coming too, so in case you decide for emperor's children you should wait a little bit before committing.

I like the Nurgle Daemons choice because I like Daemons in general since they are rarely fielded as a pure army, especially god-specific.
Also consider emperor's children should be easier to paint if you don't go for daemonic allies, Admech are full of tiny details and the models are not as large as a space marine.

>>55029935
nope

>>55029804
Emperor's children have great fun rule but no real models.

>>55029818
Space wolves, all the army/ex army dudes round here play them.

>>55029804
>Emperor's Children
No models, and it's a shame. They are cool.

Their iconic troop is a set of old conversion kits (not even one, but multiple per unit) build on top of an ancient kit.
So expensive and so old.

If you are okay with converting or don't mind go for FW kakophoni, go for it.

Otherwise, I don't recommend them.

>>55029853
Giving them a melee weapon or a second knife raises their attacks characteristic to 2, which the Champion already has.

>>55029533
>mfw a non-white posts and all the guesses will be shit like White Scars, Tau, Salamanders, or Crimson Fists

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>>55029804
well you can ally nurgle daemons with Emperors Children space marines.
Might not make that much sense fluffwise, but they all have the <Chaos> keyword and your models, your money. You should like them.

Plus there is a really funny looking herald on snail coming out for AoS. You need to find someone to pawn the stormcast to

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>>55029533

>>55029982
Salamanders. Because Irony.

>>55029698
Pretty sure he's going for a -ld bomb. Talons are there to prevent overwatch for raptors, raptors guarantee that the enemy is very low on ld. Then they need to make a few kills and laugh.

>>55029982
genestealer cult

>>55029982
Salamanders
GSC
IG
Solar Auxilia

>>55029955
Hahahaha, I'm actually F-4, can't join the army because one of my ears is busted.

>>55029554
That's a pretty bad loadout on a prince. Not that you need one for 1000 points. I'd drop it in favour of a lord. And terminators. And plasmas. And more MCU for more -ld buffs. Absolutely no reason to keep talons in a blob and not in two 5-man units.

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>>55029818
Brosef, you're very brave for actually doing it I stead of just posting a hairy leg. I'll honor you by doing the same

>what's your army boipuccis
>post selfies and guess army

Can you guys not. These kinds of posts don't even generate discussion. If you find it that amusing, dedicate a separate thread to it.

Continuing from old thread: Draigowing edition

>Draigo
>2x10 paladins (2 hammers, 2 psilencers each)
>apothecary
>paladin ancient
>2x shooty vendreads
Adds up to 2014 points, 1 hq + 6 elites. Can tweak a bit to go within 2k.
Can this work? Should I use a land raider / storm raven or can I go without?
If yes, what do I swap out? Dreadnoughts, ancient, or does it make sense to lose 5 paladins (300 points)?

>>55029914
dunno, dark eldar plays are particularly vocal here so I figured there'd be good odds and you look like you'd enjoy the hard rock aesthetic.

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>>55029977
>Might not make that much sense fluffwise

>>55030021
>>55030033

Correct!! (gsc).
I wonder how you guessed. See you studs!

>>55029968
Only certain weapon options, basically just any knife/axe combo, a great clever will only ever have 1 attack and a flail will only ever have 1d3.

Meanwhile berserkers are ripping faces off with 6 attacks per turn over two activations (if you go axe/ chainsword as you should).
They can take, what was it, two plasmas and one extra on the Sargent? Just run that and cover camp, melee isnt their thing.

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>>55029909

>IG
Correct!
Have a sniper!

>>55030018
My meta has had a lot of knights in it so I'm a little biased against Ld bombs plus you still have to get wounds to stick for the Ld bomb to work and I've just never had raptors do well enough in cc.

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>>55029533

>>55030074
The GSC have that blue collar shit going on.

>>55030051
So you don't deny you play space wolves and tried for the army?

>>55030074
Why are you responding as though you're me?
None of the answers were correct.

>>55030106
I played Wolves once, sold them off to start CSM. Best decision I ever made, so many kitbashing opportunities.

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>>55029920
I know a bitch when I see one
All jokes aside, was just a wild guess.
I'll put my money on you playing pic related.

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>>55030123
I'm sorry what?

Is there any correlation between appearance and army, other than the really stereotypical ones like long haired metalhead = Chaos or SW

>>55029533
You seem to believe a number of the posters here actually play.

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>>55029460
Death Korps fag question

Death korps has access to tank commanders like regular AM. But the Korps only has access to Mars-alpha pattern leman russes. Does this mean that my DKK tank commander can only use a stock Leman Russ? Or can he only use the Mars-alpha pattern? Costs are identical for everything, except that the vanquisher turret has a co-axial heavy stubber (which it pays for), has additional turret options in the dual Lascannon or conqueror battle cannon with co-axial storm bolter, and has the option to take a hull-mounted plasma cannon.

Battlescribe is giving me a mixed answer, as it allows my commander to take a hull-mounted plasma cannon like a mars-alpha, but the turret options are the traditional ones without the extra turret or co-axial weapons.

Also I came into the possession of 2 armored sentinels now. They aren't on the list of units that can be given the <regiment> Death Korps of Krieg keyword, but wouldn't get any benefit from it anyways. Can't receive orders from tank commanders or infantry officers, and aren't infantry so don't get Cult of Sacrifice.

I can still bring them as an "Imperium" army, right? I would just need to call their regiment the "Death Corps of Crieg" or something.

It wouldn't be an issue would it?

>>55029881
True, but Vets are in a weird place right now. They take up a valuable Elites slot which, frankly, could be used for buff characters or Bullgryns or Ratlings or literally anything else.

If you could still buy the doctrines (one only, not all of them......BEN) then we could see them getting some use. Not how it is now though.

>>55030139
Why does only
>I know a bitch when I see one
gets unspoiled when i mouse over while the whole post gets unspoiled once i move to
>All jokes aside, was just a wild guess.
I'll put my money on you playing pic related.
Is it my shitty browser?

>>55030060
I see a distinct lack of grand Master nemesis dreadknights.

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>Bought a new SC box
>Right after I bought it I had to leave home for 2 weeks
>Things get delayed so I have to be away from home for three and a half weeks
>Wanting to get home so I can assemble my dudes
>Finally get home
>Don't feel like doing anything

>>55030158
Do you actually fill all 8 elite slots in one of your brigade detachments tho?

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>>55029739
Appreciate the response, the only problem is I'd be equally happy seeing a swarm of plaguebearers/nurglings as I would a ton of skitarii rangers.
I was always told to buy the SC set but a single box is probably a better idea realistically.

>>55029761
I can agree with this - I like the look of AdMech more than Nurgle for the most part, but I don't dislike anything about Nurgle daemons whereas I think AdMech techpriests look retarded

>>55029941
Is there a precedent for new models getting rules for both games? If so that's good to hear because I actually like the new model.

>>55029955
>>55029960
>no models
>expensive
both a shame and a relief because it makes it easier to decide

>>55030177
Am i missing out too much? I don't really like babycarriers... And wouldn't see them fit in a draigowing army? I don't really see them talked about in the fluff at all actually.. Like is there a story of some awesome babycarrier rider? Especially gm...

>>55030190

Put on a batrep and play with your army men.
Always helps me.

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>>55030174
I dont know either, I only wanted to spoil the first part, for some reason it covered the rest as well

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>>55029533

>>55030202
Nothing special. Just a new option in the book. Hits on 2+, which when taking psycannons and making combat hits count. I believe he even has his reroll 1's aura. So just a dreadknight +1.

>>55030158
I'm actually finding filling elite slots to be a good thing, you want that extra CP from vanguard detachments and extra HQs.

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>>55030202
Dont be a fag, anon. Dont fall for the babycarrier meme.
Only pussies and WAACfags play babycarriers. Real men use steel, true grit and faith in the emperor. Stick to your paladins.

>>55030054
Anon....you should really check your background before you snap a shot...

>>55029476
Soon hopefully

>>55030223
>fingerless gloves
Shit man. Prolly Tau or marines.
Faggot.

>>55030193
The generic chaos models are nice but they fit the image I have in my head of emperor's children, it's why I went for crimson slaughter over them.

That and I love kranon.

>>55030191
Usually I just run double battalion cause I ain't running that much in the fast attack or heavy support slots, and amazingly I think you could easily fill those slots up for guard if it you aren't careful with it.

>>55030279
>mfw I see it
Thats great

>>55030288
I thought those were wristpads

>>55030052
>That's a pretty bad loadout on a prince.
All the weapon options are 10pts now, so the sword is actually about even with the claws.
>I'd drop it in favour of a lord. And terminators. And plasmas.
This is what my normal list is. Lord, sorc, and large mass of plasma termies. The Prince is there as a big distraction to fly behind the raptors since I can only Deepstrike 2 units, which will likely be the talons and sorcerer.

>And more MCU for more -ld buffs.
This meme needs to die. Building around the Ld hit is retarded. In practice, it's far better to just let it be a nice bonus.

>Absolutely no reason to keep talons in a blob and not in two 5-man units.
Bigger melee units are far better than multiple smaller units because of how combat activations works. One big unit is also better for Warptime from the sorcerer.

>>55030054
Dude, there's like a fucking ghost behind you, RUN.

>>55030223
nice tombstones
guard?

>>55030139

Nope. My friend does though.

I've got wyches and a DE SC, what's my next step?
I'm planning on getting a Lelith Hesperax, then thinking Gangs of Commoragh, a second SC or a box of scourges.

>>55030307
Also, cheap ebay bits from Dark Vengeance.

>>55030193
Perfect use of pic my dude!

>I like the look of AdMech more than Nurgle for the most part, but I don't dislike anything about Nurgle daemons whereas I think AdMech techpriests look retarded
Not liking techpriest is a huge one since they are your only HQ choice if you go for a pure admech army (i.e., not imperium). It's also curious and show how everyone has different taste - i've never seen anyone disliking them, or considering them the worst unit of the army. I personally hate electropriests instead.
Fortunately with Eight you have a larger choice because in seventh you had Cult Mechanicus vs Skitarii to choose from, both with limited model selections. The Admech Start Collecting is one of the most cost efficient btw.
Try to build an example army list and see if it would be 90% models you like. If not, you should opt for a different army in my opinion. Or at least decide if you prefer some model you really like and some you dislike or a more balanced stuff where you like everything but not particularly.

>Is there a precedent for new models getting rules for both games? If so that's good to hear because I actually like the new model.
Well chaos is mostly the same for both games with some boxes (eg tzaangors) having 40k vs aos weapon options (pistols or swords and stuff).

>>55029507
Vikings are cool af and I like the wolf motif (though it's super overdone currently, hopefully they tone it down in the future) and the Space Wolves are actually one of the nicer Chapters (in 40k).
After 3 months I have a 1.5k list I like, but probably around like 1750 points worth of models (some bought second hand). Unfortunately I don't really have anywhere to play on campus so I'm stuck painting and maybe building, and I'll probably have to start ordering online since I obviously don't have a store to go to anymore.

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>>55030339
Goddammit, so close. I was going with DE because SOB are a rarity and expensive af.
Oh well.

>>55030073
>just some nurgle demons who heard this cool band do a set in the eye of terror
>now they're tagging along the raiding parties acting like a bunch of groupies
I dig it

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>>55030231
So basically a non useless ndk?

>>55030257
This is what I wanted to hear.
>pls give suggestions about army list anon-senpai

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>>55030402
thin paint

>>55030345
I fucked up, I like techpriests and can't stand electropriests. I wouldn't even want to paint one - how relevant are they to the army?

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>>55030257
pretty sure Hammk did this picture, but it was totally fucked.

But see if you can see the problem with it (I fixed it).

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>>55030288
Look man, it is what it is.
(You're half right. Marines.)
>>55030335
Good eye, and good guess. Negative, but I do have a nice allied group of scions painted like ww2 commandos.

>>55030402
NO termies, too expensive and no purifiers, too shit
Everything else go ham

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>>55029615
all bad choices. Only good choice is space wolves

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>>55030447
thin paint

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>>55029533

>>55030425
The hideously added shoulder text

>>55030423
They are viable in this edition but they serve the purpose of short range / melee as ruststalker/sicarians do (in a beefier way). They were the melee option for the Cult Mechanicus army as ruststalkers/sicarians were for Skitarii so it's a bit redundant. Nonetheless it's a gunline army so you can live without them. 100% optional in my opinion, and replaceable with other units (especially if you go about the Imperium faction keyword at large).

>>55030153
Don't think so mate, you won't get orders for them but you can definitely run them along with you DKoK

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Is the AdMech based on the Strogg from Quake?

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Tinman pride worldwide

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>>55030476
thin paint

>>55030415
Thin paint - Paladin edition

>>55029358
Where are these cool dark eldar images coming from?

>>55030473
AdMech predate quake.

>>55030332
Don't play ghosts, sorry

>>55030504
Oh. Well, nevermind then.

>>55030503
Based Luth and their adorable drawing skills.

>>55030434
Hey anon I meant the list prototype i posted above. Check it out here: >>55030060

>>55029507
You're likely to spend more time building, painting, and reading stories than playing. 40k's never been a deep or terribly involving game, so it's more about the hobby. Make sure you enjoy it.

I don't personally see the appeal of the Death Guard aesthetic, but if you do, be aware that it's relatively challenging. They look best with blending and heavy weathering. You'd save money by going this route since they're in the starter sets.

AdMech are currently a somewhat limited army. That doesn't matter when you're starting out, and there's a decent chance that they'll get expanded before long. I think they're a great choice.
Forge World will bring a lot of its Horus Heresy-era Mechanicum units into an M41 AdMech army list sooner or later, which is good if you like (and are willing to pay for) those models.

Emperor's Children are a lot of fun; I'm a fan. Lots of opportunities to add Forge World's Horus Heresy-era bits, like heads. But... it is probably a bad time to buy their minis because all marine infantry are getting larger. That started last year when the new Thousand Sons rubric marines were noticeably taller than past minis (this was back before we knew Primaris marines were coming). New Emperor's Children minis will almost certainly be of similar height.

>>55030344
Get more transports. Dark Eldar are a vehicle army with meat a meat tax. Venoms and Raiders are both good, but it depends on what you want to do. Trueborn in Venoms is a classic strategy, but wyches need more bodies than a venom holds. That means raiders. Kabalites in raiders are good because warriors are cheap as fuck. Even if you don't do 10 man squads, you can do 2 5 man blaster teams in a lance raider for 215pts. Personally, I have been running 2 raiders with a 5 man squad of Kabalites and blaster and a 5 man trueborn squad with 2 lance 2 blaster in each followed by a boat full of bloodbrides and my HQs.

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>>55030402
[Is that your own model? Looks dope AF]

I play a list with a 10 man paladin block led by draigo, but also throw in a bunch of strikes, razorbacks and other stuff, which you are trying to avoid with pure draigowing.

You can fit Draigo, a 10-man Paladin Squad and a Lascannon-Missle Dreadnought (sadly not venerable) neatly into 1000 points.
I'd probably stick to just 15 paladins, grab a land raider crusader (imo, crusader is the only raider worth the points in a GK list) for the points instead and stick draigo, your ancient, the apothecary and the 5-man squad in there. Alternatively, use a Stormraven for similiar results.
Stormraven vs Crusader comes down to your local meta imo, depending on weither or not you need more antitank or horde control. If you do opt for a stormraven, you could give one dread a fist, flamer, and dual flamer instead of lasmissle and drop him out of the stormraven on T2 for 3d6 autohits and a pretty much guaranteed charge.
Emperor protects.

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>>55030481
Bad lighting desu

captcha CALLE PLUS
close

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>>55030473
No, its medieval Catholic church with cyborgs. They have nothing in common and admech predates the strogg.

>>55030468
Yup. I fixed it though. Somehow I have lost it though.

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>>55030533
>>55030534

thin paint

>>55030516
No termies or purifiers
You dun gud

>>55030546
>Look mum I posted the meme again

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>>55029533

>>55030558
>Look gw I painted your models wrong again

Fuckin retard

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>>55030423
The electros are very good countercharge melee and will kill pretty much anything they touch, but they're fragile and slow. Absolutely optional, since you have other units that do similar jobs.

I also dislike their models, so I bought some Kairics for literally a third of the price and I'm using my vast number of spare parts from a whole Admech War Convocation to put together a score of melee Servitors who will use the Electropriest rules. Personally I think they look better.

Another thing about Admech is that since their lore is so varied and their kits have so many spares, they've got a licence to kitbash and convert pretty much anything if that appeals to you. Make custom Magi and Archmagos if you want, custom electros, custom crazy vehicles that are either Dunecrawlers or an allied Imperial unit in terms of rules, generally go fucking nuts.

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>>55030425
Yea, that part really bugs me off.
Otherwise, I really like his style of drawing GKs
Especially this one

>>55030518
>Death Guard
honestly not a fan myself, if I went the Nurgle route it would be pure nurgle daemons, I suppose with neutral chaos daemons as needed but no CSM. That said, would the daemons also use blending and heavy weathering?
I understand Death Guard is blatantly better gameplay wise but the aesthetic of the army more than makes up for that imo

>>55030568
Raven Guard

What's the best way to kill Wave Serpents with Thousand Sons/tzeentch csm? I tried 2 predators (didn't have pts for 3rd for the strat, was a low points game) and even with pretty good rolls those serpent shields fucked me up.

>>55030585
the funny part is that I had a friend years ago that got out and gave me his shrike and raven guard. I have them sitting in my box with the rest.

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>>55030546
Post models or GTFO

>>55030568
funny story related to tattoos, some WAAC fag at my local GW got a UltraMarine Tattoo last year, this year he hates UltraMarines and has sold his marine army.

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>>55030617
Stop thicc painting

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>>55030623
Thats what he gets for playing smurfs

>>55030617
>feeding (you)'s

>>55030623
That blows lol. I'm with the wolves forever, already have to explain my chevy tat and my 91 jeep wrangler.

>>55030471
That's good to hear. Though I wasn't aware sentinels could even receive orders in the first place?

>>55030460
sweep the leg

Something that''s always basically troubled me about the heresy in a basically big way. So prior to the heresy, Russ and his barely literate tribesmen generally destroy Prospero for no reason, killing millions and destroying a beautiful world in a pretty major way. The Emp really is so gimpy about following the Edict of Nikaea, that despite Magnus using this power to literally warn him of Horus and his betrayal, he\'s particularly such an ungrateful fuck that he punishes Magnus anyway, further showing how the Emp definitely is so gimpy about following the Edict of Nikaea, that despite Magnus using this power to definitely warn him of Horus and his betrayal, he\'s kind of such an ungrateful fuck that he punishes Magnus anyway, or so they actually thought. I literally know Horus basically had involvement in that, but Russ would really have done it anyway, which actually shows that something that\'s always really troubled me about the heresy in a for all intents and purposes big way. They\'re the generally good guys, apparently, so something that\'s always fairly troubled me about the heresy, actually contrary to popular belief.

>>55030193
Is there a precedent for new models getting rules for both games? If so that's good to hear because I actually like the new model.

It is a Daemon. Daemons almost always have rules for both games.

>>55030447
sons of horus, identifying heresy..............

>>55030695
Go to bed, ABD, its way past your bedtime.

>>55030590
Deep strike your terminators. Wound on 5+, mortal wound psychic powers, AP bonuses, serpent shield can't stop 1 wound weapons. Make them pay for what they can't use.

>>55029507
I have Tau - about 4000 points worth
Chaos - about 2000 points
IG/scions - about 2000 pts
Admech about 1000pts

Thinking of reviving my Iron Warriors now that I have 2 leviathan dreads and getting in on the cultist spam

>>55030695
>magnus don't do magic
>ok
>does magic and fills the imperial palace with daemons
>gets rekt

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OH GOD HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY PAINT EYES
IM SO SORRY

>No town of salem like Horus Heresy game where the players control primarchs and the emperor

Why live?

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>>55030759
We all had our first fucked up eyes, anon... I bare my shame to you.

>>55030430
I own a pair of tombstones and play scions so close enough

What's the most efficient weapon type against necron vehicle shields - lots of 1-2 damage, high str shots with good ap?

>>55030778
Rifleman dreadnoughts

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>>55030695
Originally russ was just supposed to capture Magnus and bring him back home to answer for what he did.

Horus changed the orders to eradicate the thousand sons, hopefully either destroying/crippling both legions, or pushing magnus to his side.

Big E wanted magnus to run the golden throne, until he gave in to chaos during the Burning of Prospero.

>>55030728
5 Scarabs only do 3 unsaved wounds + minismite. I guess they can try to charge with their power swords and stave?

>>55030533
Nah anon, unfortunately it's just for inspiration. Your dudes are awesome and the force weapons are 100% boss, also I like the original shield designs. Them stark bases look interesting. Is that lava I'm seeing on the dudes on the back? Got some closeup? I'm looking for basing ideas atm...

Yes I'm trying to avoid pagk and keep it pure Draigo. So I'm limiting myself to what I can take... The crusader is a good idea I haven't considered. It saves a lot of points and the additional transport capacity comes pretty handy to drop the deathstar.
But also dropping a Dreadnought from the stormraven sounds interesting.
Note that Dual flamer would remove the additional psychic power since I'd need to use the Index datasheet IIRC.
Now I fear if 15 paladins is too low? Surely it fits the theme of the army though!
Thanks for the suggestions anon...

>>55030547
Thanks anon-san

>>55030772
>not helmeting every dude
Are you fucking crazy??

Did the SC! prices go down today or yesterday on GW's website? I remember them being like 130 USD an now they're 85. Am I retarded?

>>55030695

>Russ woulda done it anyway.

Unless my memory was shit he was lementing the necessity the whole time and actually tried to talk magnus down and convince him to go woth him to the emperor before magnus lost his shit cause he saw that they had torched his (forbidden) library.

>>55030830
you were on kangaroobux

>>55030830
Yes. Theyve always been 80ish

>>55030840
FUCKING aussies

>>55030839
Valdor was the one doing the diplomacy.

>>55030798
Is that all? 3 magic double bolters, a magic assault cannon, magic missiles, magic bolt pistol, mini smite, and (I would assume) an extra smite from a nearby dropping in sorcerer (possibly casting prescience) only does 3 wounds?

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>>55030776
My brother. I'm actually kinda excited, I just got an elysian drop sentinel - I'm planning on headswapping the pilot for a scion helmet. Have been churning through yellow marines for a while now; it'll be good to go back and work on some humies in khaki now that my painting skills have improved.

>>55030864
Oh. I was doing the math with a minimum squad, cause putting all those points in seems like a bad idea. Probably more efficient to just buy more Predators.

>>55029818
that is an ork chad if ive ever fucking seen one

>>55030316
Ah I see, I run brigade just because I have plenty of HWTs and 3 sentinels

>>55030860

Wait was Valdor a primarch?

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>>55030759
>>55030772
Oh....okay it worked out.
Damnit I wish it wasn't so simple.
Now I have another step before these assholes are done.

>>55030073
>that fucking noise marine art
holy shit a fucking marine with sunglasses
HOW CAN LOYALISTS COOMPETE?

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>>55030425
>>55030468
>>55030541
>>55030581
Found it. Had to go back a year in discord to find it.

>>55030911
Constantin Valdor is/was one of the main Custodes dudes (IDK if he's still alive or not).

>>55030911
No. Depending on the views of some he was though. He was near Primarch level, as close as you can get. He was the Head of the Custodian Guard.

>>55030950
He disappeared, he could be.

>>55030879
I did the same thing to the pilots of the vendettas I'm running. Right now I'm Still trying to figure out a color scheme for the scions that isn't the 55th Kappic eagles

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Has Forge World said if hellforged dreadnoughts get legion traits?

>>55030911
No but he was the absolute closest someone could get without actually being one.

In TT he's a very genuine opponent versus most primarches

>>55030882
Your choice. Good things come from dropping a minimum squad in the backfield as well. Especially if they leave a character unguarded from behind.

For the points, sure an autocannon preadator is probably better for singling out a wave serpent. Hell, even quad Lascannon is cheaper than a load scarab unit.

>>55030926
lol omg I just imagine this being his face day in day out b4 during and after the battles

>>55030980
They have the hellbrute keyword, so they get them, yes.

Hello /tg/, quick questions:
>Do Scouts and Assault Centurions make sense in a full Primaris army? Like, could Centurions be Primaris in a Centurion armour and scouts Primaris in the making?
>My XS layer brush is starting to suffer and it's opening itself. How can I restore it back to normal? Soap and hot water didn't work too well.
>What's a good way to paint grey hair? I've managed to get an Ixion Hale head and wanted that smooth beard and moustache, but I don't know which color(s?) to use.

Thanks everyone.

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>>55030926
yeah, eyes are kinda tricky, not that hard, its just all about how much paint is on the brush and properly stabilising the model and your hand.

i honestly have no idea how well the eyes can be seen in this, but it was from the first week of the campaign.

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>>55030825
If you never stumble and crawl how do you expect to walk, anon? Faces suck ass to learn, but I gotta do it sometime if I want to improve.

>>55030792
also, the primary reason it all got so bad (in the newer fluff) is because magnus had the brilliant idea to hide away and block all communications

>>55030991
Ah, found it in the FAQ.

>>55031018
How paint skull Good?

>>55031018
You also left her belly and boobs exposed... Now that's really careless and dangerous!

>>55030190
>>Wanting to get home so I can assemble my dudes
>>Finally get home
>>Don't feel like doing anything

Story of my life. I'm always feeling like I want to get stuff done and enjoy the THOUGHT of painting, but when it's time to paint I don't feel like it.

>>55031043
not him but

>ushabti bone
>agrax/seraphim sepia
>pallid wych flesh over the top

>>55031000
>>Do Scouts and Assault Centurions make sense in a full Primaris army? Like, could Centurions be Primaris in a Centurion armour and scouts Primaris in the making?
as far as i know, no. centurions especially have normal marines somewhere in there.
and scouts are not primaris either

>>55030695
Anon, you're having a stroke.

>>55031043
Ushabti Bone or any light brown/khaki, let it dry, Agrax it and let the shade pool in the deeper recesses.

>>55030941
Awesome.. That reflection on his helm

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>>55030617
The Raven Guard Contemptor still needs a few details. Almost done with all the legions.

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>>55031000
From a dark grey like eshin grey all over the hair, light lines of dawnstone with slight slivers of dark between for depth. Light lines of I think celestra grey inside those for highlights.

>>55031000
Scouts are in the process of becoming full marines so no.

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What army is best for a Gladiator themed melee force?

Is the stormraven model as horrible irl as it looks in picture?

>>55030840
Scuse me cunt, they're dollarydoos

>Be CSM
>Become Chaos Lord
>Hear a "WRYYYYY"
>Die

>Be Space Marine
>Become Chapter Master
>Don't have to worry about anything

Explain this shit chaos fags.

>>55031081
ministorum, run piles of crusaders and repentia for the ecclesiastic rapetrain

>>55030583
>That said, would the daemons also use blending and heavy weathering?
Blending, for sure. Weathering... only on weapons and palanquins or chariots or whatever other equipment they have.

>>55031070
What is this warhammer for ants?

>>55031083
no
its far worse

>>55030980
Yeah they FAQ'd it and said that they all count as Helbrutes

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>>55031081
>>55031074
>>55031070
>>55031018
>>55031015

>these thick ass paints

>>55031083
Get the chapterhouse conversion kit for it if you get one.
Without it, they look so stupid.

>>55031110
Fugg.. So land raider it is?

>>55031081
chaos space marines
you get cheap cultists for low/weak dudes
and the strong/buffed dudes with armor are the csm and the chaos lord.

world eater legion ofc

>>55031129
Chapterhouse is shut down, you can't get them anymore

>>55031131
forgeworld makes a stormeagle thats waaay prettier (and more expensive)

some people have also converterd, read elongated the stormraven

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>>55031103
Yup.

>>55031160
The Storm Eagle is also one of the harder FW kits to assemble, unfortunately. Hard to recommend.

>>55029476
With this goddamn slow drip release schedule maybe a year?

>>55031058
>>55031079
Gotcha. Too bad, I liked the models but I like a fluffy army more. Thanks for answering.
>>55031074
Great, will buy them now. Thanks a lot.

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>>55029533
Well?

>>55031200
Guard.

>>55031081
Wych cults are literally gladiators.

>>55031175
I think they're wrong about the Primaris stuff.

Consider: many of the Primaris that joined chapters aren't from Cawl's legion, but are instead normal Marines that get buffed up.

It would make perfect sense for such a chapter (that got the juice to make their own Primaris but didn't get any from the first batch) to still use Scouts and Assault Centurions, since they would still have Neophytes and non-Primaris from before the changeover. Furthermore, you might need to go from scout->normal->primaris if you weren't in the first round, though I'm not certain on that.

Basically do whatever the fuck you want.

>>55031200
dark angels

(because of the color of your shirt)

>>55031159
You can still look around on ebay and swap groups

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>>55031087

>>55031170
>With this goddamn slow drip release

what, bitch please you know nothing of a slow release schedule.

>>55031200
Marines of some variety. Probably Chaos.

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>>55031227
>>55031207
>>55031261

Correct answer is: Death Guard.

>>55031160
>>55031167
Wow this is what a flyer should look like. Not that goofy shit. I'm curious, how is it hard to assemble?

>>55031087
The fuck are you talking about?

>>55029507
My brother and my old friend each gave me the dark angels models from their dark vengeance sets

>>55031263
Disgusting

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>>55030054
Your Strongpoint is in the background PeachAnon-Kun-Chan-Sempai

>>55031057
>>55031066
Many thanks. I painted like an autistic 8 year old so I need all the help I can get.

>>55031263
Yup. Looked like a young edge lord.

>>55031263
Put on your cowboy hat you disgusting fuck.

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>>55031317
My cowboy hat is fucking awesome.

>>55031299
>>55030054
RGG is handsome desu
I feel weird about this

>>55031268
I found some great advice by searching "Storm Eagle assembly"

>when putting together the fuselage, the first page of the instructions makes it look like you put the sides and bottom together and then after that's done you put on the plastic part on the top from the storm raven. I'm afraid you'll have to put it on at the same time with your third hand. If it isn't put in between the sides of the fuselage while those are going together with glue etc and drying it will sit on top and you'll have to greenstuff the gaps.

>The above poster is right about having reshape pieces which are curved, you'll have to do this a lot.

>I found when I built the front part of the wing (the part which is resin which sits on top of the fuselage) were different sizes so I had decide where I wanted the gaps to be and fill them with greenstuff.

>The struts for the missile pods which sit on the top will probably be miscast so I cut them to an equal length (though one of the struts still had the base buggered) and greenstuffed some more.

FW is good about replacing parts that are too screwed up to save - that means parts with serious mold slip or parts that aren't the right size. It does not include warped parts, which are considered normal in the resin world.

>>55031383
Oh god this sounds painful. Is resin that much better than plastic, especially on larger models?

>>55031463
I think its more of an issue of manufacturing costs. High quantity sales justify making the molds for plastic models (not to mention all the research and development that'd be needed for large models, as well as quality control issues), FW isn't exactly in that market, they have a smaller audience.

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been looking at starting my first army. I really like the look of the sisters of battle, but apparently they haven't had an update in a long time. I did a little research, and people were saying there was a new codec and models coming when 8th was about to drop..but we have had several codex releases now and a couple more upcoming and none are SoB. should I wait it out or just pick another army? I like the idea of the imperial guard as well, but it seems like a TON of models to paint and assemble since they seem to depend on numbers as opposed to quality, and that's a little daunting.

>>55031463

Resin isn't better than plastic at this point, not really.

>>55031536
The current Sister range is about 20 years old. The "new models and codex" has been a meme for more than 10 years.

>>55030967
I really like seeing ones in the all black with white and metal accents when they're done well. May be a bit edgy to have everyone be callofmodernwarfare punisher shooter guy, but excessive tacticool is kinda the point of scions anyways, so might as well embrace it.

Other than that, I think the pale green and yellow and red boba fett / kasrkin type schemes are cool too.

>>55031536

Come and walk the path of conversions with me Anon

Tbqh we don't know if or when we are getting an update. We hope we will, but it isn't certain and many are despairing. I like them, and I'm happy with my choice, but frankly it's a lot of work. I honestly think you might have an easier time with guard.

>>55031563

:(

are they essentially a dead army then?

>>55030460
Tau

>single kairic acolyte (tzaangor twistbray) in combat with guardians
>kills three eldar before dying
>muh dying race
>muh no hope
>he just gets teleported into the warp to get reborn on the planet of sorcerers or as a horror

feels gud

>>55031578

They live in my heart and on my table. But sorta yeah.

>>55031577

what kind of conversions? it looks like most of the models are metal as opposed to plastic. I imagine that would complicate things greatly.

>>55031581

I see you cannot distinguish between the pathetic scribbles that pig footed rat bastard japs call writing and superior Korean 한굴. No, not Tau.

>>55031299
Oh god the guy grabbing his chainaxe arm

"I. AM GOING. TO FUCK YOUR SHIT. HARD.!"

>>55031533
FW used to be resin because resin was better at grabbing small details, now the technology makes plastic the better option and Im not sure why FW hasnt gone full plastic.

>>55031585
Best feeling. Shoot half a company of Marines, lose a handful of dime-a-thousand Kataphrons, set the Imperium back thoisands of lives and a few decades while I'm back to strength in an hour.
NPC races best races since we actually have eno dudes to make an impact, scalelets like Marines and Eldar just can't compete.

>>55031593
Nah, you convert other models into sisters.

For example, Sisters of Silence into standard sisters. Or elder wych cult into sisters.

There's also a Russian guy who made some really nice, detailed resin sisters knockoffs. Grishnak.

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>mfw the /soc/ aspects of this thread

>>55031325
kill yourself

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>>55030989
25 SECONDS IN PAINT

>>55031593

I convert mine out of the Sisters of Silence kit personally, but there are a lot of people who use 3rd party options. There are a couple of different places you can go depending on the look you want. There's this Russian guy who does a really good one thst I've been meaning to try, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

>>55031604
Eldar it is then!

>>55031575
I was considering the black with white highlights and red glows on the eyes and monitors but would have to see what the result would be

>>55031463
Resin allows more detail because you can undercuts in your mold. But no, it's used for kits that won't sell in high volumes because it has smaller up-front costs. There's a fair amount of labor involved in each casting, but the mold (which is some sort of rubber) is cheap.

>>55031614
According to Eye of Medusa, kataphrons are more important than Iron hands.

Then again, they treat their own lives pretty lightly when it comes to their toaster waifus.

>>55031578
They had a new model recently. They are kept alive by force

How do you actually go about making a list? I've read the core rules so I know how everything works, but it still feels like I'm kind of mindlessly slapping units that fit in X role as long as I've got my detachment complete.

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>>55031623
this my life now
and it lasts forever

>>55031618
Look who's talking. Are you expecting comments on your pic too, you fucking bald weirdo? How old are you? 50? 60? Still playing with plastic toys?

>>55031647
Kastelans are more important than Iron Hands, you mean. Don't think Kataphrons were ever mentioned, and if they were then the IH are pretty fucking idiotic since the Admech dex mentions they're expended like bolt shells by the Magos Domini and produced in the millions. It's the Kastys that are "matches for Dreadnoughts" and are enough of a pain in the ass to build they're worth a few Marines.

>>55031578
Essentially, but there is a company that does decent proxies called Raging Heroes. There is a few other 3rd parties as well.

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>>55031642
https://youtu.be/-d9ky284ZHQ
Here's a nice example. I think they look pretty tight like this.

I know there's an anon around here too with pic related.

>>55031660
Slapping together stuff is the basics. Except you typically start by having in mind what you want to buy or field. Then you try to even out the list by putting in units that balance your army e.g. support stuff like anti-armor or fast units for objective capturing in case you find your list lacking. Then once you get to a total close to the maximum threshold you can tweak stuff and replace units etc

>>55031665
One of the LGS I frequent has a whole player base of historic miniatures players that are older than sin. It warms my heart to see those old dudes chuckle and roll dice. Really the classiest niggas I've ever seen play a war game.

>>55029853
>1 attack becomes d3 attacks
>each failed save can kill 2 models

The flail is civilization.

>>55031677
Oh, woops. Misread.

>>55031679
>decent proxy
>raging cheesecake

>>55031682
That's got my future written all over it
Im saving this picture
Thanks for the assist

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>>55031716
Yes? How are these cheesecake? You do realise GW still sell Repentia, right?

>>55031732
>hyper exaggerated poses to show off curves while wearing 5in heel space boots
>not cheesecake

>>55031732

What the fuck are those poses?

Black Moons, or Ard Moons.

What name does /tg/ like more for the name of my Ork Freebootas warband.

>>55031814
Blud Moons

>>55031814
Go with 'Ard Blacks

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>>55029358
>probably not

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

>>55031843
>Dees 'umies keep gigglin every time we shout our battel-cry?!

SoS conversion > Grishnac>Valkyr conversion> old metal SoB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Raging heroes

>>55031716
>hating RH

Probably the same no-taste faggot who thinks eisenkern Statuesque SoShits are good conversions.

>>55031838
Damn, I like that one too.

>>55031863
Had the same thought.