EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>55026382
>Thread Question: What card would you run the heck out of if only it were cheaper?
Nether Void

Gaea's cradle

which C17 deck are you guys getting? ordered the wizards

>>55026382

What card would I run if it were cheaper? The list goes on. There also lots of cards I own only one copy of but would go in multiple decks if I had more. Also there are some cards that are within a price range I would occasionally get, but I have to choose between them and other cards in the same price range

Cards id play out of my range:
Dual lands, lion's Eye Diamond, ravages of war, candelabra of tawnos

Cards in my range but can't afford all of them:
Mox Opal, Force of Will, enemy fetchlands, metalworker

Cards i own but can't afford multiples:
Wheel of fortune, snapcaster mage, Demonic Tutor

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>question

doubling fucking season


>>55026493

If I end up getting one it's probably going to be vampires but porobably none

>>55026382
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

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>>55026493
Cats

>>55026660

This post makes me want to talk on that discord

-said no one ever

>>55026459
Where do I find this chinaman?

>>55026358
How much does the card cost? I would try to get TCGP to un-refund the card rather than mail it back, personally.

>>55026626
>doubling fucking season

This. Also I really need to just give in and buy all the Praetors.

>>55026626
I wish I'd picked up more when Ravnica came out.

>>55026700

search on aliexpress or look for the reddit about bootleg magic

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>>55026382
>thread question
M O A T

I want to play it so badly. Such a classic and flavorful effect and it fits in any deck that uses mostly fliers (Like dragon tribal or Kaalia) or just wins without land creatures.

>>55026493
>which C17 deck are you guys getting? ordered the wizards

All of them. I'm one of those preorder morons. Got them for less than MSRP, about $29 each.

Jank Brothers, what is the status on Quicksilver rulings? Forge seems to have already kneecapped the interaction though I'm playing on snapshot releases most of the time.

>>55026382
>Thread Question
Gaea's Cradle and Crucible of Worlds.

>>55026493
I'm getting some of the new cards from the Wizard deck, but nothing much else.

>>55026493
just getting a few singles from the overall set t b h

>>55026382
Probably Tabernacle or Nethervoid. The only reason I haven't built Mishra artifacts is that Nether Void is one of the cards that really makes the deck tick.

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>>55026493

just getting this

I'd get teferi's protection if any of my decks had white in it

>>55026382
>What card would you run the heck out of if only it were cheaper?
cradle
though someone mentioned theres a gold border version out there so i might just pick that up instead

>>55026736
oh this is a good answer

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>>55026382
>thread question

Magus just is not the same.

>>55026729
Thanks. I'll check out what the prices are like and mighy use them for some specific cards like Candelabra.

>>55026491
If it had about $100 shaved off I'd buy one for each of my EDH decks with green.

>>55026493
I think it's just going to be more cost effective for me to get the wizard deck then it is to be to buy singles from it.

Other than that teferis bathroom break and the new indestructible equipment I'm grabbing as singles

I have a cradle and it's overrated. Obviously it is good and broken in some combos or with Mana Reflection but it's often win-more. Just to give some solace to those who won't ever buy one. Legacy Elves is what's made the price so high.

>>55026910

Hmm I disagree, I think it should be banned actually. Single card in my green decks that has the greatest effect on whether I win or not

>>55026493
Wizards and Dragons here.

>>55026749
got them from Rudy?

>>55026910
It's broken. You don't need to convince anyone otherwise. It's busted and it regularly creates enough mana to rival sol ring in terms of value.

>>55026910
I agree. I play Cradle in Titania and while it shoots me ahead, it's only really good when I'm already winning. Don't get me wrong, the card secures your win, but it doesn't help you much when you're down.
>>55026939
I wouldn't be opposed to it being banned honestly, but not before Mana Crypt and Sol Ring. Gaea's Cradle rarely gives you an explosive start unless you're playing elves.

>>55026990
I'd call it stupid the moment you hit two dudes on the board, 4+ dudes and it enters absurd value mode.

>>55026671
I am really happy about cats archetype but i fucking hate the cat people. wish they all were just cats. balanced together cat vs wolf kitchen table decks to play with my wife so i get to play all the otherwise unplayable felines

>>55026880
also order black core cards, they have much nicer printing

>>55027026

I definitely think Sol ring and Mana Crypt should be banned, almost goes without saying, at this point those are only legal for the sake of tradition

Gaea's cradle is debatable I just land on the side of banning it

I have a problem- every time I think of a deck idea to try out, it ends up containing red / back / both of them. Every single time. How do I stop this.

>>55027239

Try mono green or mono blue, it's easier to justify adding a color when you're working with multiple already, mono color means you've got a strict limitation to work within

>>55027310
is caged sun required for a mono colored deck?

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All right, I have an issue. I've wanted to do a deck with Jhoira for a long time because I love Suspend and her card is great, but when I go about optimizing the deck, it feels like every other Jhoira deck I've seen. Yeah, I get it, special snowflake and all that, but most Jhoira decks look like some kinda of pubstomp shit that folds whenever Jhoira can't stick, even the more tuned builds I've seen on tappedout.

I want to build her as a time themed (not necessarily extra turns) that I can pull out when I don't feel like playing my pure combo decks. I'll obviously have a few fatties in there like Blightsteel and Inkweel Leviathan, but what are some fun spells and creatures I can run with that wouldn't depend on me suspending them to be good?

>>55027374

Not required but I wouldn't want to play mono colored without one, fairly cheap too compared to the other mana doubling cards

>>55027375

I think the problem with jhoira is that suspending shit is just really bad unless it has a game ending effect, so your choices are pretty limited on how to build her, anything that's not mass destruction and game ending permanents like Omni of eldrazi is just gonna be too little too late, the other issue is that extra turns are even better than normal when you have suspended shit counting down so it's hard to justify not running extra turn cards

Honestly if you want to be a special snowflake with jhoira I would just not worry at all about what you play, play literally any cool blue and red cards you like because no matter what you do the deck is going to be trash

>>55026493
Got em' all. Going to take apart Wizards to build Mr. Jank's cage, then lightly upgrade the rest to let friends play.

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What's the cheapest way to make a useable 5 color manabase? I have a couple of cards like Mana Confluence, Exotic Orchard, Spire of Industry, etc. I will eventually get a set of Shocklands (and maybe even get accompanying fetches as well) but for now I want something usable but cheap.

>>55027494
That's what I was afraid of. Every time I put in cards that looked fun to play and then started to optimize, the fun stuff was the first to get cut and it was usually something big and splashy going in its place. I love the idea of the Suspend mechanic and I wish there were more good cards with Suspend and cards that mess with Time counters that I could play, but Suspend doesn't and likely won't get much more love. I think I'll go ahead and use some extra turns and then fill it in with a control/spellslinger suite that isn't dependent on Jhoira. With that in mind, any cool spells I could throw around in the deck? If I'm going jank, I might as well go full jank.

If there's one thing I'd like to see in Dominaria, it's Suspend returning, but I doubt it would because the Time Rifts have already been fixed and they don't have any reason for Suspend to show up again. The recent return of Phasing (a 9 on the Storm Scale) gave me some hope, but I just don't see anywhere where it could happen.

>>55027590
Honestly, some color fixing artifacts and basics would be better than what they put in the box. The deck will probably be heavy on Red, so skew your basic land count toward that. Use Signets and Talismans along with Green's basic land ramp cards. Kodama's Reach, Cultivate, Skyshroud Claim, etc. will help you shore up the lack of flexibility that comes with basics until you get your shocks and fetches.

>>55027590
Enemy painlands and the BFZ duals are extremely cheap. They won't give you a perfect mana base by any means, but they'll be a huge improvement over the precon.

>>55027590
Painlands and checklands I guess. Checklands also get better once you get shocks.

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Anyone got any spicy tech for this cunt? Is she fun to play?

>>55027590
Painlands, checklands, signets, Rampant Growth/Farseek/Kodama's Reach/Cultivate/Explosive Vegetation.

would running final fortune on isochron with sundial be hard to set up in grixis? of course theirs black tutors but what about artifact tutors other than like fabricate.

>>55027603

Maybe go with an upkeep theme? Skip the mass destruction and eldrazi but go all the extra turns, and then just fill your deck with cool upkeep triggers and stuf like paradox haze

>>55027823
I've got Paradox Haze in there for Suspend already, so that might actually work out pretty well. It's certainly something different and it sounds fun to brew. Looks like I've to start sorting through all of the cards on gatherer that have upkeep effects. Thanks for the idea, anon.

>>55026382
I own a wheel of fortune but i have like 5 red edh decks.
I wouldn't mind a full set of eldrazi titans for my ulamog deck but i cant be fucked shelling out for em.

>>55027794
Whirl of invention, tezzeret the seeker, reshape kind of, madcap experiment if you're a real madman.

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>>55026493
None. From what I can tell they barely contain any staples of the respective tribes.

>>55027723
Anon, I...

>>55027723
How the fuck do you summon this?

>>55026382
Mostly lands. They really need to stop printing taplands. And for the lands that are too strong, a FTV:Lands 2 would come in handy.

>>55028195
>>55028216
Plat Angel, Topor Orb, and Command Beacon are three ways I can think of to cheat/put Phage in without losing.

>>55027723
Dauthi Embrace is a fun one.

Nether Void for sure. I cant stand Storm combos or Green ramp bullshit.

>>55028267
I should buy marit lage while its dropped to $25 for some reason

>>55028328
Also sundial.
I actually made this deck. Just shit to get her out without losing, black ramp like coffers and crypt ghast, and haste/evasion granters, plus obligatory wipes. It plays like a shitty combo deck, but it's really satisfying when you pull it off

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ixalian:

5RGW
Legendary Creature - Dinosaur Avatar
Trample, vigilance, haste

When Gishark, Sun's Avatar deals combat damage to a player, reveal that many cards from the top of your library. Put any number of Dinosaur creature cards from among them onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.

>>55028480
this was spoiled like 4 months ago

>>55028480
His viability entirely depends on how many good Dinos there are, if there arent enough he drops in viability hard

>>55026493
Kitties. Gonna play it stock once and then immediately gut it for Mirri Hatebears

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>>55028508
ok

this then?

I'm quite concerned about buying cards for my decks, then playing them a couple of times and disassembling them. Incidentally, most 20+$ cards I've bought this year are not in decks atm. I don't think I'd be able to sell them any time soon, but I guess I still wouldn't. So there is just a load of money sunken into cards I don't even touch. It gets worse

>>55028511
Apparently they're going to issue an errata for a bunch of older cards that will (re)make them Dinosaurs

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>>55028526

>>55028526
This was spoiled earlier this week. Along with a mini Suntitan, a pseudo Victim of the Night and a couple tohers.

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>>55027723
:^ )

>>55026493
Vampires and Wizards

How the fuck does Pox only cost 1 more {B} than Smallpox? That card is fucking brutal

>>55026382
Tabernacle at pendrell vale

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cancel-everything-baral-chief-of-compliance/

new to EDH, how's this look guys, already have Jace and Thing in the ice, as well as a couple other cheap cards, what else would you guys rec? Nothing that costs too much.

Talking about the gold border thing;

People get real salty about it because they lost to what is essentially an extemely expensive card, but the person didn't even pay it's price.

>>55028733
i don't follow this reasoning

>get beaten with a normal border card
>"huh he paid 300 dollars for that card so i guess he deserved to win with it"

>get beaten with a gold border card the exact same way
>"WHAT THE FUCK SO UNFAIR YOU DIDN'T EVEN BUY YOUR WAY INTO VICTORY"

>thread questions
OG dual lands, fetch lands, and various other mana fixing lands.

I just can't buy a ton of these lands for my slivers deck right now.

>>55028733
>playing edh
>get beat by a nonfoil cyclonic rift which only costs 5 fucking bucks
>get mad because it wasnt a foil cyclonic rift which costs 20, a much more realistic price for so much power
This is why my playgroup doesnt allow non foil cards anymore. It keeps people from paying overpowered nonsense and when they do they invested into that stretegy so its much fairer.

>>55026759
I am heavily invested in the answer to this question. It is my assumption this makes our boy Mairsil go infinite.

>>55028790
my group runs typically just temples, painlands and trilands. in the end, no one has a clear advantage over anyone else because no one gives a shit about manabases enough to spend real money on them

if all those cards were cheaper, then me and everyone in my group would buy then, and in the end we would all have the same speed decks anyway so it wouldn't really matter

as for op's question, i'd buy a bunch of the praetors if they were just cheaper

>>55028782
I refuse to lose to peasants.

>>55028886
then maybe you should fuck off back to legacy or vintage

>>55028838
That logic is about as sound as /pol/s hated for jews.

>>55028891
"No."

>>55028891
Maybe you should fuck off back to pauper. I'm not being serious man.

>>55028782
>you pay 300 dollars
>some scrub doesn't
>still has all the benefits
Hmmm, why would somebody even get mad... I completely forgot that people buy the cards just to own some good artwork and not to gain an edge in game

>>55028919
Then it's perfectly justified

>>55028998
what a provoking and interesting post

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>>55028998

>>55027374
It's an automatic inclusion in every monocolored deck I've built. You only get a few advantages by going with one color and mana doublers like Caged Sun are one of them.

>>55027374
not really, it's a 6-mana removal magnet. i honestly consider it only being really good in something like daretti where it can be cheated out

>>55026759
>>55028868
Shiffrin et aliquis have been silent lately as far as I know. If it's not in the C17 rules update I will play it as going infinite.

>>55026829
Will this become a staple in xG_land.dec?

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>no legendary wurm
>no legendary crab

>>55028919
What are you talking about? My playgroup carefully curates which cards from a printing are ok or are not ok based on the cardboard not whats written on the card.

>>55029539
Angry Omnath for sure. I don't think it's reliable enough to be a staple however.

>>55028919
I think it was a joke, anon.

>>55029611
>a spell only resolves if it's in mint condition

>>55029670
Kek.
>>55028998
What about SP/HP cards? Those trigger you aswell?

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>>55029670
>now introducing the Ultra Pro Satin Tower Ultra Deluxe Black Platinum Edition, complete with jeweler's loupe, flashlight, and card grading guide for all your autistic needs

>>55029641
What about Gitrog?

>>55029831
I have no idea. No Gitgud in my meta and I've only ever seen the cEDH version

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Threadly reminder that there are no problems with using chinamen proxies (assuming they keep a clean and crisp readable text.). only elitists give a shit, to justify to themselves they didn't waste 300$ on a piece of cardboard.

>>55029670
How did you know?

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Can anyone more familiar with the rules tell me if this card counts as one instance of lifegain or multiple? For possible use in my Karlov deck.

I would think it is one but I found someone saying otherwise so I'm not sure.

>>55028553
You don't think you'll ever use them again? It might be much better if you proxy the cards you need and play with them for a few games then wait a week before spending the cash on the expensive cards.

I realize I might get it up the ass for this but...

Where does one find these chinamen cards?

>>55030204
It's one instance, you gain it all at once.

>>55030313
Someone just told me in the last thread. Alibaba or reddit bootleg mtg.

>>55030204
The wording you want is "Whenever x happens, gain n life". Theres unfortunately not thst much seegrid tegg for that. Possible i missed some things but I remember combing for stuff. About the most interesting good thing I found was that one curse thats shitty literally everywhere else but a bomb in Karlov if you focus on the lifelinking one drop into karlov play sequence, and is perfectly on curve. Theres a few other things but they are mostly too expensive in terms of cmc for me.

>>55030313
Chinamen arent worth it for edh, youre better off getting a high quality version of the card online and making your own at kinkos or fedex or whatever. My friend did this and appearently his cost was about 23 cents a card.

>>55030204
It's one instance of lifegain as far as I know.

>>55030313
ali express, etsy, bootleg magic reddit

>>55030313
Brb, calling the WOTC police. Youre going to wizards jail, pal.

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>>55030378

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>>55026493
Wizards and Dragons

>>55030404
Is that Weird Al?

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>>55026736
Alternative

experience with RB Neheb minotaurs?

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>tfw my play group allows me to run pic related in Kallia of the vast

>>55030621
god I wish I owned mine still. Shit went up to 300 dollars.

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>>55030648
yea, I'm currently buying up all kinds of shit on tcg from Arabian while I still can, only stuff around 30-40 dollars, I'm not missing out on the buyout seasons. Didn't complete a page of all hallows eve and it kind of bummed me out. only got 6 before they hit 100.

>>55030732
When the reserve list is abolished you'll feel silly.

>>55030756
lol even if it is ( which it won't btw ) Arabian nights had such a low print run that the prices will only grow as time goes on anon. Just look at Library of Alexandria. It's cardboard cash.

Alpha, beta and unlimited berserk is another example. look at the prices next to con 2.

>>55030756
>implying cards like Jihad will ever be reprinted

>>55030732
>only 6 all hallows eve
>only 6

fuck you faggot I have to buy 3 dollar Chinese proxies because niggers like you make everything so fucking expensive.

>>55030732
I bought chinaman sets of most of alpha/beta/arabian. Costed me about $100 for everything and they look and feel incredibly real.

Gonna see if I can fool BSG.

>>55030732
>Didn't complete a page of all hallows eve and it kind of bummed me out. only got 6 before they hit 100.
Excuse me while I go vomit at the thought that people like you exist.

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>>55030916
not my fault your poor, get a good good job.
>>55030940
probably can't, if you bought them from that shit bat villa zheng who all he's good at is making is modern cards they already know what to look for.

>>55030994
villa zheng cards are kind of shit last I bought.

>>55030994
nah, its the new grade stuff. It's passing pretty much every test that isnt the blue line in the middle when you rip it.

>>55031041
I bought them just to compare because I heard they where "the best fakes" and desu they where p gud gen 6 a week ago.
>>55031055
ah, I bought his a good while ago and they where obvious as shit compared to the ones I own, still rater buy the real deal but I wouldn't be surprised if they're floating around ebay in those ((( repacks )))

>>55031133
Of course I'd rather have the real card, but honestly, the price of that shit isn't worth it. I have much better things I can invest that money in.

>>55030522
I get it but in this case it's not even close. Maybe if the Magus was a 0/6 or something but lots of white decks that want to stop creatures use wraths and Moat destroys some decks that can't remove enchantments.

Made a deck from scratch for my fairly casual playgroup. It ended up as "deals combat damage to a player" tribal. What think?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/23-08-17-ashling/?cat=custom&sort=

>>55031222
You need mickey if youre looking for upgrades

I'd love some feedback on this black white lifegain deck im brewing
https://deckstats.net/deck-13875084-5031d8419d2ad0983cde7fc4c1bc84df.html
main deck is cards i have
sideboard is cards im gonna get
I know I need to cull cards to have enough space for lands but Im bad at culling and would love some advice on what to get rid of

>>55031636
Personally I'd use karlov as the commander and put kambal into the 99. He works better with all the small "gain 1 life" cards.

>>55030732
>smug anime pic
>autist
Checks out

>>55031672
good point
I guess I was thinking kambal because I actually own without buying him
then again people might target me i I run kambal

Fuck these threads are terrible

I want to build a monocolour deck for each colour. Any suggestions for commanders or cool colour specific tech?

I'm running Feldon, Aboshan and Geth right now, but Geth is super underwhelming. I'm debating Elesh Norn or monowhite flip Avacyn, but I'm totally lost with Green.

>>55031785
Thanks for adding

>>55027590
Play all ten signets

>>55031808
Non-Shadowborn Apostle Shirei for black
Selvala for green
Sram or General Jarkeld for white

>>55030621
Go to bed, Artie.

>>55028328
There's also Withering Boon.

kaalia.

is there a more braindead, "this-is-clearly-my-first-deck" commander in the format?

>>55032080
>I play a snowflake commander and don't run removal

>>55027375
My Jhoira deck is just clone tribal. I've got a bunch of creature clones, as well as a couple fatties and board wipes. It's actually a lot of fun because either I stick something like Stormtide Leviathan with suspend and clone the shit out of it for haste swing win, or clone the shit out of whatever badass stuff everyone else has going on.

>>55032137
I've done clone tribal before and would like to try something else. Still appreciate the suggestion though.

>>55029956
PSA graded cards only, in the protected boxes of course.

>>55032109
no, she's easy to beat. just boring to play against and only run by people who are new to edh

>>55027723
>>55028328
sundial of the infinite also works... i'd rather play lord of tresserhorn in a torpor orb deck though

>>55032137
R/U artifacts. No eldrazi, just memnarch-tier combos and big dumb shit like myr turbines and unwinding clocks and artifact copiers and station combos.

>>55032223
I like the sound of this too but I'd like some kind of reference to start with.

>>55032192
She's a powerful card that basically builds her deck for you. What could possibly be attractive to new players about that?

>>55032223
Haha, suspending some fat shit and Jhoira's Timebug with Clock of Omens and Unwinding Clock everything into play.

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>>55032238
>Give me interesting deck ideas!
>Now build it for me!
Go away.

>>55032238
Just smash together Daretti and Arcum.

>>55032268
Not really what I meant. I meant something like >>55032257
Half the fun is making my own deck, I just wanted more info about what you meant by "Memnarch-tier combos" because I've never messed with Memnarch.

>>55032257
>That time theme
>Artifacts for an artificer
You're a good soul

>playgroup has several members
>two have underpowered decks that just need some tweaking
>to help them and therefore hinder myself or not
>that is the question

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So I guess since /edhg/ is the only casual mtg board, does your lgs ever do the special events for mtg? Like the "Hunt Garruk" or "Slay the Hydra" for mtg? Or even the special modes like two-headed giant at some pre-releases? I don't want to play competitive magic, and am kind of getting tired of shops just setting up matches and playing standard tournaments at game nights.

>>55032347
Stores do things that make them money, they have bills to pay and mouths to feed. If you want to change up what your local shop is doing, then you need to show them that there is more money in that then what they are already doing. Depending on the other players in the area, what you want may not be viable. Migrate to another store or give up.

>>55032343
It depends on if your friends are faggots. I'm done helping one guy because he only ever plays the exact same decks and is too fucking chickenshit to explore new decks outside of Esper Artifacts. This is a fucking guy with Breya, Sharuum, and Memnarch decks. It's fucking tedious.

>>55032339
To be fair, it's exactly what I had in mind originally, but I was unsure I could make artifacts and Suspend work together.

>>55032437
I've already given up. Luckily I'm in SoCal so there is no shortage of card shops but they're all cycled by the exact same people, until they inevitably close. Standard is cancerous, legacy and modern are fucking sperglords, and edh groups are fucking obnoxious.

Dave, why did you close Rivals? Why do I even play this game?

>>55032339
>will never have a Jodah card and just let Jhoira be happy with an immortal non-walker like herself

Fucking sucks

Do any of you play Tiny Leaders?

>>55032343
Help them get better, dont spoonfeed them cards. Teach them how to look up cards.

>>55026595
Duals. I've had them before multiple times but I always end up selling them if I want to go on vacation or something, I can't help feel my mana bases are incomplete without them, but it's just stupid holding $400 checks in your wallet for a slightly better chance of fixing your colors without pain.

>>55032546
Sounds like you just dont like playing Magic. Maybe this game isnt for you if you think that nearly every format is populated with assholes and autists.

>>55026870
>tfw I play Magus in my Sapling deck
Still wishinh I had the og Abyss

>>55032546
Have you ever considered that maybe its you that has the social problems?

>>55032635
I love Magic and have played for years. I still love playing with friends, but the lgs scene in my area has gotten awful. Like I said, the same people all frequent the shops in the area so it's kind of created this homogeneous tone to the scene. Plus the shops close down and change ownership at a freakish pace, so its tumultuous as shit. The best shops around here are actually the shops that are general game shops and not focused solely on mtg, but they're starting to decrease mtg support because of the nature of the hobby around here.

>>55032654
I really think I'm just getting too old to deal with shrieking autists and sperglords.

>>55032600
Solved format, etc etc

But I did for awhile, had a lot of fun with Anax and Cymede aggro. I like the idea of the format for allowing decks and cards to exist that can't in wider formats, but success really just got oo narrow.

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Are there any cards other than this and Fathom Trawl in Izzet colors that cause the same effect (ie putting an obscene amount of lands into your hands)?

>>55032834
And of course the first thing I notice is the Trawl doesn't do what I want. Fuck me

>>55030490
I wish, but that dude Isn't fat so much that getting his mail doesn't measure on Richter scale

>>55032820
"solved format?"

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I was looking at Gifts Ungiven and only just now realized that it's banned in commander. I expected it to be legal seeing how Intuition still is.
Is there anything else out there with a similar effect that isn't $30 like Intuition, or should I just pick one or two up? I imagine the price will only rise when people start buying them to use with Kess.

>>55033117
In a competitive non-casual setting, because of the limited card pool, the best options for the best colors and the best curves were known, with little in the way of surprise or upset. It became of matter of picking the best deck and winning. I'm just mad that speculators jumped onto and spiked prices of a bunch of cards for a fad format that is dead.

>>55033225
>I expected it to be legal

Yeah, gifts, recurring nightmare, and Sylvan primordial all have no business being on the banlist. If the world is ready for hulk then these should be fine.

That being said, I would just pick up an intuition. It's a good card and can't be reprinted, I'm surprised it hasn't shot up above 50 by now

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>>55026382
>What card would you run the heck out of if only it were cheaper?

Now if all the other obscure shit I have keeps rising in price, maybe I'll get to trade for one eventually.

>>55026493
Dragons. Didn't preorder since I am working on buying the land base first. If it spikes in price I am gonna be pissed.

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Thinking of putting this in Ur-Dragon, just being able to return a big dragon back to the battlefield seems great, especially if I can rebound it with Taigam.

>>55033569
It also mana fixes!

>>55033607

And it fixes Mana! It's definitely going in now, thanks!

>>55032546

Where in SoCal?

>>55028782
It's hard to really explain the reasoning. I "understand" the sentiment, but I can't clearly put into words how it works.

If I was to make my best attempt, commander is sorta balanced by virtue of costs. You don't see Gaea's Cradel in every deck, so it isn't really common for someone to have all the most expensive shit in one deck. Usually this "budget factor" plays a big role in expected power levels and such. Very few people will honestly spend that much on a deck that won't win them money.

So when you see a deck with that 300$ card in it, it's like a unicorn with oohs and aahs. Then people talk about how they got the card ect. It's a social norm I guess.

When Kenny walks in with a deck made entirely of proxies he printed out (or at least the expensive cards), it feels very disengenuine. He put togeather a deck with expensive shit to win by not spending a dime.

Commander is a social, more laid back format. It isn't the place for someone to play competitively. If you were to do the same thing in a tournament setting, you would get thrown out. So why would you do it to the people you play casually with?

>>55033853
But what if he wasn't to run casual, and totally not oppressive cards, like The Abyss that are only expensive by virtue of low availability?
It's not their fault Chains of Mephestos is a $300 card!

>>55033483
The only cards that should be unbanned are Recurring Nightmare, Yawgmoths Bargain, Sway of the Stars and Worldfire

>>55033853
In this way, Commander is somewhat reminiscent of the original concept for Magic. Cards like the Power Nine were designed with the idea that people wouldn't really be spending a lot of money on Magic and any given person may have a single one of those cards. The decks a person could build owning a single Mox Emerald aren't anywhere near as degenerate as what someone would build with free access to all of them.

With EDH, the fact most people have multiple decks tends to naturally divide their expensive and degenerate cards as they choose what decks are best served by those cards.

>>55034146
>Yawgmoths Bargain, Sway of the Stars and Worldfire
>Cheaper Grizelbrand
>Cards that no one wants unbanned because they'll be combo'd with Teferi's Protection or suspended Rift Bolt

>>55034165
Also the spirit of the format keeps the degeneracy at bay that is the downfall of 60 card kitchen table.

>>55027375
jhoira was the general for my coin flip/stupid shit deck before I upgraded for narset and I honestly miss it like that. Narset has a tendency to out value people to death without even trying whereas Jhoira felt much more interactive and in tune with the rest of the table.

>>55034211
>Teferis Protection
>12 mana in RW, the worst color combo
>Rift Bolt
>kills one guy

>>55034146
Recurring Nightmare is banned because it's almost immune to removal.

Sway of the Stars is banned because it's basically "Okay, pack up this game and start over. Now we're going to play a fun Commander variant where you aren't allowed to mulligan and only have 7 life. Good luck." It's even more of a shitpost than Warp World or Scrambleverse.

Worldfire is banned because they didn't have the foresight to make it empty everyone's mana pools, so you just exile everything, put everyone to 1 life, and cast your commander. It fails to actually put the game into sudden death mode, because you have the advantage of your commander.

I shouldn't have to explain Yawgmoth's Bargain.

>>55034311
>Yawgmoth's Bargain.

do so

>>55034324
It's Yawgmoth's Bargain.

>>55034311
I can see Recurring Nightmare staying I guess
Worldfire too
Sway of the Stars shouldnt be since the only way to save your stuff is Teferis Protection
Yawgmoths Bargain I dont get, isnt Necropotence just as good, ones half the mana and you wait the others double and you dont wait

>>55034324
Do you want Griselbrand explained as well?

Sure, you can't entomb a yawgmoth's bargain but it's a hell of a lot easier to dark ritual it out then draw half your deck and combo out for easy wins.

>>55034371
I just want to run my foil copy

>>55034357
>Sway of the Stars shouldnt be since the only way to save your stuff is Teferis Protection

There are also Suspend cards and effects like Quarantine Field or Sudden Disappearance.

It's nothing to do with combos using it though. It's mostly it's the fact that if it behaves exactly as it's expected to without any abuse, it just starts the game over but turns it to shit.

>>55034357
>Necropotence just as good
Triple black, harder to cast in multicolored.
Delayed draw, makes exiles cards you discard and puts the cards into your hand just before you have to check for hand limit.
Bargain puts the cards into your hand immediately and can't be responded to because you can just activate it again when they target it.
You'll still be able to cast sorcery speed spells and creatures since the cards aren't coming into your hand at the end step.

It's a staggering difference when your decks are cEDH level.

I'm building one of each monocolor deck but for green I can't decide between Omnath or Yisan. Which one do you guys think is more fun to play? What are come cool themes/tek I could use for either? I'd probably focus on X spells and mana dumps for Omnath, or a casual toolbox control thing for Yisan.

>>55034423
>Quarantine Field

Whoops, that's only other people's stuff. Should've just gone with O-Ring.

>>55030732
I have an idea, how about we not buy Shahrazad at all just to spite your idiot kike ass.

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Do any of you guys run O-ring or Cast Out?
They're not exactly hard removal like Devouring Light or Path but they still have their uses in some scenarios, right?

>>55034532
O-Ring even more so. In the right deck it can easily be hard removal by getting rid of it with the ETB trigger still on the stack. It's probably why O-Ring is in the top 10 white cards. Hanna is especially good at that sort of thing.

>>55034532
I run Cast Out mainly because it's intant and I wanted removal to tutor with Enlightened Tutor. It can also be cycled and then "reanimated"

>>55034572
>O-ring
>can be abused for hard removal, 1 mana less
>Cast out
>Flash, cycling
I like O-ring, but if you want an approach like that Fiend Hunter is typically the way to go since he can be flickered and sacrificed much easier.
Of course he can't hit problematic enchantments or artifacts, but having an O-ring without the ability to ditch it before the exile trigger resolves can be a bit problematic in itself.

>>55034532
O-ring and Cast Out still have their place as all purpose single target removal. Bonus points if you have a re-usable option to bounce them back to hand so you can keep exiling commanders.

>>55032080
Krenko? Azusa lost but seeking? Narrow gnawer

>>55026493
I kind of want to get the Wizards deck, but I have no clue if it's going to be an actually good purchase.

>>55034371
Griselbrand makes instant sense. The other not so much to me

>>55034836
Oh shit nigger, disregard that. I was confusing Bargain with Will.

>>55034849
Will is still a nasty card, it just doesn't shine in EDH.
There's a reason why it's banned or restricted in every format.

>>55034927
That I can see, but I was mixing the two up and didn't know why people were so opposed to it. Makes sense now

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>>55032080
>tfw I traded pic related to a newbie for a Wheel he had lying around

Kaalia is very much the definition of entry level. Then they lose a game or two, get bored, and build Talrand or Baral so they can say "Island go xD" every single turn and counter Sakura-Tribe Elders to their hearts content.

>>55028216
with mana

>>55031808
Doing the same thing, I have Neheb for red, baral for blue and I'm building kemba for white and Marrow-Gnawer in black.
I still have to find an interting mono green commander who is not attack.dec or ramp.dec

>>55032080
Hasn't Meren, or Atraxa, challenged that title long ago?

>>55035197
Meren might need a little more input. Gotta look at curve a bit I guess?

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What decks have you guys taken apart that you miss now? pic related

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>>55035233
People had too many hurt feelings from it.

>>55035233
My 1v1 Olivia Rakos Control deck. They hated how their commanders would literally never live long enough to do anything or how their hand was always empty.

But I loved her.

>>55035205
Kaalias a joke but any 3 color nonG deck takes more input than the fucking golgari memeQueen

>>55035293
>Rakos Control

How were you able to keep up with decks that were actually good at generating value like Golgari, Sultai, or Abzan?

>>55034927

Will is insane in any graveyard based deck senpai

hmm
people say satin towers fit double sleeved cards but mine look full already and i got maybe 20 cards to go

do i just shove em in?

>>55035423
they are probs filled with air

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>>55035321
>sheeple hating a precon commander because its better than their shit pet card, stay salty broham

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How do I make her work /edhg/?
Please do not say Angels.dec

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>>55035450

>>55035433
probably. i looked up a quick dragon shield sleeve video and they said to press down on the cards which i've done, but maybe not hard enough

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>>55035450

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>>55035450

>>55035450
Run lots of cards that let you put cards from opponents decks into the graveyard, exile cards (of your choice) from graveyards, board wipes that destroy creatures, ect.

You want to survive to turn 8 (obviously) so run lots and lots of removal and graveyard manipulation cards. That way, when you get a "random creature" you can control what it is.

That or just run a lot of shit that lets you untap her indefinitely so you just play yoyr opponents graveyards.

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>>55035445
>comparison is one precon commander to another

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>>55029907
>>55030313
>>55030369
Stop supporting communism, it's not the 'MURICAN way!

>>55035233
Ghave
i miss it but my friends doesn't.

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>>55030732
Good luck trying to recoup your money in 3-5 years time, as that will be the required time to organically grow that investment.

I don't get this buyout craze. The -real- money is in old complete sets, P9 and sealed product. Buying out a single card feels very much like buying toxic assets.

>>55030621
>>55030648
>>55030732
What I'm not seeing here is "Where's the demand?"

Like, you buyout Shahrazad and hike the price way up and then who are you selling them to? Who the fuck cares about Shahrazad? The reason they had been relatively cheap despite being ancient is because nobody really wanted them. At the inflated price, good fucking luck offloading them.

>>55035633
Part of it is that if anybody does want one they will have to shell out, and magic players DO shell out. But the majority of the demand is artificial. Get in early on a buyout when a card is 30, wait until they climb to 100+, then sell them quickly for 20$ less than what everyone else is charging. You are likely selling to other "investors" and cutting yourself out of some profit, but it flips very quickly.

>>55035450
Probably can't, honestly.
How strong are we talking?

>>55035450
>turn 8
>guess i'll play my tariel
>gets destroyed as soon as it hits battlefield

good turn anon

>>55036161
You should at least have some haste granting effect.

>>55035790
What a disgusting concept.

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>>55034532
I run this in every white deck, regularly puts in work

>>55026493
I bought all of last year's decks but after seeing the lists for this year, I'm just going to order a few singles. The manabases are fucking garbage and there are basically no worthwhile reprints. I'll just get a few of the new legends and hope that next year is more interesting.

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>Thread Question

Pic related would appear in like half of all decks if it wasn't nearly a thousand dollars.

>>55034827
any of them are good purchases because they are filled with staples that you can use for other decks or to trade. that said the wizards one looks like the weakest to play with out of the box but its the one with the most potential after upgrading it.

I dont know if I should get the wizards or the dragons deck. I've always liked dragons and already own a bunch of the cards that would go in there minus the shocks which would be pretty much the only upgrade I'd need to buy, but I'm afraid that I will get bored of it so fast because there's nothing much to playing dragons. also I already have a Xenagod deck. Wizards in the other hand looks much more interesting to play with but I don't even know if I can build it so that it can hold up against other decks without it being degenerate. plus, Id have to spend more money on upgrading it, and there's also a grixis pirate commander that I was interested in. what to do?

>>55027723
Withering boon, phyrexian reclamation. Counter her when she comes in, return her to your hand, cast normally.

>>55036893
A lot of people are underestimating Ur-dragon.
He's not the toolkit that Scion is but that passive cost reduction will let you drop some nasty shit on curve, assuming you do something about the manabase.
Run a Dragonlord Dromoka and some other Dosan effects to make sure you can cast him late game and his ability will make for massive snowballing since you're paying 9 mana for a 10/10 that will most likely draw you a card and let you drop a card for free on each of your turns from now on.

If we're talking straight out-of-the-box wizards needs the least improvement before it can start doing some mighty degenerate things, like Venser, Panharmonicon, Sundial, Ashnod's and so forth.

>>55037032
not saying ur dragon is not good. cost reduction is very powerful. I mean its a straightforward deck to play. you ramp, play dragons and swing. with wizards you can play control and then at times use inalla's ability to deal direct damage to someone, then do blue senanigans to untap them and do it again, and then take an extra turn and repeat, and so on. and yes id need those cards you mentioned but many many more. Id keep like 10 from the precon and some lands. maybe im better off buying the singles for that deck

>>55037167
If you think hard enough almost every deck becomes straight forward.
>Draw/tutor into powerful shit
>use certain cards to abuse it
>set yourself up for win

I really want to run Dragons tribal with an enchantment subtheme, Ur-dragon is perfect for cheating out all the expensive shit you typically have to forego a creature drop or two for.

>>55032477
Wow fuck that guy

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How am I supposed to make a decent artifact ramp in Boros? Should I just accept that there are no good rocks besides Signet and fewer Dual lands than Allied Colors?

>>55037430
Boros cluestone and keyrune do RW but thats about it

>>55037430
Did you even look?

>>55037458
Yeah, but I think I might be overlooking a lot of stuff.
I'm currently using the Diamonds cycle but I think they are Bad. But I don't know if they are worse than 3 mana rocks.

>>55037430
>there are no good rocks besides Signet

Thought Vessel and Mind Stone are good. Prismatic Lens is acceptable. Prismatic Lens might seem odd, but the fact it comes in untapped lets you play rocks or other things off it so it doesn't hurt your curve too much. Star Compass is the next tier down. If you're really desperate, you can even go on to Fractured Powerstone.

>>55037430
I like cultivators caravan, its a mana rock you can crew and swing with

>>55037430
Chromatic Lantern, Thran Dynamo, Gilded Lotus, Sol Ring

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>Thread Question

pic related

>>55037478
Diamonds are legit

When looking for Boros ramp, pick from these.
>Sol Ring
>Mana Vault
>Mana Crypt if you can afford it
>Grim Monolith, again if the price tag isn't your concern. It's not as good as Crypt though.
>Boros Signet
>Fire Diamond
>Marble Diamond
>Coldsteel Heart
>Thought Vessel
>Mind Stone
>Prismatic Lens
>Everflowing Chalice
>Heart of Ramos
>Tooth of Ramos
>Magnifying Glass if you value some extra slow draw
>Worn Powerstone
>Hedron Archive
>Commander's Sphere
>Darksteel Ingot
>Thran Dynamo

With the last five being more dubious

>>55037430
It depends on budget, and how important it is for you to hit your colours with every rock.

There's sol ring and mana crypt as a given (depending on budget for the latter).

EDH-legal moxes such as mox opal, chrome mox, mox diamond depending on budget and deck.

If you need coloured mana badly, there's coldsteel heart, diamonds cycle or loads of 3 coloured rocks.

Cheap but reasonable 2 mana colourless rocks: fellwar stone, mind stone, everflowing chalice.

Allied colours have an easier time though.

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>>55037540
>suggesting Chrome Mox in the color combo with some of the biggest issues with cars advantage.

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Hello new friends!

I need help building a deck, really want to build around stealing/copying things and torn between Rubinia or Merieke.

Merieke would give me options to reanimate which is a cool way of stealing things, but Rubinia has green so ramping into stealing effects without her would be a lot easier.

Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing? Which would lets you steal/copy better? Not really expecting to win many games, just more for fun really.

>>55037864
>cars advantage

R/W has a lot of Vehicle support, anon.

>wizards reprints shitty sun titan, shitty inferno titan, and shitty cavern of souls

why not just reprint the actual cards?

>>55026382
>What card would you run the heck out of if only it were cheaper?
consecrated sphinx

>>55026493
i ordered all of them for like 120 shipped. i buy all the commander decks every year

>>55027375
jhoira is pretty much only good when you suspend a bunch of eldrazi and the blow everything up

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>>55035515

>>55037954
Because Sun Titan is not a vampire, Inferno Titan is not a dinosaur and Cavern of Souls is not an uncommon

>>55037999
and? your point?

>>55038009
That you need to be drawn and quartered.

>>55037995
That made my morning.

>>55037430
>any year
>not running the best manarock of all: sculpting steel

>>55038009
wotc is pushing the fuck out of tribal now, for some reason

>>55037864
>chrome mox ramp into wheel of fortune

>>55038053
>for some reason
tribal deck literally build and play themselves so they make new players and casuals love it cause they dont have to put any thought into what they are doing which WotC is actively trying to sell to

>>55038053
>for some reason
Tribal is fun is a good reason to me

Also, they're not really pushing tribal with the not!Titans, it's probably because Giant doesn't fit in Ixalan
Don't forget Ixalan is a new plane, not a reprint set, they can't print whatever they want in it

>>55038079
>>55037999
>>55037954
Also, I don't know if any of you guys remember, but the Titans kind of dominated the fuck out of their very long Standard cycle.

>>55038095
>but the Titans kind of dominated the fuck out of their very long Standard cycle.

who cares? wotc actively let a turn 4 infinite combo be in standard for like 2 ban cycles

>>55038110
>the format sucked before why not just make it suck forever

>>55038138
standard is a complete shit show that no one actually cares about outside of a few try hards who are too poor to play modern, if it sucks there is quite literally nothing of value lost

>>55028559

There are too few errata'd dinos for them to fill more than 2-3 slots. Gishark will essentially be Ixalan dino block constructed with a few changelings and K-grip, swords, paths, and vandalblast

>>55038079
>Tribal is fun

i only see tribals as restrictive. all the effects are familiar from other older cards, except they're restricted to some specific creature type (see vampire sun titan), and that's somehow supposed to be interesting?

i really don't understand how people can find it fun to drop tribal anthems on curve to make their shitty vanilla 3/2 beaters into vanilla 6/5 beaters. there's really nothing interesting about that whatsoever. i even sexually identify as a timmy with johnny tendencies, so i don't understand who finds this garbage fun

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>>55033225
Speaking of reserved list foils,

Hnnng

>>55038110
If you don't care about Standard, then why would reprints of a $3 card matter to you? You can just buy one of the older prints for EDH.

>>55038167
>(see vampire sun titan)
It doesn't care about the creature type though.

You also forgot something else:
Fun. Is. Subjective.

>>55031636
id say drop soulcage tavern swindler apothecary initiate, and smolder initiate

>>55038170
>If you don't care about Standard, then why would reprints of a $3 card matter to you?
because instead of reprinting the actual cards which are actually expensive and desperately need reprints which will be used in eternal formats forever wizards decided to print shitty versions of them that will be played for all of a year before becoming useless while the actual version will continue to rise in price and continue to be prohibitive to players getting into other formats

are you stupid or something? i feel like that was pretty obvious

>>55035323

rakdos control is incredibly easy to build. Lots of land destruction, discard, non-targeted removal.

there's ton of shit you can recurr like fulminator mages, you have insane tutor and card draw, and u can put wheels in it to make the combo player hate you even more

>>55037430

coldsteel heart and the diamons are mandatory in each deck

>>55038207
>$3 cards
>expensive
Unless you're shifting goal posts, I'm pretty sure neither Sun Titan not Inferno Titan are going to get expensive. Plus they've both been reprinted in commander sets.

>>55038246
>cavern of souls is a 3 dollar card

the old pretending to be retarded trick i see

>>55038230
>>55038207
>>55038167
>>55038190
>no punctuation
Why do you still post here? Everyone hates you.

>>55037876
Both Rubinia and Merieke synergize with effects that allow you to untap your own creatures (Do so in response to the steal ability and you can steal multiple on the same condition) but Merieke has the decency to kill, rather than surrender, her victim if she untaps, dies, or gets stolen herself. Also, since Merieke's theft duration is as long as you control her and her "Get rid of that old thing" mechanism is destruction, if you can give her hostage(s) indestructible you can untap her to steal more without losing the old stuff, while Rubinia gives back what she stole if she ever untaps, so you'll have to sac it or let it go once you've done your "initial" stealing frenzy. The difference in their abilities is several points in Merieke's favor. The sole point here in Rubinia's favor is that you can just willingly untap her if you want to steal more different shit while you need to use an external source of untap to bring Merieke back online. (but you should be running approximately all of those anyway)

Both of these bitches will have targets painted on them the instant they're on the battlefield. Rubinia's is worse, since your opponents can get their stuff back at least in theory if they crack her open. Neither one of them has a really good defensive ability (Regeneration, indestructible, shroud/hexproof) so they're going to be relying on your help to live. Rubinia is technically a 2/3 to Merieke's 1/1 but if you think those two points of toughness are going to matter in EDH, even against red, what are you smoking and why aren't you sharing? Call this a wash.

In terms of color identity, I think you're right that Rubinia is a little stronger. But IMO the key word is 'little'. Bant and Esper are the two most potent arc identities, and while Esper lags a little except in Artifacts and Combo, the effect of color identity on power level is pretty negligible compared to other factors like budget and choice of commander.

>>55038289
to make you upset personally because you are a massive faggot who gets upset of dumb shit

>>55038257
Cavern just got reprinted. The new land is an uncommon, so it'll show up more in drafts.

>>55038306

Lastly, Rubinia costs two mana more than Merieke. True, green gives you better ramp, but artifact ramp is already pretty good and that's basically a round of commander tax right at the start, which really hurts if you want to be doing enough stealing to actually oppress board. Merieke can come down before other players have really developed their board and set their plans in motion, at five mana Rubinia generally won't, and again it's easier to recover from Rubinia than from Merieke.

Of the two, I think it's pretty clear that I'd take Merieke. They are both pretty fun commanders, with the potential to go really mean. Rubinia can run Spitting Image, which is good fun, but Merieke could put The Scarab God in her 99 so that even death ceases to be an escape from her. In the end, its going to come down to a few factors: do you want it to be harder to stay ahead when you reset, or to reset at all? How much does your meta value speed? Are you willing to play the graveyard game or are you up against Meren and friends where you need to hate it out instead? Which one is Your Waifu?.

My ultimate recommendation is to use tappedout to brew a list for each, then the playtest feature to see how they feel in a vacuum -- when you come online, what it takes to get your engine running, and so forth. True the more interactive elements of your deck like counters and protection won't get their workouts, but you might be able to gauge a difference

Lastly, a little tech for either one of them
>Swiftstride Boots/Lighting Greaves
>Magewright's Stone
>Thousand-year Elixir
>Rings of Brighthearth
>Freed from the Real
>Umbral Mantle
>Ashnod's Altar/Phyrexian Altar (Yes even in Merieke, might as well get some value out of a chump and she will eat boards alive with Ashnod's and Umbral)

>>55038169
This is one I missed in the last thread. Xantcha needs an actual legend.

>>55038309
Pretty sure you're the one having temper tantrums and going on tirades, m8.

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>>55037954
>Reprint Cavern
>It goes down to maybe $30

>Print new, Uncommon Cavern
>It'll be like $1

Ultimately, the new card is going to help a whole hell of a lot more people.

>>55038316
>just got reprinted
>in a masters set for 10 dollars a pack
>in a set that wasnt opened anywhere even close to that of a normal set
>reprint didnt even impact the price

its not the same and you fucking know it, the masters set do nothing to the price of high end cards

>>55038316
The new land lacks the most important part about Cavern. It's nowhere near as good.

>>55038361
That's why it's uncommon
This card was created with Limited and Standard in mind

>>55034451
Yisan was my choice for monogreen. He just seems super fun. Just dont search the same fucking cards every single game like a linear autist.
>5 drop acidic slime blow up your land :) every game

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>>55033853
ok everything you just wrote sounded like pointless wishy washy bullshit to me

it's blatantly obvious that you aren't even trying to be unbiased about this. you fabricated a story about someone who plays gaea's cradle in a casual EDH game gets nothing but compliments and adorement, and then some fucking kenny douchebag walks in with 30 BILLION PROXIES and everyone hates him for playing gaea's cradle because it's made of plastic and not wotc(tm) cardboard. i'm surprised you didn't have kenny run out of the store in tears and have the whole LGS clap

in the end, either the card is too good for casual EDH or it isn't. no one is going to start asking about the authenticity of a Sol Ring alter because that card is less than a dollar despite being really strong. i often complain about Sol Ring and Mana Crypt ruining EDH games, but only complaints about Mana Crypt get me called a poorfag. apparently it's inconceivable to dislike an expensive card for any reason other than le sour grapes strawman

if someone brings a gaea's cradle to a casual table, chances are it's a "that guy" regardless whether the card is real or not. either he is starting an arms race with a fake card, which makes him a dickhead, or he's driving up the group power level with a real card, which means he's a dickhead who is 300 dollars poorer than the other guy

also lmao what is this line

>Commander is a social, more laid back format. It isn't the place for someone to play competitively. If you were to do the same thing in a tournament setting, you would get thrown out. So why would you do it to the people you play casually with?

first you say that EDH is definitely not a competitive format and that it's casual, and then you immediately jump to compare casual EDH to a tournament setting, and then you jump back to claim that you shouldn't proxy in casual EDH because you wouldn't be able to do it in competitive tournament EDH (which doesn't even exist)

i bet you're a binder system user too

>>55038167
I can see where you're coming from, but you're oversimplifying. Vampires, for example, can be interesting individual creatures. Captivating Vampire, OG Drana, OG Olivia, New Kalitas.
There's more to them than just attacking. Now with the new vampire commander aristocrats in edh is more viable than ever.

>>55038230
>come in tapped
No, they're really not

>>55026412
Crucible of worlds

>>55027375
Go with things that are interesting to suspend. Clone effects, wheels, anything that alerts the board to two important facts:
1. You aren't immediately going for eldrazi titan extra turn omniscience, which won't do a lot to get the target off your back but might at least get them to give you breathing room, and
2. Create political situations. With a wheel inbound, people are going to want to play out their good cards in a hurry, and with a clone effect, people will try to hold on to their good cards until after it hits. It's difficult to go political when most players will be at your throat, but not impossible.

Try to divide your deck into two thirds "Things I don't need or want to suspend" and one third "Things I probably don't want to hardcast or will need to be suspended", and have a subtheme for both.

>>55039167

Name a 2cmc colored mana source that comes into play untapped

>>55041045
signets
talismans

>>55041045
Signets, talismans, Fellwar Stone.

Colored mana isn't as important as a rock coming in untapped when it comes to monocolor and 2c.

>>55028624
Going in Oloro!

>>55041136
Why?