Infinity General: September Releases Edition

>>55021009
Umbra are stupid and ugly. Bring back the crabitalists.

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>>55020580
>mfw Uhahu not S1

Any info if those stats are missions only or for keeps? I don't think they would preview new Druze models without updating them, but profile wide Fatality 1, jeez.

Are the Druze rules actually sectorial rules or are they just for Outrage?

Does anyone know if/when new Sectorials will be released? Particularly looking at Tunguska and Vedic?

Also Icestorm or Red Veil? Why?

>>55021139
If you're completely ambivalent about the miniatures Red Veil. It's newer so the terrain is better. It's got a more diverse set of care buildings and the starter missions are better designed for newbs.

Also the forces themselves are better considering you get a Flaccid Al (p gud boy), and everything else you'd really want if you were starting either faction.

In Icestorm you get the Nomad Healer who is average tier, grenzer who is meh, brigada is ok but it's nothing you really need. Pano gives you a orc which is like a joke.

>>55021139
"Soon". But a set date is not given.

Red Veil, simply because Yu Jing is my faction and I like the little terrain bridges. They're both about equal though, so pick the factions you like more.

>>55021073
What do you mean?
Druze are in Quapu Khali is there another list for them?
>>55021139
Supposidly not untill mid next year, though they might do a similiar thing to Usariadna.
Which faction speaks more to you? Or are you asking which works better as a 2-player kit?

>>55021256
See last thread. Seems like a list for Outrage missions rather than wholly new sectorial. Paradiso had similiar kind of list for "Ariadna" acting as the Aurora security detail for the prologue missions.

>>55021056
Remember Fatality L1 is just +1 damage to BS weapons, which is cool but not fucked up crazy like L2.

>>55021223
>ORC
>joke

Kurwa!

>>55021338
Saw it.
Yeah it seems to be svenraio only lists though druze might become quite unique

>>55021352
No, but it still results in a DAM16 HMG and DAM14 Chain Rifles.

>>55021023
Someone draw craftyexrah.jpg

>>55021073
Outrage for now, but this might be a beta test for their upgrade (and IIRC we've seen new box renders at Gencon, featuring HMG and marksman rifle)

I'm guessing the Druze profiles are something they are working on for White Stars, but not something that is ready yet.

Seems there's also a new specialist operative loadout for Bashis. 16 points, rifle+light shotgun.

>>55021256
Mostly about Two player kit. My problem is that my preference is Nomads > YuJing > Haqq > PanO

>>55021223
>>55021239
Ty for ur input

We have now gone several threads without any Infinity porn created or posted. I am appalled at this state of affairs.

>>55022478
It's almost like we have actual discussion going on with new units and sculpts being previewed.

>>55022558
>actual discussion

As he said. Apalling.

>>55022558
Seriously. What is this bullshit.

lewds when

>>55022478
We need some good Sygmaa or Morat stuff. Filthy humans are all over the place already, but there's no edgy artichoke butts to be found.

>>55022878

That's because absolutely nobody with talent or taste finds artichoke-people attractive.

>>55022123
See if you can find a friend that's interested in splitting the box with you. They might be into PanO

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>>55022900
Disgusting Trinomial loyalists may leave a poor first impression, but the Sygmaa Trihedron produces only the most beautiful lettuceheads.

>>55022900
Hey, artichokes taste quite good.

Are Nomads TAGs any good? Specifically Szalamandras? If the art is anything like the model the new one should be awesome looking.

>>55023597
It's pretty standard, but solid. All the usual TAG tactics apply. It's harder to hack than most which is nice, and burst 5 is always fun.

As for the other ones, Lizzy is just worse Szally unless you plan on using the HGL, Iggy is a great disposable killy dude, and Geckos are essentially fat HI.

>>55023597
Every Nomad Tag is playable. Sally is actually their big hitter. Its their most expensive tag and has no real fancy tricks. Just a brutal gun and loads of armor.

If youve never run a tag before, it can be a power trip exactly how strong they are. Tags are horrifyingly strong in exchange for their cost. They can be beaten but they will chew up supposed badasses pne after the other.

>>55023597
Yeah, Szalamandra is just a big bully type of TAG with a rare and powerful gun. It does the job.

>>55023933
I hate that Machete. I'd cut it off. Maybe make the Blackjack carry a cooler full of ice cold Coca-Cola.

>>55023933
The outline reminds me of Heavy Gear, but I start hearing the Exo squad theme on closer inspection.

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Hey Infinity General!
What is your favorite unit from a themes/lore perspective? Favorites for me include the Yu Jing Domaru, Morat Diplomats, and The Avatar.
But my favorites are these guys and gals.

>It will take more than automatic gunfire to end me. I am Mbeli, the guardian spirit. In the storm and in the night… I protect my people.

>>55023940
Just remember not to let it get to your head. If your opponent knows what they're doing your TAG can and will go down like a sack of shit if you don't protect it. Head back to a safe spot at the end of your active turn and make outranging/flanking as difficult as possible. TAGs are unique in that if they appear in the list, they are the list. Everything else just exists to support them.

>>55024024
>not hearing the Exo Squad theme at all times

>>55020067
Do not lose hope comrade. Ebay still has some joans with the painting book left. Seemed decent as fuck spending 40 burger bux for a single mini. Plus when i get an airbrush it will come in handy.

Gencon 50 Seminar:

https://youtu.be/1WadBuq8Em0


>>55024099
For me the Hassassin Ayyar takes the cake for the best blend of Fluff, Looks, and In-game performance.

The Tiger Soldier's a close second.

I like the background theme/design of Uberfallkommandos moreso than the actual models and in-game performance. Pretty out there.

I also like Aragoto, Ghazi Muttawi'ah, and Yuan Yuan in fluff and background terms, although I have some trouble actually pronouncing the last one correctly. I just generally have a liking for aggressive people.

Man I wish I could get my hands on the ayyara model, it looks so good. Sadly some dude bought up all of them and the store no longer sells them

>>55024428
Seems like loss for the store.

>>55024099
Kuang Shi. They're just so wonderfully fucked up.

>>55024099
Zeroes. Because they never die.

HAHAHAHAHA

>>55024452
not really store sold all models.

>>55024428
Eastern Europe again?

>>55024713
Yes, but you could order online instead. Unless this happens on some godforsaken corner of Earth, where importing anything is a hassle.

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This model better come with madtraps.

>>55025124
He said it would. Though hacker can't take them.

>>55025223
The scale creep is real.

>>55025261
>Scale creep
They're the same height from ground to head. The blackjack just has a bunch of shit on him

>>55025325
Well, technically they all have bunch of shit on their human torso, blackie just has some more.

>>55025261
How tho?

>>55024739
opposit side of the world. Am from NZ.
>>55024834
sadly it is. Far away from Spain.

>>55025261
>scale creep
it's just a burger suit, m8

>>55025593
Have you asked your store to order some more?

>>55025874
yes. They said the same thing they always say when they run out of stuff. "wait for the next big order" aka 2-3 months wait time.

>>55025223
>we Centurions now

>>55025124
Not sure that model is needed, the existing one already covers all profiles nicely, I think.
It's neat and all, but still...

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>>55024099
Daktari, because it goes perfectly with the model.

>>55025223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3SK1CawWFw
Wanzers, move out!

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>>55025998
Using nuGW-speak on anything

>>55025998
They're not commanding 100 men. They're barely in groups of up to 20 men and women.

>>55026093
>>55026051
>romemind

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>>55025223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRKWUY9DCco

>>55026364
This one is different, a whole new breed.

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>>55026430
It really looks a lot like the heavy-duty hardsuits Mackie and the AD Police were using, rather than the slim, Knight-Saber-esque suits of PanO and YJ.

>>55026364
Man, the AD police always got a short straw.

>>55025593
Miniature Market's NZ shipping's like 20 USD for shit the size of Icestorm/OCF 300 pt. pack/etc.

>>55021223
> brigada is ok but it's nothing you really need
>You don't need armor
>You don't need multiple wounds
>You don't need HMG
>You don't need Lieutenants
>You don't need hackers

...you play Infinity in a very strange way.

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>>55021223
>Flaccid Al

Say that to my face and not on the internet and see what happens.

>>55026854
Yeah, it's more like Al "Spreads his seed" Fassid.

>>55021223

You think BS 14 on an ARM 4 model with 2 wounds and a HMG is a joke?

>>55022086

> new specialist operative loadout for Bashis

I swear to Allah this is the greatest news I have heard today.

>>55022478
>>55022587
>>55022677

>I'm going to complain instead of post content

There are plenty of artists who will do lewds for commission. Stop whining about not getting free stuff.

>>55026967
Paying for my lewds??? In the internet???

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Posting a Volunteer I mentioned in the last thread.

>>55025406
Okay. The BJ has bulkier shit. The T2 Sniper is really huge for some reason.

>>55022677
What kind of lewds

>>55022086
So BS is even more pointless.

>>55026838
Brigada is a bit basic and his only Lt profile is the MR+Light Ft. It's not a bad profile, but in generic Nomads he's certainly outshined by his S5 companions in the killing game and by hackers in being Lt and specialist. I mean
>bringing up Brigada hacker when you have access to Interventors and Custodiers
Even Securitate is better at hacking than MB.

Good on a Missile Launcher tho, assuming you're not taking Grenzer. And a BSG Lt profile is rumored.

>>55024308
>Hassassin Ayyar takes the cake for the best blend of Fluff, Looks, and In-game performance.

You are my brother. Two souls separated only by blood.

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>>55024099

>>55026981

Yeah. If it's important enough for you to bitch about it's important enough for you to spend money on it.

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>>55026993
Also painted gencon specops. A very simple paintjob

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>>55027140
And finally, a WIP shot of the new Mormaer

>>55027078

>bringing up Brigada hacker when you have access to Interventors and Custodiers


Why do you completely ignore the fact that there are objectives that care about highest point value specialists?

Why do you have no respect for a specialist that is capable of taking a bullet like a champ? Mobile Brigada can not only take an objective, but also secure it himself

>>55027078
>Brigada is a bit basic

Basic, sure, but to say "has nothing you really need" is a complete lie.

>>55021009

>Shikami

Goddamn that is a sexy motherfucker

>>55027189
Because there's better specialists available? You're better off spending points on Zeroes and FO remotes and let Brigada do the fighting, instead of being a mediocre hacker and fighter at the same time.
MB hacker is for Corregidor only.

>>55027295


> instead of being a mediocre hacker and fighter at the same time

You are severely underestimating the power of utility. And a Combi Rifle is plenty strong to kill people in this game.

>Mobile Brigada hacker is good in Corregidor

Why are we even arguing? You agree with me.

>>55027295

>Because there's better specialists available?

Um, Riot Grrl is the only other Nomad HI specialist. What are you talking about?

>>55027078
They say BS Brigada gets a lt. option, mainly so the Corregidor 300 box is even somewhat legal.

>>55027397
>forgetting Geckos

>>55024099
Jungle Jesus for being worldchamp at hide-n-seek. Otherwise, the Zhanying drunk detective for that Noire feeling.

>>55025124
>dat ass

>>55028385

>TAGS are HI

>>55028496
>Geckos aren't HI on steroids

>>55027012
No, it's an excellent sculpt you can give a rifle or SMG to.

>>55028534

>Geckos aren't HI

You are correct.

>>55025124
Really like this model. I might pick it up just to paint it

>>55028588
>Giving smg to bs bashi sculpt
>Not using qt smg bashi

>>55028491
>dat ass
The Madtraps are there to glue you down while she sits on your face.

>>55028638
Because it's shit. If I wanted to use mutants I'd play Bakunin.

>>55028670
>not playing bakunin

>>55028491
What is jungle jesus?

>>55029121
From far away it looks like the fuerbach sogarat

>>55029118
Lt. Stephen Rao for ASA

>>55029138
it's literally the exact same pose

which sucks because I love my soggy and nomads but having these 2 on the same shelf will look retarded

>>55029121
Good thing they labeled it, it's easy to mistake it for nuAvatar.
Oh right, nuAvatar has the shitty Xeodrone pose.

So, I thought I might finally paint the Asura I have hanging around on my shelf, so I looked at her stats again and weeeew now I remember why she's been sitting there for the past three or four years.

Why are these bitches so incredibly overcosted? NWI is great and all but holy shit, how does this thing deserve to be more expensive than a HMG Swiss Guard? The Hackers should have MULTI rifles and the Spitfire variant should have, like, an AP Spitfire or something.

>>55029729
>complaining about Asuras
what in the fuck

>>55029729
MSV3 my dude.

If the hacker got a free multi rifle I'd be happy.

Heck give em all a free sensor too.

>>55029729

http://wiki.infinitythegame.com/en/Multispectral_Visor

What the flying fuck are you even bitching about?

Do you seriously not fight against camouflage?

>>55029848
...or smoke
...or in the jungle

>>55029143
Correct. The best profile to hide your lt.

>>55029138
Every Heavies that handle their weapon in similiar way looks like Fuerbach Sorgarat.

>>55029729
Well, your closest equivalent troop in PanO is Aquila Guard. Let's compare the MR profiles (as Asura lacks HMG option). For 10 points and one lower BS, you get NWI, Nanopulser and +2 WIP, +1 ARM and +3 CC and change Shock CCW to AP CCW.

>>55029121
>Expand dong.png

B-but, the pilot is a girl.....

>>55030078
It's a pretty classic "heavy weapon pose" for scifi miniatures.

>>55030140
>trusting Nomads with genders

>>55029121
I just noticed they added the little arms to the new sculpt. Hard pass.

>>55023933
>Get away from her you BITCH!

>>55026934
Only when the competition is as fierce as it is in PanO. They're okay linked in sectorials, but solo in vanilla it's generally worth an upgrade to something else unless you specifically need a 2 wound HMG at that price point.

>>55019262

So one of the big things is that the first scenario is *very* order intensive and requires anti-materiel weaponry; I think CA would have the advantage in that scenario due to getting 3 free unidrons with K1 combis and Nourkias.

The last scenario gives the advantage to the non-CA player, I think, as a Tik is dramatically better than a plasma sniper Overdron.

IMHO if you can make an Aleph list with plenty of orders and anti-materiel I say play that, try to be the Combined Army player round 1 and PanO round 3.

>>55030351
I'd say that at that price point Yu Jing got it worse with Shang Ji, Zuong and Wu ming. ORCs worst competition at that price point is Hospitaler, which has frenzy. At 50+ there are many interesting options, but few do things that ORC are usually taken significantly better. So hardly a first choice or second, but still an option.

>>55030453
>with Shang Ji
Don't lie, there's no such unit.
._.

>>55030078
>>55030143
I'd like to see more heavies handling their fuerbachs, or in this case the HRMC, over the shoulder. Kind of like teucer

So anons, I'm pretty new to the game, and a buddy of mine is interested in getting into it. What do you guys think is the simplest army he can get, the one that requires the least amount of forethought/strategic thinking but can still be a threat on the table?

>>55030514

PanO. Just get a Swiss Guard HMG, move forward, and roll dice. Instant win.

>>55030351

What competition? All the guys with similar stats at the same price and kits have Frenzy.

>>55030514
It depends more on what excact troops he chooses, but PanO is generally pretty straightforward. Not that direct tactics are neccessarily much less complex, because you still have to take your opponents capabilities in accord when choosing the approach.

>>55030507
Teucer is superhumanly strong, unlike those chumps.

>>55030514

Oof, that's going to be a rough one. Chances are he's going to want a TAG army but in general there aren't a lot of simple armies in this game.

Morats tend to be pretty straightforward with all of their units but he's probably going to want to read on Fireteam rules.

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>>55030507
I don't. It looks shit, kinda like pic related.

>>55030626
Well, TAGs tend to be pretty simple to use, but you need to utilize the rest of the army to get more out of them than half succesful first turn rambo run.

>>55030655
STIFF

>>55030560
>>55030618
Thanks anons.
>>55030626
A TAG army would probably be pretty decent for him and he's expressed an interest in Nomads. Think he should pick up some gecko's?

>>55030514

Get Ariadna. They do not deal with Hacking or mostly Engineers. To the man they want to move forward and kill the other guy.

>>55030721

Gecko's + Nomad Starter pack would be perfect.

>>55030721
Nomads are not straight forward. Gekos are terrible tags. TAG armies in general are really for advanced players.

Go PanO, Steel Phalanx, or Morats.

>>55030918
This.

>>55030918

Dude, this Infinity. I don't think the buddy is planning to sign up for any tournaments.

>>55023933
If the left arm is adjustable enough, I'm cutting off that machete and putting an American flag there.

>>55030618
>superhuman strength
>PH 11

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>>55030655
Or maybe GW models are just shit. Pic related

>>55031337

>That pose

Goddammit Aleph, why you have cool poses like this?

Aside from neo-cetaceans, Morlocks (which seems to imply anything nearing pupnik-level conversion gets you arrested), pupniks, Daktaris, and Winter Vixens, how widespread is grafting animal traits/hardcore biomodding to yourself, in Nomad space and beyond?

>>55031349
I don't really want to play Aleph, but I want to paint a lot of these models. I have a friend who has been thinking about starting steel phalanx and he might commission me to paint them for him, and I really hope he does

>>55031381

Probably very very very very very rare.

>consider modifying a T. rex or similar model so it's a bio-TAG covered in cannons, tank armor, and prehistoric anger

>>55031406

Field it as an Avatar.

I can see EI having a love of biotech and being FUCKING BADASS

>>55031381
>>55031402
iirc not so much in crime rings and underground fighters, if the Winter Vixen and Pupnik fluff says anything about illegal Astreia fights (WVs are specifically undercover)

>>55031424

Yeah, but the setting isn't exactly Shadowrun so crime rings and underground fighters are probably very rare and very centralized. Maybe fringe areas its more common but as a whole its rare.

>>55025223
I don't love it. the xxxlarge rifle makes no sense and neither does the machine gun box. And where are his arms?

>>55031421
>you will never be come away from your third prayer towards Mecca only to hear the Paradiso garrison alerts sound
>you start running with an Ayyar to your posts. The ORC and Tankhunter assigned to your tower spot something
>"What do you see?"
>"Bashir, you're not going to believe this..."
>The ground shakes, knocking you off your feet. You try to get up but the thumping gets more and more intense
>when you finally get up, an eye the size of your pistol is glaring at you
>the roar completely blasts your sonic filters, deafening the tankhunter who didn't have any higher-tech ear protection
>below, fifty velociraptors armed with boarding shotguns storm into the garrison

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>>55031457

Yeah, giant guns on things make absolutely no sense, doubly so if they are put in some kind of retarded box.

>>55029121
Wonder those things extending out the front near the shoulder joints do?

>>55031452
But the Sports Crimes division is apparently large enough to warrant undercover agents and anti-riot units. Nomads are already fringe brinkers in themselves, and Praxis + the philosophy of far-left far-right freedom means there's gonna be a ton of people who don't Play By the Rules (tm).

>>55031467

Truly our existence is pure torture when compared to such bliss.

>>55030810
Ariadna tends to play stealthy and clever, if you just try to overpower your opponent as Ariadna you will die hard.

Pan-O is the main straightforward faction, despite having hackers or engineers, because they are just strong and sturdy. Ariadna depends heavily on clever tricks, Pan-O depends on understanding how to leverage your good units effectively.

>>55028718
Waiting on Tunguska

>>55031499

>But the Sports Crimes division is apparently dangerous enough to warrant undercover agents and anti-riot units.

FTFY

Highly centralized.

>>55031508

>Laughing_APHMG.jpeg

>>55031337
Yes, that's exactly the model I was talking about.

Yo, is there a fluff reason why Haqqislam doesn't control Mecca? Are the Saudis still in power, or is it an O12 controlled site?

Does O12 even field UN-style Peacekeepers?

>>55030964
>>55030945
>>55030918
I know nomads are not straight forward, but I figured if he could put a couple light TAG's out he could have fun tanking tons of shots while not being overwhelmed with the more intense aspects of the game. I worry that with Morats and the like the fireteam rules may confuse him a bit. To be honest I don't think the game is a great fit for him, but the rest of us in the group have been getting into it and I'd rather not leave him out.

>>55031653

Just let him use one of your guy's armies in a low-point game.

>>55031612

Because Earth is a shithole? I imagine space travel has forced some major changes on some aspects of Islam.

>>55031694
That's (hopefully) what we'll be doing next saturday. I just wanted to be able to give him the best advice I could in case he wanted his own army, which is likely considering he really dislikes using miniatures that aren't his. He's a strange guy.

>>55031479
I don't believe that M1 Abrams has a big-ass magazine on the inside. Nor is the ammunition wrapped around the barrel.

>>55031763

Hey, you're smart! You know about how the M1 Abrams is designed.

>>55031721

Ugh, what a fag.

Yeah Geckos + Nomad starter would probably be the best bet.

Let him know about Morats but that they have additional rules he might want to be familiar with. After all, Fireteams are just an option for Sectorals to offset their lack of other options.

>>55031805
Okay, thanks anon I'll pass that on.

>>55031612
One Earth is a shithole, two the standard Muslims are still mostly stuck on earth acting like savages. The reason why Haqq left earth is because other Muslims kept on doing what the religion of peace does.

>>55032071
Aren't the PanO territories okay? Israel seems to be alright.

>>55032172
I mean, Israel and other neutral countries. Was it Greenland or Iceland that was independent of PanO?

>>55030626
Unless you're only playing against other new players TAGs are not easy to use. The action of killing with them is simple and easy, but they need to be supported and that isn't easy at all.

>>55031337
Why is that boy aiming sideways? That rather defeats the point of kneeling.

Seems pretty stupid desu. I wouldn't let him in my ASA.

>>55032905

A guy snuck up on him so he needs to turn quickly to shoot.

>>55032172

Also Norway specifically, as it wasn't caught up in the crash that hit the EU and later joined PanO.

>>55031337
>>55032905
Seriously. What is up with that pose? Oh shit something is coming from that side but let me look straight down my barrel as I turn to react.

>>55033097

Motherfucker is turning to shoot the motherfucker sneakin on him

>>55027397
There's no reason to take a HI specialist when you have so many fast and durable specialists at your disposal. Arguably Custodier is harder to kill than MB because of ODD and ability to drop White Noise or Cybermask. And then you have a ton of guys like Zero, Morans, Tomcats, Bandits etc. Nomads are not PanO or Morats, they don't need to rely on durable HI specialists to get to the objectives.

>>55033930
>arguably

Thanks for admitting that its a subject for debate. Utility is a very strong thing and there are a shitton of options for every kind of player and whatever whacky list they want to run.

Infinity is a game where "optimal" seems to be in increments of 5-10%. That seems pretty negligible in pro play and a complete non-factor in casual play. I see no reason to try and shut down this very amazing and unique aspect to Infinity.

>>55033238
nah, he just shot something big and now is looking if achiles saw him do it, and from the way his hand is going to his croch, I would say A did see it, and now Taucer is going to wank one off.

>>55034481

Fucking Aleph sickos

>>55034481
>I wanna jack off teucer while Achilles watches

>>55035005

Anon, keep your sick fetishes to yourself.

>>55034034
>Infinity is a game where "optimal" seems to be in increments of 5-10%
That's just stats really (aside from wounds which function differently and BTS which is extremely cheap for the numbers you rack up). Abilities and weapons are what really makes the difference. Being able to do things that other units can't do, vomit out more attack dice and put in your favour the bonuses/penalties that can easily turn BS14 into BS5 are a thousand times more important than any 5% increase to ARM.

Brigada hackers are alright though. Not the best around, but not something to dismiss out of hand either. ODD is grand but Custodiers are slow, and having multiple wounds is special because it has very few counters aside from brute force. I can clear infiltrators the fuck out of the midfield with direct templates, sensors, MSV, mines and shotguns, but HI tend to be a lot more troublesome to remove, even basic ones like MBs.

>>55035193

Agreed. They have a very respectable power to them that can't be dismissed with "but LI options..."

>>55035193
>>55035276
While we can all agree, mobile brigade bring a lot of firepower and are hard to take down, you can get two zeroes hackers for the price of a mobile Brigada hacker. Not saying MB is bad, but it's understandable why some people don't prefer the mobile Brigada

Having my second infinity game in, what, over two years or so? Now reading up on all of my guys abilities...
So the Umbra has this abiltiy, right. Which grants him also this and that ability, okay. Which in turn allow him to enter a certain state which allows him to do this and that...ho boy.
Thank god for the wiki.

>>55035298

>Because there's better specialists available

This is what I have been arguing against the whole time. I have no idea why you are bringing up this concept of "people prefer X over Y"

>>55035318
Yeah, it took time to get a friend to understand impersonation. Likely because that initial -6 can be quite the kick in the nuts when failed repeatedly and then when you do succeed I'm still disguised and I'm closing in on your Lt.

>>55035318

Yeah, the wiki/rulebook are godsends. After about 5 or so games my group tends to get pretty familiar with most of the rules and even then we learn some wording stuff that makes different shit really strong.

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This needs to be the regular anaconda profile.
MRRF needs it.

>>55035443

How the fuck does Beba have ARM 1? Bitch is naked.

>>55035488

Subdermal armor?

>>55035488
Some really dense tattoos.

>>55035488
Implants

>>55035488
A duck.

>>55035443
MRRF will never need it. TAGs aren't Ariadna's thing, and even 6-4 movement and an AP spitfire won't change that. If the buff came with a price drop and a tinbot A option it might become a viable option, but it's not something that will improve the faction as a whole.

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>>55030179
>I-i don't know about Landmate
>I prefer a wonky ass joystick rather than armored but flexible motion sensors

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Remember, I got NWI. Get smoked, Druze Skanks.

>>55031612
O-12 recruits troops from all armies for special taskforces.

>want to expand my sigmar army
>also want to cold buy into pan-o MO and paint up some order sergeants
>a million people in this city and not a single one players either game
>and of course I have no friends or else I wouldn't be here on 4chan
as sad as it is I am tempted to cold-buy into two 300 point infinity armies and play against myself. What is a good faction to be opposed to Pan-o MO? ALEPH? the furries?

>>55036147

Yu Jing is canon and they seem like very similar factions w/o necessarily have hard counters for shit.

>>55036147
Combined Army makes a great foil for any of the human factions, particularly Onyx Force. It even looks sorta XCOMmish then in a match off.

>>55035443
I wonder how many people are going to play Druze Bayram sectorial.

>>55035488
Better question is why Uhahu has NWI.

>>55036302
>Better question is why Uhahu has NWI.

Because of her completely artificial body?

>>55036090
>I wanna be the very best...

>>55036114
It also has its own planet. Supposedly their TAGs, Zeta units, are some of the finest in Human Sphere.

>>55036302
High quality clone body.

The best question is why Beba has Religious AND V:Courage. Those don't do anything together that Courage Alone wouldn't do, no?

>>55036388
Religious keep you regular in Retreat!

>>55036423
Courage also does this.

The only difference between RT+courage and just courage is that you are unable to abandon the table during retreat.

>>55036302

Yup, others got the right of it. She's more human than human, doesn't feel pain if she doesn't want to.

>>55021009
I did those shiny new Volunteers

>>55036460
Courage makes you irregular. Pay attention. Meet me after class.

>>55036506
Ah, forgot about retreat automatically causing LoL. Haven't seen retreat actually used for a long while.

>>55031538

Ariadna's hat is literally that they are the worst straight up fight faction in the game.

The APHMG is a famous weapon because it comes on a tankhunter, a unit with camo that can be used alongside other camo markers to play a bluffing game where it becomes unclear if a camo marker is an ambush, mine, foxtrot, chaseur, or a basic low points decoy stealthy guy.

The Ariadnan Tankhunter HMG profile also has a BS of 12, an armor of 3, and a move of 4-2. This means if you try to cheerlead it like you were playing a Pan-O and just sweep the board using it, it will die to reaction fire from a 9 point unit after killing maybe 20 points and 0 SWC of models and cant move fast enough to press in on a week flank to win you the game.

Each of these camo markers has a different place in the Ariadnan force and has a different ideal unit to check it. No Ariadna unit exists to just win the game by advancing up the board using "superior" firepower. Most Ariadnan units have a BS of 11 or 12, and an armor in the 0-1 range. Their most expensive unit is around 40 points. Their basic weapons are rifles. Not combi rifles. Not AP rifles. Not T2 rifles. Rifles.

They aren't figuratively the best faction at advancing and holding the board through superior force. They are LITERALLY the worst faction in the game at this.

You can't even count on using your cheap units to cheerlead. Your most elite units are some odd 40 points and they are elite because they have special bullshit rules that encourage you to not use them, or they tend to do poorly in face to face which is the exact quality you don't want in your Rambo. The closest it gets is Roger Van Zant who exists to crumble a flank through surprise airdrop and will die to any player smart enough to protect their rear against him. So unlike most factions Ariadna needs to use its cheap line and garrison troops to accomplish something because just having them generate orders isn't actually useful to the faction.

>>55036668

>Most Ariadnan units have an armor in the 0-1 range.

USARF says hi.

>>55036668
Ariadna has 7 units with APHMG and six with Molotoks to boot.

>>55036668
Tankhunter ain't shit. The Vet Kazak is the massive outlier that singlehandedly defines direct Ariadna tactics. Shock immunity plus NWI means it effectively has 2 wounds, and with BS13 and mimetism it can sweep the board fairly effectively. It's no Hac Tao, but it's a very respectable rambo that should not be underestimated.

>>55036668
This sounds more like bitter bias than objective reasoning. Plus USARF as a sectorial is literally about fighting face to face with some pretty good links to do so.

>>55036668
t. tried to Rambo with Tankhunter and lost like a bitch due to poor tactics

>>55036339
They were announced last year right?
Could be cool

>>55036844
O-12 has been in the fluff since day one. Every time there is a rumor of a new faction, they're predicted to be it, but thus far it's been some other.

>>55036857
Thought they outright announced a new faction in the interplanentary before this year.
>>55036777
Yeah but still no 2 W links.
But greys were already also possible to link for high BS.
I agree Ariadna can do some great links and good attack forces but it doesn't lend itself to quite as much Rambo as most other armies.
The only guy who I (anecdote) have seen reliable run across thr battlefield and taking hits is the veteran kazak

>>55036877
>Thought they outright announced a new faction in the interplanentary before this year.
Nope.

>>55035318
That game will also be my first time using a hacker, so I'm reading into the programs my Zerat can use.
Am I seeing things wrong or are most CLAW programs just doing Immobilized 1?

>>55037403
There are indeed many variants of that, but some of the other effect include TAG possession, Forwar observing and isolation. The last can especially mess your opponent. Remember, that morats themselves are immune to isolation.

>>55037441
I don't think my opponent will field any TAG's (hopefully) but I'll see if I can get some isolation going on in there. Hacking area is 8'' right?

>>55037403
Yup. Lots of redundancy with hacking programs. Many are just worse versions of other programs.

Assault hacking devices have 3 programs of relevance (4 with the CA special brew).

>Carbonite
This one is your mainstay. Has by far the best chance to immobilize most targets. Can be used offensively before an attack to make it so the target can't defend itself, or defensively to force the foe to waste orders resetting.

>Oblivion
Greater risk, greater reward. Far less likely to succeed than Carbonite, but with far greater consequences. This one is largely defensive since it's burst 1, don't spend your own orders on it. Isolation cuts off the target from its order pool permanently, and it must be repaired by an engineer to reverse that. So rather useless against a TR bot, but fantastic against a big HI with an HMG.
Note that it doesn't work against units with the Veteran skill, which for your purposes are Al Fasid and all Morats.

>Total Control
Only useful against TAGs, but real useful against TAGs. Succeed and you gain control of the thing (with reduced stats) until the opponent takes it back by either counter-possessing it or using Exorcism. Forcing their enemy to shoot their own stuff is always a fun time.

>Stop!
CA special brew. More likely to immobilize than Carbonite against native BTS9 or higher.

>>55037557
+ the ZoC of repeaters. Just don't try to overdo it. I've lost some games after I tried to hack something and wasted far too many orders. Treat is more as a deterrent, the enemy usually doesn't want to bring hackable targets to your hacking area during his active turn.

>>55037674
You forgot Spotlight, which lets you done some of the Classified objectives.

>>55037723
I've got three Forward observer unidrons in my list, so I've put that in brackets anyway.

>>55037674
Roger that.

>>55037674
Also I'd say those factions without access to Stop! might want to use Basilisk occasionally for that two turn effect.

>>55037747
Unidrons can't FO trough walls and Zerat start further on a table. Usually not the first choice, but it's nice to have the option.

>>55037749
Eh, the 2 turn thing is very niche unless you plan on just hitting someone with it on your active turn and then leaving them alone until it's over. That could get you a wasted order or two, but you might as well just hang out in their ZoC and Carbonite them later in most cases.

>>55037811
What if your opponent uses some of his last orders in something you can hack, hmm?

>>55038030
Then you carbonite it for the greater chance to make him piss away those orders. Active turn immobilizing is only really worthwhile immediately before you hit the victim with a missile launcher or HMG, otherwise you need to be very careful not to give them consequence-free reset AROs while you move around.

>>55035610
MRRF here, we'll take all the merc options we can get, thanks.

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Meow.
Fuck my shitty phonecam, I swear he looks better than this in person

>>55038597
You did it!

>>55038645
Took me way longer than I'd hoped (local britbong store didn't have the older Moderators I cannibalised for the arms, had to order them from the US) and some of the bits aren't as good as I'd hoped, like the greenstuff work around the shoulders, tail and pants, but yeah.
Was too lazy to try and greenstuff a satchel for him, the Wildcat integrated backpack thing will just have to do.

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>>55035610
>>55035443

You jelly Frenchie?

>>55030165
>not thrusting in nomads, regardless of genders

>>55038597
Awesum :3

>>55038597
This is the Infinity thread. You know the rules:
Show us the butt.

>>55038771
Not especially. We have an actual TAG, you know.

>>55038358
Anadonda is the TAG that Raicho and Uhlan think about to make themselves feel better. It's a dumpster fire of a unit that is only made worse by the lack of hacking support provided by Ariadna.

More mercs would be great though. AVA2 Druze, Valerya Gromoz (that pitcher would matter a whole lot more in MRRF than in Corregidor), maybe even a Cateran.

>>55038953
>thinking Uhlan is bad
It's actually quite popular, probably because PanO with links is godlike, but NCA doesn't get Cutter. It's a TAG with Camo and MULTI HMG as well as PanO's only Feuerbach, what's not to like?
Although the fact that it's packed with Tikbalang probably helps.

>>55038953
>Thinking the Anaconda is bad
Really it just depends on your local meta.

>>55038771
>Jelly of ARM 5 hackable 1W HI with either an AP HMG or a T2 Sniper.

Should I be?

>>55038978
Tik is scary on the right board. Most TO's don't think about how much pain a Climbing Plus TAG can do when it has a bunch of walkways and shit to monkey around on.

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>>55038874
Who am I to deny a fellow aficionado of catboy rears?
I think this one actually came out better than the front shot...

>>55023597
The only TAG I would take in Vanilla Nomads (excluding Scarface, but he doesn't count) is the Szally. The Lizard is only a couple points cheaper with a crappier gun (Burst 4v5 might not seem like a huge difference, but that means if you're using it in a co-ordinated order as spearhead then it still gets Burst 3 as opposed to a Lizard's 2). It's pilot is also a Killer Hacker, which means it can do objectives a lot better than the Lizard's pilot.

The Iguana is even more laughable- only 2 Structure, it does get a 2W HI instead of a pilot, but it's substandard on basically every front. It does get a Repeater, but it's crap otherwise. Geckos are basically HI, but compared to Scarface they're obviously not that great.

If you're a new player, I would recommend avoiding TAGs entirely. Taking a pair of (minelayer) Zeroes, a Bandit, and a few Morlocks is almost always a better choice in points for noobs.

>>55038597
the mad man. my slavic soul cries for your ancestors.

>>55039176
Noice.

>>55038953
Can't the Sectoral that has Anaconda also take ALIVE?

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Behold the tinbot that's going to accompany the Taskmaster

>>55039110

2 wounds bruh

Also be sure to check its point cost.

>>55038978
It only has a regular HMG, no MULTI to be found. If it had a MULTI HMG it would be fantastic.

Feuerbach is not that great on the unit and drives up the cost massively. Using it on the active turn isn't a good idea except in niche situations against other TAGs since it's only burst 2, and any TAG left out to make long range AROs on the reactive turn is going to die against a competent foe, camo or no camo.

Usually I find NCA players stick to Swiss or Aquila. Seen an Uhlan in action a couple of times and it was basically a faster but otherwise less useful version of the former. Squalo is bland but at least has the MULTI HMG and ARM8, plus it can be LT to grab an extra order or blow people up from across the board with the HGL option.

Maybe comparing it to Raicho wasn't fair. It's not quite that bad, and camo is still a fairly dangerous gimmick compared to none at all.

>>55039031
What's the appeal? I don't see it. It's a bog standard spitfire on what is essentially a fat HI frame, like a more expensive Gecko that sucks up valuable SWC and transforms into a tiny trash form after taking a couple of hits.

>>55039250
Iggy, however, I will defend to the fucking death. He's a disposable boy who takes 4 shots to kill and is generally a shit to deal with thanks to that repeater. Don't worry about him surviving, because he won't. But if you use him well he can easily sow enough chaos to be a worthwhile investment. He's not just 20 points cheaper than other TAGs, because aside from those hackers you were taking anyway he doesn't have support costs.

>>55039384
36/2 for a 4-2 HI that can't pass through anything less than a Wide Gate (having to stop and spend another order to do so), and has a '''second''' wound where almost all his stats across the board get reduced doesn't sound like something to be proud of anon.

>>55039403
You have to take the rest of the MRRF into context when looking at the Anaconda; which is to say that just about everything they have (aside from Duroc, arguably) is even squishier than the rest of Ariadna. The Anaconda isn't 'tough', it's just 'tougher' than everything else in the list by virtue of high ARM and two wounds. The Spitfire, while bog-standard, is also something that's not normally available in the list.

For hacking defense, just take an Alguacile, Wardriver, or (while they're still on the army builder) one or more members of ALIVE.

How do I know which kits are out of scale? Yu Jing specifically

>>55039384
He's a worse Veteran Kazak that gets seen and shot at more easily. After the first wound, he has the same armor and BTS too. You jelly USAriadna babbies? All hail the Rodina!

>>55039562
all hail. although to be honest am a little bit confused right now.

>>55039509
If it's not immediately obvious to you:

Look at the box/blister and compare with this list
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B957zKbO1rsvUkpxU0ZmeG1LTUU

>Is the model a TAG?
If yes, anything younger than the O-Yoroi's age
If no, anything roughly past Operation Icestorm.

For Yu Jing HI, the most obvious detail is the back of the leg is segmented differently. From the Raiden Spitfire and Sun Tze BSG onwards it's in the 3D sculpting range

>>55039428
to be fair I play tohaa, so I appreciate losing stats on my 2nd wound in exchange for being insultingly cheap.

>>55039509
Everything from Raiden HRL and on (release by chronological order) is CAD sculpted so generally in scale.

Exceptions: O-yoroi is also in scale because TAG. Even though the Kohei and Yaozaos in the JSA Support pack are hand sculpted, they're in the current N3 scale

>>55036755
dies to viral

>>55039640
Blackjacks don't cost many points, but they also cost 2 SWC, which means that having more than one of them would actually severely hurt your list rather than help it.

>>55039667
Just like everything in Ariadna, what's your point?

>>55036668
>Ariadna's hat is literally that they are the worst straight up fight faction in the game.

Ariadnas hat is that they have really big guns on cheap platforms and can absolutely dominate their active phase with high burst while in reactive they have the numbers and camo to soak hits (or in USARFs case, just have an absurd amount of high ARM around)

>>55039670
why would I want more than 1 in USARF when I have so many good, spammable options?

I like the blackjack just because it might help me get below 15 guys.

>>55039683
because shooting a 1W arm 1 model with viral is like hitting a daisy with a baseball bat, completely unnecessary and you don't really lose much in the process.

>>55039711
I'm just saying that it falls into that category where the line between 'just enough' and 'way too much' (in terms of cost) is super fine. You can have one, and make a balanced list with perhaps one or two less regular SWC options, or you can have two of them and shoot yourself in the foot. Those are your options with Blackjacks.

>>55039463
Alguacil/Wardriver isn't really enough in most cases, the only way to properly defend TAGs from hackers is to be proactive. ALIVE seems like it would help. Never seen them in MRRF specifically, but Cypher and Switch are a downright disgusting combo no matter the faction.

Overall the Anaconda strikes me as an army completely unsuited to being tough doing a shitty job at being tough. There are link teams and airborne troops that excel at taking ground and various sneaky fucks that excel at holding it, the TAG isn't necessary.

That aside, I'd still very much like to see Ana get that AP spitfire and faster movement, as well as something like Druze to get proper hacking support in the sectorial. Could really give it a second wind.

>>55039670
Sniper is only 1 SWC. That's the one I'd be more open to taking in vanilla, since it's just generally tough and has nasty weapons for all ranges. There are better attack units around, but a cheap real HI to hold ground is something unique to the BJ.

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>>55039758
So take 1, you hardly need them for their heavy weapons platform in USARF, of all sectorals.

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>>55039176
Would've shown you this earlier but my connection keeps dying. A closeup with everything I could throw at it to enhance it.

Noob here, are the HVT models just optional fancy objective markers? What about the TAG pilot models?

>>55040476
>HVT
Yes. They're fancy models for some scenarios that require a human person who doesn't do combat.

Pilots are real fighting models though. They can do objectives, and some like the Gecko pilot are capable fighters in their own right.

>>55040476
TAG pilots can get out of their TAGs and fuck you up even if, by some stroke of luck, you disable their angry murdermechs. Just look at Lizard and Szalamandra pilots.

>>55039562
>10 points cheaper than vet kazak

>>55040476
It's nice to have a civilian model in case you wind up with 3 spare points and can throw a Warcor into the list just to be an annoying body in the way. When you do that,replace the HVT with a token.

>>55031538
>laughing pathfinders.avi

Enjoy getting sensor'd then reamed by a swiss guard atek

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>>55038597
>>55039176
>>55039941
Awesome.

Is Teucer any good?

When to use Marksmanship levelx?

>>55038129
>use carbonite
>enemy active turn end after the order
>IMM-1 is no longer

Yeah, ""great"" plan.

>>55039379
>tfw Taskamsters are the tiny release

Even the HVT is taller

>>55039428
He can go prone to pass smaller gates. But he's really not your doorkicker.

>>55043846
It's the heavyweight attribute preventing it, not silhouette.

>>55036147
What city?

>>55043254
Ehh...
Teucer has basically two things
1. It's only Agema, that has NWI
2. It's only Msv2 option in Acontecimento

The first point does matter in SP, as vanilla has Devas with higher burst, but slightly lover range or damage output. I'd consider Free agent being bigger boon, Marksmanship lvl X is statistically only better to regular shooting when odds are so low you'd better not shoot anyway. You could also use it to raise your BS ridiculously high and attain better Crit chances.

But I rarely field him in my SP, usually ML Agema is my token Msv2 unit, sometimes I splurge on Atalanta

>>55044063
Welp. But as I said, unless you have some really wacky terrain (like indoor lab complexes and what not), he's pretty unlikely to suffer from that.

>>55044137
>indoor lab complexes
A lab complex with a shedload of destructible terrain would actually be pretty interesting to try and run large models about in. Relying on D-charges and shit to get your heavy hitters into areas.

>>55044094
I've been enjoying my MK12 Agema. Being able to supressive fire has been pretty useful due to the love of warbands in my meta.

>>55040476
Pretty much. I've seen people use their own objective markers (like little banners/flags). A pilot would be find if your army list doesnt have the tag

>>55044246
That is definitely good choice as well.

>>55045024
Yeah its a pretty nice weapon. Cant crack a tag like the missile or MSR, but its low SWC and reliable at most ranges.

Am considering the missile though for smoke shooting HI and TAGs.

>>55031495

Looks like ablative armour. He's fucking invincible, sort of thing.

Any Haqq player want to share some examples of horde lists? I'm trying to get a better grasp of the faction.

Hey guys, so I don't have any idea what I'm doing, but I've bought enough infinity miniatures for cool factor to end up getting into the game. I want to paint them, but I'm mainly using them for stuff other than infinity. How acceptable are variant color schemes for use in the wargame, and is there some sort of color or style guide? I've got almost entirely PanO minis

>>55046056

100% acceptable, and arguably, one of the major fluff fuck ups at the moment is the near total absence of suggested alternative schemes. Like, Warmachine level bad.

But nobody's going to give you shit about it at a tournament, and as a rule, most armies are all over the place colour wise. Some are by the book, but I'd say most aren't.

>>55046210
Cool, thanks for the advice. I didn't want to paint them in a "cool" color scheme only to be run out of a game or something, glad that won't happen

>>55046210

Have you looked at the sourcebooks? They enumerate a number of different color schemes for each faction or sectorial.

>>55046210
>every faction has multiple color schemes in the book, sometimes for several sectorials
>near total absence of suggested alternative schemes
It's not their fault you're too lazy to look, anon.
inb4 waah book not free

>>55039250
>The Iguana is even more laughable- only 2 Structure, it does get a 2W HI instead of a pilot, but it's substandard on basically every front. It does get a Repeater, but it's crap otherwise. Geckos are basically HI, but compared to Scarface they're obviously not that great.

I beg your pardon?

Iguana, as my concern, are cheap enought to be considered a threat. Even with STR 2, invunerability to bio-related rounds and their fastness are scoring point for my Nomad friends. And Repeaters are surprisingly nasty tactics, considering Nomads can easily throwing HDs around.

And Geckos are basically sturdier HI with Duo. Fucking 3 STR is a pain in the ass, and they're as cheap as S5 HIs minus the 4-2 crap. Their bigger stature aren't really concerning when my local Dog Warriors are suffer worse.

Never underestimate both m8000, it already cost my Yu Jing friends alot of victory by 'laughting' at it. I recommend Geckos for beginners since they're easier to kitted out.

>>55046349
I'm not mad it isn't pirateable here, but I am surprised.

Stupid question, I know, but this just caused a fight in my LGS and I'd like to subcontract out for other opinions.

An enemy HI enters the radius of a Repeater. The Repeater is controlled by a player who has 3 hackers in their list. Can all three hackers ARO through the one Repeater simultaneously, or can only a single hacker act at one time through a single Repeater (requiring 2 Repeaters to generate 2 AROs against the offending HI)?

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>>55045866

>>55046647
looking back on this I might switch out one of the doctors for a regular ghulam so the LT isn't so obvious

>>55046644

All three hackers can ARO simultaneously.

>>55046644
All hackers can aro, as a model has spent an order in the hacking area of all three of them. If they declare a reset it'll be face to face vs all hacking attacks.

>>55046644
That HI is in for a world of hurt. Same idea as if you activate in LoF of 3 models for ARO.

>>55046742
>>55046768
>>55046785

Fuck. I don't know how I got the idea of "one Repeater to one Hacker". I owe some folks an apology.

Thanks.

>>55046647
>>55046695
Could you give me a rundown on what you use each unit for? I appreciate it.

>>55047319
I use the ghulam as well rounded units to generally kill people with guns and doctor/hack when necessary, the gazi muttawi'ah throw smokes for the djanbazan sniper and pretty much just kill LI with chain rifles and screw over HI/TAGS with jammers, bashi are there to flank and generally be a nuisance while killing people, warcor is there for a 3 point flash pulse ARO, up to your opponent if he wants to waste an order killing it or risk all his useful units getting blinded.

And Daylami are for the complete disrespect of human life, give them panzerfausts so even if you whiff the roll to infiltrate them you still have 5 dudes you don't care about who have explosive round AROs to blow.

>>55044094
>2. It's only Msv2 option in Acontecimento
Ugh, don't remind me. Fucking greeks shoehorned into the army so CB doesn't have to bother actually making a new ASA unit.

>>55023933
>accidentally making dreadknights look cool

>>55050575
>>55050575
heyheyhey