>In which we post our least favourite Magic card of all time

Whatever your favorite card is.

>>55010449
>Posts generic white bear
We get this card literally every set. What's you beef with this one?

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5 Rings TCG did this better

>>55011768
I think that's the problem he has with it. It's filler with meh tribal affiliation.

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Fuck this Cancer card.
It does everything, you need no skills, only kill spells.

>>55011768
>le stronk and independent womyn

>>55011768
>Muh negress Socrates stand-in
>Muh wymyn
>Muh "lol just talk to them and surely they'll break siege, completely convinced"
>Irrelevant tribe
>Unexciting
>From one of the worst blocks in recent memory

Philosophers are basically diplomats but more ancient, right?

sorry my last post was in error - on closer examination it appears that what a philosopher is is a force of armed men sufficient to defeat a modest band of elf warriors or neutralize a small pack of bears

>>55011892
Nah brah, she talks to the bears.

>>55011867
Philosophers are basically trolls from before the days of internet. Look up Diogenes for example, the man was prime example of /b/-tard.

>>55011815
Goddamn you're an easy fuck to trigger.

>>55011976
>post has three responses guessing what triggers OP
>this one guess must be a triggered OP

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Fight me fag

>>55011867
I was under the impression philosophers are literally what they are, just there were more of them because we didn't know shit so they could just do whatever.

>>55011778
what's the combo with this card?

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This one has always bothered me. It's not fairly costed, but that's understandable because it's a common- what bothers me is that I would very much enjoy this card had it created two humans instead of one.
Even so, there is nothing that implies the angel harbingers the arrival of human assistants within the artwork as the name implies; that could have been represented in the awkward negative space to the left of the card.

I WANT to like this card, but the near-perfect design being off-put due to rarity makes me hate it.

>>55010449
This is a fucking stupid choice for "least favorite card".

>>55011806
This is not.

>>55015866
'harbinger' is not a verb.

>>55015920
>This is a fucking stupid choice for "least favorite card".

Socrates is one of my favourites historical figures. This cheap knock-off irks me greatly.

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How about those monkey paws?

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>>55010449
Probably this. I hate so many things about it. I hate Megamorph as a whole for never feeling worthwhile. I hate this entire cycle for being some of the little existing Dragon tribal on Tarkir in the set and sucking at it. I hate how each color had to pay 6 mana for a 3/3. But I hate this one most of all, because out of all of them the artwork is the most retarded and it's also the most generic and boring of the lot.

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>>55010449

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>>55016080
I'm not sure which was more lazy, wasteful, or stupid: Megamorph or Devoid. I refuse to see any of that rubbish on my cards.

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Magic: The Suffering

>>55016174
Devoid was lazy, but I can understand the idea behind it. They want Eldrazi to be colorless, but couldn't do it in an interesting way, so they made a keyword for it to cheat their design in.

Megamorph was literally just sticking a +1/+1 counter on an existing mechanic in order to try an emphasize timeline differences, but there were only a handful of cards with it that even felt remotely good. The rest were putting 3 mana into something, paying its mana cost or more, and then getting nothing but a counter for doing so.

I also dislike Dragons of Tarkir as a whole for how much they messed it up, but I think >>55016080 really just captures everything I hate about it in one package.

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White-border stasis

I spit at thee

>>55016006
Socrates was a dumb cunt

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>>55010449
Does MTG have a good story/world?

>>55016333
Not anymore. They're based out of seattle

>>55016356
They were always based out of Seattle

>>55016732
Yeah, but Shit's changed over there

>>55016732
Seattle has changed.

>>55016333
So there are superheroes who travel the planes, who managed to retroactively ruin most of the decent modern sets in their sequel sets by being humongous mary sues. Then they traveled some planes full of cultural appropriation because WotC needed that sweet, sweet multicultural themes, and they ended up at notEgypt with kangz and shiet and got raped by a planeswalker dragon cosplaying as pharaoh.

There also was a thing with stuff like Dominaria, Weatherlight, Phyrexia and people like Urza or Yawgmoth but who cares anymore lol

>>55016953
Wizards is going back to dominaria in an attempt to lure disillusioned old players back to the game
What they don't realize is that the reason the old players stopped is cause everything sucks now (Story, characters, art, cards) and going back to dominaria is only gonna piss people off

>>55016978
between the new Un- set and going back to early M:tg storyline I don't know what to be more worried of

>>55016006
Eh, not all philosophers are going to be Socrates. In MTG terms, he'd be a legendary creature - human advisor. He'd probably also be black, sacrificing life for advantages, because of his role in annoying Athens to try and better the polis.

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>"surely no one will ever find a way to cheat it out so we can as well stack it with broken abilities to the roof!"
>"oh yeah and my cousin Phil is a faggot with a strong mill deck, fuck him"

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Singlehandedly doubling the length of any game it appears in since 2004.

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>>55017030
Pic related is also a very close second, this card is simply painful to read
Honorable mention to Oloro and all Eminence cards in EDH

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>>55011892
It happens.

Eunuchs are even more dangerous.
Really, any advisor who doesn't rely on magic, but has a high power and toughness is going to be a bit weird.

>>55017029
What'd Diogenes be? 5 color god?

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>>55017197
>(If you're the only one with creatures, deal the damage to one of them.)
Haha grandpa did you really have to shock your own creatures if your opponent had an empty board?

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As far as I am concerned, this card is flag planted by those interested in bleeding magic dry.

>>55010449
>women
>philosophers
kek

>>55017233
Even better! If you didn't have any other creatures, the Eunuchs would destroy themselves. Presumably they were just too cunning.

>>55017208
Probably white. His asceticism and sense of virtue would lead him there. The problem is his abilities would just annoy people.
He'd be able to produce 0/1 bird creature tokens named "Human."
And also he'd be a tutor, allowing you to search your deck for any creature with the "honest" subtype.

>>55017329
Also anything with a higher P/T than him wouldn't be able to attack or block

>>55017193
That flavour text hurts.

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If I didn't usually like playing devil's advocate I would swear this was their way of shitting on the consumers

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There's literally no way to build him as a commander that isn't toxic as shit unless you intentionally gimp yourself. It's a deck a brain-dead vegetable could pilot in the strongest magic color combo. His effect is retarded, anyways. " Hurr durr instead of making something interesting let's just let him search for any 3 cmc enchantment that can't be broken at all because he's legendary lol "

And only total fucking cunts play him. Only. I have never met a nice person who played a zur the enchanter deck. Not a single goddamn one.

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I hate this card and everything it represents. The seemingly more and more randomization of the game. It puts you entirely at the mercy of what's on your opponent's top 6 cards. You cannot play around every threat that the deck can churn out. You somehow your ass for getting turn 4 mind slavered by a 13/13 flying trample, pro-instant? Well here's an ishkanah to gum up the board and fuel more energy for the next spin. Prepared for creatures? Here's a planeswalker. The decks this card enabled were absolutely fucked. Even after Em was banned, you could still get two of your lands exiled on turn 4 thanks to a Ulamog. All you can do is cross your fingers and hope for a whiff.
Being able to effectively blank removal spells by being able to activate in response along with the absolute non-existent artifact removal at the time. Casting anything, extra emphasis on -cast-, was outright retarded. And the deck didn't even die after taking out it's seemingly main contender. It just evolved into a completely different value based engine and still worked wonders. I instant scooped against it simply because my deck cannot compete with it.

Banning it will not remove the imprint of the current R&D team that this card has left on me. They saw this card, knew what it was capable of, and still shipped it out.

>>55017193
>Creatures you control have haste

There. Fixed it.

>>55015866
I hate this too, though for different reasons. "Human" as a creature type was a mistake and anything that plays to "human" tribal can take a long walk off a short pier. Innistrad was garbage.

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>>55010449
I'm seriously starting to think that pic related should be banned in commander. I know MtG is luck-based, but Sol Ring in opening hand gives just too much advantage.

>>55018705
I still don't understand what the big deal is, it's unlikely to swing the entire game in their favour. If they start edging ahead, they'll become the archenemy and get ganked.

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>>55018618
While I don't entirely agree on human not being a creature type, I can agree that the "tribal" that was attempted with them was poor and the human tokens in innistrad were awkward.
Even with that said, it's equally jarring that we still get "soldier" and "warrior" tokens without a base creature type associated with it, despite being clearly a certain type.

>>55018705
Gee, maybe fast mana is a problem in casual formats.
Sol Ring/Crypt/etc are pretty dumb in a singleton format with high variance. They aren't going to ban it, but it should have been banned years ago.

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>>55017472
Zur existed long before Commander did as a format, though. It's entirely coincidence that he's so strong there. Pic related is a better example of "why the fuck would you print this broken ass card".

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>>55010449
Pic related has made me sad several times.

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>>55018495
Why does everyone thinks that it would be better? If if would say Creatures you control have haste it would mean it only has haste on the battlefield. Having a keyword haste is strictly better and means it "has" haste in other zones too. Pic related.

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>>55010449
Fixing and hate in a single land. Good design, yeah.

>>55020031
So glad I managed to pull a play set of these and snag a few more for pennies.

Every blue fag refuses to play against me now.

>>55018738
t. guy with no combo in his meta

>>55020106
>Refusing to play against cavern
Why dont they just use wastelands?

>>55017282
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/year-living-changerously-2008-06-02
>Generally speaking we expect that to mean cards like Planeswalkers, most legends, and epic-feeling creatures and spells.
>We've also decided that there are certain things we specifically do not want to be mythic rares. The largest category is utility cards, what I'll define as cards that fill a universal function.Some examples of this category would be cycles of dual lands and cards like Mutavault or Char.
>print this in the next fucking block
I'm still fucking mad.

>>55017472
Counterpoint: Cycling zur is hilarious and cute

>>55017329
I'd also give Diogenes protection from legendary creatures, considering he did tell Alexander the great to "fuck off out of his sunlight" and live.

>>55019083
>Zur existed before Commander did as a format
Every day I find more reasons to hate non-old MtG players.

EDH was a format since fucking 2005 and by 2006-2007 was already very popular kitchen table way of playing Magic.

>>55020134
Even without combo:
>Haha turn 3 Atarka :^)
>Whoops guys i lucked out on mana rocks in my shitty Boros deck let me dump my whole hand here real quick :^)

>>55017282
>>55020637
They got mythic so right with Shards of Alara. All it was was huge flashy creatures/spells that fit what Maro originally talked about. After Lotus Cobra the floodgates opened. Now anything and everything can be mythic.

>>55017308
They obviously just went over and drained their balls

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There are definitely worse cancers than this, but you know what? Fuck this fucking undercosted elf.

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>>55021705
>mfw i put this on the table in my Jolrael EDH

If you're using him as a straight-up beatstick, he's cancerous. If you're using him to AWAKEN THE JANK, however, he's not.

>>55016953
>they ended up at notEgypt with kangz and shiet and got raped by a planeswalker dragon cosplaying as pharaoh.
Oh? The Jacetice league got reamed by Bolas, this is lovely news.

>>55021423

... But was WotC designing around it?

Probably not.

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>>55020031
That new Ixilan land is going to R A P E the price on CoS because of its color fixing utility. It's basically the same land (printed at UNCOMMON) without the "cannot be countered" clause

>>55017030
The shuffle is to prevent easy reanimation

>>55019570
Are you sure? Do cards in your graveyard count as cards you currently control?

>>55021974
If you were in the thread where we were talking about it, the conclusion is that the Ixilan land won't do dick to CoS' price because that clause is the reason to play it. Most tribal decks aren't want for fixing.

>>55021977
>But it doesn't prevent reanimation only slightly hinder it. As it hits the graveyard it creates the shuffle trigger but is still in the graveyard. If you target it with a instant reanimate spell while in the graveyard in response to the shuffle trigger then you can still cheat it out. Goryo's Vengeance being the easiest cheat into bringing him back turn three with entomb combo or t0 with dark ritual.

>>55022064
Yes. Card doesn't have a controller unless it is a permanent or spell.

>>55021974
>It doesn't have the most important part of CoS printed on it
>It's going to rape the price
/tg/ being shit at magic as usual I see.

>>55014103
It has to do with how L5R resolves conflicts. Basically you get one action then your opponent gets one action, then you pass back and forward like this until there are 2 consecutive passes. This effect is basically a pass, except it doesn't count as one. So it forces your opponent to take the lead. It isn't a *great* card, but it can set you up for situations that either force your opponent to commit resources early or lose the conflict entirely.

>>55022139

L5R uses batches/chains?

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>>55021789
Super hard too. The story goes out of its way to show they never had a ghost of a chance. They got beat so hard that each member of the Gatewatch got an "X's Defeat" card. Also pick very related.

>>55010449
We get it, you vape

>>55017174
Never got this complaint. Only idiots take more than a few seconds to decide what to do with it. I'm convinced it's just a meme.

>>55022286
It's sort of like a batch, except everything resolves as its played, which lets you pump a dude's strength, then play a card that hoses weaker dudes.

>>55020031
>bumping rare to mythic
>even if the set already had mythics
Fuck Modern Masters.

>>55021977
should just exile it then

>>55022412

Weird.

>>55017658

well you saw the standard format, knew it was shit, and still played it

>>55022412

... If there is no room to interact... Why does any conflict matter?

>>55021977
Should've just been a replacement effect (If Emrakul would go to the graveyard, shuffle it and your graveyard back into your deck)

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>>55016768

Seattlefag here, I long for the sweet embrace of death.

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>>55022763
>no scene for modern
>no scene for anything other than standard and EDH
>EDH
>every other card game is more ass than standard
>hurr, your fault for playing standard
And that doesn't not mean the card is fundamentally retarded. I shouldn't have to leave the game because R&D was too incompetent to realize how strong the cards they make are.

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>>55010449

This card here made me stop going to prereleases. Feral Throwback is the embodiment of everything I hate in bad Magic cards: overcosted, underpowered, has a generic name that's impossible to remember, means nothing and has nothing to do with the card, an illustration that looks like nothing, not one but TWO shitty keywords that were immediately forgotten after the set they appeared in and also mean nothing. Only thing missing is a shitty pun or a pithy quip for a flavor text.

>>55023326
I still don't understand why provoke never became evergreen. It's a simple concept that makes sense.

>>55023364

>forcing tapped creatures to untap and block

breh provoke is way to strong

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>>55011778

I do love the flavor jackpot of a "philosopher" having an ability that does nothing.

>>55023364

My issue with Provoke is that they put it on random creatures instead of creatures that had "provocative" flavor. Provoke should only have appeared on cards with names like "Kjeldoran Dickhead" or "Icatian Asshole" but instead they put it on Feral Throwback.

>>55023392

Hexproof and indestructible are too strong and they both became evergreen.

>>55023540

Indestructible is possibly the most mediocre and disappointing keyword of all

>>55023429
>Give your Prowess creatures +4/+4

Not bad

>>55023364
At least we eventually got "fight," which is similar in concept and function, and somewhat more versatile.

>>55010449
Why would a philosopher be able to beat down two soldiers?

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>>55024037

Should could convince them to stand down or something, but what about this thing?

>>55011867
A philosopher in ancient Greece was one part university professor (indeed, the first university that even remotely resembled the modern-day concept of a higher education establishment was Plato's Academy), one part scientist, one part wizard, and one part grade-A bullshit artist. Class-wise, I'd peg most of them as bards, with Perform (Oratory) as their performance skill.

>>55016006
This is clearly a sophist, man. Socrates would talk to them and then get shot because no one really liked him besides Plato and (to a lesser extent) Aristotle.

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I still have nightmares about the monoblue/URurzatron decks at this time.
Counterbalance, Remand, Fucking Venser, Rune Snag
Was a pain in the ass to play against.

>>55016006
What does that card have to do with Socrates?

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>>55023429
Roborosewater got ya

>>55021974

It really won't because the uncounterable clause is the really important part. Some tribal decks may run both lands though.

>>55023429
>>55023601

>Increase Storm Count by 4.

>>55023429
Nigger that card would be powerful AF in a Storm deck what are you talking about.

>>55021796
Nor is it now, besides specialty products.

>>55024866
>>55024876
In what universe is a Storm deck anything other than masturbating at the table?

>>55025384
When somebody casts Enter the Dungeon. Then it's under the table.

>>55018705
it reminds of the stupid fucking coin from hearthstone.

>>55016062
The creative staff is full of ignorant fools

>>55016174
Devoid is so goddamn pointless; it could have been a single line
>This creature has no color

>>55026522
But it is one line?

>>55026522
>>55027010
I think the only reason they did it is because a colorless color indicator like they had for Transform cards wasnt as simple to understand. And if you're going to print the same rule on dozens of cards, a keyword to make it easier to convey and discuss is a fine idea.

There's nothing really wrong with Devoid itself. It's more to do with the fact that they didn't have enough ideas for pure colorless mana Eldrazi, but also didn't do much with Devoid outside of having reprints that cost 1 mana more and some limited colorless matters tribal.

>>55011806
This card is literally unplayable in modern and only borderline playable in standard

>>55020031
This is honestly one of the most cancerous cards ever printed. It enables way too many tribal bullshit decks as an auto 4-of and was only printed because too many casuals got their fee fees hurt because the mean old opponent snapcaster maged them too many times.

>>55023563
After it became evergreen they made exile super common, so that might by why you feel that way about it. WotC basically designed themselves into a hole and build an unnecessary ladder to get out of it.

>>55017308
>WHO IS HILDEGARD VON BINGEN

>>55028958
Who?

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>successfully tempo control player
>whoops guess it's a miracle :^)

>>55016174

Oh god, Devoid. I hate that piece of fucking ass shit ability so much. Whoever came up with that should be fired, even if it's Richard Garfield himself.

>the theme of our block is "colorlessness matters!"
>this is an actually new idea we haven't had before
>but coming up with hundreds of colorless cards is haaaaard
>so let's instead make a bunch of normal cards and give them a keyword that means "this counts as colorless"
>on top of that, it guarantees that nothing from this set can ever be reprinted anywhere because on top of being useless and ruining the whole point of the block, this "mechanic" is parasitic as fuck

>>55021977

There's like four different ways they could have worded that ability so that it only prevents reanimation and does not affect mill decks.

Milling is already a garbage-tier archetype enough without having one fairly common card be an instant automatic loss if it's anywhere in their 75.

>>55015942

Yes it is. Harbinger can be used as a verb, and means "to be a harbinger of" (something).

Source: fucking google it you godforsaken illiterate.

>>55023601
Can I just say that of all the dumb flavorless shit to become evergreen, Prowess has to be the dumbest. It's such a non-design.

>>55030842
What do you mean by "non-design?"

>>55020389
No clue.

>>55031016
He's an idiot who thinks he's being clever.

>>55017193

>Motion blur around the buildings
>That posture

Is she on roller skates or something?

>>55018738

If a person gets lucky they can go into their second turn with at least five mana ready to go. Things can get out of hand really fast.

>>55032052
I think she's supposed to be really fast, and her card reflects that with all of the keywords.
There's also an obvious joke somewhere.

>>55021705
2 for a 2/3 nonlegend with vigilence would be good enough, shit.

The least they could do would be GG or multicolor it.

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>>55011892
You think that's bad. At least your philospher is a learned man, and not a creepy carnie.

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>>55010449
Pictured is one of the cancers of magic. Yes, haste is a useful, even amazing ability at times. No, it's not a worthy replacement for another keyword in any kind of cycle. Haste is literally only good for one turn, and after that your creature may as well be a vanilla. It cannot be valued the same as a keyword that remains useful for the entire life of your creature. This is even more noticeable on cards like Ring of Valkas and Hazoret, the Fervent, which are almost anti-combos with haste.

The rest of pic related asshole's cycle is a bunch of mages that all have a repeatable ability, and all of said abilities are things you might *want* to do repeatedly, including on turns in which you topdeck a land or something. This poor bastard will only be used multiple times in a turn if you already cast two or more creatures in said turn, and you probably shouldn't have the mana to activate him if you've cast anything worth putting haste *on*.

I'd honestly prefer wizards keyworded *firebreathing* and passed it around as red's candy over haste.

>>55011827
I like to imagine the champion walked in, put her sword on the table and said "If you don't break the siege, I'll use this blade to slaughter your men in mass. You can't kill us and you won't survive the retaliation because I'm the motherfucking champion of Heliod."

>>55022355
It's mostly an issue when playing online. Given the quality of modo's interface, a single activation of top takes at least 30 seconds to resolve.

>>55022327
well seeing as the gatewatch's plan was "hit it till it dies" vs every enemy and somehow worked via outside sources helping. Take away that outside help, and show that they aren't special, and have a long way to go...
Classic Cocky>defeat>redemption, but in a way everyone likes, because everyone hated the gatewatch's stupid antics and lots are glad they are dispersed

>>55024037
the ancient athenians were not only ripped, they were FUCKING RIPPED etc

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>>55010449
FUCK this card. Somebody already posted lotus cobra which was pretty bad, but in my eyes THIS was the card that ruined magic. It gave precedence for mythics to be under-costed, over-statted keyword soup garbage. Now whenever new creatures are designed, take an uncommon, add +1/+1 and a keyword for rare, or +3/+3 and 3 keywords for a mythic. Fucking print a 5 mana 8/8 with upside, slap the mythic rarity on it and its ok. This SHIT needs to stop but it won't and will just lead to more mythic-creep until every deck is filled with mythics because they are strictly better than every other card printed.

>>55032759
$$$$$$$$

>>55032658
Yup. Socrates was in the army, and it's been suggested that Plato was a nickname from Aristocles' wrestling days because he was so fit.

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>>55032837

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>>55022939

Seattlefag here

Too busy enjoying the multitude of gaming conventions and LGS. This anon is just being a bitch.

>>55016953
>strawman: the post

Holy fuck you are an idiot. Don't pretend for a single second that Dominaria has any cohesion as a plane after all the shit that got crammed onto it and then justified via retcon, or that older Magic's storyline wasn't just as fucked up as it is now.

>>55017467
>curve topper in an aggressive R/G Wolf deck that helps you remove troublesome defensive creatures if your opponent manages to stabilize

Seems fine to me. I was a little upset over no direct tribal shenanigans/lord status, but EDH can wait for that if it means more cohesive Standard design.

>>55022080
>>55022136
>>55024840
I think you're forgetting that this is gonna cause most EDH players to trade in their $50 land for a bunch of good shit as they put in a <$1 land that's 80% as good in their format, where the fixing is immensely more important than counter protection. Demand will tank hard after that considering hard tribal strats in Modern are fucking dead so long as CoCo exists.

>>55033280
You're assuming EDH decks won't just run both

>>55033307
Tribal is such a popular casual EDH strategy that I can't really see Cavern carrying much more relevance in the format, and even the more competitive players will jump on the chance to trade away a Cavern for fetches that can do much more for your manabase. There will certainly be people who run both, but after this Cavern will likely be usurped in popularity outside of extremely high-power metas that are often just ridiculously expensive in general. Why pay over 100 times more to have a conditional upside that will only matter maybe once out of 4 games when you can get a slightly weaker version out of the bulk bin?

>>55024037
THE PENIS MIGHTIER

>>55033307
>>55033532
Yeah, I see it dipping somewhat. It's not like it'll tank, but lower demand or people selling them off may lead to reduced price. Even if there's a massive surge of people who want to suddenly run tribal EDH, most would probably stick with the cheap version, since it's a more casual strategy anyway.

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>>55024366
Oh god, I had suppressed those memories.

>>55017467
If you play him and flip him in the same turn, he can punch Brisela to death and live, so he's good in my book.

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>>55033593
>Even if there's a massive surge of people who want to suddenly run tribal EDH

Hmmmmm

>>55017472
Him and Momir Vig. Before Prophet was banned in commander, a Vig deck fetching her for free in the first few turns was one of the stupidest, least fun things I've ever seen in magic. Fuck combo machine commanders.

>>55034074
>precon players putting in $50 cards immediately

>>55021977
Then why does it shuffle YOUR WHOLE GRAVEYARD? Why couldn't it have been like Progenitus or Darksteel Colossus instead? This colorless nigger has singlehandedly not only killed off mill as a viable strategy in every format it's legal in, it also ruined Timmy creatures as well. Because if you can cheat out literally any creature, why not Emrakul?

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>>55011806
>Dies to Removal
Fatal Push is in standard with it, desu

>>55021474
Yeah if they are playing big dumb stompy dragons maybe you can just force them out of the game as a team effort. If they are playing a deck that actually generates card advantage and then capitalizes on it to win games with something other than normal creature damage the extra from just untapping a sol ring on turn 2 can put them ahead enough that they can win.

>>55021796
I seem to recall Mark saying in a podcast or something that they gave some small considerations to legends for commander as far as back as Ravnica or Kamigawa or something, but it wasn't anything major

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At least Wood Elemental is bad enough to be funny. Pic related is just hot trash.

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>>55032442
>Haste is literally only good for one turn, and after that your creature may as well be a vanilla.
you just gave me flashbacks to this design abomination

>what the fuck creature am I playing that I'm then able to slap a 5 mana enchantment on it so i can attack

>>55034658
I think that actually matches the flavor of the card at least. You play it on something small warrior or something, and then they're suddenly a 4/4 with haste or better.

Most of the cost is probably in the +3/+3, and it's still not an amazing card, but it's a random common, so eh

>>55034678
>I think that actually matches the flavor of the card at least
so does trample :/

>>55034692
They're not actually becoming huge though, just really angry and ferocious.

I mean, if it was +3/+3 and trample, you would just be casting it on a giant wurm or a behemoth or something, which is totally different from what the flavortext implies.

>>55032442
>This is even more noticeable on cards like Ring of Valkas and Hazoret, the Fervent, which are almost anti-combos with haste.
Fucking Ring of Valkas. The entire cycle of that equipment is to keep it on a creature so it can grow. Make it first strike instead!

And the mage cycle from that set is horrendously imbalanced, with Green's token generation and Blue's repeatable card draw.

>>55024794
I love this card from here until forever.

>>55013235
I just hate how much faggots keep forcing the meme, especially when they don't even know how the joke came about.

>>55034821
I find the meme wildly unfunny, but it'd be nice to know how it came about

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Paying ten mana across 2 or 3 turns to give ALL creatures (not just yours, your opponents get the boost too) +2/+2. For that much cost would it have been so bad to just let it only effect your creatures?

>>55034938
The joke was that all blue cards were better than non-blue cards, by virtue of being able to be pitched to Force if Will. Thus, Storm Crow being better than every non-blue card became a joke. I guess the combination of that with Storm Crow's "epic" flavor text made the meme what it is today.

>>55034952
>This was a rare in Urza's Legacy

Wew. Worst rare in the set?

>>55035073
Probably, but it also had Scrapheap and Thran Lens, which both give it a run for its money.

>>55034156
If you already own those $50 cards you might say well do so.

>>55021974
It's the cannot be countered clause that makes Cavern good though.

>>55021974
You dummy, people will just run both.

>>55035164
Scrapheap can net you infinite life without much effort. Its only fault is that it competes with engines that give you infinite damage or infinite mill.

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>>55017030
you could argue this card ruined magic for a lot of players

>>55036491
The Eldrazi in general have managed to consistently sour the game every time they show up.

>>55022355
Lots of idiots play magic.

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>>55032052
She's a speedster

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>>55032442
Haste isn't necessarily a bad keyword for a cycle, even if pretty lame, but it's almost always overcosted to hell - you're paying more mana (slowing down your tempo) for haste (speeding up your tempo). At least pic related got it right.

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>>55037067
They really aren't being subtle about turning MTG into capeshit.

>>55035164

Scrapheap seems like a card that enables an infinite life combo of some sort if you look hard enough.

Lens is just wtf

>>55034565
Ok, let me sac my creature to activate revol-oh, wait.

>>55037214

Oh shit, they got a single 2/2 token, I'm doomed.

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This piece of this.
There is not a single creature in magic more frustratingly hopeless to play against.
You can't kill it.
You can't block it.
You can't attack through it's infinitly fat ass while it smashes you for 8 a turn.
It has psuedo-vigilance too.
It's almost straight up better than Morphling for only one more mana.
It's better than Thornling and Torchling too because fuck me if Blue doesn't get the best shit despite it supposedly being the colour meant to have the worst creatures.

Everything about this card makes me want to just flip the table when I see this played.
The worst part is it's not even fucking playable in most formats, but when it is, you just stare at this little fucker across the table and know there's nothing you can do but try to race 8 a turn or throw kill spells at it to prevent that 8 and force them to exile it, assuming they don't also have counterspells too.

>>55037172
Were they ever?

>>55016953
Not anymore. They died to one of the only interesting characters in the series

>>55037440
If they're making it an 8/1 unblockable and flickering it so it can block every turn that's already 6 mana they're dedicating to NOT playing new shit
Use that to your advantage and flood the board as hard as you can.

>>55038271
None of them died though

>>55037440
>>55038295
Don't tell anon that there is a UW Prison deck that plays Aetherling as a wincon that also dodges Ensnaring Bridge.

>>55037547

It really wasn't too much of a problem before the advent of Planeswalker cards.

>>55037440
Wing Shards, bitch.

>>55038890
>In response to all of the copies, I flicker Aetherling so it's no longer attacking.

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trepanation blade ticks me off in all the wrong ways, but that's mostly because A) i've got a beef with mill in general and B) we're relatively casual at our LGS and the two people who use it are blue/black asshole types who never make any decks outside those colours

>>55011768
it's a generic white bear with conflicting flavor.
the only reason to be surprised that it's anyone's least favourite is because it's so forgettable and bland.

>>55038295
>Use that to your advantage and flood the board as hard as you can.
Any deck running Aetherling that's ready to dump 6 mana a turn into it won't be letting you flood the board any time soon mate.

>>55038890
Read the fucking card anon
>Flickers itself

>>55037440
pithing needle

>>55039074
Fair point, but most annoying cards are fine when you bring in tech for them. Aetherling is still a bitch in in RTR standard you'd just get you needle Detention Sphere'd if it was that much of an issue for the control deck.

Honestly considering the kind of deck Aetherling goes in/went in Pithing Needle will do fuck all in most games against it unless they're planning to slam it on 7-8 lands.

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1997
>Exotic aliens with strange physiologies

2017
>Shapely female Slivers with dreadlocks and boobs

>>55039474
Are there any other examples? Because this one's clearly some sorta shapeshifting sliver or whatever flavorwise. Don't see a problem with it

>>55039474
That's clearly a card from 2013 m8

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>>55039513
>this one's clearly some sorta shapeshifting sliver or whatever

The Borg in Star Trek adapt, but you don't see them wearing trench coats or vaping.

>>55039513
All M14 slivers were straight outta alien vs predator. The only other time I've been that triggered was during BFZ.

>>55037214
Revolt revolves around permanents leaving battlefield, so even when you exile your own creature the condition is satisfied.

>>55029879
Be is the verb in that sentence you stupid fuck. Harbinger is still the object.
"To be a slayer of pussy" doesnt mean slayer is a fucking verb either. "To be a massive cunt" doesnt mean cunting around is an English phrase.

>>55035073
A worse overrun still has its uses, but probably.

>>55011806
If you complain about this card you're probably a child, because only the children at my LGS have trouble dealing with this card.

>>55018705
This is my answer. The difference between having Sol Ring or not is staggering. Fast Mana is not a balanced mechanic. Sol Ring and it's brothers (Vault and Crypt) should be banned in EDH.

>>55020031
I am okay with some cards being 'uncounterable'. That is a thing that is okay, and I love playing Blue. However this is a bad way to do it. Abrupt Decay and Supreme Verdict are well designed cards that cannot be countered. This land single handedly shits all over an entire color with absolutely no cost or downside.

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>>55037112
My friend and I still yell this flavour text at each other when the other is taking too long doing anything, but it really was overcosted. Its weird how long it took them to get it right.

>>55018705
>t1 plains, sol ring, signet, go
>t2 reflecting pool into Authority of the Consuls and Thalia, Heretic Cathar for good measure
>t3 stabilize 4c mana base with a second signet
>t4 Saskia, begin punching face immediately

>still lose because I'm the only one willing to pay rhystic study triggers and avoid "tempt" cards, allowing the blue player to get an uncontested Omniscience

If you're gonna ban Sol Ring, you also have to ban Mana Crypt and other cards like it. I don't care that everyone and their dog has a Sol Ring and Mana Crypt "has downside" and is expensive and not everyone has it, you can't say "ban Notion Thief but you know what Leovold is actually fine."

In lower-power metas, becoming the archenemy for a while tends to result in the rocket start mattering less, and in high power metas, pick one of the following
"you should have had an answer in-hand, build a better deck casualfag"
"you're only bitching because he went off faster than you could, build a better deck casualfag"
"stop being a salty baby and play French or Duel or some other retard banlist"
"Early sol ring definitely creates unfair luck-based situations, and I'd love to see something done about it, but it'll never happen because of how ubiquitous the card is and Magic is structured in such a way that luck will never not play a role in the game, so talk it out with your playgroup if it's really a problem, and if it isn't, just accept the bad beats and move on to the next game"

>>55040216
Thats funny, Ive never seen thst before

>>55032759
>>55017282

these two cards are literally why i quit magic

fuck empyting your wallet every three months for this shit

>>55039474
>>55039513
>>55039559
iirc they were meant to be a different creature type but were changed at the very last moment so no new art could've been made.

>>55038860
Planeswalker cards are such a boogeyman holy shit.

Even through Khans block there was very little in MtG that felt like "capeshit". The block stories being mostly self contained and switching characters helped this significantly. Turning it into capeshit was very overt and on purpose and happened with Origins when they literally said they were doing it.

Will you guys really blame a card type for all of the problems with this game?

>>55027617
>>55029689
It's not even that they didn't have enough ideas for colorless cards, it's that the volume of true colorless cards would fuck things up. Just like in every artifact set ever, except even moreso here.
Colorless color indicator doesn't work (and they tried that)
True colorless doesn't work.
Going 'this creature is colorless' on every card apparently made people thing Forerunner of Slaugher (for example) was red, black, AND colorless, even more than some idiots already did, and 'this card has no color' isn't actual rules text - just written in a way to make it more clear as to what it is.
The only other way they could've gotten it to work is by making all the colorless matters stuff even MORE parasitic and having it be Eldrazi specific (and making all the currently devoid creatures just regularly colored) instead of colorless specific (which works with artifacts) and bringing back the Tribal type just for the Eldrazi and nothing else - and then there's the question of why Inquisition of Kozilek and the various other stuff from RoE wasn't Tribal Eldrazi. And Tribal's already got its own problems, between people not understanding why it's necessary and new players not knowing what it even IS and all kinds of shit like that.
They didn't have that many options and went with the one they thought was least bad. As much as they've been fucking up lately, I don't blame them for Devoid - it's just a color indicator that couldn't actually BE a color indicator so had to be written out.
And it's far less parasitic than it could've been, since it works with all those colorless creatures and noncreatures that have the word 'artifact' in their typeline. Plus parasitism has nothing to do with reprintability, and most Devoid cards aren't exactly named or typed for reprintability anyways.

>>55036563
Kozilek did nothing wrong.

>>55017233
You can blame Magic Online for all the opponent-only stuff nowadays.
It's always because of 'misclicks' that these abilities can't do fun things.

>>55017282
>>55020637
If you actually read what they wrote there, it'd be clear that yes, there'd be mythic tournament staples.
"They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards." This does not preclude some percentage of the list of mythics from being the set's most powerful tournament-level cards. They are also saying that they are not (intentionally) putting cards that go in every deck of whatever color at mythic, but R&D are fuckups in the extreme and don't know the difference between 'we want this to show up in tournies' and 'this will be public enemy #1 for two years'. Technically, one could argue that Lotus Cobra only goes in turboramp that wants to make a million mana turn 4 or so. Technically.
One could also note that they could be keeping their word by simply making sure generic targetted removal, dual lands, and mutavault specifically remain nonmythic, and then proceed to make all but one mythic in a set Vintage-defining while the last one is good friends with One With Nothing and Wood Elemental.
I do not think any of this is good, nor do I endorse it or mythics at fucking all. I am merely noting that - despite what is frequently claimed - Wizards has kept their word about what Mythics would be. They do not lie about such things. They just make them sound a whole lot better than they really are.
Everyone who thought Theros as a whole would be an Enchantment Matters block is an idiot though, that's their own fault and not Wizards'

>>55042655
>MTGO fault
No, WOTC doesn't really care about it so much that they design stuff for it. On the contrary, it's very neglected with dozens of bugged cards (even appearing in wotc-made cube lists). It took them weeks to program something as simple as the monarch mechanic.
Blame WOTC catering to newbies and casual players. MODO grinders don't need any more hand holding than the average paper player.

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>>55039474
>not posting Hips+Thighs Sliver

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>>55017282
>>55043072
>>55032759
I wish this wasn't considered a bad card simply because of how pushed the mythic rarity is. I really like playing and using it, but it was printed in the same block as the REAL mythic angel in the set, it just feels like a bit of chaff by comparison.

>>55043261
I managed to trade that one for the white blue oen

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>>55010449
I'm not a fan of Calciderm, either

>>55043128
They've outright stated that the reason for making things 'target opponent' 'target creature you don't control' 'you draw X cards', etc is because of MODO.
The fact that the programming team is shit is irrelevant to what the cardmaking teams are doing. And while yeah, they aren't making cards specifically because or not because of MODO, when targetting options come up they're defaulting to the MODO friendly ones because 'it doesn't matter that much and helps MODO'

>>55043261
I think the reason it's thought as such is because she isn't resistant to removal like her earlier version.

>>55043423
That's fine, I don't mind her being compared unfavourably to the other one, which tends to have a little more utility, but still. It's a solid card that does a lot of things and gives you a sink for mana, as well as having a clock and an alternate wincon. It's not absurdly broken,yet then they just print a flash/flying/combat trick/boardwipe/body in the same place to just make her worthless.

>>55039474
Hey, some planeswalker probably just used magic to produce a bunch of stupid things like "Humanoid Sliver," and "Dreadlocked Sliver."

And once they were around, all other slivers gained those traits as well.

So, we just need to find those specific slivers and destroy them, and they'll return to normal.

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>>55018618
You wanna fight nigga

>>55033841
You know the rules