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Chest hair edition

>old thread
>nothing but shitposts

>New Chaos and GK FAQ. GK invuln cheese nerfed. Cult troops are troops again. Also Daemon Princes benefit from legion tactics, neat.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/20/chaos-space-marines-and-grey-knights-updates-now-availablegw-homepage-post-4/

>Konor Campaign: Chaos comeback is on.
https://konor.warhammer40000.com/

>Check your local store's contribution to the Campaign.
https://warhammer40000.com/fate-konor-galaxy-flames/

>GW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/updated-faqs-and-boots-on-the-groundgw-homepage-post-2/
>FW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/15/new-and-updated-forge-world-faqs-july16gw-homepage-post-2/
>Codex: Space Marines FAQ
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/10/codex-space-marines-errata-now-available/
>Codex: Chaos Space Marine supplement for Daemons, Thousand Sons and Death Guard players
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/13/daemons-and-thousand-sons-in-codex-chaos-space-marines-aug-13gw-homepage-post-2/

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
>Everything 8th edition in properly converted pdf & epub, fully bookmarked and linked with in-line errata annotations
https://mega.nz/#F!bF0ExS4D!_XaMECn0K9HiJKUFSopJLA

>Other Megas
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ

>WIP Math-hammer doc (Chart-Anon doing the Emperor's work)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing
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FIRST FOR CUTEDAR
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>painting black on black

NANI?
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Patiently waiting to see if Steel Legion rumors are bullshit before I order 10 squads from Z.

I need cannon fodder for my Warhawks and Templars
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What's the pro's and con's to Tyranids compared to Orks?
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>>54997580
*plays fabius bile*
omae wa mou shindeiru
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Trying to get back into everything since dropping out midway through 6th edition.

So the indexes are stop gaps until they release 8th edition codexes?
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>>54997572
Link?
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Reposting from old thread:

So, I bought a Giant Chaos Spawn from FW, but I'm not sure the best way to get him into my chaos army. I was thinking taking a small daemon patrol detachment.

I can't take him in the same detachment as my CSM if I want the legion trait right?

‘If your army is Battle-forged, all Daemon Prince, Infantry, Bikers and Helbrute units in Chaos Space Marine Detachments gain a Legion Trait, so long as every unit in that Detachment is from the same Legion.’

Since my GCS can't join a legion, he needs to be in a separate detachment, right?
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>>54997580
meme response aside, chaos black and abbadon black have slightly different shades when they dry, leaving obvious streaks. This is easily fixed by just painting EVERYTHING abbadon black first.
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>>54997622
Correct, make it Tzeentch for a 4++, bring the changeling for -1 to hit
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>>54997609
Basically yeah. The indexes are so everyone can still play without a codex since they changed so much of the core rules.
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Necron codex when?!?!

Fix the fucking armies you broke ffs...
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>>54997630

And are the rule changes...positive, average, negative?
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https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-BE/Thousand-Sons-Legion-Osiron-Pattern-Contemptor-Dreadnought-2017

Is this beautiful motherfucker playable in 40k?
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>>54997580
>>54997627
Speaking of such, does anyone know of a spray primer that is the same color (or damn close to it) of the vallejo black? I'm fine with painting over figures with black but going over Land raiders with it seems like a waist of time.
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>>54997629
I've only got Nurgle daemons. Disgustingly resilient will still be helpful for making him more... resilient.
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are wraith heavy lists still WAACfaggotry? And what are the chances that all brands of eldar are consolidated into the ynnead faction?
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>>54997638
Yes
It's called a helbrute
>>54997645
Not when shot with a d6 weapon
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Thoughts on kommandos for 8th?
Yet to try them
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>>54997616
For what, anon?
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>>54997648
I wasn't aware wraiths were all that good at all in 8th.

>what are the chances that all brands of eldar are consolidated into the ynnead faction?

absolutely none.

>>54997654
>It's called a helbrute

ah, so contemptor dreadnoughts aren't a thing in 40k?
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Are these brushes good for painting infantry? About to buy my first start collecting box and I'm trying to save a little cash by getting some basic supplies elsewhere. Also is the normal acrylic paint at a place like Michael's good enough or should I really get Gw for that? I know some people use army painter but I didn't see it there, they just had folk art brand. Thanks guys!
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>>54997627

Oh, I didn't know about the streaks. Thanks for the tip.
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guys, what's wrong with 1d4chan?
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Is D6 mortal wound smite on a 10+ or 11+? Why do smite modifiers say, "instead of D6 mortal wounds on 10 or more" rather than "11 or more"?
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>>54997671
There are chaos contemptors in the forge world index. Not sure why he said to play it as a helbrute.
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>>54997673

Well they aren't going to do as good as a quality brush obviously, but if you're halfway decent they should be fine for just doing the rank and file. I use cheap shit brushes and they work just fine for me.
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>>54997657
Heresy-resistance training.
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>>54997677
here, this is my talos, with my not having fixed up by painting the rest of the blade abbadon black.
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>>54997704
Nothing but armchair generals and memes
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>>54997711
>p2w shot
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>>54997654
>Not when shot with a d6 weapon
He's like 74 points. If someone is going to waste a lascannon on him, that's their damn problem.
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>>54997718
So the size is ok for all the fine details on infantry characters? Which brush material is better? I don't know the difference.
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>>54997657
I need more cute Sisters of Silence!
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>>54997586
Just use Neophytes you hack
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>>54997572
QQQQQQQT!!
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>>54997707
Smite itself says greater than 10

written in more legible terms

if castingValue > 10
causeD6MortalWounds
else
causeD3MortalWounds
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How does one write Space Marines?

Personally I like to see them as lacking in core emotions like empathy and sorrow and love which makes conversing with regular humans awkward though they are mostly oblivious to it.

Thoughts?
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Which of these CSM lists do you think is better? I like them and will probably build them both over time, but would like some thoughts on either one.
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>>54997586
the steel legion rumour was based on the 7 second video which turned out to be hype for Necromunda.
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>>54997755
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>>54997673
Cheap brushes are fine.
I wouldn't gamble on cheap paint though. If you thin your paint properly you won't go through it that quickly.
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>>54997755
I don't have that many, sadly.

>>54997722
You can do it, solider!
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>>54997769
But smite modifiers say "instead of D6 mortal wounds on 10 or more" which are clearly referring to the basic smite.
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>>54997707
because Magnus and other strong psykers are gonna fuck your shit up
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>>54997671
Wraiths are strong. Wraithguard are one of the best units in the codex beside Hemlocks and Dark Reapers.

CWE suffer from lack of horde killing right now. Otherwise they're good.
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>>54997673
Michael's paints are horrid.

Their brushes are fine, but I'd still go for citadel brushes.
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Haven't posted the Kriegers in a while. Urban camo
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>>54997673
I've used those exact brushes, the really thin ones are too flimsy to work with, I've found, but the slightly thicker ones get the job done reasonably well.

used one of them for the details on WIP pic related
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>>54997633
next year
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>>54997753

If you are going to get a value pack I would suggest one with some variety in brush sizes. Get one with a brush with a very thin and short point. Those kind of value packs generally don't have the best quality, that's why they come in a pack of a couple of brushes for just a few dollars. They work just fine, honestly you don't really need expensive brushes. Some people will tell you that you will get better results with them, and in all honesty you would, but those are an investment that might be better made down the line when you've learned a bit more. You might have better luck asking in WIP i'm sure there would be some of them who would be happy to give you a detailed explanation. To be honest I don't know all of the particulars by heart. Like i said, i use mostly shit brushes with only one or two nice ones, and I picked those up because I was told they would be better by a professional not because I understood why.
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>>54997813
Michael's paints aren't horrible; but they're not for miniatures
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Is a haemonculus coven army possible and/or viable?
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>>54997837
fluff-wise? Yes.

competitively? No.
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>>54997794
Smite still says >10. None of the smite modifiers are altering the base version of smite to do d6 on 10+ in fact, most are making it only do 1 wound.

Also TIL that astropaths cast the d3 version of smite for some stupid reason but warlocks still get stuck with half-range, 1Mortal wound smite. Fuck Imperium.
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>>54997580
MOST PAINTTESTED EDITION EVER?!
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>>54997722
Event he best give in, anon.
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>>54997765
wow. no curves. just fridge mode
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>>54997758
You get 2 guardsmen for every Neophyte.

I play Steel Legion and Templars as well.
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>>54997847
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>>54997771
space marines work well in bolter porn form, think 80s action heros

>and lo the Angels of Death burst through the wall to smash some heretics
>With precision droned into them a decade ago fighting in the deathless mines of Bruplu 56 Sergeant Brutus punched through a traitor marine's helmet while putting shots into the face of another.
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>>54997906

slut
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>>54997907
Taloi and Chroni are both overcosted and ineffective at what they used to do

Haems are great

grots and wracks are infantry murderers, but struggle to kill bigger things.

their best weapons are ossefactors and liquifiers...who unfortunately lack the strength to wipe out big shit.
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>>54997829
Oh wow dude that's awesome! Looks great!
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>>54997548
>my WIP is *immediately* made an OP

N-NANI?!
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>>54998003
Thanks, good brush control can compensate for bad brushes in places, but it also helps to be Johnny on the Spot about cleaning up when you mess up.
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>>54998011
Make his chest hair in the shape of an Aquilla
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>>54997837
I would think Gee Dubs would make a coven 'detachment' or maybe even there own codex hopefully, I mean death guard and thousons are getting their own
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>this recently trending cutedar shit
>reminds me of the cancer that killed off /wowg/ threads
>hug a worgen today! panda butts!

Must you autists do this everywhere you go? We get it, you like _thing_ to excessive levels.

Please keep it to yourselves.
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What are people thinking for Plague Marine loadouts?

Ranged seems simple, 2 Blight Launchers and a Plasma on the champ.

Melee I'm think Axes with a few Flails. Maces are definitely garbage, Cleavers I'm not sure about.
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>>54998036
Damn, I wish I'd had that idea earlier. Too late now...I can't get a tool into that spot to properly shape a skull.
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>>54997737
>Angry poorfag.
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>>54997876
But smite in the brb is clearly a typo, because ALL the smite modifiers refer to a D6 10+ smite that they're modifying.
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>>54998052
>recent
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>>54998011
I always take an image from the end of the last general. Yours was the first interesting one I came across while scroling up.

Don't feel special.
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Any fan codexes out yet? Cuz I'm tempted to gift a box of these guys to my friend.
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>>54998048
I think dark eldar are going to get their own codex, with stratagems/artifacts for playing as covens, kabals, or wych cults...or possibly a mix of the 3
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>>54997805
Magnus makes smite deal more damage on a 10+ instead of D6 on a 10+, meaning basic smite is D6 on a 10+.
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>>54998055
>>54998055
I have the same view as you for melee, but I didn't realize you could get 2 blight + plasma in a 7 man squad
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>>54998048
you're forgetting one thing anon. GW doesn't care about the true kin. We aint gonna get SHIT. At least most of our stuff already looks aces.
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>>54998071
yes, recent. Before Ynaari and 8th, you didn't see this shit.
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>>54998075

Gods I hope so.

Still not expecting a codex until next year.
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>>54998090
Agreed our shit is tight as fuck booooi.
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Generally not a great painter, and while I really like having my models finished and there's satisfaction to having done it myself, I'm not a big fan of doing the actual painting. Hence things get a bit rushed at times and I've resigned to being a bit sloppy. However, I kinda feel like Death Guard don't need to be super clean? I dunno, I just hope these don't look like embarrassing ubershit.
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>>54998106
me neither. thankfully, they're fine as is.
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>>54998052
i thought thosr theeads doed becaise their wasnt enough THE AZEROTH (titan) porn
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>>54998075
They better not stick those traitor fuck Yannari in our codex! Or it shall be the day I finally "REEEEEEEEE!!!"
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>>54998128
I see a few mold lines that everyone will over hype more than likely. By I like the scheme and it looks gritty enough m8.
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If I were to run an army of assassins in vanguard detachments what HQs should I be taking? I only really have space marines, with Inquisitor Greyfax and one Tempestor Prime.
Although a dozen assassins running forward screaming surrounding a chaplain dreadnought sounds funny as fuck
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>>54998052
This isn't recent at all. Cute 40k pictures have been going back longer than you've been on the internet. Nobody cares because nobody is an autist like you getting mad over people having fun. It's literally just an excuse to post pictures; why do you care? This picture, for example is dated in my folder as 28th September 2012. And I sure as fuck didn't get it Day 1.
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>>54998139
they might have to since Ynnari only have 3 units of their own.
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>>54997921

Are there any options for when your trying to show just how different they are to regular humans when it comes to basic interactions?

>Muhreenus stood before the Townspeople he saved from the Greenskin scum, their faces a mix of relief and fear, seeing a man lose an arm to a Ork and continue fighting without so much as a scream.

>They had tried to shower the Angel with gifts as thanks, but the Astartes cared not, for the gift of fighting humanities foes had been the greatest of all

> The Townspeople felt a strange hollowness as the Astartes marched to the next Settlement, this was their lost son, who they had given up to the anvil of gods, the metal used to forge such demigods was called humanity, each pound of the hammer called war changed the shape of the metal, still made from the same component, but so ingrained with alien hatred that its new form is utterly incomprehensible to mortal men

Thoughts?
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>>54998073
ARE THOSE SPACE DWARVES
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>>54997635
Average, leaning towards positive.
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Newfag that's never played with/painted/owned a model before. Pretty big fan of Tzeentch. I only play Thousand Sons right?
If that's the case - what do I pick up if I'm primarily interested in the painting/model aspect but would like to realistically play with my army aswell? I know the obvious answers like Rubics, Magnus, Ahriman.

Thanks friends
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>>54998128
not sure if the rusted metal look is on purpose but it looks fitting.
I'm pretty bad at painting myself, I always get at least a few posts pointing out what I did wrong but I usually end up trying to use it to improve.
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>>54998173
INDEED THEY ARE. Mantic Games called the Forge Fathers for their wargame Warpath. I'm about to make some Squats for 8th
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>>54998190
tzeentch daemons are pretty good, too.
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>>54998153
Thanks, anon! Glad the gritty effect came off. I have precious little time to actually work on stuff so a lot slips under my radar, but I'm really just going for tabletop that I wouldn't be ashamed to put out.
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>>54998158
Love Can Bloom is at least as old as 2009/2010.
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>>54998158
>cute pictures aren't new
I never said that you fucking dunce.
>why do you care
Because it's the same fucking pictures, the same empty posts, the same wasted fucking space.

At least someone might feasibly use the dumb pictures I post.
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>>54998190
you can play tzeentch daemons as an army too.
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Update: Made two more kitbashed MANz, primed the others.
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>>54998202
goodbye wallt, I knew ye well
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>>54998156

What bits did you use for that?
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no bully pls

[2k Ynnari]
Battalion Detachment_
Yvraine
Autarch Skyrunner
Warlock Skyrunner

5x Corsair Skyreaver
shardcarbine
5x Corsair Skyreaver
shardcarbine
5x Corsair Skyreaver
shardcarbine
5x Corsair Skyreaver
shardcarbine

5x Scourges
dark lances (4)
5x Scourges
dark lances (4)

Vanguard Detachment_
Yncarne
Farseer

x3 Shadow Spectres, exarch
x3 Shadow Spectres, exarch
prism rifles
x10 Shadow Spectres, exarch
prism rifles
x10 Shadow Spectres, exarch
prism rifles

Farseer has 24" range for fortune, rerolling misses to hit. Autarch has an aura of reroll 1's to hit, warlock has a conceal bubble granting shadows -2 to be hit. Comes out to maximum 24 S6 AP-3 hits per 3 count squad, maximum 66 for the 10 count including soulburst bonus shooting phase of which there are plenty of min units to provide it on death. Yvraine camps back field with a unit of scourges for 8 dark lance shots from one unit with free soulburst, 4 from the other. Yncarne spawns from a dead unit on the board at any point in the game.

Not sure if its optimal to have as many min units of spectre w/exarch as I can in addition to some DL ravagers instead of the skyreaver across multiple vanguard detachments. Increasing the amount of smaller units I have gives me more soulburst but for purposes of conceal having a number of 10 is beneficial
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>>54998073
>>54998202
Those look pretty neat, I've been thinking about building Squats because I think it would be a fun hobby project but I was personally thinking of converting the steampunk dwarves from sigmar
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>>54998217
Same pictures? The dude who got first posted a picture I ain't seen before. So maybe you're on more than me. Unless more artists get onto it, we will see the same stuff. /tg/ is nothing if but stale.
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>>54998237
>Ynnari
get out.
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>>54998164

Bets in Ynnari getting a new unit while no other eldar army does??

WTB Mandrake lord or a Succubus on bike
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Yay or nay?

http://www.trademe

.co.nz/gaming/war-games/warhammer-40000/auction-1400329091.htm
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>>54998193
The rusted metal look was definitely what I was going for. One of the guys at my GW store suggested leadbelcher base > typhus corrosion wash > ryza rust drybrush. I threw on an Agrax Earthshade wash after the drybush to mute it a bit, think it helped.

I look at some of the amazing paint jobs I see and I'm envious, but I know I don't have the dedication/patience to hit that point, so I'm trying to be happy with what I can reasonably put out on my own, and hopefully just improve over time naturally.
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>>54998202
>>54998224
OH MY GOD THEY HAVE SPACE SKAVEN TOO
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>>54998221
Ork-in-a-box is my new favourite thing
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>>54998079
i've seen and played it both ways, most go with 10+ rather then 10

>>54998165
not bad, but don't forget these are the guys made to susplex orks and punch out the darkness so the common man sees them as legends that many go a lifetime without meeting. i think most marines are curt and direct because there's always a war and killing to do

>>54998237
you still haven't play tested this? get to painting already and playing already
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>>54998230
Wych body, skull from the new pack Skiratii backpack cut into 4 pieces, shealthe sword from the mk IV marines, flechette blaster from rustalkers, plasma pods from the kataphron plasma gun things
I misjudged how much filing I'd have to do to de-dark-eldar-ify the body. Oh god why is there so much filing
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>>54998158
>dat Taldeer

How can one be the Emperor's most pious servant when confronted by such things?
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>>54997835
>>54997813
>>54997673

Yeah I don't really suggest non-miniature paint. This a throw-away gaunt I had lying around I decided to paint using Liquitex Basics paint sometime last year as a test.

I thinned it down to just a bit thicker than the proper skim-milk-esque consistency, and added a drop of 20 parts waters 1 part flow-aid. I could live with it but I'd rather just use Vallejo if I want to save some dosh.
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GW wants you to make an Emperor's Children and/or World Eaters chaos lord variant. How do you design it? Name, options, looks, etc?
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>>54998242
Scibor's got some space dwarves too, thought they need some more beardage as far as I'm concerned.
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>>54998259
Cool site
>.co.nz
Kiwis only? Or can a Burger get in on this?
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>>54998286
YOU MUST Not him but I was being bullied ;_;
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>>54998251
So that guy is clearly a cheese monger BUT are Yannari lists all so bad? I sort of like the idea of a Visarch and a butt ton of incubi. Is that faggotry of the highest level?
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>>54998297
Literally update Lucious
They resurrected fucking Guilliman before re sculpting iconic characters
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>>54998278
also skitarii pouches and bullets from heavy bolter belts and scions/scouts
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>>54998301
I love how chunky they look, but the lack of beards is a problem, I will have to correct that with greenstuff if I get some.
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>>54998313
Do what I did. Convert the Visarch into Drazhar.
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>>54998286
She is overrated and dead anyway, any banshee is cuter than her.
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>>54998269
Well, I run Emperor's Children, seeking perfection is kind of part of the package.
Seems like you're emulating the "doesn't matter" aspect of your chosen cult legion too though.
If you practice you will get better, the more you paint the more you'll get better, filtering through criticism and looking for the things you can improve on objectively is a good way to improve too. You will get people who don't help and just say "it's shit" though too.
Just keep painting anon, I guess that might be easy for me to say since I do want to improve and I kind of enjoy the painting itself, but you should still try.
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>>54998305
Well it's NZs version of ebay. Not sure on international deals. If you're willing to pay shipping, you might be able to get it.
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>>54998330
now she's a wraithknight for all the dreadnoughts to lust after
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>>54998278

Thanks anon. I love conversions. A lot. I'll probably try something similar with a bit of my own spin. Thank you. I think it looks great.
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>>54998297
Kharn just got an updated sculpt but I guess if I have to do one then some sorta juggernaut rider, just to force GW to put juggerlords back in the damn codex. Give him a daemonic spear with a flamer built in and give him a brass collar. Fuck it, make him full-on anti-psyker with +1s to hit and wound anything with the psyker keyword.
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>>54998369
9 to go
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>>54998330

I remember that image. It was quite shitty. You need better taste in 40k porn.
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>>54998314
Lucious is half decent. Abaddon...

Fuck. How the shit is he supposed to be the big bad with a 20 year old model?
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>>54998330
>ancient sexual predator and space marine adolescent "I am 12 solar cycles of age and what are thou"
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>>54998314
That's not what I'm asking silly anon. I mean more like giving those legions their own generic HQ esque thing, like an Exalted Sorc for TS or (presumably) a Lord of Contagion for DG when they get a full release.
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>>54998391
there is no good 40k porn
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>>54998259
>Tauranga

Lol it's probably stolen goods.
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>>54998388

8 Arco-Flagelents, 9 crusaders, 9 repentia, 8 squads of Sisters 2 go myself.
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>>54998400
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>>54998402

Das a lie and you know it.
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>>54998276
True, but I like the idea of personality shifting between chapters.

i.e

A Dark Angel would be really shady and dodge most questions aimed at them, or just remain silent altogether

Fists would have a strong sense of brotherhood and be straight to the point.

Iron Hands would have you sweating like a Cadian in a regiment of Commissars
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>>54998297
>>54998370
In following this theme, Slaanesh Lord on a Boobsnake would be nice for 40k without needing to do conversions.
For equipment, power sword and meltagun with a doom siren would be cool.
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>>54998276
>play tested
I'm too busy making and painting armies that aren't even mine anon..
>>54998251
Vanilla eldar/deldar are lame and have shit waifu aside from Macha
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>>54998402
There is, but blue board.

Also nothing triggers aspies like uncensored tits.
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>>54998437
40kg gets triggered by sex more than any other general.
Can you imagine being so autistic that the idea of a normal human activity makes you froth at the mouth?
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>trying to sell my NoS Knight Errant on local FB page
>no bites
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>>54998424
>>54998437
I guess I'm the only one here with taste
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>>54998434
>W-waifus dictate what army I play!
That better be tongue in cheek or else... we'll nothing I just really hope your being funny honestly.
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>>54998454
>FB page
I think I found your problem
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>>54998052
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>>54998330
The russians are getting steadily better at it.

>>54998402
This is true.
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>>54998454
You'll have better luck on ebay or craigslist over normiebook.
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>>54998437
>>54998453
Wrong.
This guy
>>54998458
Is baiting for porn at this very moment.
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>>54998482

DAMN THAT RUSSIAN. Fuck it, i'm figuring out how to model that damn shota for my army. Fuck it.
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>>54998402
This russian stuff is the closest I've seen. Can't fap to it but it gets me diamonds.
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>>54998482
Crappy sameface.
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Just got back in to 40k, and there's a new edition changing everything. Is there a Necron codex out yet? How good are they now?
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>>54998402
Hahahahahhahahaha. i've made imgurs of curated stuff and most of it is shit but I've tried to salvage stuff.

>>54998458
FUCK YOU JUST ASK.

http://imgur.com/a/edQ1J

http://imgur.com/a/pYxT8
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>>54998313
People are just buttblasted from 7e. They're the same people that think a Wraithknight should cost 100+ points more than an imperial knight and be worse in every way because they were good in 7E.

Also the Visarch is terrible. Worst rules of any model in either triumvirate. He can't even cast spells and doesn't provide an aura. Like what the fuck were GW thinking with him? He's fucking useless. Hell, he doesn't even get an invuln save or a lot of attacks for his cost.
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>>54998475
>>54998488
It's a dedicated buy/sell/trade page for tabletop shit. Bunches of posts per day. Recently it's been sprees of people trying to offload $600 armies while not wanting to part out or someone buying/selling 1 half of Dark Imperium. I wanted to try there first before I head to bartertown/miniswap.
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>>54998470
It is VERY tongue in cheek but the ability to convert and personalize the army really goes into my decision. I can do so much with a ynnari aesthetic
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>>54998526
Holy shit anon.
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>>54998540
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>>54998429

I mean there are a literal metric ton of space marine books, you could try reading some of those. Some of them are even approaching readable.
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>>54997638
Sorta. You could use it as a hellforged contemptor
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>>54998482
now it might look structurally unsound given that cookies tend to crumble when wet, but thats all solved by having their inner walls slavered by chocolate
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>>54998341
You nailed my approach in that it's legion accurate, but that I would like to gradually improve. I think it's a reason I shied away from Slaanesh stuff. I think Noise Marines are awesome and would totally go for a squad of black metal/Kiss marines, but there's that perfection aspect that I know I wouldn't do justice to. Lucky me I've always like the Death Guard fluff and color scheme.
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>>54998526
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This thread went to shit fast. Someone call the /pol/tards in so that we can have a purge please.
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>>54998526
My first response is 'wow' my second response is 'why'. Why did you do this? Why the effort?
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>>54998534

They FAQ'd the Visarch to a 4+ invuln, for hwat it's worth.
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>>54998575
Boredom, mostly. I have way more R34 porn but Imgur is a bitch to upload to and the Dropbox I made is shit for people wanting to quickly browse.
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>>54998547
The irony in that meme is palpable
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>>54998164
Ynnari are either Indexquatted or Eldar are all getting rolled into a single book.
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>>54998526
lots of repeats but that's shitty imgur for you, thanks anon.
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>>54998575

There any more to that comic of the sister and demitrius captured by Slaneeshi cultists?
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>>54997771

Personally? I portray them as killing machines with personalities bolted onto them. They've undergone years of subliminal indoctrination and combat drills that have implanted transhuman killing ability and combat behavior before most other boys have appreciable chesthair. The need for culture and socialization is hijacked by the chapter's cult. When they walk into a room the first thing they think is 'how do I kill everything in here in the least amount of time, and then kill whatever is stupid enough to come inside to see what happened.' They plan their off days around addressing the need to kill nightmares from before Sol started fusion. Every emotion and every reflex has been weaponized.

But there's still a person under all that. A person who enjoys working with Knight Errant Sinclair, when he has the fortune of striding beside her ancient war engine in battle. There's a person that likes to take his helmet off when it's raining because there is no such thing on his desert-wrapped homeworld.
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>>54998569
My Noise Marines are still unfinished, only things I have fully painted in my army are two squads of chosen, a Daemon Prince, roughly 1000pts of Daemons of Slaanesh, and a commissioned Heldrake and Terminator Chaos Lord that I didn't even paint.
I'm working on it though.
Also I think you did okay with your Death Guard theme, not pro painter level but acceptable "these are mine and I painted them" level.
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>LEMON

>JUICE
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>>54998258
They will get their codex:Crone Worlds Eldar. Watch that shit! Bunch of daemon worshippers that they are.
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>>54998526

>Daemonettes with more than one tit
>Tau with any

If only my autism didn't rule me so.
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>>54998618
Thanks, that's actually made me feel better and given me a push to work on the plague marines tonight.
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>>54998615
I was the one who uploaded it and yeah.

http://imgur.com/a/QZuaG

That should be the right order fuck knows it's imgur.
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>>54998626
Running around looking for CRONE swords worshiping DAEMONS. Unleashing Daemons into the dark city. FEEDING ON ELDAR SOULS.
Search your hearts anons and screen cap this shit.
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>>54998526
>load 10 more images of 107
>load 10 more images of 150

Anon, I... I don't know what to say.

I'm adding these to the OP from now on.
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>>54998643

Deamons form can be malleable, so it could change in order to appeal to people.

That is clearly Tau propaganda which is intentionally innacurate and designed to confuse the weak willed and tempt them with lies of lascivious Xenos.
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>>54998643
Pretty sure one of the Shadowsun books says she has breasts, her armour shows as much. As for tits, Shroud of Night says they might see Daemonettes with 3 breasts if they use Emperor's Children's stimms. So, yeah?
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>>54998648
Good, you should enjoy the painting too, put on some music or something to listen to while you paint, maybe have a drink or two to sip while you paint.
Good luck anon, and have fun, it's a hobby not a job.
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>>54998626
>another eldar faction
Pls stop Phil
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>>54998662
So many of them are repeats in one of those links because imgur fucked up and double saved them, but, OK. Shouldn't matter too much.
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>>54998674
No Ynnari were them the whole time just expanded on!
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>>54998674
Exodite Eldar will be a thing eventually.
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>>54998088
you can do it in 5 man squads

but it makes papa sad !_!
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>>54998577
My bad, you are correct. I was going off my copy of the book and forgot the FAQ. Still a do-nothing hero compared to force multipliers(farseer, warlock, autarch, yvrainne) and cc monsters(Avatar, Yncarne). Doesn't even come in as the cheapest Ynnari hero (that would be yvrainne) so you don't even get to take him just for the army special rules at a bargain.

He gets worse when you realize that most armies get heroes who can effectively fill both roles.

I honestly can't find a way to field him that doesn't feel like a waste. If I want a killy autarch I just look to yriel who's 2/3rds the price and almost as deadly while still keeping his reroll1s aura.

That all being said and done I own a Visarch and holy fuck that model is bad ass. I want to field him with Yvrainne just for fluffy reasons and to show off the paint job he's going to fucking score.
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>>54998626
>daemon worshippers
what? I thought the crone worlds were just full of daemons. They have chaos eldar on them?
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>>54998691
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>>54998690
>>54998691
>for each complaint about marines gw shits out another redundant or model less eldar faction
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>>54998711
crone worlds were swallowed by the Warp.
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>>54998732
To be fair, Exodites have been around in fluff for ages and are pretty cool. Who DOESN'T like dinosaurs?

>>54998724
If only. I hope there is a Dragon Knight like those riders from the Raven Guard mini-story from Death Watch book.
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>>54998643
how about
>numerous chaos SoB
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>>54998747
I know. Its also were the spirit stones come from. but are there eldar on said crone worlds and do they worship the powers of chaos?
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>>54998760
S-sorry, I just tried to upload this...
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>>54998237
Corsairs are shit but you make up for it with the disgusting Shadow Spectres spam.
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I have a ton of spare marine models that I don't need for my army. I was thinking of starting a chaos army. Could any chaosanons help me out with picking a legion?
I'd prefer
>Using daemons/summoning
>Decent looking daemon models
>Close Combat specialization
>Mid to low emphasis on vehicles
>Cool Color Scheme
>Not completely trash legion tactics
I'm kind of leaning towards word bearers based on the fluff, but I don't have the chaos codex, so I can't tell if I'd want to use their rules. I'd be down to do some conversions in order to get cult marines.
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>>54998772
just busting your balls.

>>54998771
yes.
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>>54998669

Nah that's just her armor, we have more models of tau females now and the only difference is the face slit.

The Daemonette thing is just a personal pet peeve. Everyone forgets that they're supposed to be androgynous to appeal to everyone, not just straight dudes.
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I kinda wish GW would add more detachments. The current ones are okay, but some armies will never be able to run stuff like the Brigade Detachment and the limits of theBattallion detach doesn't feel very fair to armies with few troop choices. The smaller ones (1HQ, 3 Troop/FA/HS/Elite) are a step in the right direction, but some other +3 CP formations would be nice to have. Something like 2-4 HQ, 1 Elite, 1 Troop, 1 HS, or 1-3 HQ, 2 FA, 2 Elite, or 2-5HQ, 1 FA, 2HS. Just stuff to mix it up and give more options.
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>>54998237
>Ynnari
Bad start, but fine if it's fluffy

>Shadow Spectre spam
nope

Can you not
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>>54998796
I thought daemonettes were supposed to be beautiful and monstrous in equal amounts to appeal to everyone. They go full galactus - they take the appearance of whomever they're looking at finds beautiful.
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>>54997638
I painted mine in post-heresy colors and just field him as a hellforged contemptor with a chainfist.

I hope Thousand Sons would get access to psychic dreadnoughts when our codex comes out, but if CSM's ancient ass models didn't even get an upgrade then I seriously doubt an army that isn't even a year old would get new models.
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>>54998796
Why would they model boob plate onto them if they didn't have boobs? As I said, one of Shadow Suns stories mentions her getting naked in front of people and she was as you'd expect.

>>54998786
It's cool, was memeing anyway.
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>>54998778
Make your own renegade chapter / legion warband, anon.
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>>54998616
YES! THATS WHAT I MEAN!

While its fun to read Marines blazing across the Galaxy purging uncounted evils it can be equally fun and also quite tragic to read what they had to sacrifice to face that evil.

The absolute kicker for me is when a Marine experiences a feeling which is alien yet familiar. because its alien, every fibre of his beings hates and purges it with all his inner might, yet it persist.

And that's because that feeling is love, a Space Marine has been genetically engineered to hate the very thing which makes him human.

I feel that this is what adds layers of depth to a Marines character.
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>>54998776
Yeah corsair aren't great but as a troop having fly on 18" move, small minimum unit number and the ability to make them cheaper by swapping weapons they're absolutely perfect for what's needed. To die within 7" of my other units.
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>>54998786
>yes
neat.
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>>54998732
Yeah it's kinda dumb how Ynnari have 3 fucking models all of whom are hqs while primaris get 4 squads, 6 hqs and 2 tanks.

Would have thought with making a new army list you'd want at least one new unit.

Harlequins is even weirder since Death Jesters, Shadowseers, Troupe Masters, and Troupes used to all be in the normal book and got split off thanks to the addition of 3 models.

Hopefully GW properly expands both into proper armies this edition like GK, BA, SW, DA, Death Guard and 1k Sons.
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>>54998760

There are sisters who have been turned to chaos in canon. Frankly it would be silly if there weren't since they are only human and anyone can fall to chaos.
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>>54998778
Word Bearers are fine if you actually do want to use Daemon Summoning, the Dark Pact stratagem is super useful for Daemon Summoning, the Cursed Crozius is a direct upgrade on a power maul, and you can still use the cult units as Elites.
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Why can't cron/ork/tau get some sub faction
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>>54998862
there has been -A- sister who has turned to chaos.
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>>54998786
>yes
sauce? cos no offense but i think that's a steaming crock of horseshit
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>>54998805
b-but anon what do you want me to do?
Field wraithguard? Wyches? Kabalite? DARK ELDAR HQ??
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>>54998862
just one, anon. not squads, not entire orders, just
a
single
one
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>>54998869
they made a post on how everyone was getting sub-faction. Like chapter/legion tactics.
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>>54998862
There's been one sister who has done it willingly. There has been several under hypnotism and pysker and shit.
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I'm trying to come up with an Iron Warriors list. Do you guys think 10 Lascannon shots is a bit overboard?
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>>54998849
>can literally do the same thing with Imperial Soup
Are you fucking kidding me
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>>54998888
Quads of hope and truth.
>>
I kinda don't want to buy, build, paint, or use my old Space Marines.

Even if you could make an argument that a specific type of unit (e.g. Devastators) is still useful. I'd rather use the Primaris marines instead.

The repulsor alone is better than any other space marine vehicle/tank in terms of damage output and versatility.

Anyone out there also fielding only primaris these days?
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>>54998190
If you're still around, try starting out with 2 squads of rubrics and a Sorcerer to start practicing assembling and painting. Duncan has some excellent tutorials for how to paint them you can find on Youtube. Unfortunately, 1ksons are not the most beginner friendly army for painting so I'd recommend getting some practice in before trying your hand at the more centerpiece models like Ahriman or Magnus.

You can also run Tzeentch Daemons alongside Thousand Sons without any problems. If you're interested in that, I'd recommend the Tzeentch Daemon start collecting box.
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>>54998875
Croneworld Eldar have been a thing since forever.
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>>54998823

What boob plate?

And if I remember correctly the novel only says she was beautiful, it never says she had breasts.
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>>54998886
>just one

imperial propaganda
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>>54998875
There's some "non-canon" older sources that talk about it, but as for something recent, if you look in the main rulebook's fluff on Eldar you see a blurred out static image with [DATA EXPUNGED] for an unnamed Eldar group. All others are accounted for, presumably these are the Crone World dudes. Grain of salt, cause that's only conjecture.
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>>54998823
Male tau don't have nipples, no nipples no breasts.
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>>54998862
Eh, a desk lamp could fall to chaos so I don't see any issue with whole swaths of chaos sisters. Hell they dropped like flies in the Daemonifuge comic...
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>>54998900
yes they have, but have they been worshipping the chaos gods? I highly fucking doubt it
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>>54998870
this always annoys me, marines fall by the dozens but sisters are so faithful that only 1 in their entire history has fallen? i think there's a cover up here. what is the Inquisition not tell us!?
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>>54998870
>>54998886

Only one who did it willingly. The fact that they have to specify implies there are other who have fallen against their will.
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>>54998920
It's the only way to survive there. They're literally in the middle of the Eye at the whim of the Gods.
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>>54998888
I meant like how eldar keep getting standalone subfactions why cant the other xenos get something. I hope it is more exciting than CTs
>Red <Klans>, <Septs>, <Dynasties> get morale reroll
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>>54998862
When you're constantly surrounded by a bunch of hyper-zealous maniacs obsessed with purity all day, it's pretty hard to show even the slightest amount of corruption without getting immediately executed.
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>>54998928
source?
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>>54998903
Never mind I was thinking of some other artwork. Either way, I seriously doubt they don't have breasts, evolution alone dictates they do.
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>>54998928
the rest are generally being controlled and/or possessed.
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>>54998934
And in what book where does it say this? Because unless you have a citation, your headcanon doesn't count, m8
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>>54998941
Not him but there are some oldish books where a daemon or psyker controls a few dozen SoB.
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>>54998870
>>54998886
That "only one" who fell willingly hypnotised and brainwashed/mind-raped her sisters until they fell to Chaos as well.
Personally I hope they retcon her death and bring back Heretic Sororitas.
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>>54998897
Well I don't, they are more of a support role for my manlets.
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>>54998960
Pretty sure she didn't do it. It was a psyker/daemon who she slew and then went off to have more sex with Slaanesh.
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>>54998946

What? Most life doesn't have breasts. Only mammals have breasts.
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>>54998960
>hypnotised and brainwashed/mind-raped her sisters until they fell to Chaos as well
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>>54998893
You'll do great against the half the meta that is vehicle spam and be useless against the other half of the meta that is horde spam.

On the other hand, it'll be hilarious the first time you fight a Thousand Sons player and his Magnus is obliterated turn 1.
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>>54998960
I'd rather have chaos warped tau with khorne battle suits wielding buzz-saws and flamers
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>>54998973
Chickens have breasts
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>>54998986
You left out the Oni-motif. I'd start that shit in a heartbeat if Chaos-Tau looked like Oni.

4th Sphere Expansion fleet when?
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>>54998960
Only if we get plastic Heretic Sororitas before plastic loyalist ones.
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>>54998955
Rogue Trader/2nd ed fluff if Im not mistaken, also mentioned in Atlas Infernal and hinted at in the 8th ed rulebook.
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>>54998977
How does an invuln only failing on 2's die in one turn to 10 lc shots
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>>54998977
>that feel when your super expensive model that is also warlord gets ganked without it ever doing anything so the enemy scores 2 or more points easily
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>>54998973
And if they were anything else than mammals then they'd show other signs of it. If they were reptiles, they'd lay eggs. If they were birds, the same. Fluff suggests they give live births which is a trait mammals have. Apart from the duck billed platypus, the freak. So that leaves a need for nourishment and that likely comes from boobs.

Until the fluff states they lay eggs and they're hatched in incubator cities or some shit, then I'll go with the belief they're mammalian based. I doubt they're fungus like the Orks (and even they have genitals).
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>>54998971
What?
>>54998975
Yes I know, I swear it was on purpose, did you see her tongue?
>>54998986
That would also be cool.
>>54999000
I would be so okay with that you have no idea.
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>>54998998
my reaction
>>54998975
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>>54998955
There's no citation, but there's common sense.

Here's what we know:

1. There are Crone Worlds in the Eye of Terror wheren the Eldar used to live.
2. These are extremely dangerous places overrun by the forces of Chaos. CWE have to ninja in and out if they want to grab soulstones or artifacts.
3. There are Eldar that still live on the Crone Worlds in permanent residence. These used to be outright "confirmed" (i.e. in the old Inquisition Wars novels), but even now they are hinted at (for example, in that main rulebook listing the main groups of Eldar).
4. In these older sources, they were Chaos worshippers.

We can presume that Crone World eldar still worship the Chaos Gods if those hints are taken as confirmation of them still being canon. How else would they survive and not just get instantly chomped on by Slaanesh? They would need the patronage of the other Gods to make it.

Furthermore, even though the Inquisition War books aren't canon, that doesn't mean every little thing was removed from the universe. Shit like Squats in the Throne Room, or Jaq Draco talking to the Emperor, etc., that's what got axed. There's nothing in the current canon that contradicts Crone World eldar being Chaos worshippers, and it's the only explanation that makes sense.
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>>54998993
Fucking cluck'd
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>>54999001
>Rogue Trader/2nd ed
Yeah, cos that's all totally valid now, isn't it?
>8th ed
Huh, I can't seem to find it. How unexpected
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>>54998998
We are getting non empire models
What that is we shall see
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>>54999000
DELETE
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Do models with the Titanic keyword not suffer penalties for shooting heavy weapons after moving or does my baneblade now hit like an ork after moving an inch?
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>>54998986
I want Slaanesh Tau, Tau are controlled by pheromones right?
Slaanesh Fiends literally have pheromone musk as a special ability.
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>>54999010

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/160116-animals-mating-sex-birth-sharks-snakes-reptiles/

A fuckload of non-mammals give birth to live young. And that's on earth, Tau are aliens from a completely different planet.
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>>54999040
Demiurg. Screencap this. Squats were always Sci-Fi Haflings/Gnomes. Demiurg were the Dwarfs. Or, depending on which edition you're reading, the other way round.
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>>54999049
it hits like an ork
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>>54999028
oh my fucking god.

it's the only explanation that makes sense? How long have you been into this hobby?
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>>54999068
I'm not seein a counterargument, buddy
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>>54999055
At best Chaos doesn't give a fuck about Tau due to their low warp presence, at worst they are actively hostile towards them for their atheistic attitude. No Futa Kroot for you.
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>>54999066
Damn, how come russes get to fire at full bs and the big guys don't? That ain't fair
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>>54999049
titanic keyword doesn't do anything, what does it say for steel behemoth?
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>>54999055
I don't want to see a slaanesh or khorne variation of everything, just a caste that the god REALLY takes a liking to, like stealth suit slaanesh or nurgle vespid
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>>54999060
Sharks don't really give live births though, it's an internal sac where the egg is fertilised, it's like a carrying pouch. As for reptiles, it's the exception not the rule. T'au show no signs of being anything but mammalian. While it'd be neat if they were reptile based (and hinted at Old One creations) I seriously doubt it and will stick to the belief that they have breasts for milk production, since Shadowsun considers giving up and having a kid at one point and she'd need time off to care for it, which suggests a need for you know, milkies.
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>>54998998
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>>54999083
because the big boys have Heavy weapons, and russes don't.

Besides, most of the baneblades weapons have pretty decent range. Keep them in the back and annihilate shit with them.
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>>54999061
Dude people have been talking demiurg for a while now
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>>54999049
>>54999090
>titanic keyword

its a negetive trait in most of 40k, it doubles damage you receive from macro weapons.

it also allows you to fire them
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>>54999074
a counter-argument? to the eldar, who never worship chaos, not even the edgy cousins, worshipping chaos?

This is your headcanon, and nothing more. The attempts to justify it are equal-parts embarrassing and enraging.

modern-day eldarfags are the absolute worst.
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>>54999049
It'll say on their datasheet if they ignore the heavy weapons penalty. For example, I know on the Lord of Skulls datasheet it specifically mentions they can ignore the penalty in their rules.
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>>54999049
>>54999083
>most playtested etc. etc.
>>54999090
Steel Behemoth just says that you can shoot if you're in close combat and it modifies your cover rules. That's it.
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>>54999107
Yeah but I'm ITK, m80. I've known for a few years. But it got delayed due to good T'au sales and 8th coming up.
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>>54999113
>the eldar, who never worship chaos

except the ones who do
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>>54999090
Pretty much just allows it to fire at shit if in close combat, nothing else unless it has been errata'd

>>54999105
Fym russes don't have heavy weapons? Every turret weapon on the russ is "heavy"
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>>54999129
oh yeah, i forgot, the ones who worship chaos so they can loot soulstones and wraithbone

to apparently destroy I geuss?
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>>54999113
>this is your headcanon

there is literally a reference to crone world eldar in the rulebook, with crone worlds <REDACTED> which makes no sense unless they've got something to do with daemons...which would get their existence censored.
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>>54999113
Fairly sure I've seen mentions of Chaos Eldar in canon before
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>>54999113
I recall reading some fluff that there's small fringe groups of Dark Eldar who occasionally turned to worshiping Slaanesh in an ill-fated attempt to not get devoured, but I have no idea about Crone World Eldar. I don't think there's much lore about them to decide one way or the other.
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>>54999078
After being exposed to the Warp Presence of Khorne Berzerkers and Khornate Spawn some Tau Fire Warriors lost their shit and charged into melee overcome by a berzerker rage.
Their warp presence is tiny but they are corruptible and some daemon possessed battle suits would be cool.
>>54999091
That works too.
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>>54999083
>plays guard
>its not fair
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>>54999061
I think it is most likely Enclaves stuff

>>54999083
Weird balancing, like upping BS for fliers cause they always move and their weapons are all heavy
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>>54999157
>crone world <REDACTED>
Daemon incursion, do not holiday here
>>54999159
You and every other eldar cocksucker in this thread
>>54999160
>I recall
not well enough, otherwise I'd have a book name as a legitimate citation.

Burden of proof is on you faggots, you're the one claiming this shit with nothing but "trust me" to back it up
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>>54999183
Not an argument.
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>>54999126
If you're ITK tell me that I'm right by saying Archon is going to find himself in the 40k universe with a warband the same way Draigo found himself in fantasy
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>>54998526
>lictors raping guards(wo)men
Oh yes
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>>54999126
In what now?
And why would Tau selling well delay them?
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>>54999049
>>54999090
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>>54999183
you're the only one here pretending crone world eldar aren't a thing.

So if I block my ears and loudly insist that there's no guard who ever turned to chaos, does that make it so?
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Not table-top really but... decided to play Imperium of Mankind in Stellaris... and to make it authentic I made 35 'races' from 40k. Specifically 15 of those 'races' are the various Ork Waaaghs! All Fanatical Militaristic.

I've expanded the Imperium early on... my corner of the galaxy is mostly empty. I just finished purging an Eldar fiefdom... when suddenly a new empire has translated my language. And then another. And then another.

8 of the 15 Ork Waaaghs! are a nearby neighbor I had yet run into. All of them have formed a federation.

>The_Beasts_Empire.exe

WELP. Time to purge.
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>>54999186
Not a citation.
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>>54997580

shit it's almost as if one is matte and the other is glossy. Nah nevermind I'm an idiot that is too obvious.
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>>54999205
Crone world eldar are and have always been a thing. I have never not said that.

They just don't worship chaos, you dumb piece of trash.
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Why is it that every time I see an "argument" on this thread it's always a bunch of people agree with each other against one person who keeps asking for proof, or sources and then saying "but not those sources, those don't count" when people give him what he asks for?
Is everyone on this board retarded or something?
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>>54999061
Why would anyone want them? What do they even do? Aside from a small aside about being economically focused.
And I thought "hrud like" was the latest xenos rumour
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>>54999188
Archaon*
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>>54999227
Yes.
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>>54999138
Russes have Grinding Advance, which means their turret weapons don't suffer the -1 to hit after moving. This rule does NOT apply to Heavy Stubber/Storm Bolter or sponsons.
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>>54999227
>aren't those guys who argue just as bad
Burden of proof is on the people claiming the facts.

Still waiting on the citation. One doesn't exist apparently, because it has yet to be posted
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>>54999227
>Is everyone on this board retarded

pretty much, a popular saying on the internet is:

Stupid peopole go to reddit to act smart
smart people go to 4chan to act dumb
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>>54999183
>Getting this booty blasted about the stories surrounding his toy soldiers
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I have

>1 Tau Commander
>1 Cadre Fireblade
>6 Crisis Suits
>22 Fire Warriors
>10 Breachers
>15 Pathfinders
>1 Hammerhead
>1 Devilfish
>1 Piranha
>1 Railside
>6 Stealth Suits
>A whole mess of drones

How do I turn this into a competent 1000pt army? Anything I should put on the shopping list for the future?
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>>54999183
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>>54999242
Dude, everyone knows that Superman and Batman are canonically gay for each other I remember reading it in a bronze age comic that I don't have a pic from but believe me that is honestly the case

sriosly
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>>54999244
By looking at their respective points values plus the values of any equipment that they have and adding up the totals until you have a total of 1000pts.
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>>54999242
listen man, I don't have a horse in this race, but everyone here takes their toy soldiers seriously. Lets not pretend that we don't.
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>>54999239
Codex: Space Marines(3e)
Atlas Infernal(novel)
Codex: Chaos Daemons(4e)
Angel Exterminatus(novel)
Codex: Craftworlds(7e)
Warhammer 40,000 rulebook(8e)
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>>54999217
>They just don't worship chaos, you dumb piece of trash.

The fluff doesn't say that either. At best canon is just silent on the matter.
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>>54999234
I thought as much but didn't want to assume. I mean, I know I'm retarded because I keep coming back here, but I figured that at least one person had to have a functioning brain, but I guess not.
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>>54999247
OH SHIT, IS THAT SOME RETCONNED 2ND EDITION COS I THINK IT IS
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>>54998526
Dayum.
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>>54999268
Show me the retcon
<citation needed>
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>>54999268
d-doesn't count!
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>>54999266
>>54999273
>>54999275
If something only existed in the 80's and hasn't been touched upon since, it's no longer canon.

Bet you retards think the ultramarines chief librarian is still the strongest psyker in the universe

Thanks for proving yourselves woefully impotent.
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>asked about chaos eldar
>leave to go do stuff
>come back
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>>54999298
Apparently you touched a sore subject for a sad little man

ELDAR ARE PURE.
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>>54999289
Citation needed for the retcon.
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>>54999289
well, considering numerous pieces of evidence have said that's no longer the case, but there has been nothing retconning crone world eldar having turned to chaos to survive, I'd say you're full of shit.

Keep up that false equivalence though.
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>>54999314
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>>54999261
Thanks anon.
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>>54998128

The metals look AMAZING. Truly, you've achieved max rank int hat skill.

Everything else is shit. The white especially. But I believe in you.
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>>54999289
False equivalence. Plenty of new canon exists that retcons the halfbreed Librarian, whereas nothing exists that retcons chaos croneworld eldar.
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>>54999262
But when you start sperging out about your toy soldiers, unable to realise how autistic you are being i think its time to just be quiet and relax.
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I haven't read it personally, but there's a chaos worshipping eldar society in this book according to my friend.
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>>54999244
>>54999244
I made you a quick list in 5 minutes
1 fusion mander for armour
bunch of troops for volume of fire
decent MLs

Buy more based off what you want your army to look like.
IE, suits for suit army, more transports for troop armies, etc...
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>>54999359
>be quiet and relax
You're on an anonymous image board on the internet.
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>>54999329
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>>54999186
Who made the not an argument meme and how do i go back in time and blow their brains out before they make this timeline a reality
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What would a good heavy-focused Craftworld army look like? At 1000 or 1500 points.
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>>54999405
some dumb fuck in canada who drinks his own kool-aid is were it comes from I think. How it became a meme is a trick question, for memes just are, anon. memes just are.
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>>54999405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL0ZUm6Ldlk
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>>54999239
Just to clarify, in case you missed it, when I asked if everyone was retarded I didn't mean everyone except a handful of people because "we couldn't possibly be retarded, it must be those people who don't agree with us"
I meant EVERYONE, that's including me, the people you're arguing with, and most of all you.
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>>54999423
christ. I haven't watched one of his videos in forever. I need to lie down and kill myself.
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>>54998819
I think the fact that they're a shiny new army actually makes them more likely to get a new release.
If nothing else FW might come to the rescue and make some 40k rules.
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>>54999384
Doesnt mean that is okay to unleash your power levels and fucking sperg out about it m8
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>>54999405
Some ancapistani youtube eceleb faggot. Please do us a favor and kill him for us.
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>>54999453
This is the one fucking place you're supposed to unleash your power level you dipshit, that whole power level meme originated from fucking 4chan and people unleashing their 4chan mode outside of 4chan.

Holy shit I'm not even involved in your stupid NPC race discussion and you've caused me to sperg out because you kept sperging out over someone else sperging out.
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>>54999370
Can anyone who read this, confirm?
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>>54999461
Just relax bro. Its toy soldiers. Quit your sperging
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>can't buy the plastic chaplain anymore
what the fuck man
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>>54999382
I'd give the Pathfinders in this a PAC so that it can split off and support the Strike Team gunline.
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>>54998898
Appreciate the response, I do like Thousand Sons quite aesthetically but as you say they seem pretty intricate.

Tzeentch Daemons seems more appealing though, I didn't realize you could make an army of strictly daemons. After I get the "start collecting" box do you suggest anything else?I assume painting Kairos and LoC are in the same boat as Magnus where it'd be good to have a good deal of practice before hand.
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>>54999495
Pulse Accel Drone right?
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Hey fuckfaces
please give me your spicy opinions on what I should add to this list to bring it to 1k points

Blood Ravens battalion detachment

>Captain
plasma pistol and lightning claw
>Librarian
force sword and bolt pistol
>Chaplain
crozius and storm bolter
>Dreadnought
assault cannon and missile launcher
>tac squad
10 marines with plasma cannon/grav gun, sarge with bolt pistol/chainsword
>tac squad
10 marines with plasma cannon/plasma gun, sarge with plasma pistol/chainsword
>scouts
5 scouts with snipers and camo cloaks

Total: 811 pts

So i wanna find something that is 189 pts or less to add to this list
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>>54998922
Marines refuse to accept that the Emperor is a god, thus they lack the faith required to fend off the dark gods.
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>>54999206
>Declare war on random stellaris empire
>Orks had defensive pact with them i wasn't watching, wut
>being over run by green skins

I have failed the Emperor.
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>>54999519
Yeah. They're god's gift to gunlines. Makes the Fireblade more effective too.
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>>54999483
You're the one who should relax and stop complaining about other people posting and telling people what to do, faggot.

This dumbass is so fucking mad he can't even not post.
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>>54999497
Yeah, start small before trying to paint a Lord of Change. Pink Horrors are a great starting model to practice painting on. You'll get a good variety of daemons to start a small army with in the box set at a cheaper price than buying them all individually. After that, you'll want to add more pink horrors and perhaps some Blue/Brimstone horrors as well. The Changeling is also an excellent HQ choice that is great on the table and also has a very cool model.
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>>54999571
He stopped posting real quick when someone posted a source that proves him wrong.
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>>54999528
>Blood Ravens
>No Gabe
Get your fucking shit together, anon.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-ES/Gabriel-Angelos-2017
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>>54999571
Kek im not even the eldar fag. Just commented on your sperging out m8
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>>54999576
Not as cool as his old model...
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>>54999590
looks more like an ork... thing
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>>54999113

There is enormous, demonstrable proof that Eldar worshipped chaos, IF NOT IN NAME, than certainly in action, before.

You're like the faggot who says "NUH UH, DARK ANGELS HATE CHAOS WORSE THAN ANYONE! IT HASN'T BEEN HINTED THAT THEY ARE SECRET CHAOS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THEIR FLUFF, NUH-UH!"
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>>54999528
>only one sorcerer
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>>54999566
Yeah, but who wants to gunlines when you can deepstrike and shoot 'em up nice and personal
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>>54999590
is there an ez way to fix his polnareff head yet?
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>>54999590
>185pts

shit dude
it fits perfectly
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>>54999609
> a cold pride

who the fuck writes this horse shit?
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>>54999617
Yup, no excuse. Place that order.
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>>54999609
>>54999622

Why is this an issue? Lucius is a ridiculous character. 40k is a ridiculous game. The Necrons fighting the powers of chaos and fleeing to metal bodies to escape them is cool. It NOT FULLY WORKING is cool.

Get over yourself and suck my dick,
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>>54999646
It's not the ridiculousness, it's the awful writing
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>>54998301
The Mantic ones are going to be vastly more cost effective.
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>>54999646
How does a mindless killing machine feel pride though?

Imagine a rock fell and killed lucius, and he took over the rock, because the rock felt a stoic pride. Wouldn't you feel this was odd?
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>>54999656
I don't think NuCrons are mindless though
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>>54999656
Honestly, sentient rocks aren't entirely out of the imagination.
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>>54999656
Nucrons can have feelings.
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>>54999646
>its ridiculous so that makes it cool

"It just works lol" is lazy writing and undeserving of the god of perfection
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>>54999660
>>54999669
I thought that was only the lords.
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>>54999576
So with the "Start Collecting" and another box of Pinks or Blues/Brimstones how far off is it from being a fieldable army at an extremely casual level? Is it already 1000pts or will I need to grab a few more boxes afterwards? Should I just fill up on Pinks and Blues?

Seems like it would be quicker to ask you if you knew off the top of your head.
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>>54999634
fuck that I'm gonna convert my own gabe
forge world can suck my dick

>t. red scorpions player with plenty of forge world characters
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>>54999672
lords are fully sapient and conscious. As you go down the hierarchy the emotion and free gets less and less, but they still feel. Lych guard, for example, do feel pride and loyalty. They can't NOT feel loyal to their given lord, but still, its there.
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>>54999689
And a ninja necron assassin is probably up there in the necron power scale, so is likely to feel at least some emotions
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>>54999689

This guy gets it. It's a gradient. A deathmark that feels pride is actually a cool bit of necron fluff, not a lame bit of chaos fluff.

NOW SUCK THIS DIIIIIIIIICKKKK!!!!
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>>54999591
I'm not either, you're so fucking mad you missed the whole sentence saying I wasn't involved with your spastic autismfest. Sit the fuck down, clown.
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>>54999673
So with the start collecting box you'll have a Burning Chariot, a Herald, 10 pinks, 3 flamers, and 3 Screamers. I don't know how the exact point values will work out off the top of my head, but for a casual 1000 point army I'd round that out with a second troop slot of Pink Horrors, the Changeling to help improve your demon's survivability, and maybe a box of blue/brimstone horrors to either add to the pink horror squads or to make use of their split rule. An Exalted Flamer would also not be a bad choice for a little extra ranged fire power.

Download Battlescribe and make some test lists to see what you can come up with. It's best to start with models you like and work around those. The neat thing with Chaos is that we can bank unusued points as "reinforcement points" and draw from those to attempt to summon additional daemons onto the field. Look into how summoning works if you're interested in playing a daemon army.
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>>54999604
The best Tau armies do both. Make them play cautious by having an overwhelming gunline slowly encroaching, meanwhile fucking up their backline with deepstriking units.

Plus crisis suits are kinda subpar at the moment.
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>>54999741
>assuming im mad
>referring to people as spastics, while displaying power levels on a scale never seen before.
>getting this cross over nothing.
just relax bro. like i said, its toy soldiers
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>>54999607
>>54999681

>tfw some dude from Russia just copy Gabe exactly like in the vidya and it look a million time better than harambe Gabe from FW.
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Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
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>>54999792
Top kek
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>>54999792
no
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>>54999792
CHAOS ELDAR DID NOTHING WRONG. and totally exist you guys
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Has anyone actually bought and painted any of these? I have only seen like 2 instances of any of this painted, and each time it was pretty shoddy.
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>>54999807
They came out like a week ago, give it time.
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>>54999807
They look pretty rubbish to begin with desu
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>>54999815
They came out in like February, dude.
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>>54999815
>>54999807

>came out like a week ago

Came out age ago. in full chink cast box.
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>>54999759
Thanks so much for all the help you've given me tonight despite the shitter-level questions. Just downloaded Battlescribe and I'll be looking into the start collecting box asap. Again, super appreciate it.
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>>54999792
Nothing much my dude, just chillin' like a villain..
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>>54999807
pretty expensive for what it is im bro, so im not surprised that i haven't seen any around
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>>54999828
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>>54999834
We all start somewhere, m8.
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>>54999761
>Plus crisis suits are kinda subpar at the moment.
tragic and hopefully fleeting
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>>54999847
In case you didn't understand why I quoted you : people don't want to pay lots of money to have GW give them chink cast kit in zip bag. The fuck is this zip bag shit? FFG?
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>>54999850
Different anon, but I have a bunch of tzeentch daemons that I haven't really used since forever. Are they actually good right now? I'll be honest in saying that they look like shit aside from brimstone memes, and as much as I love the gribbly ones, I haven't had the will to break them out because of it. They legit don't even look like they DO anything, which is saying something because they haven't actually done anything besides be a power battery since 5th edition.
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Since all those extra arms don't help with fixing things anymore and the power-axe he'll ideally never need can be swapped to a free chainsword, any advice on where to get or how to model a servo-arm for a plain Techmarine?
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>>54999827
>>54999828
Wait then why the fuck was Warhammer Community shilling them like last week?
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>>54999864
>tau being bad
>tragic
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>>54999876
Because now... They're SEPARATE! Oooohh buy more aquari- err Deathworld forest terrain!
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>>54999876
because its a retardedly priced kit that isn't selling
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>>54998662
Of course it is! Two filthy xeno scum licking perfectly fine and blessed by techpriests multi-melta. I heard every gun fires itself once a year. Hope it will happen and blows their heads off.
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>>54999876
They was sold together as one box, now they're sold separatedly.
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>>54999609
What if he's killed by a flayed one and it's chilling in the pocket dimension and turns into Lucius.

Is he just stuck there forever?
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>>54999874
Normal tech priests models the IG use have good arms.
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>>54998754
I'd love to see cold-one riders in 40k.
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>>54999880
*Deepstrikes and charges you*
you'll roll 6's on your morale test, just pack up kid
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>>54999889
then slaanesh will warp him somewhere more sexy
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>>54999157
Why the hell imperials would censor informations about Eldars worhipping chaos gods? I mean, that only proves how treachery and evil xenos are, right?
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I vaguely remember way back in the day that some chapters can take Dreadnoughts as hqs but all I can find now are the BA Librarian dreadnoughts

Am I losing my lunch?
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>>54999936
They censor all information about chaos.
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>>54999874
Iron Warrior lord has the single claw on his backpack
Not sure how easy it would be to swap it onto a basic marine though
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>>54999936

The very existence of the chaos gods is censored in the Imperium, anon. They are considered far too scary to reveal to the masses. Any guardsman who encounters daemons is killed. Any astartes is mind-wiped.
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>>54999868
They've taken a pretty large hit since last edition, brimstone spam just receive a huge kick to the balls, and daemons are definitely suffering from their lack of codex (like every single non-SM/CSM army), but I expect things will improve once our codex comes out. Mono-God lists in general aren't particularly optimal currently, not just Tzeentch. That being said, when I talk with new players I tend to avoid shitting on their souls just because the army they've picked isn't the strongest in the meta. Balance changes and people should just play what they like and not worry what the WAACfags are doing..

I'm currently working on my Thousand Sons army so my Khorne and Tzeentch daemons have taken a back seat for the time being. I'll probably go back to them once the codex is out.
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>>54999950
Chaplain Dreadnoughts, Bjorn, Murderfang...
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>>54999880
I get that everyone's still salty about Riptide Wings but wanting any faction to be shit is kind of bad for the health of the game.

The ideal is everyone being balanced and competitive, not some videogame patch style buff/nerf routine where everything alternates between being stupidly OP and useless.
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Just spectated a game of Tau vs Guard yesterday.

I swear to god that Guard player was a fa/tg/uy if I ever saw one.

>Easily 140kg
>Constantly talks about his special snowflake regiment
>wears a military jacket with homesewn commander stripes on it
>Keeps trying to bend the rules in the most retarded ways
>Best one that made me laugh out loud, was him saying that some special rule for one of the Tau characters only worked if he was alive, which he clearly wasn't, and then he pulled out Monk'Ka to prove it, and started aloud the passage of the character getting killed.

This shit is hilarious mate. I am sorry you got banned, I would have loved to keep you around, just to have someone to laugh at. Do tell me if you find another store to play at.
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>>54999974
For anyone who's playing the Pink/Blue/Brims as intended (like me) they buffed it. The Pink Horrors cost 2 points less now while the Brimstones only cost 1 point more. Sure Smite only deals 1 wound now when they get below a certain number, but that just incentivizes the enemy to attack them when they're in a large unit. Even though it doesn't really incentivize YOU for taking them in a large or max size unit (over 500 points for the best tar pit unit in the world? Maybe for apocalypse...)
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>>55000032
Wait was he trying to imply Aun'va's abilities don't work because he's dead in the fluff? Seriously?
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>>55000032
>>Best one that made me laugh out loud, was him saying that some special rule for one of the Tau characters only worked if he was alive, which he clearly wasn't, and then he pulled out Monk'Ka to prove it, and started aloud the passage of the character getting killed.

lel
what a WAAC jackass
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>>55000010
I hope everyone else is balanced, but fuck tau. It's not even riptide wing because I've hated them long before Riptides when tau thought big mechs were a bad idea. Playing against tau is pure cancer. Even when I'm winning against them, the game is fucking miserable. Seeing tau being miserable for a change is wonderful.
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>>55000053
Yeah. Probably Aun'Va, he pronounced it funny, and I am not that well versed in Tau.
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>>55000032
Did he atleast paints his Guard ?
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>>54999964
I'm pretty sure its the procedure after encounter with Grey Hunters, not daemons. Also it's kinda hard to hide chaos, when you see a fucking Cicatrix Maledictum on your very sky, isn't it?
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>>55000085

yep, Aun'va is dead in the fluff but still a miniature with rules

>>55000074

>waaaaah
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Now this is hypothetically an extremely retarded question but I have to ask
Would it not be possible for loyalist SM to make their own version of the Deamonculaba but way less fucked up by artificially impregnating women the the jizz of Chads? I mean Recruitment on death/hive worlds would be preferred but it could work
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>>54998073
Run them as Astartes.
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>>55000101

I don't deny it, man. I just fucking hate tau, and I'm enjoying them being shitty even though they're not actually shitty.
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>>55000074
Why exactly?

Playing White Scars has always been super fun against Tau. Either I catch him properly, and wipe him, or I get assblasted off the table before I get the chance. That's exactly the explosive kind of matches I love to have.

I miss the old DEldar so much.

Fuck the "hurr unkillable slugfest" 7th was. Everything felt like it had some cheesy rerollable "fuck you" save.
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>>55000074
What makes them miserable, exactly? The gunlines? The deep striking?
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>>55000103
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>>55000103

Loyalists aren't as short on recruits hence the lack of desperate measures.
CSM don't exactly have fortress worlds and recruiting star systems
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>>55000092
Grey Knights, of course.
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>>55000087
Nop, grey mass.

He has 1 painted guy, which he placed on a small pedestal and told us to imagine those colours on the rest of his army.
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>>54999083
>Boutique rules.
This is exactly why we were mad they were removing USRs instead of shortening the list to a reasonable length.
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>>55000143
Typical WAACfag.
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>>55000133
Well in my opinion using what are in a way test tube babies for SM creation is slightly less fucked up then using actual children
Also it would be way less of a fucking hassle to just go down to the basement/nursery of a Fortress Monastery and grab a couple babies than potentially getting butt raped in the warp while going to the nearest war torn shithole
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>>55000166
I also didn't touch upon the whole idea being a heretical abomination that'd make the emperor spin on his throne
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>>55000103
I assume the procedure doesnt override the genes in your sperm therefore they are not astartes grade sperm and since geneseed is designed to work on males I dont think its going to impregnate anything.

Closest thing to that was the crimson fist breeding programs where they had failed recruits to breed children that had higher geneseed compatibility.
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>>55000177
How is using consenting adult women to give birth to babies whose father is some badass Stormtrooper (sorry "Tempestus Scion") while they sit around for nine months in a fortress heretical?
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>>54999289
>If something only existed in the 80's and hasn't been touched upon since, it's no longer canon.
[citation needed]
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Anyone have any tutorials for making buildings/terrain?
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>>55000166
Why would it be any less fucked up? They still have to weed those babies out to find the strongest candidates.
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>>55000143
>1 painted guy, which he placed on a small pedestal and told us to imagine those colours on the rest of his army.

Damn dude, those people exist? I thought that was a thing of legends

I think i would have him cussed out at this point if i had to play against your taufriend right there
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>>55000250
>"hey man should we use this child we found in some shithole ghetto murdering other children who has parents and relatives that will miss him or should we use this child that I grew in a test tube with no connections what so ever and can be raised exactly how we want him to be for the creation of a space marine?"
It Is slightly ever so slightly less fucked up
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>>55000255
Guardfag got kicked out of the store after the game was done (Tau won anyway), and was told to stay away.

Almost sad, he was fun as hell to watch. He tried so hard, I cant imagine he wasn't actively trolling.
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new thred wen
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>>55000293
probably ODed on memes
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>>55000032
lmao
I'm sure there was someone like that on one of these threads before, saying characters should be discontinued if the story progresses, since they would die of old age
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>>55000293

>Guardfag got kicked out of the store after the game was done (Tau won anyway), and was told to stay away.

I really wish this was true. It would make my day.

What a weird time line, where guard players are the faggots, and we are cheering on Tau... Never thought I'd see the day.
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>>55000357
It ends up being a case of literally being able to see the WAAC migration
One faction to another
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Why is initiative not a thing anymore? Isn't it a bit nonsensical that units and characters take turns to attack each other?
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>>54997822
those are Panzer IVs right?
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>>55000386
why?
can't handle my guardsmen hitting your pansy elves first?
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>>55000386
Because they are just making the game into AoS in SPAAAAAAAAAAACE
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>>55000386
Isn't it nonsensical that units and characters take turns to shoot each other
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>>55000377
This.

People think Tau are bad, when in reality, most Taufaggots transitioned to Taudar with 7th, and full Eldar when cheese hit the fan.

I find it highly likely that these players have picked up another faction by now. I would not be surprised if this faggot (assuming the story is true) used to be a Tau player.

The faction is just not good enough to make the WAAC faggot stay.
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>>55000386
Isn't it a bit nonsensical that initiative is literally just another way to determine who takes their turn to attack eachother first?
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>>55000414
This is why mid-high tier is the best rank to occupy. Good enough to have multiple builds and many useful units. But clearly not top dog, drawing away WAACers as well as ensuring people will actually play you
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>>55000397
>waacfag already trying to rub his cheese in a completely unrelated discussion
Guardfags are pure cancer.
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A Guard player I faced the other day with my DEldar list (2 Raiders full of Warriors, a Raider full of Trueborn because I don't have a Venom yet, an Archon, and a Voidraven) bitched about my list being WAAC.
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>>55000427
>Isn't it a bit nonsensical that initiative is literally just another way to determine who takes their turn to attack eachother first?
Wat
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>>55000439

>everyone hates guard now
lel, being top tier is suffering
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>>55000450
Did he field conscripts?
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>>55000438
Unless you are Guard.

They can be solidly mid-tier and still attract a bunch of super obnoxious HFY faggots.
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>>55000410
No, it's a gameplay abstraction and also way more fun than firing one unit at a time
Having a guy with a powerfist attack faster than a daemonette, simply because he was running and the daemonette wasn't makes no sense, and isn't even a good way of doing it
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>>54997572
>>54998310
>>54998330
>>54998437
Where is all this heretical smut posted so I can report it to the Arbites? /aco/?
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>>55000462
A Baneblade and a shitton of conscripts.
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Which warlord trait best fits the Black Templars? Their 'official' one feels quite boring to be honest.
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>>55000485
Like pottery. I guess guard are the new Taudar, absolute fucking cancer.
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>>55000456
I have always hated Guard.

The "I'm a 10 general famalam" braindead, uniform wearing fatguy, always picks Guard, and keeps talking about how "HOMANS ARE BESTEST EVAR!!1!!1!!". It is pure cancer, and has been around since fucking 4th edition.

The amount of cringe these guys posssses makes fedora tippers seem normal in comparison.
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>>55000508
Anyone has that pick of some obese beta cosplayer in a shitty guardsman costume making a retarded pose? It pretty much describes most of their fanbase.
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>>55000534
Being the FotM just makes them even more obnoxious.
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>>55000477
What you think of a power fist is only due to rules introduced in 3rd-7th edition, to handicap a weapon that was probably seen as too powerful for how common it was in 2nd ed. (or simply to give you a reason to still take power swords and such). Making it attack last was purely an abstraction, and now instead of that abstraction, they get a -1 to hit. You're complaining because you're used to it one way, not because the rule was inherently better or more realistic.
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>>55000573
Making it attack last makes sense.
You essentially have a huge chunk of metal on your arm
Swinging it around faster than a daemon, or an elf with a sword makes no sense.
Has anyone ever complained about the Initiative system being bad in any way before?
It's way more clunky now, with all the special rules that let you interrupt the timing of everything.
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>>55000614
The fact that's its slower is represented by the hit penalty: Its harder to land a blow with
And swinging faster doesn't necessarily mean you swing first
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How much money do I stand to make commissioning painting? Would I be allowed to plug myself on /tg/?
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>>55000614
>Has anyone ever complained about the Initiative system being bad in any way before?
Yeah, almost certainly. GW just didn't care to change most of the system from 3rd through 7th edition, it was all more or less a refinement of the same core game. People just had to deal with it, because that's what 40K was.

Again, noting about what you say means it "make sense". Why would a Space Marine have a shitty "chunk of metal" that makes him attack slower than your average Ork? Let's face it, you play something that had high initiative, and now you have to deal with people charging you and killing your guys when before they could get good positioning, make the charge on you, be outfitted for melee... and you'd just wipe them out because a stat said that you go first no matter what. That's arbitrary as fuck. Now people who get the charge get a more pronounced advantage (a proper reward for good tactics and luck), and the active player gets a slight advantage in determining combat order for squads locked in melee. You're seriously also complaining that special rules make it "way more clunky" when now it's a simple "one squad attacks, then the next", instead of going through various initiative orders for any mixed combat along with any special rules (like power first attacking last) that modify the basic order.

Considering 3rd ed made me just quit the game for a while, I don't see why you'd be obsessed with how the game used to be, since it wasn't better than it is now.
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>>55000689
Depends how good you are, and no way.

If you mentioned you did commissions and an anon asked specifically though, that would be different. But outright shilling... I don't see that flying very well.
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>>54997822
what rules do you use for those Stugs, Thunderer seig tanks?
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>>55000678
that and heavier weapons make it harder to not telegraph your attacks.
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>>54997638

I get that some people have poor taste - and that's their business - but I wish dumb things like military aprons and earrings were separate bits for the rest of us and not cast-in. They shouldn't all look identical on the TT.

JMO
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Am I really the only one who would prefer not having a strike order at all?

Let everything in CC attack, and only remove models after everybody has made their attacks. In is a melee, pistol shots and punches are thrown all over the place, let the rules represent that. I think it is arbitrary as hell that we even have a strike order at all.
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A friend of mine has offered to assemble and paint models that I can't get round to doing. He says he's happy doing it for nothing but I'd be much more comfortable paying for the time.

Does anyone know what a good price is for modelling/painting per model?
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>>55000775
Then you'd never want to charge your CC-masters into other similar units. As it stands, the advantage of charging allows you to use a bit of strategy to get the upper hand in such matchups.
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>>55000712
>Why would a Space Marine have a shitty "chunk of metal" that makes him attack slower than your average Ork?
Because it makes him way stronger?
That's the trade off for the slower attack. If you survive the combat, you get to attack back with a ton of killing power.
Now it's stupidly cheap, and -1 to hit is barely a downside at all, considering all your captains and commanders get rerolls anyway.

And good tactics my ass
You can deep strike in a unit of terminators pretty much anywhere you like, and you have a 56% chance of making the charge with them.

>have to deal with people charging you and killing your guys when before they could get good positioning, make the charge on you, be outfitted for melee... and you'd just wipe them out because a stat said that you go first no matter what. That's arbitrary as fuck.
No it's not
Pretty much every unit with high initiative like slaanesh daemons and eldar have low toughness and strength, and are glass cannons with poor armour saves.
Don't pick an army based around high toughness and armour saves, and then complain that you aren't hitting first in combat.
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>>55000775
But that could be said about every phase. Everyone is moving and shooting at the same time as well, so why have any turn order at all? It exists not just because it's easier to take a turn, remove casualties, and take the next turn. Rewarding the player that charged is smart, it means that even a sub optimal squad might stand a chance of mitigating damage by getting their hits in before a stronger melee squad. I remember only a few weeks back some anons arguing over daemonettes and genestealers, until someone mathhammered it out. In the end, it came down to who got the charge, the charger nearly wiping out the charged unit, and then suffering only minor wounds in retaliation. That adds a lot of importance to movement and positioning, which I think most people would agree is for the best.

Now a smaller scale game where everything, in every phase, is happening at once could be pretty interesting. But I don't think it would work well for 40K.
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>>54998301
>booster seat bases
>beardless children
>eggman exo armour
>again with the space aprons

Hard pass.
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>>55000782
10-12 US $ per model is pretty standard for ubassembled to table top standard goes up deoending on models/quality
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how does the usurpers of decadence sound for a slaaneshi warband? trying to figure out a name for my dudes.
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>>55000866
Depends massively on model I'd imagine
Definitely won't accept the same rate across scarabs, crisis, and guilliman
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>>55000828
>You can deep strike in a unit of terminators pretty much anywhere you like, and you have a 56% chance of making the charge with them.
Yeah, and a 44% chance of failing, followed by the enemy walking up to you, shooting, and then charging with a much higher chance of getting at you. You take a risk, one you decided upon.

You're ignoring the fact that the Strength vs. Toughness chart is entirely different, meaning a few extra points of toughness don't always change the chances of survival as much as they did in earlier editions. You also say a -1 to hit isn't a big deal, when we're only rolling d6s.

But it doesn't matter. Everyone had to deal with initiative for decades, and now we don't. We got movement stats instead, because movement directly relates to your ability to position yourself and get the charge. Armies that used to have high initiative now have a bit more movement, meaning they still have an advantage on getting the charge. You're not looking at the system as a whole, you just miss something because you're used to it.
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>>55000902
That's for normal infantry yup.
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>>54999490
what do you mean, theres still 10 different ones on the GW website.
which ones missing?
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How is full Armoured company in 8e, as in nothing but russes and tabk commanders.
Crap? dick move in casual?
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>>55001004
>dick move
Yes.
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How's Commander Clearsky for a Tau Commander name? Ala Brightsword, Darkstrider, Farsight etc
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>>55001304
Seems fine. A fresh breath from what I usually hear.
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>>55001374
Yeah...
>Commander HateWing
>Commander DeathSpike
>Commander HeartEater
>Commander DarkFate
To be fair, he is running a "Dark Tau Coalition" theme, based around a Farsight'ish conclave, who thinks being edgy gives them power, courtesy of EdgeMarines being their primary foes.

Still cringey as fuck to hear him call out their names.
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>>54999461
Holy shit, a third degree sperg. Get this man to a hospital.
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>>54997765
Strategic hand placement.
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>>55000712
>Considering 3rd ed made me just quit the game for a while, I don't see why you'd be obsessed with how the game used to be
Because you left just before what's many remember as the golden age of the game?
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>>54997648
Overpriced. 3*5 wraithguard, 3*wave serpent, 1*spiritseer, 1*wraithlord and 1*wraithknight is 101 power and just over 2k points whereas in 7th it was about 1250 points.
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>>55001733
More like properly priced. Wraithknights and Wraithguard were way undercosted in 7th.
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>>55001656
>Golden Age
>3 and 3.5
Ebin troll, nice b8 m8.
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>>55001808
Probably just a salty chaos fag.
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>>55001733
With what you listed, you are basically saying they are still undercosted.

In 7th they were easily worth more than twice their points.
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>>54999028
I've also read that all Eldar that lived within the eye of terror now exists, debased fuckaddicts or not, were all instantly obliterated during Slaanesh's birth.
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>>55001808
3.5 and early 4. When doctrines gave guard more variety than marines have now, when Orks had clan rules, when kroot mercs and enslavers had rules, and yes, when's the Chaos book had a page of war gear options and possessed had more options than the entire chaos book has now.

>>55001812
Orks and Feral Guard were my main lists. I had a small chaos list built around zerkers and possessed, but it was never my main army. I had more points in abhumans.
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>>55001808
Everyone had interesting and fun rules, bloody IG regiments rules done in a single fucking page added a lot of variation.
Yes we had more broken options than others but the same thing happens with flavor of the month broken space marine rule.
Orks had proper looted vehicles, even bloody marines had fun rules, etc Etc.
Everyone had rules that made their army, the essence of what they are.
Incompetence over the year has left the armies a skeleton of what they were back then.

Check it yourself and read the old rules, for how short and simple they are, they didn't need pages after pages of the same thing to do the same thing.
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>>55000746
DAKKA phone posting.
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>>55001304
Cumdumpster
Ladyboy
Buttplug
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>>54998190
Get a changeling
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>>54998577
Why don't GW understand the difference between an errata and and FAQ, unless people frequently asked: 'Did you forget to give him a 4+ invuln save?'
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>>55003254
The document is actually labelled "Rules Update" and contains both FAQ and Errata, with both terms used for their specific sections. You sperg.
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