MTG modern general

Death's shadow for a ban. I don't think it's that oppressive but Wizards are pretty reactionary sometimes and this could become the new Splinter Twin.

>memedern

Design a card that would be useless in standard/edh but tier 0 busted af abuse before it gets banned in modern

2B

your life total equals the number of cards in your hand

>>54989534
at least they did it tastefully with teferi, he was the main character of time spiral.

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>>54989425
:^)

>>54989534
>Hating on Teferi
Go be a nignog somewhere else.

I want to put Grim Lavamancer and Pack Rat in a deck together. Is that just kind of not good enough currently?

>>54990154
That would be aweful.

>>54988960
here are the other links

>RESOURCES:
>Current Modern Metagame
>http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern

>DATABASES:
>magiccards.info
>gatherer.wizards.com

>>54990154
you could play BR rat moon but I don't think that deck plays Lavamancer

>>54990263
It'd be a grindy midrange deck maining ghost quarters and k commands to ruin trons day too

>>54991062
just play jund?

>>54991114
I already have abzan

Played some Knightfall against Abzan earlier. My god Tireless Tracker is one hell of a fucking card holy dickballs. New Nissa is also fucking amazing in the deck. Sucks fucking dick when you manage to hit Coralhelm twice in a row though, after scrying a Company to the bottom.

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show ur deck pix

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>>54988960
>playing
GB Tron. I love getting to slam fatties and it's very solid in my local meta. I absolutely love Newrakul as a one-of and I feel anyone on this deck should consider trying her out.
>hating
All the people crying about bans. I actually feel like the format is in a relatively healthy state right now. Hell, even UW Control is doing well for once.
>brewing
Nothing really, just working on my sideboard. I'm considering taking a page out of Hooglands book and trying Devour Flesh, seems like some straight spice.

>>54992476
UWx is only doing well because the best deck in the format kills itself for you, letting you just mop up what's left.

>>54991856
>Tireless Tracker
The power and synergy is real. I can't believe how long it took me to her into the deck. Considering making her a 4-of.
>New Nissa
I'll have to try that out. I already pulled one from drafting Amonkhet, and have been toying with Elspeth KE and Tamiyo FR, but didn't really love them.
>Sucks fucking dick when you manage to hit Coralhelm twice in a row though
How many Coralhelms do you run? 2 seems like the magic number for me. I'll usually assemble the combo at least a couple times a night, and rarely ever see the second copy clog up my hand.

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rate my shitbrew

strangleroot geists will be goyfs

I also think I need more lands if I want to use tracker

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>>54988960
I want Wizards to print more answers to discard. I don't want to buy fucking Leylines.

>>54989973

>>54992851
>answers to discard

I'm sorry that someone thoughtseized your degenerate combo deck anon

>>54992829
>Goyfs
With no way to get them higher than 3/4s on your own? Goyf is so good in jund because you turn 1 fetchland into shockland into a thoughtseize, putting a non-sorcery, non-land card into the opponent's graveyard, making it enter as a 3/4 on turn 2 (just to get bigger once you start throwing bolt/push and Lili). It's not just an auto-include in every green deck.
>I also think I need more lands if I want to use tracker
Tracker shines when you have 8+ fetchlands in the deck. But yes, 20 is pretty low for a CoCo deck. Aim for 23.

Why 8moon? It's a good sideboard card, but you're just dead to any mono colored deck, and you're not even doing anything cute to capitalize on it, like mountainwalk.

>>54992741
Wraths, Paths and Elspeth.dec is also pretty gas vs company piles.

>>54992851
Heres you
>"Yes I finally get to do it, all the pieces of the puzzle are in my hand turn 1, this fuckboy is going down and I get to masturbate right in front of his face!"
>They Thoughtseize
>"No, my carefully laid out keikaku has been foiled! Now ill have to play Magic and not jerk off on the table!"

White and blue have historically been the control colors, and that is still very much the case today. The quality of the removal that you pair with blue has always been an important element in building a control deck. But when the removal becomes more important than the permission, and planeswalkers offer better card advantage than the mediocre card draw we have in Standard, maybe blue isn’t necessary?

Anyones takes on this? Is blue becoming irrelevant in all Non-Legacy formats?

>>54993176
Btw this is from EFros new CFB article

>>54993176
Blue is very relevant in Modern.

>>54993176
They should reprint Daze desu.

>>54993176
As long as combo exists, control decks will need to run Blue for permission or have some kind of prison gameplan that can stop combo (like Solitary Confinement in Astral Slide, or the E Tutor toolbox in Legacy Parfait).

>>54993176
The biggest point here is Planeswalkers generate more cards then Blue draw spells do anymore, its not even the counters that are that bad anymore its the fact that both Control and Aggressive strategies will run out of cards around the same time, mostly in Standard here, and while aggro topdecks Hasty Earthshaker Khenras and Burn spells, Control topdecks Draws Divinations and Counters.

>>54989425
U - Scrapped Inspiration
Instant
Draw a card
If you discarded a card this turn, instead draw two cards

WHEN
IS
BANNED
AND
RESTRICTED
ANNOUNCEMENT

You know what card need to be banned? Mutavault.

What a toxic card.
>xd 2/2 out of nowhere xd all creature types here's a bonus xd
Fuck this shit.

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>>54992115

>>54994234
Ive heard it all now

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>>54994234
What, did you just lose your first game against Merfolk? KYS.

>>54991856
Simic Nissa?

>>54993450
>then

>>54994388
Slivers. Fuck this shit.

>>54994375
Fuck you.

>>54994802
Ahahaha that's even worse you complete and utter shitter. Seriously go play commander or force of will.

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>>54994802

>>54994234
Before I make fun of you, I need to know what deck you're playing

>>54995134
G/W Hexproof.

>>54994234
>>54994234
Just Fatal Push or Path that shit.

>>54995194
Slivers has almost no interaction. Bogles relies on trolling interactive decks by becoming immune to targeted removal. I can see that it comes down to matchup.

>>54995251
i know pathing a manland isnt inherently bad but it will never feel good

>>54995194
how did you not win that matchup by just racing them with lifelink on the board?

>>54995194
Well while I do want to make fun of you, I won't since you're at least playing a real deck. I also don't get how you couldn't race with your pumps and lifelink, but a bad game is a bad game. Better luck next time, but honestly mutavault isn't as bad as you think.

Why do people say Affinity requires the most math to pilot? Just Ravager?

>>54989425
Power node 0
legendary
If you control 3 more more artifacts you may tap power node for one mana of any color.

>>54997546
i guess math in the sense that you need to know when to sac and when not to sac to make sure you end the game as soon as possible

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B L A C K E D
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T R O N
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with Based Bobby B

>>54997611
thats exactly mox opal

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>>54997611

Im going to do mono-blue faeries because I miss sexy tempo.

I havent seen any list run cryptics, any one know why? I think it might be because 4 cmc is just too much.

Also 2 v.cliques? or 3?

>>54994234
>out of nowhere
It was there the whole time, it doesn't have fucking flash; you just can't plan ahead

>>54999195
no it isn't. you can't have two mox opals out but you can have one of those and a mox opal, so it's technically BETTER than mox opal.

Is anything realistically getting banned or unbanned Friday?

>>54999780
Isn't the announcement next Monday?

regardless I'm doubtful of any modern changes, but I'm hoping for any sort of unbanning

>>54999780
It's on Monday and nothing will happen to Modern

Banned
Chalice of the Void OR Eldrazi Temple
Unbanned
Bloodbraid Elf

Why couldn't they just reprint Cavern of Souls?

>>55000065
they did though. its like 35 bux r/n man go get them.

>>54999905
seconding although i'd like to see BBE, Jace, Mystic, Treasure Cruise and all the artifact lands unbanned just to see the shitstorm.

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WISH ME LUCK

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Boros humans real or just hot air?

>>55001740
Can someone translate some of that?

Is G/W company fun? Thinking about building it.

>>54997546

The are many times you can win by sacing stuff to ravager, mass attack with counters on stuff from overseer, plating a n inkmoth for lethal, saving ravager to buff uninitialized etc. It's not too hard really, just double check your lines if play because sometimes you can win unexpectedly by squeeking through the exact damage you need.

>>55002960
Is Hamgerback walker worth running? Between ravager and overseer it seems worth even as a 2 drop

>>54999873

The most realistic cards I would love to see unbanned is SFM and BBE but I think Wizards still sees them as too strong. BBE might be but SFM is not. I want to see squadron hawks with swords again.

>>55002991

I don't think so. It's a 1/1 for 2 when you play it that doesn't threaten on its own. Sure you can Sac to ravager or buff with overseer but on its own it might be too cute for 2 mana. Memnite and Thopter don't threaten the game on their own either but they cost 0 and get up affinity for explosive 2 mana T1 starts.

>>55003065
I was thinking a 2 of in the board for wrath heavy match ups. It felt real bad to lose to 5 color control because of a turn 4 damnation into a turn 5 damnation when he was on the play

>>55002991
>>55003065
I hear that Hangarback Walker can be good on the play, but not so much on the draw.

>>55003599
99% of cards are bad on the draw.

Ban Cryptic Command please. Wizards, please.

>>55002991
It's sideboard material if your meta is heavy on non-white monoremoval

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I've brewed a BU Eldrazi Ingest/process modern deck. It's pretty Solid except my only "top end" cards are two sire of stagnation. While Sire is pretty solid, he doesn't end games.

I'm thinking Ulamog's despoiler would round out the deck by giving me a way to finish off the opponent without being outside my consistent mana curve.

I can post my deck list if anyone would like me to. I'm looking for as much advice as possible.

>>55003841
I want to see it. Processors have interested me, and I want to see if I can salvage my BFZ draft junk.

>>55003013
Yes, because there needs to be more ways for Jund to safely land a stonewalled Lili

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>>55003960
This is what I could remember about my deck list off the top of my head. A few of the numbers are a little off (obviously 4 expedition maps would be better) but this should be pretty close.

A few things I remember wanting to change:
>I'd like to put cavern of souls in there so Ulamog's nullifier becomes counter spell in a stick that can't be countered
>there was a counter spell that was like (X)(U) opponent must pay X or spell is exiled. I remember it was from RTR.
>Depending on how it plays out, I might swap back to my earlier build which was more geared towards ramping into Ulamog.

A few other things. This should give you an idea. It's basically mid-range control.

>>55004217
With decks like that, aremt you afraid that people will just hate you out completely? Whenever I consider buying a brew I'm afraid I'll get one good week in and then everyone just fucks me post sideboard forever

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Give me some geosurge targets. Might be running mind stones so higher costs than 7 could work out

>>55004535
Ulamog
Stormvreath dragon
That dragon that deals 5 upon casting

>>55004577
Ulamog seems pretty spicy, especially because dropping it usually indicates the game is over

>>55004684
Bogardan Hellkite was the dragon I was looking for. Also Wurmcoil Engine sounds p.gud.

>>55004535
Probably >>55004577, but create a Combustible Gearhulk ramp deck for the sake of jank. Redhulk has great potential in Standard, but I'm not so sure about modern. Maybe have Chandra?

>>55004535
Actually, what about getting a filter land and Grave T in there as well?

>>55004217
If you want to play counter spells consider delay its hella cheeky

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Just got this.

What do? Open or store in the closet for 10 years?

>>55005660
open it. and post pictures of what you got.

>>54988960
how would i go about building a budget merfolk deck?

>>55005752
If I won't get at least a foil Bitterblossom I'll be disappointed.

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>>54988960
>playing
Lantern Control, KCI eggs, Coretapper combo. If it plays Glimmervoid, Mox Opal and wins on turn three I like it.

>hating
Tron. All variations.

>brewing
That Coretapper combo deck.


>the banhammer is coming down next Monday, and we will be waiting with bated breath to see what gets hit, so. With that in mind if you could garuntee a certain card to be banned what one will you pick and why?
Urza's tower. It should have never been in modern.

>also what old mechanic would you like to see brought back seeing how the edhbabs got phasing on one of their new cards
World enchantments.

>>55003648
> lol

>>55005819
It can work as long as you don't cut Aether Vials.
All you can save money is in the Caverns, Oboros. Minamos, and other prestige cards like V. Clique, etc.

>>55004217
Well, that's quite the all-in strategy. When I tried UB I was mostly using Mulldrifter for extra Undying targets.

Also how come no Thought-Knot/Smasher? Both seem to be a pretty good fit and you already got the mana base.

>>55006058
I haven't even realized Vials are hitting $50 a card now, holy shit.

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>>54988960
>playing
storm, been playing it for years now, pretty happy with where its at
>hating
Inquisition
>brewing
nothing right now
>Ban
idfk deathshadow or something from storm desu, we cant let storm be even kinda good

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I know it's a strictly worse Cavern, but does any deck want this? Sliver Company maybe?

>>55006757
It could have a place in slivers. Not really too sure how a manabase for a 5c slivers deck looks desu

>>55004441
Not particularly. Having counter spells innately gives me some protection from those types of things. There are few ways to actually mess with how this deck functions unlike dredge or delver decks.
>>55005117
That's hella spicy lol I love it!
>>55006090
Thought-knot would be great for this deck. However I'm kinda doing a flavor thing here too. Ulamog's brood is my favorite branch of Eldrazi (and favorite titan) so I made this deck to reflect it.

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>>55006882
>Thought-knot would be great for this deck.
>However I'm kinda doing a flavor thing here too.
Is this autism?

>>54988960
>playing
UW Spirits (budget)

>hating
Abzan, Knightfall, Tron (probably my fault for the first two)

>brewing
Jeskai Flyers (budget). I have a few relevant Kaladesh Fastlands. Was also thinking about adding Boros Charm for reach and protection in place of Vapor Snag.

>>55004535
Chandra Flamecallers hard to beat turn 3 or 4. Planeswalkers die to less removal too.

>>55005867
Lantern Control shouldnt be in Modern either and is way more likely to hit a ban with the Pro Tour coming back especially if it hits any Top 16 match and is on camera
Tron will NEVER be banned you crying babies, I hope you enjoy Karns hard silver dick up your ass because you'll be getting it every Friday :)

>>55006757
how many promos are there? can u post any more of them?

>>55007780

If Tron is so good then how come it can't Top 8 consistently?

>>55007967
Eldrazi Tron is pretty good. Also I never claimed Tron was good just thst it will never be banned. If anything the fact that it doesnt Top 8 just proves how bad everyone that bitches incessantly about Tron is.

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>>55008094
>Also I never claimed Tron was good
>>55007780
>I hope you enjoy Karns hard silver dick up your ass

hm

>>55008131
I'm not him but you will get it because you're bad, not because tron is strong.

This board is filled with underages.

>>55008186

I don't get it at all, I play combo decks. Unless Tron has Chalice they lose.

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Yo after testing this is legit sideboarding for death and taxes

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Spicy Deaths Shadow draw tech

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>>55009185
Good Deaths Shadow draw tech

>>54988960
Fetch lands...oh wait only a certain card gets banned. Path of exile is used in the most decks soo, I guess that.

I wouldn't mind Provoke coming back...or the old evergreen words of protection, land walk, and fear/intimidate.

>>55009185
that art is so cool

>>55009128
I've always really liked the idea of Death and Taxes, and before I invest I had a few questions

1.) What's the difference between monowhite, eldrazi and taxes, and Green/White taxes?

2.) What are the absolute must buy cote cards?

>>55006757
Good to see Wizards at least having a functional reprint in Ixalan.
Here's to more.

>wizards just copying the journey to ungoro expansion from hearthstone

lol

>>55004535
youre playing skred, aren't you?
why do this over a koth ramp plan?

>>55008094
At GP Birmingham the bottom tables were filled with Eldrazi Tron players.

>>55009977
So then why are Midrange cucks constantly bitching about it?

>>55010744
Because they weren't at GP Birmingham.

I was empty handed and ripped a Bonfire for 5 against an Eldrazi Tron player in a side event. He tilted into another plane of existence.

>>55009334
G/w is just hatebears, mono white is just a white weenie deck with Thalia, eldrazi and taxes is white weenie with hand disruption

Which decks harbor the most relaxed players? Im talking about the people who rarely ever get salty, bitch about mana screw or flood, and play Magic like a normal human and not some cracked out tweaker slamming cards all over the place.

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>>55011237

EDH and Legacy decks.

Modern is for 'spergs and autists.

>>55011281
edh is for autists who will start yelling at you for taking more than 15 seconds to think out your turn because it just has to be his turn so he can play his FATTY

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>>55011237
I dunno, I play Gx Tron and I don't get salty or tilted about anything - I know getting buttfucked by aggro is part of the nature of my deck. I am in true harmony with the Karnfather at all times.

>>55011237
Storm obviously, you can only get Fucked in the ass so much by wotc till you just don't care anymore

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>>55011590

I like getting fucked in the ass, is Modern a good format for me?

>>55006921
Yes, it is my personal brand of autism. I've come to accept and embrace it.

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>>55011605

>>55011605
Absolutely the more gay's the better

>>55011605
How do you feel about affectionate strangulation?

>>55011605
Qt cd's only

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>>55011657

I'm not gay.

>>55009128
I'm sorry but Mirran crusader is better in almost everything but the ETB that in any case doesn't worth the third colored mana

>looking through my green cards
>-1/-1 counter your minions for no reason

How am I supposed to make a deck out of this?

Is delver viable right now? Does it have to be grixis

>>55012221
you could use some of the amonkhet cards to transfer the counters to the enemy

>>55012377
No.
No.

>>55012695
There go my dreams of ever playing blue red again

I wanna play Bant Humans. Seen a few lists running Reflector Mage. Do I need to run the knightfall combo, or can I just beat down?

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I miss twin so much guys

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If you could go back in time and change the set Modern started (earlier or later than 8ED), would you? What set?

Look at this video and tell me the art in modern magic isn't liquid shit with a straight face, I dare you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSc1PG_QaMM

So damn beautiful.

>>55013039
Original Ravnica. 8th edition is full of so much bullshit.

>>55013117
Of course the art was better back then. everyone knows this

>>55013039
I would change it to begin with Invasion block, because that's when WotC actually began the modern design paradigm, which held until they changed it again after Time Spiral (NWO). The modern border cut off is arbitrary and stupid, because there's tons of product that has the borders but isn't Modern legal.

>>55013419
>conspiracy cards
>commander cards
>vault cards
>premiere cards
>modern frames
>all illegal

Man, this format can be shit sometimes.

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Would you nice people consider nacatl burn on the same level as boros/naya burn?

>>55013487
I too would like to play shardless bug in modern

>>55006834
Could? It's an instant 4 of.

Going to make the deck a bit cheaper cutting fetches too.

>>55014891
Do you really want 16 lands you can't cast CoCo off of? Or is this replacing Mutavault?

>>55014953
You typically already run 4 or 5 dorks (that make everything else a dork). Not reliable but also a source.

I don't know, one of the big problems with Coco Slivers and or Slivers overall is the clunky mana. This land smooths that out almost perfectly. It takes the whole deck from being clunky to one card being clunky, which is much easier to fix in theory.

Man I love Mutavault too much to cut it, but it might come down to perfect hands and beatdowns vs consistency.

>>54998950
I want to play this deck on stream sometime. What does your sideboard look like? I'm very interested in this deck.

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Looking for feedback on my Death & Taxes deck

I've been thinking about adding 1-2x Wall of Omens and/or 1-2x Dismember instead of the 2x Grasp of Darkness

Not sure what the hell is going on with my mana base to be honest. The budget deck I've upgraded from only had 4x Grasp and 4x Tidehollow. Not sure if the Tidehollow, Fatal Push, and/or Grasp are worth the inconsistency. In hindsight I should have realized that his list's mana base was dogshit.

Anyway, with all of that said, I've been getting deck/build compliments on MTGO and winning. Not sure what to swap for Wall of Omens because I do run into card advantage issues every now and then.

>>54994070
How would that not be insanely good in standard and pretty good in edh too?

>>54994070
this is fucking broken as fuck

>>55003841
Following up with results of day spent playtesting the deck:
>wasteland strangler is extremely hit or miss, probably gonna be changed to a 2 or 3 of
>there is no real reason to run cavern of souls unless chalice is common.
>Ulamog's despoiler is the tits.
>really wish I had a playset of Delay to see how spicy it is
>Ulamog's nullifier is a serious MVP.
>All is dust mainboard is pretty dank

Overall it feels pretty damned good. A few more tweaks and this deck will be a solid finish.

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>>55015468
If I didn't have work today I would have payed Hoogland or someone the donation fee to do a league with it (either BobTron or the more traditional BlackTron with Diabolic Rev for 15)

The pile is all yours friendo, as for sideboard I haven't whipped up a good one yet but probably something like:

2 Surgical Extraction
2 Ghost Quarter
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Devour Flesh
2 Duress
1 Lost Legacy
1 Battle at the Bridge
2 Disfigure (or various other removal)
2 Hangerback Walker (not sure on this one, but allegedly good vs shadow decks)

Maybe some more gravehate (black has many options, relic is also fantastic in this meta), a skite if you want it, pithing needle if you want it, some black sweeper like damnation or flaying tendrils.

>>55015639
Looks pretty good anon. If you're looking for Wall of Omens type effect, what are your thoughts on 1-2 Thraben Inspector instead? Both work well in a deck with Flickerwisp/Resto for value, with Thraben being more aggressive than defensive (especially with Honor of the Pure). For slots, maybe -1 Dryad -1 Eidolon +2 Thraben.

Also, mainboard Eidolon isn't a bad thing (same as something like Spirit of the Labrynth), but I often have it in the sideboard instead. To each their own, and while Eidolon can be a haymaker I would maybe try out a bigThalia in place of it (although they both do wildly different things, so follow what your gut tells you)

>>55016172
Nice! If you're liking Despoiler, have you ever played with Blight Herder? That fucker goes wide, and is really inexpensive to boot

>>54994283
the temple garden is solid

>>55012829
you can play gifts storm

>>55011237
i feel that skred players are typically chill

>>55011237
I play Jund and I feel like we Jund players are an okay bunch

I haven't met a jund player that's super obnoxious because the deck is pretty mid-range fair stuff and it's been around awhile

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Lilliano?

>>55016530
Nevermind you got 4 of em :o

Noob here, building some shitty blue white artifact ramp deck. I don't know if I should use mana leak, negate or metallic rebuke.

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>>55016279
>>55015468
in fact i think 2 relic mainboard might even be sweet, the opportunity cost is peanuts, and these days it's a live card every second matchup (and practically your best card every third matchup with all the vengememe running around)

probably gonna trim a collective and maybe tutor after testing with it more for some relic, regardless i think relics in the 75 are a must.

>>55004535
dragonstorm

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>>55006882
If you're going to play Delay, make sure you get the correct version.

Which next 400 - 500$ Deck should I make?
Gift Storm (budget Blue Fetches), Merfolk (without Caverns), Boros Burn (without Arid Mesas) , Eldrazi & Taxes?
I usually play Control so want something different.

>>55020719
Boros burn. Also mainboard a pair of deflecting palms.

>>55011281
Dude EDH is literally the format for socially unaware autists

>>55015639
Why not try cutting one Sculler of they're inconsistent? I'm passing you mostly want them turn 2-3 nowadays anyway

>>55019371
>in response I'm going to retard your spell
Laughinglizard.jpg

>>55021370
Wait, isn't EDH specifically for social people?

>>55016172
Should I try this deck? Is it budget?

>>55007704
>>55019206
Unfortunately, it's artifacts or creatures only.

>>55017512
Mana Leak, tapping your artifacts for rebuke isn't good for your deck.

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>>55009334
Eldrazi and taxes is not a tax deck it has clunky synergies and loses to itself a lot. G/W hatebears is the safest choice if you own your hierarchics and canopies already.
Mono-white is a white weenie deck that does the same thing from game to game. A mono white mana base allows you to have a lot of flex land spots.

Buy 4 canopies, don't play without them

>>55013419

Man Invasion seemed like it was fun. I sometimes like to look at the older sets I've never played and look at the absolutely amazing art. I see a TON of really fun and interesting cards that actually seem like they would be playable in some jank Modern deck, if only they were legal. Holy fuck what happened to Magic? The NWO must be abolished. Down with computer rendered art! Down with shit and uncomplicated commons/uncommons!

>>55023151

I'm going to say that EnT is the strongest Taxes deck when you get the good draws, but again like you say, it does lose to itself a lot. I feel like it needs to be streamlined more. Mana base isn't great, but not terrible, could use some work. I think having some of those "Tap for any color for creature spells, T, for colorless" lands that were just spoiled from Ixalan would be good.

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>>55023220
The problem is not the lack of lands that provide you your three colors (white,black, colorless) the issue is you're a three color deck that can't run fetches to get into your colors and this is something you can't avoid. But yeah you're totally right the eldrazi build could be the strongest when you get what you need but after I sleeve up eldrazi taxes for an event I usually end up back at mono-white soon afetr

why will they never print a modern playable tamiyo?

>>55022479
If you play Modern already you probably already have the more expensive cards to make the deck (namely the lands) everything else is dirt cheap.

I'd definitely call it budget.

Anyone got any spicy tech to help me vs "Go Wide" strategies as Devoted Combo? I run Chords and Eldritch Evolution instead of CoCo, so I can tutor for something up to 3 mana on T2/3 and 4 mana T3/4 depending on what I sac and how mana dorks I get out. I run Magus of the Moat in sideboard, but it doesn't stop things like Tokens and sometimes Affinity with their flyers. Izzet Staticcaster maybe?

>>55016788
as a skred player, nope

>>55025893
There's more than one Skred player here?

>>55024811

tamiyo is the only thing that helps me win against control decks with bant spirits

>>55025465

yep, staticaster against pretty much everything but affinity

against affinity, well, good luck if they got ravager on board, if not you should be ok

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I remember there was a short time where people were trying to jam EE with Eldrazi

are these kinds of decks still good in today's metagame?

>>55027091
...engineered explosives?

>>55027124
eldritch evolution

I'm an idiot and forgot that EE refers to explosives 99% of the time

>>55026865
How? I would like to know.
t. Spirits player

>>55027091
Eldritch Evolution is a meme in bantdrazi, don't bother with it. As for the decks viability, it's still playable but I feel there are better decks to be playing.

how important is the exalted on noble hierarch to bant spirits? can I get away with playing Birds instead?

>>55027523
Like, Birds is a functional replacement, but Hierarch will win you games through exalted. It's like a dork that can still attack while making mana, and sometimes gains evasion too.

>>54992996
>T1 Inquisition
>T2 Push, Thoughtseize

Yeah, fuck my "combo" deck

>>55027163
>not that guy
pure card advantage

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>>55028196
Tamiyo is so fucking good. I've been trying to build some kind of Tamiyo-centric deck for a while, because she really is powerful enough to just take over games. All I want is a good, aggressive simic 2-drop in modern.

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>>55028579
>All I want is a good, aggressive simic 2-drop in modern.
As a Knightfall player, I can assure you, we have one.

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>>55028579
>All I want is a good, aggressive simic 2-drop in modern.
He's not called the best blue creature for nothing.

>>55028695
th...three drop?

>>55028579
i used her in enchantress until i swapped her for >>55028695

>>55028830
Shit art. Shit goyf. Delver is a shit

>>55028830
What is delver Alex?
Best one drop creature too desu

>>55028942
Dorks, bro. Tick her up to 3 then vomit that +0 down your opponent's throat until you win. Also I REALLY recommend Tireless Tracker somewhere in your 75. He actually physically annihilates the assholes of midrange decks.

>>55029319
It's a shame her art sucks mad ass

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>>55028695
>that formatting

>>55029022
You spelled deathrite shaman

>>55029856
*wrong. Im tired.

>>55029473
Tracker or Nissa? Neither are bad.

>>55029995
Nissa, she looks kinda fat senpai

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>>55030305
>this
>fat
Jesus you must be into skeletons.

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>>54988960
>tfw winning with owling mine
This is so fun, I just wish its matchups were less polarized.

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>>55030398
Any other art she's in is so much better

>>55030584
I would like to see your list

>>55022070

>The Modern Virgin
>The Chad Dragon Highlander

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>>55030593
You can stop being wrong any time. Also that haircut is horrible and is not better art just because it shows some skin.

what was burn like before Eidolon and Swiftspear were printed?

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>>55030699

>>55030766
It's better cause she's got a nice hip to waist jackass, new Nissa hardly has a hips at all bud

>>55030872
Do you know how the storm match up is?

>>55030944
It's currently unwinnable, I need to figure out a good sideboarding plan for it, which probably involves cutting the blood moons from the side.

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>>55030928
Not to mention a horrible face, awkward posing, badly forced dynamics.

>>55030872
I wonder if splashing white would be a good idea.
>Eidolon of Rhetoric or Rule of Law to prevent hand dumps and to hose out Storm
>Reflector Mage to bounce a creature and keep it in their hand for a turn, also chumps

Have you tried anything else?
>Mindbreak Trap/Counterflux for Storm
>Venser to bounce a spell or permanent, also chumps
>Kefnet as a back-up win-con
>Chalice of the Void seeing as how you have almost no one-drops. The opponent can still throw away cards by casting them, but they ain't doing shit anymore.
>Day's Undoing to force both of you to be full-handed. Unfortunately it also skips Fevered Visions triggers with its "end the turn" effect.

Don't know how you would sneak those in.

>>55030832
Bad

>>55022070
It is technically but ironically you have the most socially unaware people, pubstomping jerkdicks who sit down to turn 4 kill precon and tribal casuals and think they are good at the game for it, salty fuckers who rage about everything, and annoying assholes who freak the fuck out about any turn that lasts longer then 3 minutes. Its a format thats ok if it werent for the people.

>>55014505
In a format full of giant eldrazi creatures and death's shadows I would think not

>>55030766
That art is fucking horrible. This hyperrealism bullshit should die already. It looks like a mediocre cosplayer badly miming

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>>55030766

>>55030766
>3 mana strickly worse pithing needle that only hits a planeswalker for 2 turns

Is there a better feeling than slamming eidolon turn 2 against the storm player while having another in the hand?

>>55032118
It's really the only reason I don't want them to bring back Elspeth. That said, they could give her to Villeneuve, which would be fantastic.

>>55032389
>strictly worse
I'm not saying it's not worse. It's a hell of a lot worse. But it's not strictly worse.

>>55020719
Eldrazi & Taxes
It's a fun deck

>>55032389
Aren't most standard decks making like 15 energy a game? That'd be longer than two turns.

>>54992476
Fuck I've had devour flesh in my sideboard for like a year and a half. I'm running blue black infect home brew and have won first place in a few small tournaments at my two lgs's. Wrecks a lot of shit and if running infect has literally no downside.

>>55032438
Having them scoop immediately when they see it

>>55026472
I play skred. definitely a relaxing deck. No shuffle effects in the 75. Playing against storm sucks though because you have to sit there and watch them masturbate

>>55013117
If you wanted people to argue with you, you should have posted this on Reddit. 4chan may be full of autistic faggots, but at least we don't eat shit and know when something is objectively terrible.

>>55002991
I run one in the board for lili matchups. Also good against shadow decks.

I want a deck to play on the side while I'm not playing legacy

RW burn or GB elves?

>>55016172
I decided to do some research into cards that would work well into this deck beyond the basic options people reccomended and oh baby are there some goodies
>extripate because fuck your snapcaster, fetch lands, ghost quarters, and more. Bonus points if you process a card, then extripate it to remove the rest from the opponents deck
>reality shift is a 2 drop path that deals with any creature, low chance of the other player getting payoff from the morph unlike path. You also get bonus secret tech against top of deck tutors.
>Ashiok is basically your Lilly but instead of killing their creatures you steal them

Time to be a really annoying shit on a super budget deck!

>>55033545
do you have an updated list? or is the pic you posted earlier still good

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>>55033440
I dunno. I don't see elves much in Modern for some reason, but my place is not well-known for straying from T1 except for one guy.

>>55033545
>Reality Shift
I never really see that card. It seems pretty janky in theory, but maybe it's actually pretty good.

>>55033720
>no Wu Charbelcher

Hello guys. I don't think I want to play yugioh anymore, so I'd like to start playing MTG. I only know the basic rules. What is the best format for me to learn? Do you have any tips for me?

>>55034015
Look up basic rules for the game or watch people play a bit online

Then the best format to learn starting out is called limited. You'll basically be drafting 3 packs with a table of 8 people and constructing a deck out of it. As far as I remember I don't think yugioh has a limited format?

That's the best and cheapest way to start playing imo

>>55034112
Is there some sort of online platform where I can practice for free?

>>55033621
The pick I posted is still good. I'm gonna update the list once I decide what I want to include and playtest some more. >>55033720
The rule of thumb in magic when it comes to cards is always "consistency". Especially in a competitive environment where money is on the line.

Most people would rather have push/path because you will usually have 1 mana open, and you know what will happen after you cast.

Reality shift has the potential to give the opponent another creature to play. It also gives him a blocker and costs 2 mana.

In 99% of decks, those potential negatives can outweight the positives when you could just run push or path instead for less mana.

The thing with this deck and the nature of it's exiling/processing, is that there are a lot of options to deal with the random factor. It comes full circle.

Despite all this, yeah, I too am surprised I haven't seen reality shift used either. It's still a budget path in blue.

>>55034112
>limited for beginners
Are you serious? That shit is hard.


>>55034150
Magic Online is an official client, but it sucks and costs money. Could be perfect for learning to play tho, because it will only allow you to do stuff rules allow. You can start by playing pauper. Otherwise Cockatrice is a free software where you have to police the rules yourself. If you can find a beginner friendly group, EDH may be a good format to start with too.

>>55034203
To continue my point on randomness, lets look at two hypothetical draw cards in red (we're using red as the example as red normally gets the weird randomness cards;)

Hot idea
(RR)
Instant
Draw two cards

High stakes
(RR)
Instant
Flip a coin. If you get heads, draw three cards. If tails draw one card.

Statistically speaking, you would get the same ammount of card draw from these cards. However nobody would run [high stakes] because you could end up only drawing one card. [Hot idea] would guarentee two cards each time, so players would rather take the safe and consistent route.

>>55033946
This was made at least several months ago. When was Wu Charbelcher first a thing?

>>55034203
Reality Shift seems like a card that would work best either against Go-Tall decks or decks that require creatures as combo (such as Vizier Druid or Knightfall), or with aggressive decks that have high evasion and therefore don't care about blockers.
By the way have you tried Oblivion Sower? Have you ever considered going into three colors or are the other colors not good enough?

>>55034362
Why the hell would you recommend Cockatrice over Xmage to a beginner?

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going into a blind meta, would you build mono-U tron (no chalice or engineered explosives) or BG elves (no cavern of souls)?

>>55034112
Limited is absolutely not the best format for beginners, what are you smoking?
If you don't understand card interaction and mechanics you won't ever be able to make a semi-competitive limited deck.
>>55034015
Standard is probably a good starting point for you since the pool of cards is smaller, since the format rotates every 2 years, and you can build a deck for cheap and then move onto a format like Modern or Legacy later with a large pool of cards from throughout all of Magic's history.

>>55034632
Aggressive decks usually do better in a unknown meta, so probably Elves. Also, Cavern is only important against a handful of decks in Modern, while Chalice on one is the main way U Tron survives aggro.

>>55034537
I've tried oblivion sower. That creature relies more on you exiling the opponents library more often so that you can hit more lands. He pairs better with other ingest creatures (if we think in standard format) and in a strategy around milling by exile (ingest creatures, ashiok, ect). My deck is more about controlling with Exile.

I've considered other colors. The problem is that of the ingest/process creatures, the only ones worth a damn are exclusively in black/blue. There is one decent processor in green (void attendant) and red I guess has vile agreggate. Neither of which are really worth splashing another color for. Vile agreggate takes too much setup for no pay-off. Void attendant just doesn't do anything for me, and requires too much Green to utilize.
With all this in mind, I just find the drop in consistency to be worse than the small potential of payoff of other colors.

Now that you got me thinking about it, I need to look into what options I have to deal with artifact heavy decks.

>>55034997
For artifacts you could try Hurkyl's Recall or Ceremonious Rejection.

There are non-processor cards to consider. Don't know how good some of them are.
>Herald of Kozilek makes your Eldrazi cheaper.
>Bearer of Silence can force opponents to sac creatures. Can't be made as a blocker in a pinch, though.
>Crumble to Dust punishes Tron while also giving you more Processing cards. Can synergize with Oblivion Sower.
>Dimensional Infiltrator acts as an ingestor, flash blocker, and sometimes a bounce blocker.
>Flaying Tendrils for wrath and Processor fuel
>Scavenging Ooze to recycle processed cards.

>>55035324
Hercule's recall looks like the best option. It's mainly me considering sideboard for affinity. I actually really like flaying tendrils against fast-wide matchups.

I still probably won't mix in other colors. If I was to do 3+ colors, I'd probably just make Slivers. Especially with Unclaimed territories coming in the new set!

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>>55033720
man i was supposed to finish this after spring finals but totally forgot about it

>>55032778
i'm also a bit of a skred player. every time i see someone else playing it, they are pretty chill

Man, Knightfall is a pretty tricky deck to play well.

>>55030872

Man, this list is super cool. Nice job, anon.

>>55030990
Dragon's Claw senpai.

>>55033720
>Flowchart has no "I want to play a hard to play deck" option

Is mono red burn viable?

>>55037983
Viable, yes. Just expect to lose a lot more than win. Add white asap for boros charm and deflecting palm.

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How's Dredge doing after he rose and fell againñ

>>55038804
Its strong still, and still obnoxious to play against.

>>55038804
>we haven't gotten another skeleton card since shadows over innistrad
I fucking hate how hard they push zombies.

>SCG did buyout of Twins at GP Denver
Who /hype/ here?

>>55041029
Was twin really ban worthy?

>>55041360

Its a combo that wins by T4. I run Devoted Combo and I can win by T3. However, my deck, just like Twin, is vulnerable to removal, hand disruption, and tax effects. It's easy to kill my combo. People just complain because they lose to these combos when they don't have any interaction whatsoever.

>>55041360
I hear a lot that only Deceiver Exarch deserved to be banned due to the fact that it doesn't die to bolt.

>>55041487
which makes it all the more silly that it is still banned because now a days, Bolt is only a 2 of in decks that aren't burn. Hell, even if they were to ban Exarch and Unban Twin, they only need to splash White or Green for Village Bell Ringer or Bounding Krasis.

>>55041360
It was because the existence of the deck made many other strategies very viable, and many pro players were on the deck. So, the modern Pro Tour would just be a lot of Twin decks playing,and nothing else. So for the sake of diversity they banned the deck, not because it was ever too good or anything.

>>55041029
they're probably speccing for it's popularity in legacy to rise. it's already seeing play in stoneblade lists. i don't think it's better than the back to basics "package" though, and i don't think you can run enough basics for both back to basics and splinter twin to be options in your deck.

>>55034537
Its more of a meme than a thing. But idk, like may? June maybe.

>>55041966
Bullshit, they banned it because it was a package that could go into almost any deck without much trouble. Twin sisters? Check. Twin end? Check. Tron twin? Yep.

>>55041932
All the splashes except one green shock for Grudge suck though, having almost painless manabase is how the deck goes long if just jamming the combo doesn't work.

>>55038804
The deck has a higher built-in fail rate now, but Driven/Despair is pretty gas and gives game vs combo. Since it isn't tier 0 anymore everyone isn't packing 4 Leyline/Surgical so it balances out, Relic can be won through with ease.

>>55042220
What if we did a 5 color, Tribal Flames, Twin, Death's Shadow deck?

>>55038821
>>55039420
>>55042258
There's a 0% chance of GGT being unbanned a 2nd time right? I have manaless dredge but I never actually play the deck, so I'm going to canabalize it for modern dredge

>>55042220
White is actually a really good splash for twin, gives you path and a fuckload of good and goofy SB options.
Remember, no one ever suspects Mana Tithe

>>55042672
>Remember, no one ever suspects Mana Tithe
Especially not when you Spell Pierce does a better job.

>>55043131
Spell Pierce doesn't beat a Turn 2 Thot-Knot senpai

>>55005088
What is a filter land?
>>55004992
Wurmcoil is the best target. That fucker wins the game when he hits the field most of the time.
>>55005014
Was going to go the janky route of mind stones and koth for the wildfire spice, maybe greater gargadon.
>>55007704
Flamecaller might go in. That plus is ridiculous.

>>55045202
The plus is good, the 0 is Card Draw, and the -X can save you from creatures

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>>55045202
These. I don't remember what the black red one is called anymore.

>>55045299
Graven cairns I think. They're pretty inexpensive so I might look into splitting some colors in there.

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>>55045299
>>55047175
Make sure to get the proper version if you are going to be getting Cairns.

>>55048575
If I decide to go rb the future sight borders are the greatest confirmed

>>55048754
They also cost an arm and a leg

>>55049227
8 bucks is an arm and a leg now?

>>55049426
Huh, coulda sworn all of the TSP lands were expensive as fuck at some point...

>>55049481
Just grove

>>55050788
Horizon Canopy is more than Grove these days.

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I don't have any caverns or horizon canopys for GW elves, what should I replace them with?

copying this list, https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/729978#paper

>>55052070
Wait for the functional reprint of Cavern in Ixalan.
Doesn't make it so your shit can't be countered but it does help you with color fixing.

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bully my deck please

I want to play some dumb meme shit, I don't care if I go 0-2 drop

mono R or mono B tron?

>>55053089
G/W Defenders.

>>55053089
Play 7 Land Belcher and laugh at interactionfags when you cast Recross the Paths and put every single threat in your deck right on top.

Wall of text incoming but id like the Modern generals thoughts on this recent statement in a CFB article and if its good or bad for Magic that Blues role as a color is changing.
Rarely are blue's greatest strengths the highlight of a deck anymore, and when they are, it’s almost always creature-centric. A deck like U/R Control or U/W Approach almost feels out of place and is rarely tier 1.
One persistent curiousity since Sphinx’s Revelation rotated is that blue often isn’t even best at drawing cards. That honor has often gone to green decks—Collected Company, Tireless Tracker, and their planeswalkers generally all provide more card advantage than anything in blue. Every other color has had their card draw stapled to a threat at an equal or cheaper cost than if the card simply said "draw X" on it.
Blue decks likely wouldn’t have been losing so many late games if a card like Glimmer of Genius imitated Harnessed Lightning and scaled with additional energy. Instead, anything that provides a large amount of raw card advantage often has a massive drawback or mana cost attached. Meanwhile, its ability to cantrip has been removed from spells and changed to cycling or added to cards like Champion of Wits.
Countermagic has also dropped off dramatically in power, which is arguably not a bad thing. We’ve been slowly inching back to where the bar should likely be with cards like Disallow and Censor, while keeping former staples Negate and Essence Scatter relevant. If we see a slight buff to general countermagic, perhaps we’ll see a return of pure control strategies to the metagame.

>>55053369
Blue isn't allowed to be good.

>>55042669
0% chance

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gifts-loam-4/ suggestions?

>>55052070
Dryad Arbor can be helpful in matchups that allow you to play a little slower. Fetchable and saccable to Westvale in a pinch.
Personally, I'd just run up the number of Windswept Heaths and Temple Gardens.

>>55052680
No point. It doesn't fix mana for the things you actually need it to. Cavern is only there to make sure your Ezuri/combo sticks.

>>55053507
4c is cute and dank, but I think you could have a really powerful Assault-Loam deck by cutting the Steam Vents and the 4 Gifts. The card is nice, but I dunno if the Gifts piles would be worth the 4 mana (even with retrace, conflag, etc.)
Jund just seems a lot smoother, but hell jamming Gifts is never a bad time especially if you've already played Jund alot.

I would personally try out a Gitfrog and a Shadow of the Grave or two, maybe add another assault/conflag and cut a flamejab (like it as a 1of). maybe pox, or ghast/hollow ones. There could be some neat Aftermath cards in those colors too, would probably have a Heaven//Earth in the sb for memesake.
as for the steam vents, 1 bojuka bog is always nifty, and some cycle dual lands are a must

>>55053710
thanks, think 4 assaults is too many from my experience playing loam pox, might add 1 zombie infestation. but the reason to play gifts is so you can get away with fewer threats and also to solve the loamless hands problems. the gitfrog problem is that it just eats all there removal, having all removal being dead is actually really nice.

>People still bitching about Eldrazi when the deck doesn't make Top 8 consistently

Why are midrange cucks so bad at the game?

I did it boys. I came first in modern night.

Lightning Bolt is OP as fuck. 3 damage for R on an instant is absurd.

>>55041029
>tfw just bought a playset

Hoping for unban

>>55056031
If twin is unbanned and not sfm I'll quit and never buy another magic product.

>>55056110
It's pretty unlikely that either will be unbanned, but still nice to own the card just in case.

>>55055962
It's the best red card in the format. I doubt it will see a ban because it cripples burn and enables a couple fringe lists that are mono red

>>55055962
>modern players

>>55055359
I've noticed that nu-magic players hate everything that isn't midrange:
Basic aggro or burn? Too fast.
Combo? Not how Magic suppose to be played!
Control? Too slow! Not fun!

They're the true fucking cancer and this extends way outside of Modern.

>>55053369
It's just stupid design philosophy. Spells are becoming weaker, while creatures are becoming stronger and more relevant because often enough you must have creatures if you don't want to let planeswalkers get out of hand (I'm not talking about any eternal formats here now).

Blue still keeps the worst way of dealing with creatures among colors (bounce) and doesn't get any relevant creatures, while the strengths of the color are being overpriced for blue itself, while under-priced for secondary effects on other colors.

I'd fear for the future, if I cared for more than 1-2 cards per set and any sanctioned formats.

>>55055550
welcome to the thread, king of the retards

>>55052772
The Autist in me thinks you should be running Prismatic Omen that way you don't need to give the slightest fuck about your Moon's hurting your mana base. Not sure you have room for it though.

>>55032856
>at least we don't eat shit and know when something is objectively terrible
What did he mean by this?

>>55057842
>new set gets released
>reddit collectively creams their pants and circlejerks about how they are excited are and how much they like the new Token Minority
>4chan makes WE WUZ KANGS jokes and bitches about the awful writing, flavour text and lower power level
Yeah I really wonder

New thread?

>>55053369
I fucking hate the new design direction. So much that I may quit magic if it gets worse, and I fucking love magic. It was my childhood, adolescence and early adulthood combined, but this new "every deck needs to smash creatures every turn" bullshit is turning me off so much. I didn't have fun with standard since Theros, and that wasn't even that good of a set. And its just getting worse... Why can't we have Lorwyn back, man

>>55057954
>4chan makes jokes
>still pays WOTC the fee each new set
That will teach them.