>Leather armor

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>You step into the inn wearing one of these

>>54963186
What of it?
It's supposed to be Cuir Bouilli.

I mean, there's shit to complain about, but this is low on that list.

>Studded Leather Armor.
>No Stats for Linothorax armor.
>Gambesons are barely better than running around in a t-shirt.
>WTF is up with these weapon names.
>That's not a rapier, thats a funny looking sabre.
>That's not a Longsword, that's an arming sword. THIS is a Long Sword.
etc.

>>54963316
It's a leather corset and a harness to attach your bags/scabbards to.

Seems pretty reasonable for a slutty age of sail adventurer.

>>54963316
Only in steampunk campaigns.

>>54963321
>No Stats for Linothorax armor.

2/6, the same as FUCKING LEATHER. have fun

Seriously.

>>54963316
Sans the embelleshment engravings, that could be fine I think. Wear it over a blouse with some braces and some leather pants, you're a decent slutty pirate. Suck my dick and I might let you counts as leather

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>Leather chain-maille

BLOOD MUST BE SHED

>>54963382
Linothorax is definitely better protection than leather.

It's like primitive Kevlar.

>>54963472
>>54963472
>The tests also concluded that quilted armor offered roughly three quarters of the protection of laminated armor; thus the quilted patches were less effective. This was found to be true in every sort of test conducted.

>3/4ths

Quilted/Padded armor is 1/8th
Make it 1/4th more effective

2/8

It's leather armor with a higher dex modifier.

>>54963321
>Studded Leather Armor.

Is brigantine. Somebody fucked up in the TSR days and put it in twice, is all.
In my setting "studded leather" is a specialised light brigantine designed to be as quiet and easy to move in as possible, used by agents, assassins, and thieves. Being caught in possession of such a suit without a writ authorizing it is tantamount to owning thieves' tools.

>>54963553
>A 1.5 to 2 inch thick quilted gambeson is crappier armor than leather
Can you back this up?

Because I'm pretty sure Leather<Quilted<Linothorax.

Also, what are your weird fractions for?

2/8?
2/6?

>>54963669
Oh, I know how the error came about.

But it's definitely not brigandine. It's described as leather with studs in it, not leather with metal plates riveted to the inside.

>Light Brigandine
How does one make "Light Brigandine"? Do the plates simply cover fewer vital areas?

>>54963738

Well, yeah, later editors compounded the initial error by describing it as if it was something else. But it's brigantine.

>Do the plates simply cover fewer vital areas?

Yeah, basically. Less protection (though not visibly so) but lighter and easier to move in when you're climbing in and out of windows.

>>54963839
It's based on images of brigandine, but as it's described and statted as as an upgrade to leather and not a downgrade from fullplate, and as brigandine is already in the game, it's not brigandine.

It's just made up nonsense.

>>54963669
>>54963738
I personally don't really give a shit about armour in d&d and I'll let a suit of 'half plate' count as chainmail or whatever best suits the character. Hell, I'll let a longsword trade in versatile for finesse.

Usually I just say something like "this leather armour has matching metal bracers" or "the chest piece is backed with metal bands that provide minimal restriction to movement."

If I were running RoS or SoS I'd be more pedantic about it but gear values in most d20 stuff is so abstract I just do whatever suits balance the best.

>>54963703
Quilted Armor Testing
https://costumegirl.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/the-making-of-a-medieval-gambeson/

28 layers thick, as it should be.

Cuir Bouille is shitty against stabs, and brittle. It's crap armor.


Leather < Gambeson < Linothorax < Plate
No Question.

Gambeson < Chain < Brigandine < Plate
No Question.

Here's where I'm less confident.
Chain, Lamellar, Linothorax.
I lean towards Lamellar < Chain < Linothorax, but I'm not really sure.

>>54963669
Why would they need armor if they aren't supposed to be fighting in the first place?

>>54964260
>"Airline accidents barely ever happen, why waste time training pilots to deal with them?"

That said I do always think of that one scene in The Hurt Locker when I think about armour. Guy's dealing with a bomb so big that he takes off the EOD suit so he can work/die in comfort.

>>54963186
Its really interesting that while there is no short supply of people who say leather armor is dumb (and they are right), they usually dont articulate WHY it is dumb.

>>54963186
I would rather wear no armor than this armor without mail.

>>54964193
>Cuir Bouille is shitty against stabs, and brittle. It's crap armor.

Wax-boiled leather is brittle and crap. No data on the performance of other boiling method.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmdZYXu4zVw

Skal's 6mm leather stood up against sword cuts, some (not all) axe chops, and some (not all) crossbow bolts remarkably well.

And that's before any traditional leather armor processing such as boiling, oiling, and lacquering being applied to it.

Many gambesons and padded armors are twice (or more!) as thick, but do not stand up to abuse (especially from sword cuts) as well as this piece of leather.

>>54964775
Test on gambeson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li_yObDjXVQ

>>54964193
>Lamellar < Chain
Lamellar vs Chain is a tricky subject.

For weapons that both can resist (i.e. sword cuts, arrows), lamellar is inferior to chain, because it has more gaps to exploit, and it is not as durable as chain mail. Repeated blows can break lacing and cause bits to fall off, while mail armor can resist more or less indefinitely.

On the other hand, lamellar can stoop up to heavier hitter than chainmail. For example, lamellar can resist dedicated can-opener such as two-handed morning star, poleaxe, heavy crossbow and even light firearms/stray shots to some degree (though not as well as full plate), while chainmail basically just fold and die.