MTG BUY OUT

>>54961341
Chinamen still prints it

>>54961341
please forgive this stupid question from a dude who doesn't usually buy singles
what doe that mean?
all copies for sale were bought by one dude?
why?

>>54961642
It generally means that some asshole is going to relist them for $800 a piece because he thinks some other idiot is gonna pay huge bucks because OMG PRICE SPIKE

>>54961914
but who the fuck is gonna buy shahazad?
its banned everywhere and even kitchen table is gonna say fuck you

>>54961953
Eccentric rich waifufag.

>>54961613
I cannot wait for Chinaman to reach perfect counterfeiting. Fuck speculators, and fuck Wizards for letting the Reserve List go on this long.

Yet another sign that the market is steadily approaching a series of extremely unhealthy consequences.

>>54962170

It'll have zero impact on Wizards. The only people who would bother going to an online counterfeiter are people who buy singles from secondary sellers, not the pack-crackers. An extreme minority, in other words.

Honestly, I don't even know why you'd pay for them. If you're going to play with fake cards anyways, why not just make your own and save money?

>>54962170
I too want Mr. China to reach perfection, I want more people getting ripoff by his work. That's the only way to get rid of the stupid list.

Fuck """"investors"""" and hoarders, i just want to fucking play the game.

>>54962170
>mad about the reserve list
lol

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They have to stop supporting it some day.

>>54962372

Maro is just bound by some corporate NDA. The RL is just a policy, not a legal decree. I don't think it's sustainable.

Gimme your best argument against the reserve list?

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>>54962372
>fix the game for new players
but
>fuck over people that allready own the cards so don't spend money on the game

fuck the reserve list
it's a terrible business decision

>>54962212
can't play fake cards at tourneys
the game is pay to win and the pay is too much

>wizards keeps the reserve list but prints every single card on it for 1 mana less

>>54962495

It guarantees the incorrect allocation of consumer confidence in their products. Instead of reprinting cards and providing confidence in the quality of new products at the retail level, they have made a losing bet on confidence sequestration among collectors and vendors.

>>54962500
I think they should keep it, then announce Pro-Tour will support non-reserved Legacy. Would be the easiest thing to do. Release another Eternal Masters and keep people happy.

>>54962495

I hate secondary single sellers... well... specifically the largest local one.

I respect that a business has to make money to survive, and that requires buying low and selling high. But the owner has flat-out lied to my face multiple times, even knowing I've been a loyal customer for a long time.

He's also the kind of guy that goes to every Walmart, Target, etc and buys out all their product immediately so you cannot get sealed goods at MSRP.

I want the reserved list to go away just in spite of him.

>>54962500
How will removing the reserve list make the game better? The reserve list is less of a money thing and more of a "holy shit we never should have printed this shit"

>>54962615
lol if a lgs doesnt sell sealed at msrp I just walk out

>>54962662
By making vintage and legacy staples accessible which allows for new blood into the scene without having to take out a 2nd mortgage on your home. At this rate the eternal formats have 2 fates, dying out because it's too expensive to get into or getting flooded by players with counterfeits.

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>>54962662
>more of a "holy shit we never should have printed this shit"
Not really anon, there are tons of things on the RL that would be just fine to print today, like: granite gargoyle, hedge troll, vesuvan doppleganger, wood elemental, Juzam Djinn, etc. In fact, most of the cards on the reserved list are shit, people would be angry to pull them in draft even, It's just that there's some real format defining gold mixed in with the shit.

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Modern is still too expensive for me to ever think removing the Reserved List would do anything to prices.

>>54962700
>getting flooded by players with counterfeits.
This has already happened, counterfeit cards are currently running rampant in modern and legacy. Pretty much every event that I watch coverage for I pick out multiple fake cards, and I'm not even looking that hard.

>>54962743
well the solution is simple, you just add all the cards on the reserve list to the ban list of legacy

>>54962932
If they did this, why would they keep Modern? Does anyone even like Modern over Legacy for any reason besides price?

>>54962932
A bunch of people on reddit tried no RL Legacy, the format was apparently aggro (read: Delver) dominated shit with most of the combo and prison decks being dead due to needing reserved list cards and control being unplayable due to the manabase that it required.

>>54963133
wouldnt they just use shock lands?

>>54963133
While that makes sense, I do like the idea of multcolored decks having a hard time compared to mono-colored decks.

Do you think it would change with time? Modern is pretty split, maybe with time the format could develop.

>>54963133
sounds like standard

>>54963194
Yep , no RL UR delver/Burn was ridiculous, Price of Progress is even more ridiculous of a card when people are getting shocked or worse to play on curve

>>54963133
What I'm more interested in seeing is an eternal format like legacy, but with no fetch lands. Brainstorm's power level comes from being paired with fetches, delve is retarded due to fetched filling the yard, decks can be four color good stuff and expect to regularly find their colors while jamming a few wastelands to boot. Basically I see fetches as the root of a lot of long standing problems and the reason for several banning in legacy.

>>54962774

Even Pauper is pretty expensive.

Not that I think all decks should cost what Penny Dreadful decks do but some mid point between the two would be nice.

>>54963378
They should release a supplemental set for Pauper and cause each deck to tank to less than $20. Every card has an equal chance of being drawn and add in some new commons that don't follow New World Order.

what about wizard makes...............

FETCHABLE PAIN LANDS

>>54963194
With Price of progress and Fireblast in the format you pretty much couldn't play shocks in control decks, it makes burn capable of killing on turn 3 and UR Delver being a bit slower but having countermagic. Any control deck that wants to have 4+ lands in play is risking taking the shock damage in addition to 8+ damage from ever PoP. Hilariously banning the RL cards means that more bans would have to be made to balance the format, most likely PoP and Delver to try to tone aggro and burn down.

ITT: Poorfags
Get a job losers

>>54963591
I dont think its hilarious, it think its obvious. you apply a sudden shock to a system, of course its gonna affect something else

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>>54963610
Not really, I own most legacy and vintage staple. I want the eternal formats to be cheaper/more supported so I have people to play with. My magic decks are useless if they're so expensive nobody can afford to build one to play with me.

>>54963680
>sleeving tokens

ive seen some shit

>>54963666
I didn't mean it was hilarious as in it was unexpected, more that it was funny that people thought removing a bunch of cards from an very well balance format wouldn't most likely create a very unbalance, lopsided abomination that would require a bunch of bans to not make completely degenerate.

>>54963751
Its just people with a problem in search of a solution

>>54963751
I don't play Modern, how "balanced" is it compared to Legacy and "No Reserved" Legacy?

>>54963721
Lol it seems to tilt the shit out of people. I used to carry around 30+ goblin tokens with me to mess with people, but it was a pain in the ass. So now I just carry around a few sleeved tokens, no rules against it as far as I know.

>>54963803
Its all fun and games until you ad nauseam into a token

Besides, tokens are like supposed to be the beat step child of mtg players. Maybe if it was lage but these are just some fucking goblins

>>54963886

sleeving emblems is next level shit

>>54963914
Wizards dropped the ball on emblems. You dont get to ult planewalkers that much (yeah we know ally does) so emblems should look cool, but they dont.

Wizards will release a "create your own mtg card" or something like a "proxying kit" and let people "print" reserve list cards so wizards technically isnt printing them

>>54963886
>Its all fun and games until you ad nauseam into a token
I Haven't fucked up sideboarding in a token yet, I've got the deck double sleeved with the exception of the tokens, so their pretty easy to tell them apart just from holding them.

>tokens are like supposed to be the beat step child of mtg players
Maybe that's why its funny to me, it just gives me the giggle to sleeve $0.05 cards and see the reaction from people when I throw them out, same as making an unnecessarily large amount of goblins and making it rain goblin tokens. Had to stop doing that one though, almost got DQ'd for it once.

>>54964063
When not go all out? Before the match begins, put a zipper binder full of double sleeved goblins on the table. Im talking like 1000000000 goblins. Once you resolve warrens, go in and pull them out.

Bonus points if you have the little packets that are supposed to reduce moisture.

At some point, something has to give. Its either the reserve list or legacy

>>54964163
Just drop Legacy and watch it die like Vintage. I'd love for them to kill the format and forbid employees to talk about it like the 3rd party market and the Reserved List itself. Would be a massive shit storm from collectors.

>>54964224
Same thing is gonna to modern.

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>>54962538
They already did that with Ancestral Recall.

>>54963886
I keep "special" tokens like Wurmcoil or Voice Tokens in clear sleeves. They're protected, but there's no risk of them ending up shuffled in.

>>54964147
Or you can be completely obnoxious with your tokens.

https://youtu.be/AyjNPnkGelY?t=916

>>54962170
Wizards won't abolish the Reserved List for some sort of legal reasons - everything they talk about it makes it clear that lawyers are involved.
The people actually making the cards don't want it around, because it makes them unable to print stuff, from Exciting Supplemental Reprint to having a flying first strike 2/2 for 1WW
The people who own the big stores don't want it around, because they want to actually sell their shit and not have it sit around rotting.
What if Wizards is actually connected to The Chinaman? Make it so you can't tell if any of the old stuff is real or fake, to the point where the old stuff isn't actually valuable anymore. If it's not valuable, the people who could possible cause trouble wouldn't, and Wizards can print fancy new frame versions of the old stuff that is Guaranteed Legit - while the Chinaman supplies bulk copies of staples for those who don't care so much.

>>54964657
what am i supposed to be looking for here?

>>54964786
>>54964657
okay i saw it

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>>54963914
I sleeve monarch tokens and experience counters, fight me brah

>>54964895
>he plays commemeder

>>54962662
That's literally fucking wrong though you god damn troglodyte. The reserve list was established after the grognards who played back in 96 got booty devestated that 4th edition and chronicles devalued a bunch of their shit that they protested and practically killed the game. It has ALWAYS been about money.

>>54963721
I sleeve my tokens back to back in clear sleeves. What's wrong with that?

>>54964963
>he doesn't throw Monarch into legacy games because so few people actually hit with creatures.

>>54963378
>most expensive decks in the format are around $100
>majority of the best decks are $50
>expensive
people buy commander decks for $35, for $15 more, a casual can buy a top tier deck
and the shit never rotates
and if you buy blue, you're probably buying a ton of staples that you can endlessly reuse

I'm all for making a pauper supplement though, I like fun.

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>>54966876
>Pauper
>Fun

How is a format that's 75%+ aggro fun?

>>54966916
Control is anti-fun
Combo is masturbation
Aggro/Mid-range is Magic at it's best

Also, why the fuck do you care about Pauper prices if you don't like Pauper to begin with?

>>54966916
plenty of those aggro decks are also combo decks

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>>54966935
I didn't say anything about prices, just expression my doubts that a 75% aggro format with almost no control is "fun". The format seems really biased toward creature based aggressive strategies, I prefer the formats I play to have a healthy mix of viable strategies. Legacy to me represents this with pretty much every archetype being represented.

>Aggro/Mid-range is Magic at it's best
They're fine, but other strategies should be viable, things get pretty bland when all you play against is creature aggro. Maybe I'm weird, but I genuinely enjoy playing against control and combo, nothing feels better than grinding out a win against control or pounding combo into the ground with precise plays.

>Control is anti-fun
>Combo is masturbation
I guess we have a difference of opinion, you wouldn't catch me dead playing a format where those two archetypes are not a reasonable percentage of the field.

>>54967303
Legacy is on the exact opposite end of the spectrum as far as price is concerned.
If Legacy had Pauper prices, everyone would play it.

>>54967377
I'm not even considering prices mate. I'm talking about what seems to be the general meta for the format and how that would impact my ability to enjoy it.

>>54967419
>I'm not even considering prices mate
The whole point of Pauper isn't that it provides the absolute best play experience out of any format.
The point is in the name, it's for poorfags who don't want to shell out hundreds or thousands of dollars, but would still like to play constructed.

It's not as competitive as other formats, so you can feel free to brew up some combo or control if you want. Sorry that the netdecks aren't to your liking.

>>54964224
>3rd party market
Is that college-talk for counterfeiters?

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>>54967456
Price point doesn't mean anything if you don't enjoy the type (or distribution) of strategies that a format pretty much forces you into to remain competitive. The price point is irrelevant, if you don't enjoy it, you don't enjoy it. Shit will be shit no matter how cheap or expensive it is.

>Sorry that the netdecks aren't to your liking.
Nigga please, you claim this is a constructed format then try to downplay the fact that top decks will be figured out and round it all off with "well, you can brew so that makes it ok". So apparently I'm not allowed to draw conclusions based upon the decks that are most commonly played. I'm not even sure what your trying to argue or what your point is other than "this format is cheap, cheap is good, therefore this format is good".

>>54964895
>using the Monarch token with its shitty grammatical error
>not using a cardboard crown from Burger King

Begone, pleb.

>>54963886

I just use spare sleeves from mkm orders to put them on

>>54967566
Hi, control player with hundreds of pauper matches on mtgo.

Control is perfectly fine, I've been running UB counterspell tribal for years now. The reason there's more aggro has a lot to do with the fact that control has like four good universal finishers that slot into two decks in the entire format. So all control decks boil down to UB for Angler and Curse of the Bloody Tome or tron for Rolling Thunder and Ulamog's Crusher.

>>54968264
I think what that anon was getting at was the meta seems to be extremely skewed, not that control/combo don't exist in the format.

>>54968291
And I offered justification. There are literally two ways to play control in pauper, and a dozen ways to play aggro.

>>54968301
Yeah, but it doesn't magically fix the problem only explains it. If you don't enjoy 3/4 games being against aggro, your not going to enjoy the format. I mean fuck, he even pointed out the distribution of deck types was his problem with the format.

How did Legacy become so perfect that no format can touch it? Most staples are from before MtG was ever balanced and is filled with broken lands.

I love Legacy, my favorite format. Is it just luck it became so fun to play? Don't play Modern but hear it's awful.

man people are so butthurt about an 11 year old banlist

>>54968358
Who said I was trying to fix any problem? If he's made up his mind about the format then my ass isn't going to change that. I was offering my insight as a control player in the format.

And I think at least part of his distaste for the format was his perception that control was weak, since it had a lower meta share than aggro, another reason why I decided to give my perspective.

>>54968374
>11 year old

The number you're looking for is 21. The reserved list can legally purchase alcohol in the US.

>>54968264
In formats that are played competitively people generally play what wins, especially when cost isn't much of a barrier. Control may be "fine", and a good control player may do decently with it, but it's obviously not that great a choice or it would have better than a 22% metagame share.

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Only autistic neets newfags/poorfags want the reserve list gone.

also one guy on TCG has pic in the op's topic now. I own two, I love the reserve list, also fakes are obvious and always will be, you can't copy the old smell and cardstock

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>>54969557
>smells cardstock
>calls other people autistic

I own some amount of RL cards and I would be happy if lands would be removed from the list. They are too essential for formats. Or print them as snow covered versions or something.

I'd like it if they made cards specifically made to outdate Reserve list cards, not even the actual staples, like all the dumb stuff like Thunder Spirit and Two-Headed Giant of Foriys that should be okay to reprint (although making moxes that tap for double mana and lotus that sacs for four of a color would be deliciously evil). Like, how about a Two0Headed Giant of Foriys with an extra point of power? Wouldn't be game-breakingly strong and now people who want to play with that card can just use something better. OR Thunder spirit, how about just reprinting it with less color weight at W2 instead of WW1? FIF that's not enough of a change you could throw Locuswalk on it, would functionally change the card but not mean anything 99% of the time (since Cloudpost decks don't play blockers much anyway). That would actually be more fun than reprinting them, I think.

Honest question, how does Magic profit on Legacy players? It may just be my scene, but most Legacy players I know ONLY play Legacy because it's the best format in their eyes, never buy boosters or go to casual events. Wouldn't pissing off people who invested in reserved cards not hurt them at all?

>>54970545
Well, a lot of the people who own moxes and duals and mana drains stuff like that also own stores, they bought the moxes and shit with the idea that it will slowly rise in price so they can resell it to a player later. This kind of thing helps keep the store in business since packs and FNM drafts don't sell as well when a crappy set comes out.

Really, it would fuck over a lot of stores which actually would hurt them. Some might close, but most would just get pissed off and stop carrying MtG (two of my local stores stopped doing Magic because Wizards pissed them off too much and they didn't want to deal with the obnoxious players anymore, we get some real mega-spergs around here). Stores not carrying Magic actually does hurt them.

>>54970615
Thank you Anon, always wondered.

>>54963721
I double sleeve mine, nigger.

>>54969729
What exactly do you doubt about his post?

>>54963295
Fetches are actually important for every deck because they reduce RNG and make them more consistent. There's a reason even mono decks will run them, you want to make your deck more reliable and lose because your opponent plays better. The mana system itself is a nightmare they'll never be able to balance and fetches are important in order to make sure it causes as few problems as possible.
If anything, they should be reprinted every block alternating enemy and ally colors.

>>54972962
Except fetches allow people to play 4 colours just as easily as two.

When you can fetch for a nonbasic island or plains, then it's not a two-colour dual land, it's an any colour dual land.

At the very least make them basic only, even if they enter untapped. Having decks that can freely play any cards with fuck all for consequences is awful.

>>54966916
Because Control and Combo arent fun

>>54966916
This list is wrong.
Mono-B Midrange, Slivers and Affinity are midrange decks. Elves and Kiln Fiend are combo decks. Delver and its variants are tempo decks.

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Can you pump a cat more than once with Big Cat's second ability

If not then I'm just gonna go Chameleon Colossus and start smacking some faces with exponential damage

>>54974060
Fuck, wrong thread

>>54970615
>fuck over a lot of stores
I agree with what you said, but I don't think killing the RL hurts a lot of stores. It only hurts the few huge big stores sitting on huge piles of RL cards.

In this anti-retail climate any mom and pop store sitting on thousands of dollars of cards expecting a payout are retards. They would've sold the cards and invested the money elsewhere if they were smarter. For the most part it isn't worth their effort dealing with that shit because they'd have to actually sell it to someone willing to pay retail, of which fewer and fewer customers are interested.

Only the big stores like SCG or CFB can absorb the cost of pulling out thousands of dollars in cash to buy RL cards in a single transaction. And it wouldn't surprise me if they soon become the sole sellers of those cards partially because they're the only ones who have them and partially because they're the only ones who provide security that the cards are real.

The most offensive part about all this, which you mention, is that Wizards feels like protecting those few huge retailers who utterly failing to support their MANY small retailers, who are struggling in many other ways.

I'm willing to admit that the days of the local games store is soon to be gone, and I'm sure Wizards knows that. But when that business model dies we can squarely point the finger at Wizards for exacerbating the problem as well as killing local Magic in the process.

And if they think they're going to retreat to the online card game model they're sorely mistaken. Hearthstone is eating their lunch and that Valve Artifact game is going to come online LONG before Wizards gets their shit together.

Mark the people defending or praising Wizards today - tell them that they are ignoring the issues today of stores losing faith in the product that are ultimately going to kill the paper game.

>>54973854
Maybe they'd need a nerf, but fetches that could bring any of a single type of land into the game would be fine. If terramorphic bought into play untapped lands every mono deck would run 4 of it, as it should be.
Fetches right now allow people to reduce the number of games where they get mana flooded or screwed too much and the decks they allow are a lesser evil compared to making decks overly reliant on a suplly that's not too big or small or mana.

>>54974152
I wonder if it's possible for Wizards/Hasbro to completely fuck up the Magic/D&D brand so hard that they become economically non-viable.

I didn't think it was possible in this day an age for a multi-million dollar brand to lose support given how fucking stupid consumers are shovelling their money into endless Spiderman remakes. But then, we just saw Mass Effect eat shit in the hardest way imaginable - it killed the studio and put the entire brand on ice. I'm a bit disturbed that we might actually see the death of Magic or D&D in our lifetime not because they were bad, but because the idiots managing it didn't know what they fuck they were doing.

>>54974275
My ideal fetch sacrifices for one of two basics and puts it into play untapped. You get fixing, you get to play it immediately, but you pay for the life and you have to dedicate, you can't just grab a shock and then on your next fetch grab the other two colours in your deck. Ultimately, the more colours you add to your deck, the more powerful the deck should be, but the less reliable it gets. Fetches as they are interrupt that.

>>54961341
Out of all the cards to buy out they chose one that is banned in all formats

Why

>>54970545
If they canned the reserved list and released a Fuck Speculators Masters set with Black Lotus (now just 9.95 per pack) it would be pretty much the same as printing money. Doesn't matter if the Lotus is a super duper mythic that nobody will actually open, people of all sorts would lap it up. Alternatively, they could just straight reprint old sets for grognards like myself but I think that's a major deviation from what they've been doing the past 15 years, and honestly would only work on major anniversaries in terms of general sales.

>>54972962
>There's a reason even mono decks will run them
Usually that's because of specific interactions like Searing Blaze or Grim Lavamancer. Otherwise the life loss would probably be more significant than any amount of thinning.

>>54974955
1993/1994 gas been gaining some small scale traction.

>>54974054
Still makes it nothing but aggressive creature decks anon, there is almost no combo or control in the format.

>>54972962
I agree fetches are fantastic at reducing variation, but they are responsible for lots of power level issues, there's a reason lots of pros have called for them to be banned. It's rather telling that mono colored decks that don't need the fixing are running them due to how powerful they are and the interactions they enable (Brainstorm, delve, etc.)

>>54970028
They actually WANT to be able to print 1WW 2/2 flying/first strikes for limited and whatnot. 2HGoF doesn't matter as much because it's not really a red thing anymore, but Thunder Spirit's stats are perfectly fine - but they can't print functional reprints (and just changing creature type still counts as functional reprint as far as the Reserved List is concerned), adding literally pointless text muddles up the card and gets people asking WHY DOES THIS HAVE THIS all the time (I mean people are STILL asking about Scornful Egotist and it HAD a purpose in its own set), and adding anything useful at all means a cost hike.

>>54962662
MaRo has literally whined every single development cycle because he cannot print functional copies of Thunder Spirit. By his own admission.
R&D hates the list.
SCG/CFB/Card Kingdom hate the list
Everyone who wants to play Legacy or Commander at full power hate the list
Even smaller stores hate the list.
The only people who like the list is some WotC stockholders and people like Rudy.

>>54963042
Force of Will, Daze, Brainstorm, Wasteland, Stoneforge Mystic, Deathrite Shaman and pretty much every non-Modern legal card in Legacy's top 100 except duals and City of Traitors are not on the resserved list.
Legacy without the RL wouldn't be like Modern at all.

>>54979162
They did a lot of reprint shenanigans in Time Spiral, which is why it was such a fun set. Ancestral Vision and Thunder Totem come to mind.

>>54979708
Hedge Troll was p. gud.

>>54974325
>Hasbro says fuck it
>Sells Magic to EA
>Game collapses

Would love to watch the chaos

WHERE DID ALL THE FOIL LOST LEONINS GO?!

>>54981540
The last page on tcgplayer?

Don't know if this should go here or the general, but I haven't played mtg for 13ish years, what's the best format to dive back in for someone who has no cards and doesn't want to mortgage his house?

>>54981624
Draft.

Draft and sealed are the best.

It will familiarize you with the new cards, and you can decide whether or not you enjoy them. You also are buying an evening's worth of enjoyment, after which you get to keep your cards to build your new card pool with.

>>54966935
>Control is anti-fun
t. Brainlet

>>54981624
pauper

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>>54982958
>pauper
you mean shit.

>>54980601
I'd shit my pants if EA got its kike fingers on it.

>>54983033
epic

>>54962615
Someone tell Anon here about this "internet" thing.

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Give ABU Duals a reprint under a different name with text that says "this card is treated as [ABU Dual]."
It's not a reprint of them, and since it counts as [card name] in deck building and construction, they can still only have two-of in a deck. Legacy costs a fuckton cheaper and is more accessible to people who don't want to spend a literal grand on a manabase.

Boom, problem solved.

>>54966916
Aggro is so good in pauper, that every single banned card is control or combo oriented.

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>>54985035
That somehow makes a 75% aggro format okay? That just means they nerfed combo and control so hard they can't compete while leaving aggro alone. In any reasonable format that would means aggro would lose some tools to bring it's power level in line with other archetypes, but I guess not. Sounds like a great format.

Man, I would love to watch some NEET win the lottery and destroy the Magic economy by doing this to some Legacy staples.

>>54964963
Monarch cards were excellent against Miracles because the deck struggled to actually put damage on you until they were killing you.

>>54962662
>The reserve list is less of a money thing and more of a "holy shit we never should have printed this shit"
Wow you actually couldn't be more wrong. It was explicitly the anal devastation that Chronicles brought about that caused the Reserved List.

>>54962212
>It'll have zero impact on Wizards. The only people who would bother going to an online counterfeiter are people who buy singles from secondary sellers, not the pack-crackers. An extreme minority, in other words.

are you retarded? Where do you think singles sellers get their product?

They open crates and crates of booster packs. One player who needs a playset of a mythic means an average of 480 packs were opened to find them.

>>54985852
Someone tried to buyout Lion's Eye Diamonds a few months ago and failed miserably.

>>54985102
You got it backwards, control is the strong one. Control in pauper is so strong that it keeps everything but tiny, goes under counterspell aggro decks out of the format.

That chart is also ass backwards, counting delver decks as aggro despite 12 counterspells and three creatures.

>>54962170
>>54962300
>>54964690
You are all retarded.

Someone who buys these kind of cards is not gonna buy the card, he's gonna buy the rated card.

IF we'll arrive at the point where not even rating companies will be able to tell the difference (not possible if they use advanced technology), then the collectors will simply have to buy cards that were rated BEFORE the counterfeit became "identical", restricting the pool of singles even more, therefore making them even more sought after and exclusive and expensive.

tl;dr Only retards "invest" in non-rated over €1000 cards, counterfeiting will NEVER make the prices (of rated cards) lower.

>>54962615
>He's also the kind of guy that goes to every Walmart, Target, etc and buys out all their product immediately so you cannot get sealed goods at MSRP.
Lol.

>But the owner has flat-out lied to my face multiple times, even knowing I've been a loyal customer for a long time.
Yeah, this is awful, I hate when sellers do that and it's why I could never be a seller.

Now compare that to my Comic Book store which I've been buying from 10 years where the owner gives me the keys of the store when he's in the other store he ownes on the other side of the street.

>>54985035
Cranial Plating. Also Invigorate, but you can argue Infect is a control deck.

Redpill me on buying people's old collections online. I'm trying to get back into magic, looking for cheap cards from literally any set just for fun and will not resort to buying repacks or nothing but commons by the kilogram. Is it actually worth it to get a couple booster boxes once in a while and just sell anything that's currently popping?

>>54987075
It's almost always worth it to just buy the singles you want to use. There are rare occasions where you can find someone trying to unload a valuable collection, but it's mostly just luck and they'll usually be posted on a Facebook or Reddit group.

>>54975293
>honestly would only work on major anniversaries in terms of general sales
You mean like Masters 25? :^)

>>54984090
Have you actually read the reserved list rules? They won't ever reprint those cards or ones with the same name. The only thing they can do is print something weaker (which they have been doing for years) or stronger (but they refuse to make anything that's strictly better than basics)

>>54962372
Spooky.

Wizards has a massive stockpile of Reserve List cards. That's why they refuse to reprint them, because it would wipe out a large portion of the company's value. Whenever Wizards is low on cash, they sell of some of their Reserve List cards.

Wizards will never become publicly traded so they can hide this dirty little secret.

>>54987561
>make hundreds of thousands printing newer sets
That's not enough, let's supplement it by making a few thousand selling old cards in a shady way!
Yeah, real solid theory you got there.

>>54986820
>control is the strong one
Doesn't make any sense, if it was that good it would have far better than a 22% meta.

>But Delver=control!
Ok, add their 2% meta share to control. Your 76% aggro format is now 74% aggro.>>54986673

>>54988333
Delver is 17% buddy, "deep hour aggro" is just a meme name for delver of secrets (it is actually mono U delver.)

They also list mono black control as aggro and izzet blotz as aggro. You are looking at a 50/40/10 that they have decided to reclassify for whatever reason. If you actually played pauper you would know this, instead of looking at a very misleading breakdown.

TLDR most of those are "white cuban" style classifications.

I'm confused about the "functional reprint" rule
Like Boris Devilboon is a bad Ant Queen... but Ant Queen despite doing what Boris does except better is allowed?
Is they're hope for another griffin lord?

>>54988612
So an aggresive deck running delver and burn = control? Sorry, looked up the decklists, that deck is firmly aggro control, but far more on the agro side than control. Its location on the chart makes sense, its a tempo deck, and temp is a flavor of aggro.

>>54988642
Yes, they only can't make a card with the same mechanics. They can make a straight upgrade. It's only an issue if the card you wanted was already too strong to begin with. So it's a big issue when the reserved card is good for its format.

There goes my hope of ever collecting a copy. Fuck.

>>54989021
If you didn't own one buy now you were probably never going to get one, and then you'd use it like three times for "haha u guyrs r getting trolld xd" kitchen table shit before you realized it was too much trouble to even have in your deck and put away forever/straight into the trade binder.

>>54985102

You should just ignore everything in mtgtop8 for deck classifications because it's fucking terrible for that. Half of them aren't even aggro decks.

>>54989187
No, I'm collecting a bunch of cards with weird mechanics to frame up and hang on a wall. Stuff like Falling Comet, One With Nothing, Chaos Orb, etc. Shahrazad was one of the cards on the list.

Its a collectible card game, anon, you don't need to play all your cards.

>>54989298
I enjoy art.
I enjoy cards.
One I can enjoy for free.
The other takes all my money.

>>54989326
I mean, sure? Don't buy them, then, what's the problem?

>>54963721
>not triple sleeving your tokens to ensure their Mint condition
You disgust me.
I even triple sleeve 5 cent tokens just because I can (since outtersleeves always come in 50 sleeves packs).

>>54989541
>not having 10 tokens to keep, 10 to share and 10 to use
Found the plebian.

>>54989615
>Not having those 30 tokens triple sleeved and not bringing a separated Deck Box with all the triple sleeved Tokens

>>54989326
Pretty sure owning an art collection costs money m8. Even going to art museums isn't free.

>>54989667
>not having your own foil tokens made from blanked foil fetches

Fucking poorfags. Next your gonna tell me you don't have a box of 20 000 tokens in your car for when you go infinite in EDH.

>>54989831
> Not using Alpha Black Lotuses as your custom token's base card.
Poorfags are the scum in the Earth.

>>54989701
>Even going to art museums isn't free.
Uh?
What did he mean by this?

>>54989895
He means nothing is free.
Even Vietnamese Moot is owning me money for all the time I wasted in shitposting here.

>>54989963
Museums are free, dude.

>>54989979
>He thinks knowledge is free
Not all countries have free entrance Museums.

>>54990031
>Land of the FREE
You're right. Only the ones that count something do. :^)

>>54990097
>He thinks he's free.
Only until you give me a great suck.

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>>54990155
This so much. After I got my proxy Lilianas and put them in sleeves, I never went back.

>>54990155
>it's
Why are EFL so ignorant about their own language?

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>>54990155
Chinks always fighthign the good fight against Jews of the coast and Star of david Games

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>>54990576
The same reason you're kind have to be pretentious cocks. No wonder so many want you out of our countries.

>>54990611
pic

>>54990611
Fellow /pol/ack, care to enlighten me how kike'd Wizards/Magic is? Just got into the scene.

>>54990631
Lol no one wants to be American or British.

>>54990664
You say that, but the EU/UK is currently drowning in a wave of poor muslims that want in. You better believe they would come to the US that way too if it wasn't for our good friend the Atlantic ocean.

>>54989979
Just went too the Getty and can confirm it's free. Parking on the other hand...

>>54989893
But I alreay turned those into +1/+1 counters.

>>54967528
I think he mean's wizard's can't acknowledge the financial value of the single's otherwise the booster packs would be considered gambling.

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>>54990640
There's no kikery Goy, just Buy our lottery tick... er mean busted packs to see if you can open this super valuable hiper mega necesary reprint of eternal staples that we intentionally made 1 in a booster case ratio. but not because of making you waste more money, but to make you feel the fun of opening packs!!! you don't like standard? let me introduce you tor our master steal sets, sold at 10 dollars each pack and full of comet storm and lodestone golem rares.