/aosg/ Warhammer Age of Sigmar General

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>>54959826
First for Brayherds!

Death deserves to be spoiled more.

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>>54959838
So how do you do guys in GHB2?

>>54959892
Ungors went up to 100 points, great bray shaman points got lowered by 10, and the wildstalker battalion went up by 100 points. Also the new relics and abilites are pretty cool

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I'm a bit disappointed in how weak beastmangs are considering the size of the models. Gor are massive compared to marauders and other things that are of similar strength to them.

>>54960010
Well they do have the anrachy and mayhem ability so maybe that's why they aren't any different in strength to marauders. And they are fast

>>54959961
That sounds suspiciously like it involves effort.

Who's going to get this for their army? I know I am gonna get it pretty soon. I just need to finish painting my Dark Imperium box

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>>54960151
and I forgot the picture

>>54960143
Yes, it requires a little bit of effort!

>>54960010
How did you do this mud base effect?
>>54960151
I ain't buying shit stuffs to expensive currently.

>>54960202
Bleh, no thanks.

>>54960202
That *and* deal with all the stupid in-fighting endemic on sites like that? I'd rather saw of my own legs.

Why did they nerf deathless minions AND ruler of the night
Also wtf is with the ring of immortality change, does GW even play this game
Jesus christ

>>54960379
All grand alliance traits bar Order were nerfed heavily (and Order was already shit), so that's not really a surprise.
As for the other stuff, no idea.

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Any Khorne or Nighthaunt leaks?

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wtf is that on the back ?

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Any news on Moonclan?

>>54960432
The Rat Ogre is mindless. The brain rat is the one controlling it.

>>54960432
His brain, sorta.
The fuckers are strong but dumb as bricks, so the skaven decided to put a second rat in there, which is smarter, but also easier to order around.

>>54960425
From the twitch stream:

Bloodletters up to 110, but unit of 30 for 270
WoK Bloodthirster down 30(?) points
Bloodcrushers and flesh hounds unchanged

In the previous thread someone said bloodreavers and blood warriors had changed but didn't know the new cost. No idea if that's true or not.

Any Death leaks yet? Anything good for Deathrattle players?

>>54960521
>bloodreavers and blood warriors had changed
We know this for sure. It was revealed that their point costs were changed (they have this "sun" symbol in ghb2) but we don't know if they are buffed or nerfed

>>54960498
"they are able to wade through densely-packed enemies"
sounds kinda dangerous to me if the brain is open on the back ontop of his armor
but thanks anyway

I miss Slaanesh.

>>54960636
Getting gutpunched by the Gods of Light right now.

>>54960321
Considering there's barely anybody on the fantasy side that probably won't be a worry.

>>54960274
That's a shame.

Any Seraphon points leaks?

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>>54960636
You get a start collecting box - it's a good sign after a long while of exile

>>54959838
How does Skaven play in AoS?

>>54961092
Was not actually meant to respond to that, sorry.

>>54961092
Pretty well. I wouldn't say that any clan is super strong on its own but skryre has a punch and it's pretty easy to mix more than one clan in your army. I'm running a verminus clanrats spam with a single unit of rat ogors buffed by packmaster and skryre weapon team support

>>54961092
Swarmy like before but the Plague Skaven are pretty brutal in AoS especially with the leaked buffs. Also guns and ratling Ogres.

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>>54960432
Most people I know leave them off because they look dumb. They look cooler without them

>>54960564
In the heat of combat, its hard to notice something like that when the creature itself is wading its arms around wildly and butchering your allies. Never mind moving, hard to land a good hit.

Anybody knows which White Dwarf has the warscrolls for the Deathworld Scenery in Age of Sigmar?

>>54960465
Yeah, the whole garbage faction is being squatted

>>54961424
August 2017

>>54961434
Please no fake news

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>>54961450
Skirmish band

>>54961516
Damn those are looking awesome. Fair play going Brayherd though, but heard they got some little goodies this GH2.

>>54961445
Thanks I found the pages on the internet.

Do you know if Eldritch Ruins also had an warscroll? And the page number for the Shardwrack warscroll?

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>>54961564
Thanks -- yeah, looking forward to the goatmen making a triumphant return after all these years

>>54960432
>tfw too intelligent

>>54961450
So you don't deny they are garbage
Check Mate Atheists!

>>54961227
Aw I thought there was actually some cool trick to it.

>>54960432
Fucking horrifying.

What's a good "starter army" for AoS? Like one for learning how combat flow. I hear The GOLD MEN are meant to be a starter army but are kinda OP so I doubt thats a good way to learn.

>>54961602
Looks like only 40k got the Eldritch Ruins, and Shardwrack is on page 138.

>>54961882
Quick little add on, all the Eldritch Ruins do is give a +1 to Psychic and Deny The Witch so if the people you're playing with agree to it they could give the equivalent to magic in AoS

>>54961798
I don't think Stormcast are a starter army anymore, especially since they got their allegiance ability.

Slaves of Darkness are far better at that role.
They are clear, versatile and you don't have shortcuts for doing stuff.

>>54961704
Why do you hate Moonclans?

>>54961882
Thanks!
>>54961926
Eldritch Ruins has WH40K symbols so I understood why GW didn't make it an Age of Sigmar item.

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>>54961798
Seraphon or khorne deamons

>>54961972
Because Moonman and moonklan are raciss

>>54961972
Meme race for meme alliance
Honestly, the game would be much better without Destruction or Death. Just Order and Chaos, the only relevant factions

>>54962124
Skullmask Axeswing, Buff Knifepoint and Armspread Screamloud look pretty good.

>>54962124
They look too amazing to use them as bloodreavers in normal games. Probably gonna buy them stricte for skirmish

>>54962221
They will have their own rules in AoS.

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>>54959826
Soon

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Asked in last thread but going to try again: Are Chaos Chosen viable in a 1k Slaves to Darkness army?

PDF of General's Handbook 2017 when?

>>54962422
Ya

>>54959914
Don't forget free deadly terrain!

>>54962392
Right now, no because their points are too high and people target them asap.
GHB2 comes out soon so if they get a points reduction then they will be gud.

>>54962670
Thanks man. Their minis look brilliant so just wondered if they had any practical use besides me wanting to make and paint some.

>>54962681
They might be ok if you mark them tzeentch (reroll saves of 1) and keep them close to a shrine for that save as well.

I don't play tzeentch so mine fold like paper. Also they don't get shields like regular chaos warriors do. Warriors cost less and have more survivability

>>54962734
>fold like paper

Ouch! I mean I wouldn't have expected them to be mega heavy infantry tough but not go down like that. Even more surprised vanilla Warriors out tank them. Is it the shields?

>>54960810
Until we get models that do not look like hot dog shit it isn't enough.

>>54962748
Shields, you get 10 of them instead of 5, and your enemy will focus fire on the chosen before the warriors because they are more valuable.
Like they aren't TERRIBLE, but they aren't the best for the points (160 for 5, vs 180 for 10 warriors). They do good damage but die against people who know what they are.

Proxy them for a game and see how they go. If they work fine then buy some

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>>54962808
Good idea. Thanks man. Was going to make a small Chaos Skirmish warband then move on from there. Just love their look.

>160 for 5 vs 180 for 10

Yeah something seems fairly off there.

>>54960432
The best part of the model, that's what

Alright help me out /aosg/. I've been lost in doing Fate of Konor for the past 3 weeks, but my LGS is going to be doing a Path to Glory campaign which makes me want to go back to working on my AoS stuff.
Should I do my Brayherd, Dispossessed, or KO? I'm having a hard time picking.

>>54960161
Got it on pre-order as soon as I could. Can't wait to have my Bullgor Stampede up and running and a Cygor finally.

>>54963011
Dispossed, Beards for the Beard god

Man, even the USD prices for the ally boxes are ridiculous.

>>54963011
You should do a general fight to the death.
Take your Brayherd general and 1v1 him with your KO general.
Then the winner of that fights your dispossessed general.

Last man standing is your army.

>>54963885
This guy.... he's got some good ideas

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>>54963885
You know, that just might work, and even if it doesn't, now I'm curious.

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>>54964037
That's how I r8 my m8s.
You might want to let the lower points guys go first, or do best 2 of 3.
Also the older HQs like a Beastlord are weaker than newer guys.

Can someone point me towards the aelves leaks pls? i have scoured the last thread already and i didnt find em. thanks

>>54962422
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDC7wlrFelo

>>54960321
You say it like we wouldn't end up being the overwhelming majority.

>>54959914
Where the leaks at?

>>54964537
Are you serious their review is shit. It's like you can tell Mormon Matt was telling them "don't give it all away GW will be angry at us!!!", unlike based Winterseo who literally gives us film of the book

>>54964037
tell us who won Anon

Holy shit someone just leak the points adjustments already
It takes like 5 minutes to take pictures of the charts
REEEEEEEE

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Just measured the base of my Herdstone, it turns out that it is exactly 4" in diameter

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>>54967259
So I am in luck I guess

Also, here are some pictures of my Herdstone for those who are curious

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>>54967206
5 minutes and actually having the book.

>>54967259
Awesome!

I always liked the herdstone mechanic when Beastmen got it back in 8th. This iteration feels far less of a crutch and more of a fun little thematic bit. Which is all good in my opinion.

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>>54967439
I am just glad the beastie boys get some love at last.

Also pic related is my entire beastmen army, it's mostly old stuff from WHFB, but I have gotten some new stuff, like the bestigors to the right for example

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>>54967470
The 2nd part of the photo I took is of my Nurgle army, here it is for those interested in seeing it

>>54967575
>chaos warriors now availiable as five-man units
Best news of the day.

>>54967575
Do you have a picture of the new points for flesh eater courts?

>>54967575
Can you post Nurgle daemons and Rotbringers?

>>54967575
A 60 pts discount on Varanguard is pretty substantial and Warrior units starting at five rather then ten dudes is a nice quality-of-life change.

>>54967575
>that discount on max units of marauders
>warshrine price cut
if blood reavers did not get the rumored price increase then I have a great excuse to get more models

>>54967616
Now just wanting chaos and death allies and i'm ready to forge some fucking narrative

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>>54967575
>Deamonettes, one of the finest infantry in the game, got a price reduction

>move away from the horde shit that plagued whfb
>introduce it again as form of "balance" (which it isnt, if you make like everything cheaper the relative power stays the same)
>make sure to play with 150 models each game guys, give us them monies

>>54967685
>10 model army is waac
>200 model army is waac
>even 50 model army is waac

>>54967575
Post lizards or skaven!

>>54967575
Any freeguild/free peoples leaks?

please post the orc and golbins point!!

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>>54967834
Thanks anon.

>All this cost reductions and no increases
I don't like this.

>>54967864

(Cheap) battalions went up a heap.

Nurgle's work Anon! any rotbringer points?

>>54967901
That's a good thing.
Battalions are a huge advantage against faction without one.

>>54965932
Well, Winterseo's arrangement with GW is a lot more hands off than their arrangement with MWG. With Winterseo, GW probables sends him the books early and simply say make a video about. Because MWG is moderately successful business, there would be more legal and marketing meetings involved. As such they have far more restrictions on what they can, but this is counteracted by the fact that the have the largest war gaming audience on YouTube. At this point, I would not be surprised if MWG is charging GW an advertising fee seeing how many people their content reaches.

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That moment you realise the ironfist got a 100 p increase

>>54960432
A specially grown weak and submissive skaven, strapped to the back of a rat ogre in order to restrain its violent instincts just enough to enable it to use weaponry. Since the "brain skaven" just sits there, its body atrophies over time

...at least according to the WHFB fluffy

>>54967685
>what are beastclaw raiders

Soulblight points please my dear french friend

>>54967834
>Gordrakk - 80pts cheaper
>Megaboss on Mawcrusha - 60pts cheaper
Not bad.


>Ironguts, Leadbelchers, Ironblaster and Scraplauncher - 20pts reduction
>Ironguts - Gutbuster Battleline
Really nice. It's also worth considering to put together two ogor units for the 80 pts discount.

>>54967784
- Both morghast units 20 pts cheaper.
- Nagash 100 pts cheaper
- Mannfred and Neferata 40 pts cheaper
- Arkhan 20 pts cheaper
Interesting. Not exactly mindblowing, but there's useful stuff in there.

>>54967784
>can use neferata as an ally
Hmmmm

>>54968034
except for nagash
without a new warscroll he will be unusable in matched play...

>>54968070
Whys thay

>>54967834
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>>54967766
Do we have pictures of the order faction? This list seems to lack it.

>>54968079
>>54967823

That's all I've seen so far. Just posting from another site.

>>54960151
>>54960161
Considering that for my Khorne army. To start with as allies, but maybe later expand upon for a full-beastmen army.

>>54968089
Alright! That just means i'll have to wait a little bit longer before I know what to do with my armies. Thanks for posting what you found!

>>54968078
1. eight - or so - spells
2. no duplicate spells
3. fair - but totally underwhelming - summoning mechanic

I just can't think of any scenario he's useful in matched play

>>54968078
He's all about summoning and in matched play summoning is very restriced to the point of it being kinda useless outside very specific situations.
Outside of matched play he's stupidly broken, though. Before the GBH neutered summoning he'd effortlessly fart an army's worth of models onto the table every turn.

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>>54968109
if his special rule would say the +100% models don't cost reinforcement points it could be possible
but on the other hand it would break the point of whole reinforcement point mechanic (again)

what we need are "healing" abilities for death mages
just a little buff - like copying the banners - that would be enough
but summoning - no way it is possible to find a fair compromise...

>>54968109
Yeah I actually think Nagash is the main reason they neutered summoning to begin with.

I am absolutely baffled by the ring of immortality change
It was unuseable before when it auto went off because paying double the models points instead of taking another modle is retard tier, now it only works SOMETIMES as well?
Can someone please help me see what the point of this item is

>>54968143
do you have leaks?

>>54968140
What Death needs is a reinforce-summon like how flesh-eater courts does it. That'd still make it very necromancer focused, but it would also let you skirt around the whole reinforcement point debacle.

>>54968150
that's what i said

>>54968150
Summoning should have two options
Summoning a new unit with reserve points like it works now, or targeting a existing unit and it restores models
Boom summoning is worth it again

>>54968166
Yeah I agree. Tzeentch kind of does this already (with their bolt of change stuff, which either summons a 'new' Tzaangor unit, or reinforces a nearby one)

So it shouldn't be hard to fix, considering death hasn't had a big physical release.

But i'm assuming this will be fixed whenever deathrattle gets a dome, since they're rather conspicuous in their absence from getting allegiance abilities in death.

>>54968153
Yeah I misread, sorry.

Lol dan is on the newest warhammer tv video
He literally lives down the street from me

>>54968225
Take a selfie with him (time stamp included), or else you are a lying faggot

>>54967827
They nerfed thunderers far to hard. FAR to hard.

They made it so they can only take one of each weapon, they reduced the mortar range from 30 to 12, and they increased their point cost from 100 to 140. There is no way they are worth 140 points for what you get now.

we need a complete leak

>>54968268
Very strange they made them cost MORE after BTFOing them
Very strange indeed

>>54968296
I guess that means when nobody buys them or uses them anymore, we'll see a points drop or them removing the 1 weapon restriction for GH3

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>>54967766
>Blood warriors and bloodreavers cost is not increased
>They are even cheaper in bulk
Oh boi

>>54968274
Go soil your own pants, pervert.

>>54968351
i can't. daddy put me in diapers.

>>54968268
The mortar nerf was needed. Everything else is just overkill.

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AGE OF SHITMAR IS FUCKING SHIT

STOP BUYING AGE OF FUCKING SHITMAR

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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What the fuck is up with the nerfing of Kharadron? Last I checked they weren't exactly some godly force that was effortlesly squishing all opposition.

>>54968429
Nerfing it to 12" just made it utterly useless though. It's just a worse Aethercannon now.

>>54968443
1. aether khemist stacking was cancer
2. the kit only came with 1 of each weapon so it felt like a classic GW cashgrab
3. 36" mortars doing d3 damage was cancer

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>>54968434

>a mortar with the range of a pistol
ah yes, dwarven craftsmenship

>>54968443

Those are some pathetically short range guns. How do they expect to actually shoot more than once before getting charged?

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I want nighthaunt and swifthawk agents leaks so much. Do we have anything about them?

>>54968505
Everything about the nighthaunt but their points has leaked

>>54967809
I really hope liberators are the same cost as warriors

I would honestly love to throw 30 liberators on the table for under 500

>>54968522
Really? Where? I can't find their allegiance abilities full leak anywhere

>>54968462
Don't blame them.
There is not much oxygen up there.

>>54968429
Mortars were only powerful when spammed, or buffed by a Khemist.

Removing the ability to do either of those things was more than enough to bring them into balance, they didn't have to make them unspammable, kill the Khemist buff and then reduce their range and increase their points.

140 points for a unit of 5 single wound models, that can only shoot 12 inches is far to much.

>>54968582
Good thing they're the only faction in the game with transports then

>>54968443
>some godly force
Ten mortars with two chemists and the right Skyport was exactly that.

>>54968622
Getting in range isn't the issue. The issue is they will not be able to do enough damage to kill everything in range before they can get charged.

>>54967776
why are battalions so much more expensive now

>>54968454
And now the unit is damn-near useless and got more expensive on top of it.

There is no reason to pick Thunderers over just another unit of Arkanauts now. They're over half the price, can do decent damage, stack well with a Khemist and can actually handle themselves in the combat phase.

I suppose you could still spam Aethershot rifles, since those still stack with a Khemist, but you're still paying 280 points for a unit who's only advantage over a 120 point Arkanaut unit is a +1 to hit and -1 rend.

Shit, with the Arkanauts being able to take 3 light skyhooks for every 10, they even have the edge in firepower.

>>54968673
maybe lets play the game before jumping to conclusions and shitposting on 4chan

>>54968633
Keep your Distance is a thing, and so are cheap Arkanaut Company you can throw under the bus.
That being said, any gun other than the basic rifle isn't exactly amazing now.

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>>54967470
>Wow pretty nice ano-
into the trash it goes.

>>54968708
I only own 1 stormcast. And that one I got from the Get Started magazine that included a single stormcast

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>>54967470
>square bases

>>54967809
>Slaanesh can ally with ugly fat-ass nurgle
>Cant ally with tzeentch except for Slaves to darkness

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>>54968708
EVERYTHING, ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING ABOUT AOS IS ABSOLUTE HORSE SHIT!!!!!!

NOT JUST THE STORMKEK ETURNULS

NOT JUST THE ABSOLUTELY SICKENING 40K VIBE IT BRINGS

ALL OF IT

IT*S ALL FUCKING SHIT

STOP BUYING THIS FUCKING SHIT, STOP FUNDING IT, BRING BACK FUCKING FANTASY

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54968468
They don't. They have a rule that lets them walk out of combat instead of attacking. That rule still seems to be intact.

>>54968781
Actually AoS btfos WHFB and 40k imo

>>54968747
1 Stormcast can turn an image of your high testosterone beastmen army into limp wristed faggotry.

Nice painting though. Blight kings and the Giant look awesome.

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>>54968781
>STOP FUNDING IT
Its too late

>>54967864
>>All this cost reductions and no increases
>I don't like this.

Bloodreavers went up from 60pts for 10, to 70pts for 10, Bloodletters went up by 10pts, etc.

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>Nagash down 100 pts

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>>54967262
>>54967270

Just some constructive criticism.
Looks like a normal rock.
Therefore, id put some glowing runes/symbols on it to make it fancy and seem magical. It will stand out more.
You can either just paint it on, or do OSL coming from INSIDE those cracks.

I only suggest this because looking at the torch/fire on the base, you seem to know how to do it already. Id use a green glow because you have a nurgle army.

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How big is the max unit price reduction? Are we talking huge or just tweaks here and there? I hope 1k points is still viable.

Also in GHB how do you calculate adding more members before reaching max size?

>>54968866
Thanks for the input. I have had the idea of painting the runes green, but I didn't do it becuase I wasn't 100% sure on how to do it. I didn't want to ruin the Herdstone if I did it wrong.

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>>54968915
Are you perhaps blind?

>>54968915
>I cannot read this thread, please spoonfeed me

>>54968969
No, just retarded.

>>54968978
See above. My bad.

>>54968866
I'd say non-glowy-fancy herdstone looks way better. These things are supposed to be shit-smeared, blood-encrusted monoliths, not some elaborate elven tower. The less magical and the more filthy it looks, the better.

>>54968698
Keep your distance only works when it is YOUR turn to attack. As they will be the ones charging you, they will be attacking before you get to use it. The only way you will be able to make back your 140 points before being killed, is if your enemy actively lets you do it.

>>54969041
why are we playing a game of one unit vs one unit

So I've got a decent sized Legion of Azgorh collection, I haven't seen much news on FW updating this stuff along with GH17.

So standard wait a while after GW release?

Also considering picking up Shar'tor to pay a bull centaur list.

>>54967949
Yeah... this is bullshit.
Where are all the beastclaw and fucking stormcast nerfs. You know, the dudes WINNING everything?
Ironjawz got fucking shit on.

>>54969184
>havent seen stormcast points yet
>REEEEEEEEEEEE STORMCAST

You are such a moron

I wish that the GW ghouls wasn't such a terrible representation of deranged canibal humans.

>>54968820
>anyone who bought gw stock during the crash is now furiously maaturbating

>>54969198
Then prove me wrong fuckstain.
Where are the nerfs to the factions that fucking needed it

>>54969287
No one cant prove you wrong as we havent even seen the points yet. As he said in his post.

>>54969113
Because it is actually difficult to get some arkanauts to screen them at such a short range without dedicating half your armies points to transports, which is a rather inefficient way to play, since you will be keeping at least 500 points of models in close formation just to potentially be useful.

The thunderers strength before was that they could happily work without protection, since they either had long enough range due to the mortars, or they had more than enough damage thanks to Aether-cannons, so they had a good chance of surviving after firing once.

>>54969342
And now you need to shoot at shit engaged by Arkanaut Company and get a bunch of rerolls in the process. It's hardly ideal, but it still works.
The price increase is stupid, though.

>>54969287
Skyfires are 200 pts now
Thats all I know

>>54969031
The herdstone axe is said to glow with sickly light. So its possible.

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>>54961258
I would put a chunk of warp stone were the rat would be. Still not sure what load out I use. All guns or flamers. Trying to make hoard army with range. The only-thing I want to add extra is Hell Shrek Rockets, Bestgores (awesome conversion) and Ungor raiders (converting to goat chicks). Maybe Chaos wizard and Infernal guard with guns.

I'm going to be making rounded movement trays for my hoard Skaven army. What would the the optimal size. 5-8-10-20? Its to help speed up the game.

When is the GHB2 to be released in stores officially?

>>54969418
saturday

this is something you could have easily learned through a google search

>>54969441
I've been browsing for GH2 info all last night, it slipped past me. But thanks anyway. Shame I got to wait another week.

>>54969388
I think the balance change that has made me the maddest isn't the fact Thunderers got nerfed then amde more expensive, but the fact they demonstrated they are happy to change the point cost of units in a recent book, and left the Gunhauler at 220 points despite it clearly being overcosted.

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So what are the consequences of max unit sizes seeing a points reduction across the board? Some seem more or less than others, from 10 points to 60 points. Could this serve to be beneficial long term or do you think this may have negative consequences like 7th/8th ed WHFB?

I personally think it won't have too much of a detriment besides being able to have more units in armies as in contrast to Fantasy, it only comes at a point reduction than in-game benefits.

>>54969534
For large swathes of the units in game it won't matter, because 1" weapons and 30 models don't mix. A few units with spears that like to horde it up, gobbos and skeletons mostly, will benefit from it, beyond that it's kinda irrelevant.
If my opponent puts 30 liberators on the table I thank him for investing around a quarter of his points into one unit that is utterly mediocre.

Orruks any good?

I've got a friend who is willing to give/ sell me his 10 orruk brute, 10 boar boyz 20 black orcs and megaboss army for just fifty europoors since he can no longer store them and doesn't have time to play.

>>54969596
Ironjawz are fun to play. Megaboss, arboyza and brutes will be handy for ironfist battalion

>>54969375
Tricky part is going to be getting them there. You're either going to have to sink points into another frigate or shell out for an Ironclad. Which is yet more points on top of their point increase.

>>54969479
Yeah, if they'd knocked the Gunhauler back to about 180 point-ish I'd be a little less grumbly.

>>54969479
Consider the following:
The ships were fairly priced. They only seemed overcosted because the most cost effecient answer was always more mortar thunderers.

>>54969534
>So what are the consequences of max unit sizes seeing a points reduction across the board?
Hordes are very good against mortal wounds. Doing 6 mortal wounds to a squad of 40 skeletons is far less impactful than doing

AOS has always been designed in a rock-paper-scissors format with Elite, Horde, and Mortal Wounds.

Elites beat Hordes
Hordes beat Mortal Wounds
Mortal Wounds beat elites

The problem was that Hordes weren't worth running because of the battleline system requiring multiple units.With Massive Regiments we should see Hordes come into the meta, which will weaken lists that rely on doing Mortal Wounds (some stormcast, tzeentch, beastclaw).

This will make anti-Horde units like Drycha, Stegadon, and Decimators more valuable and worth bringing to games in case you face a horde unit.

So the impact will be a total change in the metagame - a shift away from heavy mortal wound spam lists because hordes counter them too easily.

I would be worried that hordes could become the new meta if counters didn't already exist in the game.

>>54969596
Well just the brutes alone are worth 50 eurobucks so I say pull the trigger. Ironjawz just got a huge fuck you in the form of a MUCH weaker rampaging destroyers, and more expensive iron fist (both of which you need, as the army is slow as fuck and has literally 1 ranged attack)

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Any cheap alternative models for pic related? I want to run two Banshee and two Wraiths but don't want to end up with clone heroes

>>54969801
Order the banshees from the mortis engine on ebay.

>>54969663
You need to be dense to think the gunhauler is fairly priced.
They could at least change it so you can use bombs when you charge, and not just when the enemy charges you, then it will be worth using at 220 points.

Abhorrent Ghoul King on Terrorgheist or Zombie Dragon?

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>>54969801
You can kitbash a lot of cool stuff with some bits.

>>54969896
Where's the body from?

Any points leaked for skaven or seraphon?

>>54969912
The torso is from a Mantic ghoul plastic sprue.

>>54969811
Ebay is not a thing in my country - I would pay 6x more for the shipping than banshees themselves. Anyways I will probably buy a Malignants start collecting so problem solved - I didn't even notice that I can use the Mortis Engine Banshees
>>54969896
That looks cool but I'm a skaven player so I don't really have any non-rat bits desu

>>54969663
The Gunhauler is only 60 points less than a frigate, but has less wounds, less firepower, no endrinrigger, can't All Hands to the Guns and can't transport units.

It's purpose in the game is to be a fast moving gunboat pulling double duty as ablative wounds to a frigate, but given its price you're better off just getting another frigate. It does every job of the gunhauler, except better.

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Lord Kroak 540->450

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>>54970046
Care to post the Destruction points friend?

>>54970046
>>54970070
And Sylvaneth if they're available, please!

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>>54970087

Have the points pages for Dispossessed, Freeguild and Swifthawk Agents been photographed yet?

>>54970135

See >>54970129

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Bretonnia is still in the general's handbook 2017?

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This is Neave Blacktalon. Say something nice about her!

>>54970046
Yeah boy, my 1000 points list went down to 990.
That's the good stuff.

>>54970161
She would make nice central character of Asanagi doujin

>>54970167
>10 points less

What?

>>54970161
That looks surprisingly good. At this point I'd rather the Stormcast didn't wear helmets full stop.

>>54970129
Dude skaven please, I would love you so much

>>54970161
best female head to come out of GW in years

>>54970153
Nope. Compendium point costs aren't there.

>>54970233
So this is it eh, the final squatting

>>54970161
Is painting stormcasts a bitch? Seems like it would eat into your gold reserves so much.

>>54970197
Skinks went down, Knights went down, Troglodon went down, but the sunclaw starhost went up up up.

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Lierally start collecting nurgle daemons + stupid sexy snail

>>54970206
looks more cute than evil

>>54970206
>Eyyyyy I'll suk ur dick for a plague
>huehuehuehue infront
>Please kill me the slug man

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>>54970233
Why?

>>54970129
>elf fags get blown out
Perfection.

>>54970206
I need this model.
I hope it gets rules in 40k.

>>54970206
Looks like some kind of twisted version of Alice in Wonderland.

>>54970129
Any chance for stormcast? I know, hurr durr samecast, but I wonder what changed.

>>54970206
im curious, because the rumor engine pictures of this thing look like finecast

>>54970161
>helmet option
Nice. I mean, her head is actually really good, but I won't start having helmetless models in my army just now.

>>54970206
I love how chill he looks. Also, he's wielding giant pruning shears. That's awesome.

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>>54970129
Please post Moonclan kind anon

>>54970331
Because the test run models are always printed/resin casts. Always.

>>54970129
I think those are fair changes. Near enough everything is cheaper except for Kurnoth Hunters.

If you have dispossessed and the Ironweld arsenal that would be great.

>>54970331
Most of the rumor bits are resin because the test run models are all mde from that.

>>54970335
The meme which started in /tg/ about Nurgle being chill seems to have become full canon at this point. Including for many of his followers.

>>54970129
I'm probably the one Aelf plyer not raging at you. Got my book preordered, guess I'll have to be patient. :P Glad to see my other army of Slaanesh is doing good in the points run around!

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>>54970268
It's like pottery

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>>54970161
Shes cute! Cuuuute!

>>54970046
razordons -20 (33%)
salamanders -20 (33%)
Skinks -20 (25%)
Bastiladon -20 (~7%)
Stegadon -20 (~8%)
Troglodon -20 (10%)
Kroak -90 (~17%)
Oldblood +20 (20%)
Skink Priest -20 (20%)
Starpriest -20 (20%)
Engine of the Gods -20 (~8%)
Oldblood on Carnosaur -40 (12.5%)
Scar Veteran on Carnosaur -20 (~8%)
Kroxigor -20 (~11%)
Saurus Knights
Terradons -20 (~14%)

Everything makes sense except that Ripperdactyls are at 140 because Terradons are strictly better.
Need to see the Slann allegiance bonuses, but it seems wrong that he is still at 260

Battalions:
Bloodclaw +100 (100%)
Eternal Starhost +50 (62.5%)
Firelance Starhost +50 (83%)
Heavenswatch +100 (100%)
Shadowstrike +50 (42%)
Starbeast (who cares, this is total crap)
Sunclaw +50 (62.5%)
Thunderquake +50 (42%)

Bloodclaw will be much stronger with changes to all the Saurus point costs
Eternal Starhost might not be a meme trap any more since hordes are going to be in the meta.
Thunderquake will be cheaper and stronger than before. The 50 points more for the battalion is more than reconciled by the reductions to bastiladons, stegadons, razordons, salamanders, kroxigors, etc.

>>54970349
>>54970129
Thanks! But it's weird that there are no batallion costs there. I'd like to see how much more gnarlroot costs.

>>54970161
>dual wielding axes
Fuck yes

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>In addition to warscroll battalions, there are warscrolls for two brand new characters and new allegiance abilities for Nurgle armies. If you’re a Nurgle player, these new mechanics are a fun, thematic and powerful bonus to your force – as you fight, Nurgle’s endless cycle of renewal and decay will grind on with powerful effects.
That's neat as fuck

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>>54970206
bait.jpg

>>54970245
>>54970282
They already said they will be putting compendium units in a pdf on the website in the future

>>54969607
>Ironjawz are fun to play. Megaboss, arboyza and brutes will be handy for ironfist battalion

Alright, I'll make the call then.

>>54969674
Yeah, but I've never played Age of Sigmar/ WHFB before, I only have a small old Necron army. Mainly played other games like X-Wing and Infinity. I got the feeling it's really cheap (close friend discount, he wants them to go to use) but if I was never going to use them, why waste 50 europoors?

>>54970363
>multiple by ShindoL
>multiple by Asanagi
>multiple by Hirame
>barely anything by anybody else
I'd much rather go for "one of each"

>>54970129
So now spite revenants are conditional battleline? Good to know, even if they probably require Drycha as a general.

>>54970308
Are you me? That was my first thought

>>54970363
>Its all normie shit doujin makers
Really makes me think

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Building a nurgle daemons army gonna be even easier. What a great time to be a newbie

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>>54970412
Problem?

>>54970161

like the model, like the helmet but also like the hair, not a fan of the face though


qouls it be possible to maybe fuse both... Maybe i could cut the back of the helmet to make it look like there is space at the back to let the hair flow...

Hmmm Please let there be single clampacks for these guys in the near future.

>>54970405
Oh, nice, I totally missed that. Considering our wealth of multiwound models that's a really good bonus even if it happens only every other turn or so.

>>54970390

List is probably incomplete

>>54970510
I read Alice a fair while ago anon, in some ways its better than the Disney but damn that imagery goes whack very fast. Little girl travelling Realm of Chaos RPG when?!

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I keep hearing there is a fourth faction called Death, is this true? I've not seen anything on em.

>>54970521
>asanagi
>normie shit
if they've done anything tagged snuff it's not normie

>>54970206
Is that a giant ass pair of shears on his back?

>>54970427
If you want to buy Ironjawz that is an easy 1000 points right there. It's a ridiculously good deal.
I'm just warning you they got the nerf bat, hard, for no reason.
I say this as an Ironjawz player myself

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>>54970206
I'm gonna paint this fucker light blue like the Alice's dress and the snail itself also blue as Absolem, the Caterpillar refference

>>54970553
Shave of the back of the helmet and the front of the head and glue them together so it looks more like a mask rather than a helmet.

>>54970604
DONT LOSE YOUR WAYYYYYYYYYY

>>54970626
They got a nerf bat but they weren't completely gimped surely? Also point reduction.

>>54970576
Wasn't that a story in WHFB? A little girl managed to find herself lost in Tzeentch impossible labyrinth and actually managed to get out?

>>54970626
>ironjawz got nerfed
How?

>>54970689

40k daemon codex

>>54970689
Yeah. She even had a little dog. Was a play on the Wizard of Oz and how little children's vivid imagination allows them to just see the Realm of Chaos as one of those fairy tale adventures.

But I'd love a more fleshed out concept. If Oz was Tzeentchian, I'd love to see what Wonderland was.

>the lion, scarecrow and Tinmen were all Tzeentchian daemons accompanying her
>the giant headed Wizard was in fact the giant mouth daemon at the gate

>>54970695

their best formation got a 100p increase. Other than that they actually got better.

Some people just think that because the op shit is gone the army is trash tier.

Still looking for:

1. Stormcast points
2. Seraphon battalions
3. Seraphon allegiance abilities

>>54970727
Everyones formations went up 100 pts

>>54959826
Where are the leaks being posted?

>>54970727
Every battalion increased significantly. Even shit tier seraphon battalions are more at least 50% more expensive.

Ironfist was undercosted, everyone knew that

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So if blightwar is basically just a nurgle SC with a new dude, against a fuck load of SCE, that must mean one of three things:
1. New nurgle dude is stupid good
2. New nurgle abilities are stupid good
3. They purposely give the heros an advantage (unlikely this time)

Now are we going to get a nurgle battletome in September or is this the closest we'll get?

>>54970233
What? The Tomb Kings were leaked on the Warhammer Community page a while ago.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/07/the-generals-handbook-ii-wip-points-sneak-peek/

>>54970695
Rampaging Destroyers got weakened considerably, and the Ironjawz' Mighty Destroyers is an exact copy of that.
That being said, we also get Smashing & Bashing (instantly pile in and attack with a unit if you destroyed an enemy unit in melee) and Eager for Battle (+1 on all charges) in addition to that, so it's not all bad. Also, some fun relics and command traits.

>>54970759
>Now are we going to get a nurgle battletome in September or is this the closest we'll get?
Nurgle allegiance abilities are in the blightwar box
>In addition to warscroll battalions, there are warscrolls for two brand new characters and new allegiance abilities for Nurgle armies

>>54970759
1. The article says that it has the nurgle allegiance abilities
2. Starter boxes have never been balanced, nor have they intended to be balanced

>Now are we going to get a nurgle battletome in September
Almost definitely

Death Guard will be coming after AOS nurgle and they won't delay that much longer

>>54970770
These were experimantal rules. Maybe GW just dropped them?

>>54970782
That doesn't answer the question. Are we going to get a tome with mortals, daemons, and rotbtingers?

>>54970776
RD nerf was a Destruction nerf, not an Ironjawz nerf

It's also a mistake to view Ironjawz in a vacuum. Power is relative to the metagame and the current metagame is being thrown out the window with all the massive changes to the game systems.

It's better to think of AOS in GHB17 as a sequel to the previous game.

>>54970806
No.

>>54970737
Some not all.
I was contemplating a Tzeentch-StD army and for some reason all the Mortal Warbands from Everchosen got a 20 point reduction.
This together army wide discounts/better value is really tempting me.

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>>54970793
>SM get codex before anything else
>imperium absolutely ruling the campaign
>Mortarion finally teased
>not released till after campaign
I thought this was supposed to be a DG vs SM campaign.

>>54970589
Only a normie would think that.

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>Have 2000pts of mixed skaven
>Wanted to build a Khorne or Nighthaunt warband
>Now the new starter set is revealed
Fuck, I alwayes wanted to build a nurgle daemons army but other options were cheaper and more handy. SC box and starter set gonna make a 1000pts list easily but I have enough money only for one project. Fuuug

>>54970743
Nowhere.
One faggot posted 4 pages about Beastmen and darted off never to be seen again.

>>54970576
Writing on drugs does that to you.
Also
just out Draigo in a little dress. GW is two steps ahead brah

>>54970885
Draigo stinks man. I much prefer the little girl than Kaldor Draigo and his intense plot armour.

>tfw hyped to play some aos with my bros when the gh17 comes out but I'll have to wait as they didn't put my army in the book
Feels sad bros

>>54970649
Point reduction only makes Mawcrusha worth consideration now, I think he is still overpriced.
Also Gore gruntas still suck, point reduction or not. Once again the thing is you NEED the ironfist to make up for the SLOW AS BALLS speed of your infantry. You also needed rampaging destroyer. One is now nerfed to uselessness, and the other got 100 points more expensive.

>>54970727
Nerfed does not mean trash tier you cunt

Anyone got the Dispossessed shit?

>>54970743
https://imgur.com/user/ravik87/submitted
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2333

>>54971056
Destruction please anon

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So clanrats still cost 60 points but you have to take min. 20 of them per unit?

>>54970129
>OP Kurnoth Hunters got a points bump
>Dryads got cheaper
>Revenants aren't ridiculously overcosted anymore, just slightly overcosted

>>54971021
Yay, Skryre Battalion only 100 points now...wait...fuck.

Well at least my warpflamers got 10 points more expensive...

>>54971077
These are from the imgur link, not from him.
Only Order and Chaos seem to have been leaked.

>>54971091
Yes. 180 points for battle line, and that's it, was too little.
Also, now you can buy buy more more rat shits.

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>>54970412

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>>54971091
Yes.

>>54971091
>storm vermin are now battle line for verminus armies
holy shit

>>54970268
If this is priced the same as other starter sets, it'll be a fantastic deal.
If it's priced the way I fear it's priced, it'll be painful for our wallets.

>>54971116
I love this thread sometimes

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>>54970420
Really anon... really?

>>54970206
>The Grand Cultivator is literally a Farmer

I don't even like Nurgle, but this is awesome.

>The plow, the bone in the mouth like a stalk of wheat, this sense of lazyness
10/10

>>54971134
>Packmaster 80 (+20)
>Giant rats 60 min. 10 (+30 - was 30 for min. 6)
>Rat ogors now fuckin battleline
>Rat swarms -20
Noice I think. Shame I have only 4 rat ogors

>>54971134
So my 2000 points skryre army now is *calculating* 2150 points.

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None of these prices are new when compared to the warscroll builder.

>>54971134
>warpfire thrower is now 70 points
Fuck, I have to rebuild my whole list now