Who would win?

>>54952917
>Animu Waifu vs. Giant man with Capeshit tier power levels and access to OP plz nerf future tech
Who do you think smartass?

>>54952942
Altria.

>>54952942
Nobody?

>>54952947
>Arturia
FTFY now go back to /fgog/

>>54952917
they both sit down, have a cup of tea and having a discussion which shade of blue is the best.

>Arturia
>King
>Servant
Hold up, what the fuck.

goku would win

They both discuss the finer points of administration and logistics, and how to keep a stable government and happy citizens during wartime.

>>54952968
It's Japan. They don't understand what they're doing, they just throw English and German words together because it sounds cool to dweebs.

>>54952968
>>54952989
She's a servant, what's hard to understand about that?

>>54952989
They're also incredibly racist. They made Zhuge Liang a white man, which pissed off their Chinese customers. Nasu and that other guy didn't give a fuck.

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>>54952989
>Vogelchevalier

>>54952989
I guess that's it.
I wonder if the average western weab lapping that shit up is more or less retarded than japanese otakus who have no links at all to such things?

>>54952968
fgo is all about edgy teens raising old mythical kings/rules as their servant to battle.
also, they have to sustain the raised servants using sex.

>>54952968
Its a Thai cartoon about teenagers using legendary kings to fight each other over a golden cup. Its pretty much pokemon except instead of animals you fight with sexy ancient kings and queens.

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>>54952917
They aren't the same?

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Can we dispense with the dumb deathbattles shit and just have a Nasuverse thread?
>>54953015
Most of them don't seem to care. The few whining chinks I've seen are more upset about Jing Ke being in the game at all.
That's not even Zhuge Liang's body anyway.

>>54952986
So Guilliman just lectures to saber? Saber was a garbage king in pretty much every respect, Guilliman may not have been the best people person but his realm never collapsed and his followers never betrayed him en mass.

>>54953024
Japies at least have the excuse of not understanding the language well.

>>54953056
>he actually believed the shit in the Banquet of Kings

>>54953052
This was two years ago. Also don't use racist words on boards that aren't /b/, you can get banned for it! Don't you read the rules?

>>54953052
Nasu is shit, let's have a 40k thread instead.

>>54952917

Arturia, hands down.

Don't get me wrong, Guilliman is no slouch. But Arturia is loaded up with magic upon magic. And its not warp magic either, so literally any 40k 'anti magic' counter he could think to bring would be ineffective, because its an entirely different type of magic.

Not only is her armor magical in nature, but her supernatural Luck (as a defined stat, no less) is such that it let her survive an attack whose text reads "Strike the opponent in the heart with 100% accuracy" by making that attack MISS.

Shit, if she has Avalon then she even regenerates wounds on her own. And multiple servants, saber included, show no problem dodging gunfire or batting projectiles out of the air with their weapons, so I'd really be surprised if bolters were any good against her.

If it was purely a question of skill in terms of who is the better swordsman, I'm not sure which way it would go. But I am much more confident that Excalibur can cut through mundane powerarmor than I am sure that power weapons will fare well against armor that is literally made out of fairy magic.

And then there is the fact that Arturia's Noble Phantasm, if she feels she has to use it, is an area attack that in Fate/Zero wipes what is essentially a Biotitan off the map. Its power classification is 'Anti-Fortress', as opposed to anti-person or anti-army. I really doubt that Guilliman survives that.

>>54953086
Bobby G's been spending an awful amount of time with that Eldar witch who's following a clear Slaanesh avatar... Kind of makes me wonder

>>54953099
>Fulgrim used psychic powers to switch minds with Guilliman and stabbed himself so he would end up in stasis and could eventually help lead humanity and the eldar into Slaanesh's service
9 dimensional chess

>>54953119
Wait, Fulgrim? I thought G's fight was with Alpharius?

>>54953096
g money doesn't have a mundane power weapon, though

>>54953136
compared to animu magic it is hun

>>54953130
Nope. Guilliman killed Alpharius and later Fulgrim and Guilliman fought with Fulgrim poisoning Guilliman forcing him to be put in stasis

>>54953119
Better plot then gw /10

>>54953119
Literally the plot of Bible Black

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>>54953086
As of right now there are fourteen other 40k threads on the board, one of which is a general.

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>>54953150
I'm not sure why one magic sword is more magical than another magic sword because it's from a korean slave painting, but whatever.

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>>54953184
Please don't post such an ugly picture of my wife.

>>54953198
Your taste in waifus is shit. SHIT. She literally has autism, you fucking rapist

>>54952968

In the context of the story, mythical heroes are summoned as magical spirits classified as 'Servants' in a war for a magical wish granting artifact. Lots of Kings get summoned as Servants during the wars. Hell, in one case three different Kings get summoned fur the same battle, and during downtime sit down and drink wine to discuss the finer points of kingship.

Gilgamesh considers Kingship to be something that is just yours. He was Born the King of the World. Its not something you get to decide for yourself, its just something you occasionally have to enforce when stupid people challenge you on the topic.

Iskander (Alexander) the Great considers Kingship to be about proving yourself the best and taking everyone's stuff. People follow him because they want to be him, to share in his glory and his rewards. If he wasn't the best, someone else would be king. So to maintain kingship, you have to always be proving yourself superior.

Arturia considers kingship to be a burden. She wasn't born king, it was something that was bestowed upon her with a mantel of responsibility. Being king means being responsible for the well-being of your kingdom and its people, and you are obligated to make any sacrifice necessary to benefit your kingdom.

Gil and Iskander tell her she has the concept of rulership all backwards, that it is the duty of the people to serve the king, and not the kings duty to serve the people. They don't understand her viewpoint at all, or that it makes her the best king out of all of them.

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>>54953208
I have autism too, it's a perfect match.

>>54953179
>>54953198
I fucking hate Japan.
Two nukes weren't enough, should've gone for the complete genocide. Stupid Americans.

>>54953212
>she
>her
>King

>>54953212
you forgot the they are sustained by the summoner's cum part.

>>54952917
Roboute Guilliman would turn her inside out before she can even blink

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>>54953220
Altria was a king. And Mordred was a cute boy (girl)

>>54952917

The greatest question is what happen if Arthuria Saber become Guilliam's Servant?

>>54953215
You can't judge an entire country based on the actions of two deranged men, anon. That's like saying we should bomb the States for its current administration. Go home and think about what you just said.

>>54953241
At this point I'm not sure I'd mind much the US bombing itself. Let's do it. It'll be fun.

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>>54953198
give me your mana, protagonist-kun

>>54953250
Don't say that either. Enjoy being on a watch list, lefty /pol/.

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>>54953239
Something something Spiritual Liege

>>54953153
Dorn killed Alpharius.

>>54953212

Oh, I also realizied that if you don't know enough about Fate to know what a Servant, is, the Arturia bit is probably throwing you too.

IC: Arturia (a girl) pulled the sword from the stone and thus was pronounced King. Not Quenn, but King, because under Briton law at the time the King had powers and authority that the Queen did not (like the ability to declare war). So despite the fact that she was a woman, her title was King because that's the way it works.

Arturia took her job super seriously, and felt she was supposed to dress as a man to fulfill her role as King. It also doesn't help that, as King, most of the peasantry didn't really see her up close.

History remembered her as 'King Arturia', which later scholars assumed was a mistake of translation and rewrote as King Arthur, because it made more sense to their preconceptions. Thus resulting in the version of the legend known to modern day.

OOC: The original VN was written with a female protag and a male King Arthur. The execs came in later and said 'make the protag a dude, because money' and Nasu threw a fit because his story as written needed King Arthur in play and he had already written out this romance and shit. So he just genderswapped the two characters and kept the rest of the story intact.

>>54953220
I don't remember the deal exactly, but if my memory is close it goes along the lines that everyone pretended Arturia was male (most people would only have seen her from a distance anyway) so she could take the throne as a "male heir". Going along with the deception was one of the burdens of kingship she had to bear.

>>54953096
I'd say G-Man would kick her ass sideways except for that phantasm.
Kono phantasm would probably be the trump card which ends the fight.

>>54953177
>plot
What the fuck?

>>54953292
Or it was some guy Alpharius made a switch with, as usual. GW has been teasing the Alpharius meme so much that the real Alpharius might be the friends we made along the way.

>>54953275
I'm already on a bunch of watch lists, it's not bad.

>>54953314
No, really. Kitami switches bodies with Imari, and masquerades as her but it was all planned by Aleister Crowley, who wanted a dupe to lead people into worshipping the devil.

I am not making this up.

>>54953299
>Genderswap
>Why the protagonist is a little bitch
It All Makes Sense Now

>>54953314
>>54953342
Don't listen, it's just porn, it doesn't have a plot.

>>54953342
>Names
What The Fuck tho.

Srs unless you draw a plotmap using tits as a point of reference I got nothing.

>>54953356
so is fsn

>>54953299
Her becoming was all part of a prophecy, anyway - she was born to royalty and was the genuine heir to the throne anyway. Everyone fussed about the fact she was not actually male but it turns out prophecy don't give a shit, that kid's gonna be king! Then by a combination of selective blindness and possibly literal magical influence when she does become king, as long as she fulfils the role set out for her as prophesied, nobody can contest it, or notice that she's not quite got the traditional kingly body shape.

>>54953071
Gilgamesh was justified. CCC and FGO pretty much said he was a good king. He was just summoned in his worst, most egoistic state.

>>54953356
Some hentai have great plots though, like Urotsukidoji

>>54953409
Name ten and a half.

>>54953409
Maji de Watashi ne Koi Shinasai
Maji de Watashi ne Koi Shinasai S
Fate/Stay Night
Fate/ Hollow Ataraxia
Tsukihime
Kagetsu Tohya
Dies Irae
Ourai no Ghakthun: What a shining braves
Sekien no Inganock: What a beautiful world
Shikkou no Sharnoth: What a beautiful tomorrow
Zanmataisei

Note, these are visual novels with erotic content not animated AV's.

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Jeanne is the ideal servant. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

>>54953459
>Dies Irae
The had erotic elements? I don't remember any. Granted its been like, a decade.

>>54953394
>except when we see him in babylonia he acts like the king saber describes and not the one he described

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>>54953533
Yeah

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>>54952917
>Guilliman is the 13th Primarch
>13th
>13

Guilliman confirmed for being a Skaven undercover agent or having covert dealings with the Skaven.

>>54952917
>a cuck
>someone with a waifu that loves and supports them
Guillisuit hands down.

Fate/Stay is fucking awful and the only thing half way redeemable to come out of natsuverse is Melty Blood.

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>>54954425
>giving a shit
Just stare at tits and roll the gacha man.

>>54954468
That's a horrible mentality for anything in life.

While Billy G is augmented way beyond your average human, servants surpass even that by a ton. It would be Arturia for sure.

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>>54954500
But it works wonder when applied to Nasushit.
Or do you really want the thesis paper that explains why king arthur was secretly a girl all along and she somehow had a son that was actually a daughter with another woman and then she got another woman pregnant with a son(daughter)?
Not to mention the power level wank.

>>54954590
Nasushit tits aren't even good and its all watered down same face garbage. I will never understand the appeal must be some normie gene that skipped me.

>>54953465
>not heroic spirit SIEG

>>54953230
Which one of them is the titty monster?

>>54954801
Theoretical.

>>54953315
It's not actually Guilliman in 40k, just Alpharious.

>>54953215
>implying it wasn't the nukes that caused it in the first place.

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Reminder Mash a shit.

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>>54952917
Artoria doesn't stand a chance.
Arthur Pendragon, the man so powerful that the rest of the Knights of the Round Table had to ask him to nerf himself with a set of incredibly specific seals on the other hand...
>Guilliman is not a fairy
>Arthur is not fighting for personal gain
>Guilliman would probably fight Arthur 1v1
>Guilliman is physically stronger than Arthur
>Guilliman has killed millions, he's probably evil from Nasu's POV
>Guilliman and Arthur are gentlemen who would fight honorably
>a battle between titans like Arthur and Guilliman is obviously a battle to decide the fate of the world
Six Seals were enough to defeat a Beast, let alone a man in a metal suit.

>>54954987
I enjoy Altera's favor text as well.
Alien Superweapons > Bearded Rapists who pussy out when the a man in pointy hat tells them to fuck off

Chaos. Chaos always wins.
Unless it's against barbed wire.

>>54954911
Mash is best girl.

She's what Sakura should have been.

>>54954987
>They at least handled it well enough to note that Arturia actually being a girl was PART of the many problems and dramas that led to Canterlot's fall.
>the many problems and dramas that led to Canterlot's fall
>Canterlot's fall
>Canterlot
Horsefucker please go.

>>54955149
So much wrong in one post.
Mashu is trashu.

>>54955165
Nothing I can add here, you hit the nail on the head.
I offer my finest ((you)) as tribute, sire.

>>54955149
>Sakura should have been literally dead weight you ditch ASAP

>>54953215
Don't worry, Nippies are so sick of themselves they're refusing to breed. Give it a few generations and the whole island will collapse and get swallowed up by chinks.

>>54952917
Arturia of course, she is fertile and has a healthy womb that can pop many cute babies.

Aren't all space marines infertile by the way?

>>54955561
What? Including some kind of ridiculous power-curb into them along with their supersoldier-dom, removing any chances of them breeding a new version of the human race and conquering the galaxy in the stead of mankind, instead of for the benefit of mankind?
Ridiculous.
Next you'll be telling me the really powerful ones had shortened lifespans.


Also, not sure it applies to primarchs

>>54952917
Arturia as long as she has enough prana
Naturally, if Arturia was summoned as a full Heroic Spirit and not a Servant, she'd have the easy win.

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>>54955889
>she'll never unbirth you

>>54955889
I'm angry, angry about Riyo pussying out and making shitty OC servants instead of insulting DW!

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Who wins? The entire Imperium of man vs. a stick

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i love threads like these because you can always see the anime hating newfags emerge from the works to debate having anime related shit on fucking 4chan

>>54952964
Thread

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>>54956057
Why you gotta hate?

>>54956136
You know less people would rag on anime if so much of it wasn't hot garbage made to appeal to permavirgins and the fans didn't act so pathetic.

>>54956270
you know as well as i do thats not why people rag on it on 4chan you cum guzzling retard

>>54956300
Then tell me why they do.

>>54956300
I rag on it when it's forced in. Like this thread.

>>54956334
because people are reddit tier crossboarders and dont know how to lurk moar

>>54955889
I'm just butthurt that they had the balls to say that the Big Men were less valid than the other Servants. A lot of those fucking stories the other servants are based on are just as improbable and history-less.
>>54956115
If it's burnt then it stops being a stick and changes into ashes, Imperium wins.

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>>54956398
That's a compelling argument but I think I think it's more believable to say people react negatively to weebs because they're screeching autists rather than it being some leddit conspiracy.

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>>54953048
At the very least, Roboute Guilliman (female) should make an appearance in FGO or something.

I'm sure the crossover would be pretty good for GW and who wouldn't want a 12ft tall Saber.

>>54952917

Is that guy´s name really Roboute?

>>54953220
She was born a woman so she couldnt be apt for kingship, so her family hid the fact as hard as they could they had a daughter and not a son. Then she was raised to pretend being a guy and a king, and shit was hard and tense for her, so she didnt like it, at which point she started seeing more cons than pros to putting up with all of that shit.
She just wanted to fuck off, but she was legit worried of her people, so she was sort of locked into keep putting up with being king even if it made her miserable.
Then there's another point, that while she's serving her master as a champion, she gets to live a rather calm, everyday modern life until her duty calls, the life she wanted to live in the first place instead the burden of kingship

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>>54955149
>Mash is best girl.
>when no girl in the franchise surpasses the best girl from the original VN

>>54952968
She is the spirit of King Arthur (who, in this story, was a female who pretended to be male since her father had no male heir) revived as a Servant to a mage, so they can fight other mages over the Holy Grail.

Not that hard.

>>54956499
>who, in this story, was a female who pretended to be male since her father had no male heir
no

shes believed to be a guy because magic doesent work well with logic

>the king is male, since the female monarch is the queen
>whoever draws caliburn is king
>she drew caliburn
>she is king
>the king is a man
>therefore she must be a man, so says the magic sword that alters perception of the wielder

>>54956479
who said it about being a conspiracy? its nerdy and quirky to like anime now so people be obnoxious about it because they are newfags. its literally what happened to /v/

>>54956532
It wasn't the sword it was the society at the time that would only accept a king.

>>54956546
I only shit on anime around normies that have just gotten into it, I don't do that here though because I won't get the same reaction

>>54956583
the society was why merlin made the sword have the wielder become "king" to the perception of those looking

>>54953086
>40k isn't shit

>>54952942
Yeah, I know. Obviously Artirua has this in the bag.

>>54952942
>someone who had animu fightan magic levels of speed and shit
>someone who doesent

Girliman isnt a history teacher, he loses

>>54952917
Nobody can beat cartoon plot armor so naturally the weeb dream would win.

It's like asking if Bugs Bunny could be killed by a meteor falling on him, he's a fucking cartoon and meant to appeal to children so he literally can't die. Same here. Anime isn't any more mature than any other cartoon so it's literally an unfair fight.

>>54956646
>40k is mature

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>>54956115
Impossible question, the nerf-stick will never hit the Imperium of Man.

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>>54956646
>Anon on a board about role playing and tabletop games
>lecturing about the validity of cartoons in a battle between two fictional characters

>>54952917
Alpharius. No matter who wins, the survivor with always be Alpharius.

>>54956722
>alpharius is a saberface

>>54956497
>Jason used goods
She's popped out at least two kids anon, she's loose as shit.

>>54956838
>She's popped out at least two kids anon
not in the nasuverse version

>>54955395
t. english only player

>>54956738
what if saber is an alphariusface?

>>54956888
saber is the original

well, Arc is the original but no one cares about tsukihime

>>54956708
Well yes, no matter how tough you are it doesn't take that many untrained preteens with flashlights to kill you.

>>54956957
>beat her shit in in extella
>lol I'm 2cool4skool, bye btw I'm not even hurt

>>54957015
>lasguns have no mystery
>cant hurt servants
finally a reason to have the commander use a sword

>>54957037
>beat her shit in in extella
>when she literally turned of god mode to fight you
????

>>54953212

Wrong faggot, she got fucking wrecked in that conversation and was embarrassed over it. The whole reason why she FAILED as a king so badly that she wanted to get the holy grail and wish someone else became king instead was because she viewed it as a burden and was so aloof that people ended up betraying her. Basically the opposite of Saber Nero.

>Ctrl F Avalon
>Only 1 result
Everyone itt is a retard aside from >>54953096

>>54957064
>god mode
Not doing Nasuverse any favors, this all reeks of fanfiction.

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Guys you have it all wrong, she needs to fight another anime character with bullshit sword and plot armor.
Money's on red.

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>>54953096
>All this powerwanking.
In all fairness, the only thing that gives Arturia the edge over Guilliman is the magic. As far as physical skill goes, I'd say they are evenly matched.

>>54957097
>planets have a consciousness
>to defend themselves they empower the ultimate being from that planet with their own power
>arcuied is the supreme being for earth, and also through vampire fuckery kinda the ultimate being for the moon
>this means she can draw upon as much power as needed to defeat her opponent from the planet
>the one you fight in extella has that ability turned off due to her master being an idiot

>>54957122
she beat kojiro, so she wins

what you need is a stone faced commissar with a powerfist and an eldar waifu

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>>54957160
>planets have a consciousness
You lost me, and the rest sounds increasingly dumb.

>>54957173
>as opposed to emotions becoming part of megasatan in superhell- which makes perfect sense

>>54953096

This is all correct barring one point. She has a tremendous weakness in the form of a squishy mortal summoner whose existence is needed to keep her massive mana engine ticking, and frequently doesn't have Avalon because they need it more. On top of that, Excalibur isn't just a thing she "might feel she has to use", it has a massive, massive mana cost. I agree she has an advantage in that Guilliman can't fire a mega beam cannon out of his sword...but your fanboyism is showing.

>>54957173
Do you know what a reality marble is? The thing Shiro has?

Every planet is one of those, operated by its own eldritch consciousness.

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>>54957208
You mean those things from the end of MIB?

>>54957191
The warp is a silly place and only chaosfags care about it.

>>54957173
Go read Notes

>>54957173
>What are 40k Daemon Planets

>>54957235
>the warp is a silly place
no worse than Gork&mork, or the hivemind

or the webway

or the C'tan

>>54957235
It's more like in Transformeres how Cybertron is Primus and Earth is Unicron. But with extra unnecessarily complicated magic bullshit tacked on.

>>54957255
Gork and Mork are just gods, simple concept.
Hive mind is some gook playing starcraft.
Webways are silly.
Immortal gaseous alien vampire gods that were turned into robutts and then caught in pokeballs is also pretty fucking stupid.
A bunch of cavemen killing themselves to merge their souls into a turkroach that proceeded to get btfo by daddy issues from his sons is also silly.

>>54957317
>warhammer is silly
we agree, its a glorious trainwreck

then what is your gripe with fate?

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>>54956270
The same people that throw hissy fits at anime are the same people that scream cringe at everything and unironically wear Obey caps.

>>54956270
so its the same as traditional games then?

>>54957390
It's past the line of acceptable stupidity that can be at least bludgeoned to death.

>>54957450
99% of it is equally or less stupid than warhammer

>>54952917
Artoria, obviously.

She moves at mach 3 or so and has a sword with more destructive power to its name than the main gun on a Warlord Titan. Hell, Servants can only be hurt by magical stuff, and there's no magic in 40K, just psychic phenomena that people believe is magical.

>>54957586
If people believe it's magic then it's magic.
So throwing a computer at her would send her back to the throne of heroes to await getting rolled on the gacha again.

>>54957665
>If people believe it's magic then it's magic
if it has mystery you mean, a rock from her era would work fine, newer things get less effective

>>54957709
Then anything in the imperium can kill her since they're too stupid to know how anything works and their explanation is that their machines are alive somehow.

bobby g cause the only thing more obnoxious than ultramarines is anime

>>54953150
It's the Emperor's own sword tho

>>54957766
mystery isnt a "perception" thing- a tribes shaman would do jack shit to a servant, even if his tribe believe in what hes doing

>>54957916
>>54957766
To reiterate this guy's point, an object of mystery defies even the wielder's full understanding of how it works. The imperium understands how a bolter works, and understands that the technology to recreate it was merely lost. How techpriests feel about it is irrelevant.

>>54958018
Bolter was a bad example in retrospect. Gene seed is a better example.

>>54958035
basically the kind of weapons that would have "mystery" would be things like named artificer weaponry and relics

so girlyman would have some mystery to him

>>54958018
So a lasgun?
They know it uses batteries, it goes crack if you pull the trigger, but they don't know how the thing works.

>>54958074
No, because they CAN produce lasguns, and en masse. If they couldn't, they wouldn't give them to Imps. Plasma is what you're thinking of.

>>54958018
>mystery defies even the wielder's full understanding of how it works
Then the Emperor's sword would definitely qualify.
Hell Guilliman's armour would also qualify, what with the elf death god magic.

>>54958130
They can make them en masse because they have machines that build them en masse, they still don't know what goes on behind the curtain. Maybe a cherub blessed by the emperor eats the materials then shits out the lasgun?

>>54956637
>Primarchs
>Not anime levels of speed and shit
Primarchs fight at such speeds that the human eye literally cannot keep track.

>>54957586
40k psykic Powers are outright stated to be a form of magic. It's why blood rituals and the like work.

>>54953223
kek, really?

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>>54958636

>>54956136
me on the right

>>54958565

The "human" eye. Other Astartes and Eldar have no such issues.

>>54958601
And Arturia has A-rank magic resistance. Nothing short of the strongest of psyker powers will even get to affect her in any way.

>>54956136
>anime hating newfags
yeah, people who like anime could never dislike fate or its rather rabid fanbase

that would be crazy

>>54958697
>Nothing short of the strongest of psyker powers will even get to affect her in any way.
I believe the emperor's magical flaming sword would qualify, considering it's probably the strongest, most magical weapon in the setting.

>>54952917
Roboute turns her into a pool of blood.
If she hits him with her noble phamtasm she's good though. He'd get severely wounded by that (unless his iron halo somehow protects him, which I doubt).

>>54957071
>she FAILED as a king
she was put in a no win situation, as confirmed by merlin

there was no "good" end for camelot

>>54958762
>severely wounded
try removed from existance, it easily annihilates Biotitan tier monsters and is only surpasses by something like Ea, which is a whole other can of worms

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>>54958667
Noice

>>54952917
Considering Avalon is basically a no-sell kindergarten-tier force shield and Excalibur indiscriminately obliterates everything it hits, Guilleman is outclassed. Magnus and Vulcan obviously have the best shot, even considering Saber's MR.

>>54958757
Yes, it would. Though, once you add Prana Burst (turning prana into kinetic energy, basically) and Instinct (near-precognition), I don't think Guilliman would have an advantage to rely on, short of letting Artoria stab one of his hearts to trick her.

>>54958792
Anon please, Girlyman is protected now by blessed Aeldari armor by a new god and his 1000 times bent over waifu.
No mere human-borne simplicity can even hope to match it.

>>54958881
Magic blasts and standard issue hero fighting instincts aren't particularly insurmountable for another fighting hero.

Narratively speaking, there's no good point of comparison between the two. We can't actually gauge what luck A means in 40k terms, or what sort of stats guilliman would have under Fate's nonsense system. Or even how the two would fight. Could the emperor's bullshit sword survive a clash with excalibur? Maybe! Could guilliman face tank the blast with his armour of fate? Maybe! Is a primarch faster than King Arthur? Who knows!

Because of their moderate stances they'd more likely find some kind of diplomatic resolution after realizing they can't just overpower the other with power level bullshit.

>>54952917
Which Servant class would each Primarch be?

>>54959041
>Saber
Lion, Fulgrim, Rowboat
>Berserker
Angron, Russ
>Archer
>implying Primarchs are big enough Pussies to be Archers
>Assassin
Curze, Corax
>Caster
Magnus
>Rider
Khan
>Lancer
The one with the shittiest luck.

The rest are harder to pin down.

>>54959164
pert could be an archer

alpharius is obviously the lancer

>>54959193
Alpharius would also likely qualify for assassin.

>>54958887
and Excalibur can defeat Beasts- entities specifically designed and attuned to ending humanity- with powers ranging from immunity to the products of civilization to control over "humans" to effectively divine authority

its just below if not at planet busting in terms of power when at full charge

>>54959193
While Pert was excellent at sieges and shit he was a close quarters fighter on the field, pretty much all the Primarchs were. To get a 40K archer you would have to grab someone from the IG, Eldar or Tau.

>>54959215
Alpharius qualifies for all classes.

>>54959226
Planet bursting is irrelevant to the superior Aeldari race.

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>>54959164
Sanguinius could likely be both a Saber and Berserker.

>>54959239
Until Perturabo got his mitts of Forgebreaker, his main armament of choice were his wrist mounted cannons.

>>54958887
>blessed Aeldari armor
what? no, that's all cawl's techno magic

The ynnead aspect of his revival was purely bringing his spirit back from the brink.

>>54953229
This.

>>54959279
elves<literal plot armor

>>54952917
Does anyone here actually know what a Primarch is? The only time a Primarch has ever been in danger is when he faced another Primarch or something of that level. Lorgar, BY FAR the weakest Primarch, a literal runt of the lot, defeated An'ggrath, the strongest Bloodthirster ever, and weaker Bloodthirsters have flattened entire armies and annihilated worlds with relative ease.
Also, garbage animu fate magic is NOTHING compared to The Warp, which is the highest level of power, reality warping. Bobby turns her into a pool of blood.
>m-muh excalibur
Lmao, Lorgar survived two blasts from a fucking Titan. Bobby, in his super special snowflake armor made by Cawl, might feel some discomfort, nothing more then that.

tl;dr ANY Primarch bodies ANY servant, and fuck you for making this

>>54959368
This is literal plot armor with elves, making it far better than your regular literal plot armor.

>>54959395
Spiritual bodies.

>>54959409
The Emperor's sword.

>>54959409
Spiritual Liege.

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>>54959489
Kek, based.

So can a human and servant have children with one another?

>>54959406
this is literal plot armor that has previously beaten elves- giving it a conceptual advantage against your elf armor

>>54959395
and the emperor got bodied by an orc

and magnus got rekt by either a stompa/gargant or broken eldar titan (cant remember 1k sons exactly) and mortarion got rekt by draigo, and bloodthirsters get killed by muskets

>>54959544
if you use grail mud/magic to manifest the servant properly and not as a ghost- yes

>>54959544
Servants are essentially ghosts, so no.

>>54959576
>>54959571
Well that sucks.

>>54959551
>and the emperor got bodied by an orc
He was testing Horus, does anyone here actually read what they discuss or do they just spout bullshit they heard from others? And that Ork was implied to be the Avatar of Gork and Mork, and Big E still bodied him when he was satisfied with Horus' reaction.
>mortarion got rekt by draigo
Everyone gets rekt by Draigo, not an argument.
>and bloodthirsters get killed by muskets
Maybe the weakest ones with extremely bad writing. There are tiers (hosts), and the difference in strength is pretty significant.

>>54957173
>Doesn't know about Fenris wolf spirit
Oh boy

>>54959614
>Everyone gets rekt by Draigo, not an argument.
and everyone gets rekt by saber+avalon

>>54957173
>planets don't have consciousnesses in Type Moon
Fatefags ladies and gentlemen

>>54959646
>people who get rekt by Draigo
Ancient Demigods and Greater Daemons, both unthinkably powerful by Fate standards.
>people that get rekt by Saber
Other Servants.

Such wow.

>>54959683
>people who get rekt by servants
biotitan equivalents, satan, things capable of beating up creator deities, Cthulhu

>things killed by draigo
would die to some lasfire

there is literally a servant that can kill concepts

>>54959551
>bloodthirsters get killed by muskets
Fantasy was/is great as counterpoint to 40k off scale power levels where in grim future you need super soldiers and demigods to kill demons and everything is on the bring of collapse. Where in fantasy fuckers with sticks manage to thrive build Empire and invent better weapons to kill demons in more efficient way.
Praise Ulric lads.

>>54959718
Those people are beating those things on technicalities, and Saber is beating those people on technicalities. It does not mean Saber would beat those things.
>satan
Lmao means nothing. Depending on the incarnation, satan can be from building level to multiversal. Fate works with retarded rules, technicalities and pseudo hax. In 40k you will what you want to happen. Reality warping shits on everything you mentioned, since it can do all that and more.

>would die to some lasfire
So would most servants if a psyker was involved. Also
>Primarchs and Greater Daemons
>dying to lasfire
LMAO

>there is literally a servant that can kill concepts
There are literally trillions of people in 40k that can will things into reality.

>>54959757
>not Ursun
Empire bab pls go.

>>54959757
>this demon can defeat companies of supersoldiers and tanks
>get the cannon, it should take 2 hits

Actually saw a fanfic once that I wish had been continued. Radical inquisitors accidentally summoned Arturia while attempting to bind a demon to torture knowledge out of it. She tolerates some of the ones who are less corrupt, but goes utterly batshit when one who's chaos in all but name approaches her. At her demanding, they hand her a crippled psyker to act as her 'master', but one dose of Avalon later and he's healed. They ended up imprisoning her in a room covered in hexagrams and flooded with blessed mercury to seal her while they mind-fucked her new master into agreeing to be their bitch forever and wear a psychic inhibitor headband to prevent Arturia from drawing too much power from him. They then let her out and threatened to detonate the headband if she made one wrong move, before informing her exactly how fucked the galaxy was. She provisionally agreed to help until darkness had been chased from every world in the galaxy, whereupon she'd come back and personally murder the fuck out of the corrupt inquisitor (as you might guess, while she grasped the idea of there being other worlds, she didn't quiet understand the sheer SCALE of an entire galaxy at war).

It was really interesting actually... I wanted to see how she'd interact with her master and whether she'd end up accidentally creating a cult or secessionist movement. A-rank Charisma is a dangerous thing to swing around in the 41st millennium, perhaps even more so than Excalibur. Shame it got abandoned.

>>54959781
>. Fate works with retarded rules, technicalities and pseudo hax
exactly

fate power isnt "i haz big number" like in 40K, its "the rules say i win so suck it"

the gods in fate arent very strong in terms of effect, but things like divine authority and shit they have in buckets- while the chaos gods are just giant void entities with power, nothing more or less

a plasmacannon does X damage, with X being a big number- something like Azrael doesent do damage- it just makes the thing dead through console commands

>>54959781
>Reality warping shits on everything you mentioned, since it can do all that and more.
except the only real "reality warping" on any scale worth mentioning is either done by the chaos gods inside the warp or by C'tan- and isnt that out of whach with TMverse reality warping

>>54959850
That's funny, i saw a fanfic where 40k characters were summoned as servants. Shiro got The Emperor. It's actually pretty great, The Emperor's characterization is excellent (they didn't go the ADB daddy issues route), and Shiro really starts revering him.

>>54959551
>and the emperor got bodied by an orc

No, we have text of that battle from the HH series. He hugged the Emperor and then the Emperor erased him.

>and magnus got rekt by either a stompa/gargant or broken eldar titan (cant remember 1k sons exactly)

Probability of being true less than zero.

>mortarion got rekt by draigo

Draigo is a Grey Knight. Learn their lore. Draigo's name is a killing word for daemons.

>and bloodthirsters get killed by muskets

Name a single example of this.

>>54959683
>Ancient Demigods and Greater Daemons
Saber has killed things above that, Excalibur is fucking broken when it comes to alien threats

>>54959786
>Empire bab pls go.
Joke on you I'm from Norsca(south)

>>54959887
>fate power isnt "i haz big number" like in 40K, its "the rules say i win so suck it"
Except 40k power isn't ''i haz big number'' it's ''what i want to happen happens''. Every psyker warps reality whenever he does something, he's literally turning his imagination into reality. The more skilled the psyker, the more he's able to do. Top tier psykers could literally just straight up shut down any bullshit fate throws at them (not that they'd need to, 40k has retarded amounts of mindfuck/soulfuck).
>except the only real "reality warping" on any scale worth mentioning is either done by the chaos gods inside the warp or by C'tan
Reality warping doesn't have to be massive in scale. It's enough to will someone's head to explode, or power to fail. 40k hax is the highest form of hax there is. Literally anything that can be done in fate can be done better in 40k, except the users aren't limited to that one ability.

>>54959918
>Saber has killed things above that
Maybe Fate's equivalents. A Lord of Change would rape any servant with ease, to say nothing of THE strongest Lord of Change ever.

>>54959902
>Probability of being true less than zero.
its in the book, it steps on him- he uses a force bubble shield and has to be rescued by a captain

>Name a single example of this.
WFB i get that they are different things,
its a joke


>>54959948
>Reality warping doesn't have to be massive in scale
psychic powers are about as reality warping as fate magic

what im reffering to is shit like "the concept of death no longer exists" and such

>>54959970
>A Lord of Change
would die to any half competent caster servant, not to mention any of the grands or even regular high tier servants

>>54959948
Not even that guy but...
>Nuh-uh! 40k hax overpowers Fate hax because it just does!
This is the ex-caliber of your argument. Why is this even a point of contention? You two are literally arguing who's reality warping is more bullshit! As power level arguments go, that's even more pointless than usual and that is REALLY saying something!

>>54960012
muh animay/bongimay fiction is the strongest in creation, and I have to prove it!

>>54959395

> or something of that level

Which Servants are, if not exceed.

For fucks sake, Gilgamesh has the sword that split all of creation in half to create the difference between land and sky. Servants can be pretty bullshit.

Take Excalibur. Excalibur isnt even its real name, in Nasuverse. Thats just what the Lady of the Lake called it. Excalibur is an instance of The Sword of Promised Victory. It is a conceptual object, an idea made manifest. Excalibur is literally the physical embodiment of "God/Fate/Destiny/Justice/whatever else you believe in says we will in this fight". Having it means that reality itself is fudging the dice in your favor because it has a personal bias. Its why Arturia has Rank A Luck.

But sure, a gun that cant even reliably destroy trucks beats that. Honest.

>>54960000
>WFB

I know but that never happened in WHFB. Skarbrand tanked dwarfen cannon and musket fire and charged through unbothered.

>>54960000
>psychic powers are about as reality warping as fate magic
Confirmed for not knowing shit about 40k. Psykers draw energy from The Warp and channel it through their minds and souls to make their imaginations into reality. The stronger the psyker, the more complex the ability. Sorcery is a completely separate thing from that.
>"the concept of death no longer exists"
>Oh, ok, i just willed it back for you. Also mindfucked and soulfucked and done a billion other nasty things.

>A Lord of Change would die to any half competent caster servant
Oh, ok, we're doing it like that?

A marine would solo all dead apostle ancestors and finish it off by decapitating arcueid with a single punch.

>>54958688

Actually I'm pretty sure in numerous primarch vs primarch fights their Astartes have noted that they were fighting so fast that they couldn't keep track. I think Girlyman vs Lorgar and Angron is an example.

>>54960012
>You two are literally arguing who's reality warping is more bullshit!
Not really
Fate
>bunch of animu hax abilities
40K
>literal, bare bones reality warping, from which ANY other power can manifest

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>My preferred work of fiction is stronger than your preferred work of fiction
Both are full of their own bullshit powers, comparing the two is stupid

>>54960053
>Psykers draw energy from The Warp
and magic uses mana from wherever to do something

>i just willed it back
except no 40K psyker has ever done anything even comparable, and the only places where anything similar has happned is in the warp- where that concept might not even exist

>>54960053
>>A Lord of Change would die to any half competent caster servant
>Oh, ok, we're doing it like that?
>
>A marine would solo all dead apostle ancestors and finish it off by decapitating arcueid with a single punch.
lords of change/demons/demon princes have consistently died to heavy weaponry or explosions- and have weaknesses to anti demon magics and rites
something that caster servants can definetley match- at least the good ones

>>54952968
It's dumb, don't think about it.

>>54960034
>Having it means that reality itself is fudging the dice in your favor because it has a personal bias. Its why Arturia has Rank A Luck.
Primarchs all have part of The Warp in them, molded by The Emperor's essence. It manifests differently, but it turns all of them into the absolute peak of what a human (oid) can be, physically and mentally, makes them naturally intelligent and gifted at EVERYTHING, as well as uber intuitive. It also protects them from almost anything thrown at them. But sure, muh animu sword can beat the literal essence of reality.

Also, why are you assuming they'd be anywhere near in physical stats? Everything points to Booby just blitzing her before she can think.

>>54960185
>Also, why are you assuming they'd be anywhere near in physical stats?
because servants are pretty dumb in terms of how fast they are, as is the norm for anime characters

>>54960152
>and magic uses mana
They don't use warp as a source of energy like mana, they need to leak some warp into realspace so it can warp reality according to their wishes. Like i said, sorcery and magic are different from psychic powers in 40k.

>except no 40K psyker has ever done anything even comparable
There is literally nothing from stopping him to will something that has ZERO protection from The Warp into dying. Also, mindfuck and soulfuck are a thing.
>lords of change/demons/demon princes have consistently died to heavy weaponry or explosions
Yes, in huge fucking battles with many distractions and after being worn down by attrition. A caster would first need to defend himself from the Daemon's very presence, which would most likely drive him insane, then react to it's retardedly fast attack, then counter it's millennia's worth of uber god magic and reality warping, then get past it's equally retarded defenses, then land an attack, then deal damage, and then hope it doesn't just heal.
You honestly have no idea how powerful daemons are. Here's a hint: 99% of fights with them are NOT one on one, and the ones that are are almost always VERY quick and VERY messy.

>>54960219
>because servants are pretty dumb in terms of how fast they are, as is the norm for anime characters
This is a no-limmits fallacy. Primarchs aren't just ''appears behind you'' tier, they do that to people who do that to people who do that to people who appear behind people. There are literally tiers of ''appears behind you'' in 40k, and Primarchs stand at the top. They're even shown having perceptions to the point that ASTARTES appear frozen in time.

>>54959939
Fucking Norsecans fucking chaos shits.
Remove Norse kebab.

>40kids even trying to argue

There's nothing sadder than kids who only know their own fandom trying to discuss another.

A Low-tier servant can have an ability that penetrates through any defense except luck/fate. It's basically "If the writer wills it, you die."

That's the bottom. Most servants have even stronger abilities.

Basically, 40k is limited by trying to be sci-fi or at least having a semblance of it), (while Fate unabashedly embraces the notion that it's about legends and stories, and is governed by a twisted "Rule of Cool" that puts 40k's to shame.

>>54960339
I want you to realise you're even more pathetic than them at this point.

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>>54960118
That's it. I'm fucking done. My own opinion aside, the caliber of argument on both sides of this thread is the most cancerous thing I have ever seen and I've met people with terminal fucking leukemia.

>>54960185

> Everything points to Booby just blitzing her before she can think.

You really don't understand how Nasuverse magic works.

Okay, lets break it down with an easy to understand example.

In her first fight of Fate/Stay Night, literally just minutes after she is summoned, Saber gets hit with a magical superattack from an enemy servant called Gae Bolg. The guy with the magic spear makes an attack, and then rewinds the universe and the attack plays out again, an infinite number of times until a version of that attack happens where he stabs you in the heart and kills you dead and THAT reality becomes canon.

Saber survived that attack by deflecting it into a miss or a nonlethal would in every outcome. The worst reality Gae Bolg could manage was penetrating her armor at the shoulder, which was painful but nonlethal. This is an attack coming from a guy who is basically Irish Hercules, a living demigod who in his own legend literally kills hundreds of people at a time with his spear from across the battlefield, because Irish mythology was anime before anime was a thing.

Guillamon is superhumanly fast, strong, and smart. That's why he doesn't die in the first 5 seconds of the match. That's why its an actual fight. But he isn't anything special in Fate powerlevels, because Fate fights are about conceptual rock-paper-scissors, and Guillamon doesn't HAVE a conceptual backing to him. That's just not the logic 40k works on.

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>>54960339
>one setting's writer can determine what happens in another setting

>>54960185
And Arturia is part-dragon, when in Nasuverse Dragons are tougher than Heroic Spirits as a general rule, dragon-slayers being the rare exception, and just because of conceptual advantage.

>>54960393
>convincing /v/ videogames are fun
That's too much.

>>54960265
>they need to leak some warp into realspace so it can warp reality according to their wishes.
and thats literally what mana is for and why its needed in fate- reality notices you are breaking the rules and wants to undo your cheating, so you need mana/energy to stop it doing so


>ZERO protection from The Warp into dying. Also, mindfuck and soulfuck are a thing.
magic resistance - pretty good

things demons die to
>tyranid artillery
>plasma
>lascannons
>melta
>getting banished

>demons very presence
which wont do much to any decent caster

>then counter its magic
which librarians also manage to do

>get past its defense
which librarians manage to do

>>54960298
>They're even shown having perceptions to the point that ASTARTES appear frozen in time.
astartes are many things, but stupid fast is not one of them- eldar and nids are both consistently faster- and even those dont go "that" fast

>>54960393
He beats them both but...
Which one takes longer to beat than the other?

>>54960473
Both will be beaten in exactly the same amount of time:
0 seconds.

>>54960473
alpharius

>>54960501
Which required the most power to beat, then?

>>54960417
The point is that while 40k has theoretical limits, Fate brazenly stomps over them. Even 40k has a point where 40k fans cry out "yo, that's fucking bullshit," but that point is basically the starting line for Fate.

In 40k, there is no such thing as an undodgeable, uncounterable attack. In Fate, not only is there one, it's a low-tier power because there are servants that can paradoxically dodge the undodgeable, counter the uncounterable.

Anime hax man. Do the impossible, see the invisible.

>>54960386
I really hate to point out that infinite loop bullshit like that is commonplace in 40k and that even lesser daemons can create pocked dimensions where they can loop space/time and people that are nothing to Guilliman have escaped those.
What you don't seem to get is that Fate is limited compared to 40k. Because they have actual attacks, and techniques, and limitations. 40K People just wish shit into being.
And Bobby is immune to, and can bypass most of those broken as fuck reality warping psychic powers and defenses.

>>54960514
They both used the exact same amount of power

>>54960339
>There's nothing sadder than kids who only know their own fandom trying to discuss another.
the fact that you're saying this while unironically arguing fate powerlevels is pretty cute

>>54960456
Who gives a shit, Bobby is part-Emperor.

>>54960522
>In 40k, there is no such thing as an undodgeable, uncounterable attack
Lol, what? The weakest of daemons have attacks that cleave reality and can only be blocked with Warp powers or protections. And as for uncounterable, stronger reality warper counters weaker, not hard to grasp.

>Anime hax man. Do the impossible, see the invisible.
Reality warping is the god, king and daddy of hax.

>>54960535
>really hate to point out that infinite loop bullshit like that is commonplace in 40k and that even lesser daemons can create pocked dimensions where they can loop space/time and people that are nothing to Guilliman have escaped those.

That sounds like bullshit to me, anon. Got an example or a source? If its as common as you say it should be easy.

>>54960535
>What you don't seem to get is that Fate is limited compared to 40k. Because they have actual attacks, and techniques, and limitations.
except they literally dont- even low tier NP's literally rewrite reality to do X, something that is beyond literally any being not inside the warp

>>54960514
Both required such a small amount of his undefined power that it might as well have approached zero, all such questions are thus irrelevant.

>>54960535
>40K People just wish shit into being.
So, you mean Wishcraft, which also counts as Magecraft? And you're forgetting Shakespeare's NP

>>54960594
>The weakest of daemons have attacks that cleave reality and can only be blocked with Warp powers or protections
because they hit from the 5th dimention

Gae Bolg has the outcome (your heart is pierced and you die) and at the moment of the activation that outcome becomes locked in place (it already happened) and reality simply plays out to catch up


>40K People just wish shit into being.
you mean the whole "faith is magic thing" wow so impressive, the closes to fate reality bending by something outside the warp would be the orc gestalt field

>>54960535
Wishing for stuff doesn't let you bypass logical limits. Hell, you're basically talking about shit that's on the level of the mortal masters, who are mages and can do just about anything if they have the mana for it.

Servants end up fighting with concepts. Not attacks that take place over infinite time loops, infinite attacks. There's a distinct difference.

>>54960644
>Gae Bolg has the outcome (your heart is pierced and you die) and at the moment of the activation that outcome becomes locked in place (it already happened) and reality simply plays out to catch up
Not 40k but AoS is similar enough, and there random jack off Tzeentch cultists can do shit like that (admittedly on a smaller scale).

>>54960594
>can only be blocked with Warp powers or protections.

Then those attacks are not undodgeable/uncounterable, silly baby.

You're still talking about things with logical limits, not something that can only be countered by creating a paradox. Not reshaping or warping reality, but literally sundering basic logic.

>>54960654
Congratulations, it wins the "more retarded setting than WH40K" award, I guess.

>>54960704
as can mages

>AoS
where greater demons literally die to bows and muskets

>>54960726
>A power can only be countered by a higher level of said power
>lelxd this attack is uncounterable except if you do several things which a reality warper is perfectly capable of

>>54960729
I mean if we're going to start looking at gameplay over fluff shouldn't we be comparing 40k tabletop to FGO?

>>54960605
You really don't get it? When the lowliest psyker casts Warp Lightning, he isn't using mana or whatever to generate electricity, he is literally rewriting reality itself so that super-hax lightning fries his foe. Even the lowest application of warp is reality warping, and top-tier sorcerers can do basically anything they wish.

>>54960605
>something that is beyond literally any being not inside the warp
actually, strong wills in 40k can enforce their own reality, without the need for psychic powers or warp influence

it just works, and there's no real explanation for it

>>54960614
''Magecraft is the ability to bring about what is possible through science with supernatural means; although the process is considered a miracle, the end result is not. ''
How the fuck does that equate to giving reality the middle finger?

>>54952942
>Horus, the strongest and most powerful primarch to ever live was defeated by a regular zombie
>M-my space marines are undefeatable!

Most 40k stuff is pretty weak. The only reason space marines are so good is because the enemies they fight are literally using butcher knives and muskets.

>>54960772

Thats setting the bar of whats counts as 'rewriting reality' so low it becomes meaningless.

>>54960796
>regular zombie
>wielding a sword made by Nurgle to be able to kill literally anything and empowered by Nurgle
Fucking retard: the post.

>>54960804
That's because low-level ones can only do simple things like that. Higher level ones steal/destroy people's souls, warp space and time, and other crazy shit.

>>54960759
the warp powers are "unblockable" because its attacking around the armor- not because "armor" as a concept doesent work, which is why geller fields and such exist

>>54960764
except greater demons and shit literally do die to regular human armies armed with muskets and shit in WFB, lore and gameplay

>>54960772
>he isn't using mana or whatever to generate electricity
same when a TM mage decides that he doesent want time to flow- thats how literally all magic works

>top-tier sorcerers can do basically anything they wish.
except they dont, or at least have never been shown to- the only meaningful examples of reality bending are: the orcs weapons/tech, insider the warp and some of the more hax things necrons have

>>54960818
>be able to kill literally anything
so like a bunch of different noble phantasms then?

>>54960818
The greatest sword in reality doesn't mean anything if the wielder cannot touch his opponent. This is what "balances" Shiki's MEODP

>>54960846
>Higher level ones steal/destroy people's souls, warp space and time, and other crazy shit.
so not that impressive by fate standards?

>>54960852
Cool. A freaking god empowered that zombie to do its task, and Horus probably underestimated him/the damage he'd receive.

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>>54952942
The former, obviously

>>54960851
>except greater demons and shit literally do die to regular human armies armed with muskets and shit in WFB, lore and gameplay
I mean they don't die, they merely return to the warp because their presence in corporeal reality is unstable.

>>54960866
40k writers aren't the level of autists fate's are, so while they explained that psykers warp reality and can do anything, they tend to keep it simple. Sure, Magnus and Ahriman and co can create some elaborate animu techniques, but why the fuck would they bother when they can just nuke their foes with unblokable soul-destroying mind bullets or something similar and be done with it?

>>54960728
You mean brilliant?

40k takes "power" and rides it to the point where you go "this is stupid."

Fate takes it, and asks the question of "What's beyond that stupidity?" It plays around with paradoxes and infinities and distortions of logic until you're left wondering what absurd new level of power they'll reach next.

Hell, the first major villain was a guy who could use everyone else's ultimate attack and even fire them en masse. And that's still not the most ridiculous thing in the series.

>>54960729
>>54960851
AoS daemons and warp in general are MUCH weaker then 40k, yet some random bumfuck Tzeentch cultists can replicate your prized Fate abilities. Congratulations on shooting yourself in the foot.

God I fucking hate anime

>>54960914
Get your head out of your ass you dumbass weab. That's even more stupid than 40K.

>>54960922
>That's even more stupid than 40K
I think that's the point he's trying to make

>>54960922
Don't be so upset because 40k is so much weaker than Fate.

>>54960931
>>You mean brilliant?

>>54960914
>You mean brilliant?
You mean autism wank? As an actual autist, fate is maybe the most autistic thing I think I've ever seen.

>>54960914
>japanese stupid is folded one million times
pretty sure it's still stupid, boss

Depends who Arturia's summoner was.

If it is some shitty novice like in F/SN then it could go either way but I give Arturia the edge.

If she gets summoned at full power level like with Rin or Kiritsigu then she could smash him without breaking a sweat.

I doubt girlyman has enough fame bonus and cashcow power to take on seiba.

>>54960914
>You mean brilliant?
Lmao, Fate is unironically one of the worst settings ever created. It managed to take every single cringy japanese trope and combine them.
>40k takes "power" and rides it to the point where you go "this is stupid."
40K is extremely conservative and a lot of settings can beat it. More importantly, 40k handles it's power levels PERFECTLY: It's a galaxy spanning setting, yet planetbusting is a HUGE deal and only a handful of (mostly absent) character are even implied to be able to do it. Powers are ''quality before quantity'' you have extremely deadly abilities focused on killing single targets or aoe for swarms of enemies, but army killing is left to the heavy weaponry, like it should be in warfare. 40K is VERY balanced, it's just happens that most of it's charactes are extremely suited to one on one fights.

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>>54960866
I haven't even kept up with fate power creep, but isn't Type Earth still the most OP thing?

Shiki's eyes perceiving the death of the universe is still just fanon, right?

>>54960888
so like servants then

>>54960902
>unblokable soul-destroying mind bullets
which isnt that far beyond modern mages in fate, and considering thats magic at its absolute weakest that should tell you how stupid casters are

>>54960918
except the warp is a constant in both universes, so either 40k demons die to cannonballs or they cant use AOS magic

>>54960951
Or even better, it's not as Servant that she's summoned but at full blown Heroic Spirit power.

>>54960966
>Type Earth still the most OP thing?
pretty sure the most OP current character is Solomon, who is basically GOD playing self insert- and whos discarded corpse is enough to rewrite the universe from scratch

not sure on the second point, which Shiki? shiki or SHIKI?

>>54960980
at that point she could probably tangle with the emperor.

>>54960963
40k handles powers in the worst, nonsensical way, with no two authors agreeing on anything and most just trying to outwank each other and taking the lore so far from anything resembling the actual game you wonder what's the point of the lore at all.

>>54960967
>which isnt that far beyond modern mages in fate
I gave an example of a simple, deadly ability. They can just as easily hit you with shit that send you back in time to cock-block your daddy, they're just actual adults and warleaders and have better things to do then make up uber autistic special snowflake powers.
>except the warp is a constant in both universes
Except 40k gods feed on an entire galaxy and are (were) far more powerful, which is reflected in all daemons and warp abilities.

>>54961005
Still infinitely better then fate.

>>54961013
If they could do that, why is the Emperor dead?

>muh op servants
>strongest servant rekt by an autistic japanese teen
Lmao

>>54960959
Do we have public information on type-moon's revenue?

Considering they run an international retail chain, I'd imagine GW's ahead.

>>54961044
Cause the entire Chaos pantheon conspired against him and his own humanity was his downfall?
Also he's not dead.

>>54952989

They understand well enough, they just don't give a fuck.

>>54961031
Fate is exploring what lies beyond absurd power levels with clarity and purpose.

40k just ends up being wank because the authors like to measure dicks and don't know what they are doing.

>>54953025
Zero caster and his master must have had loads of fun

>>54960999
Any of the Shikis.
I can think of Nanaya, Tohno, and Ryougi.

And I know there was the fan doujin where Tohno saw the death of the sky/universe.

... Which actually I think was confirmed as something possible for his eyes to perceive but it would kill his brain or something?

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>>54960914
>You mean brilliant?
lel no

Fate is literally a teenage chunni's fapfiction targeted to middle schoolers. And I'm saying this as someone who's been a fan of TM since Tsukihime.

>>54961054
We know Grand Order is making roughly 30 million per month, though a lot of that revenue goes to other places, not all of it goes to Type Moon

>>54961066
Wish him back, amirite?

>>54953292
Originally Guilliman did. Either way Alpharius is irrelevant.

>>54961013
>They can just as easily hit you with shit that send you back in time to cock-block your daddy,
thats a C'tan ability but sure

because there are no powers that erase people from ever existing in fate- apart from SHIKI MEODP, KH, any of the grand casters, and chaldea if the wanted to im pretty sure

>much stronger
yet dont have that spell, funny that

>>54961054
their cancer mobage makes ungodly amounts of money - they beat pokemon go at one point im pretty sure

its horrifying

>>54961087
Ryougi is definitely above the other Shikis, by virtue of Void being fucking bullshit

>>54961083
No I'm pretty sure it's just a hack writer replacing storytelling and human conflict with statistics and a retarded form of rock-paper scissors.

>>54961083
>Fate is exploring what lies beyond absurd power levels with clarity and purpose.
No, the author just wanted to draw hentai of historical people turned into wifus and cobbled together a bunch of fancy words that autists like you eat up like candy. Fate is pure garbage. There are verses that absolutely shit on it in terms of power that don't have a hundredth of it's autism. There are verses that absolutely shit on it in terms of fancy overcomplicated abilities that don't have a hundredth of it's cringe. Fate is just pure garbage, and to top it off it's a hentai pretending to be something more.
>40k just ends up being wank because the authors like to measure dicks and don't know what they are doing
Even at it's worst, it tells an infinitely more compelling story then fate, with a far more balanced power system.

>>54959239
>Alpharius qualifies for all classes.
He's an assassin, he seems cool and badass but he will inevitably die like a bitch.

>>54961054
No, and any guesses are a bit hard due to the number of possible revenue streams.

There's all the anime, 1 currently airing and 2 movies, another anime and possibly OVAs in the near future, model sales, the Mobage, other crap I haven't though of etc.

>>54961091
>No nether petals
>No mollusks
1/10
Not even hard anon, very disappointed.

>>54961083
>clarity and purpose
Don't kid yourself. Nasu couldn't write his way out of paper bag. There's a reason why he's jumped ship so earnestly to FGO.

>>54961095
Kinda hard considering
A) he's retardedly powerful
and
B) he's locked in a never ending battle with all of Chaos to give humanity a chance

>>54961131
Which is exactly what he does in his own universe, how fitting.

>>54961123
Nasu wanted husbandos, it was Takeuchi wanted waifus. Proto power and autism levels was more retarded than FSN.

fate is as if not more autistic as 40k, both setting also have incosistant powerlevels, a retarded setting/plot and events and characters happening just to sell gacha/toys

both are also writen badly at part/always depending on who you ask

>>54961123
>a hentai pretending to be something more
Type Moon hasn't been about hentai since 2005, they stopped doing it after they released Hollow Ataraxia because they got so big that they didn't have to rely on it

>>54961100
>yet dont have that spell, funny that
Why would they need to waste their power creating a hyper autistic spell when they can just kill things fine with what they've got? Between their space/time/mind/soul/reality attacks and defenses, they've got everything covered.

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>>54961140
Here.

>>54961093
>>54961100
Crazy, but expected. Is it in yens, or dollars?

and yeah, I'm more talking type moon specifically. Otherwise you'd have to include/tally the gross profits of all GW's licensed vidya too.

>>54961133
Lot of those don't trickle back to TM, or are squeezed through the trail of affiliated companies/producers beforehand.

But if they're not public with it, there's no way of knowing for sure who has more earning power.