Warhammer 40k General - /40kg/

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>>54950514
first for black templar!

2nd for fuck whoever posts 3rd

Is a combi-flamer worth it for an aspiring champion in a csm squad or should I give them a powerfist and plasma gun? or something else?

Wow, brand new general. Ok, I have what should be a quick, easy question. I was under the impression that you can only use one Stratagem per phase. Is that a restriction, or am I misremembering? And if it is, what page is it on in the BRB?

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Second for nids. Tell me about your recent experiances with the hive mind anons.

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>>54950530

>>54950546
It is a thing but only in matched play. It's in the matched play rules.

>>54950546
Part of the matched play rules, pg 215.

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>>54950546
you are mis-remembering, the only limitation is using the same one in the same phase.

>>54950551
thats some grade a heresy if i were to ever see some.

What's the cheapest way to start GSC?

>>54950550

Cool nids, I rarely see blue bugs

>>54950551
What comic is this from?

>>54950569
Buy the index and then decide to wait for a start collecting box or bundle.

Are chaos cultist that good? I don't see chaos players in my LGS even use regular CSM and If they are, they're proxied as havoks

>>54950569
Do you have a friend who is interested in Deathwatch? Grab Deathwatch Overkill and split the cost. Give him the kill team, and keep the Broodcoven and huge blob of infantry for yourself. it even contains 4 aberrants, units you can get from absolutely nowhere else save for resellers.

>>54950514
Is that supposed to look retarded?

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The World Eater/Black Templar tactical doctrine is simply brilliant. Normally you'd require tanks, artillery and mechanized infantry to assault an entrenched infantry position, tanks destroying the machine guns that threathen the infantry and the infantry supressing and killing the other infantry that can threaten the tanks.

But the Black Templars/Worls Eaters just say fuck you to the whole process and, realizing their power armor can hold off quite a bit of heavy bolter fire, just run straight at your trench and RIP AND TEAR in close combat where none of your heavy guns are even relevant. Makes me wonder why more marines don't do this.

>>54950601
>regular CSM
>proxied as havoks

aren't havocs just CSM with heavy weapons?

cultists are meh, good for objective sitting. The only problem is that 1k sons and DG have better versions of cultists.

>>54950603
I actually have a friend who has mild interest in Deathwatch. I'll check with him about it tomorrow. Thanks, anon! Are there any Nid allies that would be good to get as well?

>>54950601
No, but they are cheap and thus good cannon fodder/objective holders.

>>54950590
Thanks bro, yeah i havent seen to many brighter coloured bugs around for a while and thought if go for it

>>54950597
It's a 4 page thing, I can post the whole thing if you like. Spoiler alert it features what may be the one happy man in the entire 40k universe.

>>54950620
Yes. Genestealer cults completely lack anti-air defense, and as such, a flying hive tyrant or a Hive Crone may be a good choice.

>>54950620
Not the anon you were talking to, but you'll want some genestealers.

>>54950545
Well considering aspiring champions can't take non-combi guns...

>>54950632
Different anon, I'd like to see it too.

Who is the only good Black Templar and why is it Grimaldus?

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>>54950551
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>>54950634
>>54950637
Genestealers look nice, and Hive Tyrants are beautiful models and would make a great god for my cult. A Hive Crone would be amazing, but price and limited availability are both hampering factors.

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>>54950551
>>54950597
>>54950644
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>>54950601

Problem with CSM (and tactical marines for that matter) is that they aren't very good for the point cost

If you want to shoot, get a dedicated shooty unit. If you want to smash face, get a dedicated smash face unit

Tacs and CSM don't do either particularly well though cost as much as units that do

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>>54950551
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>>54950663
Sorry for posting the last page first, I didn't expect anyone to want the whole thing in order.

>>54950637
>>54950662
Genestealers don't have to be Allies from the Tyranid list. Purestrain Genestealers are Genestealer Cult units, and thus benefit from faction specific buffs (look at the HQ rules), and share the same model.

Also, while the Hive Tyrant is a great model, it has the "Shadow in the warp" rule which may fuck with psykers from your genestealer cult.

>>54950654
>those faces
Vomit

>>54950678
Thanks!

>>54950697
>"Shadow in the warp" rule which may fuck with psykers from your genestealer cult.

SitW only affects enemy psykers

>>54950638

*plasma pistol and fist.

Any taufags here? I'm thinking about running a stealthsuit heavy army, are they as good as they seem on paper?

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>>54950650
>Not liking Tankred

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>>54950753
>liking 1d4chan-tier meme characters

>>54950725
Stealths are pretty decent
Definitely not the worst choice

>>54950725
pretty good, you can take homing beacons and pair them with flamer crisis suits.

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Should I run 2 Scions squads with 2 melta and 2 Plasma or 1 ten man with both, or a 5 man with none and a Scion command with 2 of each?

I don't have enough bits to make anymore right now.

>>54950798
Was the deep striking directly into combat ever FAQ'd or erratta'd?

>>54950725

I was considering the same, had this cinematic idea in my head of 2 ghostkeels and 4 stealth squads with shadowsun getting up close, weathering the storm before charging forward dropping homing beacons to allow farsight and his crisis suits go deepstrike in and charging farsight into the nearest big target like a madman. All this whilst Aun'va sits back with a group of fire warriors and pathfinders slowly moving forward to secure the rear.

The double kauyon/montkah would be awesome

>>54950862
But aunva is ded like sanguinus

>>54950808
Yes run 2 melta 2 plasma. More battilion points.

>>54950862
That could work. As far as I can tell, you can do some neat tricks with stealth suits.

>deep strike farsight and drones next to enemy with stealth suits.
>deep strike the drones within 1 of an enemy you want to charge with farsight.
>deep strike farsight 1.5 inches away from that same enemy
>declare charge
>no overwatch because drones are within 1 inch

>>54950612
Dark eldar. Also known as laughing archons.

>>54950862
>fielding a dead guy

>>54950612
A lot of marines do this, GW just never bothers giving them rules that let them do it on the table.

>>54950808
Semi-related are melta scions viable? I'm running two squads in my Inquisition list and I haven't decided whether to make the second squad plasma for more of the same, melta for something different, flamers for Inquisitorial righteousness or volley guns because I like the aesthetic even if they're shit.

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Playing my first game of 8th tomorrow, anything I should keep in mind?

>>54950922
Jesus christ all that fucking yellow

>>54950922
Gonna use that knight?
Make sure you've discussed LoWs with your opponent before

>>54950932
>Make sure you've discussed LoWs with your opponent before

I thought they got rid of that requirement.

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>He plays Orks

Seriously though, I hate how much of a joke army they are, even among Ork players. 'lol losing is fun, I'm just here to mess around xD'

Sickening.

>>54950922
>anything I should keep in mind?

If you're playing against guard, you're fucked. This is all you need to know.

>>54950949
legit question.

Do noobs get to 2000pts and not know to bring enough anti-tank weapons?

>>54950928
Well, they are Imperial Fists successors...
>>54950932
Nah, doing 1000 points to keep it simple. Captain, Chaplain, 2x tactical squads, some heavy bolter devs, an assault squad and some termies. Goin up against necrons

>>54950974
LoWs=/=just tanks

>>54950960
You must have some shit Ork players locally if you're used to them losing

>>54950980
You still dedicate you Anti-tank weapons to bring it down.

against my Darkeldar i usually take one off the board a turn.

>>54950981
There's only 2 Ork players at my locals and they both win about 60%. One is brand new and the other is an old grizzled blacksmith who started orks in 3rd and never stopped. He even brings snacks for everyone. So I never understood the shitty ork player meme.

>>54950988
Anti tank won't stop Guilliman from violating you

>>54950974
Yeah. Because you are clearly suffering from a permanent brain injury, I'll just point out that LoW are generally a little harder to take care of than just tanks....

>>54950981

90% of the Ork codex is hot shit, so it's not that surprising that people would run into players who perform poorly. Plus the only way to run Orks effectively is full on Green Tide of 150+ Boyz, and most players, even Ork players, simply don't have those numbers. I do, and even I don't feel like always pushing 200 models around a board for 3 hours.

>>54951000
> LoW are generally a little harder to take care of than just tanks

point for point, not really.

>>54950999
i don't really have a problem with girlyman

But he's difficult because he's undercosted not because he's a lord of war.

R8

Chaos Daemons of Tzeentch 2000pts

Battalion Detachment 276pts

The Changeling 100pts
Herald of Tzeentch /w Staff of Change 83pts
Brimstone Horrors x11 33pts
Brimstone Horrors x10 30pts
Brimstone Horrors x10 30pts

Battalion Detachment 251pts

Herald of Tzeentch /w Staff of Change 83pts
Herald of Tzeentch 78pts
Brimstone Horrors x10 30pts
Brimstone Horrors x10 30pts
Brimstone Horrors x10 30pts

Super Heavy Detachment 1473

Magnus the Red 415pts
Renegade Knight with two Avenger Gatling Canons, Heavy Stubber and Stormspear rocket pod 559pts
Renegade Knight with Rapid Fire Battle Cannon, Reaper Chainsword, Heavy Stubber and Stormspear rocket pod 499pts
It's kind of incredible how cheaper Magnus is than Knight despite being much better unit than them.

>>54950974
But if I buy anti-tank weapons how will I fit 500 conscripts in the list?

If I use bloodletters as troops for a WE army does it count as battleforged?

>>54950977
No, I meant that I'm impressed that someone actually bothered to paint that much of a pain in the ass of a color. It was a compliment.

>>54951023
No, bloodletters aren't worldeaters

you have to summon them in or take a separate detachment

>>54951023
What is a WE army

The requirements of Battleforged is that every unit have at least one faction keyword in common, or the 'unaligned' keyword

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Rate my League list?

IG
1988/2000pts

Battalion

HQ
Yarrick
Company Commander Plasma Pistol, Power Sword
Greyfax

Troops
45 Conscripts
5 Scions, Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, 2 Melta
5 Scions, Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, 2 Plasma Gun

Elites
Vets 5 Lasguns, Heavy Flamer, Vox, Lascanon Team
Vets 5 Lasguns, Heavy Flamer, Vox, Lascanon Team
Vets 5 Lasguns, Heavy Flamer, Vox, Lascanon Team

HS
Heavy Weapon Squad Auto Auto Las

Transport
Taurox Prime Gat Cannon Two Autocannons

Spearhead

HQ
Pask Punisher Lascannon Plasma Cannons
Primaris Psyker Gaze/Barrier

Heavy Support
Russ Conqureor
Bolter, Bolters

Russ Demo
Flamer, Flamers

Russ Executioner
Plasma, Plasmas

Elite
Vinidcare Assassin

Pic from last week.

>>54951011
Needs more Slaanesh

>>54951046
So have you got more than one painted model yet?

>>54951050
Idk anon, that looks rapey enough.

Although i am not sure if i should remove rocket pods to swap second Knight to 2xGatling as well.

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>>54951024
Lol thanks bro. Yellow is one hell of a pain, that was part of why I made my own chapter instead of doing proper Fists

>>54951064
Yeah, I painted the vets, one of the tempesters, Yarrick and Pask's tank. I'm not very good at painting so it's taking me awhile to get the motivation.

>>54950912
Very viable.

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>>54951046
>khorne lord of skulls

>>54951064
>edition of the waac grey tide guard
Whoa what a year

>>54951090
Why not?

>>54951000
>puts 3-5 dark lances into the knight, costing me half or less of what the knight cost
>Knight can't shoot for shit or is dead
>Hard to take care of

>>54951096
But all the like 10 guard posters who show pics of their armies have them painted.

>>54951090
Cause fluff. It was fun watching him rip through the conscripts. He's a friend of mine and helps run the warhammer events, and this was for the last weeks event, so it wasn't very waac

>>54951064

Clearly you haven't heard about 8th edition. All the Tau are painted now. It's the guard armies that only come in a grey colour.... I know. We live I scary times.

I've got a large DE army and 8th edition has given me the hunger to trry a different flavour of elfdar - something suitably violent in CC and the only true answer to that is harlequins. To that end i'm drafting up 1500 point lists and this is my first attempt. What say you /tg/?

Troupe master 94
Harlequin's embrace, fusion pistol

Shadowseer 134
Shruiken pistol, mistave

Solitaire 107
Harlequin's kiss, harlequin's embrace

Troupe 150
5 players with fusion pistols and harlequin's embrace

Starweaver 99
2 shruiken cannon

Troupe 150
5 players with fusion pistols and harlequin's embrace

Starweaver 99
2 shruiken cannon

Troupe 150
5 players with fusion pistols and harlequin's embrace

Starweaver 99
2 shruiken cannon

4 skyweavers 202
4 shruiken cannon, 2 zypher glaives

4 skyweavers 202
4 shruiken cannon, 2 zypher glaives

1497

Main style of play is intended to be some extreme speed and basically ganking entire flanks with my army as a whole. A key element will be massivem ulti-charges with the starweavers and skyweavers eating overwatch for the infantry.

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So we've got a pretty good idea of all the new Death Guard releases and I already know what I want out of an expanded Thousand Sons model range (Sorcerer Dreads, Psy-automata and the two other Occult orders),
but what new or old units would you guys want to see for the inevitable Emperor's Children and World Eaters releases?

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>>54951096
I'm still working on painting, see
>>54951081

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>>54951081
>tfw I get super anal about playing with unpainted armies
>finally got 1500 points done the other week
>go down to play in my FLGS' weekly tournament
>literally every army but one was entirely unpainted

>>54951104
>5 dark lances
>3.5 hit, 1.75 wound, 1.17 get through for 3.8 damage out of 24 needed to kill a Knight
>"Knight can't shoot for shit"

>>54951117
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

No but seriously dawg, at least use some black wash or something.

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>>54951114
TIDDIES!

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Made a 3,500 point list that's gonna just be primarily Custodes, Sisters, and Knights.

The Inquisitors and Vindicare are all Sisters of Silence conversions for theme, too.

Armor support is the Knights.

Thoughts?

>>54951104
>uses possibly the best anti armour faction to prove his stupid argument.
>still comes off sounding like a total retard.

Good show. I have been bested.

>>54951125
>>54951133

not that anon, but the first one.

Dark eldar armies usually roll with atleast 1 dark lance per 100 pts as a rule of thumb. most run more, i run 28.

the statistical average to kill a knight is 31 dark lances

>>54951133
>Mistaking arrogance for retardation
>Typical Monkiegh

>>54951114
>(Sorcerer Dreads, Psy-automata and the two other Occult orders)
Wait people are retarded enough to be expecting MORE TSon models?

>>54951104
>Knight can't shoot for shit or is dead

Let's play "spot the idiot that hasn't played 8th edition". I think I've found him, guys!

>>54951127
Do you mean a base or like Nun Oil?

>>54951104
Yes, but Lanchester's Law anon, the knight can kill the lances fast enough that they lose effectiveness way faster than the knight.

Assuming a vacuum where you're not using other units to nail enemy AT as anyone who sinks more than 400 points into a single unit is going to do.

>>54951149
Nuln oil is glossy for some reason, get some army painter dark shade ink or any other black ink.

>>54951142
Not any time soon but they're going to be their own faction with their own unique codex so why not down the road?

>>54951155
I'll be going into my shop tomorrow and I'll pick some up.
Would that be good for my tanks too?

>>54951159
recent facebook post indicate their book is "soon".

>>54951111
Every guard player at 4 stores I go to is fully painted.

>>54951155
Nuln oil is glossy because you didn't shake it properly. All citadel inks are like that. Then there's dedicated gloss inks that are glossy no matter what.

>>54951162
Yeah, black ink washes make EVERYTHING look better unless you want to get fancy with it. Even just a single coat on every item on the model then a black wash will make any model at least tabletop acceptable.

>>54951150
A knight with a battle cannon will do 2 damage average to a raider. Its basically nothing. A squad of marines would do more damage.

>>54951147
>>54951150
>>54950932

Knights are fucking terrible in 8th though.
The only armies that struggle are low model count kiddie armies.
Everything else just easily rapes them.

>>54951178
A knight with dual Avenger Gatling would do 10.5 wounds of average if it's T6.

Don't use shit weapon.

>>54951170
How am I meant to shake it? I asked specifically for the non-glossy version, shook it for a minute and it came out glossy.

I'm not trying to be a cunt, I'm legitimately interested because I'm out of non-GW black ink and it would save me finding a shop in my area that doesn't just sell GW inks.

>>54951185
it does 7dmg and a raider is T5

>>54951200
And then you run into a space marine player with some predator or eldar wave serpent spam. Knights are shit.

>>54951200
If it's T5, that's 24 shoots hitting on 3s for 16 hits, wound on 3s for 10.66 wounds, saving on 5+ for 6.66 unsaved, which translates to 13.33 damage. Although you can split fire to cripple two Riders instead.

Don't use shit weapon.

>>54951164
Well if the rumours are true they're going to be sharing a release month with the Necron codex, which likely means no new models.
I hope I'm wrong though.

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>>54951114
Considering 30k is now DEDG4M3 I want the legion uniques ported over to 40k.

>>54951221
>No knight can take two Avenger Gatling guns

>>54951189
I've heard some guy had to use a homemade automatic shaker for 3 mins on a bottle.
Some times it's a bad batch, other times it's old and really needs a long shake.

>>54951114
Am I allowed to vote for a re-do of the current undivided line? The standard Chaos space marines really haven't held up well and the aesthetic they started with the DV models was well juicy.

It upsets me that the best standard Chaos marine model to come out in the last few years is the dead guy on Girlyman's base.

>>54951221
dark lances are usually split up on 9 vehicles, i don't think you are gonna have a good time trying to delete them.

I'm also not familiar with the 2x avenger gatling variant of knights

Fuck.
Primed my reavers today, and just realised I forgot to attach the grav-talon first.

>>54951120
Was the one yours? I'm super anal too I don't touch a model until I'm going to build and paint it immediately and don't play with it till its done.

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>>54951225
Even if there's no rules for them it's be fun to combine the Khenetai Blade Occult bits with the less dopey Rubric legs, seriously whoever designed the plastic MK IV kit must have been drunk.

>>54951239
Chaos Knights are the ones which can take two cannons.

>>54951241
No, there was a tyranid guy who had his big bugs and a few genestealers done and one of many squads of little bugs undercoated.

The organiser's undercoated all his Dark Eldar warriors but I didn't play him which hurt because I play Ordo Xenos and he was one of two xenos players there.

>>54950922
I hope you have fun

>>54951231
>this model can replace it's Thunderstrike Gauntlet with one item from the Knight Weapons list
>this model can replace it's Reaper Chainsword with one item from the Knight Weapons list
>Knight Weapons: Thermal Canon, Avenger Gatling Cannon and Heavy Flamer, Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon and Heavy Stubber

>>54951114
Plastic Sonic Helbrute, or hell, even a resin upgrade kit for a helbrute sized doom siren and twin blastmasters.
I'd like Noise Marines have their own box.
Maybe a special dirge caster vehicle, like, a Sonic Rhino, faster, less well armoured, equipped with a sonic blaster instead of a combi-bolter, option to take blast master instead of havoc launcher, special dirge caster assault rules for disembarking units.

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40k doubles tournament today.
Finished 9 out of 28th

>>54951113
Looks good. To be honest there aren't many ways to build harlequins so it's hard to go wrong

>>54951120
I do know the feeling but it should give you a sense of pride taking them up against the grey tides

>>54951120
I'm super cheap.
Painting is a large part of how I justify the hobby, I don't buy more or play with stuff until it's painted.
I literally can't field my primary army unless it's super low points, currently because I don't have enough, due to this.

Honest to god not trying to sound like a cunt here but I was recently playing some pugs in an FLGS and came up against a 12 year old and his Primaris Marines.

What's the etiquette there? Do I go easy on him because he's a kid or do I play like normal because it's a game you learn by doing and not through physical growth like a sport?

>>54951277
>for the modest sum of 613 points.
I guess at least it'll kill a raider or cripple two before it dies to the horde of cicada. Won't be much else worth shooting.

>>54951328
Play like normal but ease up if you start curbstomping him.

>>54951068
I'd go with a Knight Lancer or something, if FW is allowed.

>>54951328
help him learn how to play his army like a proper big bro.

if he needs a boost, let him win

>>54951290
Very nice. Did you play r and h or did you play renegade guard with guard rules.

>>54951328
This >>54951336
See how he handles the game but don't be a tool and sweep him waac style. If you win you win, but I'd give him a chance and hope he enjoys the game and sticks around. More people to play is never bad.

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Opponent asked me to bring my Reaver tomorrow. He's playing Emperors Children.

Simple but easy list.

>>54951336
>>54951346
>>54951367
I went kinda easy on him, like I did shit like the ol' OH WELL GUESS I'LL TRY AND MAKE THIS 10" CHARGE. HOPE IT GOES WELL WISH ME LUCK WINK WINK.

But I play Deathwatch so I have a rough idea of how Primaris Marines work, I tried to give him advice and ideas more than outright just let him win.

I did beat him pretty handily and I felt like a douche but I told him if he ever wants a re-match I'm around and he can try with my army next time.

>>54951356
>renegade guard with guard rules.
Conscripts, orders and Yarrick.

I only use R & H rules when adding stuff to my Iron warriors.

>>54951328
Try and make it a fun game if you can manage without making him realize it. Used to do that when our club got younger members, some of which have been around that age and most of them stayed with us for the last 10 years or more.

>>54950912
Volley guns are amazing and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>54951336
This.
Don't slaughter his best unit with no effort, let him take chunks out of your guys before they get counterattacked.

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What's his name again?

>>54951488
marinelet.jpg

>>54950670
>get a dedicated smash face unit
Pistol+chainsword CSM are awesome purely because Rhinos are MUCH tougher, basic CSM are cheap, and DttFE gives you a good 3 extra attacks every fight. 10 of them with plasma pistols bubble wrapping a Fist champion in a Rhino lets them kick wholesale ass and win wars of attrition with heavier units like Terminators. The Rhino is a low priority threat as are the basic CSM so they usually make it across the board, but they can happily earn back their investment.

Chaos Champions are fucking dangerous in 8th. They will reliably burst a Terminator or two each Fight phase while the opposition chews through 9 ablative wounds.

Are Primaris Terminators a thing?

The XV9 battlesuits are beautiful and have interesting rules, but can I find them somewhere for non-anus prices and with more than one set of weapons? Where're all the good chinamen?

>>54951500
Nah.

Aggressors are a thing but they're closer to centurions than terminators.

>>54951500
gravis armour appears to be it.

>>54951240
Get some paint on primer anon, it might be a bit tedious but it's my go to for stuff like that.

>>54950546
You can only use the same strategem once per phase but you can use different ones as you wish.

>>54951341
I don't have FW knights, sadly.
>>54951331
550pts bud. Learn to math.

I'd like to assemble a few librarians (not primaris), one on bike, one with jump pack. but I don't want to pay for the regular models (I already have a few of those).

Any tips how to use spare parts from regular marine sets for that? I think I can find something for the axe's, have some spare books, and some robes (I will use a DA biker for the biker librarian). But I have no idea what to do for the psychic hood.

>>54951528
I'll probably be dead before /tg/ stops repeating this retarded meme.

>>54951483
Yeah, I kinda did avoid doing shit like shooting entire squads off the board in one turn by only using one end of combi-weapons and didn't open the fuck up on the reivers he dropped into shooting range of a kill-team. He didn't do me any favours by charging said reivers into a unit with two combi-flamers and two DW frag cannons from less than 8" away second turn.

I specifically avoided going after objectives unless they were right in front of me and I let him get his big glorious moment with charging his gravis captain into my watch master without heroic interventioning the kill-team behind him into the fight.

Unfortunately his rolls were shocking to the point I let him take a few re-rolls.

I did my best not to be a dick but I feel like a dick just for having won 8 VPs to 4.

>>54951155
>>54951189
>>54951236
They come out semi-glossy if you put too much on at once or extra coats without letting them dry. I do it deliberately with Agrax over a very basic brown and the end result looks exactly like leather.

>>54951514
Maybe the post-Guilliman terminator armour will be mass-produced for the pre-primaris marines to make up for their relative weakness compared to the primaris?

>>54951545
I've seen people cut slots in plain pauldrons so that there's a curve. Alternatively, use thin, bendy plasticard.

>>54951549
I haven't got back into 40k post-8th, so I don't know for sure, but gravis armour doesn't seem to be terminator armour IMO.

>>54951552
Eh, 8 to 4 isn't that big a deal. Even if you were evenly matched scores can end up that way due to dice and objectives.

Did he seem to have fun?

>>54951576
That is something I will try. I wanted to play a bit with green stuff, too, so more to try
Thanks

Gravis is terminator

>>54951582
Yeah we had a good time, I did stupid voices the whole time and massively over-reacted whenever I lost a model. It was nice coming out of a conscript horde IG game which was essentially me rolling flamer dice after flamer dice and headshotting all his mini-characters with a Vindicare and a tau mecha super fun time list with 5 big suits at 1500.

>>54951607
That's the important thing, hopefully he sticks around

>>54951600
And black people wuz pharoahz n shiet

>>54951576
>>54951600
It's not that it's terminator armour, but that it's the primaris equivalent to terminator armour in use.

>>54951616
Yeah, me too. I remember being his age and playing my first game with my terribly painted Black Legion. He was pretty psyched when I gave him the dice bag I got for the campaign. Because I physically revile Ultramarines and was 9/10 salty it wasn't just a standard eagle.

>>54951619
Pool go home

>>54951042
No you don't, Bloodletters and World Eaters are both CHAOS units.

>get back from holiday
>NEW NECROMUNDA
>NEW, SICK SCULPTS

WHERE IS MY DROOLING ANIME GIRL REACTION PICTURE?

>>54951531
I've still got a few kabalites to go, last of my stuff, so figured I'd add it there.

>>54951637
Read it go home

>>54951114
>Emperor's Children

I've had this idea for awhile now. I want to see a unit of Close Combat focused Slaaneshi bikers reminiscent of Doom Rider.

Let that be the Emperor's Children version of the elite Terminator unit that the other two Legions have got so far.

>>54950922
No advice to give, but I gotta say I love that colour scheme. The strong contrast really leads the eye.

>>54951700
>Thinking EC will get a release

oh my sweet summer child

>>54951689
Honestly no one is ever going to see grav talons anyway, so a slightly less good paint job doesn't matter.

>>54951642
right, they can be taken together but you miss out on the WE chapter trait. Which i assume he wants.

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>>54951677
>liking necromunda

Shiggy diggy

>>54951745
>not liking necromunda

Peasant-tier taste.

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>>54951745
Its like you hate joy, as well as a good resource for conversion parts

>>54951724
They've been teasing Fulgrim's return already, it's going to happen and your resistance only makes them harder.

>>54951549
whats retarsed about it?
its the heavier power armour that offers more protection and lets you carry more gun. How is it not terminator equivalent.

>>54951777
Kek as if m8. You can get in line behind plastic sisters.

>>54951796
>what is centurion armor: the post

>>54951114
>Magnus' price drops to 400pts
>Shard of Magnus rule gets added, allowing you to field multiple Magnus models
>you can use Super Heavy Detachment to field army of 5 Magnus in 2000pts game

Come one GW, it will print money.

>>54951797
>Plastic Primarchs
>Necromunda is back
>Orks are a strong af

>Kek yr rite they're not going to do the Primach who killed Gooyman that they keep bringing up kepe dremmin fgt

You've been around for 3 to 4 years tops, probably don't remember when GW making a Mechanicus army was far-fetched.

I was like you when it was appropriate to be like you, but times have changed. It's happening now, anon. All of it. It's just a matter of time. It might not happen in the way I'd like, but it's happening, so it's time to wash the salt away.

>>54950514
Termies kinda look fine but the others look like shit.

>>54950530
>https://mega.nz/#F!bF0ExS4D!_XaMECn0K9HiJKUFSopJLA
Your chapter is a sad replica of Grey Knights, and gay one at that.

>>54951090
>thinks spamming 30 greater demons and princes is fun

ok cheesefag complain about the lack of csm models

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>>54951879

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>>54951895
i think you're confusing us with the dark angels

So I want to start with orks, but I hear they're considered overpowered now? What's the units to avoid if I don't want to be cheesy?

>>54951932
>tfw every time I see something like this I just look at the muscles and go "not bad" when I would use to think "oh great a naked dude"

I think those jokes about /fit/ being closet homos might have some truth in them.

>>54951946
So long as your army isn't 210 shoota boyz you're alright, there are still plently of ways to build an Ork Force that are fluffy and strong without being WAACish. Dred mobs, Kults of Speed, Klan themed armies, etc

>>54951500
It's pretty clear that 2+ saves are going to remain the domain of classic Marines

>>54951932
>DA
>having anything in common with GK
Choose one shitposterino

>>54951978
>joke
>your head

>>54951957

I was going to go for Kult of Speed, actually. Warboss on a bike, bunch of warbikers, boyz in trukks etc.

>>54951982
No, I got the joke. It just wasn't a very good one.

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Does anyone have any experience converting Ogryns or fantasy Ogres into Grotesques?

>>54951993
sure you did ;^)

>54951999
If you want that (You) you'll have to earn it bud. Trips aren't good enough unfortunately.

>>54952004
>I lost so I'll act like my opponent is just looking for (You)'s
as someone else, it's pretty obvious you're backpedalling.

>It was born in lust and unthinkable atrocity. Coalesced from the anguish and joy of a billion souls across a billion lifetimes, it swam in the afterbirth of a new god, shuddering from the screaming reverberations that echoed without end from the wound its arrival had torn in the fabric of the universe.

>From deep within this realm that joined real and unreal, it slipped out from the Sea of Souls, and onto the land of souls. It caressed the material void with questing tendrils. It was a whisper, a mellifluous zephyr that had tempted the ambition of kings and twisted entire worlds into writhing monuments of flesh, shrines for the master of pain and pleasure who was the Youngest God. It was honey and silver and the laughter and cries of aeons of sentient life. It was all of these things, and more.

>It watched the day and night pass over the empires of man, rising and falling, swelling and starving. It watched as they laid claim to the stars, and first drank from the cup offered by the realm of the gods. It watched as those who drank turned upon those who would not, and set their galaxy afire. Champions rose, and as a shining son was born anew within the cradle of the Dark Prince, it found the object of its desire.

-Lucius novel

>It's another "humanity responsible for the creation and empowerment of a obscenely powerful daemon" episode

They can't keep getting away with it, guys. Humanity is literally the worst race.

>>54951994
buy talos parts on ebay and glue them onto ogres.

seems pretty self explanatory

>>54952004
kys ;^)

>54952021
What exactly did I lose? Were we competing without me realizing? What was the prize? I feel like I really missed out on a great opportunity here.

>>54951994
Ogres are shit models to use for grotesques. Use crypt horrors.

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I love when people bring Knights. They are so easy to will with SoB is not even funny.

>>54952025
You missed the part where Eldar birthed Slaneesh and where Anathema is human.
The galaxy lives or dies by Mankind's success or defeat in the Long War, and no amount of xeno mewling or Chaos wanking can change that.

>>54951994
Should be easy depending on how closely you want it to match the official Grotesque model.

>>54952051
>mankind keeps making tools that have a 50% chances of going chaos
Humanity should make nothing but Scion and SoB those fuckers never seem to fall to chaos.

>>54951994

Don't use either of those kits.

Crypt Horrors my friend. Add some Talos bits, and you're set. The masks fit perfectly over the faces as well; very little work required.

>>54952046
Meltas, or multi-meltas?

>>54952068
When scions fall to c

>>54951802
A vehicle

>>54952083
>a suit of armor
>a vehicle

>>54952051
Girlyman himself learned that humanity's current role in the war against Chaos is but one chapter in a long saga that stretches back to the start of the universe. There is nothing that makes humanity more special than all the races that Chaos already have consumed.

The Eldar walked doomed themselves by walking towards damnation. Humanity is walking on the same path as the Eldar did dooming themselves in the same way. The Tau are talking the first steps on the path that doomed the Eldar and is dooming mankind.

It's a cycle of extinction that cannot be broken. But there is one certainty in all of this....mankind is WORST RACE.

>>54952093
>what are knights

>navigating the cesspool of trash that is battlescrub
>default 40k compilation is out of date Index data
>fan-uploaded Chaos dex data throws an error
People actually recommend this shit to other players?

>>54952102
...not a suit of armor

>>54952027
>>54952070
Sounds good; I wanted to get another Talos or two anyway because they're fun to paint

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Coincidentally with the OP, I am painting my Primaris tards up as Salamanders. Pic related (yes I know it's a shit photo and the paintjob is pretty bad - I wanted it to be quick and easy).

I am nearly done with the boxed set and want to get some aggressors because I really like the models.

My question is, are the flamestorm aggressors bad? Or are they breddy gud. Should I say screw it to the salamanders fluff and use the boltstorm gauntlets?

>>54952105
It is just as much as the Centurion is.
Terminator armour is "armour" and not a vehicle because the limbs of the person within are what power the movement.
Centurion armour and knights aren't moved by the force of the limbs of the marine or human within, they're moved by the armour's mechanical parts.

>>54952076
SoB can fit like 18 meltas in under 500~ between 2 squads of meltaguns dominion with their repressor (they can shoot from inside the transport) that can move 24" and 2 Seraphims with inferno pistols that can also move 24"
Then we have shit like Heavy Bolter retribution and Exorcist that can basically spam bullets or long range melta like missiles.

You can kill 3 knights in 3 turns. I've done it multiple times this edition. You can almost see the knight eyes watering up.

>>54952118
>Centurion armour and knights aren't moved by the force of the limbs of the marine or human within, they're moved by the armour's mechanical parts.
But Centurion armor is moved by the force of the human within's limbs. You seem to not realize how bad the GW size creep really is.

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>>54952114
Here's my blurry HQ and ancients to bump my own post.

>>54952118
>because the limbs of the person within are what power the movement.
That's not how power armour works.

>>54952114
your paintjob is pretty decent, you should throw a wash to even out the colors

>>54952093
>users referred to as pilots

>>54952129
>marine
>human
Fucking heretic, marines are at best mutants beneath the glory of the perfect human form.

What's a unit/model you'd really like to see?

I'd like some Crusader characters with stats on par with SM lieutenants and some cool faith special rules.

>>54952138
With knights? Yeah. With centurions? Not to my knowledge.

>>54952135
Looks fucking good, anon. Way better than any of my shit.

>>54952114

The flamer variant gets 1 more hit on average, but has very low range. If you use Vulkan, the flamers will be far better than the guns and missiles.

>>54952093

"Battle-Brothers learn to pilot Centurions as part of their vehicle training, and pilots are not chosen from the 1st Company. Instead, they are chosen from the Chapter's Assault and Devastator units. The most frequent explanation of this is that a Centurion's role requires a Space Marine to be fully immersed in a particular style of war, while the bulky exosuits lack the degree of tactical flexibility that the Chapter's Veterans require."

>>54952148

"Protected by thick ablative plates of ceramite, a Centurion warsuit renders its pilot immune to all but the most powerful of weapons. Named after the Space Marine Legion leaders of old, the Centurion warsuit design was unearthed in the aftermath of the Age of Apostasy in the 36th Millennium, and after sanction by the Adeptus Mechanicus, the suits found their way into the armouries of almost every Space Marine Chapter."

>>54952137
Yeah I got super lazy. Painted most of the primaris side of the dark imperium box today. I think I might slowly add more detail to these guys over time.

>>54952114
Those look good my man. I like how the effect on the guns is done, a lot, but if I was using those colours I'd use it on volkite weapons. How did you achieve that glowing effect?

And not to be too much of a backseat driver, but I think the buttons on the gauntlet might make the glow effect better if the buttons were lit up brighter than the surrounding glow. It looks a bit too much like a stain at first glance without knowing where the light is coming from.

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Fucking Death Guard when?

>>54952156
From now on I will not let centurion on top of ruins since they are vehicles

Wait so the meme about chaos capturing the second floors is actually true?

>>54952083
>>54952093

Here i'll finish this argument.

do centurions have the VEHICLE keyword?

Would Zagstruck be a good base to build a warboss from?

I'd be removing his backpack and giving him nob legs, but I'm worried he'd be too small?

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>>54952139
>shittalking the Emperors angels
That's a paddlin' for ya

>>54952190
>talking shit when you fuck up the Imperium
Was it a human that turn against the Emperor?
No it was a fucking mutant marine. An insult to the human form

>>54952185
>implying walkers are vehicles

>>54952180
Soon, anon. The wait has been painful, but you know it'll be worth it.

>>54952136
Fairly certain there's been plenty of reference to where the servos were damaged space marines could walk around with effort. It would be tactically extremely disadvantageous if they could be crippled by servo damage and not able to do anything.
It's like the difference between a hybrid car and a true electric car. Power armour amplifies the physical motion of a person, but vehicular "armour" doesn't take any of that into account.

>>54952175
They look well suited for that, smooth models with a smooth basepaint.

>>54952209
God I love this meme

>>54952204
Well, it sure were half the human armies that turned too, so...

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>>54952209
Stop this. Never again. End this now.

>>54952185
>Your units dont have the ALIVE keyword

looks like they're dead :^)

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>>54952176
>I think the buttons on the gauntlet might make the glow effect better if the buttons were lit up brighter than the surrounding glow.
That's a good idea. I might add some of the orange I used on the plasma guns.

>How did you achieve that glowing effect?
Plasma guns were a 2 second airbrush job. First red with a bit of overspray to make it glow, then orange and then finally yellow, focusing on the centre.

These guys were maximum airbrush spam. Here's a slightly better pic of the commander.

>>54952235
not gonna lie, i laughed a little.

but i play space skellies so my guys are fine!

>>54952234
>implying <WALKERS> are <VEHICLES>

>>54952185
>tabletop
>canon

just accept the fact that gravis is not equivalent to centurion

>>54952245
Woah, so this is the power of an airbrush...
If you don't mind me asking, what model and compressor do you have, and what are your thoughts on it?

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>>54952235
Joke's on you :)

>>54952257
i got no dog in this race

DESU, space marine canon is pretty gay

>>54952231
Still trying to denied the complet failure that marines are.

>>54950550
my flatmate is playing nids, he got this new model that replenishes his lost 'gaunts. it was horrific, my blood thirster couldnt kill more then he made, i won in the end by killing everything buy it and the 'gaunts, but it was a scary situation.

>>54952235
>mfw I play SoB
Army of living saints here we go!

>Games like No mans sky and Spore have playable GALAXIES covered in life

Does this mean a 40k simulator on this scale is possible?

>>54952281
that unit is actually pretty bad. Don't let big elite models get bogged down by termagaunts.

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>>54952260
I exactly have this set:
https://www.hobbytools.com.au/airbrush-compressor-kit-2b-super-quiet/

It's pretty good. The compressor is wicked. The airbrush is a really good entry-level airbrush. I've had it for I think nearly a year and I am getting pretty ready to buy something a little better. That said I don't know how a more expensive airbrush would be better. Any airbrush experts reading this might be able to enlighten me on that.

Tl;DR: if you don't have an airbrush, buy one. Just take the leap. You won't regret it.

Here's some pics of another lazy airbrush army I made, this was my first one. I've posted it here a few times and it receives universal hate. It gets lots of positive attention irl though.

>>54952287
Those games are terrible though

>>54952306
yeah but they show the POTENTIAL

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>>54952305
One more for the road because OC.

>>54952305
>>54952314
Thanks for the info.

>>54952153
Thanks for the actual non-pic-related answer. I think I will just for full fluff and get the flamer guys and just dealwithit. If I use the flamecraft stratagem they might be cool.

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>>54952314
>Stealth suit
>bright glowing lights

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

pretty nice job, desu

>>54951331
>it's impossible
>proof that it is indeed possible
>hurr it's shit nobody would run it
Good job. Plus
>getting the math wrong

>>54952329
he's out of stealth mode, that's why you can see him lel

>>54952311
The potential is shit. No Man's Sky is barely a game at all, and Spore was similarly but less criminally overhyped for what it was, and not relevant to 40k.

>>54952338
>and not relevant to 40k

Why in the absolute fuck would you type this.

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>>54951745
It's like you hate fun. You're probably one of the people who were disappointed it wasn't more guard crap and instead they dared to release something fun instead

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>>54952329

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>>54950550
I came home to my roommate somehow talking our friends into a 1400 pt game on flat ground with no terrain with DoW deployment. Went exactly how you'd expect after turn 2.
My friends can be retarded

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>>54952338
>No Man's Sky is barely a game at all
I like it though.

>>54952346
anon, dont get me started. please no!

>>54951745
I too was disappointed when GW revealed new stuff that wasn't Space Marines

>>54952338
It shows that games on that scale are possible, all we need to do is take a 40k game to that level. Just fill it with content.

>>54952348
Not pictured is a Trygon Prime with a full unit of Genestealers that popped up in the top left corner and erased any doubt of the outcome.
Double-tapping overheated plasma overcharges with ancients is hilarious btw

>>54952354
I play marines and I get disappoint when they release more marine stuff, I wish to fight new stuff.
I wonder if GW knows they sell other stuff.

>>54952363
I have yet to see a simple skirmish sized game "feel" like 40k is supposed to feel. I don't think the 40k IP needs the lifeless experiences NMS or Spore provides.

>>54952363
>It shows that games on that scale are possible
Everything in No Man's Sky could be crammed into one Solar System though. The scale didn't help at all.

>Just fill it with content
No matter how much you put in you can't generate an entire universe's level of content without repeating yourself.

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>>54952246
My condolences.

>>54952261
I don't care what anyone says. That is the best gif ever posted on this alpaca breeding forum.

>>54952135
Is that a Reaver Jetbike helmet on that Gravis Captain? Looks great whatever it is.

The models look fantastic. A bit too obviously airbrushed for my taste, but good nevertheless.

>>54952104
Yes, because the current generation of wargamers is too retarded to sit down with a pen and a sheet of paper.

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>>54952408

>>54952391
>>54952390
>Individually make words such as Terra and Mars
>Procedural generate everything else
>Have factions manned by A.I. that set to accomplish their goals such as crusades

It's possible to not have the game be lifeless, especially with multiplayer

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Made a test butcher cannon. Thoughts?

>>54952439
Too much macaroni

>>54952439
i call it the dutch rudder pattern butcher cannon!

>>54952410
>Is that a Reaver Jetbike helmet on that Gravis Captain? Looks great whatever it is.
Nah it's just the default helm, painted black
>The models look fantastic.
Thanks bro. I know a lot of people are put off airbrush spam, it makes me really happy that people actually don't mind these models. My primaris marines were going to rot in a drawer a few days ago until I came up with a way to smash these out quick. They might even see a game now.

>>54952439
Cannon looks great, but I hope you're going to chaos the fuck out of the Contemptor's body, because the gun looks way the hell out of place right now.

Do we all agree that Redemptor Dreadnoughts were the best thing to come out the new SM releases ?

>>54952455
That's the next step, though honestly I might not even bother because I have an actual NL contemptor body to clean up. Otherwise, I can always just stick a bunch of spikes everywhere with some of the skulls and chains, or maybe some hooks.

>>54952214
>Power armour amplifies the physical motion of a person
Very rudimentary power armour does, like the forklift suits in the Aliens universe. Space Marine armour taps into their nervous system and MIMICS their natural motions in a way that the wearer isn't really operating the armour in a traditional sense, it's more like a hollow person you stand inside that perfectly copies your every move without you needing to touch the. That requires that the armour be capable of standing and moving under his own power. Marine armour can still move about after a servo failure much like how you can drag yourself around with a broken leg; the rest of the muscles compensate. A full system failure pretty much paralyzes the Marine and requires assistance removing it, but there are numerous redundancies in place to try and prevent that.

>>54952465
>not aggressors

>>54952485
Second best box.

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>>54952465
They're kind of gay desu. I'm with
>>54952485
I like the aggressors a lot better.

The real question is, where do people stand on reivers?

Death's Heads Paratroopers yay or nay?

>>54952439
Someone's going for a -9 ld bomb, I see.

>>54952501
>he real question is, where do people stand on reivers?
They've grown on me. I want to run a squad alongside an Eversor.

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>>54952408
There's a little bit more where this came from.

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>>54952516
>They've grown on me.
Same, I am thinking of grabbing a squad after I finish my aggressors.

>I want to run a squad alongside an Eversor.
Brutal.

Has anyone got a scan of the new Black Legion novel? none of the Megaz seem to have it

>>54952516
I still don't like them. The Space Marines don't need Call of Duty style special snowflake forces who terrify Warp demons with their spooky skull masks.

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>>54952548
Fear my dance...of uh, death.

>>54952465
Fuck off, /40kg/ couldn't agree on what colour grass is.

And no, Intercessors and the Librarian were the best thing from a design perspective and Hellblasters were the best thing from a gameplay perspective.

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>>54952548
>be ancient Overlord of a race of soulless machines that are not programmed to have any kind of fear
>command the most powerful Necron dynasty the galaxy has seen since the War in Heaven
>probably wrestled Super-Orks and Super-Eldar when they were backed by the Old Ones
>an unmatched warrior, who collects the hands of his most powerful foes, just to shame them, and because he can
>practically immortal, as his body will just be rebuilt after being destroyed
>probably tanks everything short of bunker-busting weaponry

>some dude with a skull mask jumps out
>S-spooky!

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>>54952548
That's not the actual purpose of the mask is it?
Khorne daemons would get a hard on at the skull.

>>54952501
Depends on the army really. For Raptors and other sneaky chapters, I find Reivers to be really cool, and they could make a great foundation for some loyalist Night Lords, but for the more noble-seeming chapters, the terror troops thing falls a bit flat and for the more blatant chapters the sneaky thing falls a bit flat. The Reivers themselves are perfectly fine once you see them in real life, they just look a bit awkward on photographs I think.

>>54952593
I like them but just have a hard time actually fitting them in my army.

What's scarier to run into alone in the bush?
3 Reviers
Or
A squad of Catachans

>>54952548

I feel primaris marines should've just been Gulliman updating the codex. Instead we got an entire army that's "Space marines but better but not really because by themselves their an incomplete army.

>>54952592
Well, they're supposed to be loud and distracting too, kinda like Howling Banshees masks, but against some opponents it really doesn't make much sense to have them at reduced leadership. Necrons, Tyranids and Daemons really shouldn't be affected by Spooky McSkullface screaming at them.

>>54952603
Catachans have dicks.

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>want to go to games workshop tomorrow and enjoy my Sunday
>don't get paid until Wednesday

>>54952603
Well if were being honest the Catachans will probably try to fuck you before or after. Reivers just gonna kill you.

>>54952180
Death guard are getting released after the konor campaign. This whole thing about Morty wanting to duel Guilliman will literally never happen during the event which ends in a lord of war match, clearly a mission designed for the two to face off just like in the dark imperium artwork.

>>54952603
>Not knowing that Reiver recruits are stolen from catachan

>>54952603
Well, depends. One is a full squad of trained killers rushing out, gunning and knifing you down and the other is three humanoid monsters whose armour your weapons can't pierce, who can scream so loud it blows out your eardrums and who can spit acid while knifing and gunning you down.

>>54952614
>>54952619
Rape-mind

>>54952613
God damn it they're such a bad idea.

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>>54952548
I have no problem with how the models look, aside from the differences in scale. If they were the size of normal space marines, I'd be happy as fuck.

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>>54952603
Let's wait for this comparison until a land shark bites off half of their body before it get's killed with bare hands, and then they charge some Eldar. Just wait a bit.

>>54952622
Let's be honest here. Even if they release Morty early enough, who can bring Morty to a decent tabletop standard AND integrate him into a decent list in less than a week?

>>54952618
Well, you know what you have to do then. Go and sell your ass on the corner. You need money for that plastic crack, fool.

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Skaven in 40k when?

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>>54952648
Nah I'll just have to wait another week before I start again and hope Mr Noseberg follows through

>>54952644
Yeah. It's not going to be enough to turn it around. It's sad the way the event went, but hey, I'm still having fun.

>>54952622
In lore at least, the duel already happened. Guilliman and Mortarion fought on Iax in Dark Imperium novel

>>54952657
We tried that once, name of Hrud. Didn't turn out so well. Though I suspect you could count them as a Conscript horde with some AdMech support.

>>54950922
Honestly knights aren't terrible to fight against, my BT have killed one and I have some very mediocre anti-tank. Is say give them a heads up so they can at least have a tac list ready with some anti-tank in it.