Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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So this gentelman is a berserker too, right? How come he doesn't jump off the rhino and charge some fuckers with his axe?

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We used to be a thing :(

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Feedback on my latest hobby contribution?

3rd for alpha legion

>>54932359
Are you not?

>>54932359
What is the least popular race of xenos now? Is it necrons? What happened, how did you become less popular than the tau

>>54932360
>ending the 41st Millenium
Damn, that's impressive.

>>54932360
3/10

>>54932360
Make it taller vertically so it's more compelling to open.

>>54932344
He's not a berzerker. He's just some faggots they keep around because he knows what to do when the rhino throws a track pin.

>>54932382
>What is the least popular race of xenos now?
I thought we had an actual chart for this somewhere. At least one based on sales.

>>54932360
Vertical, and also include a picture of Lorgar, possibly the one from the FW books

>>54932344
because he have his arse plugged to the rhino

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>>54932313
Just cane to let OP know he must be a thrid generation inbred to think it's ok to make a new thread before the old one gets to page 9.

I can only assume the reason your mother didn't strangle you in your sleep is because she herself was born with flippers instead of arms.

You stupid cunt.

>>54932344
Shredding dudes with a combi-bolter satisfies the butchers nails just as much.

Alternate answer, he's chained/welded in place to keep him firing.

>>54932429
top kikek

Heil Hydra!

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How is the Cronos? Worth taking over a second Talos?

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>>54932395
My selection for someone that really fits the image of Lorgar

>>54932501
What is wrong with you

>>54932423
>>54932415
And the driver? WE must pay a lot of compensations for car crashes.

>>54932452
Neither is worth taking.

>>54932556
That's Lex Luthor you shit. The most white villain ever made.

>>54932575
A sad day for the dark kin

Old Grey Knight player, seeking to return to the game. Haven't played since early 5th, so missed out on lots of the 6th ed hate.
Are Terminators still the best troops, or are Strikes finally good?
Interceptors, yeah or nah, 2x squad of 10 will have 2 Incinerators, 4 falchions, and Justicar with DHammer.
Purifiers look like hot, expensive garbage. Am I right?
Grand Master in baby carriage, is there a new good loadout? My only 1 has Incinerator+Psycannon+Sword. Pyscannon I am hesitant on for some reason, and the Psilencer still looks meh to meh.
Thanks folks.

Why no noise biker unit? That seems like an obvious extension of Slaanesh's heavy metal+speed attributes.

>>54932582
>white
>Clearly brown on the pic
Sure thing anon

>>54932547
I'd imagine WE drivers do try and ram everything they can, in previous 'dexs they could take sawblades on their transports after all.

Secondly, that's assuming it's still a person at all, Chaos tends to meld the driver into the vehicle itself, and that's also assuming its isn't a demonically possessed machine spirit driving the whole thing.

>>54932601
GK get fucked hard by Hellblasters.

>>54932359
I used to love dem robots, but then they tombkinged'em.

>>54932313
Soulburners or Hellflamers for a Hellforged Contemptor? I feel like Soulburners are nice and can be used after advancing but not sure.

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>>54932600
>>54932615

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1) Can a person under the effects of daemonic possession be led to believe (as a natural side effect instead of the daemon's whispers) that he/she is in fact the daemon in question, and thus try to tear himself out of his own body?

2) What exactly happens with a soul when it is consumed by a warp entity? Does it become part of the daemon, part of the warp or simply melt into the warp like when you normally die?

>>54932600
Greek, I think. There was a specific actor he was sorta based on, but I forget his name.

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>>54932617
Ok, I'll take it. But explain this in World Eaters.

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What do you think of my list? Lots of potential with nine command points to assault alot of stuff turn one or two.

Chaos lord 97
Bolt pistol, power maul, jump pack

Chaos sorceror 133
force sword, plasma pistol, jump pack

Chaos sorceror 102
force sword, bolt pistol

Exalted Champion 70
teeth of the hydra, bolt pistol

10x Chosen 172
champion, power fist

10x Chosen 172
champion, power fist

5x Chaos marines 78
plasma gun

5x Chaos marines 78
plasma gun

5x Chaos marines 78
plasma gun

5x Chaos marines 78
plasma gun

5x Chaos marines 78
plasma gun

30x cultists 147
3x flamers

6x warp talons 162
6x pair of lightning claws

5x Havocs 117
4x plasma guns

5x Havocs 117
4x plasma guns

5x Havocs 117
4x plasma guns

3x Obliterators 195

Hellbrute 124
Twin lascannon, combi bolter

1998, alpha legion, 9 cp (2 batallion)

>>54932642
Sure.

Now stop asking.

>>54932665
Those are normal CSM not world eaters

>>54932665
What bit, the Plasma gun?

>>54932666
the chosen have bolt pistols/chainswords

>>54932668
I'll ask every thread now. Just for you.

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>>54932676
I can fucking see the World Eater insignia anon

>>54932693
And every thread I'll give a different answer, making you doubt yourself.

>>54932529
nothing, a bit too much free time I guess

>>54932710
The pact is sealed.

>>54932701
Anon world eaters dont have CSM. They are all berzerkers.

>>54932677
According to fluff, all WE are berzerkers.

>>54932501
Close, but you need to recut your entire story into a square shape.

>>54932737
So how come you can have normal CSM with WORLD EATERS keyword?

>>54932612
3rd had 'em. And noise terminators!

>>54932758
The same way flamers are the best AA gun. Fluff =/= crunch.

>>54932402
Its actually like an eerie 5% of all sales per faction, like on the nose if you split them all into their sub groups.

>>54932788
>>54932402
GW doesn't give sales data

>>54932770
That fucking pisses me off. Just retcon that ALL World Eaters are berzerkers, GW and we all can go home. Now we can't have fluffy WE army, unless we put there some trash fucking cultists.

>>54932673
Wow, big changes it seems.
I will.lookmat basic dudes then and just claim my Termies to Pallys now; promotions may be in order. I assume thet Deep Strike in, cause Land Raiders are expensive as balls now?
Interceptors I planned to just deploy, hence the Incinerators. Move 12" T1 then T2, move 12" flame and assault. Otherwise, are Psilencers ever worth it?
Shame on Purifers, painted up a bunch really neat, guess they are basic dudes now.
What about the HQs, particularly the Dreadknight Master armament?

>>54932655
>The Emperor
>White

>Riptide basically confirmed for buffs
lol
I wonder what role GW wants it to hold. Mobile and tankier vehicle buster?
Right now 400 pts for Heavy 3 Str 7 AP-3 damage:1 is pretty objectively terrible, oh at BS 4+ too
Thing looks too good and fun to paint to be unusable

>>54932795
1) You can still make them troops with the Index army rules.

2) If you don't have the index take a Vanguard detachment + outrider/spearhead according to preference.

3) They'll probably be troops when their Codex comes out anyway. I guess the nurgle guys will tell us.

>>54932795
If you want a fluffy army just don't take csm troops

>>54932837
>Prehistoric Anatolia
>Not white

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>>54932737
>world eaters don't
it's not like the rubric, where all of their forces were magically turned into one kind of soldier

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From the most popular legion to the unpopular.
1. Black Legion
2. Death Guard
3. Emperor's Children
4. World Eaters
5. Iron Warriors
6. Thousand Sons
7. Word Bearers
8. Alpha Legion
9. Night Lords.

>>54932737
>They are all berzerkers.
STFU newfag.

>>54932871
I disagree but would like to see more of these lists.
Alpha is too low, word is too high. DG and TS should be near the top. God legions are popular

I'm painting a couple skulls for my bases in preparation for the GW skull box. I'm on my third thin layer of skull white.

I am not going to enjoy painting that box.

>>54932868
Everything you just said is just wrong. A bunch of thousand sons survived and became sorcerers, while the entire command structure of the world eaters either gave themselves to daemons or became champions of khorne.

Ranged weapons were thrown in favor of chainswords and axes, it'a right on their Codex entry. No amount of retconned fluff will change that.

>>54932804
>What about the HQs, particularly the Dreadknight Master armament?

Just played a game against a guy that fielded two GMs in DKs. Cast sanctuary on one, it's borderline unkillable, and with it's giant hammer, 12" flamer, and heavy psycannon, it's extremely dangerous out of deepstrike. Give it first to the fray and get rerolling charges, this thing will melt anything he gets into combat with and a 3++ alongside 12W and T6 makes him near immune to both small arms and anti-tank.

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>>54932871
>Black Legion more popular than Thousand Sons
>Alpha Legion are below Word Bearers
>Word Bearers that low in the first place

>>54932876
>not an argument
Ahahahaha stay mad cuck

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>>54932663
>There was a specific actor he was sorta based on, but I forget his name.
Yul Brynner.

>>54932769
NANANANANANANA motherfucker.

...I really need to dig out my 3e Slanneshi berzerkers again, just for the lulz.

>>54932871
I'd put Black Legion much lower in that list.

>>54932885
>I'm painting a couple skulls for my bases in preparation for the GW skull box. I'm on my third thin layer of skull white.
>I am not going to enjoy painting that box.
Dude. Prime them white, hit them with a $8 bottle of acrylic sepia ink from the art store, and highlight with a drybrush.

>>54932871
>>54932883
>>54932917
Post your lists then.

>>54932857
Prehistoric Anatolia (or actually it could be as late as 2000 BC) is not exactly someone the average person knows what they look like. Those people are long lost in the gene pool of Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Franks and Roaches.


You would need DNA reconstructions (which I'm sure exist somewhere) to see how they actually looked. But those are not exactly easy public knowledge.

>>54932854
Like I said - you'll need cultists to fulfill troop requirements then. I don't like cultists in WE much. They'd be probably butchered by WE in the first place.

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Everyone ready for the Grand Cultivator? It'll be like every other daemon unit, used for 40k and AoS.

>>54932942
>>54932871
I play Thousand Sons.

>>54932737
No, they aren't.

>>54932892
I assume he Deep striked over, shot, stood there and then asssaulted next turn?
I was planning on running 2 of the Masters in Carriage with that loadout. Maybe 1 hammer and other Master with Sword. Aren't they too pricey though? Like 300 each when upgraded that way?
Ok, I cam loved an addition with bith of my Librarians benched.

>>54932942
eh...
BL
TS, DG, WE
EC
Alpha
NL
IW
WB

>>54932993
[citation needed]

>Chaos already losing on Vanitor
Well that didn't last long.

>>54932871
>black legion top
>alpha legion so low
Oh honey....

should be :

Death Guard
World Eaters
Alpha legion
Thousand Sons
Iron Warriors
Emperor's Children
Nightlords/Black legion
Word Bearers

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>>54932942
1. Thousand Sons
2. Death Guard
3. Iron Warriors
4. World Eaters
5. Black Legion
6. Word Bearers
7. Emperor's Children
8. Night Lords
9. Alpha Legion

This would be my list based on my local area. I have seen one too many a Magnus in my store.

>>54932968
I know. I'm just posting cus its fun.

Plus the Emperor can look like however he wants. Biomancy.

>>54933037
>Night Lords over WB

No.

>>54932993
Yes, they are.

Does the Prince of Chaos ability which lets you reroll hits of 1 for the Daemon Prince affect himself?

>>54932942
AL
DG
TS
EC
Renegades
NL
WE
IW
BL
WB

Let's do Xenos next guys, this is funner than shitflinging

Eldar
Ork
Tyranid
Dark Eldar
Necron
T'au

Quinns and GSC too niche

>>54933042
Have you SEE the hhg? its rife with NLs over WBs

>>54932994
He tried to charge out of deepstrike but failed both, since a 9" charge, even rerolling, is hard to achieve. Even still I couldn't kill either one. Always hitting on 2s, 3s with the hammer, is amazing. The next turn they started mulching whatever they got into combat with.

We were playing 2k points, he had 6 paladins, two apothecaries, three strike squads, a land raider crusader, two laserbacks, and the grandmasters.

What is the chance that the HH books let Sigismund be the one to kill Khârn on Terra?

>>54933044
>>54933018
Citation:

World Eater have havocs. A havoc is not a berzerker, so not all WE are berzerkers.

That, however, doesn't mean that they don't have the butcher's nails, because they all have them (for you this is +1A on the charge), but having the nails =/= being a zerk.

>>54932844
Codex supercedes the index unless they're DG or TS

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>>54933062
Pretty accurate i'd say


>>54933046
yeah, its pretty fucking neato, same with chaos lords

>>54932994
With rerollable charges he has just over a 50% chance to make the charge from deep strike

285 with psycannon+psilencer, incinerators good but not auto take

Hammers good but swords alright too

>>54933042
No one gives a shit about WB though

>>54933062
>Tau that low
ehhh, not feeling it

>>54933062
Eldar
Ork
Tyranid
T'au
Necron
Dark Eldar

The Tau are all hold over WAAC faggots and I've only ever met one person who plays Dark Eldar.

>>54933073
Crunch =/= fluff. In that same codex it says ranged weapons were abandoned in favor of chainsowds and chainaxes or something like that.

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>>54933091
pic related disgrees

>>54933074
Says who? Not GW, because they said the Codex only overrides the things that are mentioned in them, and none of the army rules are. Which are consequentially the only things that prevent you from taking WE sorcerers or EC berzerkers.

>>54932979
There is no such thing as troop requirements in 8th edition, just use a vanguard detachment if you want a fluffy force.

>>54933086
The strawpolls I've seen tend to paint a bit different a picture

>>54933106
That's a Black Legionaire, from a book that came before the codex, in the early stages of the Slave Wars (so just after the heresy) that was described as progressively degenerating from the nails and who only saw Khorne as a token good luck.

>>54933118
>strawpoll

Lol you stupid nigger.

>>54933063
>>54933086
Does everyone have terrible taste.

>>54933073
Where you found an information that WE have havocs?

>>54933113
This. I disagree that they can't be troops but why would anyone want to be seizing objectives with their zerkers in a supossedly 'fluffy' force?

>>54933142
Probably some old 2nd ed book kek

>>54933123
He was toting the HB before joining the black cunts anyway.

And not all WE are from the heresy. They still somehow recruit people. Even if it's just that, newfag WE may behave "normally" until the nails fuck their mind for good.

So they still have havocs and CSM (newfag nails) and zerkers (oldfag nails)

>>54933132
Not the best source or definitive
But 1000 votes beats anecdotes from nowheresville

>>54932795
You can take a vanguard detachment with 1 Kharn and 3-9 units of bezerkers. Since berserkers can be both elite and troop you can take 3-6 elite beserkers and 0-3 troop beserkers.
You can do the same with noise marines, rubric marine and plague marines.

>>54932979
This. Is. Not. 7th. You. Do. Not. Need. Troops.

>>54933199
Objective secured motherfucker

>>54933107
Nope. They've intentially left that out so you can't use berzerkers as troops. Vanguard what people will have to use.

>>54933168
So how will you explain terminators? They are veterans for sure.

>>54933211
If you're playing world eaters, you're playing to table.

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Finally got my army finished up but still haven't managed to play 8th edition yet

I run a pretty basic space wolves set up with a focus on dreadnoughts, so all I've been wondering is how has 8th edition been treating them?
Also are land raiders actually usable as well?

>>54933186
>Since berserkers can be both elite and troop you can take 3-6 elite beserkers and 0-3 troop beserkers.

No, they can't. They are elites now.

>>54933239
Or... just don't use the codex.

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I like the look of these guys, but are they worth fielding? Any Admech here who can recommend which one to field? Or should i just go full out kastelans?

>>54933199
Still need HQs though...

Do Night Lords join Black Legion? How fluffy is a Night Lords' aspiring champion leading BL bikers? I have a bat metal helmet and don't know what to do with it, lul.

>>54933236
Dont know why that was spoiler'd
Forgot to add what are some good battlerep channels to watch so I can actually see how 8th edition compares so far. I understand how it works on paper but I'm one of those people that prefer first hand experience to judge something

>>54933246
Yeah, try that, especially in official store.

>>54933262
Yes, in ADBs book there are a number of NL defectors

>>54933223
Loyalist terminators aren't 10k years old either.

Zhufor is also a veteran that doesn't have the BftBG rule but have the nails. You don't need to be a babbling ragging bastard to wear TDA. Originally zerkers were assault marines, but this may also have been retconned.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have Cult Terminators, but we can only hope that this shit would be fixed in a new WE dex.

>>54933264
From what's I've seen, literally none of them. They are all terrible. Go down to your locals and get some practice games done.

>>54933236
Dreads are pretty good. I actually prefer the regular dread and venerable dread to the bigger ones right now as they don't have degrading stats when damaged

>>54933258
Everyone I've talked to says don't bother but I've found Dragoons to be pretty decent against Guard and Eldar while near useless against MEQ heavy armies. My Ironstrider tends to be an ok fire support platform.

Really it depends on you competitive your local meta is. Full kastelans is good but IMO it's boring as fuck and even 2 or 3 can do a lot of damage so your opponents may not have much fun against a bunch of them.

>>54933258
Ironstriders are useful but Dragoons are shit with the index rules.

>>54933258

I have 9 of these. 6 of them are the melee variant. I personally feel that they are absolutely worth it. They are still pretty cheap points wise, move very fast, hit hard, and are much harder to kill than they used to be. The ranged varient is a decent gun platform. It's basically a mobile las cannon. Ok, but you have other things for that.

>>54932382
>They have like 10 different types of models.
>Finish your army and have everything you need

>>54933273
Since my manager is what you might call "not a cunt" he lets those who haven't bought the codex play with the index.

>>54933264

What >>54933277 said. Find some friendly people willing to help you learn the ropes and avoid those who just want to play cheese to win.


Actually, that brings up a good point. What do people thing is a good indicator of a decent player to go against?

>>54933276
Imagine getting a WE codex bit no new berzerker models

>>54933276
I don't think we really need separate WE dex. We just need to harmonize fluff with rules.

>>54933300
The lack of AP really hurts the taser lances with the fact that they're not getting an extra attack on the charge anymore. I run a trio of them and while they use to be great those 3 fewer attacks hurts more than I thought it would.

They tend to be decent screens or distractions but they don't seem to do much beyond that against anyone with a 3+ save.

>>54933323
Making WE play fluffy would be a HUGE nerf for them, I'd say fuck the fluff if it makes them playable.

>>54933315
do they cheat? No? then its a good opponent

>>54933326

They still get a decent number of hits with the taser rule, and now that it's just a flat +3 to stregth they double out most infantry. Hitting on 3's and wounding on 2's ain't bad. I've managed to get a good number of wounds through on meqs with them, but that's just anecdotal evidence really.

>>54933168
>He was toting the HB before joining the black cunts anyway.
Yes, just after the heresy like I said. If you keep pretending that was the only thing I said I'll just copy paste my previous post until you stop letting wishful thinking dictate your worldview.

>And not all WE are from the heresy. They still somehow recruit people.
Most are, and those who aren't are bred into a legion already fully devoted to close combat. That they would become havocs for some reason is a baseless assumption.

>So they still have havocs and CSM (newfag nails) and zerkers (oldfag nails)
Anon the codex LITERALLY says they dumped ranged weapons. Geez if you want a ranged army play Tau or something.

>>54933226
Fair

>>54933307
Necrons have more models than tau and deldar though? Don't they

>>54933340
>do they cheat? No? then its a good opponent
No. Just. No.

>>54933212
>They've intentially left that out so you can't use berzerkers as troops
Prove it, you can't. What they did say is that Index rules not in the Codex still apply...

>>54933313
Ok, but then they are troops. Not elite.

>>54933368
So you cheat?

>>54933368
Yes. Just. Yes.

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Semi-new Guardfag here. Building my dudes - what ratio should I be making lasguns to the other special weapons? About how many guardsman and what ratio of weaponry is suitable for a typical WYSWYG Guard force? Pic related, my dudes.

>>54933371
You'd run 3 troops from the world eaters section and 6 elites from the general chaos marines section. It's not that hard.

>>54933276
>Zhufor is also a veteran that doesn't have the BftBG rule but have the nails.
Again, crunch =/= fluff. And Berzerkers are only babbling maniacs in the battlefield.

>>54932359
I'm sorry, I just don't get Necons.

They just park their ass on some planet out in the middle of no where and yell "get off my lawn" and start shooting shit.

Bunch of old cooters never grow, never expand base, just throw rocks at people till they go away.

For Necrons to be a threat, they have to go on a terminus crusade.

>>54933389
No World Eaters bonuses for you then.

>>54933336
So, like the other anon said, make it canon that nails make marines insane after a while, so new recruits actually can act as normal CSM, termies are too heavy to attack twice in a turn and shit. That would be enough for me. But please, do not say in a codex that all recruits are getting brain surgery to beciome zerkers and few pages latter allow regular CSM because fuck the fluff.

>>54933397
I liked oldcrons more. They did everything the Nids do but better.

>>54933403
No shit.

>>54933403
Still get them from the Codex. Legion traits and Army rules are differen't things and don't overwrite each other.

>>54932382
>Boring Space terminator with boring kit lack of any characterlization or conversion potential.\

I wonder why too.

>>54933418
Oh, ok.

No games for you then cheesy fuck.

>>54933397
Necrons vs. Orcs
Necrons vs. Humans
Necrons vs. Tau
Necrons vs. Eldar
Necrons vs. Tyranids

Necrons vs. EVERYBODY

NOBODY would see that coming, just out of fucking nowhere Necrons come, kill everybody and everything, banish the warp, then open a little box and destroy the entire universe.

It'd be just like a particular british author who I shall not name and his whimsical take on the life, the universe, and everything.

>>54933363
only 1 necron model that truly matters
PYLONS

>>54933418
Of course they do. Don't be THAT guy.

>>54933404
Remember it's just a placeholder until the actual WE codex. The CSM dex was made more with the regular legions + renegades in mind.

>>54933407
Same. I like Skynet oldcrons far more than space Egypt newcrons. If ever it appears the oldcrons are helping the Imperium it should leave everyone with more questions than answers. Talking necrons removed a lot of the mystery and with it, a big part of the threat

>>54933436
WE aren't getting a codex.

>>54933424
Boring Space Weebshit
Boring Space Elves
Boring Space Bugs
Do people genuinely find xenos cool somehow?

>>54933436
I don't think WE (or EC) are getting codex nor they really need one. They are pretty generic after all.

>>54933434
I think in this case "that guy" is the one trying to stop his friend from playing their fluffy WE list because "muh codex said no" (even if it didn't actually say no)

In 40k, death has ceased to be scary because life, (in all its decadence) has ceased to be worth living. Death in this instance is blessing; life, a curse.

So it is with this dark age of humanity.

>>54933463
No, you faggot.

>>54933429
Kek I've had no problem getting games so far. Stay mad imperiumcuck.

>>54933434
>dont be that guy
For what, for properly interpreting the rules? Codex only overrides datasheets, points costs and rules for the same stuff, did you even read GW article on the subject?

>>54933436
I'm sure the faction with 1 unit is sure to get it's own codex
yup. Absolutely

>>54933397
I dunno what GW wants to do with necrons
Trazyn is a meme. Tomb kings the original necrons were squatted without a care

>>54933480
Yes, you cunt.

>>54933481
I play Alpha Legion.

>>54933376
>>54933377
No, but their are more things that make a good opponent than not cheating.

Things like being somewhat sociable, bothering to paint your army, not being a WAAC piece of shit, ect. Their are plenty of people who don't cheat who I would rather not play against.

>>54933486
That's 2 units mate, Kharn and Beserkers.

>>54933449
[Citation needed]

>>54933457
They're cult legions, of course they will. Cult legions are not generic.

>>54933467

You sir, are full of shit.

>>54933463
But he can play a fluffy WE force just fine using the codex. There is literally no reason to use the index version that are troops unless he's fishing for free CP.

>>54933486
They said the about Thousand Sons and Death Guard kek

>>54933496
>alpha legion
Stay mad imperiumcuck

>>54933506
Why woukd they?

They are generic. Nothing sets them apart enough to justify a codex any more than folks like Raven Guard or Salamanders.

Hell, White Scars makes more sense.

>>54933503
Then you're a picky motherfucker and I fear for the day you decide to go to a tourny and panic when your opponents are picked randomly and not hand picked by you.

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>>54933455
>Do people genuinely find xenos cool somehow?
>t. Marinefag

>>54933348
CSM are a bunch of warlords that have been beating the shit out of each other in circlejerk Hell for ten thousand years. The ones that had scruples with doing less than anything to gain an advantage over their rivals are dead or absorbed into other warbands.

They could ally with another warband, conscript some prisoners, clone a toenail they found on the floor, fuck, they'd buy a Havoc off the street corner for two and half slaves if they had to. Who's going to tell them not to?

>>54933523
Don't be mad my Zerkers are better than yours.

>>54933515
You can also legally play a fluffy army without hindicapping yourself using the Army rules, which are not overwritten anywhere in the Codex.

>>54933515
How is using only 1 detachment fishing for CP? infact adding the troops gives no bonuses to CP whatsoever since again, it's all in the same detachment.

>>54933533
I don't go to tournaments because why the fuck would you want to try and play a game so dice dependent competitively?

>>54933504
wow now that's impressive
can't wait for the white scars codex so I know what to do with both Kor'sarro Khan -and- Kor'sarro Khan on Bike

>>54933486
>Khorne Terminators, new HQ, mortal cultist type unit, updated Berzerkers

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>Chaos Nurgle player spends his entire shooting phase shooting at just one of my wave serpents and he doesn't even destroy it.

>>54933536
>t. NPC
Marines run this shit know your place
It is at the bottom

>>54933523
unless they get Angron and a bunch of new models, you ain't getting shit hombre

>>54933548
Then why does it matter if they're elites or troops?

>>54933554
>I don't go to tournaments
Well then please shut the fuck up, and stop playing. No one should have to play against someone like you.

>>54933556
ah yes I forgot about all these new releases just around the KHorner that GW is jusy d y i n g to put out

>>54933526
Yes of course anon, Berzerkers and Noise Marines are exactly like any non-cult CSM, and Plague and Rubric marines were not exactly the same until GW started giving them more units.

Let's pretend to be retarded all night long.

>>54933537
>They could ally with another warband, conscript some prisoners, clone a toenail they found on the floor, fuck, they'd buy a Havoc off the street corner for two and half slaves if they had to. Who's going to tell them not to?
Nice headcanon. Maybe with your dudes, but don't pretend it's actual fluff.

>>54933538
>projecting
Delicious

>>54933583
Did you even read my idea?
1 Kharne, 9 berserker units. ffs that's what this whole thing has been about.

>>54933548
Because a Battalion detatchment is 3 cp but a Vanguard detachment is 1?

You guys are still arguing over that index rule that gave a troop option, but then the codex only offers them as elites thing, right? I've never seen a compelling argument for using the index rules, when the codex seems to cover it.

>>54933315

Being a considerate person generally makes you a good player I find. My first few games as Deldar in 8th I smashed my opponents with a mixed list no where near optimal, but they enjoyed the game and would like to play again. Then I tried a more competitive list and the opponent whinged the whole game and doesn't want to play me again.

Basically a good opponent knows the rules, isn't a Waacfag if you aren't and helps you with rules rather than waiting for you to make a mistake then not allowing you to rectify it, such as intentionally not reminding new players their warpsmith can repair vehicles or whatever.

>>54933609
When did a battalion detachment come into this? How would I even field it with only 1 hq?

>>54933582
>unless they get Angron
Bingo. We're apparently about to storm Terra with him at the helm, so you bet it.

>Chaos magically winning 3rd planet

That was lucky Chaos got their shit together after 4 weeks :^)

>Uh oh, better let Chaos have this planet or it'll be a confirmed win for the Imperium and no one will give a fuck anymore

>>54933626
I do get the feeling we're getting all 4 daemon primarchs.

>>54933587

Got news for you, most people who play don't go to tournaments.

So there, we have found someone who doesn't cheat that you wouldn't want to play against. Thanks for proving my point.

>>54933321
I can imagine that :(

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>>54933580
>t-I-don't-know-what-to-say-so-i-change-the-subject-lel-npcrace.

>Marines run this shit

yeah that's why there's a clown in GS telling imperiumfag what to do.

>>54933609
It's not the Troop entry itself, it was the 'World Eaters Army Rules' that allowed it.

>>54933572
With fucking what?

>>54933630
but they lost 3rd and on 4th GW gave them a huge headstart

>>54933642
If you don't go to tournaments you aren't exactly "playing", more like just fucking around with your plastic toys like we all did when we were 5.

>>54933580
>NPCs

Not anymore, that's Chaoscucks.

>>54933616
>crush someone
>they're hopeful you'll adjust to their level
>ups the WAACery and opponent loses interest
>wtf i no understand

>>54933605
>>54933622
Oh, I see... that just sounds retarded.

Just ask your opponent. If he says it's fine, go for it. Otherwise beg GW to address the rule in a FAQ, because for now the codex overwrites the index except for specific datasheets. If you feel it's an oversight, just hope they address it, but reading the rules as they are now, it's technically just not in the codex.

>>54933639
>4
Alright who are you saying doesn't count

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>>54933656

>>54933604
>Let's pretend to be retarded all night long.
lol

>>54933649
Are World Eaters included in the CSM codex, or do people have a reason to suspect they will get their own codex eventually?

>>54933647
Enjoying the new releases NPC? Oh wait you can't even use any of it

>>54933656
Don't be like cheetahfag anon

>>54933678
they are in the codex these people just havent read it or the facebook post by gw that said that they lack of them being troops was intended.

>>54933656
>"playing", more like just fucking around with your plastic toys like we all did when we were 5.
But anon, that is called playing.

>>54933656

I sort of feel this way but also think it's too early to be joining the tournament scene for 8th, considering it's just "this unit is efficient and cheap I will take 200 of them". Granted the codex release didn't skew power rankings as much as I thought it would but Yeah, I don't fancy playing against ultramarines all day.

>>54933668
There's Angron, Fulgrim, Magnus and Mortarion. The other traitor primarchs didn't get daemon prince since they didn't worship a specific god.

>>54933678
they're in the CSM codex
they won't be getting their own one, not in 8th anyway
maybe some kind of supplement if they get angron but that'll probably just be a datasheet

>>54933692
Lorgar and Perturabo canonically do in the new CSM codex.

>>54933688
>the facebook post by gw that said that they lack of them being troops was intended.
Got a link/screencap of that? I'd love to see this argument closed down, since it comes up everyday now for some reason.

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>>54933692
haha ok

>>54933664

I completely understood and it was the same guy, I've toned down my lists again but wanted to see how I'd do competitively. I gave him some advice before the game on making his list more competitive aswell. Should note he doesn't want to play til he gets a codex, not ever again.

>>54933698
Which gods have them DP? Tzeentch?

>>54933700
that's carnac for ya

>>54933700
Please you know they'll say facebook doesn't count when it's against their interpretation

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>>54933681
>>t-I-don't-know-what-to-say-so-i-change-the-subject-again.

Good good.

>>54933711
>Should note he doesn't want to play til he gets a codex, not ever again.
Sounds like a scrub

>>54933715
There are undivided DPs.

>>54933715
They're princes of Undivided
>inb4 Carnac

>>54932470
Old is best.

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>>54933715
All of them.

>>54933684
I'd rather face a cheater than a coward who's won't show his face at tournaments.

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>>54933700

>>54933737
I honestly would have preferred a remake of the old one using modern production and scaling than the one we got.

What are the different factions players like around you?
Marines make the broadest people, some well adjusted
Orks are cool people
Admech are WAAC
Tau chill
Chaos not really present

>>54933743
>>54933734
>>54933733
>b-b-but muh Be'lakor

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>>54933746

>>54933724
>doesn't understand he's too irrelevant to take seriously

>>54933734
>>54933743
The index Chaos lore says only Be'lakor among the brotherhood of daemon princes that doesn't have a single master.

Sorry, people, you don't get to ruin the backstory of an established character like that.

>>54933718
Fuck I missed another meme
Explain Carnac to a retard like me

>>54933775
Just as fucking predicted lol

>>54933604
Well, all Death Guard are plague marines because they went this journey through the warp and all TS are sorcerers or dust zombies. There's no source of genesteed - plague marines' geneseed is rotten and rubricae have no genesteed, not to mention they were made only once and no new rubrics appear.

That being said, EC always had some normal marines - not all are noise marines. As for WE - it's unclear if all WE are actually berzerkers, also they are victims of brain surgery, not some cosmic chaos event that affects a legion as a whole. Really, I don't think WE and EC need their own dex. They just need their cult marines as troops and maybe getting appropriate daemons without loosing their legion trait. Something like Khorne Daemonkin.

>>54933775
And yet the newer CSM codex says he's not. Fuck off, Carnac.

>>54933778
Your time and brainpower is better spent elsewhere

>>54933779
I will always be here for you, anon <3

This thread now belongs to Khorne.

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>>54933258
My two haven't done that badly. Can't help with the shooty ones, but I've found that a couple of Dragoons in a unit is annoyingly hard to remove when they're sprinting all over the place slamming into shooty units and low S melee hordes and basical acting as riot control. Ideally you want them to be just annoying enough for your opponent to turn his heavy AT on them, at which point they've kept the heat off your Kastelans and Dunecrawlers for a turn. Last game I ran them they spent most of it bullying a big squad of Bloodletters, slamming in, killing a few here and there and repeatedly forcing them to fall back to keep them away from my lines. Also when they die and possibly explode, more kills for you.

I think that they could probably use either a damage buff or a bit of a points drop given they're quite expensive for screening bullet magnets, but they're not unusable by any means.

>>54933773
>seriously
Nope, i'm just bored. waiting to get home and finished off my solitaire conversion at home.

>>54933783
>They just need their cult marines as troops
No
>maybe getting appropriate daemons without loosing their legion trait
Yeah ok

>>54933639
Really? So Lorgar and Perturabo please.

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Hey guys, just got my lord of change in the mail today, the only other stuff I've built and transported are the start collecting tzeentch box, any suggestions for a noob about how to go about such a large/complex model?

>>54933800
Damn you nearly made me fall asleep there npc

>>54933813
You're a little late on that's post kid.

>>54933784
Be'lakor is not mentioned in the CSM codex and I highly doubt that they changed anything about him. The CSM seems be shoddily written I mean look at the Alpha Legion section. It doesn't mention Omegon. the real reason the AL fell, or how Alpha died.

I m afraid this debate isn't over until we get the daemon codex to tell us what's the deal about Be'lakor.

>>54933673
Who are those strange creatures? And why they keep an ape?

>>54933604
What? Infiltrating Berzerkers are best?

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>>54933264
Guerilla Miniatures Games and Gaming with the Cooler do some decent batreps. Ash's voice isn't especially annoying either.

>>54933286
>>54933300
>>54933326
Thanks for the input. I have some Penitent Engine parts lying around, been thinking of converting up a few janky Striders for the look of the thing. Probably going to go with the lascannon models then, I've got a few spares from my old Land Raider kits lying about as well.

>>54933315
>Actually, that brings up a good point. What do people thing is a good indicator of a decent player to go against?
Look for someone who's talking to their opponents, and has a mostly-painted army that still shows signs of giving a shit. Ask other people in the shop who they like to play against. Hang around on a Saturday afternoon and let it be known you're wanting to learn the ropes; watch a few guys play. Be nice, don't sperg out, and remember to ask if there's something you're forgetting or apologize if you have to look shit up.

>>54933761

CSM whiney as fuck
SM chill as fuck and knowledgeable*
ADmech/Guard WAAC as fuck
Tau normalfag as fuck
Nids fun as fuck but rarely plays
GK Waac supreme
Necron hasn't played in over a year #fluffy
Eldar retired upon 8th
Dark Eldar smug as fuck with being strong**
*Does not include the 1 space wolves player who is an oldfag who hates everything
**Is me

>>54933828
Alpha Legion fell because they wanted actual challenges and wanted to prove they were the best.

That's it.

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>>54933828

>the deal

since you need it so bad

>>54933828
And it still won't change them saying all the patrons of Lorgar elevated him.

>>54933775
>ruin the backstory
What backstory? "He might do something significant like metaphorically crown abbadon one day oooooOOOOOOoooooOOOOoooooo"? Be'lakor has done fuck all in 40k, he's an utterly pointless character in this setting. Fucking lorgar has done more in the last 10,000 years than be'lakor, and he's just been crying in his room.

>>54933860
Actually some Cabal were involved, a lot of backstabbing, and some about trying to prove a point to Dorn.

>>54933751
Well, that answers that.

>>54933859
>ADmech/Guard WAAC as fuck
Lol
Why are they prone to being stealth assholes

>>54933828
Be'lakor is an irrelevant cuckold who only has
>8
>wounds

>>54933775
Except we can say the same for Lorgar and Pert, who were established before Be'lakor.

So fuck off.

>>54933761
>>54933859
When did AdMech become WAAC? Is it the Kastelanfags that keep coming into the threads?

>>54933859
>CSM whiney as fuck

Typical
Campaign must've torn him apart

>>54933874
Cabal is BL non core canon.

>>54933751
>berserkers are elites in the new codex
But he doesn't say you can't use the troops datasheet from the index.

>>54933814
Shouldn't be too tricky, the instructions are normally quite clear. Just take your tone and have fun. The only things I can suggest for tips is that you can use blutac or something similar to get an idea of how it'll look before gluing it properly, and with some models it's easier to paint it in two or three components rather than as a whole. Dunno about that specific model though.

>>54933870
It will. If Be'lakor was restated to be the only Undivided Child of the Gods, it automatically means that Lorgar and Pert are singular. It would then jut mean that the Chaos Gods had a council and played a game over who gets them.

>>54933871
That's untrue. For example, Be'lakor manipulated several Black Crusade and their outcomes. Lorgar did nothing but sit in his chambers for 10K years. Lorgar deserves nothing.

>>54933893
Turns out admech is the secondary army of Taudar

>>54933883

No idea, the ADmech player also plays guard, Elysian and Death Korp. He used that order that changes all weapons to assault and threw 2 types of grenades and lasguns with all his dudes against a guy who promptly told him if he was gonna play like that he wouldn't play him (both friends of mine). They never made it past the first turn.

>>54933910
There is no Troops datasheet.

>>54933814
Build small, cheap model first before going for big one.

Scrap off mold line. This could take very long so take your time. I like to cut out all the parts from the sprue and scrap the mold line all at once, but make sure to note them (part number/or sort them into group (like wings/body/pair of hand.etc...) so you won't be confused later.

If you use plastic glue, be careful not to apply too much or spill it over the model because they can eat up detail. Also don't touch the model if you had glue on your finger.

>>54933761
Lots and lots of powergaming CSM tards
A few powergaming SM tards
Some Taufag who is my main opponent, gets buttmad when he loses but its otherwise ok
Lots of jesus fucking unholy ugly Eldar players
One necron guy who builds broken as fuck lists for fun

>>54933487
And they were weirdly squatted too. Their sphinx and statue models were new and popular. Settra is still an aos lore character. I really dont understand why TK arent part of death or even have settra replace archaon like they hinted and have chaos skellies.

>>54933860
>>54933874
As splintered as the AL purposely kept their structure all those reasons and more are legitimate reason for individuals to fall.

>Konor website says Voldus is in the US area
What happens if I field Voldus in the UK ROW area? Do I get sued by the GW NKVD?

>>54933904
There is no such thing.

>>54933888
Lorgar and Pert are not important to the setting's narrative. For the longest time they were just background characters doing nothing while Be'lakor was getting stuff done. He is more established than him and being impeded in Abaddon's plotlines makes him infinitely more relevant.

>>54933918
Oh wow
Actually doing the assault frag thing? Damn FW writing

>>54933916
No it wouldn't, thats your headcanon to protect your waifu.

>>54933955
>Be'lakor was getting stuff done.
Like getting stomped all over by Ahriman? lol
>8 fucking wounds

>>54933913
Duncan-senpai will help me with painting

>>54933926
I've done a ton of horrors and screamers and all other manner of daemon stuff, I was curious as to if the large models required a different technique or just "same thing but bigger"

>>54933955
than them*

>>54933916
Lorgar is an infinitely more interesting character than Be'lakor. Deal with it.

>>54933967
>I was curious as to if the large models required a different technique or just "same thing but bigger"
For guys like that not really, some vehicles with large flat surfaces are a bit different though

>>54933965
It was a ruse. Be'lakor was laughing when he delivered the information to Ahtiman.

>>54933964
It will. There can only be one Undivided. Lorgar and Pert are not unique enough to earn the Mark on Undivided when the entire setting was purged of it save for dear old Be'lakor.

>>54933994
>pretending

>>54933955
>Lorgar and Pert are not important to the setting's narrative.

Its sad you believe this.

>>54933967
>I was curious as to if the large models required a different technique or just "same thing but bigger"
You have to be a little more careful about smooth coverage and vary up your tones a bit more; also, adding a shitload fo tiny details can really badly muddy-up a big model

So North America already jobbing at Konor? kek those chaos guys always making my morning

>>54933994
>you defeated me?
>just as planned!
So be'lakor was a daemon prince of tzeentch all along. Thanks for admitting it finally.

>>54933994
Lorgar and Perturabo might have all marks, just like Abby...

If you got your models on top of the walls (wobbly model) of the Imperial Bastion, can you still be charged?

>>54933994
Except Lorgar did. We were told so. Deal with it.

>>54934016
>North America
>in the middle of a warp storm
>chaos still looses

Fucking hilarious.

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Berzerkers as troops was a special rule for World Eaters in the Index.

The codex gives new rules for World Eaters, therefore superseding the Index rules.

Therefor Berzerkers cannot be taken as troops.

>but my datasheet

Only usable with an index World Eaters army, which no longer exists.

>>54934004
>Be'lakor carries Abaddon to being the Chaos ascendant
>Pert does little thing on the side and Lorgar does nothing.

Anyone who doesn't believe this is biased. Be'lakor is the Herald of the End Times that will usher the hand that will end the setting. Those two knuckleheads are just trophies for the gods.

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>>54932313

>>54934028
not unless they cant get their model within an inch of yours, vertical distance is counted

The idea that there is no chaos undivided is retarded. There is plenty of roiling, unformed chaos energy flying around in the immaterium. The 4 gods dont split up and ""control"" chaos as a whole. Im sure there are plenty of chaos worshippers who use this unbound chaos to power themselves. The gods are more like extreme ends of the spectrum

>>54934049
If they physically can't get within an inch, they can't charge? Some people claim wobbly model.

>>54933924
Are you autism?

>>54934048
>why is the roof blue?
>it's the sky
>the what?
Hiveborn yokel marines best marines.

>>54934024
The mark of Abaddon is the Chaos Ascendant. It'ss a unique one meant for the ultimate champion of the Gods.

Be'lakor has on his manly chest the Mark of Undivided. So far the only one n existence. It shows that he is beholden to all four Gods of Chaos.

>>54934029
And we will be told (again) that Be'lakor is the one and only. Dude curb your bias. Lorgar loses nothing if he isn't Undivided.

>>54934046
Be'lakor is a late irrelevent retcon, Pert and Lorgar are daemon primarchs.

No one cares about your waifu.

>>54934059
if he could put the model up there but it would just fall down then you could claim wobbly model, but if there isnt space for it then no.

>>54934082
>late
>2 editions old

Suuuuuuuurree. Daemon Primarchs are daemon princes.

>>54934065
There isn't. Its a rule that says for a WE army they are troops. Thats not a datasheet.

>>54934082
yeah, it's kinda funny, that pretty young daemon primarchs are killing machines, dwarfing even greater daemons, while the first daemon prince ever is a fucking manlet with 8 wounds.

>>54934068
>what's that white fluffy thing floating around in the "sky"?
>that's called a cloud
>clouds cover the entire planet and are highly toxic, stupid

>>54934092
So a unit that is, say, on top of a wall that is over 1" in height and no space for other models, the unit is immune to charging?

>>54933761

In my area :

Deathwatch (me) plays fluffy and looses most of the time

CSM tards are always pissed by everything,half of them are WAAC beyong limits, it's so boring.

SM : Mostly young players trying to get into the game, some of them are also WAACfags

Tau/Eldar : One third left, and half have changed for others factions

Guards : Only two players, previously Taudar, WAAC and cocky I hate them

Dark Eldar : Chill

Necron : Only knew one guy playing them in my area, He quits at the beginning of the 8th

Overall my area is shitty...

All these people whining about 120pts of cultist tax for their stupid cult units in a battallion. Just deal with it you slags. Cultists are superior ObSec to your stupid zerkers anyway with Tide of Traitors

>>54934094
in the index, which is not valid anymore because the codex came out.

>>54934071
Yes, he does. He loses a lot.

And then we'd have conflicting unresolved fluff, not a conclusive answer.

>>54934111
Lucky, the only DE player in my meta is a WAAC edgelord.

>>54934111
what is with this fucking formatting

>>54934093
2 editions is nothing.

They're still better. Could pulp him too.

>>54934118
Correct. That was my point.

>>54934098
The Chaos Gods nerfed him. Each time the gods raise a new daemon prince Be'lakor loses a portion of his power and gifts.

And so Be'lakor goes around destroying daemon princes and champions. Also there is a plotline about Be'lakor using an admech guy to collect all his items of power that he lost during his travels and conquests across the galaxy. Once the admech gathers them all, Be'lakor will reclaim that portion of his lost power and erase all evidence of his existence.

So it's pretty much confirmed that Be'lakor will get new stats at some point in the future.

>>54933965
if I had to guess, he has 8 wounds so that he can hide behind other models and cant be targeted with shooting
Like how Girlyman has 9 for this reason

>>54934121
>And then we'd have conflicting unresolved fluff, not a conclusive answer.

I am okay with that for now until the daemon codex arrives breaks the tie in my favour or yours.

Can enemies move through your fortifications e.g. get up your Skyshield?

>>54934140
>and erase all evidence of his existence
Christ, I hope he succeeds in that quest soon.

>>54934140
Belakor is currently shit but I would love codex "shadow empire" with a bunch of the chaos xenos he used to rule over. After all current armies get codexes of course.

>>54934154
Yes

>>54934124

As a dark eldar player it's a fine line to tread between waac and gimped in his defence. Ravagers, flyers, venoms, scourges, mandrakes are all amazing whereas coven and cult units are underwhelming or overpriced trash. Not to mention all the HQs are a bit crappy.

I've even started running Reapers instead of the ravagers to take away my assault lances and to randomize my shots over consistency and tried to cap my venoms to 4, dark lances to 15 per list in an effort to not demolish people.

>>54934110
effectively, yes

>>54934110
I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND ANAKIN

>>54934169
Where does it say this?

>>54934175
My playgroup seems convinced that there's no such thing as immunity to charging. You can wobbly model a unit so that it's scaling the wall.

>>54934166
Nah. I hope he gets squatted. Or soft squatted. Just never brought up except to job and crown Abaddon then fade.

>>54934093
>late
>2 editions old

Yes? 2 editions is only a little older than Primaris.