Legend of the Five Rings General: Kiku Matsuri Now

As always I hope pheonix and crab get BTFO.

I'm currently experimenting with a crane control deck that focuses on having a lot of honored characters and am in a three-way bind on who to splash

1. Pheonix for kimonos and pacifism. Giving me more ways to honor easy combos with spies as court and savy politician

2. Scorpion for edicts and burning madness for more event denial and easier triggering of my stronghold

3. Dragon for attachment control and stealth from let go

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Its starting for the record. Complete with a whole procession of clan banners in

>>54921197
Let Go is just too fucking useful to pass up unless you have a specific plan for other cards in other clans I feel, desu fampai.

That being said Crane/scorpion seems almost OP

Katrina is so fucking tiny

Good Scorpion woman

STREAM WHEN?

>>54920802
Hell Yeah! Go go Unicorn!

>>54921908
Opening ceremony stream is done, are they going to stream the tournament though? Its going to be like a five hour stretch. I figured they might just post results after each round

>>54921941
You guys sadly are most likely to get fucked, finicky clan to play with a bunch of new people to the game? Just hope that the story result they pick for you is the get investigated one, not the get fucked one.

REMEMBER TO TWEET ALL THE SWEET HASHTAGS, MY FELLOW Legend of the Five Rings(tm) FANS! #kikumatsuri #craneclan

>>54921985
You're not my twitter supervisor! I spammed on behalf of Phoenix

>>54921952
I recognize we are screwed over but I just really hope that the clan is given the interesting choice

>>54921952
I understand why they're doing it, but it still sucks that the competition to determine the first Hatamoto is single core. Especially when the clan whose shit is on the line apparently sucks the most in that format.

Unicorn tears are delicious. Their fiction was all about the entire Empire bending to the Unicorn instead of adapting. The first story point proves the opposite. The Unicorn will adapt to the Empire.

>>54922034
Phoenix are honestly probably the worst with one core

>>54922122
They are so janky that you have to have them as a splash

>>54921944
Livestream at twitch slash dodgepong

(don't know how to post the link without 4chan thinking it's spam)

>>54922198
I checked, its streaming some guys over and over again.

>>54922221
Looks live to me, but I've not watched it for particularly long.

It's live but nothing interesting it happening. Unless you count a disembodied female voice as exciting.

>>54922071
Im sure making the clan whose main feature is being different less different wont piss off its fans and negativity affect the game at all

>>54922378
All the clans are different from one another. Unicorn's differences are often superficial and serve no purpose. Meishodo for example, has no appreciable distinction from typical magic. It's all in the fluff.

>>54922423
It's also not like they're going to remove meishodo entirely. If it gets banned, that's a recipe for conflict. If it gets shared, most clans are incapable of using it anyway.

>>54922423
How are they superficial, and how do they serve no purpose?

>>54922423
>Meishodo not different enough

Play the rpg with a proper ST and come again.

>>54921239
What about crane/scorp seems really good to you? Getting like 3 false edicts for infinite event denial?

>>54922491
>B-b-but they cast spells slightly differently!

All the clans do. All clans cast spells with gimmicks. The Soshi cast spells wordlessly, which is a terrifying prospect if you think about it. The Kitsu's magic might technically be necromancy. Unicorn's gimmick is that it's just gaijin magic (that shares design space in 4e with not only the Asahina, but is also very similar to the Agasha and Tamori) which everyone is somehow okay with for no real reason, despite the setting's rampant xenophobia.

I'm glad the old fluff's inconsistencies are being confronted, as it's giving verisimilitude to the setting.

>>54922348
>Unless you count a disembodied female voice as exciting.

>He's never gotten off the Enterprise computer
God what kind of deviant are you

>>54922496
Yeah given how powerful events are in several other clans, the Crane have some native options and Scorpion open even more up. Attachments and characters themselves still retain value but it denies one of the fruitful avenues of game shaping to them.

GAMES STARTING BOYYYYYS

>>54922858
What's the matchup?

>>54922875
Phoenix (Keeper/Void) vs Scorp (?/Earth)

>>54922858
There somewhere the winnings will ve tracked? I'm real curious to see how this finally looks in player hands at an event

TO's voice keeps cracking

>>54922858
Where's it being streamed, the official livestream or the twitch link?

>>54923109
dodgepong on Twitch is the only one I know of

>>54923133
The Phoenix player is teaching the Scorpion player wrong about splash cards

>>54923178
Yeah he's misremembering a mechanic from the old game. Surely the coming rounds will involve competent players... surely.

>>54923197
Didn't they get an hour to read the rules before this?

>>54923228
Good guy camera guy

>>54923228
Its a big rulebook, and neither of them have played the game prior, so mistakes are to be expected

why is the phoenix player such a chunky daddy

>>54923264
>Its a big rulebook

It's 20 pages

>>54923496
Still, it's a pretty complex game. There's a lot to get wrong. I'm surprised there have been so few mistakes. Their playing slow as hell, but this is probably the first time they've ever seen the cards.

>>54922697
What's your point? What does every clan having unique spells have to do with meishodo not being "different enough," when it seems clear that it is different, just like every other clan-specific school of spells.

And you listed the reasons why people would be okay, if a little weary, of meishodo, because of its similarities to shit people already did and continue to do.

>>54923624
>And you listed the reasons why people would be okay, if a little weary, of meishodo, because of its similarities to shit people already did and continue to do.

No, there are gigantic fluff reasons why Meishodo should be treated with heavy suspicion. It's gaijin magic that doesn't use the Kami. This is important because, while the other clans have gimmicks, they still all operate off of the same fundamental principals: you pray to the elemental spirits and they cast spells for you. But let's turn it around. Justify to me why the Unicorn should be allowed to continue to use Meishodo despite its gaijin origins, unscathed.

The present guys on the twitch seem more capable than the last set.

>>54924538
They've already been through one game and get the general idea now.

Anyone got a recap/VoD of the Kiku ceremony? It happened at fucking 2am here in aussie land.

>>54925954
its on their facebook page

Crab (Keeper/Earth) v Scorp (Keeper/Air) on stream

>>54926161
Dishonor doesn't hit Crab as hard as others, they might have an advantage. Especially if the guy gets one of their good defensive effects on the table early

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MIKE
MIKE
MIKE
MIKE

Scorp cheating... kek

>>54926563
A true Scorpion if I ever saw one

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>>54926588
MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKE

>pulling a non-clan 'way of'
>on stream

JOHN JOHN JOHN JOHN

>>54926737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxmpZBuiuf4

>>54926536
>>54926599

Which Mike? Last name? We have a local Scorpion player named Mike who cheats outrageously, and he's at GenCon.

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>>54926853

>>54926875

Damn. Not him.

What exactly did Not-My-Mike do?

>>54927025
He misplayed a card's effect. Apparently this shit for that card has been going on all day. People need to read their fucking cards better.

>>54927044
This is why having tournaments immediately as the players get the cards is a bad idea.

>>54921127

Are those steel feathers?

>>54926536

[ACTIVATE IT]

>>54927071

Not an excuse. Cheating is cheating, and I hope FFG bans him for life.

>>54927236
If they are, that's honestly not too bad an idea for head decorations. Tame compared to some real ones, really.

>>54927236
They look like spear or dagger blades to me.

Dragon (Keeper/Fire) vs Crab (Keeper/Earth) on stream

>>54927575
RIP Unicorn, hopefully somebody played it today.

>>54927591
Playing gaijin...

I think that was the first match we've seen that actually had a winner in normal game terms rather than time running out.

>>54928010
I think the last one did too, but they came close

>all these crab
> no fucking Lion or Unicorn on stream ever

Welp looks like Crab determine all our story for the next year or so

>>54928270
>comparing a 30 card singleton format to a 40 card playset format
>comparing a choose your own role card format to a set role card format
>comparing a playerbase that even the best is basically a novice to the game to a stable and solved metagame
>implying that people who enjoy playing crab somehow fit cleanly into a box of like minded individuals who will always vote along party lines when there's no incentive to whatsoever.

>>54928305
Half the guys who are 4-0 right now have been practicing on TTS for months and made the mod in the fucking first place. 8/10 bait since I replied

>>54928270
Probably just until November when we get to the first big 40-card tournament.

>>54928365
You didn't refute a single one of my points. Stay scrubby.

>>54928405

lrn2read

>comparing a playerbase that even the best is basically a novice to the game to a stable and solved metagame

I literally just said that half of the 4-0 guys are TTS veterans.

>>54928475
1) This 30 card deck format isn't the format that following competitive events will be using. Saying Crab is strong in 30 cards is like saying Green is strong in EDH. True, but ultimately doesn't prove anything about other formats.
2) "TTS Veteterns" have been playing in a small pond the last few months. Yes, they're more familiar with the cards than other people, but they are by no means anywhere near as good as they potentially can be. We have yet to see how metagames will de

I stopped typing because you're obviously too fucking stupid to be worth the effort

>>54928475
I think he's implying that even having practiced for months is equivalent to being a novice. Depends on your definition of "novice" I guess.

>>54928475

The game is still in its infancy, and people are still getting a feel for things - even those with massive TTS experience.

Look how long it took post launch for things like Sligh in magic or Anatomy of an Anarach in netrunner. It'll take a while for the community to really grok the game.

>>54928549
Hell, I've heard several good comments about Wandering Ronin on the stream, and the L5R Discord is really down on that card

Crane (Seeker(??)/Air) vs Scorp (Seeker/Air) on stream

>>54928581
I've seen the stream saying some really dumb things. A moment ago they where talking about how Assassination shouldn't be usable in conflicts, or how it would wreck Hisada(?).

Has there been any cranes on stream yet?

>>54928642
>>54928626

confirmed on stream:
the scorp player who went 4-0 so far still doesn't know how to mulligan.

>>54928716
I wouldn't either, too used to mulliganing being shuffling back your whole hand, not poker-style replacing however many cards you want.

I'm kind of pulling for the Scorpion guy, it must sting to be on the edge of making Hatomoto and look like you might not get it.

>>54929282
The Crane is a full province ahead and given the slow play from the Scorp this is 100% gonna go to time.

>>54929314
Would Crane guy also make Hatomoto?

>>54929594
yes, whoever wins this gets hatamoto

>>54929594
Yes. It's Swiss. Both of these men are 4-0. There will be 22 Hatamoto unless something incredibly weird happened.

>they just called time
>barely moved an inch since the last round
>crane is a full province ahead with the favor

christ.

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THE SLOW PLAY PAYS OFF.

LE DECEPTIVE SCORP HATAMOTO OF NOT KNOWING WHAT RINGS DO!

>>54929665
>>54929771
Does honorable crane win or decietful scorp of slow play and cheat?

>>54930182
Scorp won.

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Day 1 Hatamoto

>>54930381
GET FUCKED PONIES

I actually like Unicorn but feel like them getting their shit wrecked sooner in the story is probably for the best to let us see how FFG is going to handle major story shifts. Sorry guys, you're a sacrifice

>>54930381
Sorry Unicorn. On the other hand, that's a shitload of Dragon.

It's worth remembering at this point that clan allegiance doesn't necessarily correlate with vote intention for this choice though. I could see Phoenixes voting to keep Meishodo (if only to keep the political situation from spiraling into shit) or Unicorns voting for making it illegal (particularly angry FUCK YOU NON-UNICORN Kamoko types)

>>54930487
If Unicorn got a vote!

>>54930498
You know what I mean.

Poor Unicorn though, I don't even rep them and this has to sting.

>>54930381
I sure am glad Unicorn don't get to decide whether or not they basically lose a type of card for the foreseeable future.

Edict is: NO BAN

You've doomed us all Dragon

>>54930536
Perfectly in character. Yokuni WANTS shit to go tits-up in order to clean house.

>>54930536
Get fucked Phoenix, no establishing precedent to go after every vaguely heretical spell discipline for you.

>>54930572
This is all well and good, but Smokeless Fire showed us that the visions Kaede had were real. So something is going to happen with meishodo and the Unicorn eventually.

>>54930617
Plot twist, they use meishodo to lock a rampaging djinn away

>>54930617
Or something is going to happen with Kaede, since the story ended with the Dragon ambassador giving her a cold stare.

>>54930655
The ambassador was a Kitsuki, so he probably caught her spacing out and freaking.

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hotaru porn where

>>54930854
don't tempt the drawfags.

>>54930884
That's the idea!

Investigate win the vote apparently, looks like everyone decided to take mercy on the zero rep ponies

>>54931163
Though we don't know the distribution of the vote, would be interesting to see how clans voted, or if people didn't vote along clan lines.

>>54931188
Heard Dragon voted as a bloc against banning, and had planned it in the lead-up.

>>54931204

Scorpions sold their votes in favor of the ponies.

>>54931312
Eh, I guess they'll fluff it as the Unicorn now owing the Scorpion a big favor, even if the Scorps only had two votes to the Dragon's eight.

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>Leave tab for last thread open
>Find out I missed a chance to join a lewd L5R game

God dammit. Now I'll never be able to do lewd things with my curvy Scorpion shinobi waifu. Why is the idea of lewd L5R so damn appealing? It sucks cause I've run one before, but trying to find one to play in is nearly impossible.

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Why is there no love for the obviously best clan?

>>54932697
Yokuni sure loves squatting on high ledges for some reason. He does it on the LCG card too.

You know what this reminds me of? The Race for the Throne.

>>54934796
I never understood why Hantei left his clan to rot in the old timeline.
Of all the original kami, he seems the one that did the least.

>>54933812

He's sneeki breeki.

>>54927530
Blond or not?

>>54932293
It's because half the game is drama, politics, and screwing someone over, which goes hand in hand with screwing someone.

Honest to God questions
1) How do you get into this game?
2) How high is the entry price to get into this game?

Never in my life I've played any CCG

>>54931188
I was there; Lion and Phoenix voted as a bloc to ban, everyone else voted to investigate. Final vote was 14 to 8.

>>54935720
Figures

>Phoenix
>REEEEE FOREIGN MAGICS REEEEEEEE

>Lion
>Fuck Magic
>Gotta keep that Kaede/Toturi fucking going
>Already at war with Unicorn

>>54935612
1) Wait until October 5th for it to release.
2) Depends on how deep you want to get into it. It's 40 per core set, so either 80 or 120 bucks depending on how much you would like a playset of each card. There are no booster packs, so the cost to get in is entirely flat. After that they'll be releasing (likely) 6 expansions, once a month, that cost 15 bucks each and will contain a playset of all contained cards.

>>54935612
Its not a CCG, its an LCG
It releases in about a month.
The Core Set is $40 and comes with at least 1 of every card. FFG says you'll need 3 coresets for a playset of every card

After that, each new set that comes out is $15 and comes with a playset of every card.

So the price point to get into the game is literally paying the cost of printing the cards themselves.

Aside from promos, there are no 'rare' cards or secondary market value, nothing ever goes up in price.

>>54934852
... You realise Hantei died in 45, after fighting Fu Leng in 42, right? He set up an entire empire that could mostly function, was there for Fu Leng's first scrap, then died.

>>54935720
*The unicorn will remember that.

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/d0/5e/d05ebe51-e750-4c22-8e69-44e52ed68c12/kiku_matsuri_postludea.pdf

new story

>>54935797
I was more talking about celestial support. Then I realised that beyond Shiba, Shinjo and Togashi, none of the other kamis ever made any direct impact again on any of their descendants.

>>54935832
>she would be considered traitor to her people

Wtf is this backward logic. Also, how entitled can a clan be to think that they don't need to undergo the same procedure as everyone else.

>>54935852
Each of the Kami has given ancestral guidance to those they deem worthy, however few that might be. Just because the details are only ever mentioned in passing or incidentally doesn't mean they don't happen.

>>54927279
Fun note: A player was caught openly cheating during qualifiers for worlds in X-Wing, an FFG game. He won the game, mostly because of the move he cheated with, and was given a warning.

The year before that, a player was caught drawing an extra card per turn in Conquest, another FFG game. He was given a warning.

>>54935923
No other clans undergo this sort of thing. Because everyone else uses Kami magic, whatever secret techniques they develop are theirs to keep.

Still, it's really funny to see the Unicorn demand tolerance in one fiction only to immediately be shown as not any better than the other clans in terms of "us vs them"-ness.

>>54929771
> This motherfucker
I should've known. He's actually local to where I am, and has been playing Scorpion since forever. He's stated (to our playgroup, nowhere online) that anything underhanded he does to get scorpion wins into the canon is fluffy, because that's how scorpion work.

>>54935982

Pretty sure they've been blacklisted anon

>>54936009
If he can do fluffy things that give him an advantage, then it should be ok to bring a katana to threaten his pinkies with, Wick style.

>>54936031
Ah, but he's never technically breaking the rules - as is shown in his play on stream, where things went very slowly until he suddenly and quickly moved for the win in a way his opponent could not counter, due to time.

>>54936052
He never moved quickly, actually. The Crane conceded after time was called because he realized he would lose to the Scorp's counterpunch according to the tiebreak rules. Still, slow play is considered a rule violation in most competitive games exactly for this reason, and I hope they release comprehensive competitive rules soon.

>>54936052
I haven't heard anything specific in the rules about removing pinkies.

Do any of the books cover owning a pet? I noticed you can have a cat or dog as part of your traveling pack but am I allowed to bring it to court with me? Do I have to leave it in my room all day or can it wander around the garden and beg for snacks from the other guests?

>>54935982
how was he cheating?

>>54936300
1E had rules for falconry, and I guess there's the Lion beastmasters but not sure about anything regarding pet ownership.

>>54936578
He changed one of his dials as the turn was playing out. You're not allowed to touch the dials after you've set them.

>>54932705
I want to get enlightened with Korimi!

>>54936637
wow seems like not something you would do by accident - how was he caught ?

>>54936663
He happened to be on stream that match iirc.

>>54936300
You're probably expected to not take your pet with you to court. That said, playing a Crab/Moto/Badger/Other, I totally do take my dog with me.

>>54936715
You know, you really shouldn't refer to your wife like that.

>>54936715
Luckily my gm has given me the ok to bring a cat. I just have to make sure the scorpion doesn't feed it poisoned sushi

>>54936750
Is that something you think they'd do? Just kill animals for no purpose?

>>54936765
Petty as fuck Scorpion do exist, anon.

>>54936765
Particularly if I do something to piss them off.

>>54936725
That's ok, I was only talking about yours.

>>54936663

Sure you can. You think about it over and over in the back of your mind, vacillating between two options, and you settle on one while thinking about other things and set it. Then you look down a little while later and you picked the "wrong" one (also the one you didn't intend to do, curse you absentmindedness), and in the meantime you are more confident about what the "right" one was, and you make corrections.

It's perfectly understandable, but the mechanism to allow it also opens up a lot of abuses so sucks to be him.

>>54936847

The way to get around that problem is to announce *everything*. It's autist, but it helps.

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>>54936827
You must have been honored to accompany her to court then. She's always been famed for her compasionate nature.

>>54936847
>You think about it over and over in the back of your mind, vacillating between two options, and you settle on one while thinking about other things and set it. Then you look down a little while later and you picked the "wrong" one (also the one you didn't intend to do, curse you absentmindedness).

And you suck it up. Once you have dialed in an option and set it down, you've locked it in. If it's a friendly game and you've moved right when you where meant to move left - and it's obvious you where meant to move left - then maybe your opponent will let you fix that mistake. But in a competitive game once you've locked in your choice, that's it.

Anything else is, at best, deliberate self-deception.

>>54936007
Didn't the previous state that the Hidden guard has specific details on all schools of the clans?
Meishodo not being based on kamis makes it all the worse. How can the guard defend against something that works on completely different principles?

>>54937096
>Didn't the previous state that the Hidden guard has specific details on all schools of the clans?
No. If they have information on all schools and their techniques, it was gained through observation rather than forcing masters to teach them.

>Meishodo not being based on kamis makes it all the worse. How can the guard defend against something that works on completely different principles?

Hence the plot.

>>54937096
>>54937120
It's similar to how the Seppun have knowledge of the Lion and Crane bushi schools. It doesn't mean they actually have the techniques.

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>>54937096

Which is why it should be investigated, not banned outright. By virtue of making it open for study, the Hidden Guard is more capable of developing a defense against it. It sounds parodoxical, but this is the best way to actually defend the Empire; if it had been banned, developing defenses against it would be far more difficult. By making it open for study, it also becomes feasible that meishodo becomes another arrow in the quiver of the Hantei's forces.

Speaking as a Lion player, the Lion hatomoto badly fucked up, strategically-speaking - in opposing this. Meishodo isn't like firearms where, once you recognize their threat, you can cut them off before any Rokugani cottage industry gets started up and thereby keep firearms out of the setting entirely. The Unicorn brought meishodo here, and they Unicorn clearly aren't going anywhere, so the "ban it, make it go away" strategy clearly isn't going to work. If you can't get rid of it (which we can't), then the PROPER response for the right hand of the Emperor is to ensure it's studied thoroughly so counters can be developed against it...just in case the Unicorn become a threat to the Empire sometime in the future.

Now the Lion are lumped in along with the Phoenix as supporting a failed initiative, AND the Unicorn are likely going to be pissed at us for a while, AND and Scorpion worth his mask is going to be putting out tiny whispers that the Lion are derelict in their duties *because* they clearly weren't thinking about the military ramifications of the banning of meishodo.

Good fucking job, hatamotos.

>>54937249
There's no information on which way the Hatamoto voted. In the smokeless fire story we were told directly that the Phoenix and Lion do support banning. For all we know, the vote was 22-0 in favor of investigation.

>>54937297
see >>54935720

>>54937297
see>>54935720

>>54937314
>a single anonymous source with not a shred of evidence.
>other posters who claim to be there say the ballots were closed

Hmmmm.

>>54937249

Admittedly, Altansarnai had already committed to war with the Lion. Had the vote gone through, the Lion would have either denied the Unicorn a key resource or gotten the Imperials on their side, depending on whether or not the Unicorn continued to practice Meishodo openly post-ban.

>>54936772
Scorpions also consider cats specifically to be unlucky, and genuinely dislike them as a result.

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>>54937334
>Admittedly, Altansarnai had already committed to war with the Lion

That is true. However, there is zero % chance of the Unicorn being wiped out in such a war, and there is a 100% chance of them having meishodo kicking around the Empire following the cessation of hostilies. Which means that we're going to have to deal with meishodo for the long term no matter what, whether through the Unicorn practicing it openly, or as an "under-the-radar threat vector" by future actors unknown. This play sacrifices a whole lot of long-term benefit for the possibility of a mild immediate tactical advantage.

Duty to the Empire comes *first*, benefits to the Clan come *second*. The Lion players reversed this (granted, which is a traditionally Lion thing to do in previous realities, but there's no reason why we should make the mistakes of a previous incarnation, yeah?), and on top of that, managed to back a losing cause anyway.

>>54937417
The mistake you're making is that you're not looking at what Duty to the Empire means from the stolid Lion perspective. From the traditonal Lion perspective, Meishodo looks like suspicious foreign influence, of the sort that should be vigorously fought against to preserve the purity of the Emerald Empire. What you advocated in your earlier post is a Scorpion-style philosophy, where threats should first be understood and exploited rather than rejected and forgotten about entirely.

I just finished reading crabanons story of Stone Wall, it has me hankering to play L5r.
Can some one please post the l5r discord and if possivle if anyone saved the PDF that the archive anon was transscribing for Stone Wall crab annons story I would be very greatful.

>>54938013
round about way to answering that, look at the Steam workshop for Tabletop Simulator, then look for L5R, find the LCG page, then you'll find the Discords.

>>54937952
>What you advocated in your earlier post is a Scorpion-style philosophy, where threats should first be understood and exploited rather than rejected and forgotten about entirely.

I disagree. He's talking purely from a military perspective. You can't defend against a threat you know nothing about. If the ponies sweep meishodo under the rug, nobody will know anything about meishodo. If it's studied, then counters and defenses can be found.

That's not exploiting anything. That's basic strategy, of the same sort that Akodo explicitly wrote about. Directly quoted from "Leadership":

>In time, your daimyo will call upon you and your men. You will serve and you will command. But before this time comes, you must prepare and study (warfare).
-Meishido falls under "warfare", since it can be used as a weapon.

>Therefore, defeating an enemy without destroying him is the most noble victory of all.
-A step toward defeating the Unicorn would be the knowledge that the Lion can counter Meishido. Can't counter it unless you've studied it. If it was banned, it would only give the Unicorn confidence in their "secret weapon."

>The entire section on Ignorance vs Stupidity

>Duty beyond all things is the way of a true Samurai.
-The Lion's first duty is to the Empire and its protection. As described above, you can't protect against something you know nothing about.

>>54920802
Newfag here, I've known about the L5R card game for many years and occasionally considered getting into it but never got around to doing so.

What's the deal with the new FFG game? Is it a complete reboot? Is it resetting the crunch, the lore, or both? How differently does it play to the old one? Did the old game die and the company got bought out or something?

Thanks in advance, I apologize for my newness.

invite link to the /tg/ L5R LCG discord
https://discord.gg/qWt2YVp

>>54938218

Different Anon here, used to play the CCG and RPG, haven't done so in ages, would like to know whats currently up with everything.

>>54937417
>Akodo

>>54937952
>Matsu

>MatsuRuinsEverything.png

>>54938190
You can learn the signs and weaknesses of meishodo without learning the secrets of meishodo itself. To die failing to defeat a meishodo practitioner due to lack of practical knowledge is to die a dog's death. To allow corruption into your heart, or the heart of the empire, through such practical knowledge brings shame upon your ancestors.

>>54938218
>>54938317
The new game by FFG is a complete reboot both in terms of mechanics and fluff. They're clearing the slate from like the last 20-ish years of metaplot and returning everything to around the first edition of the RPG in terms of timeline, though there are changes regarding clan leaders, their attitudes to each other and so on. Instead of being a CCG, the new card game is one of those LCG deals where you buy big boxes with everything you need instead of depending on booster packs and luck. No word on a new RPG yet, however. And no, AEG has not died, they just sold the entire L5R IP to FFG.

>>54937952
The true Scorpion-style move would be making meishodo openly illegal, then give the Unicorn loopholes and ways to practice it in secret and then call in favors regularly. The Unicorn might even be willing to provide those favors instead of being coerced into them.

>>54938170
Thanks.
So would anyone have a workimg link to crab anons story pdf? I wanted to share that story with a friend as its a really well done l5r story imo.

I am quitting Netrunner and coming here.
Tell me all I need to know to master this game.

>>54940204
Become the most weeb of all.

>>54940204
First of all, embrace the weeb fully.

>>54940204
Ok well first thing you need to know is that winning the game is entirely secondary to picking a clan and being smug about how much better your clan is than everyone else's.

>>54940255

That´s how every hobby ever works.

>>54940255
Personally I prefer to pick a worst clan to shit on (Fuck the scorpion)

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>>54940204
Play Crab. Be Crab. PIIIIINCH!!!!!

>>54936009
Oh gods, one of those old guard L5R fans who play their card game "in-character". I.e. cheating like a Scorpion, bellowing & smashing like a Crab or Lion, etc.

>>54940294
>snu snu Crab waifu
>killed in the very first Crab fiction release
FFG has no fucking mercy I swear

Casual reminder in case anyone didn't catch it: Iuchi Dairyu's daughter who is going to the Imperials to teach them meishodo and get her family's enmity forever for it due to Imperial callousness? Shahai. Good move, Emperor.

>>54940500
Didn't make the mental connection that is. They didn't explicitly say her name but she's probably still herself

>>54940519
They said it, it's Shahai.

>>54940500
>Shahai
>literally the best waifu in Old5R

I can't see the problem here. Even if she retains her maho, she will just catapult a gary-sue into power as she did with Daigotsu, and never leave his side.

>>54941032
In the old fluff she first got into maho because Daiyu spoiled her rotten and life in Unicorn lands bored her to tears. Who is to say what will happen now that she's going to be in a really dangerous position with little in the way of allies instead.

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>>54941032
>best waifu in L5R

I'm sorry, your waifu is shit. Mine shanked a God's eyeballs with poison hairpins and lived, what did yours do?

>>54941084
>Wick eats ass
Every fucking time.

>>54941084
Wick go and stay go

>>54941084
Married the ruler of hell and gave birth to his son.

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>>54940332
Yep. He's even had a card made of himself. He's got a bit of a reputation for drink, but he also picks up the first round for everyone else too; that's one reason I've seen him get away with so much, because he quickly goes from "That jerk" to "The guy who bought me booze". I don't indulge, myself, which is probably part of why I'm so sour on him.

>>54941591
>Bayushi Jinn-Ja
>Jinn-Ja
>Ginger

Why AEG?

>>54941684
Seppun Baka, Suzume Mukashino, Kusatte Iru... the list goes on.

>>54940204
Find the parasite and datasucker of this game, win using it, then drop the game when they make Faust 2.0: weeabo edition

>>54941762
>core set scorpion

>>54935852
Bayushi was hanging out in the lake below Kyuden Bayushi and actually dragged Super Shadow Shosuro into the lake during the Hidden Emperor arc. He gave out cryptic advice from time to time to his ancestors as well.

Doji drowned herself and then became a brokenly good ancestor in 1e, thanks Ree.

Hida went to the Shadowlands to hunt down Atarasi and they fought for 1000+ years. So he was a bit occupied.

Akodo blew up a mountain pass on himself. He probably had chitchats with the Kitsu Sodan Senzo to the point where they just annoyed his one-eyed ass.

>>54940204
Remember that it's okay to let an attack go undefended if you can swing back with a bunch of guys and get more out of it than your opponent did. That can be hard to grasp at first because it seems not in the spirit of the game and because you lose an honor point for not defending.

>>54940255
This guy is 100% correct.

>>54935852
Remember, only the direct ruling line of each Family is actually the descendants of the kami. Also, the Kami went straight to Tengoku, not Yomi. It's a lot harder to send supernatural support when the Celestial Dragon is watching directly and the connection between the realms is much more restricted.

>>54940288
>Scorpion
>Worst clan when the Spider and Mantis are things.

>>54941987
Not anymore!

>>54941684
Literally because he asked for it.

>>54941084

Did Tsuko die a virgin in the old timeline?

>>54942347
I'd find it hard to believe that she didn't hook up with Arasou at some point, but she had no official spouse and no children.

>>54942347
Nope, there is an example in a 1e book that has Tsuko and Ginawa hanging out in a geisha house together.

>>54942447
All c'mon just because she is a Matsu doesn't mean she is a lesbian...Wait...

>>54942447
That means literally nothing, since geisha are only dtf after you bribe their manager enough.

>>54942530
There are male geisha, you know. Anyway, her raging clitboner for Arasou would mean she's bi at most.

geisha aren't hookers.

>>54942553
You really think she wasnt there for the female ones. Don't be prejudiced, bro.

>>54942568
We only saw her have strong romantic feelings for a dude. She might have liked pretty girls with their faces firmly between her thighs but again, that would make her bisexual.

>>54932293
>Lewd l5r

Link to last thread?

>>54942632
They sent people to the /soc/ ERP thread. There's some L5R profiles in F-List. Mine included.

If you want to ERP just apply to FRO9. That's literally all it's there for.

Important question
Do the Unicorn throatsing?

>>54944410
I don't see why not. They've got their own style of poetry and a few other arts and crafts.

>>54941684
In jokes. Both by AEG and people winning tournaments.

Which is how you end up with my favourite waste of space "flavour" text.

>Hold.

>Hold!

>HOLD!!!

On three different unrelated cards.

>>54944472
Travel poetry is really pretty, I wonder where AEG lifted it from.

But guys. The clan I don't like is poised to win all the tournaments. It's going to ruin L5R.

>>54946000
I'm sorry you don't like Dragon. I have my issues with them too but find there's usually something to like in most clans. What's your beef with these guys?

>>54946000
Its not like Crane are going to win, anon. Though I do dislike that we obviously have one real strong clan out of the gate.

irks me that its the bosses clan as well

>>54946528
If we see similar Dragon dominance in a full three core meta I'll be mad, as it is I am withholding judgment.

>>54946546
Well yeah.

Tried my Lion against Scorpion and would have gotten the win as well if I didn't misjudge how many edicts he had, as well as Shoju sniping some of my top Politicians

>>54946293
They aren't even a real clan! They're, like, 5 different, completely unrelated clan concepts under one banner. Leave that to the Mantis.

>>54935982

The player who drew extra cards on purpose in Conquest had his title and prizes revoked and was banned from all FFG games for five years - he definitely didn't just get a warning.

>>54947532
The Xwing guy got a warning though. But holy shit the witch hunt was next fucking level. It wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't able to get a game for the next five years.

Grand Theft Ryoko Owari game when

>>54941824
Doji isn't even close to be a broken ancestor in 1E, not when you have Kakita motherfucking Rensei around.

>>54947503
As a Dragon player, I think the reason Dragon are so scattered as a clan is because they originally had the easiest enlightenment victory, but as far as I know, there is no enlightenment victory anymore, so the whole clan is kinda suffering an identity crisis.

Enlightenment was our unique thing, much like magic is the phoenix's, honor is the crane's and face removal is the crab's. Without that, we have to figure out what we're doing before anything else.

I am confused on the rules surrounding the kenku swordsman school. Do you have to be a ronin? If you are not a clan samurai, do you have to take the different school advantage?

>>54948457
As far as I know, no you don't have to be a ronin, and if it's your first school you don't need to buy Different School. If you start out as, like, a Taoist Swordsman and one day some random Kenku shows up and says, "You look okay; get in" and trains you, you do need to buy it. If you have a ronin tech before you get grabbed by a Kenku, you may or may not need to buy Different School.

If a woman asked a man to paint her, without any other context to the request, would that be considered romantically forwards?

>>54948265
I'm looking at it as something of an outsider (Crab-Crane fan here) but I think Dragon are Truth to the Phoenix's Knowledge.

The Phoenix have some of the greatest stores of knowledge in Rokugan regarding magic, and it would be dumb to deny the Isawa's prowess at it. While this leads to the usual Phoenix vices (fantasy samurai STEMlordery, etc.) this also defines the clan as a whole. The Isawa know so much and they still want to know more: they have a conceptual framework for all of reality, and they're always looking to fill in the gaps. Magic is science, one where results can be repeated consistently with time and effort. Speak with the kami this way, meditate on them that way, and the effect you desire happens just as a rock falls when you drop it from above. You can see how the other families fit into this, with the Shiba providing mundane muscle and support and the Asako being the gentle touch and link with the outside (while at the same time harboring a big secret of their own, though we still don't know if the henshin and the Path of Man are still a thing)

>>54948509
In contrast, the Dragon families seem more scattered. The ruling pseudo-family is an order of kung fu monks, and then you have a bunch of green-armored Miyamoto Musashis, Sherlock Holmes with swords, and SCIENCE alchemists. What gives? The way I see it, the Dragon above all things seek the truth of the world, which isn't really what the Phoenix are doing. The Dragon do not assume they have the conceptual framework for reality in the first place. There's no gaps to fit in knowledge because what surrounds those gaps is in flux, changing with every new discovery they make. The Togashi seek this truth within themselves and without, the Agasha are the prototypical scientists that grow more religious as their studies deepen, the Kitsuki understand the mind better than any other and the Mirumoto fill the same role the Shiba do for the Phoenix while at the same time seeking truth at the edge of their blades. Seeking truth and not just knowledge is what binds the families of the Dragon as a whole. (Let's not think on the Hitomi or Tamori for now, since they might not ever exist in this timeline.)

>>54948483
I think it would depend on the circumstances. If he was an especially skilled artist, she might simply want a portrait. If he wasn't, then it might be.

>>54948525
The Dragon are known for individualism, and iirc, unlike the other Kami, who made friends among likeminded mortals, Togashi didn't search out any of his initial followers, they all came to him on their own. They're all weird and different because they were always weird and different and their founders were all weird and different.

They finished picking the roles at Gencon
Phoenix: Void Seeker
Scorpion: Air Seeker
Dragon: Void Keeper
Lion: Earth Keeper
Crab: Air Keeper
Crane: Water Keeper
Unicorn: Fire Keeper

Which clan has the worst waifus

>>54948902
None, anon. All waifus are to be loved.

>>54948839
If I didn't know what those actually meant, that clan to element disconnect would give me anger.

>>54948839
How did crane pass up on fire keeper for water keeper?

>>54948902

Crab women are sweaty, stinky, fart in public, and are doused in oni ichor. Disgusting.

>>54948984
Possibly because they thought they were more likely to attack with fire than water, and you only get the extra fate if you win as the defender.

>>54948988
Hida women are perfect housewives unless they're the kind of women who snu-snu. Hiruma women are she-gym-rats. Kaiu women are nerds. Kuni women are creepy nerds. Yasuki women are she-jews.
None of them are Yoritomo, and thus none of them fart in public or stink.

>>54948607
By "truth," I think you mean something like "enlightenment." The Dragon clan follow the path of enlightenment, and they were specialised in victory through enlightenment before FFG took the reins.

While what you've said is true, in a game mechanics explanation, the enlightenment that the dragon are after no longer exists in FFG as a victory condition. The Dragon clan are seekers of enlightenment, and as such, follow many walks of life. It would make sense that there are families in the clan that target specific ideals that are in line with the rings.

The Dragon seem scattered, but through unity they aim to achieve enlightenment.

But that's just how I see it.

What's the daidoji bushi like if they take a heavy weapon instead of a polearm?

What are some good School/Advanced School combinations?

>>54949031

But Yoritomo women's farts smell like fresh sea air. If you put your ear to their ass you can also hear the ocean.

>>54949317
Probably better, since heavy weapons are better than polearms. They can also take the Daidoji Heavy Infantry alt rank.

>>54949360
Bayushi Bushi/Saigo's Blades/Kenburo's Way

Scare the living shit out of anyone who dares to duel you

>>54949360
Hiruma Bushi/Crab Berserker/Hiruma Slayer/Defender of the Wall
Crab Smash. And smash and smash and smash and smash until one or more combatants have been reduced to a pile of giblets.

>>54949360
Generally, there's an intended basic school for every advanced school, and they're good together.

>>54949416

Is Dark Sword of Bitter Lies any good?

>>54949728
It's free rerolls so yeah it is

>>54949921
Sorry I misremembered the school. The rerolls may not be free but in a game where rerolling is extremely rare it's a nice trick to have

>>54941032
>>54941064

One major thing to remember is that Shahai is close to her Kharmic Tie as she is now a Seppun hostage.

>>54944397
Best thing to come out of this thread.

>>54949447

This is pretty good too.

Catching up on the fictions...is it just me, or did Ree Soesbee go from full-on Craneaboo to full-on Unicornaboo? All of the "we must drag Rokugan into the future" talk reeked of author sympathy.

>>54922718
>He's never gotten off the Enterprise computer
You know that was nurse Chapel right? She was gross.

>>54950802
Maybe she is the kind of writer who always puts a very positive spin on the POV character(s).

>>54939042

r63ing characters is why I won't play it. Seems fucking pointless. Also that dumbass Ree Soesbee's involved.

>>54951283
>Rule 63'ing
>All champs matched up with their original Kami

Though I do agree with you about Soesbee and Muh Progressiveness

>>54951283
But Soesbe gave us the beautiful meme of straight katanas! How can you not love that stupidity?

So i figure these threads are probably more about the CCG, especially today, but still I figured this was the place to ask.

I've been considering picking up L5R for a while to run for my group since they're all incorrigible weebs and it'd probably be pretty fun.
Which edition is the best balanced/most fun/best written?

Should I just pick up 4th or try search about for older stuff?

>>54951448
4th edition is the most streamlined/balanced edition of the bunch, but 1st and 3rd edition have their own charm.
Just ignore 2nd edition.

>>54951459

>streamlined and balanced
THat sounds like just the ticket, since my group are still mostly newbies.
Thanks a lot anon.

Should I grab some older stuff as well for metaplot and world information, or does it not translate well to newer editions?

>>54951459
What's wrong with 2?

>>54951489
The rights went to WotC, and thus it became split R&K/D10 and D20. They fucked with the setting, plus they fucked with the basic R&K mechanics in ways that didn't work and were never repeated.

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>>54951283
>Also that dumbass Ree Soesbee's involved
>yet, her story is the best out of the bunch

Oooooooh booooooy...

>>54951474
The newest edition has all the lore you need. More than enough splatbooks.

>>54948839
Fake. Top 8 isn't being played until today.

>>54951586
>Best of the bunch

Good one. In my opinion, Dragon, Crane and Phoenix were better executed and less retarded, but to each his own.

>>54951474
>Should I grab some older stuff as well for metaplot and world information
Get the "Way Of [Clan]" books for the insight into how the setting has changed.

Not the "Secret Of [Clan]" books - that's 2e.

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>>54948839
>Crab: Air Keeper

>>54952982
its fake

Isn't there that twitch stream again?

>>54953068
yeah, it's live. tv/dodgepong

>>54952982
Keeper of Air is amazing for Dishonor Crab (the best crab)

>>54953068
Yes it is live now

>>54942853
FRO9? What's that?

>>54953348
five rings online, its a megagame where all the regulars just use it as a cybering chatroom

>>54953348

It's a living campaign similar to Heroes of Rokugan which in turn was, I'm guessing, modeled after AEG's official Winter Court campaigns. Forum play-by-post.

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>>54953449
Not quite. It has a forum, but it's mostly chatroom based.

>>54953784

>chatroom

NANI!?

>>54953801
Yeah, like IRC.

MATCH FIXING ON STREAM

How would I use the yotsu clan outside of the heros of rokugan campaign? I don't necessarily need to use the yotsu bushi school, I just like the clan

>>54954205
Yotsu Clan? You mean the vassal family or the ronin band or the what-if Tiger Clan?

>>54951038
The Ree always tries to rep up whatever clan she's writing for. The smug little animal stories in Way of the Scorpion were all her doing, for instance.

>>54951474

>checking around to try an find a physical copy
>all minimum £100
Holy shit ffg please just do a reprint my god

>>54952133
>>54952167
I'll keep that in mind, thanks guys!

>>54955005
They aren't. They are going to shit all over the RPG by forcing their snowflake dice bullshit on it.

Hey, so I was reading this guy complaining about the LCG on youtube, saying that FFG ruined or some shit. Apparently they ruined other games too, can someone verify if that is true? Here is what he said:
>Star Wars LCG, fail. Least played LCG.
>CoC LCG, failed. Ended because lack of interest.
>WH Conquest, failed. Ended due to licenses but was already in decline, both in sales and player numbers.
>AGOT 2, failing. Declining interest and player pool dropping.
>WH Invasion, failed. Game was silly and had internal problems since day 1. Only had interest in Germany and Poland.

>>54955201
All these only failed if you compare them to MtG and Yu-Gi-Oh and so on.

If all of them had failed by FFG's standards, they would not be making LCGs by this point anymore.

As for the specific complaint about player pools dropping: That is a natural result of FFG creating ne LCGs all the time. They cannibalize their own playerbases, but that also means they can always sell new shit to people. Besides, a game that is not as robustly popular as MtG will always feel even relatively minor drops in playerbase sharply and that can then create a domino effect.

>>54955201
Star Wars is one of their top selling LCGs, huge casual market just not big competitive play.
CoC LCG lasted a very long time and only died recently, once again huge casual market.
WH Conquest was super popular and just had 2 new factions added recently when the licenses got pulled out of the blue.
Game of Thrones 2.0 is growing and not shrinking.
WH Invasion was flawed tho. great ides but got out of control.

>>54955201
What channel are you watching?

Which clan has the best traps?

>>54955456
Phoenix, hands down. Display of Power is sick.

>>54955456
No matter which traps you mean, Scorpion.

Only one clan has traps that are designed for even the harshest of conditions. The traps of the Crab are the only ones capable of withstanding the full force of the Shadowlands.

>>54955476
I meant in the lore but that also works I guess

>>54955666
Sorry, Satan, no trap boys for you. Just actual traps, sometimes lined with poop smeared stakes.

>>54955133

Yeah I was thinking about that, I guess they'll probably push an L5R with Genesys.

I dont hate the system, assuming its something like their star wars ones, but still. I just want a physical copy of this game goddamnit.

>>54955133
Their dice system is better than anything on the market right now.

Try it out before you shit on it.

>>54955811
False. Anyone who genuinely thinks the FFG snowflake dice are good either don't take rules seriously anyway, or are contrarians who overvalue results being "nonbinary"

>>54955839
Name something bad about the system outside of "I don't like the dice".

It is a super flexable and balanced system that does not break apart with the smallest push like most RPG systems out there.

>>54955888
Many of the Talent trees in Star Wars are absolute ass. So your claim of "super balanced" goes right out the fucking window. Which incidentally is where their $15 dice need to go as well.

>>54955911
Like what ones?
Sure more of them are more on the role playing side of things than the combat but that is fine since combat is not what RPGs are about.

>>54955911
Can't you pretty freely mix and match trees in that system?

>>54955954
Yes you can. Only down side is over all cost per talent still goes up no matter what tree you take from.

>>54955888
-Numbers are too low across the board, which makes dice results incredibly swingy, and stacking any one particular type of thing gets exponentially better.
-Stats and skills have weird weights to them and it's unclear the benefits of raising each even to seasoned number crunches. Novices are basically walking in blind.
-The way talent trees are structured are typically terrible. Typically it's a race to the most powerful talent in the tree, then fill out misc until you're ready to buy another tree, then we repeat the process
-The placing of "filler" talents like +2 strain at the 25 cost mark is fucking stupid, and forcing some trees to waste 25 XP on a talent barely worth 5 to get access to the talent they want is sometimes what makes a tree not good.
-The talent trees are horrendously balanced. There are too many hyper specialists that aren't even great at their intended role.
-XP penalties for wanting to buy skills outside of your narrow slice, which forces players into roles they dont want to play, or forces players to pay out the nose for those skills, or forces parties to just not have the skill.
-The initiative system is all kinds of goofy. (someone who was unprepared for a fight having better initiative???)
-Capstones/Keystones/Signatures, or whatever they're fucking called are often insanely broken even with minimal investment. The smugger's Unmatched Fortune comes to mind, which lets them turn despairs into blanks, and the bounty hunter's ability to LITERALLY ONLY SPEND LIGHT SIDE TO AUTOMATICALLY CATCH A TARGET.

It goes on, but that's off the top of my head.

>>54956051
>-The way talent trees are structured are typically terrible. Typically it's a race to the most powerful talent in the tree, then fill out misc until you're ready to buy another tree, then we repeat the process

I forgot to expand on this. This is bad because it makes power spike early in a tree's lifecycle, then the filler stuff gives you some extra value, but it's largely a huge lull in character building. Then you have to save up a ton of XP to just buy another tree, which causes a further lull. Then you rapidly gain another really powerful ability from that tree, and then you're back to not really using your XP on much.

>>54956051
>>54956165
Some of the points on talent trees are valid but only really for Edge of the Empire. The newer trees are more refined. That is normal for any new system.

The big class abilities like capturing your target are a great effect. Having to spend a force points for it opens the door for the same level of tricks from the GM. Risk/Reward play that makes the game and story more interesting.

Outside of that there is a higher risk of failure on rolls than games like DnD but it makes for more interesting games. It is a lot like the Powered by the Apocalypse systems where you are expected get a success with a down side on most rolls.
It is a more narrative focused system in place of classic dungeon crawling and the system reflects that well.

>>54956281
>>54956281
>The big class abilities like capturing your target are a great effect.
No. Having an ability that makes you win and skip over what might have been interesting content is stupid. What the fuck is the point of having skills and stats when you literally just spend a meta-currency to win?
>Outside of that there is a higher risk of failure on rolls than games like DnD
Where do you think you are?

>>54956340
Roll and Keep was more or less just DnD with another dice system. It was still a dungeon crawler sim style game at it's core.
Narrative driven systems are the new age of PnP RPGs and we are all much better for it.

>No. Having an ability that makes you win and skip over what might have been interesting content is stupid. What the fuck is the point of having skills and stats when you literally just spend a meta-currency to win?

Also there is a roll for that ability. I just looked it up to confirm. You spend 2 Destiny points and Make a Hard Streetwise check. If you succeed you find your target no matter where they are. You still have to encounter and capture them.

It falls under what the system calls Narrative Abilities. Something the GM does have the ability to veto but over all gives the player the more options to tell their story.

>>54955401
Team covenant - the demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTtjYzq4T54

The guy complaining is called "Carlos Eduardo Saldanha"

I was mostly asking because I want to buy the L5R game, but I was worried I might not get much because it "failed".

>>54955367
Thanks, that was a good explanation.

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>>54956457
I'm going to save this. I'm going to show it to people in the future when I need proof that snowflake dice supporters unanimously bear double digit IQs.

>>54956498
Oh god you read youtube comments!?
WHY!

>>54956526
Ok enjoy playing your 80s style game while we all enjoy good modern ones.

>>54956498
Oh hey that is DB0 from the Netrunner OCTGN plugin. That dude is a nut job.

>>54956528
Its a small channel that I thought "Oh, hey, maybe someone that is a big fan has a good comment." That was clearly a mistake.

>>54956626
Team Covenant. Small Channel. Wut?

Finals is Crane (Matt L.) vs Scorpion (Mat F)

>>54956731
37k subs is a fairly small channel in the grand scheme of things.

>>54956735
In the grand scheme of things? Sure. In the world of FFG, not so much.

>>54956798
Yeah, but its sort of a niche channel, thats why I call it "small". And why I thought it would have more "big fans", instead of that dude. Should have guessed better.

>>54956544
>Ok enjoy listening to your 80s style rock while we all enjoy Bieber and Jewcorp R&B/Pop

Sometimes modern isn't better.

>>54957007
Good thing that metaphor doesn't work with RPGs.

Man that Scorp player got fucked up

>>54956613
>Run biggest ANR database and code it's biggest plug in
>Start throwing in political bs (I think there way have been something going on with his patreon too)
>Someone else makes a way easier to use web client
>Get pissed and sign up with that deadlands reboot
>Dead land reboot dies really fucking fast
>Now try to be relevant in L5R

What a despicable rat

Crane is the rightful Victor of today's tournament

>>54957049
Yeah. Dude overcommited on the first attack and turn two he flipped absolutely nothing useful.

>>54956457
>Roll and Keep was more or less just DnD with another dice system. It was still a dungeon crawler sim style game at it's core.

I suppose you are aware that FFG's special dice system is also more or less DnD with another dice system. Now with symbols on the dice instead of numbers.

What a fookin twist if you ask me.

Anyone wanna make a new thread?

I will

new thread >>54957595

>>54955005
Ebay, Amazon, Abebooks, Noble Knight, wholesalegaming, patriotgames, barnes and noble.

Im a fellow who got into the RPG well after the fact and have spent many a long night searching for the best deals. Though the time i got the most books for the best price was one person offloading their 4th edition collection all at once on Ebay, saved several hundred dollars on that.

Otherwise check your local gaming stores, see if they just have them lying around in discount bins or in the back, likely to find one or two 15$ buck books that way.