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>>54914718
F

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>>54914718
first for black templars

>>54914652
Could also take the AL trait and have them pop up 9inches away from someone

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How are Word Bearers in 8th?

8 possessed + lord + exalted in a LR.

Is this awesome? (Y/N)

>>54914754
low tier

>>54914756
Why not an apostle for reroll all failed to hit?

>>54914769
8 possessed + apostle + exalted in a LR.

Is this awesome? (Y/N)

>>54914780
Definitely scary

Reposting from old thread. Any nidanons got anybthoughts on the toxicrene? Havent played since 3rd but building on my nids and toxicrenes look pretty badarse but i heard they suck? On paper they look great and inlike the model just wondering how they go. Nid anons or people that have played aginst them feel free to enlighten me

>>54914718
>Looted Wagons are never coming back edition
>implying Looted Wagons are a good thing
It's either Looted Vehicles or nothing. Looted Wagons were a half-assed compromise at best to begin with.

>>54914780
Why possessed over either berserkers or terminators?

Should I use +1A on charge and re-roll failed charge warlord trait, or 6+ FnP and +1W warlord trait for Tyberos?

>>54914792

Looted Vehicles is actually plausible since GW sells the models. Doubly so if they decide to release an "Ork Looted Vehicle sprue" or repackage kits as Ork Looted Variants or double kits.

>>54914746
I've heard about that, but I really want to do an all marine army without the 30 cultist, but if it's the most effective thing to do then I better look at ebay then

>>54914873
Who the fuck said anything about cultists?

>>54914856

You can have any Imperium units you want in the same detachment, but their <Regiment> and <Chapter> bonuses won't share/may even shut off entirely.

Marines for example don't get Chapter Tactics special bonuses unless the whole detachment is the same <Chapter>, so mixing them with IG will shut off their special abilities.

>>54914873
AL aren't required to run cultists.

>>54914846
>Looted Vehicles is actually plausible since GW sells the models. Doubly so if they decide to release an "Ork Looted Vehicle sprue" or repackage kits as Ork Looted Variants or double kits.
You'd think they'd do something like that, since they have one for the Genestealer Cultists.

Hell, old Ork Looted Vehicle rules made them slightly less effective than normal Imperial vehicles back in the day.

Man chaos could use more soul grinders during deployment (as well as knights and titans)

>>54914819
>should I be more defensive or more killy for the chapter of bloodthirsty killers?

I bet you don't even use LC termies, faggot.

Rate my Skittles/AdMech list

TPD x1

Dunecrawlers, magnetized x2
Ranger unit of 5 x2
Vanguard x3 (or 6 of split to 5)
Dragon x2
RS x1
Infiltrators x1
Kastelan unit of 2 with datasmith x1

Thoughts? I charge my vanguard with the dragoon to give them the LD boost they need.

>>54914803
Two wounds a piece.

>>54914921
>let me just add one more wound to that pile of red jello on the ground

>>54914718
Just use the Big Trakk rules from Imperial Armour: Xenos

My LGS store owner, loyalist fanboy, and Blood Ravens player insists Blood Ravens are not a Thousand Sons successor chapter, after some intensive googling and sifting through wikis and interviews I found exactly one case of Laurie Goulding saying they aren't, but Laurie Goulding isn't exactly an important writer and I can't personally see why an editor for the Horus Heresy books would know about the canon of a video game specific chapter.
I'm fine with it being vague but he's oddly insistent about it despite having no proof, and he says Laurie Goulding wasn't the interview he watched.
So are they confirmed not 1ksons successors?

>>54914929
If you're running them in squads of 5 that +1 ld means literally almost nothing. You'll need to lose most of the squad before it helps and generally they'll all be dead before then. LD is only an issue with Skitarii when you run them in units of 10. Do you have any special weapons on the Rangers and Vanguards?

>>54914957
I'd say the other alternatives are going to outstrip them in killing power

>>54914969

They're unknown.

I think it's pretty obvious they're meant to be, but there's no real proof.

>>54914969
>confirmed

Nothing is confirmed. They are very heavily hinted towards being TSons, but nothing explicit just yet.

>>54914959
Let me guess, THSS termies like a bitch?

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thoughts?

>>54915004
Bait?

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Does Gabriel Angelos have to use the Chapter-character-specific trait for the Chapter Tactics you choose for the Blood Ravens? Or does he just pick from the regular Space Marine table

>>54915004
PRO PAINTED!! should sell for 200 usd on ebay

What magnets do you guys buy? I'm considering this lot, I would like 3x1.5, but 3x1's work just fine.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-x-Magnets-3-x-1mm-Strong-Cylinder-Round-Disc-Rare-Earth-Neodymium-Magnet-N52-/292119997502?epid=885644195

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>>54914718
>looted wagons

You shut your whore mouth. Looted wagons will be in the next dex, they have to be

>>54915038
Nearly all my CSM are done with 2x1MM magnets with Termie arms and Vehicles being 3x1MM, so it depends on their purpose. I also have 1x1 for smaller stuff, though they're expensive and I try not to use them if I can avoid it.

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>>54914846
>>54914908
Yup, they just would shoot for shit.

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>>54914739

Reposting for feedback, how should I improve this?

Black Templars 2kpts, this is two Batallions for +3CP each

HQ

Chaplain Dread [Lascannon, Power Fist] Warlord
Emperor's Champion

Lieutenant [Lighting Claw, Crusader Helm]
Lieutenant [Power Sword, Plasma Pistol]

Elites

Redemptor Dreadnought [Plasma Incinerator, Storm Bolters, Gatling cannon]
Venerable Dreadnought [Lascannon, Power Fist]

Troops

4x
Crusader Squad [5 Initiates, Heavy Bolter]

2x Rhino

3x
Crusader Squad [7 Initiates, Power Axe, Sword Brother with Thunder Hammer] Drop Pod

>>54914971
Rangers run arquebus, vanguard run plasma.
If I usually have a 10 man unit with the dragoon

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+++BATTLE REPORT INCOMING+++

Hey guys, posting a batrep for your amusement.

I played a fun (albeit shorter than I would have liked) game tonight, my first in 8th edition and my first at my new local store.

Points was set at 2000, Steel Legion Imperial Guard vs a custom Astartes chapter called the "Storm Lords" (I think? can't remember exactly). Both armies were almost fully painted, so the game was a lot of fun to watch unfold.

I tried to take a picture at the top of every phase of every turn, but of course missed 2 or so. I will do my best to recreate what happened each turn from memory using my records.

Enjoy.

Pic related is the IG force, a full Battalion detachment with 12 command points.

>>54915069
You'd figure in the age of data sheets this would make a comeback.

>>54915084
>Storm lords
Either a coincidence, or the guy took the name from a fic about one of the lost primarchs.

If I wanted to start a Black Templar army, how would I even begin? I don't really know anything about Space Marines but I've always thought the Templars were really cool.

>>54914754

They get a Chaos equivalent of "They Shale Know No Rules". It basically makes them play like loyal Space Marines, but without any of the usual Chapter Tactics that Loyal Marines get on top of the "Know No Rules" ability.

This could actually be okay because it makes Word Bearers squads actually resilient, and Chaos does get some cool toys. That said, it's still nothing super-good. In fact, it comes at the opportunity-cost of other legion rules that actually are super-cool. So while the Word Bearers Legion Rule isn't bad outright, it's outshined to the point of uselessness by other Legion Rules that outperform it.

>>54915084
>BATTLE REPORT INCOMING
My body is ready

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>>54915106
rhinos

>>54915084
>>54915101
Storm Lord's are a thing, they're a second founding white scars successor

>>54915135
Ah, then the writer didn't do his research or I'm autistic.

or both, I browse 4chan after all.

>>54915099
It would be pretty cool. You'd figure GW would go for it just to sell Ork players tons of different vehicles. I mean, a lot of people just build their Ork vehicles, but I'd buy a few Imperial vehicles if I could just straight up take them.

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>>54915084

My list consisted of Yarrik in the center, supported by a company commander, two astropaths, and a priest. A shady vindicare assassin is just off camera to the left, too cool to be photographed.

The meat of the list is two conscript platoons of 50, 4 scion squads of 5 with melta/plasma led by a tempestor prime. A squadron of leman russ executioners and 2 heavy weapons squads of lascannons provide some punch, and 2 defensive searchlights support the infantry.

It's rounded out by 3 salamander scout vehicles (chimeras) and a twin punisher cannon vulture for close air support.

The picture illustrates the IG plan: maximize the utility of Yarrick's 6" reroll 1s aura, adding some extra attacks, saves, accuracy, leadership, and orders on top of it to make those conscripts hit HARD.

The plasma tanks benefit greatly from the rerolled 1s, allowing them to overcharge much more safely if needs be, and the scions, vulture, and salamanders should add some mobility for snatching objectives.

Note my future plan is to use sentinels instead of salamanders as in the picture, but I'm not about to buy kits when new IG models are in the rumor mill.

>>54915074
You will never have a thicc qt3.14 SOB polish your helmet..

Why even live?

>get really into game
>great local meta, good people
>move
>only game anyone plays here is mtg
anyone know good FLGS in the SLC area?

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>>54915156

Here we have the Storm Lords. I am not an expert on Astartes units, but he took a good mix in his list, opting for balance.

The chapter master rides a bike, while the librarian is on foot. A land raider crusader is the battering ram, tac squads and scout squad are the meat and potatoes. He took 2 dreads including a chaddanaught for extra punch in melee.

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>>54914969
The argument is ancient. Pic related is ADB saying they aren't thousands sons. He provides no evidence for his claim and all hints point to them being T sons In my opinion. Even though I think loyalist traitors are terrible. Blood ravens hint far far too heavily for it to be ignored.

I never cared about this very much, I far prefer to shit on people who insist the space sharks are night lords. Despite FW's many hints at Raven guard origins. The best response they always have is wishful thinking.

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Alpha Legion

>>54915218
get dorn'd

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>>54915197

The rolled mission was "RELIC." We agreed to use my custom "randomized battlefield" rule, dropping a fair number of terrain pieces on the table and then rolling 2d6+scatter to let them drift randomly. The final terrain placement is pictured here, along with deployment from the Astartes POV.

Astartes easily finished deployment first (he was almost done by the time I was done calling reserved units) and would go first. Initiative was not seized.

>>54914754
They're good actually. Basically guaranteed summoning and Lord/Dark Apostle hybrid HQs that reroll all hits even shooting as their aura, while having the lord statline.

Of course that's only useful with a fluffy WB army. But that's kind of the point.

>>54914803
My reasoning is more wounds due to unit size and also potentially more attacks. Now that understrength units are auxiliary only for matched play, I'd rather stick 5 termies in a raider or 8 something else with those two.

Regarding zerkers, I'd like to, but I'm still not 100% on renegade or empy kids. Possessed are at least agnostic to that and I can always drop a sorc in with a jump pack if they really need to haul ass or get a buff of some sort.

There's also the higher potential attacks.

>>54915133
What about LR Crusader? And Razorback? I bought one of both already.

>>54915202
>Space sharks being NL or RG
Personal cannon is that they're world eaters for all the rip'n'tear they do.

>>54915106
Their trait is to reroll charge distance, so get some melee units

>>54914957
Irrelevant for berzerkers, since they won't take wounds in combat and you got the land raider to protect them from bullets. Possessed are tough but berzerkers just delete anything they touch.

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>>54915239

And here we have deployment from the IG POV. I definitely got the lucky side of the field as far as terrain went, with a nice wall of cover anchored by 2 structures. Conscript platoon are too big to ever get cover bonuses, really, but my taking this side of the field denied the smaller and tougher Astartes a cover bonus while they advanced on the relic in the center.

I ended up being hard pressed for space, and cramemd conscripts shoulder to shoulder with lascannons and the russes to get that reroll 1s aura on as much as possible.

The vindicare just said "meh" to the whole idea, confident my 12 command points would be used on him if necessary and just parked himself on top of the nearest building. I put the searchlights up there, too, where they would get cover and clear LOS to mark targets.

Salamanders and the vulture took the flanks with the hope of forcing the less numerous marines to split their numbers and chase my mobile stuff around fruitlessly. We'll see how well that worked.

>>54915250
Razorbacks only for popping vehicles with their lascannons. Your melee units should deal with enemy melee.

Is weapon range measured on a model by model basis? Can you only kill the models that are within range in a unit?

>>54915106
Why do you even like Black Templars?

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>>54915284

<<<The Militarum center line.

>>54915284
Just looking at the positions and army comps, if this was kill team IG would have it in the bag, maybe the bikes can make something happen though.

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Also played a 2v2 1000pts per side game as well today with my Primaris ally once again. And holy shit primaris are expensive my ally barely had 7 models on the table. What are you anons up to?
Expect batreps in the morning

>>54915297
Kek what a dumbass

>>54915303
Kill points not team

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>>54915302

<<< IG's left flank

>>54915297
Range is measured from the firing model, but you can wound any model in the unit you're firing at.

>>54915300
Cool paint job and I love the crusader look/theme.

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>Want Vindicators for my Iron Warriors because they are ugly looking beauties that fit IW theme perfectly
>hear that they are so shit it's not worth fielding

What do you think

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Fireblade here. My bonding knife wife keeps asking me what the difference between a shot and an attack is.
What should I tell her?

>>54915346
One uses a gun the other uses a close combat weapon.

>>54914990
TH/SS would want the offensive boosts more tha the survivability because TH/SS are the hard hitting but low attack and high survivability variant while LC are the opposite.

>Obliterators roll for their weapon's stats before they choose a target

Y/N?

>>54915343
For what it's worth I fought some iron warriors with one the other week and it pulled its weight. Consider it a vehicle wrecker now instead of something that deletes mass infantry

>>54915343
If you have a sorc to warptime them forward, they can get in range and blast something. They also got a slight points reduction in the codex.

Preds are better though.

>>54915018

Only GW's named heroes are locked into chapter traits. FW ones can pick whichever one from the generic ones they want. You can't even use the unique ones since they don't have the rule that lets successors use them like the Strategems do.

>>54915084
Of course you have 12 CP as Iron Legion. Aren't Storm Lords sucsessor chapter for White Scars?

How are orks for a first timer? Both on wargaming and painting, I understand with orks I'll probably have a couple hundred models so painting will take a while, but other than that how are they for a beginner play wise?

>>54915346
Extra attack is extra stab
Extra shot is extra pew

>>54915413

Painting easy. Wargaming easy but tedious. They're a pretty good choice since they're strong this edition unlike before, and you can get their basic infantry DIRT cheap on eBay.

>>54915218
But Alpha Legion is loyalist.

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>>54915250
Well, you'll want an Emperor's Champion, a Chaplain, a Marshal, and a 15 or 20 man close combat oriented squad of initiates and neophytes if your going fluffy. Otherwise don't buy any filthy witches unless it's Grey Knights, and even then, and look to vehicles for anti-tank and infantry in transports/drop pods with melee orientation. Also find a pdf of the old BT 4th edition codex and visit the BT forums on bolterandchainsword for more fluff guidance.
Welcome to the Eternal Crusade!

>>54915376
>talking about WL trait for Tyberos
Why are you talking about boosting termie variants? I'm calling him a faggot for not automatically taking the offensive WL trait out of principle for Tyberos while calling him out for also taking THSS termies instead of LC termies like the faggot he is. Sharks ain't got time for your bitch shields.

>>54915346
>>54915364
>>54915426
>yfw the Tau invent railguns that shoot knives

>>54915379
Eh. Worse case senario it's a +1st ap-1 d1. Basically a chain sword with ap-1 and a chance to turn into a +6st ap-6 d-6 rape machine.

>>54915413
Pretty straightforward. Also worth noting you don't have to run the 200 slugga boys list, you could go heavy on vehicles or elites like meganobz, burna boys or tankbustas etc, which would reduce the numbers. Individual orks are pretty easy to paint in mass if you just want tabletop quality

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>>54915435

>>54915446
What?

S7-9 AP-(1-3) D1-3

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>>54915435
These dont look loyal

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>>54915318

Turn 1 opens with the Astartes confidently into the center with their Land Raider as the speadhead. A Tac squad and the Librarian are mounted inside, ready to snatch the relic at the earliest opportunity while the dreads smack away any space peasants.

The land speed storm takes a combat squad of scouts up the Imperial right flank looking to harass the searchlights and deny the main IG line its accuracy bonus. The bikes move up on the IG left, blowing through the ruins to get in the shadow of the structure anchoring the IG's left center.

The first volley is fired to the tune of an orbital bombardment, consuming 3/4 of the Astartes command points right off the bat. The blasts are called in right on top of Yarrick, catching him, the Company Colonel, priest, astropaths, a lascannon team, russes, and both conscipt units in the radius.

By the time the searing flashes are over and the dust has settled, perhaps half a dozen conscripts are dead, the center russ has taken 4 wounds, one lascannon crew is reduced to charred skeletons, and both the priest and Colonel are reduced to 2 wounds. Yarrick takes nothing, he's seen worse.

The dreads and crew-served vehicle weapons unload into conscripts, felling another 10 or so. The ones behind them pile the bodies up for a bit of cover, stuffing corpses into the windows of that wall. From downfield, the pred unleashes all 4 lascannons into the center russ and takes off another 2 wounds.

End of Astartes shooting, and a conscript unit breaks, takes 2 steps back, watches Yarrick execute a guy, then turns back around and resumes their postions.

1/2

>>54915467
I was thinking of something else. Not sure what, I've been reading a bunch of codexes and I might've mixed shit up.

>>54915435
SINDRI!

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>>54915364
>>54915426
Sorry, she's still confused. Mind simplifying your terms a little?

>>54915470
>infil-traitor

>>54915487
Mutilators are also basically the same except less str. Even after a 15 point cost reduction they're kinda... eh. Not sure where your mix up was from though.

>>54915519
Adeptus Kekimus

>Changeling can give certain Alpha Legion units such as Obliterators or Possessed -2 to be hit

Pretty brutal.

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>>54915512
I encourage her to give it her all and make another shot, but she cannot decide if I'm asking her to shoot one more time for a total of 3, or to go full auto and shoot 4 times.
We've gone in circles about this and now even I'm confused!

>>54915379
You roll when you choose them as a unit to shoot with, which happens before you choose a target.
What I would like to know is do they keep the first profile if you use Endless Cacophony on them since the example says they have the rolled profile "for that shooting phase" or if you would reroll since that probably counts as choosing them again

>>54915531
>changling

so alpha legions go around kidnapping babies and replacing them with midget legionnaires now?

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>>54915474

The speeder and its scouts drive-by a searchlight and take it out in a hail of heavy bolter fire. With the final parting shots of the turn, the marine scouts unload their sniper rounds into the ministorum priest and kill him with 2 6s to wound. His head explodes in red mist, taking my double attack bonus with it.

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IG is up. Seeing the Storm Lords move their Raider 13 inches away, I have either the option of advancing and eating their charge, or pulling back 6 and forcing them to take another round of shooting. I decide to pull back a bit, making a marine charge risky for him to try, and throw a salamander into the center to force him to move around it and waste inches. The vulture jets off the left flank while the salamanders hunker down for better accuracy.

Shooting phase. I marker light the Land Raider, give the Bring it Down Orders to both lascannon teams, and fire on the juggernaught with everything in my army. I don't need to.

In the master stroke of the game, my first lascannon team levels their cannons and fires 3 AT lasers into the approaching tank. All 3 hit without markerlight support. All 3 wound. All 3 saves fail. 16 wounds inflicted from 3 hits. In a single salvo, the Raider is wiped from the field, taking 4 marines with it and leaving a smoking crater behind.

Bereft of their primary target, the rest of the IG goes nuts and shoots at everything. The surviving marines and librarian retreat under fire and lose another half their number before finding some ruins to jump into. The vulture hoses the bikes and drops 2. The vindicare knocks 2 wounds off the Librarian with his Exitus rifle, and the right flank salamander even knocks out the land speeder.

Things are looking good for the 27th Steel Legion.

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How can I make Scions looks like proper Stormtroopers?

Is the Axe of Blind Fury any good for my Termi Lord or should I just stick to the Talisman of Burning Blood?

>S+3 AP-3 Dd3 All hits of 1 hit friendlies within 1" and cannot be modified/rerolled.
>Reroll failed charges and can charge and advance

I am Word Bearers if this means anything.

>>54915445
Why? A hyperdense, large whatever penetrator will be better

>>54915512
2 shots -> 3 shots
notice it is +1 like it says in the rule

>>54915197
He never stood a chance

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>>54915551
Are shots and attacls interchangeable terms?
Is a model that is shooting considered to be making a shot?
Does a shot confer the full weapon profile, or is it but the single pulse round which flies straight and true (50% of the time)?

I just don't know what to say! It's maddening!

>>54915600
It'd be tough to do old-school stormies. There's some 3rd parties out there that do OK remakes.

As for kasrkin, cadian torsos + scion legs + cadian hostile environment helmets is pretty good.

>>54915579
Just giving a you to let you know I am reading steel legion anon

>>54915600

I want to comb her hair.

>>54915629
What are you doing anon

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>>54915579

Turn 2

The Storm Lords are quick to recover from the thrashing they got charging into the imperial center. The rhino drops off a combat squad of tac marines, who use the vehicle as cover while securing the relic. The chaddanaught lumbers up to the center salamander, intended as a roadblock, keen to punish it for over extending.

The chapter master moves up on his bike, as well, and the bikes circle the structure on the imperial left center to threaten the russes with bike-mounted meltas.

The bikes fry the left russ, reducing it to slag before turning to charge the left flank salamander. Snipers drop more lascannon teams with help from the dreads, who don't want to see the heavy weapon platforms get another round of lucky shooting in.

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IG is up. The left flank salamander just throttles away from the bikes and makes for the enemy deployment zone, threatening to get a VP for it. The vulture circles around and strafes the scouts, wiping all of them if it weren't for 3 lucky FNPs. Triple boxcars keeps them in the fight.

The right flank salamander also jets forward, taking the scout squad on a goose chase back across the board. All over the field Tempestus scions rain down in their grav chutes, unleashing melta and plasma into the remaining Astartes armor units. Amazingly, they only manage to cripple and not kill either dread. It takes 180+ FRFSRF lasrifle shots to finally drop the pregnaught, losing its last wound to a peasant-operated flashlight.

The conscripts advance and, at the Commissar's order, charge the remaining dread in order to get some distance across the field. They do 2 wounds to the walker, which drops 2 of them for their trouble. Amazingly, they pass morale.

>>54915648
Just Taufags things.

>>54915601
Axe isn't good for a Lord since it turns off his rerolls of 1. Talisman is auto-take for a Khorne Lord, either of the Mace relics are fine if you really want a melee relic, but a Fist is just as good and doesn't eat a CP.

>>54915673
faggot

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Me and some friends have taken the opportunity to finally start playing now that 8th is out. I've chosen to roll with death guard, and I've played a few (very proxy heavy) games against a friend who's starting guard. I've been doing alright so far and I've been having fun but he's been able to stop my 2 quad las predators with his unceasing onslaught of tanks by turn 2 or 3, going forward is there a better anti tank solution? Suicide terminators are alright (and have cool models) but are incredibly expensive.

What's the best way to kit out chaos cultists for alpha legion?

>>54915722
If you're playing them shooty bang-bang take autoguns and stubbers, if you're playing them kill-stab CCW/pistols and flamers.

They don't have a lot of options anon.

>>54915739
I'd say if you're using them to hold objectives give them autoguns and flamers for those guaranteed overwatch hits, stick a shotgun on the champion to make those charges slightly scarier.

well, chaos loses. again

>>54915712
Any advice might become obsolete in a matter of weeks when DG get their codex and model releases, but if he's tonk heavy then Havoks may be a good solution, put them in cover with some ablative bodies in the squad and your big guns will stay up for a while.

If you go the Termie route consider pairing them with a Sorc to cast Warptime and ensure a charge on the turn they drop.

>>54915455
>>54915432
Yeah ebay was the plan, getting everything second hand seems essential to not destroying my wallet. And I figure even just a small blob of boyz will get me up to at least tabletop quality skill for painting by the time im done

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>>54915669

It's turn 3 and the marines need to make something happen. Fortunately they have grabbed the relic and run of with it, hoping their dreadnaught and character units can bog down the imperial hammer long enough to stall out the win. The backfield tac squad turns and engages the scions that grav'd in behind them and melta'd the chad, easily felling 4 of the 5 in a single charge.

The chapter master drives his bike between the smoking wrecks in the center field and slams into the conscripts, adding his melee powerhouse to the dreadnaught to try to swing the battle. The librarian won't let the honor be all his, and also joins in the fray. Conscript bodies pile up, and by the end of it 22 die in a single round of combat while only doing 2 wounds to the characters and 1 to the dread.

---

IG. Despite the carnage in the center and the relic fleeing further and further away, Yarrick doesn't seem worried. He raises his klaw in the air and signals the last remaining searchlight, which illuminates the astartes captain on his bike. The FRFSRF order is given to the second conscript unit, and the Get back in the Fight! order to the mangled one which withdrew from the melee. A total of 260 lasrifle shots kill the Librarian and reduce the warlord to 1 wound, which the Vindicare prompted robs him of with another Exitus shot. Warlord slain.

Meanwhile, the vulture has completed its maneuver and gatlings the tac squad with the relic, killing all 5 retreating marines in one round of shooting and forcing them to drop the precious objective. The plasma russes overcharge their cannons and vaporize the bike squad on their left, scions on the right anchor structure rapid fire down the scouts, and the left flank salamander skirts into the enemy deployment zone. The game ends bottom of turn 3 with complete Steel Legion victory.

>>54915765
Easy way to paint orks and actually have them look better than a beginner's standard paintjob is to spray them with white primer then just start covering them with green wash and glaze.

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>>54915766

<<< One of the more cinematic moments: the Storm Lord captain driving his bike through the raging fires to charge headfirst into conscripts.

>>54915648
>>54915673
I really do want clarity on what a shot actually is.
I'm pretty sure it's just the +1 attack as has been stated, but I'm trying to dig for anything contrary or supportive of it being a full extra weapon firing which conveys the entire weapon profile, hopefully making the Cadre Fireblades ability grant an entire extra rapid fire.
Probs not the case though.
>>54915696
Don't be inciteful.

>>54915783

7E rules explicitly state to fire the whole weapon twice when that was the case.

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>>54915775

<<< Vulture banking around to catch the retreating tac marines and paste them with relic in hand.

>>54915783
If it wanted you to fire twice as many shots or to fire again. It'd say. If it modified RF 1 to RF 2, it'd say.
Since it doesn't, it adds one(1) shot

Should I go melee cultists with my world eaters? Or have them camp objectives while my army deletes everything.

>>54915783
>assault cannon fires 6 shots
>you may add an additional shot to your assault cannon
>ASSAULT CANNON FIRES 12 SHOTS

>>54915783
Well, you're right, in the same way the Chainsword's ability gives a model with 2 attacks 3 attacks per fight instead of 4.

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>>54915722

Currently thinking about the same thing, I was going to go with Autoguns and heavy stubbers for four squads and then some mutant rabble for chaff. Really not many options for them, so just decide if you want them up close or at range.
How do you plan to model them? I wanted to make them look like the EXALT guys from XCOM, slightly ragtag militia with some hidden mutations.

>>54915775
Looks like a fun time was had.

>>54915798
Use them to bubble wrap tanks, shooty units and characters to keep them safe and unmolested

>>54915766
Thanks for the battle report champ

>>54915807
probably going to model them after real world guerrilla groups that the CIA has manipulated.

>>54915690
Missing on 2s is objectively worse than not rerolling 1s, and it also means no DttFE either.

Granted, you still hurt friendlies

>>54915792
>>54915796
>>54915802
>>54915803
That makes sense. Thanks all!

>>54915004
Thicc your paints

>>54915783
You get one additional shot, as in 3 instead of 2

Any other reading is just salty Taufags grasping at straws to keep being the cheesiest motherfuckers in the galaxy

Why did GW remove Melta-bombs?

Friend and I in store decided to test Lucius vs Kharn.
We did 10 melee fights to the death, because no one takes either of them for their guns, Kharn won 5 fights, Lucius won 4, the first fight was a draw from Lucius' Armor of Shrieking Souls killing Kharn while still suffering enough wounds to die.
We gave them their Legion traits and Warlord traits, their Warlord traits didn't do anything.
Kharn is slightly stronger, but Lucius is equally as deadly.

>>54915826
But then you don't wound marines on 2s. The AoBF is only good on a Juggerlord these days.

>>54915880
ye, but Lucius doesn't kill his buddies

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>>54914718
I am very new to Wrhammer 40k and I mostly play on Tabletop Simulator on Steam. If I commit to an army, which one should I go with? I personally think Chaos has the best and aesthetic and corpse emperor fags can go suck a big fat Tyranid dick but I am open to their game play mechanics.

>>54915766
Yarrick shows the glory boys how its done. How does it feel bringing conscripts rather than armor fist squads?

>>54915880
Is Kharn gets the charge he practically auto-wins.

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should i buy these chaos units and start using my greenwing DA as a fallen army

i've heard non deathwing/ ravenwing DA are just gimped now and i've always wanted to play chaos

>>54915878
Because they didn't.

>>54915909
But you are playing chaos, anon

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>>54915890
The gods have already chosen you, you have no choice. Download the rulebook and the chaos codex in the mega and figure out how you want to do it. But remember pic related.

>>54915909
Even if you don't go CSM, black DA are the best DA.

>>54915766
Quality posting Anon

>>54915909
>playing with marinelets

>>54915909
They're not gimped, they're just mediocre.

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>>54915917
Thank you for the tip fellow heretic.

>>54915889
Istvaan
>>54915908
We figured the best way to test them was to make it as even as possible, so neither was given the charge.

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>>54915903

It's not that bad. I've always played with some massed infantry since a) I like the way it looks, and b) in the lore hive gang militia are a big part of Armageddon III. If I didn't enjoy infantry I wouldn't have like 250 of them painted up.

I AM pissed about how absolute shit the chimera is, though. I have 13 of the things and can't justify taking one right now.
>50% more expensive
>no fire ports
>worse accuracy
>can't radio orders out of them
>taurox better at almost everything for less
>no amphibious

It's like GW's raging boner for their shitty pickup truck requires them to beat the chimera to death this edition while they roll their tongues all over their ugly tauroxen.

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>>54915933
>get in where on crusade
>oh wait you can't
>hahahaha
>Enjoy your expensive eldar transport space noob

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Please rate senpais.

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>>54915761
Yeah I've liked havocs in theory but it would feel weird to me to take T4 marines in an army whose primary unit is T5 marines, I'll definitely wait for the codex and see if a more "nurgly" option shows up before I buy anything.

>>54915933
>implying traitors even have any other choice

Since you can shoot in your units (unless they released an errata) you could fill your list with pathetic Vehicles and equip them with weapons to kill one another. Everytime you eliminate one of your vehicles the surroundings take D6 mortal wounds, it is a silly strategy i think you could pull of as Imperial Guard. You gonna have fun with it, your opponents most likely not.

>>54915961

>What are conversions?

>>54915931

Thanks, I'll probably post it again tomorrow afternoon. Wanted to test out the batrep templates and see how well it worked.

>>54915766
>SM player tries to play game tactically, going for objective
>IG player just runs him over by bringing broken units, no skill required

So Guard are new Tau confirmed.

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>>54915946
Yeah that does suck. I guess they want to sell TAUrox. Its an abomination, you can see it in the name. Thanks for the batrep

Also your mates storm lords share a name with a colour scheme only official chapter.

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>>54915940

Is Chapterhouse dead?

>>54915197

Oh jesus christ this smurf player is so dead

>>54916006

I might have remembered his chapter name wrong. It was definitely [something] Lords, but I can't recall exactly what. Great guy, had a ton of fun playing him.

Dubs decide if I should take the time to paint all of the gun casings in my army.

>>54916060
>not painting your gun casings

Disgusting.

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>>54916056
Hawk Lords? Looks like a minor variation on their scheme.

>>54916066
that was quick

>>54916066
Well that was fast.

>>54916056
And I'm sure he had fun with your WAAC conscript and scion list

>>54916079
there it is a shitposter who contributes nothing

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>>54916087
At least I don't run conscripts

New player here, can anyone tell me if psykers can deny inside a vehicle? My buddy is going to using his Grey Knight army so it would be probably be good to know

>>54916164
im not him.

>>54915974
Show me a chaos primaris conversion that isn't a lazy head and shoulders swap.

>>54916176
Do you run conscripts?

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>>54914754
>>54915242

>saying Word Bearers are anything but trash in this edition

>saying that summoning is anything other than an unreliable deep strike with extra steps and extra limitations

I'm willing to believe that you are particularly optimistic, but man, Word Bearers are pretty awful with the current 8th edition rules- arguably the worst power-armored faction in 40k right now. Their legion rule is pretty useless- mathematically it only even matters once your unit of CSM takes significant casualties in a single phase, and even then pretty rarely. You MIGHT benefit from it once in a game, but compared to Alpha Legion it's incredibly lackluster. Adding insult to injury is the fact that their legion rule is one of the default trinket-text rules that all Loyalist Space Marines have as a fluffy-but-not-super-relevant-bonus.

Their stratagem is barely better than the command point re-roll in the core book and it interacts with one of the more maligned rules in 8th edition by bumping it up from a mostly unreliable deep strike to a sort of reliable deep strike.

The only things they have going for them are that their warlord trait isn't horrible and their relic is a good substitute for the atrocious power-maul that a Dark apostle is forced to take.

They don't really do anything unique, powerful, or interesting. Their legion specialty is a strategy that was dumped on pretty hard in this edition. One would be best served looking elsewhere if they are looking for an army that can put up a fight.

So I've painted around half my army and the paint job is slowly getting better (yet still horrible), do people care about fighting a horribly painted army or is it better than the grey tide?

>>54915951
The mat is beautifully well-done

>>54916173
Units inside transports basically cannot do anything unless something on the vehicles rules allow them to.

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>>54916201
>Someone at GW honestly and unironically thought rerolling moral was equal to -1 hit

>>54916201
They have also the only Legion Trait that don't interact with Helbrutes and Characters at all.

>>54916202
Always better than grey tide

>>54915609
Shit you have no sense of humor do you?

>>54916202

Grey tide is the worst because it suggests you are only in the hobby for the competitive game and not the aesthetic aspects. Warhams really doesn't stand on its own as a competitive sport, so if you don't even bother with the aesthetic half you aren't much fun to play.

As long as you are making the effort to make the game experience more enjoyable to look at and play no one minds how rough young painting skills are. We all sucked once, some of us still do.

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So what are people's thoughts on Posessed with the slight buff in the codex? Do we think +1 wound is really enough to save them from the refuse bin?

I don't think so- I really dislike the random attacks feature- it seems like it'll bite them in the ass more often than not. For 22 points they're not really better than Khorne Berserkers at killing things in close combat- definitely fewer attacks. What they seem to have going for them is that they are slightly faster and more survivable.

What possible uses do we have for Posessed over other melee-oriented units like Terminators or Khorne Berserkers or mutilators?

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How are chaos spawns now for their cost? I want to know if it's worth saving points in a list so Magnus or that zappy tzeentch power can turn enemy character into one.

Also, does anyone know any good model alternative that isn't Gal vorbak for possessed marines?

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>>54915712
Are Bloat Drones worth using? I've yet to build mine from the starter box because it seems lackluster as fuck

Never played 40k before just going by rule of cool I bought

>2 Chimeras
>4 Guardsmen Squads (3 have Vox Caster + Officer and heavy weapon)
>1 Taurox Prime
>1 Militarum Tempestus Squad
>1 Commissar
>1 Militarum Tempestus Command Squad

Can I defeat my powergaming friends? Haha. I wonder how many points that is actually.

>They descended upon us, not on the Emperor’s orders but those of Warmaster Horus. We knew nothing of this at the time. Only later would we learn that the Emperor had demanded we return to Terra under shameful arrest. It was Horus, manipulating the tides of the war before it was even truly declared, who arranged for our censure to become our execution. He wanted us to despise the Imperium. He wanted us– those who survived– to stand with him against the Emperor when we had nowhere else to turn.

>And the Wolves obliged him. In their ignorance, as tragic as our own, they fell upon us. Even now, I do not hate the Wolves. Their only sin was to be betrayed by those they trusted. In that more innocent age, they had no reason to doubt the First Warmaster’s words.

>The Black Legion has its own name for the Wolves. We call them Thulgarach, ‘the Deceived’. Some of us sneer the title, while others say it without mockery. The word itself places emphasis on the cunning of the deceiver, rather than foolishness of the deceived. The destruction of Prospero was Horus’s triumph, not the Wolves’.

>As for the Thousand Sons, I do not know what they call the Wolves, any more. I have little truck with my former Legion and its melancholic overlords. Not since I made my father Magnus kneel before my brother Abaddon.

-Talon of Horus

Alright, guys. Can you explain why the Thousand Sons stayed traitor after they realized that Horus was the guy who passed the death sentence and that the Space Wolves did nothing wrong?

>>54916273
Still new as fuck but mine haven't disappointed, it's pretty fast and pretty tough, plague spitters put in work against infantry.

>>54916202
>>54916225
>>54916248
Yeah. Poorly painted is better than not painted. Especially as you are generally looking at shit from 2-6 feet away.

And you DO get better over time. Slowly, you can ever start replacing the mediocre models or stripping them to have another go.

Now, you will be judged for being a shit painter...but if it is grey tide you get judged for being a WAAC faggot and a general piece of shit.

>>54916253
>I really dislike the random attacks feature- it seems like it'll bite them in the ass more often than not

Probability says you're wrong

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>>54916218
>>54916223

It makes me mad that their official stance is "ACTUALLY morale is super relevant and this trait SIGNIFICANTLY increases the survivability of units with it."

>tfw you realize that all the other legion traits work with stuff beyond normal infantry

Did GW just decide they hated these guys, or what?

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>>54915343
In the beginning Vindies (and the Sabres which led to them..) were nasty AF specialist tank-hunters. It's gone back to that instead of being "tank-hunter and also Terminator removal" like it was in 4e. Technically that's a nerf but really it's not much of a problem

>>54916273
it's fucking broken, i know because i run 2. Super resilient and its double flamer fucks everything in their ass.

>>54916294
Can't really renege on selling your legions souls to chaos can you?

>>54916292

Depending what you make them as anywhere from 600-1000 points

It would make a very bad 1000 list though

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>>54916028
I was actually looking into this tonight. afaik it looks like it. the web store is still up but dont expect any orders to be filled. Shame too as I was seriously wanting the stormraven conversion kit.

>>54916253
They're so much more durable. Even Terminators only have 1 wound.
Cast Delightful Agonies and Prescience on them, give them the Icon of Excess, and use Excess of Violence stratagem on them and they'll rip through hordes like a hot knife through butter.
Even without those bonus options they're a solid option, hard to kill, fast, deadly in melee.
>>54916255
Warp Spawn are okay, they're actually moderately deadly and worth their points.
The zappy power is a free Spawn.

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>>54916304

My personal preference is to avoid too many random elements. If they had d3+1 random attacks, they'd be great.

I think in most situations 2 attacks is the bare minimum a unit needs to be considered good, or at least decent, at close combat. 3 is pretty good.

Statistically speaking, you have a close-combat oriented unit that's going to be performing below-average 33% of the time. Doesn't it seem reasonable to look to other CSM units with a more reliable number of attacks?

It's like playing at a slot machine where your options are go badly, break even, do well when you could just take an option that lets you break even 100% of the time.

>>54916319
>Did GW just decide they hated these guys, or what?

Can't hate what you literally don't give a shit about

>>54916201
>saying that summoning is anything other than an unreliable deep strike with extra steps and extra limitations
summoning is midgame list tailoring. it has its uses.

>>54916294
>Not since I made my father Magnus kneel before my brother Abaddon.

????

>>54915951
Needs something, mabye ink, otherwise nice job.

>>54916352

exactly what I was looking at too

god the normal stormraven is ugly

>>54916292
You're probably going to want another officer so you can have a company commander and a platoon commander.

>>54916334
Yes, you can. You just have to say no to Chaos like the Alpha Legion, Night Lords, and even Abby are doing.

>>54916319
>Did GW just decide they hated these guys, or what?
No, they decided that years ago.

>>54916345
I'm pretty confused by the whole 'detachment' thing and how to structure your army. I feel like the index doesn't explain it very well. How did you guys figure it out?

Death Guard release details when?????

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>>54916299
>>54916333
Thankyou my Nurglite brothers, time to spend my next workshift brainstorming conversion ideas.

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>>54916356

>Terminators only have 1 wound

they most certainly do not

My concern with Posessed being good with psychic powers is that everything is good with psychic powers. All of the suggestions you have for making Posessed better also work with a great deal of other more reliable units. To me, directing all that effort at making a seemingly lackluster unit is reminiscent of trying to polish a turd- it may work well, but at the end of the day it's still a turd.

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>>54916406
September, wouldn't be surprised if it was 9/9/2017 just to fuck with us.

Shoulda been 7/7/2017, but despite Mortarion, combat PMs and the Terminator kits being finished long before GWs reveal vids they still have the nerve to blueball the hell out of Chaos' new poster boyz.

Cunts

>>54916401
By being around before 6E and then watching GW slowly introduce the concept.

>>54916369

I will admit that being able to choose Daemons on the fly for the situation is a decent upside.

However the requirements and limitations are still enough to make it pretty bad.

-can't summon if your characters are dead

-can't summon if your character moves

-must be placed within 12" of your character and 9" away from the enemy.

-requires die-rolling and thus is subject to bad luck. Now that Deep Strike is automatic, this looks pretty bad by comparison.

-Able to crit-fail and kill your character: their stratagem fixes this, but it sucks to have to spend command points on something that should just be free.

>>54916401

Well, depending on your point level you can have 2+ detachments

For simplicity sake just go with one as your starting out. The bare bones basic detachment is the patrol detachment which is a minimum requirement of one HQ and one troop. You can then take up to 2 more troops, 2 elites, 2 fast attack, etc.

The commander in your command box is your company commander, who is an HQ

An example of a troop choice is an infantry squad, a group of ten dudes, so you have four troops.

Your Tempestus squad is an elite choice.

Your commisar is an elite (or an HQ if you want a lord commisar)

Your command squad is an elite

Note that you have three elites, but you can only have 2 in the patrol detachment, so you can instead take a battalion detachment which gives you more options, but requires 2 HQs and 3 troops at a minimum, but grants you additional CP.

I think you can figure it out at this point.

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>>54916319
>Did GW just decide they hated these guys, or what?
They've always under-performed. They were weak in Traitor Legions as well.

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>>54916362
>>54916399

>>54916401
its fairly straightnforward.
whats stumping you?

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>>54916462
If Lorgar can't be bothered to try, why should his sons?

Word Bearers lamest now and forever.

>>54916387
>like the Alpha Legion, Night Lords
Big difference between, "naaah I'll pass on pledging my soul" and "pls save me tzeentch"

>>54916462
>when your legplate turns into a fucking demon and you pierce its nose

>>54916401
All those force org charts are detachments. You can have as many as your points allow/established restrictions allow. Detachment bonuses are locked to that detachment such as legion traits.

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>>54916462

Unfortunately you're right. I got into 40k around 4th edition because I picked up the first Word Bearers book and thought it was awesome. It saddens me greatly that my beloved first faction has had to deal with GW shitting on them from the minute they had unique rules.

>>54916477
What's the advantage of them?

>>54916499
You get extra command points

>>54916499
Remember how 3-6 had one force org and then 7th had formations? Best of both worlds.

>>54916458
Alright, I'll just structure my future purchases around what detachments I need so that I can get the bonuses from them.

>>54916495
I liked that series too. Make sure to check out the short stories "Torment" and "Vox Dominus" if you haven't already. They should be somewhere in the OP.

>>54916462

I have heard from my friends who play 30k that Word Bearers have been good in that system.

Of course, it's not that they themselves have good rules- their legion rules and abilites are mostly shite, and Gal Vorbak only get you so far. Apparently They're good because they allow you to bring a 40k faction (Chaos Daemons) into the comparatively weaker and overcosted 30k rules.

>>54916462
In a way, I've moved beyond GWs contempt for my legion. They've never had the most interesting rules, and they even gave away our HQ unit to everyone else.

I just build them because they're my legion now, my fluff, my design, and ultimately, I have faith that they'll bring me victory.

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>>54916380
im half tempted to just grab the FW stormeagle and do something similar to this. but idk how hard getting something like this together would really be. Or if it would really be worth it in the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48dc0zyL-sA

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>>54916356
>The zappy power is a free Spawn.
No, every addition you make in game cost points.

Read page 214, Second paragraph on Reinforcement points.

>>54916253
Probably the main thing they have going for them is that they count as daemons. So they're better as a space marine drop in a daemon army because you'll benefit from herald buffs and things like the psychic powers that only work on daemon units, some of which are pretty good.

>>54916511
>painting the canopies

This is almost as bad as painting Necron gauss rods.

If I'm running Thousand Sons, can I use daemon units to help fill out slots in a detachment since they all have the Chaos faction or do the daemons have to be in a separate detachment?

I don't care about losing legion tactics because I don't have any.

>>54916529
yes. long as you have the same faction keyword (chaos) you can

>>54916462
I actually appreciated Word Bearers then, mostly for not being Iron Warriors. I always imagined them like older evil Black Templars, an infantry WB army looking like Chaos Warriors would be sick. That'll never work though. At least Relic liked them.

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>>54916526
I agree with you about canopies but Lego gauss rods are trash.

Reminder that Berzerkers are still troops in a World Eaters list as per Index benefits.

Reminder that there are assblasted Slaneeshfags RIGHT NOW trying to misinform people about this.

>>54916529
yeah thats fine. detatchment only needs to share a single keyword. between all units.

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I don't think the GW reps on their FB page actually understand how their game works.

>>54916552
Nobody likes them because they are too generic. They're not even edgy in a fun/special way like Night Lords/Emperor's Children, just boring mustache-twirling cartoon villains.

Which is why they're always getting btfo in Black Templar artwork.

>>54916571
Never once have I failed moral on my already high Ld CSM.

>>54916571
They also said Berzerkers can only be taken on a Vanguard detachment despite the Index having rules allowing you to use them as troops if you play World Eaters.

I wouldn't take anything the FB team says as value, wait for the actual FAQs to fix shit.

>>54916571
GW barely can play their game. They botch the rules all the times and push power points for a reason

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>>54916605

I don't think Word Bearers can be fixed with a FAQ. Some things are just too far gone. It'd be like proscribing ibuprofen for a brain tumor.

Want to run a coubts as idea past people.

I want to build a chapter serf auxilla for.my marine army using IG rules. For my russes to keep things marine equipped I was thinking of taking a vidicitator and giving it the predators sponsons and turret (which has the autocannon replaced by whatever hull weapon i equip the russ with).

would that fly with people as close enough to WYSIWYG.

>>54916627
Sounds unnecessarily complicated to be honest

Why are Devastators even a thing when vehicles exist?

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Their lackluster rules make me want to start a force even more because I know I won't be associated with WAACfags that jump on whatever army is currently powerful.

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>>54916627

That just sounds like allying with IG but with extra steps

If the people you play with are chill, do whatever floats your boat. Likely be easier to ally IG with your SM and model/flavor them as armed/trained chapter serfs.

>>54915004
I love all the caked in frost / snow in the crevices, it's a great aff... wait a minute.

>>54916661
Why are vehicles even a thing when Devastators exist?

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>>54916666

If you play Word Bearers and someone accuses you of being a WAACfag or of powergaming, congrats!, you have just discovered an idiot.

is it over yet? imperials won week 3?

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>>54916666
>6666
The chaos gods speak clearly now.

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>>54916666
Looks like you need to start a Slanneshi-focused force.

Why the fuck doesn't GW include the bits? If a unit can use it, put it in the fucking kit!

>>54916693
isn't it obvious?
when you pit the partrician factions against NPCs and edgy teen/russkie factions, there isn't any other way out

>>54916711
The campaign should have been Imperium vs the xenos alliance. It would have been better.

>>54916571

This is an hold over from the old trope of evil aligned armies suffering from leadership issues. The whole idea of being self serving and less organized for a common purpose than the armies of good.

>>54916724

With any luck that will be next

>>54916709
They're doing this now by removing all those options in the codexes.

>>54916333
I honestly have a hard time trying to think about what options they could give the bloat drone that would be better than its flamers.

>>54916733
Then justify when would the xenos fight alongside each other

>>54916724
>xenos alliance
How the hell would that work, well I guess you can asspull cooperation for all but nids
Are xenos even more popular than chaos cause otherwise we got the same problem

>>54916742

Wait until the next codex/edition it'll be the other one..

>>54916737
How do Harlequin armies even field anything other than Kisses because of that stupid kit?

>>54916754
Index.

>>54916754
Go on eBay and fork over $10 like every other squad that needs multiple wargear that the box only gives one of.

>>54916724
An imperium vs Eldar/tau alliance would be interesting, especially if they could fluff up a reason to add one or two more xenos races to the alliance like orks being manipulated into attacking imperial space. Let chaos act as the wild card along with non alliance xenos.

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Why dont Orkanauts have more weapon options

>>54916690
They move faster, have better armor and often also better guns. Now answer me.

>>54915302
Guard players always have a fully painted army and take a lot of game photos. It's a very refreshing player archtype.

>>54916754

Swords look better IMO. Call them whatever you want most people aren't going to argue. If you mix weapons in the squad use the right bits or give the mini something distinctive to mark it out.

>>54916749
>>54916746

Eldar go to the Necron courts, Tau Sept councils, Ork warbands, and attempt to commune with the hivemind.

Eldar convince all the xenos forces to band together to take on the Imperium.

>>54916770
Because Cawl needed them for the Repulsors.

>>54916766
All cept nids plausible
Eldar deldar tau cooperation
Necron overlord finds benefit in a temporary ceasefire, ork mercenaries

>>54916746

Simple, it isn't fluffed as a singular united action by Xenos, rather that by chance, or perhaps because some of them saw the opportunity to capitalize on Chaos actions, the various Xenos races are all launching their own attacks. Instead of the different areas they had for Konor, do different planets/sectors where each one is Imperium and one of the Xenos. See which Xenos gain ground and which get shut down.

>>54916766
Eldar are the Imperium's allies now.

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>>54916782
>commune with the hivemind

>>54916782
>Not using a genestealer cult

>Something was wrong. A sensation at the back of her mind. The sensation grew teeth, became pain.

>Her soul was gripped by agony.

>Iyanna screamed, falling from the edge of the couch. The pain abated, then squeezed her anew. She vomited.

>The dead were dismayed. The blow against her raced out across her attack group, leaping from mind to mind. Wraithbomber engines guttered out. The Wraithborne’s sleek cruisers turned viciously, wallowing in psychic swell.

>Bright light burned at Iyanna’s soul. A long tunnel telescoped away, encompassing infinite distance. A tube stabbed through the fabric of the world. She felt its ripples in the warp. She felt its ripples in the webway.

>She had the sense of an eye, slave to a great power. An intellect that dwarfed the Great Wheel of the galaxy. She opened her second sense, to find the Dragon looking at her with terrible regard.

>For aeons it seemed it held her in its gaze. And there was fury in that examination.

>The Dragon was angry, and it was angry with her. Not with the galaxy, or this sector, or her species. But with her personally. The promise of endless torment came from it, her very being enslaved to its ends and used against others, her body rebuilt over and again so that it might suffer the Dragon’s revenge.

>Terror of a kind she could not have conceived of flooded her mind. She screamed again, and this time every eldar in the fleet screamed with her.

-From Wraithflight (short story) by Guy Haley

The Hivemind made personal contact with Iyanna to make its intentions for her clear. Clearly, the Hivemind is capable of communication.

>>54916798
Ya, talking to nids bioform known as "Keira Sennigen"

>>54916788
This combination of a quote so good and a picture so goofy is one of my favorite things

>>54916770
Why did they have to make the fat-ass gorkanaut instead of releasing a plastic megadread?

>>54916775
Does that work in ITC tourneys?

>>54916791
But the question is
All xenos vs iom, will that be close or atleast closer than the current match uo?

>>54916786
Eaiest way to get nids in the alliance side is say that the Eldar have managed to put a hive fleet on a direct path to Terra via subtle 1000 tear manipulation bullshit. So they're attacking the imperium at a convenient time for the xenos alliance but not really a member.
>>54916792
For now.

Daily reminder that the Tyranids have a species called the zoats that act as their diplomats

>>54916815
>>The promise of endless torment came from it, her very being enslaved to its ends and used against others, her body rebuilt over and again so that it might suffer the Dragon’s revenge.
Infested Eldar when?

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>>54916666
>tfw played Death Guard since the 3rd ed codex due to liking their legion fluff gasmask aesthetic and trench warfare/attrition tactics
>hurr durr T5 spam, way to powergame

I've never had a bike/jump unit, and all my vehicles walk. Their jealousy and ineptitude fuels my hatred.

>>54916825
Picture looks pretty badass to me desu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N0D3HBqRqU

>Haven't played any GW tabletop game since 4th edition W40K
>Really want to get into the new Necromunda
How come there are only two new sets though? Is it a tease or are they really bringing it back? I always wanted to play it but the local community around me had almost no Necromunda players

>>54916762
Good luck finding Harlequin wargear on ebay...

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New Deathwatch codex when? Primaris flyer when?

I want Primaris Deathwatch (pic-related, not my model), and the Repulsor is too slow.

>>54916854

They've always started with just a starter box and two teams for the rebooted shit. FW will add more bit by bit. Go look at how Blood Bowl was done.

>>54916843
Zoats are extinct, anon. The ones that weren't killed by the Imperium were consumed by the Hive because they outlived their purpose.

>>54916840

Closer I would think. Not for all of them, but there are some Xenos factions that have enough players that I think they could gain some ground. In an Ideal world Nids Orks and maybe crons would get some victories and becomes threats in the narrative.

>>54916871

Of course what would actually happen is that the shit tons of Tau fags would come out in force.

>>54916862
>New Deathwatch codex when?
First half of 2018 if I have to hazard a guess.
>Primaris flyer when?
Undoubtedly soon given GW's need to constantly give marines more models.
>I want Primaris Deathwatch
You'll probably get those with your codex.

>>54916862
Why is it whenever you see theses god tier paint jobs they are on a mid tier base.

>>54916890
Bases often go ignored in favor of the model, and it would reason that those doing highly advanced model paintjobs spent all their time focusing on model techniques rather than basing techniques.

Bases and terrain are a very neglected area of the hobby.

>>54916882
So tau are very populous? This is good for xenos campaigns

>>54916840
I want to say they'd be more competitive, but I don't have any concrete numbers to back that up.

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>>54916164
Better pic

>>54916890
because
>muh cork

>>54916911
Corkfags proven once again to be the worst.

If I make a space pirate Ork Freebota army with mounds of Dakka, will I get blasted with autism?

>>54916669
>Likely be easier to ally IG with your SM and model/flavor them as armed/trained chapter serfs.
thats what I'm doing. I jusy wanted to give them a counts as russ made of marine tank parts. as its the chapter rather than the departmento munitorum that equips them.

>>54916894
>Bases and terrain are a very neglected area of the hobby.
Kinda wish they stayed, since now GW isn't counting painted models in FoK unless the bases are covered.

Back in my day we didn't have to do that. It was 'paint your model and your good to go'.

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>>54916786
>>54916766
>>54916724
I think everyone is forgetting the easiest way to justify ANY alliance.

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>>54916782
>Eldar convince all the xenos forces to band together to take on the Imperium

Sounds like them to be honest