EDH/Commander General /edhg/

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You guys ever consider playing a real format?

>>54913707
>What's your favorite new card out of C17?
Teferi's agoraphobia

>>54913744
No, not even considered.

>>54913744
I did my Type 1, 1.5 and 2 playing in my more formative years. I don't need to prove anything to anyone. I enjoy playing commander, and if I do feel the need to win that hard, I'll play sealed.

>>54913744
You think I started with EDH? The other formats are shit, save maybe pauper.

Why the fuck would I want to spend $1000 or more for a competitive modern deck? Or a similar amount for standard only to have it all rotate out?

Don't even get me started on legacy/vintage.

>>54913759
Teferi's "C'mon guys I gotta take a shit."

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From previous thread:

>>54913714
Ok, you tell me where on this sheet you can see "Legendary Planeswalker"? Also that would mean Hostage Taker is still broken as fuck.

>>54913743
Second row tenth card looks like there is another word before "planeswalker". Could be legendary.

>>54913744
You ever considered shitposting on a real board?

>>54913744
Yes, but my entire collection is singles and I'd have to spend like 700 bucks on a good deck that may or may not win.

But eventually I will.

>>54913793
>Why the fuck would I want to spend $1000 or more for a competitive modern deck?

>tfw you spent $200 on Affinity back in the early days of Modern and have had to spend maybe $10 keeping it up to date throughout the years

It's great.

>>54913800
I hate how wizards said that they acknowledged that people hated the gatewatch, and goes and prints a new jace. Just fucking stop shoehorning them in every set.

>>54913744
Only play EDH, vintage, and legacy.

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>>54913823
Also from previous thread.

>>54913800
Look at Jace, top left.
His ultimate says you make two copies of him, except they're not legendary.

>>54913815
Hostage Taker is either getting a day 1 errata, or they're going to close that entire rules loophole.

>>54913793
>The other formats are shit
the only shit format is standard and thats because it rotates to fast

>>54913900
It takes WotC like three years to react to the fanbase because set designs are done so far in advance.

>>54913793
Standard pauper is my newest drug.

>>54913900
If I have to see one more Gideon I'm going to snap. There are a million other planeswalker they could bring back but nope.

Might as well build a gideon edh deck once we have enough gideon-related stuff.

>>54913823
>Also that would mean Hostage Taker is still broken as fuck.

Can someone explain how Hostage Taker and Legendary Planeswalkers supposedly intersect at all?

>>54913907
Hadn't had anyone point out the Jace one, only the R/W one, but yeah that seems pretty clear. And I don't know how they missed the Hostage Taker fuck up. So easy to fix too, just add may, or other.

>>54913906
How does one get into legacy?

>>54913944
Hostage taker just takes the entire game hostage.

>
When Hostage Taker enters the battlefield, exile target artifact or creature until Hostage Taker leaves the battlefield. You may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any type to cast that spell.
2/1

>>54913953
Take out a mortgage

>>54913951
>just add may

That wouldn't fix it, since the real issue is that it goes infinite with cards like Vela or Impact Tremors. If you can still voluntarily go infinite with it, it's a broken card.

>>54913944
They don't, but since they are on the same sheet, if one's real so is the other.

>>54913967
Yeah, but someone outline where "Also that would mean" that comes in.

>>54913920
I thought they said that their defeat in Hour of Devastation was a reaction to the hatred on the gatewatch.

>>54913978
It goes infinite with itself is the problem. Game's a draw.

>>54913991
Oh I see. Probably just the confirmation that the card is real too like >>54913979
said.

>>54913979
Hold on, are you crying fake on the entire sheet? So, you're suggesting someone commissioned a bunch of MtG artists and printed their own sheet for a prank? If any of this was just art lifted from the internet, people would've caught it the first day.

If they don't either do a day 1 errata or some kind of massive rules overhaul, then Hostage Taker is a self-contained infinite ETB/LTB trigger in itself (and it's not a game lock since you can choose to target something else whenever)

>>54914003
It only goes infinite with itself if you have literally no other targets. If there are other targets, they can just call a judge on you for slow play.

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>>54914017
Prepare to lose!

>>54914007
No, I am admitting they are more likely real than not. My point is that there are still issues with being real i.e. Hostage Taker.

>>54913969
I've already priced it out, I can build b/r reanimator for like $500, with the singles I have. That's hardly a mortgage, that's like a month of fancy groceries.

>>54914017
Impact Tremors / Purphoros / Vela / etc all say hi.

>>54914032
Please follow the conversation. I already mentioned that.

>>54914017
If there are any ETB triggers then it's banned in every format where it's legal.

>>54914047
Apologies, just ignore me in that case.

>>54914040
See >>54914047

I said >>54913978
They responded >>54914003

That interaction was already covered.

>>54914017
And you don't see someone dropping this, fuck even in standard, after a board-wipe and no artifacts out? It will happen.

>>54914070
I don't, because I'm entirely certain it will either have a day one errata or they're going to change the fundamental interaction of the loop.

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>>54914073
Mairsil is probably the best thing to come out of C17.

>>54913886
>>tfw you spent $200 on Affinity back in the early days of Modern and have had to spend maybe $10 keeping it up to date throughout the years
>It's great.
Not all of us are so lucky, anon.

>>54913917
Please, then, defend the ridiculous prices to get into modern or, god forbid, vintage/legacy?

>>54913953
Either live near some people tbat play or play on cockatrice or some other free online program. Legacy isn't played everywhere so you've got to check if any stores nearby have tournaments, most don't.

>>54914087
Day one errata, while shitty and I expect better from Wizards at this point, is acceptable. but:

> they're going to change the fundamental interaction of the loop

That would be one hell of a change to the game. What would you propose for such a change?

>>54914114
I didnt say they werent expensive

>>54913967
Either fake or it comes with a rules change.

>>54914120
>What would you propose for such a change?
"Permanents are no longer legal targets for their own effects."
Screencap this.

>>54913998
Except they didnt really get defeated, they just walked away

>>54914129
REEEEEEEEEEEE

It can't be true!

>>54913907
>His ultimate says you make two copies of him, except they're not legendary.
Planeswalkers aren't legendary.

>>54914133
I said defeated, not killed.

>>54914124
Go watch the Professor's video showing how many quality board games you can buy for the price of a single modern deck.

>>54914155
They are/will be in Ixalan.

>>54914120
A simple dependency clause. If the ability of a permanent with a duration of "for as long as you control that permanent" would exile that permanent, it doesn't.

>>54914155
They're about to be.

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>>54914129
>"Permanents are no longer legal targets for their own effects."

Are you retarded? That would affect the game so fundamentally that I don't even know. And that's not counting shit that was designed to be targeted by its own shit.

>>54914170
>>54914182
Source?

>>54913744
Considered Legacy; price is an issue but manaless dredge looks promising.

>>54914193
http://imgur.com/a/2Oq02
5 over, 3 down is Jace

>>54914169
I didnt say they werent expensive

>>54914173
Better than 54914129's suggestion, but still not terribly intuitive or simple. I'd rather the day one errata.

>>54914186
You do know when something says "... on [this]" that isn't targetting itself, right?
It has to specifically use the word "target" to be targetting something. If it uses its own name, it's not targetting at all.

>>54914207
I know you didn't. I'm asking you to justify the price when you can build several EDH decks for the cost or buy a whole collection of board games.

When the decks are that expensive just to be competitive, the format sucks.

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>>54914133
>they didn't really get defeated
>Synapses crumbled. Pain blossomed. Insanity beckoned. A towering wave of darkness rose in the distance. Jace knew the crash of that wave meant dissolution. Mind-death.
>"Away," Bolas said. "Away. I will find you, and then we will talk. There are so many useful matters to discuss. Go now, Liliana Vess."
>Pain coursed through her body. Several of her ribs were broken. - Wow, that's a lot of pain.
>She realized the truth now. She never had a chance. The land had submitted to Bolas long ago, had acknowledged its master. She had to be away, away, but the tendrils of corruption held her in place.
>He willed his body through the Blind Eternities, the hole the dragon left in his shoulder only the most visible of his wounds.
>they didn't really get defeated

>>54914193
see >>54913823 and >>54913907

If you look closely in the large image, Jace, Vraska, and the RW planeswalker all appear to have a supertype.

If you look at the corner with Jace in it, his ability clearly states "two tokens that are copies of Jace", "Castaway except they're not", and "ary". There's not really any other word that could possibly fit there at the end other than legendary, and there's no way the ability could work as written without switching Planeswalkers onto the Legendary Rule.

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>>54914223
I was referring to stuff that does say target, but was designed with the idea of being able, and possibly wanting to, target itself. See pic related.

>>54914220
They may go with the rules revision because:
>It closes out the interaction with Alligned Hedron Network
>It keeps them from having to do work around it with any future cards
>It shaves just a bit of rules text off of cards

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I'm begging for super-secret Mimeoplasm tech.

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>>54914271

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any sellers to avoid on TCGplayer? Any really trusted ones? I only wanna buy like 2 bucks worth of stuff right now

Reposting from.last thread

So bought a few cheap foil commons at my lgs to de ink and turn into tokens for my shiny zada deck.

I've seen tutorials that used acetone and a cottonball to quickly get the ink off. I tried the same thing today (96% acetone and a paper tpwel) and after 20 minutes of decently hard circles manages to de ink maybe 40% Of the card. I read that cards from older sets are harder to do but it can't be this difficult, am I doing something wrong?

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>that guy who drops all his lands on turn 1

>>54914382
use the cart optimizer to order it all from tcg direct. avoid spanky like the plague

>>54914452
How much acetone are you applying? You don't want to douse them, but the cards can take a bit more than you first think. Also it does depend what set they're from. My local artfag says Dragon's Maze comes off easily.

>>54913744
Yes, I play Legacy

Big Red all day, baybee

>>54913744
I play Modern. So no.

>>54914473
What's wrong with Spanky? I've never bought from him but I'd like to know.

anyone have that shitty mspaint comic where the guy decides to play commander after surveying all the other formats in the store?

I don't think this semen slurping format is for me guys.

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>>54914073
God I love these, thanks anon.

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>>54914685

>>54914703
What are you, some sort of faggot, don't want to slurp semen?

>>54914716
thanks

>>54913744
>You guys ever consider playing a real format?

Doesn't interest me. I can watch tournaments on Twitch and that's about as close as I want to get to that.

>>54914716
This image is pretty great.

"containment zone".

>>54914098

I feel like I'm a crazy person because everybody is excited but I have no interest at all in mairsil, had no interest in kraj and this is just the same shit. Convoluted activated ability jank is boring to me

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>>54914685
>>54914716
There's also this one.

>>54914452
i thought about doing this, I hope it isn't hard
Also thought it would be funny to have a token of mairsil with a rat head photoshopped on him for when he exiles a pack rat.

Also I have a expidition arid mesa that I immediately doublesleeved and packed away and don't feel like bringing to the store. Playgroup doesn't seem to mind proxies if you own the card.

>>54915011
For me, convoluted jank is the heart and soul of EDH. It's what I play for.

>>54915037

I always cringe when people explain the convoluted jank in their decks to me

>>54915066
Why is that? EDH is the only format where such jank can actually be playable to some degree.

>>54915077
Because I'd rather talk about my convoluted jank.

>>54915104
Now that's what I like to hear.

>>54915077

It just seems masturbatory

I like seeing somebody pull of some cool multi step instant speed play to interact with the opponent, for instance, like maybe they flickered a dude, got a Tutor to hand, tutored a thing to top deck, cantripped, then cast the thing, all in response. That's cool.

What I don't like is watching some dude giggle about how he got to put all these charge counters on things and waste all our goddamn time while losing the game

need to cut 5 cards, any suggestions? http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/new-thda/

>>54915136
With all of the artifact mana you run, you could easily cut 2-3 lands and be fine.

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>>54915130
Tutoring for an answer is literally the opposite of interesting or cool, instant speed or not.

Unless they tutored for fucking Nix or some shit.

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>>54914705
Well here's some more.

>>54915130
>>54915235
Probably my best example of something like this is having made a Feldon copy of Arcum Dagsson, sacrificing itself, and getting Witchbane Orb to protect myself from a Bojuka Bog.

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>Calling Dr. Jank
>The Jank Man
>Caging Private Ryan
>Two Girls, One Cage
>Jank Fiction
>2001: A Cage Odyssey
>Soylent Cage
>Honey, I Caged the Kids
>Caged Heat
>Can't Stop the Jank
>Cage Royale
>Cageablanca
>Cage-22
>A Cagework Orange

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>>54915235
I don't think I've ever tutored for Nix, but I do play it in my Mishra storm deck. All my instants are counter spells, and when combined with Possibility Storm...

>>54915295
Admittedly, that does imply some skillful deckbuilding as well. It is a pretty janky synergy.

>>54915326
Fun and cute!

>>54913744
I have a big collection but I don't really have the interest or the money to play standard or modern.

>>54914535
I was putting the cotton ball on the tip of the bottle and giving it a quick up turn.

Do enough to get about half the ball with acetone

It's not puddling but holy crap these cards are taking work

I had a newer foil from Hou (basic land, that came off in like 12 seconds

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>>54915320
How long until we get an art alter on Mairsil that's just Nicholas Cage's face.

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>>54915424
>not putting Nicholas Cage in the Cage

>>54915424
Make it vampires kiss cage and I'd run the shit out of that. Alternatively, 9mm cage could also work.

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>>54915468
That's gonna be a little difficult if he's a non-permanent

>>54915468
>Putting Mairsil's face on Nicolas Cage's head
>Putting Nicolas Cage's in Micolash's cage
>putting Micolash's cage in Mairsil's cage

>>54915481
Holy fuck that is hilarious.

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>>54915481
It really is too bad. Even when he is a creature, you still can't put him in the cage.

>>54915583
I love this card.

why is C17 so much worse than C16?

>>54915800
Because there isn't a pure value commander that can be run just for the color schemes.
Otherwise the decks themselves are perfectly fine, wizards is a bit on the weaker side but has tons of draw engines and vampires is actually really decent if your shit can stick a whole turn.
Cats has a strong presence from start to finish and dragons has the potential to be dropping bombs every turn after they get past the early game.

>>54913707
I kinda need some tips on how to upgrade the mana base well because I'm on a budget(for the dragon c17), I know chromatic lantern is a good idea, but I'm not sure what beyond that. Like I'm thinking if it's too hard to pull off should I just go vampires. Dragons seem cool cause they're big

>>54915860
>Because there isn't a pure value commander that can be run just for the color schemes.

Kess is pretty close.

>>54910327
>using EDHrec for suggestions as to what to put into a deck is netdecking now

brewfags are the worst

Have you guys ever murdered an Atraxa player irl?

>>54915950
No because I like them. They always get saltier than anyone else when they lose. It's great.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/avacyn-is-best-angel/
What do you think?
Still working on the name.

>>54915950
why?

How do you guys feel about 1v1 EDH? Regular or duel.

>>54916267
It's the only version of EDH played in my LGS so I suck it up and play 1v1
I'd prefer actual EDH since it seems more jank-friendly

>>54916267
I dislike that it has a separate banlist and different rules. At that point I would just play modern instead.

In conclusion: I think it's stupid.

>>54916267
I like it but I think they're too heavy handed with the bans and the 20 life total is ridiculous.

>>54915950
You'll learn to enjoy playing vs superfriends once you brew a Purphoros.

Cloudstone Curio is too fuggin' expensive.

What are some other ways I can exploit Edgar Markov?

>>54916539
>Cloudstone Curio is too fuggin' expensive.
>less than $9

Are you serious? How much do you spend on lunch? Just eat ramen for a couple meals or something.

>>54916557
I don't spend that much on cards. All my decks are $40 and under, spending $9 on one non-essential card is fucking retarded.

>>54916593
>spending $9 on one non-essential card is fucking retarded.
Welcome to MTG, enjoy your stay
May you keep that state of mind a long time

>>54916593
MtG isn't the worst thing to sink money into. Cloudstone has kept a decent price for a long time, so it's not like a movie or some drinks. You'll be able to sell or trade it if you get tired of it.

>>54916658
>>54916686
I don't want to sink money into this game. I already spend enough.

I have 4 EDH decks that I've spent about $100 on for singles and stitched the rest together with prerelease pulls and trades.

$9 singles just does not fit into that. Maybe I can trade for it down the line, but I'm not going to buy that shit.

Now give me some goddamn Edgar Markov tech fuckers.

>>54916726
Phyrexian Altar, Cloudstone Curio, 2 one-drop vamps, and Blood Artist. :^)

>>54916726
>I don't want to sink money into this game
>4 EDH decks
>$100 in singles
>Multiple prereleases
It's too late dude, you're one of us

>>54916744
Don't forget Sneak Attack to substitute for the vamps!

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>>54916726
>give me some tech

>>54916726
Bloodghast
Bloodline Keeper
Drana, Liberator of Malakir

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>>54916726
Kalitas.

what are some good token generators in grixis colors? I wanna make Mairsil sacrifice bullshit

>>54916867
There's a lot of red Goblin creation effects.

>>54916824
Is that your deck?

>tfw no one to play with
>just started the hobby again and I am a veteran beginner

>>54916867
Locust faggod
Bitterblossom
Endrek Sahr

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>>54916726
>I have 4 EDH decks that I've spent about $100 on for singles and stitched the rest together with prerelease pulls and trades.
Oh anon.

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>>54913744

>>54914098
More like the opposite.

>>54916841
Fucking cant wait to jam this dude into my vamps

>>54916726
Dude. I only have one edh deck, sounds like you have the budget

Speaking of Vamps and 1v1
Which of the precons (or just from.the new commanders) would be better to play in 1v1?

>>54917219
Atraxa

>>54917222
Atraxa is 2016, Anon.
Also 4 colors so her manabase is a pain in the ass

>>54917219
As far as Vampires are concerned, Edgar. The value of constantly getting free tokens is pretty high.

>>54917219
Eminence cat without a doubt

>>54917255
Which is the best pre con c17 this year? I don't think it's wizards at least from what I've seen from it, seems weaker than the others (good cards but they don't mesh well together, like they're separate things you can make out thrm)

>>54917254
Atraxa is always relevant, anon

>>54917334
You're right but my wallet doesn't like Atraxa decks

>>54917320
If you mean out of the box, it's Cats or Vampires.

>>54917373
Yeah that's what I meant, are upgrades generally a cheap thing? This is actually going to be my first edh purchase, I usually borrow my friends stuff

>>54917383
Depends on what you upgrade it with.
Manabase is always a pain at first but after the initial $300 you never really have to deal with it again.

>>54917390
Well fetches and shocklands are expensive but right now we have number of cheap 2 color lands that are not terrible(Battle/shadow/filters/temples)

>>54917383
Both will have their pitfalls.
For instance the Cats, as an Equipment focused deck, will probably want cards like the Swords, Batterskull, and Stoneforge Mystic.
Vampires have all sorts of things like Kalitas, Bloodline Keeper, and Bloodghast.

>>54917413
>>54917390
Hmm good thing I have a few dual lands in my storage, upgrades will be slow for me I guess. Just wondering but what edh decks do you have
>>54917424
Ah okay, I guess dragons would need a whole bunch too Yeah? I know the mana base is horrendous from the pre con

>>54917434
Eh I'm no expert deckbuilder but here is my uncle karloff deck.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/uncle-karlov-and-his-pose/

>>54917434
Dragons, as a 5c deck, will chew through any budget just getting the lands. The upside to that though is that lands are always worth buying.

There are plenty of worthwhile dragons that you'd need to buy too, but at least the Khans block ones are still recent enough not to have swelled in price too much.

What happens when I cage a Level up card with mairsil?

>>54917459
Christ I was really tempted for dragons,Yeah that would definitely burn a hole in my wallet. Thanks for the heads up though. Are you getting a pre con yourself? I think vampires are my go to at this rate then
>>54917455
Cool I'll check it out, how long have you worked on it by the way

>>54917488
There was a preorder for all 4 for $99. I went ahead and got that.

>>54917485
Level up cards have one activated ability, and then a static ability that changes their characteristics. Mairsil will get the activated ability, but not the static one. You'll be able to put level counters on him, but they'll be entirely useless.

>>54917488
Well this deck went through several reworks and reiterations as it started as Daxos the returned(2013 precon- thou I bought it last year) ->got changed to obzedat and now settled as karloff thou few staple cards made it into every version of it.

I still have few important cards in "maybeboard" but It is less about the price and more about finding them(as I don't want to order them form some online card store)

>>54917334
Atraxa is for unoriginal faggots. Boring ass vanilla commander.

>>54917524
Who cares if I fucking win tournaments :^)

>>54917528
>EDH tournaments
O now I'm having a laff.

>>54917528
atraxa wishes her horror ass was tier 1

>>54917549
I wish Atraxa's ass would be on my face

>>54917794
Beat me to it

>>54917809
You had like half an hour, man.

>>54917813
I'm in the middle of learning how to make work sketches in solidworks. Shit is not easy.

>loan out my deck
>they get an ez win because I pulled the usual amount of aggro from the table

>>54917874
Maybe you should play less gay shit then.

>>54917909
>winning is gay
You sound like a faggot.

>>54917831
can you sketch aatraxa's ass

>>54918018
>People can't tell tryhard gay shit from regular gay shit at a glance
You are in for a surprise

>>54917909
I aint even mad, they deserved the shit kicking for the way they played.

>>54918025
I wish

>>54918102
>the way they played
How did they play?

>>54918205
They had Atraxa, Botoxa and Latexa

I know the dragon precon will suck but I can't help wanting it.

It just needs a good mana base, right?

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>>54918271
It could use a nice 3 mana dragon.

>>54917794
There's only room for one /edhg/face-sitter and it's not her.

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>>54918271
>>54918285
Maybe even 4.

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>>54918271
You'll also want to switch out like half the dragons, for a cheap nonbasic manabase you've got checks, painlands, fastlands and shocks, also green ramp and shit like Heartless Summoning.

>>54918286
Shut the fuck up, Kesstard

>>54918309
Hello newfriend

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>>54916658
i used to spend lots of money on cards, but now i've actually gone back to that budgety state of mind. i used to have no problem spending like 10 euros on some goofy meme card like No Mercy.

now that i've spent several hundreds of dollars on this stupid ass format in the last year, i've realized that i can easily make do with maybe less than that half of that by using budget options, have the same amount of fun and still win games just fine. it's obviously a little more challenging to build decks but that's what makes it fun.

i actually have more money to spend than ever, it's just more fun for me to find budget options for cards. it feels great to run circles around some dude's 1000 dollar goodstuff deck with a 50 dollar "all the obscure instants" rashmi deck

>>54913707
I can use this card in my bear tribal, right?

>>54918235
Hot

>>54918302
>Pic
>I cast Ramos for 0
>Then I play [5 color dragon] for 5
>Ramos gets 5 counters that I remove directly for 10 Mana
>I vomit my hand on the battlefield

>>54918345
Sounds like you're playing against bad players.

>>54918018
Being a tryhard is gay.

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>>54918286
And her name is Avacyn

>>54918428
Nice slut! Very nice!

>>54918381
not really, unless you consider 99% of the people playing EDH to be bad players, which, admittedly, is probably true. the only thing that really fucks budget players is fast-mana and manabases in general. otherwise, there's nothing a 1500 dollar goodstuff deck can play that a 50 dollar UG deck can't answer.

you'd be surprised how many people run expensive decks without any idea how to evaluate card value or how to pilot their decks in the first place. a lot of time they'll drop something like sheoldred or jace, the mind sculptor and i'll try to convince them why those cards aren't very good despite the price tag, and they'll have none of that.

>>54918438
She is far more pure than whatever harlot you cling to.

>>54918449
Jace is good if you happen to also have all 10 fetchlands and other shuffle effects, but he's admittedly not quite the house he is in Legacy.

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>>54918454
>pure

>>54918482
says it in her name bro

>>54918489
I can go around burning down houses saying I'm teying to perserve nature but that doesn't make me a naturalist.

>>54918496
Well this is the game naming her, which is objective.

>>54918454
She is a fucking slut, anon.

>>54918345
Anon you are my hero.

I also love Supplant Form, it's hilarious saving your Mizzix/Melek with it without even taking it out of the battlefield.

>>54918482
That's just her PMS

>>54918271
you need to put in evolving wilds and terramorphic along with at the very least some pain lands. other than that id definitely put in some shocks if you have the money. there are a few dragons you need to switch out and add a chromatic lantern

>>54918509
I bet your waifu has tentacles you fucking degenerate

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>>54918640
No my waifu has braids and is banned.

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Fuck.

I want to build something but I dont know what.

>tfw

>>54918664
been there anon

>>54918664
Build goblin tribal

>>54918664
>want to build inalla, edgar and mairsil
>no idea what to build first

I guess janky vampire tribal would be the easiest to do first since vampires aren't exactly expensive.

>>54918664
UR(x) tokens polymorph

>>54918662
>banned
I don't see how that is justified.

I need more time. There's not enough hours in the day to play anything.

All my decks are okay, but need some tweaks. And I can't find cuts without playing.

>>54918718
Well then I'm glad you don't have a say in the matter.

>>54918718
People ramp her out turn 2 or something with Bitterblossom.

I don't know.

>>54918271


>>54918626
This

Also Amulet of Vigor, Burgeoning, Cold Steel Heart.

Murmoring Bosk.

>>54918728
You act like the average anon wouldn't be better at managing a banlist than Sheldon.

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Hey edhg, I want to make a Brozilek deck but I don't know where to begin. I have never built a colorless EDH deck before, what kind of stuff am I looking to put into it?

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>>54918664
Based Stangg and his twin

>>54918889
Artifact ramp out the ass and good stuff for your general.

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>>54918889
Lot of artifact ramp. You basically want to vomit your hand onto the board, power out Kozilek, then redraw your entire hand.

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>>54918695
Anyone here use Ib Halfheart? I like his ability as an alternative to typical Krenko shenanigans but is it good enough in EDH?

>>54918922
He's shitty but fun to build around
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-got-99-problems-but-land-aint-1/
No idea why storm cauldron is in the list btw

Which Sorin is the best for Edgar's deck?
And has anyone found any crazy combo for that deck other than the Cloudstone Curio one

>>54918913
>>54918908
Looking around tappedout I came across the below deck, is that basically what I'm looking for? It is within my price range and basically looking like what I want though I would switch out some stuff.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-08-17-eldrazi/

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So last night I got drunk and made a thing.

>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/oonas-drunken-artifact-ramp/

Does anyone have any input? I goldfished a few hands, and seems like I'm going to be hardcasting some serious fatties, but I have no idea what I was thinking without any ways to infinitely deck someone.

Any good MtG reviewers I can listen to on youtube?

>try Tolerian Community guy
>"this beginner deck is bad, because you can't play it on FNM and you need to play on drafts or buy preset boxes"

>>54919042
say what you want about tolarian but his reviews are spot on 99% of the time

>>54919042
Tolarian Community College while actually listening to what he's saying

>>54918999
Lord of Innistrad, obv. As for combos, not really. Vamps aren't as recursion heavy as like zombies.

You could try Blood Clock and Umbilicus.

>>54919042
There is a reason the prof is basically the de facto reviewer anon. His jokes may be bad sometimes but no one else comes close the the detail and quality that goes into his reviews.

>>54916593
And how often do you win anon

>>54919042
I do like listening to the Command Zone. Their actual game videos are bullshit "reality tv" style shit.

>>54919096
they say those games are not scripted but they manage to play every new EDH card every game

>>54919042
There are no good mtg content creators.

I think we're too small to have anything better.

>>54918664
>>54918664
Volrath

>>54919106
I don't know, they seem to miss some most of the time. And coincidences do happen. They probably don't play just one game and actually just do some editing on whichever one they pick from a batch they record.

>>54919158
Volrath is pretty rad and I've been thinking about doing an Old Phyrexian themed deck with him at the helm. A lot of it will probably have to be Black goodstuff and reanimator to fill in the gaps, but I'd probably have a blast with it.

>>54918838
You act like unbanning Braids is a good idea.

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how reliably can slivers handle playing archenemy? and which commander would be best for it?

>>54919232
I don't think it would matter in the long term.

>>54919245
Do you think it would matter in the long term if stax players could start the game by searching their deck for a Smokestack and adding it to their hands?

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>>54919096
>Recommending Jimmy "Damnation is Overrated" Wong and Josh Lee "Goodstuff is the pinnacle of EDH deckbuilding" Kwai

>>54919270
No, not really. That's only going to occur in games where people choose to play that way. If that is occurring, you have bigger issues to deal with.

>>54919270
I can't tell if this a subtle lead-in to the pasta, the same anon who originally posted the pasta, or a new anon making the same argument.

>>54919271
Damnation actually IS overrated though. There are plenty of other good boardwipes, so shelling out for a Damnation isn't really necessary.

>>54919278
>a card is only bad if people choose to play

What an astute fucking discovery you've made, anon. Lay down some more wisdom for those of us still in the darkness.

>>54919241
Overlord is best for all-in slivers and Queen is best for combo/control with a few slivers. Legion and Hivelord are okay but kind of linear.
Generally slivers are pretty good at holding their own once you get enough of them on the board.

>>54919281
Listen el Retardo, do you think Razaketh isn't as banworthy as Braids? Because if you don't, you're fucking shit at reading cards and I expect my $100 promptly, as well as your suicide note you standard babby.

>>54919294
It's only going to be an issue if they manage to turbo it out turn two (which really isn't going to happen in every game) and no one has any responses.

>>54919286
That wasn't his argument anon and there's two board wipes that are better than damnation in non-white.

>>54919286
It's only overrated because of Toxic Deluge. Before that black really didn't have many efficient sweepers. It was mostly mana intensive stuff like Decree of Pain.

>>54919305
>a creature is only a problem if there isn't an immediate answer.

Another fresh pile of knowledge splattered on my face. Please keep going, senpai.

>>54919316
I'm just saying that Damnation is in fact an overrated card. There's nothing wrong with that statement. When Damnation, a black Wrath of God, costs more than twice as much as its white counterpart I think that's going a little far.

>>54919325
I mean, yeah, that's the truth. A problem is only a problem if you let it be a problem.

>>54919176
He's fun. I built mine as a suicide deck with tons of sacrifice and life payment. I win most of my games with 1 or 2 life points left

>>54919336
>there's nothing wrong with that statement

There's plenty wrong with it which is precisely why it's a retarded argument. You're using two different metrics (cost and comparability to other board wipes) with arbtirarily decided value and absolutely no context in which the card is being discussed. If the argument is "Any black deck needs damnation" then OF COURSE it's overrated in that context because not even the dumbest of the dumb think that. It's an empty statement otherwise.

>>54919347
I love games where I win by the skin of my teeth, so I might just go for it. I'm building Inalla currently, so some of my black staples like Demonic Tutor will be there, but I can't imagine there being a lot of overlap. I'll probably start brewing a list anyway. Got a list I can take a look at for non-Phyrexian tech?

>>54919363
Except there are people who seriously just cram Damnation and every other black goodstuff card into every black or Bx deck. It's more common than you think. My LGS has more than one dipshit who shelled out for Damnation before it dropped in price somewhat because they decided they NEEDED it for every deck containing black, including BW decks.

>>54919342
Oni-chan please don't stop. My pussy is becoming retarded from your shaft of intellect.

>>54919363
>If the argument is "Any black deck needs damnation"
Isn't that the argument tho'? I mean, we're on EDH general so if you say "Damnation is overrated" I'll read "Damnation is an overrated card in EDH" which is mostly true because you can make ends meet which cards a lot cheaper.

Now that I think, does Damnation even sees Modern play? It's not Legacy that makes it so expensive because now Deluge seems like a better option. Or is it just on the back of just one print?

>>54919397
The only two cards that would ever fit the bill for "Not being overrated" if we're discussing it in the context of any deck capable of running it should are Cyclonic Rift and Sol Ring. Every deck and every meta is a context with which card discussion is framed (either implicitly or explicitly). This also isn't the argument Jimmy Wong made for why it's overrated.

>>54919388
Maybe they just like playing with the card anon.

>>54919365
My friends all freak out when I pay like 15 life into a mix of Necropotence and Phyrexian Reclamation. I thrive on having a single-digit life total, and sometimes I like to share that thrill by using Soul Conduit. Doesn't hurt that my group is super battlecruiser and is always hesitant to swing unless it's for a huge chunk

Is Greater Good a staple worth picking up? I feel like all my green decks lack good card draw.

>>54919388
To be fair, having Wrath of God and Damnation in the same deck is pretty cool from an aesthetic standpoint.

>>54919471
Lifecrafters Bestiary my dude.

>>54919471
Greater Good is amazing. The instant speed activation really puts it over the top because you can just sac your fatties in response to removal. Plus it's obnoxious in Xenagod.

>>54919424
I never said I agree with Jimmy's argument, just that it is an overrated card in EDH.

>>54919471
Yes. It's one of the best draw spells for a creature based deck.

>>54919551
>it is an overrated card in EDH

Hey so are everything but Sol Ring and Cyclonic Rift. Now that we both get everything that isn't overrated let's go back to discussing the nearly 20k overrated cards to fill out that remaining 97.

>>54919576
Except they aren't. Something being used doesn't make it overrated. It's only overrated when a significant amount of people are calling it a staple or a must-have when really isn't.

>>54919037
Anyone?

I feel like Oona is the wrong choice for a commander. Any alternatives to Winter Orb available?

>>54919625
Switch something for a Staff of Domination since it goes inf with Welder. You wanted to go exile mill or just have something to win after slowing everything with Orb?

I pulled a Verdant Catacomb yesterday when I bought a pack. Since I already have one I was wondering if it's best to trade for a few Kahns Fetchs or for some goofy jank combo stuff.

>>54919708
Probably Khans fetches if you don't have them all.

>>54913744
Of course.
I play pauper too.

>>54919660
Well, there are a few thoughts clunking around the old brainbox:

>I have a shitload of mana rocks, Planeswalker Teferi, Tezz, Voltaic Key, Dramatic Reversal and Paradox engine. Things that slow the table down while my rocks still work at full speed would be to my advantage. As soon as winter orb hits the field, I've basically won.

>I'm never going to have 400 mana to deck a table without forcing some infinite combos, and I mean I have the cards, I was just trying something new. Jin, Arcanis or Memnarch seem like a straight upgrade from Oona for what this deck wants to do with monoblue goodstuff, but I would love to do exile mill.

>I ran a very good dimir mill deck for a while, and my deck already has good graveyard interaction, but it's very under-utilized. I'm not sure whether I should take it all out and just go straight face ramp, or actually put in some things like Traumatize and Fraying Sanity, neither of which synergize with oona other than removing cards.

>>54919037
Are you the same guy that keeps posting "I got blackout drunk and bought X and left a sticky note saying 'GOOD IDEA BRO' "?

>>54919976
Actually yes. I bought a revised bayou, a Phyrexian Obliterator and a metric fuckton of jank in a variety of separate instances. Glad to know people remember the aftermath of my poor decisions.

Are Ultra Pro eclipse sleeves alright?

Should I double-sleeve them?

>>54918938
Because 'fuck lands' type effects are good when you're going to be fucking your own lands anyway. It's like why mld is great with Ib, you sac all your lands and then drop a decree of annihilation. Plus extra land drop means more lands to sac.

>>54920028
I hear good things about them at first but after a while they start to fall apart or something. Most people I know don't pick them up again after the first time.

>>54919607
A significant amount of people aren't calling Damnation that. You're fallaciously trying to related price to demand.

>>54920028
I haven't tried eclipse but you should ALWAYS double-sleeve.

>>54920147
>you should ALWAYS double-sleeve.
Why though?

>>54920028
do they come in packs of 100? I only see them in packs of 40 or 80 which is dumb if you want to play edh

>>54920335
80.

>>54920306
>>54920147
If you have cards above ten dollars in your deck I'd recommend double sleeving. Costs five bucks for a pack of perfect fit dragon shield sideloaders. If it stops someone from damaging your cards its worth it.

Also I like the feel of it.

>>54920491
>Not printing the picture of your cards worth more than 10 and putting them in a sleeve with a basic land
>Not keeping the actual card safe in a binder

>>54920537
>not keeping the actual card safe in its owner's binder and your money safe in your wallet

>>54920600
>Not liking owning cards worth something

>>54920537
I just play with them. If you double sleeve, there's really nothing to worry about.

>>54920632
I play with careful people.

>>54913707
hi, im new to edh, and i was looking at the peer through time and built from scratch deck, are thoes decks any good?

>>54920039
Been thinking of memeing with ramping into Obliterate type stuff, floating mana before blowing everything up and then dropping the Ur-Dragon to rebuild and probably murder everyone before people can recover.

>>54920679
No preconstructed deck is good. Of the two, Built from Scratch is better. Of the two commanders, Teferi, Temporal Archmage has a higher potential.

>>54920306
You should always double-sleeve because it's the best way to protect your cards while playing with them. Single sleeving doesn't protect against dirt coming in and wearing occurring on the top.

>>54920707
i was leaning twoards getting the BfC deck, and i think it has some artifact reanimation shenanigans so are there any reanim targets i could get to upgrade it with?

>>54920754
>>54920754
>>54920754
New thread is up.

So I'm go to my LGS last night, pick up a couple singles, and sit down at a table and start sleeving while waiting for a game to start. This guy I've seen before who seems pretty casual starts asking around for spare BR cards, whatever he can get his hands on, to round out a Rakdos Blood Witch deck he has building. I directed him to the store owner, who gave him a bunch of Amonkhet draft chaff for free so he could play with some basics, and I told him roughly how many lands to put in. We sit down to our first game, I'm playing Karador, and like an idiot I drop a Mindslicer when there's a Waste Not on the field. Of course the Mindslicer dies, allowing the Gisa and Geralf player to get a huge board of enchantments and artifacts with all of the cards and zombies he got from Waste Not. I top-deck Bane of Progress, and then win with combat damage with it and a huge Nighthowler bestow on a flier.
For the next two games, regardless of life totals, what I was playing, what anyone else was playing, or even board-state, new guy swung at me with everything every turn. Even when I was playing draw-go Oloro and countering/removing the more serious threats of the other opponents.
I'm not even mad, I'm just confused by the dogged grudge held because I won with a 25/25 and a 14/14 two games ago with a different deck.

>>54915320
Dr. Cagelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Jank

question, cards that are printed only in commander decks, are they legal in any other format? the new commanders for example

Anyone have any experience with MTGO? How is it?

>>54920832
u mad