Show me all the times Red had the best card in a 5-color cycle.

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>>54906849

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>>54908516
>Young peezy
>Better than Snapcaster, Dark Confidant, Goyf, or even Thalia
It's easily the worst "busted 2-drop". And don't even think about posting Harsh Mentor, that shit sees zero play.

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>>54906849

>>54909694

>a card designers 4 year old scribbled all over their tablet mid design
>and then we printed it like that

I guess you could do an honorary award to Lightning Bolt, since Ancestral Recall is banned in everything.

>>54909891
Can you really call it part of a cycle, then?

>>54910465
Healing Salve, Giant Growth, Dark Ritual, Ancestral Recall and Lightning Bolt is the cycle of 1 for 3.

I guess Dark Ritual is stronger in some scenarios.

>>54910519
I'm going to have to say Dark Ritual is the stronger of the two, since there was a moment where they thought "yeah, we could bring back lightning bolt", but were never crazy enough to try and bring back DR.

>>54910557
that's mostly because in most formats if you bring back dark ritual you have to make every black card thinking about dark ritual
you can never make a black card too strong if dark ritual is in the format
lightning bolt is strong and versatile but clearly not as broken as dark ritual

>>54910596
>lightning bolt is strong and versatile but clearly not as broken as dark ritual

Hence why I think DR is the stronger of the two.

>>54910557
Well, Lightning Bolt has also been relegated into the "too strong to bring back" category now.

They got burnt the last time they reprinted bolt.

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>>54906849

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>>54906849
Debatable, as with most things, but a good argument could be made for Seal of Fire.

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>>54906849
This or Sylvan Messenger. Both see pretty good play in their respective decks.

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>>54906849

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Mega-cycle, still counts.

>>54911527
Is this card as hilarious in multiplayer as I think it is?

>>54911605
Abso-fucking-lutely. It rarely lasts long though.

>>54908516
Why is Eidolon never considered "busted red two drop?"

>>54911706
See below for why:
>>54909535

>all these wtf cards
Stop it or i will build yet another wacky red deck that thrashes anyone in casual but costs the same as a low end legacy deck

>>54911766
http://tappedout.net/mtg-forum/commander/staple-mono-red-edh-card/

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>>54906849

>>54911605
I never really thought about it, but with a big group, there's something satisfying about targeting the player right before you and just dealing him 15 damage before he gets a chance to untap.

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>>54911862
And it is reasons like that, that the cycle of Forces don't usually make it a round to come back to you. Verdant Force is worse if they are running Seedborn Muse and Gaea's Cradle.

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>>54911848
*ahem*

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>>54911848
>>54911935
You were saying?

>>54911957
(checks price of each of the three)
R: ~20 cents
B: ~2.50
W: ~5.00

Yep, the white one is best.

>>54912037
Cost on the secondary market don't necessarily mean it is the best.

>>54912037
>>54911935
This kills someone if you have tainted remedy out right?

Probably why it's worth more, that kind of hilarious combo potential and the ability to gain 40 life means I'd put it in any EDH deck that could fit one

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Also pic related.

>>54912117
If I gain 3 life this turn...
And then the opponent play this
...
Will I loose the life I just gain plus 3?

>>54912156
You'll first gain 3, then lose 6 for a total of -3 life.

>>54912037
Where I'm looking, Blue is the best.

>>54912037
The black also just got a reprint last year (and has like 5 other printings), whereas the white one was last printed in 10th and only has the two printings.

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>>54912222
Nope.

>>54912253
The white one is part a of a number of simple two card combos that will kill someone in a single turn.

>>54912472
lynx is far stronger

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>>54906849

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>>54913265

>>54913265
>better than Yosei who nearly gives you an extra turn

>>54912493
oo that's hot bait

>>54909854
wonder was arguably better

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This one is pretty straightforward as most of the other ones are real bad, I guess polluter is probably a distant second.

>>54910519
What would a modern version of that cycle look like?

>>54912092
Yeah, those two makes it read "Target player loses life equal to his life total." Unless something like Erebos is on the board (might be wrong about Erebos, unsure about that kind of thing.)

>>54913461
>distant second
I would argue that polluter is better, and definitely not distant if it is second. most goblin decks don't need or want the incinerator, while the polluter could just end games for a slower archetype that could use the cycling guy anyway.

>>54913296
>>54913265

Kokusho is the correct answer here. Ryusei is fun, but Kokusho wins games.

>>54913461
>>54913634
Don't forget that Polluter has the added bonus of Unholy Grotto for repeated burning with its card advantage.

>>54913691
hell, yosei should be in the running too. he and keiga saw plenty of action back in kamigawa. Jugan is the undisputed loser of the cycle though, so there's that.

>>54913498
W Gain 5 Life
U Scry 5
B mill 5
R create a 5/5 artifact creature until end of turn
G Shuffle 5 cards from grave to library

>>54906849
No Mention of Hour of Devastation yet?

>>54913746
>Jugan
Being one of the only monogreen flying creatures is a point in its favor though.

>>54913265
Wrong, Keiga the tide Star is far and away the best.

>>54913822
the only point, and a 5/5 flyer still isn't worth the triple G, 6CMC most of the time.

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>>54913799
It's neck and neck, honestly.

>>54913634
>>54913697
what decks play polluter? it's sometimes an alternate wincon but incinerator is a staple in legacy goblins

>>54914042
this card is a pain in the dick

>>54914130
Polluter is a staple in zombie tribal Commander decks.

>>54906849
>Colourless card
>Win condition of a green deck
C U C K E D

>>54914298
>EDH
>Legacy

Do you see the difference here?

>>54914311
>what decks play polluter?

This was the question asked. Not "What Legacy decks play Polluter?" Had that been the question asked, EDH wouldn't have even come into it.

A quick search does show that some Legacy zombie decks do indeed run Polluter.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/best-zombie-deck/

Haste creatures are great, win games out of nowhere.
Reckless One
Magnivore
Volcanic Dragon from the Mirage cycle
Rorix Bladewing is the only one in his cycle of pit fighter legends to see any tournament play
Goblin Warchief is best Warchief because it grants Haste.

Rakavolver is the best Volver, although that's not saying much since it's still outclassed by Lightning Angel

Magus of the Moon is by far the best of all 3 cycles of Magus. Magus of the Disk is distant second since you can put Darksteel Plate on it and blow up the world over and over.

If Red-Centered gold cards count, Numot the devastator is best of the Planar chaos dragons (assuming you're not playing commander, in which case Vorosh is probably better, but we're going by 60-card for everything in this post)
Jund Charm beats the other Alara Charms too

Barbarian Ring beats the other Odyssey lands, Cephalid Coliseum is worthless outside Dredge decks and is clear card disadvantage, in any normal deck you'd consider Barbarian Ring most useful.

Flame Javelin is best in its cycle

>>54914346
>Cephalid Coliseum is worthless outside Dredge decks
Clearly this nigger does not play EDH where Notion Thief and Consecrated Sphinx make the card hilarious.

All of the Alara Heralds are terrible, but Dragon's Herald is the only one likely to win you the game since Hellkite Overlord isn't terrible and at least has Haste. If Hellkite Overlord counts as the "Red" one of its cycle, it counts as best for its cycle too.

Red seems to be best if the cycle in general is kinda bad, the red one is at least usable while the others are all either overcosted or useless.

>>54914346
Magus of the tabernacle is way scarier than moon against most decks.

>>54914374
>Clearly this nigger does not play EDH where Notion Thief and Consecrated Sphinx make the card hilarious.

And that's one of the reasons I love EDH. Cards that wouldn't or haven't seen play in other formats often can have a home in EDH.

>>54914374
I mentioned in the post earlier when talking about Numot the Devastator, no I don't play Commander/EDH/whatever. Everything in my post is for 60 card decks.
60 card casual is better than commander

>>54914417
Oh, it is not. Tabernacle only fucks you if you play with creatures (that's most decks in general but creatureless stuff is out there, many combo decks and some burn decks come to mind)

Magus of the Moon pretty much shuts down anyone with a wallet.

>>54909811
oh fucking shut up already, so you hate the design, they tried a new thing fitting to a theme and wasn't popular, whopdie fucking doo

>>54914485
hi maro

Skirk Fire Marshall.
God, Onslaught Block was so much fun.

>>54910629
>They got burnt the last time they reprinted bolt.
Topkek

Also surprised no one said Purphoros

>>54914654
Thassa is better

>>54914654
>Pruphoros
Oh shit, I cast Firecat Blitz for the win, yes Purphoros is the best God. Period.

>>54914695
>>54914654
Purph > the rest, as a commander
Erebos > the rest, in the 99 of commander decks
Thassa > the rest, in 60 card formats

>>54910629
What was so bad about reprinting bolt?

>>54909694
I always forget how bad these look. So glad I stopped playing when they announced this dumb kangz shit

>>54913461
So good in EDH. Good times

>>54915064
The problem is that in any format where Bolt is legal, it completely warps the format around itself. Does a creature with CMC 3 or more have 3 or less toughness and not create immediate value? Then it is worthless.

Its ability to hit players also gives it even more punch than removal, even removal as good as Tragic Slip or Fatal Push. Its an incredibly powerful and disruptive card, and I really don't think we're going to see it in another Standard legal set any time soon.

>>54915323
Bolt doesn't break EDH or Vintage

>>54915385

It's already legal in EDH and Vintage, so there's no reason to reprint it.

>>54915433
You said it warps any format it's legal in around itself. How does Bolt warp EDH or Vintage around itself?

>>54915465

I'm not him. You guys were talking about why reprinting bolt would be bad. Obviously the answer is going to be regarding Standard, because whether it's reprinted or not has no affect on EDH or Vintage. You seemed confused so I tried to clear it up. Sorry.

>>54915536
I wasn't discussing anything with him. Just pointing out that the claim he made about Bolt "warping" every format is bullshit.

>>54915614

Well, sorry to interrupt your non-discussion, man.

>>54915614
The context was standard reprinting. Calm down faggot.

>>54915661
Maybe you shouldn't spout bullshit and instead think about what you're typing before you hit submit

>>54915768
Wasn't even me. You're the only one in the thread who doesn't understand context. Again, calm down faggot.

>>54915791
The context has nothing to do with it. It's clear as day what he (you) meant and it was complete bullshit

>>54915385
OK, so not every format. EDH is a singleton format with oversize decks so its not a reliable element of a deck, and Vintage the power level is high enough (looking at FoW) for it not to be as opressive. Happy?

>>54911605
The quote on the card is from the dude who can create permanent token copies of creatures.

One of these beauties in EDH is hilarious. Two is hysterical.

>>54914485
t.Maro

>>54914006
Meh I like him, but I play casual so there's that too.

>>54915768
Oh, come off it. EDH and Vintage are fundamentally different formats than any other, and reprints don't matter there because they already have nearly every card in their card pool. EDH has double the regular amount of life, so Bolt isn't as strong. Vintage is Two-Turn-Combos: The Format. Bolt does nothing there because burn is pointless at that level of combo potential.

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Hard mode: best card in a 15-card cycle

>>54914485
they do a shitty gimmick like that every single set though

it's not like the alternate card design wasn't even done before, see Future Shift

>>54918986
Thassa was the best in Standard. Keranos is the best in eternal formats. Your pic related never saw play. Try again.

>>54914428
I used to think this before I played commander. Donny worth you'll evolve too

>>54919640
Purphoros is amazing in EDH

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Nobody's posted it yet?

>>54919940
>edh
Anything works in EDH, that's the point of EDH.

>>54919940
Isn't keranos better?

>>54914346
>Rorix Bladewing is the only one in his cycle of pit fighter legends to see any tournament play
I thought silvos was in standard a bit

>>54920503
I feel like bontu is the better card, she just doesn't have any deck to go into, but maybe that's just my judging them for limited.

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>>54920633
Bontu is the hardest of them all to turn on, and for what? 3 mana for 4 power? I'm not a fan of 4/6 when indestructible is on the card.

I think if anything is in contention, it's Rhonas. Easy to turn on, 3 mana, 5 power hits face hard, and deathtouch widdles the board even if your opponent is running 0/7 walls for some reason. Also comes tacked with a pretty reasonable combat trick if you have mana lying around.

>>54920633
Bontu is fucking shit m8. Haz and Rhonas are easily the best of the cycle.

>>54915188
The main problem with it from a design point of view is the aspect ratio. Everything but the mana cost and picture appears stretch on the x axis. It looks really fat and gross.

>>54920543
Keranos doesn't let you easily kill all your opponents at once with some token production shenanigans

>>54913414
>not Brawn

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>>54906849
Shitty cycle but still

>>54920503


see >>54920736

The fact that only like 4 legit examples came up is very telling of WotC's agenda

>>54922107
Another one with Haste. I'm starting to see a pattern here. If the cycle's a bunch of shitty creatures the red hasty one is the only playable one.

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>>54922107


bring lammasus back

>>54918986
Yeah, Purph is the only God card worth cubing with.

>>54923863
What are you on about?

>>54919640

that strange Norin flicker deck uses purphuros

>>54909854
honestly the best art ever. I love angry looking skeletons

>>54933573
>angry looking magmababbies

>>54933633
b e s t

>>54915188
This

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>>54920503
Red is a powerhouse in this block

>>54936909
It hurts my soul that not only is this rare, it's actually powerful in the current standard.

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>>54936950
He might look weak, but a hasty 4/4 that removes a blocker from combat is very powerful in limited. His rarity is accurate.

>>54937257
Oops, wasn't meant to post that pic along with that post. Still, Magus of the Moon is clearly the best of the Magus cycle.