the great debate

>>54905555
What's there to debate if both are boneable and waifuable? Falls-from-Grace is classier; that's about it.

You can do both, the Planes does not have legally enforced monogamy.

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>>54905555
Dat Tail gets my vote;

>>54905555
Annah is the tomboy. It would be easy to sex her for a normal guy, but not for a virgin neckbeard from /tg/. So no pussy here.

Fall-from-Grace is the intellectual type and is able to talk with you about your autistic interests and metaphysics. She is also a succubus, so she will notice your love even if you are to shy to speak up. So she could be the better choice for anon. Unfortunately she lives a chaste life, so no pussy here either.

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>>54905810

You have forgotten your PLACE, HALF-man. Humility is in order.

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>>54905842

>>54905886

Shut up, you got killed by my mortality.

>>54905555
Are those demons?
Then none, I want to live.

>>54905913

Annah is a tiefling, so only about one-eighth demon, at most.

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>>54905555
the lesser debate

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>>54905555
>When there are two other reformed Succubi in D&D canon, one that is married to a fucking Archon or Celestial
>When there's a fucking ritual to let people REMOVE ALIGNMENT SUBTYPES WILLINGLY
>Bitch runs a fucking information store, just like her fucking Mother who is in in important fucking questline in Dungeon Magazine
>has not discovered this

Fall-from-grace you stupid fukin native-american name stealing bitch you so stupid goddanm.

>Fall-from-Grace
>Busty, beautiful, extremely intelligent and wise
>Completely Chaste, won't even give you a tug

What's the point?

>>54905939
Tieflings actually are quarter and under. If a mortal has a child with a half-demon, the child ends up as a tiefling, at least in the case of Faerun.

>>54905810
>>54905886

Unless they changed it, you actually can't have both. If you pursue both romances, and try to reason with the transcendent one, you can get to a conversation node where he asks you which one you love; if you say both, the game punishes you, whereas picking either one rewards you.

>>54906031
>>When there's a fucking ritual to let people REMOVE ALIGNMENT SUBTYPES WILLINGLY
A whatnow? In AD&D?

>>54905948
yum yum

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>>54905842
almost got me thinking that one is by slugbox

turns out this one is

>>54905555
It's hard to decide to be honest. Grace would definitely keep you in a chastity cage and tease the shit out of you. Annah would be a lot more physical and definitely into pegging. Would probably come down to who has cuter feet desu.

Is Fall-from-Grace celibate, or chaste?

>>54906031
>Fall-from-grace you stupid fukin native-american name stealing bitch
Oh shut the fuck up, Native Americans are not the only people in the world to do descriptive names like that.

>>54905555
Fall-from-Grace is intelligent, kind, beautiful, and well mannered. She's a perfect waifu but also celibate and it's implied that she'd probably accidentally eat your soul if you somehow convinced her to break her celibacy. She'd be a great friend (and you can bet she'd be an awesome GM or player), but not very good for non-platonic relationship.
Annah is abrasive and antisocial, but actually not a bad person once she warms up to someone. Probably not into long-term relationships as it takes a lot of effort for her to let somebody get close enough to her for her to but that kind of trust in them.

Obviously the optimum solution is to marry Gracy and have a emotionally an intellectually stimulating non-sexul relationship with her, and fuck Annah on the side.
Although failing that, winning Annah's trust and helping her deal with her emotional baggage, causing her to fall in love with you and having a healthy relationship with loads of mindblowing sex is also acceptable.

>>54906216
>Obviously the optimum solution is to marry Gracy and have a emotionally an intellectually stimulating non-sexul relationship with her, and fuck Annah on the side.
the truth has been spoken

Wouldn't it be kind of mean to start a relationship with either of them, since you're actively looking for a way to fucking kill yourself?

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>>54905555
Tail > Wings

>>54906098
Planescape is 2e. Also, the subtype and type systems are evident even in 2e, but it was often detailed when it mattered, namely in flavour text or for certain types of spells.

If you run check alignment spells on her, she'll ping Chaos, Evil, and her actual alignment accordingly because of what she is.

Infact, it's a rarity upon rarity that his is what she is, because alignment subtype has a big affect on behaviour.

Also, I recalled the other succubi off the CE alignment, it was Wee Jas's Emissary who does planar stuff for her clergy.

>>54906342
Thanks for confirming there is no ritual in AD&D 2E to remove a succubus's aligment subtype.

>>54906031
>When there's a fucking ritual to let people REMOVE ALIGNMENT SUBTYPES WILLINGLY

Pretty sure alignment subtypes only became a thing in 3rd Edition D&D, after Planescape was made and released (which was during AD&D 2e's heyday).

>>54906204
Japan, for example.

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best mate choice

>>54906410
That's not Dak'kon.
And that's DEFINITELY not Morte.

>>54906405
Ainu don't count, they used temporary names to ward off curses and bad spirits.

>>54906405
>>54906031

It's a Puritan thing. Those motherfuckers were, similarly, seriously into abjuring the temptations of the flesh. And they gave their kids names that could be phrases from the bible, or entire passages. "Fall from grace" is a biblical term.

>>54906436
Fall-From-Grace could be argued as a temporary name, meant to single her current place in life. It's definitely not the name she was spawned with.

>>54906430
Dak'kon a cute, but can only do missionary for the purpose of procreation.
Mort gonna try and bite my dick off when I stick it in his mouth just to get him to shut up.

Nordom understands, nordom understands he doesn't understand. Nordom is love. Nordom is life.

>>54906436
No, I mean Japan itself. "Sakura", for example, means "cherry blossom" in Japanese.
"Hikaru" means "light". And these aren't archaic Japanese words, either - "sakura" is still the common word for cherry blossoms. And so on. All Japanese names are common Japanese words, it's just due to convention that we don't translate them.

>>54906493
Oh, that's what you meant by mate. I thought you meant mate as is "Best bro".

>>54906520
And 'John' means latrine in English, so what.

>>54906520
>"Sakura", for example, means "cherry blossom" in Japanese. "Hikaru" means "light".

Well, that goes for pretty much any existing human culture, if you trace back the etymology. "Alexander" from "Alexandros" from "alexein" and "ander" for Defender of Man/the People, etc. etc.
(Sincere apologies to any Greek scholars)

>>54906468
I love me some Puritan phrase names! Using it for my current Paladin/Fighter: "Though-Fear-Lock-Thy-Joints-Fight-The-Impure-And-Die-Well" or Ferdie to her friends

>>54906522
Oh. Yeah. I meant I want to fuck the cube.

The other two are probably good friend choices though.

>>54906543
John has come into the meaning of latrine long after it was used as a proper name.

It's actual etymology gomes from the Hebrew יונתן (Ye-ho-na-than), which would mean "God has given".

>>54906480
Not really, that's her name as confirmed in the adventure where you meet her mother for a meeting to do with freeing Demogorgon's Old Consort all the way from 1e in 3.5

>>54906543
No, John was later attributed to latrines. Sakura is and has always been cherry blossom.
John means "God has been kind"

>>54906543
That's a) colloquial and b) a more recent meaning. The name John actually comes from Hebrew Yochanan, meaning "YAHWEH is gracious", by way of Greek an then Latin.

The point is that Western European naming conventions are a bit strange compared to the rest of the world, because the greater portion of our names come from other languages. John is a good example; my own name, Christopher, ultimately comes from Greek and means "bearer/carrier of Christ", St. Christopher being a guy who carried Christ over a river. However that specific origin has been forgotten; the name now basically has no meaning to an average person, or it's chosen in reference to the saints or family members or whatever. We've forgotten that our names have meaning in and of themselves.

However in most of the world, names come from the language themselves. 99% of Japanese names come from Japanese itself, and few of the words that make up those names have fallen out of common use. So, for example, when a Japanese parent names their daughter "Sakura", they are actively choosing to name her after the cherry blossom tree. There's not a dichotomy the way there is in Western European languages.

>>54906638
So you're actually a Christ-gopher?

The only great debate here worth taking is the debate of how best to get them into a triangle.

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>>54906823
Make them take up accounting.

>>54905555
Annah because she's a massive slut

>>54908039

L I E S

>>54906085

That's some bullshit.

>>54909551
I take it you mean 'bullshit that the developers did that' rather than 'you are bullshitting'. If the former, yes it is, and the internet polyamoury defense force would be all over that shit these days, if the latter, go fellate a cactus

>>54908039
If I remember correctly, Annah had never even kissed anyone until the nameless one.

Fall was a succubus. It is significantly more likely she was a huge slut at one point in her life.

>>54905555
Is there a larger version of that Fall From Grace pic? Been looking for pictures of reasonably modestly dressed succubi for ages now.

>>54905842
>>54905904
>>54906153
>>54906307
That's not how tails fucking work.

>>54905555
Left could be markedly more efficient in form choice, as could right. The shape is simply inefficient.

>>54911366

Its a demonic tail, not a mammalian or reptilian one so it ok.

>>54906520
Every culture does this, though, it's not some special snowflake japanese thing. 90% of english surnames are professions, as well as some first names. Not to mention naming girls after flowers, etc.

>>54906031
>you stupid fukin native-american name stealing bitch
A lot of Sensates pick descriptive names like that when they join up, though. There's a skull on the one necromancer guy's shelf that was named Calm-before-the-storm or something silly like that.

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>>54911283
>Is there a larger version of that Fall From Grace pic? Been looking for pictures of reasonably modestly dressed succubi for ages now.
I can't find the full version of that one, even though I've seen it before. I'll post some other ones, though.

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>>54911917
This artist took a little liberty with the design, but it turned out well.

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>>54911962
Old concept art

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>>54911998
And a bit more searching reveals...

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>>54912026

>>54905555
Fall-From-Grace has class, Annah is a boorish thug and if Annah was a man and you didn't want to fuck her you'd want to murder her like Ignus or Lawful Stupid knight ghost wossname

>>54906342
It's more than just that, as a demon she's not just got a CE subtype, she is CE, made out of it, that's why in practical terms, non-CE demons are so rare as to be fantastically impossible to find and even then probably killed by their peers, like say a two headed human.
The only other time I remember Planescape having a "redeemed" demon was when it accidentally absorbed the essence of a deva and even then it only halfway hijacked the bebilith. That's how goddamn rare a "redeemed demon" would be.

Grace gives the game away with the name of her library or bookstore or whatever it was. She is obviously obsessed with sex and being succubus, and her chastity and trying to be a good person is just her working through her mommy issues rather than sincere desire to be good. As a tanari, she is wholly incapable of comprehending good except as a distant abstract concept. She only seems as decent as she does because, as a succubus, she is naturally good at imitating mortals and their many behaviors and beliefs. So when she choosing to act like her idea of a morally upright human, she naturally does a good job and probably even has herself convinced by the time the player meets her in the game.

>>54912175
If it's all a fraud then how come she has Priest levels and can channel positive energy to cast healing spells? There's no way to mimic that stuff.

>>54912218
Sleight of Hand, False Life and prestidigitation, she's actually a sorcerer

>>54912218
> he thinks priest spells mean things in d&d.

Lawful Evil could do heals, for sure.

>>54912226
>Sleight of Hand, False Life and Prestidigitation
>replicating the effects of Heal and Raise Dead
Seems unlikely

>>54912240
Her character sheet says LN, and that has to be the correct alignment because that's what the game uses to determine alignment based effects used on her.

>>54912281
>Seems unlikely
Also some very advanced illusions. She has the Charisma to pull it off.

>>54912175

If you want evil Grace go read the novel.

>>54912152
Yeah I knew that, the subtype is that fact in functionality in effect.

>no choice to stay with ravel for the rest of your days.
poor form

>>54912294
MAXIMUM OVER LEWD

>>54906520
Joy, Mercy, Daisy, Lily.

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>>54911440
No, it's not. Tails are continuations of the spine, not additional limbs. Those images have the tail sprouting far too far up her back.

>>54905555

>She is LITERALLY a 'Hood Rat, anon

But the succubus is serious about that promise ring. Only answer really then is "one to have, one to hold".

>>54912311
Really? Was she? I heard the novel was garbage, but I am curious.

>>54913467
I never read the novel, but if you google some of the details, its like the tard authors never played the fucking game.

>>54913493
Well, there's two novelizations. A fan made one that is just text from the game formatted into a cohesive story, and then an "official" one that was made by WotC around the same time of the game, but is only loosely connected.

>>54912789
I'm sorry anon, I didn't know I was talking to a fictional demon specialist.

>>54912789
Very well reasoned out, and correct for real world analogs.
Except Demon are half Souls and half Bad Dreams and half Sin. The only reason they have a tails is not through evolution or crafted biology, but because people believe it's scary! (Yes that's the canon reason, read Planescape's belief section) And if they believe it's more scary to be out of proportion? or in the wrong place? Guess how the tail ends up?

So (demon-) tieflings are quite literally are half mortal half nonsense. You concerns about proper anatomy are thrown out the window sir, and that really is end of discussion.

...Sorry?

>>54912281
>Her character sheet says LN,
Hot damn so it does.
>>54912218
>channel positive energy to cast healing spells?
I think you are thinking too 3.X, 2e ad evil priests were able to cast healing spells, but more to the point Lawful priests, were definitely able to cast them.

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>>54913829
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>>54906410
You are talking about the gear spirits of course.

>>54913852
Those aren't the same symbol, they just look similar. The ones on the right are the symbols for the planes (the one in question being Acheron, which Grace doesn't really have much connection to) while the symbol on her sheet is the symbol all the LN characters in the game have. If you want to be particular, Dak'kon is "straight" LN, Grace leans Good, and Vhailor leans Evil.

>>54913939
Have a list of the proper symbols? (From the right time periods. I know 5e updated them some.)

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>>54913974
The alignment symbols in the game aren't from any official material, they're just made up. Also, the symbol has two parts. The blue icon is for the Good/Neutral/Evil axis, and the metallic background is Law/Neutral/Chaos. For example, this is how Morte's looks, and he's Chaotic Good.

>>54905625
>FFG
>boneable

this kills the husbando

>>54914640

Good thing I'm immortal.

>>54915977
you can still die. You just get resurrected.

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>>54912026
>>54911917
>>54911283
Here you go.

>>54916058

Pretty sure scubbus poosy is worth a ress once in a while

>>54911466
I'm not saying it's some special snowflake Japanese thing, dingus, if you'd care to follow the reply chain back up its ladder.

I'm pointing out that Falls From Grace isn't ripping off Native American naming conventions because just using actual words for names, rather than "names" as some special subclass of words that exist solely for names, is NORMAL for most languages. It's really only in Europe, and particularly Western Europe, that you see words that exist exclusively to be names ("Christopher", "Michael", "Stephen", "Franklin", etc.), and even then you get holdovers like what >>54912709 posted (who also, I suspect, did not bother to follow the reply chain up to see what the fuck was actually being talked about)

We tend to translate Native American names simply due to some weird translation conventions, probably because we think it makes them sound more "primitive", but really there's no particular reason why in English we refer to Sitting Bull as Sitting Bull and not Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotake (or maybe something easier to spell, like Tatanka Iyotake); and likewise there's no particular reason why we call the current Prime Minister of Japan Shinzō Abe instead of "Heart Peace" (or something similar, translating Japanese names can be hard due to the stupid way they write).

>>54912175
>As a tanari, she is wholly incapable of comprehending good except as a distant abstract concept.

So she votes in US elections?

>>54916520
Get out.

>>54908039
DELET THIS REEEE
ANNAH IS SHY AND PURE UNDER HER TOMBOYISH FACADE!

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>>54905555
Only one true answer

>>54917137
What compelled you to post this in /tg/? Your opinion is not universal.

>>54917143
>"BEGONE, THOT"

>>54916520
>>54917137
Go back to >>>/pol/

>>54917086
Tomboys and "pure succubus" are shit

>>54917143
Truly the wisdom this thread needs.

>>54906436
Almost every old norse name is descriptive like that, which in turn influenced the naming practices of a large chunk of Europe.

>>54905843
>Unfortunately she lives a chaste life, so no pussy here either.

>you will never travel the planes with fall from grace to find a magical item so you can kiss her
>you will never feel the lips of your lover for the first time without dying after decades of travel

>>54906258
you just try to become mortal, so you could keep the relationship going till you die. Too bad you end up dying instantly in the fortress

>>54906410
Modrons are so cool characters. I know they are just made because you can put them in a dungeon using your dice as replacements, but there is something funny about half retarded polygons that follow orders.

until your party meets them in a campaign and you end up spending an entire session talking to the right tier and manage to get through their skull shit isnt completely lawful and you want to get shit done.

>>54917693
>Too bad you end up dying instantly in the fortress
That's because as soon as you're no longer immortal, all the years catch up to you and you die.

However, if you got all the first incarnation's memories form the bronze sphere and merged with TTO you should basically be a demigod, so it wouldn't be too hard to fight your way out of Baator and rejoin your waifu of choice.

>>54915977
>>54916058
she wont let you fuck her because she knows you draw another soul to maintain your immortality and doesnt want anyone to die just so you can get some puss

>enjoy arcanum and baldur's gate and all those sorts of games
>get planescape because I hear it's the best game ever and all that
>no option to play as a girl

>>54918043
You're not one of those blokes who has some weird need to always be a girl pc?

>>54918043
Also fuck all those other games. Torment only gets to stand up because of it`s amazing story. It`s game play and controls are fucking garbage.

>>54906589
>Well, that goes for pretty much any existing human culture, if you trace back the etymology. "Alexander" from "Alexandros" from "alexein" and "ander" for Defender of Man/the People, etc. etc.

>if you trace back the etymology

You should hang yourself, and then your returning vengeful ghost should re-read that post.

A jap can say "I love sakura trees" and be understood by the other japs because sakura is the modern jap word for cherry.

A brit can NOT say "I need an Alexander" and be understood to need a defender because Alexander is not the modern brit word for defender.

>>54906051
1/2 gets you Half-Fiend template, 1/4 gets you Demi-fiend or something, forget what its called.
1/8th and lower gets you Tiefling until at some point it doesn't and becomes Fiendish Heritage.

>>54912152
>she's not just got a CE subtype, she is CE
That is what being CE subtype means. There's no "just" to it. It's already the extra step up from just being of an alignment. Your subtype is what you're made of.

>>54905948
Cestree every time.

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>>54905555
>Tomboy
>Redhead
>Green eyes
>Irish accent
>Tail
There's nothing to debate

>>54918470

Girls get named after flowers all the time... In like every culture I am aware of.

... So like 3 and a half.

>>54921911
>raging tsundere

>>54922319
Nobody's perfect

>>54918340
Torment yes, but I had tons of fun playing though BGII multiple times.

>>54921911
Is that character supposed to be appealing? The quote is really unattractive.

>>54922398
To paraphrase the old saying - one man's trash, other man's waifu.

>>54916214
Except all those European names have meanings too because they're cribbed from other languages. Especially Christian names; many are Hebrew in origin, and are actual words, or variants thereof.

>>54925612
>The quote is really unattractive.
That's why it's so cute when she starts blushing and acting flustered because you've figured out she's into you.

>>54922319
>kissless virgin who cannot wear a lot of clothing becasue of her hot blood has to deal with people that try to fuck her constantly

>>54916214
This whole thing you wrote really makes no sense.

>just using actual words for names
There is no just, and they are not "actual words", they are name words. You can translate them, just as people have translated Western names to you, but they are not selected for their meaning, they are selected because they are names. I live in Scandinavia, and we have names that are of Christian origin and names that have the same literal spelling as words in common use, e.g. you can be named Bear Smith. And nobody chose to name their kid Bear because of anything to do with bears. They did it because some tennis or soccer player or their great aunts first cousin, or whatever, had that same name. Exactly like Japanese people.

Conversely, Christians used to be anal about exactly the meaning of those names you don't think mean anything, because they did to them - just as someone who wasn't raised on memorizing the Bible would recognize the meaning of say Judas or Thomas.

We refer to Sitting Bull as such because when you are eradicating a culture it's not really in your best interest to use their language in your newspapers.

Meanwhile we refer to Shinzō Abe as such because it is his name. And contrary to what you think, the "stupid way they write" is the primary reason you think the name word is connected to a common use word, because the signs used to write names are represent those words rather than just sounds.

Falls from grace is clearly ripping off Native American naming conventions, because it is written in English, while retaining an actual meaning, that is representative of that persons spiritual state. Which you do not find with any other language.

>>54927676

The names that Popes take.

Puritan Names, like Charity.

>>54927676
It's "Fall-from-Grace" not "Falls from", and is a fairly clear parody of Puritan naming conventions, which includes names like "From-above", "Sorry-for-sin", and the famous economist "Nicholas If-Christ-had-not-died-for-thee-thou-hadst-been-damned Barebone". There's also a double meaning in that it's both relevant to her demonic heritage and a summary of her current state.

Also, how are there 100+ posts without mentioning that it's explicitly a fantasy version of Betty and Veronica.

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>>54914640
So you get Death Ward cast on you (or cast it yourself) and wear a ring of Negative Energy Resistance.

This is "how to fuck a succubus and survive" not rocket science.

>>54928005
I know we're all about breaking shit, but breaking shit like this just goes against the spirit of things being things.

Just like your picture. Sure, there's something in the rules that would get her into that church, but the reason that picture exists is because we didn't fuck around with the rules to make it possible.

Do you see the irony of your post compared to the picture?

>>54927865
>Also, how are there 100+ posts without mentioning that it's explicitly a fantasy version of Betty and Veronica.
Annah and Fall-from-grace are interesting enough characters that they manage to transcend what inspired them.

>>54928005
It's not a question of whether or not you could survive it, it's a question of why you would want to sully a perfect celibate waifu like Fall-from-grace with your lust.

>>54931964
>not wanting to slowly corrupt fall from grace with your lustful advances until she starts longing for more and more sex to fullfill her demonic needs, while trying to justify her lusty self by claiming she just wants to experience everything

>>54905555
Deionarra desu

>>54927865
>Nicholas If-Christ-had-not-died-for-thee-thou-hadst-been-damned Barebone

Well, I'll be Frank Damned-You-Learn-Something-New-Every-Day Smith.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Barbon

>>54937226
man when you touch her sensestone it was really sad.

>>54940611
>man when you touch her sensestone it was really sad
It's one of the most emotional moments in the game, for sure
>No matter what alignment you are, it brings you to tears
>If Grace is in the party she rushes over and tries to ease your pain by taking it onto herself with the Sensory Touch

The idea of experiencing a memory from the stone and one from your past simultaneously was pretty cool, though.

>>54943323
>deionarra feeling love overflowing as she is talking with TNO
>deioranna was so happy she dedicated a sensestone to her strong feelings of love
>TNO screaming at deionarra that the practical incarnation is just fucking her because of her talent and she shouldnt stay with him
>TNO shed blood tears as love and despair collapsed on him
>wakes up to Fall from grace wiping his tears away and taking his pain
That really updated my journal.

I liked how one of the past incarnations bit the bullet by fucking a succubus so everyone else could experience it without dying.

>>54944540
>>deionarra feeling love overflowing as she is talking with TNO
>>deioranna was so happy she dedicated a sensestone to her strong feelings of love
The stone was titled "Longing"

What Deionarra was remembering was her feelings of longing as Practical Incarnation kept leaving/threatening to leave her to go on his adventures. What he was really doing, though, was just manipulating her to get her to the point where she would come with him to the Fortress of Regrets.

>>54944540
>Spoiler

Wait what really? I don't recall that, where do you find that memory?

>>54944763
One of the sensory stones in the free section is the memory of a guy who died having sex with a succubus. There's no indication if it's TNO or not. I don't think it is, personally.

>>54927676
>Falls from grace is clearly ripping off Native American naming conventions, because it is written in English, while retaining an actual meaning, that is representative of that persons spiritual state. Which you do not find with any other language.

More that Infernal doesn't translate properly into common, and also that Baatezu have a thing about "earned" names, and Sensates often take on weird descriptive names for whatever they're most focused on.

>>54911773

Also Merriman, Jumble-Murdersense, Three-Planes-Aligned, Unfulfilled-Desire and Death's Advocate.

>>54944682
>fortress of regrets

Actually, she only got as far as Avernus.

>>54945048
No, she made it to the Fortress and got killed alongside the blind archer and Practical himself, while Morte and Dak'kon escaped. That's why her spirit is there. Her love for TNO was so strong it bound her to the location, forever doomed to serve as a guide and spy. That's also why she's able to appear to you in the Mortuary: the entrance to the Fortress is right by where you woke up.

Something I never understood, if you wanted to die, why not just ask the skull collector wizard for it? (Or provoke him).

Also, why want to "die"? In the end you are just in another plane, worse than the one you were before.

>>54945518
>Something I never understood, if you wanted to die, why not just ask the skull collector wizard for it? (Or provoke him).
There's no guarantee he can give you a permanent death. And if you let him kill you, you'll never know the truth about your past.

>Also, why want to "die"
Your immortality is a blight upon the multiverse, and cannot be allowed to continue. Also, eventually you will be killed by something else, lose your memories again, and each time it will become harder and harder to regain them, until you basically go insane. Solving the puzzle of your immortality is the only way to go out with dignity.

>>54945588
I understand why a lawful good character would be much worried about the way his immortality affects the multiverse, but I can't see why this would bother a chaotic evil one.

Also, I think that wanting to die is different, even if it's related, to wanting to know about your past.

I also don't see why to die over and over again as years goes would be much worse than the blood war.

>>54945688
If there's any justice left in the multiverse TNO deserves to end in he blood war because he started it

>>54945719
>spoilers
I never saw the evidence for that theory. I always figured He fought in it for many years and became a powerful commander, committing countless atrocities along the way. For example, If you beat Dolora in chess at the Brothel, you'll get a memory about commanding demonic troops to victory in a huge battle. This is likely one of "Good" incarnation's memories.

>>54945688
One of the things preventing an evil TNO from just fucking off and living life is the shades that pursue you and try to kill you. Because they're the remnants of all the people whose souls were stolen to maintain your immortality, they will only grow more numerous and powerful over time, until they can't be stopped.

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>>54905948
I choose cestree on the condition that I get bestree

>>54945518
>Also, why want to "die"?
Because you did was an act of evil so great that a thousand lifetimes of absolute sainthood could not even begin to pay penance for it. I believe there's an allusion somewhere that it involves the slow death of the multiverse too.

Whatever TNO did, it was evil beyond compare.

I'm fond of the theory that the crime TNO committed was such a big deal because he believed it to be such a big deal.

>>54916520
No, fuck no.

She sits on the President's Evangelical Council :D

>>54918077
Fuck you, who wouldn't want a hot Bethesda Babe body and never menstruate?

i really prefer redhead-san
>remembering the lewd "scenes"
jesus christ i wish my girlfriend had a tail
also i get sad cause you fall in love
you make good friends
but you HAVE to die and be eternally in the brood war and you wont ever see them again
although i like to imagine his team made a trip to see him in hell

>>54948917
It really bummed me out that Dak'kon was implied to straight-up hate you. Though it made sense with how the Practical Incarnation fucked him royally, denying freedom to a creature belonging to a race that, at the time, were all about personal freedom.

*takes headphones off*

Sorry, Ignus didn't hear you....

>>54948962
I hacked my save file and maxxed out my Wisdom score, just so I could work through the prayer wheel with Dak'kon. If your stat is high enough, you can progress past his own understanding of his own religion, in the ultimate Tom Cruise moment. At that point you can either be a complete dick to him over it, or you can work through it and form an even stronger bond.

>>54948962
>It really bummed me out that Dak'kon was implied to straight-up hate you.
Dak'kon doesn't hate you after you go through all the prayer circles and help him find peace.

It hit me pretty hard when I realized why Morte kept suggesting I leave Dak'kon behind, though.

"I will not be judged by you mortal; not when you have lived the lives you have. Let me tell you of Betrayal: betrayal is cowardice... selling weapons to your adversaries out of fear that they might stop killing each other and turn upon you. Betrayal is refusing to lead by example. Betrayal is letting the Fiends run rampant through the Planes until evil has corrupted all hearts."

Trias was a dick, but... Mount Celestia absolutely destroyed, how will they ever recover?

>>54944833
Im pretty sure the text mentions that the person having sex with the succubus had sex knowing full well it would kill him but did it for the sake of sharing the memory with others. Since TNO is immortal it would make sense that he did it. However since he loses his memory in death it probably meant he recovered the memory later to store it there.
Or someone else with immortality decided to have sex with the succubus. But what person with immortality is on a low enough level of power that he bothers with the Society of Sensation? Most people that are immortal are too powerful to join a sigil club.

>>54945518
You want to die because you constantly draw another live to keep on going. And every death burns away a little part of your brain. The transended one tried to kill you to make sure you didnt get enough memories to challenge him again and to burn your brain a bit more. Once you are a zombie he would be immortal and not fear you ruining him. In the game you wake up being able to store your memories becuase the last incarnation drank from the styx. So at that point youre having a much better time, although you still have the issue that not solving your immortality would eventually turn you into a vegetable,
However there are a few permanent ways to die.
>Sitting back on a slab in the mortuary to let yourself get burned to ash
>taking coaxmetals weapon and killing yourself in the fortress of regrets
>dying enough times in the fortress of regrets (since the only souls to keep you going are from your party members).
And a few others probably. Either way its not just that you want to be dead permanently, its also that you want to know whats up.

>In the end you are just in another plane, worse than the one you were before.
Yes, thats the point. The blood war is hell, and because of your crimes you have to serve as a soldier there.

>>54948917
>but you HAVE to die and be eternally in the brood war and you wont ever see them again
>although i like to imagine his team made a trip to see him in hell
fall from grace tells TNO that she wants to bust him out of the blood wars.
She would have to drop a few articles of clothing but then i think she would be able to mix with the devil army and run into the TNO

>>54951217
>But what person with immortality is on a low enough level of power that he bothers with the Society of Sensation?
Isn't one of the main Sensate guys you talk to (Splinter) some sort of god from another dimension that just joined the Sensates for shits and giggles? It doesn't seem too far fetched that any number of immortals might join up. Look at Fall-from-grace, for instance.

>>54951519
Might be, it has been a long time since I played it and for some reason it always felt natural to me that TNO once was a sensate and fucked a succubus.