Hard Sci-Fi Image thread

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>>54899240

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>>54899247
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>>54899275
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>>54899289

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>>54899306
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>>54899315

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>>54899325
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>>54899337

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>>54899348

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>>54899358

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>>54899377
Anyone else here by the way?

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>>54899384

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>>54899408

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>>54899415

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>>54899423

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>>54899441

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>>54899448

>>54899384
I'm enjoying it.

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>>54899460

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>>54899477

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>>54899487

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>>54899495

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>>54899506

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>>54899520

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>>54899532

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>>54899548

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>>54899567

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>>54899579

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>>54899590

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>>54899601

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>>54899608

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>>54899615

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>>54899627

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>>54899636

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>>54899647

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>>54899675

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>>54899685

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>>54899715

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>>54899725

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>>54899733

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>>54899741

>>54899733
Fuck that

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>>54899754

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>>54899773

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>>54899783

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>>54899792

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>>54899803

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Oh man, my kind of thread!

>>54899601

Noomi Rapeface?

>>54899990
faggot

>>54899240

>dat inexistant radiation shielding

Cool thread anyway.

>>54899548
I was somewhat depressed to learn that although these dust storms can *look* impressive, the air on Mars is so thin that they're actually the equivalent of a light breeze, and wouldn't be a danger to anything.

Basically it's the one truly unrealistic thing in The Martian (book or movie), but it was necessary in order to kick off the plot.

>>54903874
How Hard Sci-fi is The Commonwealth Saga? I know it isn't the hardest of sci but still

>>54904083
Dunno, never read it.

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I've always liked how The Expanse makes their Martian marines look.

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>>54904283

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>>54899240

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>>54904350

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>>54904361

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>>54904374

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>>54904383
This confuses me. Shouldn't the mirrors be angled to catch sunlight? Right now the whole damn thing is in shadow

>>54899601
>>54902155
Sure fucking looks like it.

>>54903874

I THINK in the book they need to evac and he's stranded for that but it's no depicted as some badass Arrakis-like storm

>>54903282

Is that just me or those landing vehicles look comfy as fuck? They probably aren't in the plans, but still.

>>54904718
The movie was pretty much true to the book for that scene, but the afterword apologises for that inaccuracy.

>>54899821
Cookie cat...

>>54904718
I'd cruise around in one.

>>54904718
The scene is basically the same in both the book and the movie. The basic problem is that there's really nothing that could happen on the surface of Mars that would realistically require a crew to evacuate NOW, with the possible exception of, like, a meteor about to strike the base - but not only is that incredibly unlikely (no human being in the entirety of written history is known to have died from a meteor strike), it would kind of kill the basic premise since a meteor strike that forced a base evacuation would by necessity wipe out said base.

The author and everyone involved just admitted that the storm is something you just have to suspend your disbelief for in order to get to the actual story.

>>54899495

FOOTFALL! God damn, I've been trying to remember the name of that book for years.

anyone know where that picture of...IIRC, a woman undergoing decompression as her blood freezes is on projecthro?

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>>54904083
Pretty medium, somewhere between Type 2 and Type 3 on the Mohs Scale.
They are really quite good books though, despite the Magical Ozzie Hiking Trip being a bit dull IMO.
The Primes are one of the more interesting alien concepts I've found, and their history chapter was really good, and I am trying really rather hard but failing at not making my Dark Heresy character Paula Myo with a different skin on.
The Void Trilogy was a bit softer, more Type 2 straight up with all the "Magic, but reasonably consistently so" Void stuff and biononics.

>>54904470
Most of the platform is reflective white and it's only sporting a limited amount of radiator. I'd say the mirrors are set for limited solar gain in a way to throttle how much extra heat is taken on and could be ajusted for higher solar gain if needed.

Basically it's "night" mode inside so the mirrors are angled to keep it darker inside and let everything cool down a bit.

>>54902225
So you didn't get their reference?
How embarrassing!

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I like my sci-fi more al dente, am i still welcome ?

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>>54910455
well. i'll just post some pictures and hope nobody get's mad.

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>>54910549

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>>54910570
it's 4chan of course somebody will get mad

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>>54910593

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>>54910628
and have some space pirates for my last pics.

>>54903874

In the book the threat is that it's reducing the power yield of his solar panels on his ride and he doesn't know why because the storm is invisible to him even when he's in it. Eventually he guesses the answer and works out the direction of the storm and avoids most of it.

>>54906471

http://bodiesinspace.ghoste.net/

>what is the scifi equivalent of magical realm?

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>>54910689
what the everloving fuck ?

>>54899506
I didn't know there were really plans for orbital battleships in project orion. Jesus christ, this is cooler than that nuclear pulsejet doomsday machine.

>>54899240

I love Transhuman Space, probably the best hard sci fi rpg ever. But the art isn't really a good fit for the spirit of the game.

>>54903707
>implying radiation is real

>>54899754

Oh no look out mister spaceman!

>>54912320

Are you just assuming their spacegender?

>>54910689
Neat.

>>54906471
I'd have to look again, but damn, do I love Projectrho's site.

i lik spes

>>54912211
.durr hurr my ships have radiator that makes it hard sci-fi

It literally has magic in that stupid setting. It's space fantasy.

>>54910689
>mfw a thin positive pressure suit under your clothes, some air tanks, and a space helmet is about all you need to

>>54914854
to float around in space. The NASA suits are so bulky but that's probably going to change soon, at least for emergency EVA.

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>>54911277
Yeah. Idk how true this is, but word is that Kennedy shut it down when he saw the plans.

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What would serving in the soviet star fleet be like?

>>54915586
There are too many engines, everything keeps falling apart, and there's a good chance of catastrophic mechanical failure. Just like the real Soviet space program.

>>54903874
>>54906218

So, barring the compromise of your suit, how far of a fall would you have to take for it to be fatal?

It always bugged me when sci-fi games depict all planets having 1g of gravity.

>>54914743
Its just a picture you spaz I have no idea where its from.

>>54915404

>Kennedy shut it down when he saw the plans.

Knowing his addiction to sex being borderline clinical satyrism they should have added "artist representation" of blue skinned alien women on it to have it done.

>>54915645

Somehow the thing still cost only a 10th of the american ships and works almost as good and can survive supernovaes at close range but will spontaneously explode if the officer bridge's freezer short circuit.

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>>54915586
>Reformed Soviet Union
>2420
What a meme

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>>54916621

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>>54914617
Hari Seldon is my homeboy.

>>54915645
>USSR's rockets were still better than NASA's

>>54911277
> Guys, we need funding. Sell this shit to the air force.
> How are we gonna do that?
> Well, orbital fucking battleships? Here, I've been working on something.
> Dude, this is just doodles you did when you were working on something else.
> I even made models!
> Out of cardboard, for your kids to play with.
> Yeah, but if we do it up as technical drawings, maybe throw some technical details on there...
> They have stylised explosions and 'pew pew' sound effects on them.
> What have YOU got?
> ... Okay, it's a start at least.

>>54911277
And the Soviets had some "satellites" with low-caliber auto-cannons on them for a little while.

>>54914854
>>54914868
You'll still need radiation protection unless getting leukemia is your goal. Also you'd have to move around sometimes to keep from cooking or freezing depending on whether you're in the path of the sun.

>>54916621
Even some experienced Western politicians thought the Soviet Union would be eternal, mind.

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>>54904283
>>54904302
Documentaries excluded, is the Expanse about as hard as televised science fiction has ever gotten?
I mean, their fusion drives are still absurdly powerful, but not in a way that breaks physics.

>>54907416
Night's Dawn was a little bit harder (trade force fields for impossibly awesome biotech)... except for, uh, the tormented souls returning from Hell. But that's treated as out-of-context, unbelievable, and 'magical' in setting, so I don't really mind

>>54918367
Those fusion drives are so powerful they might as well break physics.

>>54914704
I've never quite gotten the idea of 'Earthrise'. If the moon is tidally locked to Earth, and the near side (with the man in the moon etc) is always facing us, wouldn't Earth's position seem static in the moon's sky? You'd have to drive across the surface to the far hemisphere to see the Earth rise or set.

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>>54918367
>is the Expanse about as hard as televised science fiction has ever gotten?

Kinda, it just goes very unimaginative and shallow with its stuff. It should have a better "cutting edge" feel like a much higher degree of automatization, portable fabricators and on-site resourcing, and more extreme ship designs (the Donnager is my waifu tho).

>>54918667
Pretty sure the lack of more computerised stuff/cyberpunk tropes is deliberate. Author wanted classic 'spaceships and space countries', not transhuman shenanigans
But then the alien ooze does its thing...

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>>54918684

As far as I can recall, the author of the books admitted that after doing his space research he simply did not have enough energy to make up cool tech devices too and integrate them into the setting.

For the show, it is SyFy, so I'm happy that they are trying at least this much.

>>54917820
Which is reasonable enough, but the Reformed Soviet Union?

>>54917820

And you often see nations try to reprise their old mistakes and policies again and again. Communism has been tried many many times in many eras, countries, and cultures, and yet people are still trying it. Nations often tell themselves a fairy tale about a glorious past that was corrupted by lazy/self-absorbed younger generations or evil minority/foreign influences (that's the nazi fable about how germany couldn't continue Bismarck's brilliant successes and why they lost WWI).

Often when a dictator comes to power, there's a "sugar rush" period where state-stolen resources are thrown into institutions from the old regime like corporations that haven't had much time to become inefficient and corrupt. Also, usually the provinces are raided to create monuments and luxuries in the capital, where the leader needs people happy and supportive. So the first few years makes it seem like the dictator is a genius, because everyone who matters and makes opinions sees good things happening in those first few years. Hence why the Roman's kept lurching from crappy emperor to crappy emperor: they were always seeking another Augustus, not realizing that Augustus's success was from harvesting what the Republic had grown, and from making Rome the city grow fat by burning away the muscle in the rest of Rome the empire.

And yet despite their mostly-dismal performances, the Caesars of Rome had enough prestige that for the next two millennia, their name was used as the title for crowned leaders in several countries. Even in the USA, the title is used (albeit somewhat ironically and disparagingly).

Russia at least can point to its position as one of the two world superpowers and its expansive empire during the Cold War. Can you seriously bet against another leader coming to power promising to bring it all back once communism's horrors fade out of living memory? Or some system that uses the rhetoric and symbols of communism but is in fact something different?

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>>54921698
I like my hard scifi earth successor cultures to have convoluted and semi-accurate tales of cultural heritage tied to earth, especially with the events of the 20th century misunderstood and condensed into one heavily historicized cultural fable. Not quite a new Trojan war but something approaching it, with the actual context of the prior events tossed up to some modern vagary equivalent to 'sea peoples'.

It may not quite fit, but it gives the future the sort of foreign but familiar cultural quality that makes a setting fun to explore, and seems consistent with human nature.

>>54922112
>some modern vagary equivalent to 'sea peoples'.
>it was probably nascent proto-ASI that did it
>that makes no sense, they didn't have true computers
>well there /were/ some pretty complex typewriters and calculators...
>no, please stop

>>54917119
Yes. When they worked. They have a distressing habit of failing more often, which really eats into the cost savings.

>>54921698
After the latest few attempts at Color Revolutions I suspect advocating Communism will be a hanging offense for the next few centuries.

>>54922615
>>54917119
NASA made it to the moon, the USSR did not, because their moonshot rocket exploded on the pad, taking the pad with it along with half the crew.

>>54904601
Daily reminder that if we live till humanity landing on Mars, it will be Chinese crew

>>54907416
>Pretty medium
>Post values below the medium of 3.5

>>54923110
Or SpaceX employees, at the rate we're going. Chinese boosters explode more often than SpaceX ones.

>>54921698
>I read a single wikipedia article about dictators in history: The Post
I wish things were as simple as you believe.
I really fucking wish, no irony or snark involved.

But thing is, I'm old enough to remember my country being still technically commie. I also spend sizable chunk of my life dealing with that and collecting data about it for different reasons.
Like I said - I wish it was as simple as you believe it to be.

I also ended up as a historian and I REALLY wish things were this simple, like your (utterly stupid and wrong) example with Augustus.

t. Pole

>>54917119
>>54922961
Most rockets in the Soviet space program were either on par if not sometimes better than their NASA equivalent, especially when that money hog called the Shuttle program rolled around, it was just that the Soviets did not give a shit about safety regulations so the testing phases for their rockets were particularly deadly to be involved in. The major exception to this rule was the Saturn V, the rocket that took us to the moon, but the Saturn V was such a brilliant feat of engineering that it still can't be matched in terms of sheer reliability and power to this day anyways.

The Proton rockets in particular have been a beacon of reliability when you factor in how cheap they are to make. 413 launches since 1965 and 366 of them were successes, some years managing to go for 20 launches in a row without a single failure multiple times.

>>54923185
You are forgetting an important detail here. Chinese have roughtly 20 times more capital to burn and we are talking about really reserved funding they are using for that project.
The magic of Chinese space program in general is that it's NOT showy (like the Indian one, which exists literally to show off rest of the world how "powerful" India is) nor its rushed. And first and foremost, it's done to "take over" the orbit and then try with Moon habitat to prepare for further voyage, collecting data.
They are taking tiny steps, but a fuckload of them.

>>54923253
The Saturn V is because Wehrner Von Braun was the Nikolai Tesla of rocketry, only with funding.

>>54923253
>Saturn V was such a brilliant feat of engineering that it still can't be matched in terms of sheer reliability and power to this day anyways

> Reliability
Matched by Soyuz, and also by US disposable boosters.
> Power
We haven't needed that much since. NASA's new SLS is a good chunk of the way there, and the Falcon 9 Heavy is less but still significant.
Maybe when Musk goes full Kerbal and tapes six Falcon 9 cores around a stretched central one, we'll have an equivalent. Or when NASA start buying Falcon 9 cores to use as boosters on the SLS and goes REALLY kerbal.

>>54923385
>We haven't needed that much since.
Only because the Shuttle program replaced it. Skylab showed that the Saturn V did a perfectly good job launching more practical things.

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>>54899240

>>54923385
>>54923586
Shuttle program was a mistake. Not a grave one, but still a mistake. Showy, but ultimately much more expensive and progressively getting more and more dated, without any real way to work around it. It also forced Soviets to pull their own just to show off, syphoning trendemous amount of funding from their space program on things that were never finished nor performed a single flight and now rusted into scrap.

>>54899477
Love tin can EVA suits
far more practical than soft or hard suits and they look cooler too.

>>54915645
>RUSSIAN COMPONENTS
>AMERICAN COMPONENTS
>ALL MADE IN TAIWAN

>>54919239
The only thing I dislike about the ship is the fucking staircase to the cockpit

>>54914617
I haven't read any of the Foundation books in a long time but the only space ship related thing I remember about them was the space ship battle in the Second Foundation. Did Isaac Asimov ever gave much detail to the ships?

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>>54918667
>like a much higher degree of automatization
according to the backstory the entire conflict in the series was started by rampant automatization.
The economic befifets of a fully automated workforce became to much to ignore putting pretty much everyone out of work necessitating the creation of a universal basic income, which in turn was unsustainable because while labor was free resources were still finite, this meant individual nation were unable to care for their populations and so had to consolidate each others resources by becoming a one world government controlled by the UN, resource limitations, an enormous and growing population and centuries of environmental damage forced them to push industrialization into space turning to other planets and asteroids for mineral resources as well as a place to put their excess population, colonists were taxed in the form of production quotas, this economic exploitation led to tensions and later revolution, earth and mars had two different standoffs with mars only gaining independence after the development of the epstein drive.
Mars intentionally limits automation of labor in an attempt to avoid the reasons they saw earths economy crashing.

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space!Metro

>>54915586
They use diesel engines and have massive smokestacks

>>54903707
>implying you'd need it for such short times
>implying the metal struts aren't superconductors that create an electromagnetic shielding