Warhammer 40k general /40kg/:

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>>54897371
FOR THE EMPEROR'S FINEST, ULTRAMAR!

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>>54897371
slaanesh is a pretty fun sheila

>>54897389
i want to collect all the mug pics.. SPAM EM SO I CAN SAVE EM PLS

Would a custom Chapter whose geneseed has mutated to only work on adults be pushing it? Or would that be too ridiculous.

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WE LOUD
AS
FUCK
NOW

I just had an epiphany about blastmasters. A single blastmaster is 1d3 krak missiles that ignore cover. For 20 points. That's the equivalent of 1-3 havocs with missile launchers per turn. And that's LOUD.

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

>>54897418
What would the point be

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>>54897389

Nice mug! Looks just like mine!

>>54897422
One reason why i want to put 11 of em on the table (along wiht sonic blasters.

>>54897371

>TFW my Renegades and Heretics army is now 150 shooty vraks militia and 200 mutants and fanatics melee guys backed up with 12 ogryns on drugs.

I'm just thinking if its worth giving them vehicles or if thats wasted on a horde army.

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inb4 8th ed Drukhari nerfs

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has anyone cut off the cowl on the primaris gravis captain?

I got a cheap spare one and I want to try some cool stuff with him.

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>slaanesh cultist

Reminder that Moriana could be Euphrati Keeler, not even Imperial Saints are free from Chaos.

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>>54897458
>slaneesh shitposting
Much more common.

>>54897434
They serve along IG frequently in exchange for recruits. Kind of like how the Minotaurs are close to the highlords and the Red Hunters are close to the inquisition.

>>54897452
What would be nerfed?

Black Legion link when?

>>54897446
you basically can do everything normal guard can do .. so doo eet. get some baslisks/wyverns and hellhounds.. tear taht shit up

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These sculpts are great

>>54897490
Durability or speed because there's no fucking way to meleeing them right now.

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>>54897437

So which loadouts on primaris intercessors are good?

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>>54897458
A shit

Hydra Dominatus

Mephrit, Enclaves, Lyanden etc
Xenos tends to have one GW pushed subgroup
How will their codices work? One in depth subfaction or?

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>>54897510
They do. Too bad I don't like the Nurgle aesthetic though because now I have to convert my CSM from AoS sets.

>>54897534
Standard Bolt Rifle. Sergeant with a Power Sword and Aux. Grenade Launcher.

>>54897534
The ones that destroy the Capitalist Machine, infamous for it's special rule 'Oiled by the Blood of the Proletariat'

>>54897538
is that cultistchan all grown up?

>>54897558
Too much clothing, not enough snagletooth

>>54897544
i have to admit alot of the AOS stuff would make exelent conversions.. temtped to try it out on some csm.

>>54897457
The guy didn't post shots of how cleanly he cut it off, but I did see a photo of someone who did this to the Dark Imperium HQ and it looked great from the front. Like a beefy super power armor/Terminator with Mk VIII collar.

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New Deathwatch codex when? I want a new flyer for my Primaris Deathwatch. The Repulsor is way too slow.

Also, pic attached is not mine. Just thought it looked cool.

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Forming a GK force
Battalion Detachment:
Lord Kaldor Draigo: 240pts
+ Hammerhand
+ Sanctuary

Grand Master Voldus: 190pts+ Gate of Infinity
+ Hammerhand
+ Sanctuary

Strike Squad: 105pts
+ Nemesis falchions x5: 0pts
+ Storm bolters x5: 10pts
+ Gate of Infinity

Razorback: 100pts
+ Twin assault cannon: 35pts

Strike Squad: 105pts
+ Nemesis falchions x5: 0pts
+ Storm bolters x5: 10pts
+ Gate of Infinity

Razorback: 100pts
+ Twin assault cannon: 35pts

Strike Squad: 105pts
+ Nemesis falchions x5: 0pts
+ Storm bolters x5: 10pts
+ Gate of Infinity

Razorback: 100pts
+ Twin assault cannon: 35pts

Apothecary: 90pts
+ Nemesis warding stave: 0pts
+ Sanctuary

Paladin Ancient: 142pts
+ Nemesis falchion: 0pts
+ Storm bolter: 2pts
+ Sanctuary

Paladin Squad: 178pts
+ Nemesis falchions x2: 0pts
+ Nemesis daemon hammer: 13pts
+ Storm bolter x3: 6pts
+ Hammerhand

Paladin Squad: 288pts
+ Nemesis falchions x4: 0pts
+ Nemesis daemon hammer: 13pts
+ Storm bolter x5: 10pts
+ Hammerhand

Interceptor Squad: 250pts
+ Nemesis falchions x10: 0pts
+ Storm bolters x10: 20pts
+ Hammerhand

Total: 1993pts
Thoughts on the list?

I wish the fucking weather would clear up. Bouncing between sun and rain, so I don't wanna risk priming.

>>54897452
Calling for Drew Carey nerfs. What a time to be alive.

>>54897573
Hopefully a long ways off. We've had enough Marines and niche marines already.

>>54897558
I believe that's cultistman all in a dress

>>54897484
Stranger things have happened I guess, I'd make it so they serve alongside IG in exchange for the soldiers firstborns instead, give it another layer of the marines not knowing their parents only the regiment they served in

>>54897581
it's like that here in houston every day .. fuck i think i can maybe prime outside once every 3 months if i'm lucky :(

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>>54897553
thanks anon
>>54897556
isn't that what imperial guard do?

>>54897542
Klans for Orks
Dynasties for Necrons
Hive Fleets for Tyranids
Craftworlds for Eldar
Enclaves/Septs for Tau

Should all work similar to Chapter Tactics, perhaps each affecting different units. Dark Eldar should have 3 'subfaction' rules, Covens/Kabals/Cults and it could be chosen depending on your warlord to represent who is hiring who and leading the whole group.

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>>54897570
They're big guys
Which is another perk.

>>54897619
>Necron dynasties
>Septs
>Klans
Oh boy time for a bunch of literal whos as GW struggles to find relevant ones

>>54897612
I got half way through priming the other day, then ran out of paint.
By the time I got more it was too late, and weather had closed in.

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Rate my first Thousand Sons list. I'm planning on buying Tzeentch Daemons Start collecting box so I'll have Flamers and Screamers to summon instead of either the Pink Horrors or Burning Chariot

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What are anons working on?

I have some BRRRRT Tsons for HH or as Autocannon/HB havocs

>>54897619
I'm a bit worried for deldar.
I imagine they'll have a few each of kabals, cults and covens, but I don't know how they'll get them all to work together at all.

>>54897674
Uhhh Scarabs dont get to take autocannons anon

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>>54897682
I'm converting some AoS Blood Warriors into CSM, already posted them though. >>54897544

>>54897452
>Dark Eldar finally in a good place
>people call for nerfs

I hate life sometimes.

>>54897598
Fuck you
Deathwatch are unplayable right now

>>54897371
I don't see anything in the CSM codex that prevents me from taking Khorne sorcerers in a World Eaters detachment but find it hard to believe. Can anyone else confirm this fluff rape?

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Looking to make a my dudes primaris chapter but can't decide on the background.

Right now I'm torn between an army of fanatics who have a boner for Celestine, and a group of upgraded heresy legionaires who WTF'd at the current statement and have a #NotMyLordCommander opinion of Girlyman.

Comments/opinions

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>>54897682
Not blood ravens, thousand sons

>>54897707
>OP as fuck
>"good place"
Fukken xenofags

>>54897619
>Should all work similar to Chapter Tactics
Joke's on you, they won't be similar, they'll be identical.

Might as well start thinking now about which septs/clans/whatever reroll charge range, and which give opponents a -1 to shooting.

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>>54897682
Wrapping up on cleaning up the first of 3 Tron-lines on my Stealth Suits. Have an early shift tomorrow so I have to call it early tonight.

>>54897721
>xenofags
But Imperium is worse in fair balance you conscript cuck

>>54897612
You might consider learning how to prime with black gesso. It works much, much better than GW's brush on primer but it's as durable. But on plastic models that's not as big a deal.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Priming_With_Acrylic_Gesso

>>54897749
>it's as durable
isn't as durable

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>>54897697
I like their leather booties
They do look nice though

>>54897713
I know the index says no Sorcerers can take Khorne, cant speak for the Codex

>>54897719
My taller brothers!

>>54897730
I always liked Stealth Suits

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>>54897721
You're the first person I've been bitch about DEldar, so maybe you just need to be better at the game my friend

>>54897719
they look really orange in this pic, is it just the photo quality?

>>54897738
Everything op must be nerfed
"Waah we were dogshit in earlier editions" isnt a valid excuse to be autowin now

>>54897749
Have you tried Vallejo's polyurethane primer? How does it compare to gesso when brushed on?

>>54897773
I think it's just the lighting

>>54897661
>ork klans
>literal who's

Time to be honest, are you really new or just stupid?

>>54897730
Do you use any washes for that

>>54897726
>A sept that can charge after falling back or always fights first
Oh boy funny

>>54897768
damn I really should whiten up my shoulder pads, mine currently are a cummy creamy color from ushabti bone because I didn't want it to get too chalky.

>>54897773
they look nice n red in person, god my camera sucks.

>>54897769
Compare their stats to other armies and tell me they arent op
But like if you want to roll over people after getting rolled over for editions at a time cant blame you

>>54897721
>DE
>OP
what

Ynnari I guess, but DE are far from OP

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What is your army, and what are some tactics that work well against them?

>>54897783
I haven't. Just Imperial Primer and Liquitex Gesso. The guy who runs one of the painting youtube channel's I follow likes it though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C2K_-3Jcjk

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>>54897682
Making a Necromunda gang from the Chaos Cultists

>>54897792
>waah you should know all about the npcs
Who memorizes the stopgap villains?

>>54897795
Not unless it's a metallic part like the gyros or a non-black armor panel. I thin down Baharroth Blue(I used to use Temple Guard Blue and now I'm kicking myself for not using baharroth sooner, it's a way better color) with airbrush thinner and slide it into the cracks and come back to clean up with black which then gets highlighted with Dark Reaper.

>>54897795
Probably Farsight

>>54897716
I personally like (and may end up doing myself) the Heresy era vets, but i also think they should tell Cawl to fuck off in addition to girlyman. They got taken from their legion and thrown into stasis, woken only to be surgically augumented in new experimental ways that may not even work properly, possibly had friends/brothers die in the early stages of augmentations, their legion was disbanded and broken down... They could easily hate both parties.

I'm actually really starting to like this idea now

>>54897726
>mfw people just call the different septs by their space marine names like people called other race's formation formations decurions

>>54897800
maybe put it down and against a white background. Also some lighting like pointing a lamp at it could help photo. doesn't gw have a pic of suggestions for taking pics?

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>>54897730
Nice job anon! I almost finished 3 Stealth suits today too. Always liked the little guys.

>>54897827
I listen to you fags talk about your fucking chapters all day when all space marines are basically the same boring faggot.

>>54897688
Might just be a matter of picking who the main part of your army is and applying the tactic to them only. So if you run Black heart kabal tactics your kabal troops get the bonus buy your wyches don't. I presume ork klans would be similar, not that there's as much reason to mix klans these days.

>>54897864
>complaining about chapter tactics
>on August 15, 2017

You mean Chaos legions right.

>>54897827
>waah why doesn't everyone know the difference between the red marines, the blue marines, the evil red marines, and the evil blue marines
Who memorizes completely interchangeable protagonists?

>>54897864
>I listen to you faggots talk about your white people shit all day when all white people are basically the same boring faggot

How's it feel, honkey?

>>54897827
So you're new and stupid, got it

So chaos players, unload the soul grinders and knights and titans onto the planets of Konor. You can win this planet!

>>54897852
Xenos units already get called MEQ and GEQ and so on. I fully expect people to tell me that they are playing as Raven Guard orks or White Scars eldar.

>>54897889
You're both fucking retarded. I know all the ork klans AND all the snowflake chapters, so there's no excuse. I even know craftworlds and hive fleets. The only shit I don't know is most dynasties and cabals since dynasties are pretty new in coverage and cabals are never mentioned other than the one or tow major ones.

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What's everyone painting tonight?

>>54897833
Pretty neat

>>54897835
Exactly who will efficiently use it aside from literally Farsight

>>54897822
Nice, thanks. I used to use Imperial Primer til I got two bad pots in a row and swore never again, so I'm looking for something new.

>>54897827
Anyone that can't name the six ork Klan's is absolutely new.

>>54897872
Yeah, I'd imagine. The problem is how interlocked they are. If you drop a part, you're missing a lot.
Eg. Snipers are covens only. Melee is primarily cults or unaligned etc

>>54897916
Finally feel a bit motivated to finish up my screamer, basing my remaining three brimstones, and then maybe working on a blue horror or flamer. Forgot to grab my pot of Agrax while painting with a buddy but I have time to burn before the Thousand Sons codex, so I can probably do a lot by then

>>54897923
It sounds like a good product. I'd say give it a shot. And I'm with you on the Imperial Primer. It works fine if you get a good batch but seems to frequently be fucked up and not work at all.

>>54897889
Flavours of marines that get as much fluff and crunch each as a xenos npc

>>54897909
the one true patrican

>>54897515
>Durability
>Deldar
U wot

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>>54897515
>Trying to melee DEldar

I'm guessing in your perfect 40k, every army is totally vulnerable to every strategy? Good god if you're bad at this.

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>>54897864
>>54897889
"Space Orcs" "Space Elves" "Space Drow" "Xenomorphs + Buggers" and "Space Egyptian Robots" aren't any more unique bud.

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>>54897916
Fire Warriors and Stealth suits.

>>54897948
>>54897892
Wipe those tears nids, wait shit, orks
You're all equally irrelevant it is easy to lose track

>>54897812
EXAMPLES
X
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P
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some mathhammer comparisons because reasons

vanilla grey knight terminators versus ordinary terminators

all targets are MEQs also because reasons

all heavy weapons are assumed to have moved

10 rapid firing storm bolters: 4.44 unsaved wounds

10 rapid firing storm bolters with psybolts stratagem: 8.89 unsaved wounds

8 storm bolters: 3.56 unsaved wounds

8 storm bolters and 2 assault cannons: 5.56 unsaved wounds

8 storm bolters and 2 psycannons: 4.89 unsaved (40 points for .45 more wounds, don't do it!)

8 storm bolters and 2 psilencers: 4.89 unsaved wounds, 1.33 of that is D3 damage.

melee

10 power fists: 7.29 unsaved wounds, D3 damage

10 thunder hammers: 7.29 unsaved wounds, 3 damage.

10 lightning claws: 17.22 unsaved wounds (ouch!)

10 force swords: 5.83 unsaved wounds, D3 damage
with hammerhand: 7.78 unsaved wounds, D3 damage

10 halberds: 6.22 unsaved wounds, D3 damage
with hammerhand: 7.78 unsaved wounds, D3 damage

10 falchions: 6.89 unsaved wounds, D3 damage
with hammerhand: 9.18 unsaved wounds, D3 damage

1 daemon hammer on sarge: 1.04, increase the other totals by about .15 if you replace the sergeants weapon with one.
Unaffected by hammerhand in this case.

Altogether, shooting + charge

storm bolters+AC+PF termies: 12.85 unsaved wounds

thunder hammers: 7.29 unsaved wounds

lightning claws: 17.22 unsaved wounds

storm bolters + force swords: 10.27 unsaved wounds, 12.22 with hammerhand, 16.67 unsaved wounds with both hammerhand and psybolts

storm bolters + halberds: 10.66, 12.22 with hammerhand, 16.67 with both hammerhand and psybolts

storm bolters + falchions: 11.33, 13.62 with hammerhand, 18.07 unsaved wounds with hammerhand and psybolts

Conclusion: Don't take psycannons on GK terminators it is NOT worth it.

Lightning claw termies are terrifying if you can get them there.

Mathematically, psybolts is about the same thing as just straight up letting your GK termies fire twice. Its one of the best stratagems in the game. Save 2 CP for it.

>>54897949
They could just make it a blanket thing, "this raid is being run by the blah blah cult, all infantry gets the following benefit"

>>54897515
>DEldar
>Durability
Are you actually retarded? They die to a mean glance.

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Wait, I'm confused. Are DEldar good or meh this edition? I just started collecting them (if they're bad, it won't stop me).

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>>54897515
>Durability

>>54897576

Drop a razorback, deep strike the strike squad, split the interceptors into two squads in a rhino.
Spend excess points on more guys in the deep striking strike squad.

You'll have exactly 7 units deep striking and 7 units on field.

>interceptors in a rhino
Its as ridiculous as it sounds but it works. Plus it'll be 1 drop but 3 units on field for deep strike purposes.

>>54898062
Pretty good.

>>54898081
not him, but who is truly bad this edition? I keep hearing that tau and eldar are bad, but still get complaints.

>>54898062
Just good. They have a solid win percentage in tournament but don't have anything really broken (since the all razorwing army was fixed) and so haven't actually won much. People are pushing back on the guy claiming they're OP, which they are not. But anyone claiming they are actually bad is equally wrong.

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/08/03/the-state-of-the-meta-v1-1/

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>DEldar finally in a good place
>People complaining that they should be nerfed because they are finally not trash

>>54898105
>Tau
>Eldar
7th edition waacfags assblasted that their giant robots don't give them free wins anymore.

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>>54898105
>I keep hearing that tau and eldar are bad, but still get complaints.

>>54897661
Septs:
T'au
V'iorla
Kel'shan
FSE
Dal'yth
There are the five most relevant tau subfactions, shouldn't be too hard to make bonuses for them
>T'au
Supporting fire range now 9" or 12"
>V'iorla
idk
>Kel'shan
At the start of each turn roll a d6 for each <battlesuit> unit, on a 6 restore a wound to that unit
>FSE
Crisis suits may be taken as troop choices
>Dal'yth
+2 to seize, roll a d6 when enemy warlord slain, on a 6 gain an extra victory point

>>54897682

I'm still tinkering with all my old units from 7th ed, now that so many things have become viable. Though I'll hopefully be picking up a penitent engine tomorrow.
It is fun taking apart my old models and giving them new gear.

>>54897697

Heretic Johnny. Nice.

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>you're browsing your local GW store and suddenly two big robots shoot at your infantry squad 36 times
Wat do?

>>54898105
Having not played either I couldn't say. The names I see mentioned in terms of being bad most are necrons, deathwatch and tau, but I don't know enough about them to comment

>>54898139
>>54898139
Wonder what the fuck infantry are doing in my Monster Mash list

>>54898139
Probably shrug it off with my Thousand Sons and then attempt to smite them.

>>54898139
Spend 2 command points and redeploy my remaining 2 cultists on the other side of the table.

>>54898139

Plasma.

>>54898105
Custode.

Literally shit and overpriced. They have 2W and EW in 7th which make them a boss. Now in 8th they still have 2 fucking wound and can get 1 shot now.

>>54898133
Aren't Vior'la urban combat specialists?

Give 'em ignore cover or something.

>>54898105
Nothing is truly terrible
People whine about everything, you'll get conscript and guilliman in casual lists players complaining about being bad

>>54898139
remove my squad of daemonette because they die fast all the time

>>54898139
soul grinder meme magic has basis in the materium

>>54898105
>who is truly bad this edition?
Deathwatch and pre-codex Deathguard. Necrons aren't great against good opponents either, but they can pubstomp pretty well and hold their own in casual games as a resultl.

>>54898161
Funny that they're basically Terminators now

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>>54898139
fly 2 of these bad boys and respond with heavy80

>>54898130
Same with Guard.

>>54898133
A bit pointless
Take crisis as troops doesn't matter with detachments
Sieze and 1/6 warlord benefit too
I'd expect Enclaves dudes to have a small WS buff or something

>>54898161
Except they have 3 wounds though and are still S5T5...

>>54897812
>mfw I've rolled over a DE army twice now using AdMech

Maybe you're just shit anon.

>>54898153
Thousand Sons shrug off S6 AP-2 with no cover bonus?

>>54898139
laugh as its stuck in melee for 6 turns.

>>54898105
any army that can no longer place their giant mecha ontop of an objective and ezmode the game...so tau and eldar are being hit particularly hard by this

>>54898226
Conscripts are bullshit. Buff something else like Infantry Squads in exchange if you need to, but they need to be nerfed.

>>54898227
It does in the sense that they could be ObSec and you would likely have more CP.

>>54898144
I feel like necrons are great if you get lucky with reanimation.
At my LGS I was watching a game where someone had a squad of warriors dropped to 1 model, and get basically everything up again before it could be wiped. This happened twice in the one game, which he proceeded to go on and win.

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Pic related for a Night Lords Helldrake. Yes or no?

>>54897795
>A sept that can actually melee

Better have katanas as standard equipment.

>>54898226
apart from conscript spam i completely agree with you altho i have to concede that conscript spam fits with their 'overwhelm the enemy with numbers' fluff

>>54897347
I like them because the Tankred comic is how I got into 40k, their style and iconography is really sharp and striking, they hang out with Sisters occasionally, and my roommate plays Smurf, so they're a way to up my "fuck the Ultramarines" game and piss him off

Also what's wrong with cqc? Why is a bunch of raving assholes charging in with chainswords bad?

>>54898236
Not him but they get get +1 to saves when attacked by a weapon that's only 1 damage. Though Dakka bots would probably still fuck them up since there are only so many 4+ saves they can make.

>>54897817
>Tyranid
Lots of low cost guns rather than several powerful ones.

>>54898139
You overkilled 47 points of models. You probably split fired and shot 2 different squads, so now they are both dead. In return an Inquisitor deepstrikes in and casts Terrify on them and now they can no longer Overwatch. A Valkyrie flies over and drops off 4 Bullgryn who prepare to charge. Suddenly Scions and an Eversor appear. Celestine uses double movement thanks to faith and suddenly you have a situation on your hands.

I fail all my charges and nothing happens. It was a ruse all along. I only wanted to pretend to charge.

>>54898266
Exactly 1 model remaining post morale? How many lost to morale?

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>>54898284
I cant believe someone would bother calling black templars edgy OC marines when they're the living, breathing stereotype of every single /tg/ marine head canon meme.

>>54898283
I think Conscripts could be fine as long as they don't get the whole Commissar execution buff, and they shouldn't get orders either. So they get a leadership buff from Commissars/Inquistors Leadership and that's it.

>>54898301
>I fail all my charges and nothing happens.
Are you me?

>>54898301
How did you cast a psychic power and then deepstrike more units?

>>54898139
10 hellblasters fall out of a repulsor, rapid fire and do 17.78 damage.

>>54898301
I love Kastelan bros when enemy plays Celestine. 108 shots that wound on 2+ ought to keep that stubborn cunt down

>>54898333
If you're bringing vehicles into this that Repulsor was probably dead turn 1 from Neutron Onagers.

>>54898264
Eh
I'd rather something more fun to play with even if it isn't the best

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I am going to play my first 8th edition game tomorrow and take a lot of pictures for a battle report. If I post that here, are there any guidelines I should follow for things like post count, image size, etc?

Pic related is the template I made for it, not sure if it's too big.

>>54898349
Oh, no doubt. It wouldn't be a terribly exciting bonus, but it does do "something".

>>54898162
Imperial fists already have ignores cover, markerlights provide as well, seems a little redundant desu.
>>54898214
>not running three in 2000 points
disgusting
>>54898227
>crisis as troops
It does matter since you get get a battalion detachment for more CP
>seize+1/6
tau don't always go first, plus trying to represent having lots of water caste is kinda hard, maybe opponent must roll a 4+ for each reserve unit attempting to deploy?
>enclaves WS buff
no melee equipment yet to make use of it.
even if we got onager and fusion blades, two melee weapons are not worth giving all FSE WS4+, they'd become shit.
how about this
>FSE
units firing at half range or less gain +1 to hit

>>54898353
looks fine to me...im sure you will get some ass blasted anons making a big deal tho. You just do you

>>54898325
>"you should probably use your command points to re-roll that charge"
>"NO! I NEED TO SAVE THEM!"
>end game with full CP, just like you end up finishing video games with all the found potions unused

>>54897544
Dude, your guys are missing their heads!

>>54898325
Yes. Together we will always fail.

My favorite failed charge was Straken needing 4 inches. I rolled a 1 and 2. I re-rolled the 1 and got a 1. Then he stood out in the open like an idiot and got hit by a Missile. Nork was nearby, but he was 4 inches away, so he couldn't take any hits. Guy rolled a 5 on the D6 for damage and I failed my warlord 6+++ saves.
>>54898330
Well obviously I DS'd everything first! Making fun of the order of my words, you.
>>54898343
That is a lot of firepower. That's exactly why I like to use the double movement with her. Gotta keep her hidden until she flies out. Same reason I also like Terrify. Stupid overwatch when there's flamers/heavy flamers and a billion shots.

>>54898353
Don't overthink it man just go have fun

>>54898353
Template looks fine. But the overall picture istelf can probably stand to be half that size.

>>54898343
To literally alpha a repulsor on average you'll need 4.5 onagers which isn't ridiculous but not really common in my experience.

>>54898362
>not running three in 2000 points
im still waiting on china to send my 3rd highly toxic WAAC flyer

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>>54898374
Every time.

>>54898353

This collage style is easier to view than unedited snapshots posted repeatedly.

>mfw this 6 MB image loaded instantly but the uncropped 2-3 MB bullshit found all over the WIP generals take forever to load

Fucking 4chan.

>>54898380
probably because I haven't put them on yet

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>>54897515

>>54898308
I don't remember, but he was keeping track (He had a pile for dead models, and laid down ones from previous turns, so anything upright was from that turn).

He also had a cryptek nearby, which I imagine helped him out.

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>>54898243
Oh, so you mean they made the game unfluffy? Just great.

>>54897817
Dark Eldar, and I struggle digging tough troops like marines out of cover, splinter weapons don't do much and I've only got so many blasters

>>54898392

And this was meant to go to >>54898348, whoops.

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>>54898398
>waac
>not combining waac+fluff in a list like pic related
disgusting
(list is 3 points over due to heavy bolter tarantulas being 24 points not 27 as listed in builder

>>54898353
Looks great, I like this format. The image size is also nice for zooming in after saving. Don't forget the text description though.
>>54898407
Strange, it also loaded instantly for me.

>>54898271
Definitely.
That would look pretty sick.

>>54897709
Complaining you don't have enough flyers?

AdMech has no transports( and T3 dudes ), no flyers, no deepstrike, no infiltrate.

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>>54897682
Still working on my apothecary, over half way done now so that's nice, still a long way to go.

>>54898353
It could be reduced in size, but it's overall fine. You'll get people bitching eitherway (mostly trolls who don't play), so just do what you like and post. Most of us love a good battle report, even if we don't always have much to say in response to one.

>>54898362
>units firing at half range or less gain +1 to hit
I'd certainly find that fun
Get up close and personal

>>54898271
yes, if you have the skills for it

>>54898417
I ask because you can't reanimate casualties lost to morale

>>54898460
That plus Breachers would be awesome. I imagine it'd help make a more mobile army too which would be fun instead of a static gunline.

>>54898447
did you guys lose infiltrate on those choppy infiltrator dudes?
aww that's kind of sad, though as imperium you can just ally in what you need right?

>>54898447
To be fair, Ad Mech shouldn't really be using their T3 dudes at the moment, and the ones we use sit at the back and snipe away at characters. And Infiltrators have deep strike.

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>>54898353
>>54898372
>>54898384
>>54898387
>>54898407
>>54898444
>>54898457

Cool, thanks guys. Almost done with the last minute painting, just finished the vindicare.

>>54898502
Definitely
Breachers being mediocre is always sad

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are Lychguard or the Triarch Praetorians any good in 8th?

>>54898427
To be fair if they go first the Repulsor is has a decent chance of getting knocked down to half health before it ever moves.

>>54898447
>no infiltrate
We literally have a unit called Infiltrators.

>>54898505
No we didn't, he's just being retarded.

>>54898502
would still result in gunline armies since would encourage sitting back and letting them come to you, also this build would become spammed even more
>Fireblade
>Strike team
>Pulse accelerator drone
>3 shots at 18" with BS3+ now
kinda bullshit desu, though flyers get a huge buff due to constantly moving up to enemies as well

>>54898271
Yes

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Trying to order Kasrkin recasts and 30k Templar bits from Z. Had asked some dude on the yoyhammer subreddit but eventually found the email on my own. Z sent replied confirming the order before sending the bill and hasn't gotten back to me in a day and a half. Got a 7 day ban from the subreddit for asking and I think they contacted Z.

Just fuck me up famalam

>>54898533
How about at 10'' and less instead of half range

Is it worth it to give a Strike Squad Justicar a halberd over falchions? Too many fucking falchions and the Halberd still has the best aesthetic out of all the weapons.

>>54898551
Sometimes it just takes him a bit to get back.

>>54898551
Have patience, sometimes these chinamen take a loooong time to get back to you.

>>54898551
>>54898551
>reddit
>ever

You deserve this

>>54898551

What part of 'obey the rules' did you not understand? Your desire to get cheap Chinese toxic knockoffs of British toys got the better of you.

>>54898551
>asking on yoyhammer
>violating very obviously placed rules
looks like you cucked yourself
also someone dumped all the recasters in a mega folder like three weeks ago in a thread which was nice.
If you want another recaster just ask alpharius, he literally just gives away his info, though idk if he has karskins

>>54898529
Hah whoops, don't actually play AdMech, just remebered the army looking slow in the index.

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>>54898105
Admech.

We have Stormtroopers but woth no mobility and shittier special weapons. They also have a 10 man cap on our units.

Our only HQ is overcosted, and lose in combat to a kitted out Captain or Cannoness.

Electropriests still die to a stiff breeze. T3 and a ++5/+++5 don't do much. They are better than before.

Our robots and Kataphrons have BS +4 for some reason.

We are officially Allies tier, unless we spam heavy support and add in Cawl.

The problem is we are so fucking slow, and so fragile. We're like Guard, but without Taurox or tanks to soak up fire.

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>>54898564
>>54898565
Oh man, hope I don't regret that 'I will do anything to prove I'm not a geedubs shill' email

>>54898574
he does not unfortunately. Wish he did, I've had nothing but positive experiences dealing with him.

>>54898559
I was thinking this actually, a combo of your suggestion expanded upon
>FSE
<Battlesuit> and <Infantry> gain additional +1 to hit when firing at 12" or less

>>54898578
I've won about half my games as AdMech. We're not even remotely bad, but several of our units are mediocre enough that builds are extremely limited atm.

>people too dumb to have a job that allows them to afford all the resin toys they want are also too dumb to figure out how to get cheaper knockoff toys

Like Chinese Ming dynasty pottery.

>>54898574

Problem with Alpharius is his catalogue is kind of limited - specifically in the superheavies department.

Since we're on the topic of chink recasts, has anyone had experience having their stuff mailed to a PO Box or even an Amazon Locker?

>>54898529
>To be fair if they go first the Repulsor is has a decent chance of getting knocked down to half health before it ever moves.

Fairly doable, you'll need a bit over 2 onagers to do 8 damage, if you're happy with 7.11 you can just make a flat 2 neutron onagers.

Neutrons are good but they're just slightly buffed twin lascannons, on average. I wouldn't expect them to work miracles.

>>54898578
I disagree with you, but we are getting new stuff in the next IA probably.

>Our only HQ is overcosted, and lose in combat to a kitted out Captain or Cannoness.
>Our robots and Kataphrons have BS +4 for some reason.
I mean, the Dominus isn't a combat HQ. It's a support HQ. He can heal, and he can reroll ones. We can always use plasma and +4BS isn't that big of a problem too. Cawl can reroll all failed shootings.

>>54898613
Keep it on topic please, it's Chinese Ming dynasty resin

>>54898563

daemon hammer.

Otherwise falchions are nearly identical to halberds against most targets, they pull ahead by like 1 unsaved wound when you switch an entire unit from halberds to falchions.

I run all halberds because that's what my metal grey knights have and I simply don't give enough of a fuck to ruin them with double swords.

>>54898613
Some of us are students, can't work and study to get all the plastic crack so recasts become a necessity

>>54898621
The dominius is fairly overcosted though, and I still don't know why Cawl only allows re-rolls in the shooting phase, should at least grant re-rolls on overwatch too.

>>54898638
I honestly find it a bit boring that every single last fucking squad in my army is armed with fucking nothing but fucking falchions based off of the list I've drawn up. Even if it is statistically weaker I think it'd be alright if I threw in a few halberds or hammers just for a bit of variety.

>>54898598
As long as you can get nice and up close

>>54898645
You say that like everyone here wasn't a student themselves at some point.

>>54898639

Overcharge is 2 damage.

20 shots.

13.33 hits

8.89 wounds

no saves because -4 AP

2 damage each, so 8.89 x 2 = 17.78

normal BS3+ overcharged plasmas will do 14.8.

>>54898661
Bots have a 5+ invlun.

>>54898645

>recasts
>necessity
>Warhammer
>necessity

Just get a box set and some extra plastics like everyone else and deal with your 2k army for a year or two until you're close to graduation.

>>54898578
Crawlers, Kastelans, Infaltrators, Cawl and our weapons in general are still great. Our infantry is not usable in big amounts anyways because of the new morale rules. A squd of snipers is still good though. I really don't see the problem with the slow mobility. In a competitive Ad Mech list your lowest range aside from pistols is probably 36 inches.

>>54898074
Son, primaris mahweens can't enter regular transports. So no rhino for you.

>>54898650
Overcosted but not useless. I run two of them with Cawl and I have a positive win ratio.

>>54898653
yolo swag it, the difference is minuscule enough that its well, well within the normal distribution you should be expecting.

Besides strikes do more damage in shooting anyway.

>>54898681

Right duh, about 11.86 damage then.

>>54898645
Literally anyone had said this to me wasn't really poor. They just spent on the money on party, booze and smoke.

>>54898645
I'm studying, paying off a home loan and buying legit.
Not getting Forgeworld, but making do.

>>54898681
+4 invuln with the right protocol. And the invuln damages back.

>>54898516
Yeah. I really like the variable weapon thing at different ranges. Shame they're also the only pulse weapon that the pulse accelerator drone doesn't affect, though that's probably BECAUSE of that.

>>54898645
Some of us are get 500 studentneetbux from the gubiment too.

>>54898685

literally every single unit in that post and the post it was replying to were grey knights you mongoloid.

>>54898696
I'm not the guy saying they're useless, I usually run 2 of them too. But they're very much overcosted for what they do. I feel like you're mostly paying for their 2+ save.

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My 1.5K Deathguard list currently, thoughts. Any sweet stuff or good mixes beyond simply typhus/necrosius pox walker blob.
Typhus
20 pox walkers
20 pox walkers
20 pox walkers
Necrosius
Hellbrute with multi melta, brute fist with combi bolter built in.
Foetid bloat drone
foetid bloat drone
Dark apostle
7 Plague marines, 2x plasma
7 plague marines 2x plasma

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>>54898645
>can't work and study
nigger what

>>54898707
And since he's overcharging some of those hellblasters probably killed themselves. That's a costly strategy to kill two models.

>>54898697
One last thing: Strikes with psilencers, yes or no?

>>54898756
Psilencer is a dumb name, so no

>>54898728
Kids these days.

>>54898734
would you prefer plasma scions

>>54898608
I'd say worse overall; I've only won about 3 games out of 10 8th games so far, and nothing seems to be working as it should. Mediocre in a edition like this means bad. We have no way to counter Moral checks besides Data tether rerolls, so if we some how survive being shot at, we can still loose some of our units.

We can't use MSU since if we want a good amount of troops, we have to spend almost 300 pnts on HQ's alone. Arc Rifles can barely do their job, Arquebuses actually do a better job, and Plasma Cal. suffer from that 18" range baddly. Not to mention how fast they can get cut down.

Also, don't forget all the random nerfs we got, like the Infiltrators loss of an attack, or the Vanguards Aura nerf.

>>54898621
>IA
We have no ETA that.

>Dominus
The problem with the Dominus isn't what he does, but what he does for his cost.

Compared to a Termi Captain, he costs more, has a crappier Melee attack, has a shitter invuln save, and only has the healing D3 and self-heal to maje up for it.

Oh, and any other HQ has the same re-roll. So hes not even that great as support. I just wish he had a 4++ as well or T5 to make up for the cost. Or at least a +2 WS like almost every other HQ in the game.

>>54898720
>studentneet

You can't be a NEET if you'er a student. You can live like one, but one of the E's in NEET is education.

>>54898701
Well to be fair all highschool students think about is being cool, not being a giant nerd playing with plastic man army.

>>54898756
if you have the spare points sure, but keep in mind with the psybolt stratagem a normal storm rapid firing bolter will do more damage than a moving psycannon or psilencer.

>>54898766
Depends on what he's studying I guess, working and finishing off my final year of uni at the same time killed me. Would not recommend to anyone.

hmmmmm
start collecting fyreslayers or shall know no fear box - same price need both can buy one

>>54898777
studentneetbux would be student neetbux, I.E student welfare money which are often called neetbux on the 4chans.

>>54898790
>fyreslayers
>hellblasters

Is it just me or is GW getting a lot worse at naming shit

>>54898776
Aura nerf? Unless there was something I missed in the errata their rad aura is effectively the same, it's their rad carbines that got nerfed.

>>54898790
do you have dark imperium already?

>>54898797
Yes, but it makes no sense, the original concept of neetbux is that it DIDN'T apply to students, which is why we are saying "student" neetbux, but that's an oxymoron.

>>54898811
What if you're getting the same welfare neetbux as if you weren't a student?

>>54898802
No but i don't need rule book and i can do without few models when price is more then 1//2 down

>>54898683
>Lowest range is 36
So your spamming Kataphrons? Because Rangers are 30, Vanguard is 18. But that still fucks us over, because we will never be able to tackle the amount of cheap shit that holds objectives with Kataphrons alone. I assume your running them with Flamer/Grav cannons, correct?

>>54898696
Well obviously not useless. We need them to even run our armies properly. But we're paying for a full unit of fully tricked out Skitarii for his cost. He should be able to do more for that cost.

>>54898781
In regards to halberds and falchions and whatnot, which is better: giving the Justicar a halberd or giving him falchions?

>>54898446
>>54898465
>>54898538

Well, time to get one then. The Ghiest itself is $58, but the SC! Box is $85. Should I just get the SC box and find a way to use the rest, or should I just get the Geist?

>>54898798
It's easier to copyright Noun-Verbers. A lot of their older names, especially for the Imperium, were just cool-sounding Latin words.

>>54898834
Ghouls are a solid base for converting up cultists/other weird shit and you could use the big guys as spawns

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>>54898776
>random nerfs
>Ahhh. people can now consider me over my brother, or my gay distant cousin.

Nope, still the shitiest and most pointless unit in 8th, shit rule, shit weapon, just a walking steaming pile of shit

>>54898856
Yeah but you're a fucking cool looking pile of shit.

Fuck, I'm watching GoT and getting steadily angrier at the 'elder race creates thing and loses control' trope.

I immediately jumped to the Slan- I mean, Old ones. Why is it every time a master race needs to deal with a problem, they A) create a fully sentient, reproductive thing to fight it off and B) leave virtually no way of dealing with it if it turns around? It's really annoying me man

>>54898800
my apologies, I meant the Infiltrators Aura. Its rather pointless, although as far as I can tell, it is stackable.

>>54898850

I actually already have Ghoul-Spawns because they're covered in spikes and shit. More couldn't hurt. The question really becomes do I NEED it?

>>54898824
What? Kataphrons are awful. I'm talking more about Kastelans and Onagers. Arquebuses have a range of 60 inches. No real reason to use much of infantry, aside from plasma and arquebuses, because of the morale rules.

Where did you get that I'm running Kataphrons?

>>54898798
At least it's clear what you're taking about. As opposed to Intercessors/Inceptors/Interceptor

>>54898833

against MEQ

halberd justicar does .59 wounds

falchion justicar does .67 wounds

seriously its a .08 wound difference, whichever you like more

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>>54898867
The "master race" Old ones could have picked C and just not been assholes.

>>54898856
Why even bother with Rust Stalkers? I mean, they really only boast W2 and M7 over the Fulgurites, but lack the sheer amount of mortal wounds they can do, and the Fulgurites 3++

>>54898880
I'm pretty sure different units with the same debuff rules don't stack unless explicitly stated. It would be nice if it was a -1 to hit or something though.

>>54898890
Destroyers are ok, just expensive as fuck.

>>54897653
I'd like to see a mix of these guys and the Forgeworld berserker torsos.

>>54898907
Well, yeah. They're ok. Grav just isn't what it used to be.

>>54898904
read the post before reply.

> shitiest and most pointless unit in 8th

>>54898895
>As opposed to Intercessors/Inceptors/Interceptor

the only confusion I've ever seen regarding these 3 are dudes who dont realize theres no "ter" in "inceptor".

I have no idea how someone mixes intercessor with anything else.

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So a question for Chaos players who play both CSM and Daemons, and ran them in the same army while waiting for the CSM codex, if a Daemonkin Codex was to be released, what would you want to see in it?
>Warlord trait to grant non-Daemon HQ the Daemon keyword and Daemonic special rule
>relic daemon weapons everywhere
>stratagems for summoning
>psychic power that temporarily grants targeted unit Daemon keyword and Daemonic special rule
>special Daemonkin trait that states "any Daemon unit aligned to a Mark of Chaos that does not already have the associated ability of that alignment for daemons gains said special ability, ie Slaanesh Daemons get Quicksilver Swiftness"
>Chaos Lord, Sorcerer, and Exalted Champion on Daemonic Mount datasheets

>>54898856
>Phil Kelly and Robin Cruddace, two men iconic for favoring armies and blatantly tipping balance to favor/hurt armies based on personal preference
>Kelly has universally depicted Admech as villains in everything he's done, and cruddace stated once or twice that despite being a diehard guardfag he has no particular love for the Mechanicus
>Admech codexes were heartfully designed in 7th and would port brilliantly to 8th with minimal effort
>but cruddace and Kelly were in charge of porting things over from 7th....
Gee, I wonder who was behind this


I just hope whenever we get a Codex the old people do it. I don't want to be bad for good

>>54898938
>Daemonkin
wtf does this mean, they're just Daemons

>>54898890
Because unless your getting at the fact that competative Admech is a Spearhead with a few units of Snipers or Infiltrators(Which I agree on), Galvanic Rifles are still 30". I assumed Kataphrons because Plasma is 36".

It just pisses me off that our only really viable units can be widdled down to a handfull.

>>54898953
Daemonkin is the term for using CSM and Daemons in the same army.

>>54898938
Blood Tithe points for Khorne and I guess something similar for other mono-god daemonkin lists, and being able to take cult troops in a mono-god list the way CSM can take lesser daemons.

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>>54897570
Mine are loyalist but the chaos warriors are pretty good for it. Definitely need green stuff or your preferred alternative as the chaos warrior models don't have butts.

>>54898353
Oh hey, I know that store. First time I've seen someone on /tg/ from my area.

>>54898945
No one likes admech lel
BL included, you fucks screwed things up for everyone in the recent Shroud of Night

>>54898953
It means they were born humans but they're actually daemons trapped in a human body
>on all levels except physical i am a bloodthirster

>>54898965
I don't see Blood Tithe getting ported as anything but a Stratagem.
And CSM can take lesser daemons as troops, but you lose Legion traits and access to a shit load of things if you do.

>>54898938
Warpstorm tables for good fun that screws over both players.

>>54898062
Huh, looks like competetive Orks are in a good spot balance wise with equal losses and wins. As an Ork player I wish there were more wins but I can accept 50/50.

>>54898981
Admech IS meant for bully. We're the OG npc faction, forgotten and disliked, never focused on. We have a good bit in 30k, I just want decent rules in 40k

>>54898985
>*murders*

>>54899022

you could spam kastelans and not be able to get a game anymore.

>>54898945
>Admech codexes were heartfully designed in 7th

so given formations that were broken like the other lovely 7th codices?

>>54898985

more like a bloodgrot

>>54899036
AdMech had literally one formation that was broken, though Holy Requisitioner got kinda silly once you could bring Cawl in it.

Other than that we had a lot of unique rules and equipment while also managing to be mid-tier and fairly balanced outside of the WarConvo and Grav-kataphron spam.

I regularly ran a pure Skitarii army and always did reasonably well while also having fun with it.

>>54898074
Doing that actually gives me spare points to fit the Razorbacks with lascannons for much needed anti-tank. Sweet.

>>54898985
kek when I was kid we called those metalheads

>>54898816
ILLEGAL NEETBUX

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>>54899033
Did I just stroke out and go back in time to some Gaia online shit?

So are Wrathknights safe to use casually now? I think they're cool and want to do a Wrathstuff centric army and, funnily enough, even though they're quite expensive getting one seems like an easy way to fill points. I don't own any other Eldar stuff as an aside.

>>54899004
I think that'd be a Daemon thing, but Daemonkin getting it too would be cool.
Unfortunately after seeing Chaos Boon table became a stratagem I worry the same thing will happen to the Warpstorm table.

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your opponent brings 18 dakka kastelans and a dominus to your 2k game.

he shoots 216 BS4+, S6, AP-2 shots every turn and will kill 48 marines per shooting phase unless you stop him somehow.

What do you do?

>>54899102
wraithknights are almost identical to imperial knights now, meaning they're basically equivalent to two decent tanks strapped together with some melee ability.

They're not cheesy at all anymore t b h.

>>54899133
Tie them up in melee lol

>>54899151

the front robots fall back and the robots in the back shoot your melee units along with everything else.

>>54899102
They are fine now, and generally considered underpowered for their points.
Feel free to bring them.

>>54899133
First turn charges

gg no re

>>54899164
>not tying all of them up in melee in the same turn
Do you really think I'm that stupid?

>>54899133

I stop him.

>>54899133
Bring nothing but terminators in land raiders

>>54899171

They're on 60mm bases and can be boxed in appropriately to keep the second and further lines from being tied up.

>>54899168
They kill 16 genestealers in overwatch, per overwatch.

Next scrub in line, please.

>>54899181
flipping the table is considered to be conceding, you lose.

>>54898720
where the hell do you live
>>54898728
I am not sure but I don't know if studying in a foreign country would let you work, but then if you are studying in a foreign country you aren't going to be actually poor


what is a good source of high strength/damage shooting as IG? I'm new and I keep thinking that stuff like battle cannons are unreliable because of having to roll for the number of shots and lascannons have to use guard BS

>>54899196
they kill 1 land raider per turn and will easily pop them before they make it to melee.

Next.

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>>54899133
>2k
I put down 6 renegade knights, if he's doing MSU I get +1 on the roll off to go first.

>>54899197
Unless he's bringing 9 units of 2 bots each I highly doubt he can prevent me from charging him.

>>54899102
depends if people around are traumatized

>>54899124
Ah yeah, wasn't thinking straight there. You're right.
I'm really, really hoping that it is a non-stratagem if it gets implemented with daemons though, although it might just simply be spend X cp for some boring little buff or something.

>>54899202

>what is a good source of high strength/damage shooting as IG? I'm new and I keep thinking that stuff like battle cannons are unreliable because of having to roll for the number of shots and lascannons have to use guard BS

Stick your lascannon teams in veteran squads or command squads, get that sweet BS3+ and some meatshields.

You have 6 fucking elite slots so don't give me that crap about vets being elites now.

Either that or deep striking scions with meltas work great.

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>>54898551
>>54898579

Just...

Be patient, he usually takes a day or three between stuff. He also takes ages to confirm shipping and tracking. Shipping can take up to a month, usually takes him a couple of weeks to cast stuff and send it out from ordering. This isn't a game for impatient people.

Never heard of Z blacklisting anyone for asking for contact info on yoyhammer, I don't think Z even browses reddit.

He will blacklist you for being a retard and blowing up his inbox. Also if hes wasting time answering your stupid emails that slows my orders down.

But you should know all this if you did any homework or read the FAQ....

>>54899229
I don't want to be right, but I predict it'll be something along the lines of;
Warpstorm 1CP
"At the start of your movement phase, you may use this stratagem, if you do, roll 2d6 and consult the table"
followed by a table of options from 2 to 12

>>54899197
>flipping the table is considered to be conceding, you lose.
>implying you can't stop him any other way
>gunbot fags are literally this stupid

If you ever see a fistbot player, wink at him, because you both know who the real retards are.

>>54899133
I put down a 1k points of basilisks and russes, and put the rest in 3 Tempestus Primes, 3 all-Meltagun Command Squads, and the rest into Melta gun Stormtroopers.

GG no re.

>>54899133
How are the kastellans broken up into units

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>>54897817
Iron Warriors. Anything with maneuverability. If you just stare down my gun line and let me drop Terminators willy nilly then I'm going to crush you between a hammer and an anvil. If you can jump away from my guns and terminators then I have to spend precious time moving about trying to kill you, which will probably cost me the game.

>>54898956

As if you wouldn't run AdM in a brigade with Cawl, a tpd for support and screening vang + sniper rangers. You then fill out the rest with robots and onagers and shit.

AdM is good, if you're playing smort.

Any new Death Guard leaks?

>>54899212
A lot of people in the local 40k community know me as an Ork player that started in 7e (ya I know) so they would know I'm not a hardcore WAAC guy. Plus I've only seen like 2 people that get actively angry about game balance.

>>54898524
No to both

Praetorians got a slight buff with the voidblade changes but anything they can do flayed ones can do better.

>>54899280
Minimum 2 in a squad maximum 6 in a squad.

>>54899217
>>54899212
>>54899299
How the hell did I fuck that up...

>>54899133

Spam baneblades and basilisk

>>54899316
Details. What are the break downs for the specific squads in your hypothetical

>>54899278
You kill 3 robots and your stormtroopers are deleted next turn