Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

Is it worth it to take a Paladin squad and attach an Apothecary to them and then another Paladin squad with a banner boy? Or is it better to put both Apothecary and Banner into one squad and then take a second squad and give them heavy weapons?

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first for getting NecrOwned in 8th edition.

I need help, what colour should I paint my Dark Eldar? I'm a pretty shitty painter, so ideally something I can do via drybrushing, and on a fairly large scale for vehicles.

Fuck Guard players. If you take 70 conscripts you are the new fucking Eldar WAACfaggots.

What the fuck can Dark Eldar do to kill those fucking things before getting my army removed by flamers and artillery turn 2.

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What's their Action Movies Name again?

>>54886483
Focus on the artillery and flamers first and sanicspeed your way around the conscripts.

>>54886483
My 2000 point guard army has 52 + 18 HWT and no conscripts, this infantry clocks to 540 points, how'd I do

Celestine
6 Penitent Engines
In a 4'x4' board

How fucked are chaos fags?

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A while back I posted CHAD THUNDERCOG the techno barbarian/Magos/Primaris Techmarine with swole arms for lifting and a tiny head for not thinking.

Well, he's painted now. I'm working on a scenic base for him where he's standing on a pile of wreckage, so he's closer in silhouette to the stock Dominus.

>>54886490
>War Deddogs

>>54886483
>being so bad that you can't kill 100 conscripts
Git gud

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>>54886446
Any idea when the deathguard codex and the new models will be released? Wondering if i should wait for them and see what they get & maybe start a deathguard army or just go with emperor's children and full on custom noise marines.

>>54886498
That's the point though. You can't. They fill up the entire board with bubble wrap. It's annoying as shit as you can't even fly past them because you can't land. Then you are just left in a shooting match against Guard arty with shitloads of objective secured bodies you can't efficiently kill.

Fuck.

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>>54886483
There is literally nothing you can do against these lists. That's why they are top tier right now. If you know the person is going to use a conscript list, just don't turn up to the game. Let them stand there like a moron.

>>54886504
What's the rest of it?

>>54886522
This is why i bring lord of skulls with gorestorm cannon, the ability to fire his weapons in melee and dish out 12 attacks is sexy. No guard blob has killed him yet.

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>>54886514
Also in my army meet Servitor YRH-2B, she's a dedicated combat model with a serious back end. I used Raging Heroes bits to make sure she's very cute.

>>54886490
>John Thicc

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Rolling for Legion Theme for next army.

1. Black Legion
2. Thousand Sons
3. Death Guard
4. Alpha Legion
5. Iron Warriors
6. Word Bearers
7. Night Lords
8. World Eaters
9. Emperor's Children
0. Renegade Chapter

>>54886465
I've heard that the Crons got balanced this edition, so they're not winning as easily as before.

Are they truly balanced, or have the fallen into the crevice of being balanced against unbalanced armies and now see no chance of competitive play/winning?

>>54886483
I have a 1000pt tourney coming up, I'm thinking:
2x Company Commander
2x Commissar
2x 30 Conscripts
1x Harker
3x 2 Basilisks

>>54886474
Kabalites are actually pretty drybrush friendly; basecoat black, then one or two drybrush coats of lighter shades (say dark blue then light blue or whatever) and wash to tie it all together gets you pretty decent tabletop quality results.

Vehicles are a bit more of a pain; Venoms and Talos's, anything with smaller more curved plates is easy to do the same way but I've found my Raiders a little trickier to do, flat panels are a pain to get even that way.

>>54886421
That's a bit of a bummer. I was hoping to use some Nurgle stratagems or warlord traits.

>>54886555
You have one two many Company Commanders and Commissars.
Change one to a priest and the other to 10 more conscripts.

>>54886514
actually pretty cool looking

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Needs more artillery...

>>54886534
3 vultures, 2 vendettas, 3 tarantulas and still trying to figure out last 69 points
also
>I don't have access to conscripts
explains alot right?

>>54886490
Forest Crump

>>54886456
To that end? No, heavy weapons are generally not worth it, seeing as for 2-3 you're already at the cost of another paladin, which will do far more. If worst comes to worst take scions, gunships, or some shooty dreads, cause GK heavy-weapons aren't worth shit aside from stormbolters and psilencers plus the strat.

They are worth taking two squads for maximizing damage in melee, so an apothecary and B A N N E R B O I are good to that end.

>>54886483
Yeah, they aren't good or anything, it's just so damn cheap and you have to kill every. single. one. that by turn 3 you've wasted loads of shooting gunning down 50-100 conscripts, only to see you've barely even killed 300 pts. of their list.

That being said knifing the tanks early on and Kringle the remaining blobs as you kill the rest does well in most things, GK stormbolters+gate of infinity does well

>>54886574
>3 Vultures

You passed until that.

>>54886567
Are you sure?
Redundancy seems like a good idea in these kind of lists...

>>54886508
>How fucked are chaos fags?

Magnus will plow straight through that.

>>54886551
>Not automatically choosing chaos angry marines

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>>54886551

>>54886456
>attaching characters
>in 8e
What the fuck are you talking about.

Just run both units and stick the characters between them so their auras affect both.

>>54886585
Those units shouldn't die from normal shooting or melee ever unless you fuck up.
If they bring enough snipers to kill 1, they will be able to remove both commissars no problem anyway. Unless you hide them out of line of sight, but then numbers aren't helping you anyway.

Hey, does the javelin Speeder have 2 missile launchers or one? The profile says both, it hasn't been FAQ'd, and the model/HH rules would suggest two, but that seems like a lot of stuff.

Which one is correct? I'm looking to make mobile firebases and this looks like the shit, or an autocannon/plasma deredeo and maybe a Mortis with las/autocannons and missile launcher

>>54886519
September I think m8

>>54886483
Nothing, wait for them to get nerfed (it won't be much longer, playtesters already confirmed it's coming) and for the WAACfags who bought hundreds of conscripts and paid someone to paint all of them to cry about it.

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>>54886608
Oh here's the profile if you're wondering

>>54886571
If you want to make your own you will need:

1 Box Kataphrons
1 Start Collecting Skitarii
1 Primaris Chaplain.

Method:

Remove the shoulder from the Chaplain torso, and use Greenstuff to clean it up. Stick a Hydraulic Claw on there.

Then rotate the upper arm on a Breacher Claw and stick it to the other shoulder of the Chaplain torso. Use the mudguards from the Breacher as pauldrons and add servo arms to taste.

Greenstuff up a chunkier neck for a Skitarii head and powerslam that shit into the bit where the Marine's head goes. Make a backpack out of a Breacher chestplate and the radio off a Dunecrawler. And that's it. Add more pipes and servo skulls if you like.

I can't wait to test him out in battle.

>>54886584
>3 vultures
Really? It's fluffy so idk why it's cheese?

>>54886552
They got balanced like Orcs and Tyranids got balanced in 7th. They are bottom teir right now. It's completely hilarious... Unless of course, you are one of the very few remaining Necron players.

>>54886551
>Black Legion is not a generic Chaos Marine.
>Alpha Legion is not a loyalist Tac Marine with Alpha Legion colours and some chaos bits.
>Iron Warriors is not the dark techpriest mini
>The Word Bearer is not the amazing Dark Apostle mini.
>Night Lords is not a Raptor or a Warp Talon.
Shit image, tbqhwymf

>>54886601
I was tempted to, but the only reason I like them is cause of Kharn, and I don't think an army consisting of only Kharn would be too amazing.

It would be pretty cool though.

>>54886490
2 Thicc 3 Furious

>>54886616
There's nothing confusing about that. Use the numbers on the weapon.

>>54886635
I mean they'd get the job done, but I agree, they're a bit silly.

>>54886639
Yes there is, the profile says both 'typhoon missile launcher' and 'twin typhoon launcher'. And though in past edition it was twin-linked (meaning 2 guns now), it seems like the 1 is more in line with standard stuff. I'm surprised they haven't FAQ'd this

Any list building tips for Khorne daemons nowadays? I own a fair amount, but most notably 40 flesh hounds.

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>>54886631
>The Night Lord has no wings or decapitated heads on his armour

This triggers the winglets.

>>54886655
A twin weapon doesn't ever mean two weapons, it means twice the shots.

Since the typhoon launcher statline there doesn't have 4 shots, the "twin" part is obviously a mistake.

So matched play rules: 50% of units must start on table correct?
If a unit is embarked in a transport the transport is deep striking what is the embarked unit counted as? Is it in reserves (it's not dep striking) or is it deployed (it's not on the table)?

>>54886669
Alright then, fair enough. With that cleared up, what do you think is the best mobile firebase in the marine index? Mortis, deredeo, and scorpius all look really promising, anyone have experience with those?

>>54886616
>>54886639

That extra twin is confusing, does the points add up for a twin or just a single launcher?

>>54886551
that model for the black legion, is that a new mold?

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>>54886626
>Playing vs Guard
>Have 15 Kabalite warriors in cover in my deployment
>Vulture goes into hover mode and kills 11
>The rest die in morale phase
>mfw the vulture makes it's points back in one turn
>there could have been 2 more.

Alright lads, I've gotten together some dosh and I want to start playing this shit. So far I've been thinking of getting into ad mech, two questions. Are they a well rounded noob friendly army? What colours can I paint them in that wont rape their fluff?

>>54886577
How should I divide the deployment of the squads and the characters? Should I deploy one character with each squad or should I have both tag along with one squad and the other be pure falchion spam?

>>54886693
See >>54886669

If there's no points cost listed for a weapon called a "Twin Typhoon Launcher" then it doesn't exist and the "twin" is a mistake. You have a single Typhoon Launcher and you pay for it once and it gets 2 shots.

>>54886697
Hmmm I guess it is cheese, though this list has barely changed since 7th, the only addition being HWT since I never owned any before but other shit was more expensive it works out.
Also how is it my fault a fluffy list is also cheese?

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>>54886548
>YRH-2B

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>>54886694
One of the Dark Vengeance Chosen models painted up as a Black Legion marine, so not so new.

>>54886706
My usual setup is 2 squads of 4, one with voldus+apothecary in a Stormraven and the other with draigo teleporting in. Now, you can easily drop voldus for a fifth man since once they're together draigo helps everyone, but you do want them fairly close. Which shouldn't be a problem, as most armies deploy clustered and can be tangled in with a proper alphastrike.

>>54886483
Use the flyers with those missiles. I remember that working well in 5th edition.

>>54886714
Its not your fault but choosing to play a cheese list when you know its cheesy and then using the excuse of muh fluff to defend your knowingly cheesed list makes you somewhat of a fag

>>54886721
>white haired female servitor with junk in the trunk

only one possible name anon

>>54886483
I'm using 100-136 conscripts and many games are ending up pretty close.
Why?
I'm not trying to go first. I don't seize, I let my enemies come to me.
If you don't have a reasonable amount of anti-infantry in your list, you are the problem Get good son

>>54886746
>cheese list
Implying I have any other choice
I effectively have no codex choices aside from flyers and infantry, it's either 8 Valkyries every game (just as cheese) or 3 vultures and 2 vendettas instead, no in between otherwise my entire army is t3 with 3 t5 models with w3

>>54886755
01000011 01101100 01101001 01101110 01110100 01101111 01101110?

>>54886679
any help tg?
If guardsmen squad is in a Valkyrie that is deep striking, is it in reserves for the purposes of 50% models deployed rule?

>>54886770
>guard
>no choices

tanks, artillery, sentinels, ogryns

>>54886742
Voidraven Bomber, except shatterfield missiles are now assault d6 s7 ap-1 reroll wounds

2 dead conscripts a turn for 194 points, 4 if you shoot its lance weapons at them.

>>54886780
>guard
>elysians
You see why I'm claiming fluffy list? Literally cannot get fluffier than infantry and flyer spam

>>54886770
Guard fag complains he has no choice but to cheese. Run whatever you like bro, its your perogative if you wish to run cheesy waac lists

>>54886783
If you infantry are all Elysians and not Chinacast I'll allow it.

>>54886792
See below
>>54886783

>>54886679
When you deploy transports, you deploy whatever is riding inside them at the same time.

If you have 5 Sternguard deployed in a drop pod, they would be deployed in the transport in deep strike.

So when do we recken the new DG book is comeing?

>>54886794
I recast myself, I've recasted 2 vultures from original and recasted infantry/vendettas as well

Are nurglings any good?

>>54886679
For the 50% rule both count as being off the table.

>>54886808
Thanks for clarification, was confused since the whole 50% thing is stupid

>>54886792
Please, half these people played Tau and Eldar last edition. GW just baited them to clear their Cadian uglynfantry stockpiles.

>>54886824
replying to a refuted claim
>don't forget your meds anon

>>54886783
Drop Sentinels
Tauros

>>54886614
Eh, no skin of my back. I fiekded conscripts back in 7th, and i'll field them in 8th even if they arent good.

>>54886739
One last question, is it worth it at all to take any weapons other than Falchions on Paladins? All my Strike Squads and Interceptors are already taking Falchions and I find it a bit excessive...

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>>54886824
If a Guard players army is fully painted he is an Oldguard and thus not a faggot.
Attack grey horde players at your leisure for being flavour of the month dickheads.

>>54886824
This seems rather baseless.

>>54886836
Drop sentinel
Unusable (riptide tier)
Tauros (both)
Were absolute trash in 7th, picking up a venator for 8th so I can recast more

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>>54886551
Why are the Word Bearers so bright red

>>54886842
But RGG and GGA are fully painted. /Tg/ told me theyre huge faggots.

>>54886842
>what is commission?
I'd say having a non casual/catachan gw regiment is a better and more reliable standard

>>54886859
protip if you give a shit about a "fluffy army" you'd take suboptimal units anyway, especially if other elements of the army are top end stuff.

Alpha Legion.

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I remember an argument in past about FFG having art of a female Vostroyan IG and giving the option of playing as a female Vostroyan Firstborn.

While looking over my old WDs, I found this. It says Firstborn sons are sent to be IGs. Did GW retcon this to be just firstborn or did FFG screw up?

>>54886490
Commandough

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>>54886551
>They didn't even bother with the Iron Warriors conversion kit

If you summon daemons as csm they don't count as part of your deployment do they?

>>54886721
I don't get it

>>54886902
Firstborn sons are voluntold to join the vostroyans. Anyone else can volunteer. Does that work?

>>54886902
>or did FFG screw up?
FFG screwed up.

>>54886879
I play d-99
Canonically they have no drop sentinels, no tauroses and only 3 tarantulas left while being just around 100 men total, been playing d-99 since their release (they are average on original release) and I played them since gland warriors>space marines and I went fluffy with them since they make use of squads that only use special weapons, something I followed through with. Therefore i have a completely fluffy d-99 army, including other units would break fluff which is bad isn't it?

>>54886859
Is this faggot serious? I would hate to play some retard like you that has to take the most optimized units while masquerading it as being fluffy.

>>54886551
>Black Legion scaled way up.
Lol

>>54886838
Falchions are all you need famalam. MAYBE a hammer on the paragon if you'll face lots of heavy stuff, but plan on always taking +1A over anything else. The math is just too strong

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Test model for iron warriors in progress. Did two layers of Nuln Oil, followed by a layer of agrax, then finally a wash of Naggaroth Night, with dry brush Necron Compound.

>>54886936
See
>>54886924
Nothing masqueraded, not my fault my fluffy d-99 list is now tippity toppity tier, I mean what more could you ask for. Fluff and crunch lining up together is list perfection

>>54886948
Your still a faggot

>>54886728
Are they ever going to re-release those and the exclusive cultist models from DV?

Any idea what's coming after Death Guard? I've seen people talking about leaks

>>54886954
>gets btfo
Y-your still a faggot b-baka

>>54886446
I haven't yet afforded to get into this shit. Should I? I keep hearing a lot of trash talk on GeeDubs and it seems as if only greybeards and richfags even consider it. I think I'd find it fun, but I can't quite estimate a value for this investment.

What's the standart DEldar list now? I thing about getting a S.C. box

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>tfw your only hq is stuck footslogging

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Anyone know if the FW imperial armor rulebooks will be replaced as the codexes are released? asking because I'm about to make a big one-time purchase of forge world models and it would be comforting to know they arent going to be paperweights a month from now

>>54886958
Thousand sons, was a fb screencap about tzeentch paykers somewhere
>>54886978
Can't even deep strike him? Can he shoot well?

>>54886978
What's his name?

>>54886988
Fires of cyraxus never since fw sucks ass at time management.
Also this sounds like waacfaggotry to me, either buy the models and deal with balance or don't buy it and leave. Alternatively just chinacast and be done, you saved money and got the model

>>54886988
Don't buy FW for centerpiece stuff. Aside from stuff like a Dreadnought, tank variant, etc., they're too rickety to trust. What's a godsend autowin one day is a 300£ paperweight then next.

But GW stuff and use FW for conversions and customizing, outside of that it's always thin ice

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>>54886966
The fact that's it's fluffy doesn't make it not Waac all of a sudden

The two aren't mutually exclusive, so yeah your a fag

>>54886902
FFG fucked up for the sake of divershitty.

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>>54886837
Me too. I have my one blob for thematic reasons and I run it almost every game. Still I've been tempted many times to stop running infantry squads as they rarely do much, so I can run a second Conscript blob. I probably should just run more Bullgryn as they are fun every game. I hope they don't get nerfed at all.

>>54887009
>I should run unfluffy lists since fluff is op
Sounds shit

>>54886978

>tfw your only HQ gets a transport all to himself

Archon gets a comfy as fuck Venom.

>>54886989
Got a blaster and a 2+ BS, but he's still open to getting shot up

>>54886948
I'm not
>>54886954
If your list is fluffy and complete faggotry for everyone you play and you're fine with that good for you.
Your attitude and list does make you seem like a huge faggot. People like you are the reason Guard are seen as the new waacfags.

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What are the best anti infantry units for Tau? A Squad of Suits with Burst Cannons? A Ghostkeel?

>>54886974
I run this right now:

-Archon 54
>phantasm grenade launcher 3
>agoniser 4
>blaster 15
(76)

-Venom 65
>2 splinter cannons 30
(95)

-5 Kabalite trueborn 55
>4 blasters 60
>phantasm grenade launcher 3
>blast pistol 10
(128)

-Raider 95
>dark lance 20
>shock prow 1
(116)

-10 Kabalite warriors 70
>phantasm grenade launcher 3
>splinter cannon 15
>blaster 15
(103)

-3 Reavers (+1T) 90
>agoniser 4
>blaster 15
>grav talon 5
(114)

-Ravager 95
>3 dark lances 60
>shock prow 1
(156)

-8 scourges 112


TOTAL: 900

>>54887018
Gets btfo
>b-but all f-fluff is op!
Kys fampi

>>54887035
Firewarriors. With Fireblade and pulse drone.

4 s5 shots each.

>alpha legion are just clones of raven guard

Why is gw so lazy?

>>54886942
Are purgation squads actually good or am I falling for a meme if I take them?

>>54886974
Don't think theres a standard as theres quite a few potentially decent ways to build them. The SC box is certainly a good way to start, Raiders, Reavers and Kabalites all pull their weight.

>>54887041
You're an insufferable faggot. You didn't even bring up your fluff until you were getting BTFO. Why are all guard players so god damn annoying?

>>54887022
Might get another venom for the archon, but then she/he (not sure yet) is all alone unless I remove some scourges or reavers for sslyth

Guys Mars is home to a Titan Legion, is it WAAC to field Cawl and a maniple of Warlord Titans as my <Mars> Admech list?

It's a fluff list.

>>54887035
Why, Vespid Stingwings of course!

>>54887066
Uh I'm btfo'ing the same guy
Focus the hate on the dickwad 99 player pls

>>54887073
dies to brimstones, so not waac.

>>54887073
If you buy and paint a maniple of Warlord Titans, I'd play you anon.

>>54887035
Xv9 with double burst cannons
Xv25 with burst cannon and ATS
Tigershark fighter bomber with heavy burst cannons and skyspear missile racks
Gun drones
Piranhas
Flamed crisis teams
>>54887044
Stop this meme, it'll get faqd to 3 shots at half range, don't be a cheesy waacfag

>>54887039
>>54887052
>>54887039
Great, thank you. Are cults/covens any good?

Rate my fluff-focused <Kaurava> IG list

20x Superheavy Detachment
- 5x Baneblade

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>>54887068
>but then she/he (not sure yet) is all alone unless I remove some scourges or reavers for sslyth
They're generally worth it
>>54887039
If thats your list, then yeah get another venom for the archon and probably drop some scourges and/or reavers for Sslyth; I actually love Painbringer reavers but you really want at least 6 to make them really hard to shift, 3 don't get much done for their cost.

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>>54887041
>puts words in my mouth
Not and argument
>>54887075
>dickwad 99
>Is jealous of my superior guard army which combines fluff and crunch into a powerful list that works well
Like pottery

>>54887100
it's only fluffy if you forget them at home

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>>54887100
Baneblades? What Baneblades were on Kaurava?
Unfluffy/10, would not play.

>>54887098
Yep, they're pretty decent. You could certainly run a pure(ish) list of Cults, Covens or Kabals if you were so inclined, though Cults and Covens could really benefit from some anti tank support; in the latter case Scourges are reasonably fluffy and if you want to put some extra effort in you can convert Wracks as gunners on a Ravager (or Raider for that matter)

>>54886956
They already did the cultists a while ago.
The chosen probably aren't planned to be currently. But we may see the sculpts re used in a couple years if GW want another chaos release.

>decide to actually sit down and watch a batrep
>go to mwg
>guest brings beautiful custom fluffy deathguard list with an amazing looking converted renegade knight
>dave brings tailored "Blood Angels" scum list with 20 lascannons/multimeltas spam and vanilla sm index units.
>chaos decimator and renegade knight both dead turn 1, games decided in 10 minutes

Whats the mentality behind purposefully ruining something you want people to pay for as entertainment?

>>54887100
only fluffy if you only start with unarmed rhinos and assemble the baneblade kit during the game

Debating getting a second imperial army to team up with my imperial guard. Who should I go for /tg?

>>54887126
>He's cheetahposting now.
Could this guard player get any fucking gayer?

>>54887162
Huh, and here I was, having heard Dave brings lists that are outright retarded most of the time, and Matt is the powergamer.

>>54886490
Dumb and Dumber

>>54887126
Ah, he has put up the sign of defeat, the laughing cheetah. By ancient /tg/ custom, he loses the argument.

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>>54887178
Still not an argument
I guess d-99 really is just the best army there is right now
It's getting late down under, seems the autists are waking up somewhere else

>>54887159
But the cultists don't come with the champions

>>54886811
what plastic/resin do you use in your recasts?

>>54887173
Grey Knights and Inquisition. Then after each battle, purge your guardsmen with holy promethium and buy and paint them anew.

>>54886972
40ks cost is really how much you want it to be.
Some people drop $500 all at once on an army but you don't need to.

You can start small and build slowly, get one of the startersets to try things out. If you like it, from there its quite feasible to only invest like $40 a month into it, just get a squad or something at a time and work on finishing it before you buy the next. Its value ultimately depends on how much you enjoy building and painting minis, you'll spend a big chunk of time doing that.

>>54886446
>>Konor Campaign: Chaos keeps losing and even GW begging can't help it

I'm cumming

Thoughts on Lychguard/Triarch Praetorians?

>>54887162
>Dave
Can't watch his shit, can barely watch a lot of MWG honestly.
But between his retardation and eating on camera anything he appears in goes in the trash

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>>54887178
>So assblasted by guard players their rage charges laspacks
Just netlist already, you're terrible at this

>>54887117
I can remove the reavers for a couple sslyth. Maybe replace the scourges with mandrakes

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>>54887202
>ancient custom
I mean if I was missing pair of chromosomes I too might think something retarded as well, though you have still not provided an argument to refute me.

>>54886590
>implying magnus won't die turn one as usual
My local chaosfag are boardline retarded, so I can enjoy playing stupid list.

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>>54887244
Fucking kek anon

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>Reminder that, except the double lightning claws guy, none of these models are legal

wtf is the point of konor when they're only releasing fething imperial units during it?

>>54886972
You can get models second hand
You can find them cheapo online
You can choose an army that isn't crazy expensive to play

The initial investment is about the same as buying a game console. After that it's smooth sailing and you'll probably get more use out of it. Helps to have a good local community of players.

>>54887209
You never responded to my post a bit ago. So I just wanted to call you a faggot for being completely unoriginal. You got so btfo that you have to resort to shitposting to make yourself feel better.

Please kill yourself my dudes.

>>54887162
Knight actually survived on two wounds and went on to win the game.

>>54887209
Tasmanian fag detected

>>54887274
>spase maren with bolt gune
>not legal

>>54886972
The initial cost might be pretty high, because you might not have paints, brushes and tools. But after that, unless you're only buying on impulse and don't care about your money. The start collecting boxes are 65€/85$/50 Pounds and one or two of them are usually enough to build a decent force. And if you buy in the LGS, you might get a discount. Mine has -20% on almost everything 40k, so it's not that bad.
Also, ebay is a thing, you could buy poorly painted armies, strip them off their paint and do it proper.
Unless you live in 'straya, it's not that expensive.

>>54887248
I haven't used them yet but I hear nothing but good things about Mandrakes, they certainly look good on paper though.

I used Shardcarbine Scourges, but they underperformed; likely because they keep having to fight Marines, but thats a pretty common state of affairs everywhere

>>54887274
So GW fuck up codex again by randomly leaving models out?

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Some Sons of Malice lore for those interested

>>54887307
>Boltgun, Bolt Pistol and CCW.

No, they are not legal. Not even a Chaos Lord can have that equip in the new Codex.

>>54887117
The 3 reavers are more of a distraction. The T5 and 6W. Just lock someone in combat.

>>54887301
>Tasmanian
You wish
>>54887283
Which post?

>>54886446
>been a chaoscuck all my life
>all that sweet Primaris shit is making my head turn
>already bought a Dark Imperium box and painted the Primaris of that one as Ultramarines
>realized that smurfs are kind of gay and want to have something cooler

How common are White Scars and Raven Guard players? I can't say that I have met any number of note.
But I'd like to get into one of these chapters.

>>54887257
Ban evading i see

>>54887351
What I'm getting from this is that the Sons of Malice did nothing wrong.

>>54887380
Never seen white scars as anything other than bikes
Don't recall ever seeing RG

>>54887380
White Scars were the broken marines of choice last edition, Raven Guard are the broken marines of choice this edition.

So pretty common.

>>54887294
Surprising, I saw it at 1 wound left or whatever and turned it off.

>>54887367
I've found 3 of them just don't last long enough even in that capacity. as one decent turn of shooting and/melee can remove them. 6 seems to be the magic number, but 9 is even better; also fun for the simple fact that you can pretty much put 3 blasters wherever the hell you want thanks the FLY keyword. If only the Arena Champ could take a Blast Pistol too.

>>54887380
Mantis Warriors/Red Scorpions (Scars) or Raptors (RG) my friend

>>54887380
Nobody plays Raven Guard or White Scars. People only play OC Doughnutsteel chapters and use the rules that are the latest flavour of the month meta pick.

>>54886988
Codexes wont replace anything in the FW Indexes unless GW starts producing a formerly FW only model a la the Valkyrie. In which case you could use the Codex datasheet. You don't have to worry about that.

>>54887386
Ban evading what
You haven't provided a single argument, all you've done is call me a faggot since you're so assblasted

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>>54887351
>Chapter named Sons of Malice
>fall to Chaos
Kinda makes you wonder what the intent was behind naming them like this.

>>54887403
It had two wounds, and it managed to charge and lock Land Rider. Dave decided not to Fall Back and tried to Smite Knight down. One Smite failed and the other got denied. He then charged both his psykers into the Knight, they did nothing and then Knight literally stomped both into the ground. That was Warlord kill as well.

I've got Inquisitor grexfox and looking to run a unit of acolytes with her. What's the best way to equip them.

>>54887401
>So pretty common.

All I ever encounter is smurfs, BA and wolves

Alright anons, twin las or pred autocannon?

>>54886514
>chad thundercog
10/10

>>54887226
Do you need Grey Knights to add inquisitors? What if you want to make an ordo xenos or hereticus one?

>>54887355
>CCW
That's not a thing. Does he have a Chainsword?

>>54886700
they're not well rounded, but they reward skilled play. You can paint them pretty much anything I've seen them red, orange, green, purple, black, yellow, there's more forgeworlds than space marine chapters.

They're one of the most killy armies out there.

>>54887444
Getting this defensive about your waac lists. Mate at the end of the day its toy soldiers, i reckon you need to settle down

>>54887479
Just Storm Bolters.

>>54887355
"close combat weapons" are not a valid item. Only chainswords are.

yo what colours should I paint some Savlar chem dogs?

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I see speak of quite a lot of IG in tabletop right now, and as someone quite new i'm a bit confused at what people mean when they say "Conscripts"?

Is it these guy pic related or some other models I can't find on GW's store

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>>54887274
>Converted all my Chosen and CSM with Boltgun, Bolt Pistol and CCW, which has been a thing since 4th edition
>GW decide all of the sudden we can't have the anymore
>Even Chosen that actually have them on the model
>Half of my army is now technically a proxy

>>54887511
You paint a white stripe on their helmet and then they are shitty conscripts

>>54887455
I love how the only reason they fell was because of an inquisitor not knowing how space marines work.

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>>54887497
The only person here who is defensive seems to be you, I've been here enjoying myself and all you've been able to do is sit around insulting me as you get repeatedly btfo over and over.
Don't tell me, you're into cuckoldry and that's why you enjoy being btfo.

>IG Codex is released
>No conscript entry
The shitposting here will be insane

Magnus is a mutant?

>>54887487
It's a sword.

And even with that, the other guys are still out.

>>54887511
>In a world of earth shattering monstrosities these men are the most feared force in the universe.

>>54887536
I'm not that guy but you seem to be the one that's repeatedly defensive.
You've been constantly shitting up this thread by feeling the need to respond to every post that. Does it really trigger you that much?

>>54887528
and what does a conscript do that a regular guardsman cant

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>>54887551
forgot my picture

>>54887479
Storm Bolters
Since after the wound nerf they are glorified Guardsmen squad leaders.

>>54887455
The flesh eaters and blood drinkers were named as such because most marine brotherhoods place ritual importance on those things thanks to the Omophagea.

Space marines are the angels of DEATH, and having sinister/intimidating names is part of the whole mystique.

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>>54887536
>calling people cuckolds because people gave him shit about his army men

>>54887551
>>54887568
He used to be a literal cyclops like in Greek Myth

Now he's just a dude who lost an eye.

>>54887274
>Chosen with boltgun
>chosen with poweraxe and boltpistol
>Chosern wih powerfist amnd bolt pistol
>dakr apoostal with power maul and boltpistol
yeah they are

>>54887564
My local meta fears my Seraphim and Dominion squads.

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>>54887483
Twin Las is much better against tanks. Predator Autocannon is better against everything lighter. If the Predators are going to be your primary Anti-tank Twin Las is probably the way to go. If you'd like them to be more versatile and have some other weapons that can also take on tanks consider Autocannons.

>>54887551
He was a giant red cyclops?

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>He doesn't paint on the sprue

>>54887567
Have 50 guys to a unit. Extremely efficient for orders, commissars and priests to buff. They are the best chump blockers in the game and it is almost impossible to do so with any efficiency.

>>54887567
Cost one less point and come in a squad size of fifty.

>>54887551
>cyclopean
>size of an ogre
>psychic powers
>red skin
yes?

>>54887598
what about when I clip the model off the sprue
How do I spray the left over grey bits without ruining the paintjob I just did

>>54887567
They are really garbage individually, even more so than regular guardsmen, but you can take like 100 of them and drown everything in a flurry of las shots.

>>54887587
The Poweraxe, powerfist and maul guys all have a bolter too.

>>54887600
You forgot that they're the cheapest unit in the game

>>54887562
>It's a sword.
Not an issue then. Swords don't have rules.

>>54887583
Yeah, I know all this "We're not the imperiums caretakers, but their Angels of Death!" thing, but it's funny from an outside perspective, even from an inside perspective desu.
Just imagine it. "The Emperors Children are coming for us, surely they are the Emperors angels who will deliver us from the Flesh Tearers! Those guys even sound quite heretical!"

>>54887613
fuck sake

>>54887607
>>54887597
cyclops aint got nothing to do with it. He used to have 2 eyes but lost one to a daemon

>>54887637
Not in the old lore which that is from.

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>>54887612
*blocks your path*

>>54887571
>>54887498
Thank ya. Kind of sad they nerf'd their wounds but 8 pts for a 3 wound model did seem a bit excessive.

>>54887637
He's still beet red.

>>54887654
>spends a turn shooting 1000 lasers at obstruction
>obstruction vanishes

>>54887637
You don't get to quote old fluff and then bitch how it doesn't match recent fluff

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>>54887637
>He used to
no, he used to be a proper cyclops

>Origins
>When the Primarchs were mysteriously scattered from their incubation on Terra, the infant Magnus fell upon the remote colony world of Prospero. He could hardly have been more fortunate: a grotesque cyclopean mutant who might have been feared and shunned on any other world came instead upon a hidden planet of kindred spirits: a commune of outcast human psykers. It would not be the last time Magnus's destiny would be so conveniently manipulated.

>By the time he approached physical maturity, Magnus had grown into a giant in the psychic and intellectual, as well as the physical, sense. Then came the day that Magnus opened his cyclopean eye upon the Empyrean, and instead of channelling power from the Warp, Magnus instead saw into it, and life on Prospero was changed forever.

>The instant his single enormous eye saw into that place of power, Magnus the Red went from student to absolute master.

This was also from a time when the primarchs were all the same size as space marines. Magnus was literally this guy,

>>54887675
Why did they tell magnus to stop using the warp, when he was so good at it?

>>54887690
In the old lore they didnt they just told him to stop using sorcery.
Magnus's back story is probably the one that got changed and hurt the most over the decades.

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>>54887661
>50 conscripts with FSRFSRF do, on average, 3 wounds to a Land Raider
>0.46 wounds in melee

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>5 poxwalkers built
>15 to go
>then 7 plague marines
>then the drone, and the 3 HQs
>and then I have to paint it all
>it took me 2 hours to build those 5
wew, grandfather give me strength

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>Be Guard player
>Shitpost about conscripts so autists ree about it
>Meanwhile my mech vets, scout sentinels, Heavy weapon teams and bullgryns shit on people

>GW will think 0-1 conscripts will balance guard while they give buffs and strategems to the other units for internal balance
>mfw

>>54887704
>only 50
>not 100
>firing 400 shots a turn

>>54887706
Why though? Took me around that time to build 20.

>>54887706
How do you take 2 hours to build 5 miniatures, without even painting them?

>>54887567
Literally nothing besides squad size.
An infantry squad Guardsmen has been through basic training, fire drills, and even a Battle or two.
A conscript is farmer Bob given a flak vest and a lasgun, told to stand in front of something important.

>>54886490
forced meme

>>54887706
Newfriend?
Painting will take you even longer

>>54887690
>Though his identity has been lost to history, he is said to have spoken with a passion that bordered on ferocity, and offered to the assembled council a third alternative. A psyker, he proposed, like an athlete, was a gifted individual whose native talent must be carefully nurtured. Psykers were not evil in themselves. Sorcery was a knowledge that had to be sought, even bargained for, and neither man nor paragon could be certain they had the best of such bargains. The other Librarians united around him, and proposed that the education of human psykers to best serve Mankind be made an Imperial priority. The conduct of sorcery would be outlawed forevermore as an unforgivable heresy against Mankind.

>The compromise presented by the Librarians offered both factions something, and appeared to be what the Emperor himself had been waiting for. The Emperor ruled it law without allowing any rebuttal, and the Edicts of Nikaea stand to this millennium as Imperial policy regarding human psychic mutation. But it was not the decision favoured by Magnus.

They had the same thing happen in the black library novels. Just that the emperor instead went "LOL FUCK THAT NO MORE PSYCHIC POWERS PERIOD EAT A DICK FAGGOTS" to get the readers to side with magnus.

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*teleports behind you*

>>54887658
With a 5+ save, WS/BS4+, S/T3, nah it was fine. Those bastard die to slight breeze.

>>54887704
Now count it out: how much does the land raider do in response?

Then, to complete your analysis, multiply each figure by the points per wound of the model, to determine how many "points" of damage the conscript does to the land raider, and vice versa.

>>54887707
I am the same way. It's really my Lemans, Scions and Bullgryn doing all the work. Meanwhile artillery and Conscripts will be nerfed.

>>54887654
Sweet three free kill points.

>>54887727
>>54887703
What's the difference between a psyker and a sorcerer?

>>54887380
why buy the DI box when you can get most of the primaris stuff for way cheaper other ways?

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>>54887760
Nothing anymore since the Matt Ward changes. which is why Nikaea got changed as well.

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Is there an effective way to play Alpha Legion without Cultist or Chosen spam?

>>54887706
Good luck pal.. if its taking you this long to build you're going to love painting

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>>54887598
>He paints his models

>>54887747
If I like to run max kit Infantry Squads around Basilisk, instead of Conscripts or Veterans, am I a faggot?

>>54887274
>lightning claws guy is legal
>has grenades

>>54887779
Can't they infiltrate a shit ton of berserkers?

>>54887769
Because I wanted the DG shit too. Also DI was the first Primaris set that came out.

>>54887779
Infiltrate berserkers
Havoc gunlines

>>54887737
Is there any talk of increasing it back to 2 wounds or a buff in some other regard?

>>54887789
No, you are fluffy and not using the meme army.
>As long as they are painted.

You should use veterans though.

>>54887760
A Psyker uses their own latent power to manipulate the warp into effecting realspace, the people capable of doing this are rare, and those strong enough mentally to not be corrupted in the process even rarer.

Sorcerers basically go "Gibe powers pls" to the inhabitants of the warp from lowest Daemon to the gods themselves. This generally involves making a bargain of some kind, which can be a blunt "Gimme soul first pussy" or a more subtle keikaku as Magnus fell prey to.

For obvious reasons, Sorcery is a terrible fucking idea, whilst Psykers when properly trained are mostly safe.

This was the old fluff of course, now everything is treated the same and you either love magic, or you hate it all.

>>54887779
Infiltrate large units of Terminators, Berzerkers or chaos marines, charge with multiple units on T1. Can you infiltrate spawn? That'd be cool too, basically play melee Alpha Legion.

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>>54887789
>plays guards
>has to wonder if hes a faggot

>>54887825
I save Vets for manning my Strongpoint : ^ )

>>54887834
Back in the not grim-derp lore "War Singers" where a thing, along with witches.

Psykers, Sorcerers, Witch and War Singers are different things.

>>54887834
>and those strong enough mentally to not be corrupted in the process even rarer
It's worth mentioning that this is why the soul-binding exists. That's what allows otherwise lesser individuals to perform the necessary psychic duties required by the imperium with comparatively minor risk of incident.

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Clawed Fiends with a Beastmaster or Grotesques with a Haemy for Dark Eldar? The latter can drive around in a Raider but the former seem like better bang for their buck and are pretty fast anyway.

>>54887493
What do you mean by killy?

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>people who paint before assembling

>>54887908
I do this even when its going to make the model trickier to paint, I'm like a kid when I buy a new kit in that I like to rush home and start putting it together.

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How much characters do you think is enough in AL army? Yesterday I played 1k game with 3 lords and 2 sorcs and think thats not enough magick but exactly needed char count. Your thoughts?

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>>54886446
>Chaos V Chad Marines
the ruinous powers are getting a serious womping. How are chaos even a threat again? They seem to be the weedy kid who puffs out his chest only to get swirlyed every day.

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>>54887779
>>54887794
>>54887808
>>54887835

Alright then. With the philosophy that melee alpha is best alpha, what marks would y'all argue for Terminators?

I'm leaning towards a Slaanesh unit with claws or maybe a Nurgle unit w/ power mauls to try and clear hordes, and then Tzeentch or Khorne with Chainfists and Combi Melta for heavier targets.

I haven't played that much so I want to make sure I'm not going full retard before I model them.

>>54887908
Depending on the model and its pose it can be mandatory, if some part gets in the way of painting something else.

Leaving bolters off marines so you can paint the torso properly is probably the classic example.

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>>54887598
Who the fuck actually does this?

>>54887905
6 kastelan robos can fart out 108 s6 ap -2 shots a turn with the right protocol and loadout. They can even do this during over watch. Thats an example of admech killyness/over compensation

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>>54887913
>>54887908
>He doesn't paint every bit seperately and glues it together afterwards

>>54887949
But you only will be unable to paint that parts that nobody is going to see anyway. Waste of time desu senpai

>>54887921
I'd say 2 maybe 3 characters tops is plenty for a 1k game

>>54887980
yeah but I'll know it wasn't painted and that knowledge will eat me alive

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>>54887962
He doesnt magnetise everything and keep all the bits in a bucket for easy transportation

By the way primaris players: the redemptor does not have the primaris tag, meaning a primaris can be made into any sort of dreadnought you'd like

On the flip side redemptors aren't necessarily filled with chads

>>54887986
My enemy was world eater and Kharn killed 1 lord and wounded 2nd. Another lord died in fight with zerkers. 4 spells not enough to me and maybe i should take stratagem for +1 artifact and get murder sword for one of lords

painting before assembling

ok

assembling and painting afterwards

ok

but painting sprues .. wtf
I mean WTF, clipmarks everywhere

>>54887960
over compensation for what?

>>54887980
>>54887992
>Spend over an hour sanding and greenstuffing the bottom of my Corona Grav Carrier
>Realize no one is ever going to see it
I don't know how I didn't think of that before, but it struck me and I audibly groaned at my stupidity

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New chaos player here. I'm set on playing Emperor's Children mainly because of noise marines but i was wondering what other dakka does my army need besides sonic weaponry in order to deal with opposing threats?

>>54887980
Not what I'm talking about, not hidden details. But obscured stuff
Like the marines torso, you can still see all of the breast place once tbe models full assembled, the gap between it and the bolter is to small to get a brush into and paint accuratly. You can easily see if that bit hasn't been done.

>>54888091
Anti tank.

Just get tons of lascannons from predators or whatever

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>>54887998
>not building every possible loadout for your units on a different model

>>54888018

Non-expanded cyberdongs, obviously.

>>54888091
Double firing las havocs

>>54888013
Eh, if I'm going to paint before assembly painting on the sprue is better. You dont have to deal with try hold fiddly little bits while trying to paint all the details. Once assembled touching up the clipping marks is easy.

>>54888093
just assemble and paint it without arms, put arms on later.

Fully painted model without high risks of fucking it up while trying

>>54887703

Russ & The Lion say hi. Oh, at least they tried to, but then Guilliman got all the credit and somebody rewrote their part in the heresy to be pointless and inconsequential.

>>54887355
>generic ccw profile is literally in the rulebook
>these guys have said generic ccw modeled on them
>not legal

>>54888114
That model is actual weapon

>>54888013
I paint heads on the sprue, means you actually have some kind of grip rather than constantly changing position.

>>54888152
>not doing head on a pike for painting
Why?

>>54888105
Sweet! I was thinking about ordering the killshot predator pack anyway.

>>54888091
Sonic weapons are anti-infantry.
You now need anti-tank and anti-heavy infantry.

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>he doesn't build scale engines for all of his vehicles out of plastic-card, paint them, and then seal them in the engine compartment where no one will see them

>>54887892

Beast masters are the new hotness in the index and I believe clawed fiends math out to be one of the strongest CC options for DE.

That said I think grotesques have slightly better resilience with the 5++ and haemonculous are one of the better CC characters for DE with the electrocorrosive whip.

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How come and everyone has read already the new novel when it is going to be released in 2018?
What am I missing?

>>54887846
Speaking of which, the 15 fire point but only one squad capacity thing is driving me nuts. What would be the most effective IMPERIUM unit to man in it? It's clearly not in the Guard section.

>>54888205
Wut

>>54886490
Oh shit they've been upgraded

>>54888205
http://www116.zippyshare.com/v/TyoHWJnD/file.html

>>54888169
I lack pinning rods

>>54887960
Onager dunecrawlers also have d3 s10 ap -4 laser shots, basically souped-up lascannons. Vanguard, our basic infantry, have assault 3 guns. Electro priests and ruststalkers shit out mortal wounds like its their job (it is). Admech are just murder machines.

>>54888231
THE MEMES ARE EVOLVING, JACK

>>54886490
Mon'keigh buisness 2: maximum ogreload

>>54888256
Kek

>>54888180

>He doesn't add pull back motors to all his vehicles and determine how much they can move by how much they are propelled

>>54886490
Ogre Aggression

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>>54888221
Dark Imperium Paperback – 25 Jan 2018
by Guy Haley (Author)
amazon.co.uk

Is it because all the info is included in the Codex and the novel will be a dramatisation of that?

>>54888244
Thank you but I can't read novels on the screen..

>>54886490
I hear all this shit about Bullgryn being godly this ed but how are Ogryns, anyway? They seem worse in most ways.

>>54886603
Nice roll.

>>54888253
I agree admech shooting is brutal. As a nids player im fearing the 6 kastelan robo spam though, not sure how to deal with it beyond a turn 1 charge

>>54888283
Black Library sells the epub earlier than physical releases, a smart way to maximize profits.

>>54888278
>Not Ogression

>>54888115
isn't that heresy or something?

Hey Chaos bros, what new lists are you running now?

These cheap heldrakes man
This cheap defiler man
These possessed marines man