Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for Pantsthiever Cult

Nth for dumb motherfuckers still don't understand that you just need to take a second detachment for your daemons so they don't upset your tactics

3rd for the dark prince

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>>54874655
3rd for Khorne and his new based basing material!

Whats the best tank for a tank commander? Is the Punisher or Executioner any good?.

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6th for Dark Eldar

>>54874702
Not true nigger.

If you summon your daemons they aren't in your detachment but still get to go in.

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>>54874709
>>54874714
once again proven that Slaanesh is better than Khorne

Do I need land raiders for a paladin heavy gk list? Or are points better spent on dreadnoughts?

>>54874737
Just faster

>>54874726
that also works, but wastes a turn of movement. why bother

>Nth for Hive guard superiority


[b]++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Tyranids) [33 PL, 666pts] ++[/b]

[b]+ HQ +[/b]

[b]Malanthropes [5 PL, 90pts]:[/b] Malanthrope

[b]+ Elites +[/b]

[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon


[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon


[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon


[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon

[b]++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Tyranids) [33 PL, 666pts] ++[/b]

[b]+ HQ +[/b]

[b]Malanthropes [5 PL, 90pts]:[/b] Malanthrope

[b]+ Elites +[/b]

[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon


[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon


[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon


[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon

[b]++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Tyranids) [33 PL, 666pts] ++[/b]

[b]+ HQ +[/b]

[b]Malanthropes [5 PL, 90pts]:[/b] Malanthrope

[b]+ Elites +[/b]

[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon


[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon


[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon


[b]Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts][/b]
3x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon

>>54874753
more attacks

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Summoning nurgle daemons. 20 or 30 plaguebearers?

20 means they get -1 to hit but lose it with one death. 30 means its harder to get rid of, but harder to summon.

Both are pretty susceptible to morale.

Should I go orks or imperial guard? If I go orks I'll be making blood axes if that counts for anything

>>54874766
I wonder how something similar to this would work with obliterators now.

>>54874778
Ork clans feel so bolted on and pointless.

Orks fight themselves anyway, why add clans to it? Doesn't seem very necessary to their fluff. If removed, what changes?

Their specializations seem pointless too. I can never remember what any of them are apart from Goffs and Snakebites.

>>54874751
They're quite good but stormravens are also very good

You probably don't want to bet on deep striking your entire paladin force and 7 Paladins + ancient in a crusader can be teleported across the field with gate anyway

>>54874719
Executioner is only good if you're also taking another tank commander as Pask, or you have Harker/Yarrick in your army to help you re-roll 1s. If you never overcharge it, it's still all right for making sure infantry never have much of an armor save.

Punisher with Multi-Meltas and Lascannon is my personal favorite combo. Battle Cannon is okay. Exterminator isn't very strong, but it's reliable. Demolisher is also solid, but I save it for Pask because you usually only get D3 shots. I always want more range for my Lemans, but then we use so much terrain that my LoS is blocked anyway, so Punisher has always been the best for me.

I save the range for Basilisks and Manticores.

>>54874795
Git detected.

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>>54874795
>can't remember what speedfreaks do

>>54874776
iirc you can pick after rolling

>>54874812
Girl detected.

>>54874795
For now, at least. Clans will matter quite a bit when codex: Orks adds strattygumz

>>54874655
No Eldar skulls?

>>54874829
there's a dead swooping hawks squad listed in there.

>>54874829
just get human skulls and greenstuff some pointy ears on

>>54874846
>ears on skulls
Anon, I have some bad news...

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Question : If you have a detachment with nothing but the same <LEGION> units, and then summon in daemon reinforcements once the game started ... do you keep or lose the Legion benefits ?

>"Okay I want to play Tyranids, I better write up a list using the stuff I like"
>Everything costs so little points it's like trying to fill up a bucket with tears

>>54874857
The summoned units are not part of any detachment

>>54874857
you keep them. the demons summoned are not part of your detachment

>>54874884
>>54874889
That's actually kinda neat.

>>54874774
Less strenght and ap

>>54874857
You keep them.

Daemons disrupting legions traits is a meme anyway. As long as all <legion> troops are of the same legion you get a legion trait, it doesn't matter if you included daemons or not.

>>54874776
I mean with the drop from 5/10/15 to 4/8/12 your chances of 10/20/30 models went from 98%/62%/9% to 99%/83%/37%

Which means getting 30 Plague groups is much easier. So definitely aim for the 30 blobs

What are the best equivalents for the Bloat Drone, Blightbringer, Plaguecaster, and Lord of Contagion for a generic CSM army?

>>54874915
Helldrake, Dark Apostle, Sorcerer and Chaos Lord?

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Am I the only one who noticed the Black Templars got nerfed back to codex strenght yet again?

>>54874907
I didn't know 3 was more than 4.

>>54874929
>Chaos Lord in Terminator armor*
Ftfy

>>54874911
>If your army is Battle-forged, allINFANTRY, BIKERS and HELBRUTE unitsin Chaos
Space Marine Detachments gain a Legion
Trait, so long as every unit in that Detachment
is from the same Legion.
>[List of legions] A
Chaos Space Marine Detachment is therefore
one which only includes units with one of
these keywords
>daemons don't have these options
JUST TAKE A DIFFERENT DETACHMENT YOU FAGGOTS

>>54874929
I can see them, except the Helldrake, thats a bit too big of a stretch.

>>54874858
but /tg/ has told me nids are amazing now

>>54874846
khorne please, different skulls have different properties and flesh doesn't stick to skulls for long

>>54874947
It isn't, what drugs are you on this time that you lost your reading comprehension?

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What's their action movie's name again?

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How would you describe the Dark Eldar aesthetic? Cyberpunk? Seems to fit in some ways but obviously lacking the key 'cyber' part due to there being no interwebs in the grim darkness etc etc

>>54874858
Best part is that you can ally in guard.

>>54874965
>different skulls have different properties and flesh doesn't stick to skulls for long
[Citation needed]

>>54874933
wait theyre back to a thousand again?
they are used as a mass sacrifice chapter due to their numbers

>>54874967
I was talking about AP not strength, only weed, I ran out of vodka hours ago

>>54874776
Is it really okay to avatarfag these days?

>>54874681
Why do people like the Genestealers?

>>54874973
Retards in a box

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>>54874933
>>54874987
You're welcome

>>54874987
Yeah according to the new dex each crusade can range from 'a few squads up to hundreds of templars' and never mentions them being above Codex mumbers.

>>54874933
Good, it's the one non-negotiable part of the Second Founding, any chapter openly increasing it's numbers beyond 1500 marines would be seen as preparing for rebellion.

The Inquisition just looking the other way to a near-legion strength second founding chapter is dumb.

>>54874977
Edgy. Literally.

>>54874965
>but /tg/ has told me nids are amazing now
They are. But, like, you pick three big monsters and a bucket full of Termagants, then you add the total points together and go "what, 700 points? What am I going to fill the rest with?" Everything is so hilariously cheap. You can take so much good stuff it's ridiculous. I mean, it gets kind of ridiculous when 7 Plague Marines with decent gear cost more than 30 Termagants with 10 Devourers and 20 Fleshborers.

>>54875011
This meme is shit.

>>54874724
it's not very funny

because it's 100% true

you need to add some exaggeration to it

>>54874977
Jabba and his palace if it was edgier and also prettier

>>54875017
Reason they don't know is that they don't tell them.

Also the fleets are so broken apart and crusading in different areas, no one can count them all.

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>>54875028
pleb

>>54875003
Because they are humies that aren't Billy The Poster Protagonist and aren't Spikey Reverse Billy, the Poster Antagonist.

Also they get to work with the bugs so you can be a tank fag and still use nids to bait girls into talking about your cute minis.

Best way to build a box of reivers, anons?

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>>54874990
You're only Ap -4 on 6s, and have the same attacks in the first round or combat, but only S3 with one damage, while Khorne is either 5 or 4 with more reliable Ap and chance for extra damage.

You're better against hordes, we're better against elites and vehicles. Works for me, at least Tzeench isn't objectively better this time.

>>54874950
"Chaos Space Marines" is the name of the codex, all units inside it are chaos space marine units and can form a chaos space marine detachment, that includes the four lesser daemon profiles.
There is no <chaos space marines> keyword.

>>54874952
It's less that and more
>hey instead of upgrading our already super soldiers lets just make some super super soldiers instead

>>54874857

For fucks's sake, you can have daemon troops in your original detachment AS WELL and keep Legion tactics.

All legion tactics requires is that everyone be from the same legion. Daemons do not have a fucking legion.

You cannot have Night Lords Raptors and Alpha Legion havocs. You will lose legion tactics.

You CAN have Night Lords Raptors, a fuckload of bloodletters, a giant chaos spawn, a great unclean one, and some renegade guard, and STILL. KEEP. LEGION. TACTICS.

Pulse rifles or pulse carbines for fire warriors?

reposting for fallen bro in last thread:

Fallen can join either imperial or chaos armies because they have both keywords but honestly the "fallen" unit itself is limited and not that great so just do what I and many others have done and model up some pre-heresy dark angels and make lists using only units that have imperial/chaos counterparts such as god hammer land raiders, predators, rhinos, devastators/havocs, assault/raptors, tactical marines. Its not hard but it takes a bit of book keeping to have a playable army that can switch sides on a coin toss

>>54875072
clippers, hobby knife, and some plastic cement.

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>>54874977
Literally cybergoth.

-Black with neon green highlights
-latex bodysuits
-bondage gear
-gasmasks
-loldrugs
-vials that look like glowsticks
-dreadlock topknots
-mid-2000s edgy tribal tattoos
-hellraiser references
-junkie vampires

no seriously, they're cybergoths

>>54875058
Is that a new unit?

>>54874965
>>54875027

Yeah, that's what I meant. I added everything I wanted to field together and it didn't even fill a 1k list.

I know Nids' whole thing is uncountable hordes, and that's what I love about them, but holy shit I just don't have the money to be able to field that much.

>>54875085
always rifles
>>54875072
magnets

>>54875085
Pulse Rifles or Pulse Carbines for Gue'vesa?

>>54875077
Fair enough, but put enough attacks into a single character and my opponent has more armor saves to make.
Especially fun to deal 15 wounds to a captain, 4 of which were sixes, thank you Masque granting +1 to hit and Daemon Prince rerolling 1's.

>>54875103
It's a conversion.

>>54875103
New character they teased along with terminators and Mortarion, see for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJMu9G7Pyw8

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>Purity of Cause
>Endeavouring to forget the corruption of the previous millennium, the Adeptus Ministorum seek penance by conquering the xenos-filled Benedictine Sub-sector. The Black Templars send their entire Chapter to fight alongside five orders of Sisters of Battle and massed armies of faith.
>Several Aeldari worlds are captured, and in the ensuing conflicts, two High Marshals are slain in swift succession. The Ecclesiarch himself declares an end to the war, claiming that they had achieved enough in the Emperor’s name and recalling his armies. New High Marshal Constantine continues the crusade regardless, and the Black Templars alone successfully cleanse the remaining worlds of xenos.

Righteous, I like to think this is when they began believing in God-Emps.

>>54875149
Don't think there are new terminators, just new lord of contagions. Also the hidden guy to the right is new Typhus.

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>>54875125
Yes, everyone is very useful now, no more re-rollable 2++ shit. I can't say much about daemon tactics because I play World Eaters, but the Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage is looking meaner than ever noe that chargers strike first.

>>54874766
Like I said in the last thread, this last is garbage.

>>54875187
he is not Typhus

in the last shot you can see another miniature with the same equipment

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Fulgurite Electropriests. 2x10 or 1x20? Anyone ever ran enough at once to try the full block, or even ran them at all? How'd they do?

I want them as countermeasures to the almost inevitable Primarch, Leviathan Dread, massive smashy vehicle or other melee thing, but having them seperate might make them less fire-magnety and versatile at the cost of the mass 3++ if they manage to win something.

>>54875068
I have a friend who has an Imperial Guard army and a Tyranid army. He hates Genestealers.

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>>54875187
Well, we do know there's an actual terminator unit coming, so I'm going to assume that's an actual Deathshroud until proven wrong.

>>54875181
You're codex compliant again, make up your damn minds.

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>>54875187
>Don't think there are new terminators

>>54875195
Sadly the big HQ's are all just essentially beat sticks.
The leadership bonus is okay but because they can be targetted and ripped apart by lascannons, you really need to either get them in there fast, or summon them in closer if you can.
5++ is not enough to keep them alive.

>>54875217
>>54875222
>mivehind

>>54875238
True, good thing the Bloodthirster has wings which help quite a bit, and I understand the Keeper of Secrets runs quite fast?

I feel bad for the Nurgle guys though, very slow in an army that revolves around close combat.

>>54875085
It depends. Are they sitting in a gunline or running upfield to seize objectives?
Rifle for the former, carbine for the latter, or breachers if you want to bring a devilfish.

>>54875217
>>54875222
I just realized hes holding a fucking las-cannon, why cant my boys do that?

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>>54875080
It's so explicit, how can you possibly misread this
Daemons don't have a single one of these keywords. It becomes a Chaos detachment if you include daemons, making the people inside ineligible for tactics

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>>54874655
How buttblasted would people be if i were to bring word bearer noise marines to the table? I really like the third party conversion options those models have but at the same time i don't want to swap legions just for them.

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>>54874933
>>54875011

>>54875273
Same speed as your wings let you travel, yes.
But yeah, poor Nurgle Daemons.

>>54875276
I assume that's a Plaguespitter, since it looks similar to a Lascannon and when the Bloat Drone was first seen, people assumed it too would have Lascannons. Also, thanks to the new Plague Marines datasheet I assume that's a Bubotic Axe he's holding.

The box will probably be a dual kit of 1) Scythes + wrist-mounted peashooter and 2) gunk guns and plague melee weapons, so basically Deathshrouds and not-quite-Grave Wardens.

>>54874973
Commandough

>>54874933
Maybe you are the only one who gives a shit

>>54875318
It's totally legal, Black Legion is the only documented case, but the cult units can indeed join other legions, and even warbands.

>>54875318
There isnt anything wrong with Word Bearer or black legion Noise marines, you still get the slaanesh mark shoot twice stratagem. Especially i you also have unit from other gods.

What 3rd party conversion are you on about anon?

>>54874655
Will someone PLEASE build an actual skull throne out of these?

>>54875318

I think you're probably fine to do that. It seems like they changed the fluff to allow cult troops for Word Bearers now. Personally, I'm not a fan but whatever. Might want to represent some other Gods in your army though to make it feel like undivided.

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>>54874977
spiky evil elves that like to do poses and look smug

>>54875107
sounds like y'all need more monsters then which is a good problem to have

>>54874983
well the skulls should be different shapes since different species and flesh rots away after a year or so. the new skulls gw is selling look like the magically cleaned skulls Skulltaker presents to Khorne

How fluffy would it be for Khorne Berzerkers to use their Rhino like a makeshift power fist, driving through gunlines and barricades to unleash the cargo behind the defenders?

>>54875000
No.
No it's not. That piece of shit should stay out

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>>54875217
>>54875222
soon

I want to start playing clowns but every model is out of stock.

Is there any store selling plastic Troupe boxes online that isn't wildly marked up?

>>54875376
Fun as fuck. Unlikely, as the damn thing only hits on 6+, but in general, DO IT. Charging with the transport to eat Overwatch is like the main use of transports this edition.

>>54875217
>>54875222

It comes in a nice double kit.

>>54875402
Just get Death Masque and sell the Deathwatch guys.

>>54875305
FUCK

>>54875407
If only you could disembark after charging. If only GW wasn't so retarded about ramming with vehicles and kept the old rules or at least treated them like a 1-use 'blast' attack. The current rules don't even make sense.

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>>54875410

>2xExSorc and Jumpack Sorc ~400pts
>6xTzaangors ~ 420pts
>2xPreds and a Maulerfiend ~ 450pts
>3xSpawn 100pts
>3xMSU Rubrics 500pts

Shit, it's kinda tough to do TS Battalion while also leaving enough points for Magnus within 1850 pts.

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>>54875209

I have not run any Fulgurite Electro-Priests, but the Corpuscarii were shockingly amazing when I used them. I played vs genestealer cult and a unit of 10 of them ended up getting 40 hits on a patriarch and his buddies. So far, I have yet to have a unit of them fail to blast anything to kingdom come when they open fire on it.

I never played Electro-Priests before 8th because of how garbage they were in the previous edition, but I think now they are finally worth using.

Fulgurites in a large group seem like they'd dish out a ridiculous amount of mortal wounds. If your opponent if directing firepower at the Electro-Priests, they are not firing at your big guns. With a 5++ and a 5+ ability to ignore wounds, they are oddly more resilient vs scarier, heavy guns than they are vs small arms fire.

Maybe consider applications as a distraction-carnifex type unit?

>>54875209
Well, I'd keep them in one big blob, since the chance for them to actually wipe a unit is vastly improved in a bigger unit. You also don't have transport limits to worry about since AdMech doesn't have transports. There's some fucking silver lining.

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I think I'm finally going to take the plunge and start buying for the tabletop. I want to make a Black Legion army so I figured I would start with the Start Collecting set, it contains:
1 Chaos lord/Sorcerer in Terminator Armor
1 squad CSM
1 Hellbrute
I don't really want to go for 2000 pts until after I have a few games under my belt and the models painted, but are there any models that would be recommended to add? I really like the Defiler.

Where is the CSM sonic dreadnought profile? Can't find it anywhere

>>54875469
I will never get why people want to do a Battalion this much. You're cucking yourself out of valuable firepower in order to get... Command Points to make your firepower less mediocre. Wat.

>>54875594
Forge World Index FAQ tells you it's just the Helbrute profile with some additional options and limitations.

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>>54875318

>Intentionally playing the legion with useless joke rules

I don't think anyone will mind if you bring noise marines. You certainly can't be accused of powergaming. Plus it's not even a fluff-violation. Do what you want, man.

Playing Word Bearers is suffering

>>54875594
No profile as such. The Forgeworld FAQ adds a paragraph to the Helbrute datasheet that lets it take Noise weaponry.

What loadout should I take on a War Walker? I'm thinking 2 Bright Lance, but I'm not sure. People at my LGS field a lot of TEQs and vehicles.

>>54875630
You can do other things with command points.

>>54875585
Defilers still cost more points than they are worth. It is split between ranged and melee, but will hit on 5+ when it moves. Vanilla CSMs while neat don't do a very good job so I've switched back to cultist squads for cheap troop choices for detachments. Havoks are good heavy support still. Spawn are very effective. Berzerkers and plague marines are pretty solid this edition. Predators are good.

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Hey /tg/ want to run a successor chapter idea by y'all:

>Dark Angel Successors
>Diverts resources to their less-than-codex-compliant battle brothers
>Trades all of their Terminator Armor, rhino-chasis thanks, and most of their Power Armor to their brother chapters
>1st & 2nd companies wear power armor, rest wear scout armor
>Maybe adopt Samurai motif

Fluff them as fleet-based chapter that deploys to reinforce Astra Militarum. Maybe add Primaris Marines, saying they got the ones the other chapters didn't trust. Use Raven Guard tactics to make the most of what they have.

What do y'all think?

>>54875640
Normally I'd accuse you of being a whiny bitch, but considering all the awesome stuff Word Bearers have in 30k, yeah, I guess you're not wrong. If Word Bearers had a buff for Possessed and if Raptors had an option for unit-wide Hand Flamers and Chainaxes (to represent Ashen Circle) I would have zero complaints. But as they are....

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>>54875421
didn't know about this set. thanks, m8. they seem pretty hard to find, too, but got one on ebay that was only slightly price gouged.

>>54875637

Thanks pal!

I don't even play CSM just taken an interest and so far I've had to look through 2 FAQs 2 Index and a Codex to try and make a list, I thought this was meant to be the simple edition?!

is there any chapter where you can take a dread as a HQ choice? and not a special character, one of my own dudes

Why do people think things like Wright Knights, Knights or Riptides are not titans?

Did the lore change into stupid as usual?

>>54875717
Space Wolves? Not sure if Bjorn is an hq choice

>>54875717
Blood Angels. Librarian Dreadnought.

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>>54875684

What if you were to take a defiler, strap all the flames you can to it, then use the sneaky beaky Alpha Legion deployment? Could walk up and burn a unit to tears, then charge a transport or something in turn one.

>>54875682
Yes, but nothing that justifies it. Right now you cannot even use Codex Stratagems as Thousand Sons, so currently all you can do with your Command Points is the Counter Attack thing (which is worthless for TS), the morale passing thing (which is useless for TS with the exception of Tzaangors) and the reroll (which is once per phase and you have no one big gun to justify using it on). Just take a smaller detachment so you can leave out some of those tax units and take something actually useful.

>>54875717
There is the FW Chaplain Dreadnought

>>54875107
Ebay, bugboy. There are always Horma/Termagants for sale at around 25% of the GW cost - just strip them and paint them whatever colours you want.

>>54875741
He said not a special character.

>>54875731
Not big enough, dummy.

>>54875432
>If only GW wasn't so retarded about ramming with vehicles and kept the old rules or at least treated them like a 1-use 'blast' attack
What's your problem with current ramming rules?

>>54875717
All chapters can take Chaplain Dreadnoughts as HQs, BA got Librarian Dreads, SW have Bjorn, Salamanders have Bray'arth Ashmantle and Novamarines have a Dreadnought special character though I dont remember if he still exists.

>>54875769
Meant to say Flamers. Damn autocorrect.

>>54875769
defilers are infantry?

>>54875731
Because they aren't true titans, true titans are generally larger, stronger, better armed and armored.
Even in Epic, knights were not a match for a true titan scale threat of any faction, needing 3 to 1 odds to take on even the smallest titans.

>>54875731
They weren't titans, they were knights. It was its own weight class in epic 40k.

Now they call them knight Titans so it's retconned

>>54875793
Maybe the fact that ramming a Rhino into another tank or unit only has a 1 in 6 chance of actually hitting?

How are Harlequins? I want to go full CARNIVAL

>>54875769
You can only infiltrate with infantry bro

>>54875769
Infantry only. Defiler can only have one twin heavy flamer anyways. If you want to do alpha legion, plasma and melta chosen using their strategem is quite effective.

How do I cope with waiting on plastic that's in the mail?

>>54875839
Watch Duncan paint the models you're waiting for.

How the hell do you go about building a fluffy but decent Black Templar list?

>>54875811

Woops, my bad. Still waiting on my Codex to show up in the mail so I didn't read it to verify. Sorry about that.

>>54875825
It's an abstraction, m8. Enemies aren't expected to be standing frozen during your turn, or all your shooting attacks would be auto hits as well.
Are you literally too autistic to grasp that?

>>54875825
Hitting something that is mobile and sees you coming is a lot harder than you think, anon.
Sure, plowing a crowd of people who don't see it coming like your heroes do is simple, but awareness makes it nearly impossible.

>>54875511
40 hits is approx 1/3 above what the mathhammer says they should be rolling, but I think I've been seriously underestimating what kind of damage they'll put out through sheer volume of S5 hits. A full squad of 20 rerolling ones should dish out 70 S5 hits, which is 32 dead Boyz even with a Painboy, or 30 dead Conscripts. I think they're perhaps the best anti-horde we have given they'll basically NOPE light vehicles or 3-4 termies too, but range limitations are kinda crippling. I don't think there's anything saying that Tesla doesn't trigger on Overwatch this edition, is there? Effective BS4 overwatch isn't bad.

As for the Fulgurites, I'm mostly worried that that many light infantry when I normally only have ten or so Vanguard just screams "Here, have a target for all your stormbolters, flamers, secondary dakka weapons like Crawler stubbers and AI squads". Probably will blob them up, though, since >>54875567 and because I REALLY want to mulch Guilliman or someone like him at some point, and ten would struggle to do that. They're there to Distraction Carnifex and be a big "No Melee Here" sign for smashy things that eat the Kastelans and Destroyers with their puny AP- attacks for dinner.

>>54875816
No true scotsman fallacy?

>>54875867
I get all of that, but that doesn't make it any more useful. At least you can ram buildings well, because melee attacks against buildings are auto-hits.

>>54875858
>HQ with crusader helm
>crusader squads
>land raider crusaders
>stormcrusade gunships
>crusadeator annihilators and crusadewinds

>>54875858
Tons of Land Raiders
Deep Striking Terminators
Crusader Rhino Rush

It really depends on what you want, personally I've been thinking of running small 5 man squads with a heavy bolter in a rhino and a ton of Terminators or Dreadnoughts which was something similar to what I used to do in 5th.

>>54875891
Not even that foolishness, they were not considered titan scale vehicles because they didn't have the same power, durability, or weapon strength.
They were on the same level as baneblades, which still needed a 2 to 1 advantage to reliably drop a warhound.

>>54875904
>I get all of that, but that doesn't make it any more useful
absorbing overwatch is huge. demanding vehicles to be dangerous in melee on their own is retarded, that's what walkers are for.

>>54875833
haven't played with/against them but on paper they look gross.

>>54875187
> Being this wrong

>>54875951
Eh, a Land Raider is actually plenty scary in melee, what with hitting on 5+ instead of 6+ and having 6 attacks. The Overwatch thing is clearly the main appeal, yes, but I would like to get at least a +1 to hit when tanks attack other tanks.

>>54874973
MAXIMUM OGRELOAD

Is a Knight Army pure bullshit in this game now?

>>54876051
Not total BS, they're just not fun to play against.

>>54876051
nope, it can be countered easily

>>54875003
I like to imagine that the generations living in a genestealer cult are usually the happiest people on the planet. This can last for centuries until the nids come.

>>54876051
>herewegoagain.jpg

>>54876068
Unless you play SoB.
Then you can see the knight player trying to hold the tears as you tear him a new asshole.

>>54874655
I have a list that will be nothing but the Primaris half od the Dark Imperium box, another unit of Intercessors, a Primaris Dread and a Repulsor led by Gabriel Angelos.

What else should I add to fill it out to 2k points? It'll barely be 1600 points all up.

>>54874973
A WAAAAGH TO REMEMBER

>>54874973

"Le Forced Meme II: Try Hard Strikes Again"

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>See battle report online
>has a lord of war

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Quick question - I'm thinking of buying a gorgon transport someone near me is selling for cheap but run GSC and usually everyone's on foot so...
> Can my cultists use it?
> Can they start the game in it?
Thanks in advance. Not worried about effectiveness, I mostly play for fluff, but my group do matched play.

I will re-ask my question.

So then, could a plaguecaster with a good short to mid ranged/melee bubble around him be an epidemic of win if accompanied by a Sorc?

>>54876088
The one time "Have you tried using 60 Multimeltas" is actually good advice.

>>54875214
Tell your friend a random guy on the internet hates him

>>54876091
More hellblasters would help, maybe a librarian too?

>>54876131
Just 18, more than enough to kill 3 knights, every SoB players brings at least 10 to every game.

>>54876083
The propaganda seems pretty effective. You probably think Tau are good guys, don't you?

>>54876106
I don't know shit about using allied transports as you can see so any help would be appreciated

>>54876160
Farsight enclaves are.

>>54876147
A librarian would be sick. Do you think hellblasters would really be worth it? I feel like I have enough plasma shooty in my list already.

Will be using Raven Guard tactics as well because it's basically the best tactics for primaris.

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guardfags btfo, mfw neither leaks for the pistol or the logo were for Necromunda and not for guard.

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can any anon with a new codex tell me anything about whether formations are included?

m-m-maybe a pic or something?

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>>54876187
None in 8th.

>>54876106
Transports tell you what models are allowed to ride in them. I am fairly certain the Gorgon cannot pack Genestealer Cult models. You could count your Neophytes as normal Astra Militarum Infantry Squads, though. Those it can transport.

>>54876170
Don't know much about those.

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>>54876178
Did you have a stroke part way into this sentence?

>>54876187
There is a total of 0 formations in 8th edition so far, and don't expect that number to increase.

>>54875003
For me its because
> I always liked genestealers
> I like crazy religious cults
> I started my "hills have eyes" style incestuous redneck themed stealer cult years before we got a new codex

>>54876187
No such thing as formations anymore and thank Christ for it.

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>>54876198
Oops wrong image.

>>54876187
8th has no formations.

>>54876198
>>54876187
>wanting cancer back

>>54876103
The knight did look cool but yes superheavies aren't fun

How long until khorne berzerkers don't benefit from Alpha Legion chapter tactics?
How would they even look? Like normal zerkers or alpha legion flavor?

>>54876202
Dammit, I run full close combat. Thanks anyway, at least I have 16 converted bullgryns I can cram in there

>>54875217
>>54875222
I heard Death Guard is shit, is that true?
Or is just the lack of codex?

>>54876205
They're the libertarian version of tau

So with smashfucker gone what's the best way to play Iron Hands?

>>54876178
God I hope they don't fuck Necromunda up. I mean, if they do it just like Bloodbowl, having a bunch of plastic kits for each faction and then later on giving it FW support, I can live with that.

>>54875003
Limousines

>>54876260
counts as alpha legion

>>54876260
Dreadnoughts.

>>54876212
That makes some sense. I wonder how many people choose their army because it's a type of villain that they like to see.

>>54876242
Why wouldn't they? There can be Berzekers from any legion, besides Death Guard, Thousand Sons and Emperor's Children.

>>54874973
Hamboigah Hill

>>54876249
They're pretty low tier.

Maybe Codex will fix it, but I doubt it. They're kinda tough but nothing special. They're slow and low damage though, which really kills them.

>>54876255
How do libertarian communists even work?

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>>54876260
I managed to shitstomp everyone at my FLGS with pic related.

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>>54875833
i played against them once in 7th they beat my ass and out did me in combat

>>54875685
I feel you need to jump through so many hoops for them to be Dangels.

Just call them a Raven Guard successor chapter and save the trouble of
>We don't have Deathwing because we accidentally 100+ suits of priceless Terminator Armour
>We don't have Ravenwing because we accidentally all our bikes

>>54876279
Thought they pledged fealty to khorne, not alpha legion, they shouldn't benefit from any chapter tactic really unless they were in a khorne detachment

>>54875003
I'm a giant whore for Lovecraftian horror, & it's basically Shadow Over Innsmouth, The Army. Doomsday cult that makes deal with ancient unstoppable horror, interbreeds to infiltrate local populace, subverts extant authority to gain shadow power. Fuck yeah.

It's also awesome that the cultists actually get to fight alongside their gods, who are real, & eating the unbelievers.

>>54876103
>See Guard batrep
>No Bullgryn, no Scions, no Conscript blobs
>2-3 infantry squads, a baneblade variant or Knight and some Lemans

Instant turn off. There are never Guard bat reps rushing the enemy with aggressive close range shooting, deep striking, overwhelming numbers and melee.

>>54875003
They're the lowest of the underdogs. Even guard have a better chance, at least they can become heroes of the imperium. The absolute best case for a cultist is they live long enough to raise a family of mutant kids and watch them get eaten by what they were expecting to be their salvation.

>>54875209
They're alright, not as fantastic as people say- they can hit like a truck, but you need at least ten for them to do so, and expect heavy losses of the bat.

They die to bolter and lasgun fire easily, so what I've found best is to keep them in your advancing 'line' in cover and out of LOS and soon as they get close push them straight into the enemy line so you can wipe a unit and grab that 3++. Even with that, stay away from guns, try to just hop combats- ideal situation is vs stuff like termies, since Str of attacks means nothing and lower chance of hits, the better. Great against Nids tho

>>54876327

Unless the codex really fucks this up, 8th can be a great edition for IG. Infantry are finally worth taking, so IG armies won't all be tank parking lots. I just hope they bring back the infantry blob, as there is really no reason to take a standard platoon right now when both scions and conscripts exist. Also, the chimera is utter shit now.

>>54876309
Could you be anymore WAAC?

>>54876291
like regular communism, but it's all voluntary.

>>54875003
I love how every reply to this is different. Their nature makes them very open to interpretation, considering their purpose and the variety and adaptability of the nids.

>>54874933
>laughing Dark Angels

>>54876384

You don't think voluntary participation in a redistributionist economy will incentivize takers to join disproportionately over producers?

>>54876384
So like regular communism until someone disagrees, in which case it becomes either regular communism or capitalism.

>>54876377
Exactly. Scions and Conscripts are perfect synergy. Bullgryn are really good now too.

>>54876173
Cant go wrong with hellblasters but maybe go reivers instead to emphasize the raven wing tactics (grapple hooks and bolters seems legit). The librarian is an easy conversion if you have the primaris lieutenant with powersword from the DI set

So what a goddamn minute, does the codex mean I can't ever make a Chaos Lord or Sorcerer on bike anymore? I can't even give them daemon steeds wtf.

Can I just use the Index entry instead?

>>54876407
I think for the tau, it naturally works, do to quirks of culture and biology.

>>54876441
Yes. GW has said that if it's not in the codex you may use the index.

>>54876441
Read the FAQs

>Seriously seems we need an 8e bingo

>>54876456

That's fair. A fictional race of aliens with magic technology might pull it off.

>>54876313
Not all successors are clones of their parent chapters, heck some were born to be the opposite

>>54875275
Nah, I always run pulse rifles for my strike teams. Then again, I always keep a fireblade and a pulse accelerator drone nearby, so...

>>54876441
DOOMRIDER SHALL NEVER BE STOPPED
Captcha: Select all squares with vehicles

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>tfw your opponent brings 2 baneblades to a 750 point game
what the fuck
I almost killed one though

>>54876466
So... they made a new codex and removed units from said codex that already exist. To then back track and say "lol its in the index"

New GW is just the old GW

What's the best way to equip veterans on bikes? Power Axes is what i was thinking.

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>>54876500

>>54875685
Only two companies of power armoured marines is reaaaaally pushing it. In fact, most of what you've said doesn't really make sense.
You say trade, but what are they getting in return for shafting themselves to the point where they'd get wiped out in any large scale conflict?
The DA have secret fortresses and foundries in the Rock and shit so they and all their successors have a shit tonne of terminator armour and other fun things

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>please help chaos

>>54874973
Gav and Bob Do Acadia

>>54876500
If it's not in the box then it's not in the codex. That's why autocannons aren't listed as weapons options for dreads in the new SM codex.

>>54876466
Sorry
>>54876464
>>54876492
Fuck yes. I ain't having that shit. Gotta have a zoomy dude doing zoomy shit.

Just got a clarification question though about battleforged and legion traits. It says detachments, so I can have multiple legion traits so long as each legion is contained within their own detachment?

Say an Iron Warriors battalion has their trait, and the Outrider detachment of Night Lords I brought also has theirs?

>>54876578
Yes.

>>54876474
Except that goes against the Unforgiven Umbrella.

Where Dark Angel Successor Chapters are successors in name only, they still report up to Azrael, only pretending to be chapters, but effectively a legion.

Now I'm not the biggest Dark Angel lore expert. But I can't imagine that if a Dark Angel chapter purposely said "Nah we're going to go do our own thing. And we gave away 100+ priceless suits of Terminator Armour. That the Dark Angel Legion wouldn't make them disappear.

While say a Raven Guard successor chapter that focuses on Scouts and low on supplies (forced to give Battle Brothers Scout Armour) is easier to follow.

>>54876555
>nothing but flamers and launchers for guard now
Fucking GW and their money hungry tactics

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>>54876536
No.

>>54876316
That's ridiculous, especially considering alpha legion had undercover possessed operatives who fooled/made a deal with their own daemon.

30k has canon alpha legion red butchers traitors (berserker terminators) too

>>54876525
Buddy does Hammers and Storm Shields.
Seems pretty good.

>>54876348
Fuck, they're starting to sound appealing, even to an Eldarfag like me. How do they play?

>>54876357
Yeah, I see a lot of relatively elite armies in my meta due to people really liking Terminators, Marines in general and big mechs. Last game I had was against DG, 1400 points had Leviathan, Plague Hulk, 5 Termies, 10 Plague Marines, a Rhino and 2 HQs. That's only 20 bodies for the whole army, and the only hordes seem to be Nids and Ork players. Also lots of Primaris, who struggle a bit against hordes unless they get their hands on multiple Redemptors and Repulsors. Inceptors will probably not quite cut it, since that's only four dead Priests.

Think there's a couple IG dudes, though. I'll have to be damned careful of them because they slaughter the Fulgs en masse.

>>54876495

That's possible? According to my index the cheapest Baneblade is 390 points without any wargear or guns at all, which would still be 780 points. Think you've been cheated, anon.

>>54876594
Interesting. I don't have enough units to make multiple detachments, but Patrol makes them quite easy to shove in to give a good unit a very good trait.

>>54876612
> to the daemon's horror, it realized it was the one being possessed the entire time

>>54876648
Shit, it might have been the thousand point game then.

I wish abilities were more interesting.

I know 7th edition was cancer, but it had some interesting abilities at least. Everything in 8e seems rather bland.

Like in 7e, harlequins had a unit that could determine the direction that people would flee in, if they fled. That was fun. Now you just get to pick the first model to die. Which is cool, don't get me wrong, but kind of less valuable now that there aren't any characters attached to units.

The Masque of Slaanesh is another good example. She got a lot of the unique flavor of her abilities drained.

It's still an overall improvement over 7th though.

>>54876680
Or it never happened you shitlord

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>Fire 4 lascannons at tervigon
>Only two wound
>Roll two 6's for damage
>Mfw

>>54876704
My Strongpoint MacroCannon used to force flyers to make grounding tests if they were inbetween the gun and the template.
I miss fun.

>>54876725
No it definitely happened, I was mildly salty about it.
He said afterwards he didn't expect it to work, for whatever reason.

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>>54876536
>know we're going to lose the campaign before it starts
>lose so hard even GW is suprised
Such is the nature of things

>>54876640
Theyre kind of a close combat glass cannon army. Unless you want to run vehicle spam youre relying on cult ambush to get close though, so they aren't reliable enough to be top tier, and will need guard or nid allies to take out flyers (although the faq makes simply eating everything on the ground viable).

They can be played as close combat guard or as rending spam. Massed rending is pretty fun.

>>54876785
I like glass cannons. Would using a swarm on the ground to ambush/eat/kill everything they can with a couple big bugs to deal with armor/flyers work?

What's a good number of lascannons to take for Space Marines? I've been taking 12 regularly.

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>>54876734
>my autocannon/LC predator managed to cripple a Spartan over 3 turns and survive the game
>a primaris librarian and lt managed to eat a genestealer charge, counter attack and then fall back
>had 10 hellblasters delete the swarm lord turn 1
>same 10 hellblasters killed 4 razorbacks in a different game
>10 intercessors beat up 3 lictors over 3 turns

>>54876811
More.

>>54876811
the better question is how fast are you killing vehicles, characters and monsters with your lascannons? i got 4 lascannon havocs that can't hit the side of a barn

Hey guys, trying to find a copy of the Black Legion by ADB, already checked the repository and no one has added it yet.

Has anyone a link for the latest Black Legion novel?

Much appreciated.

>>54876806
Should work, I think that's a pretty common tactic. I rarely play competitively though so I can't answer as well as others might be able to

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>>54876536
Well Xenos sure are helping.

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>>54876530
>>54876313

I can see your point. Was mainly looking for an excuse to field an army of scouts. And make a chapter that pracrically personifies my frustations with work.

I figured they would be trading their armor with other DA chapters in exchange for landspeeders, scout bikes, and whatever they'd need to requisition codex compliant air support like stormtalons/ravens/interceptors.

The idea worked a bit better for 7th ed when I could add a DA allied detachment of a Company Master in Terminator Armor as their Chapter Master with a DW command squad entourage.

If I were to run it, I think I'd have their Company Masters still wear power armor, but maybe replace 4-5 companies with Primaris to be used for when they have to engage without Astra Militarum support.

>>54876811
At that point I would suggest a captain/chapter master+lt combo

But I get away with 4 rerolling everything lascannons pretty well

Granted, it's because I have plasma for most vehicles

>>54876767
I think GW overestimates how popular chaos is. They live in a chaos bubble of chaos wank and chaos popularity

>>54876605
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Imperial-Guard-Cadian-with-Plasma-Gun-and-Meltagun

>>54876378
Pretty mediocre list to be crying WAAC about....

>>54876907
>not in the box

I just ordered a penitent engine. How much am I going to hate myself trying to assemble it?

>>54876870
Ha. After years of imperium fags pushing the "NPC race" meme, they can't beat the NPC race.

>>54876956
About as much as the sister of battle riding it.

>>54876956
amount spent x normal amount of self hatred

>>54876941
Neither are heavy weapons, because they're intended to be sold separately.

>>54874766
And how are you planning to keep your hive guard from just getting locked in combat?

>>54876956
Without extra bits
Body:
>pilot, front, back, two arm mount and leg mount
Arms:
>2 parts
Legs:
>2 parts

Nothing connects and needs a lot of greenstuff and pinning.

>>54876987
Cheaper than a dreadnaught.

Does anyone know a good resource for paper terrain that can be folded for easy transport?

Trying to dodge a car coming straight at you with intention is nearly impossible, if you try to run thr guy will just turn and easily track you.

A huge fucking tanks shouldn't hiting on 6s period.

>>54876978
>NPC memes
>mostly done by chaos fags
Funny thing all the Xeno points was done by Orks and all the Imperium points was done by SoB
Chaos only got those points by buying and painting.

>>54876956
they aren't bad, I do't know why the rumor is that they are

I just had some sharp point on the nubs of detail of mine, needed to file them down

>>54876998
yeah you're gonna need to pin and or use strong glue, I'm guess I'm 33 though, a lot of people don't remember assembling metal models

>>54876897
It just that it doesn't make sense for most factions to help morty, includes lots of CHAOS factions.

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>>54876536
PUSH LADS PUSH!

>>54877039
Even the recast are a bitch to assemble.

>>54877028
>Trying to dodge a car coming straight at you with intention is nearly impossible, if you try to run thr guy will just turn and easily track you.
Anon, I think you will find that is not the case irl. Do you drive yourself?

>>54876897
Or rather didn't think shit trough before launching a campaign where a faction got points for being popular.

>>54877039
How does it compare with the old metal eldar avatar and wraithlord? I never could get those to hold together properly.

>>54877028

Imperium tanks don't handle remotely like cars.
Skimmer/hover tanks however, probably should be pretty effective roadkillers, disappointed it isn't a proper game mechanic

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>Vostroyans finally come back in stock
>have to save for my car insurance payment next month
>already have 80 guardsmen

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>>54876870
>>54877053
>>54876536
The time has come and so have we.

>>54876871
Alrighty well you can still do your old idea from 7th. You can have a codex marines detachment and a DA one in the same army.
As for the swapping I still think it's a bit silly but they're your dudes at the end of the day. Go nuts man, drown the Emperor's foes in scouts and speeders

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Guys I just read Black Legion. It all makes sense now.

Abel and Cain. The birth of the End of Empires.
The rise of the Emperor and him finding a Golden Throne powered by a captured sun.
The Horus Hersey.
The ascension of Abaddon
The beginning of the End.

It's all connected. They have orchestrated it all since the very beginning. That's why they are laughing. It's their story. It's their cosmic play being played out to its horrible finale. We never stood a chance. We are fools, all of us. FOOOLS AHHHHHH!

>>54876378
not him but how is that waac ?

Just because people arent running Possessed with Daemon Engines, or hordes of Boys with some trukks or other mediocre lists doesnt mean that that one is waac,
Its not even that crazy really.

He could be spamming 6 Contemptors
or run guard with 8 Manticores and dozens of Conscripts

Just found it.

Black Legion 02 Aaron Dembski Bowden. Epub.
http://www116.zippyshare.com/v/TyoHWJnD/file.html

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For a case, would it work to put steel washers or something in the bases and put them on a magnetized sheet/pad in a case? I've tried putting magnets directly in the bases, and unless they're properly aligned they cause models to pull together and move when you don't want them to(Could damage paint as well, but I'm not super attatched to my paint jobs)
As well, where can I find good cases for models? I've got a Citadel Skirmish one I'm rapidly outgrowing, and I'll need more space soon enough.

>>54877188
I use tabletop tyrant, a lot of people swear by KR or battlefoam. Or feldherr I suppose.

>>54877113
I had no idea the Rock could make Terminator Armor and thought it was more rare than it apparnelty is. Thought it would make more sense than it does to have DA request a "decoy" successor chapter to restock their Terminator Armor, but oh well.

I'll probably do it anyway. If/when I get to it I'll post pictures or something. Thanks for the input, man.

Also, I seriously doubt it, but does anyone know if "Angels of the Aegis" is already taken for a chapter name?

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>>54877178
May the gods bless you!.

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>>54877096
Not yet

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>>54877231
The time to push just a bit further! Go go go

>>54876930
People who are bad at listbuilding/playing always cry waac when they see even basic competence.

>>54877231
>no one showed up last weekend for a game
>cant try my new codex
DAMN IT

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>>54877271
You could try a home game and report it in brother!

>>54877221
It's rare in that each chapter can be expected to have about 15-40 suits, depending on circumstances. That's like 28,000 in the entire galaxy, maybe bump it to 30,000 to include all the lost suits or inquisitors who have them.

30,000 suits of armor in an empire with over a million planets is really rare but when the only people who can use them number about a million, it's not unreasonable to keep 20 of them in stock

>>54876088
>>54876131
>"Now witness the firepower of these fully armed and operational Battle Sisters."

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Where does it say you can use pre game strategims more than once, like the alpha legion one that lets you basically pre game infiltrate a squad for one cp?

>>54877286
>>54877246
>>54877096
Is there any faction more cringe inducing than the Night Lords? Even the Dark Eldar have a sense of Fun™ with their edgyness.

>>54877231
They call that close? It was the same for both past worlds.

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>>54877324
I can hear it in my brain...

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>tfw logging all my victories in support of the Imperium just to btfo local Chaosfags

Is there any better feeling?

>>54876866
Alright. I'm not a big fan of the human tanks and vehicles, so I'm glad they're not really important. What kind of price would I be looking out for a solid 1000 pt list?

Are all bike white scars still viable in 8th ed?

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>>54877378
Doing the opposite!

>>54877221
Well to be honest it's half an asspull but there's hints at it anyway. The DA have to outfit their 200 odd dudes with the stuff and send out enough to keep all their successors' first companies in TDA and it's not like they're on great terms with the Admech to get it from them.
They do make successors for specific tasks so maybe a decoy chapter isn't such a bad idea after all. It would be like them to try and cover their trails and fudge the numbers
I've never heard of a chapter of that name so go for it, I'll keep an eye out for your progress if you ever get round to it

>>54877345
Honestly Slannesh anything because of the players mostly.

>>54877188
I am tempted to use fucking Velcro to bypass this same issue. Anyone try that yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWkrQQly6xU

rate my renegade warband

>Emperor's Children Successor Warband
>worship Doomrider specifically
>everything is Chaos Bikers
>every bike has wings strapped to it
>Biker Champions, Chaos Lords, and Sorcerer's are known to be granted wing mutations by Slaanesh
>they use these wings to make particularly sharp turns
>white and light pink colour scheme, on dark purple and black bikes
>almost all bikers take a chainsword into battle
>few bikers use bolt pistols to shoot down enemy units and guard the flanks of units
>almost as many bikers replace combi-bolters with assault special weapons
>small mercenary warband, usually works for their parent legion but can be hired by other legions
>all modelled so only one wheel is glued to the base so they can pop wheelies on the charge
>known for their loud engines, and the smell of burning promethium giving them away for miles
>Winged Hellstriders

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>>54877345
Take it back! soft brooding reeeeee

>>54877432
>Khorne players I've met are chill as fuck metalheads
>Nurgle players I've met are friendly and supportive
>Tzeentch players I've met are quiet and respectful
>The only Slaanesh player I've met was a pretentious asshole

>>54877469
the one I've met was super open about his love for Slaanesh outside of 40k talk and brought it up all the time. He was, in general, everything I hate about nerds in one big package (except he was fairly friendly).

>>54877298
The DA have around 200 men in their first company and each one has a suit of terminator armour. Their successors mightn't have quite that many in their companies but each marine will still have his own personal terminator suit. The DA make up around 15% of chapters so that's about 150 successors and 15,000 suits of terminator armour for the Unforgiven alone

What's with the sudden surge of NL shitposting again? I thought I was free to paint my lighting blueberries in peace.

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>>54877469
>>54877522
>Slaanesh players are obsessive to excess about their chosen faction
>perfectionists are pretentious assholes
clockwork

>>54877522
I have a friend who's like that with the anime One Piece. He's even considering decorating his Necrons to look like the main characters. He also gets triggered whenever someone compares it to any other shonen shit.

>>54877454

>Everything is on Bikes

Smart choice Anon Bikes are a go...

>almost all bikers take a chainsword into battle
>few bikers use bolt pistols to shoot down enemy units and guard the flanks of units
>almost as many bikers replace combi-bolters with assault special weapons

Wat are you doing.

Dude you fucking know that you can take special weapons and KEEP your Bike CombiBolter?

Also Bikes are perhaps the shootiest Unit you have aside from NoiseMarines or HB-Havocs and are absolutely mediocre in Closecombat as they have the same number of attacks as normal CSM.

I mean I guess youll never actually Use the Pistols so Swords are cool, but please for the love of chaos dont use them as dedicated assault units and dont replace their CombiBolters when you dont have to.

>>54877562
Night lord Tau? Tell us more!

Fuck it
Dubs pick my faction