Warhammer Fantasy General /wfg/

No Grail Knight fanfluff in this thread.

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Thoughts on the new map?

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>>54873459

Reminder that Bretonnia is the best greatest nation that The Lady ever gave this (warhammer) world

Remind that memtimes is false and that The Lady is not an e*f god

Reminder that Louen is hansyboy number#1 and that Beakie is a true friend of Men

Reminder that Bretonnian knights are actually kind and noble, not edgy meme reverse knights and that they are literally required to be so or The Lady will kill them and that their is literally no one in the world as noble and good-hearted as a grail knights and most knights of the realm

Remindet that classes are not inherently evil or wrong in any way

Reminder that the empire is full of false men who are greedy and naughty and they have lost the path of Sigmar

Reminder that Spain and Italy are meme nations with no lore and fake gods and they should be ignored instead of power creeped

Reminder that only betaboi cucks hate Bretonnia because they are the chads of the setting

Reminder Bretonnia has the largest and most aesthetic fleet in the old world

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>>54873486
>bretonnian gods
>bretonnian society
>bretonnian cavalry
>bretonnian chivalry
>bretonnian infantry
>bretonnian artillery

>>54873459
based

>>54873474
Dude grail knights literally melt vampires even though blood knights beat the shit out of them every time and the lady is actually an elf goddess using bretonnia to be a farm for athel loren.

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>>54873479
>Araby poster BTFO.
>Wood elves in Southlands
>Karak Zorn lives

Too bad Morathi doesn't start in Ghrond.

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>>54873479
We all know who are the "????".Also,after the rats ,I hope they add the tomb kings

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Brets are the strongest race.

>>54873474
Still wondering why TW WH doesn't have Pegasus Grail Knights. Are Royal Pegasus Knights supposed to be them? They've got the glowing lances.

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>>54873479
Also i like how CA adds obscure 1st edition faction, really shows how they care about setting.

>>54873526
I like that wood elves now exist out of athel loren spreading comfy corruption and forest waifus throughout the lands.

>>54873479
>Land of the dead
>Strygos Empire
>Necrarch Brotherhood
Nigga what? Where are Tomb Kings? Where's my man Settra?
Also shouldn't Strygos Empire be, y'know destroyed, and it's ruins in the badlands?

>>54873479
Most of it looks good, but I really dislike how they've shifted the Southlands to be underneath Uthuan. Might be fun from a gameplay perspective, but we all know it's supposed to be south of Tilea and Estalia, with a larger connection to the rest of the world than that tiny spit of land. And why are the Knights of Origo their own faction?

Kind of annoying how they're shifting lore for the sake of gameplay. The Southlands could have been included as a last addition to the Old World, as a 'you can still see lizardmen if you want' sort of DLC. And I'd rather they changed Hung to Heng or Hong than Mung.

>>54873479
I thought the Strigois Empire was originally in the badlands? I don't know much Strig lore, a lot of that Vamp/Tomb Kangz fluff is from after my time.

>Necrach

Better not use generic Vampire Lords

>>54873537
>Brets are the strongest race.
>A phalanx can easily destroy their best units

wew lad

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I made a really shitty meme.

>>54873586
>>54873586
all plans for later DLC.

>>54873579
gameplay comes before lore. you take a fat shit on the lore every time you press end turn after turn 0

>>54873593
>when the chad witch-king gets tricked to get into some fire to become a king

>>54873600
I'd still rather a stronger attempt to keep in line with the lore, especially since it was feasible - the Old World wasn't perfect, but there were no glaring flaws. And imagine how many new folks will get the wrong idea from this game's take on lore.

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Is there any established lore on the current situation in Averland? With Marius Leitdorf dead, it says in Sigmar's Heirs that the Leitdorf familiy and the Alptraum family are currently duking it out with the intrigue in order for someone to become the new Elector-Count of Averland, but are there any named and/or described members of these families?

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Would it make more sense to proxy Empire units with Landsknechts or Spanish Tercio?

I hope "Pirates of Sartosa" don't use retarded meme armies like the Pirates in Empire TW.

"themed" armies are fine but entire regiments of pirates is moronic. At least have marines or something.

>>54873526
>Ambivalent for dumb lizardmans
Meh
>Hate Skaven
Bleh
>Hate Elves
Fuck High Elves man
>Hate Really Elves
Fuck Dark Elves man

>Karak Zorn lives
Time to pre-order TWW2

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>>54873590
>run away from Goblins

>>54873633
the map was always askew
>bretonnia and TEB tiny in comparison to the empire.
Having half the map be empty water would be very bad for gameplay.

>>54873637
I can't remember which book it is, but there's an Empire novel in which the Reiksmarshal is co-ordinating a battle against some spiky goblin warboss and has to deal with Leitdorf's nephew or something. He keeps wondering if the guy is secrely bonkers.

>>54873593
Stop using the word meme wrong.

>>54873671
So insanity runs in the family? Neat

>>54873637
In a BL novel Marius's son becomes electrocunt and averheim is turned into le epik slaanesh shrine.

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>>54873516
>empire

>>54873479
That map looks wrong.

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>>54873645

>>54873664
Why would it be? It takes a few extra turns to get anywhere, compared to how some of those areas look like they can be crossed in a turn? They don't have to be exactly like in the lore just on the same ratio, rather than Ulthuan being right next to Naggaroth, the Southlands, and Albion all at the same time.

>>54873726
Empire doesn't use morions its Tilean thing.

>>54873633
What's wrong with the game's take on lore? The lore only serves as a backdrop for location, races, and hero and unit selection. It's not particularly important if a few things slide around. It's like looking for continuity errors in the background of a film. The time line and shifting of land masses isn't a big deal so long as the setting serves its purpose as a back drop to fantasy armies clashing.

>>54873764
>the shifting of landmasses isn't a big deal

>>54873777
Well it isn't. So the southlands are a little further west than on some other maps. Are you going to boycott the game and tell everyone they shouldn't buy it because this fantasy map is slightly different than another one?

>>54873830
>slightly different map
Ulthuan is where the empire should be in that map.

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>>54873486
>ladies with the best feet in the world
>chads as far as the eye can see

paradise

>>54873830
Boycotting and telling everyone not to buy it? Why would I do that?

I'm just mad that this is a change that they've made, a pretty major change, and they don't even give us the tools to fix it if we wanted to. This is something we have to accept even if we don't like it and know it's not in line with the lore. And the contrarian part of me is going to be frustrated to hear the praise that I know will be lavished on this map, and admittedly it gets most of the continents right even if they're in the wrong spots.

>>54873858
>filled with uglyass peasants

Elves have superior feet

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>>54873925
Uhh c'mon its not like Karl Franz jumps 10 meters while spinning hammer in air.

>>54873486
Nigga, those bretoncucks can't even make decent plate armour

>>54873637
Take a look at this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6rt5xw1o5m6utku/Averheim%20Electoral%20Crisis.docx

Quite a lot of it isn't canon, but it does incorporate all the details from the novels and sourcebooks, so it's probably the best we're going to get.

>>54874037
They have plate armor but with greathelms.

Speaking of Elector Cunts, what, canonically, happened to Talabheim's Helmut Feuerbach? Terror in Talebheim said that it was rumoured he was the victim of a coup but that never went anywhere afaik.

Did he just get listed as missing so people could make up a random Elector Count for their armies?

>>54874055
Tells about their technological level if best helmets they can make are glorified buckets
But I'm just jestin, they are alright.
Their horrible oppression of the peasants is non-canon, right?

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>>54873479
all the lands seem strangely distorted

the good thing is that I don't care about that enough considering I understand the necessities for gameplay compromises and my biased love for old goofy maps


I'd have expected oregon to be in naggaroth

also HYPE for new world colonies and the sentinels of xeti getting some love

>>54874270
They probably did it so they wouldn't have to awkwardly cut off Lustria and the Southlands.

>>54873479
Holy shit, did CA just add a bunch of obscure 2 ed shit?

http://www.solegends.com/citrr/1rr07oreons/index.htm

>>54873579
>And I'd rather they changed Hung to Heng or Hong than Mung.

The name of the Hung tribe to the North of Naggaroth is Mung iirc.

>>54873479
I have questions /wfg/.
Who are Kights of Origo, of The Flame(why do they own half of Araby?) and Thegans Crusaders?
Also, shouldn't Strygos Empire be in the badlands...and destroyed?

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>>54874009
Well no, but he is unusually large compared to other Empire units. Well, every Lord is for some reason. I guess they only recruit tall guys. Or it's a gameplay thing to make the Lords stand out, but you can also get a mod to change their size. I don't use it, but hey,
the option is there.

>>54874241
Come on man, don't take the buckets away from Bretonnians. It's all they have to make themselves feel special.

>>54874270
Oreon was in Southlands.
http://www.solegends.com/citrr/1rr07oreons/index.htm

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>>54874241
bretonnian peasants are officially happier than other peasants in the empire or wherever

you think everyone is middle class in this fantasy hell scape?

people get eaten by literal demons and youre worried about the tax policy. if anything bretonnia takes the protection of its lands and people more seriously than the empire

>>54874334
>Who are Knights of Origo
http://www.solegends.com/citrr/1rr02origo/index.htm

>>54873548
Sir John Tyreweld and the Knights of Origo...haven't seen those in a long time.

>>54874391
>thinks demons mean you shouldn't worry about tax policy
The presence of demons makes having a well defined and reasonable tax code EVEN MORE IMPORTANT.
Or else how will you feed the people fighting the demons?

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>>54874293
I still figure they could've included the Southlands as part of a seperate update, connected to the Old World or something. I mean, look at the Old World map - it had that empty land there that seemed to connect to the Southlands. Are they just going to edit that out now? Are they just squishing the map together so they can show off all the new stuff they're adding?

>>54874334
All I know about are the Knights of Origo is that they're a very old mercenary unit. Here's a link with their fluff.

http://www.solegends.com/citrr/1rr02origo/index.htm

I figured that the Strygos Empire was in the Badlands - there was that weird tower in the southern part, surrounded by swamp. I dunno what that's supposed to be now.

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>>54873479
>Strygos empire

LORE ADVANCEMENT
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>>54874391
>brainwashed means happy.

>>54874334
I'm pretty sure that aside from the Knights of Origo, the Knights in Araby are actually just stand-in factions, until they can create Araby proper.

>>54874446
taxes are used for a purpose you dumb shit. it pays for the army keeping literal demons and monsters from killing everyone

i bet youre European. shit talking the military and the cost of it all while being protected by the us military. no shit your taxes dont all get dumped into the military, youre being protected by someone elses

>>54873479
Too bad Arnheim is occupied by Druchii.
>Eataine too
Tyrion you had one job.

>>54874503
The fuck are you talking about even. I just said a reasonable tax policy is important to keep soldiers fed, you illiterate /pol/ mongoloid.

>>54874499
They would have to make up Lords from scratch, Al Muktar is not even arabian but from Empire.

>>54874547
Well, considering they're just NPC factions...get an Arabyan sounding name that was probably in the lore somewhere, call it good. Hell, seeing what else CA is willing to do, just bring back Jaffar and hope Disney doesn't notice.

>>54874540
bretonnia does have a tax policy. why would you bring it up then?

>>54874547
I think the Bretonnians in Araby Lands are supposed to be Crusader States, after they conquered them. Kinda lazy, but really cool lore continuity.

>>54874503
>i bet youre a Marienburger. shit talking the military and the cost of it all while being protected by the High Elf military. no shit your taxes dont all get dumped into the military, youre being protected by someone elses

>>54873479
are spine of sotek dwarfs?
what the fuck are they doing there?

>>54874617
Because this guy
>>54874391
said it was dumb to worry about tax policy when demons are eating people.

To which I said, no, it's MORE IMPORTANT to worry about tax policy when demons are eating people.

You need a relatively advanced and adaptable tax policy to deal with things like "oh, half the guys in my village exploded into tits, so the harvest is a little light this year".

>>54874619
Considering all the lore says Bretonnia up and left after the fighting was over and the Empire were the ones to stick around...I don't know, at least they're included somehow I guess. And if you don't like it, you can sail around as Bordelaux.

>>54874639
Map in armybook mentioned Cave of bearded skulls, there is also was Magnificent Sven.

>>54873479
>high elves
>dark elves
>?????
>lizardmen

>wood elves
>humans
>brets
>orcs
>dwarfs
>undead
>norse
>beastmen


holy shit this map is full of stuff to kill

>>54873479
It looks kind of weird, too evenly spaced or something. It reminds me of a Four Corners map from Civ.

I like the variety of factions and races though, it looks like it'll avoid some of the "you only fight one or two races for the whole game" thing from TWW1.

Is there any word on actual naval battles yet or will it still be autoresolve only?

>>54874767
>Is there any word on actual naval battles yet or will it still be autoresolve only?
they would have announced it if it wasn't autoresolve

>>54874547
>Al Muktar
>El Cid

At last I truly see.

>>54874817
That's lame. I was never a huge fan of naval battles anyway but it doesn't really make sense to have your map be like 40% water and not use that.

>>54874853
I seem to remember there was something to do with the man'o war licence being separate from the warhammer fantasy one or that other warhammer naval game in the making, corsair.

but I think it's mostly bullshit and they didn't want to move resources for it.
I bet they would be willingly to sell it as DLC at the end of it.

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Combined map for game 1 and 2. Some one photoshoped the two together.

>>54873925
>they don't even give us the tools to fix it if we wanted to
That's been my biggest issue with TWW so far. I just realized how limiting CA is being with mods in the last thread and it's a huge bummer, I have huge gripes about the animations and I was dying for a mod to tone down on how extravagant a lot of the fighting animations looked and desynch all of the undead units' movements. Mods were the only thing that made Rome 2 playable for the first two years after release and even though TWW is a vastly superior game there are still some nit picks I have that could have easily been fixed with proper mod support.

>>54874547
So?
Also have Jaffar. If Azhag is back then death is of little consequence.

>>54874991
Much better.

>>54874578
Is Jaffar as a name common domain? I'd like to say if it is, Disney had no case, but then again, they are the reason why copyright keeps getting extended.

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>>54874853
To be fair, Warhammer at least has some naval variety (submarines, floating castles, sea monsters, ghost ships, giant orc-powered drills) and some crossover with the regular units (gyrocopters, dragons, dark elf corsairs).

But I suppose at that point, it's a whole new game.

>>54874991
Still looks a bit off because now Nagashizzar seems too far away.

>>54874991
I'd be pretty okay with that.

>>54874991
That's not bad but the border between the badlands and nehekhara is fucked.

They're not going to be able to just stitch the maps together, there will have to be some shimmying about.

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>>54873479
First two are Mors and Pestilens. Clans following need to be in alphabetical order and fit the number of characters per.

4
> Mors (vying for K8P)
> Flem (Southlands?)
> Gnaw (Badlands)
> Klaw (Island of Blood)
> Krik (???)
> Skab (Nuln)

5
> Eshin (right behind you)
> Famin (???)
> Grikk (dead)
> Mange (???)
> Rikek (killed by Nagash)
> Skaul (???)
> Skitr (???)
> Skrat (???)
> Volkn (Fire Mountains)
> Vruzz (???)

6
> Skryre (Skavenblight)
> Ektrik (Foul Peak)
> Feesik (Southlands)
> Ferrik (Worlds Edge Mtns.)
> Fester (Ubersreik)
> Gratzz (???)
> Gritak (enslaved by Mors)
> Gritus (???)
> Liskit (???)
> Makris (dead)
> Mawrrl (???)
> Merkit (Southlands)
> Rictus (Crookback Mountain)
> Rikket (Spineport)
> Septik (Southlands)
> Spittl (Lustria)
> Skrapp (Putrid Swamp)
> Skully (???)
> Skurvy (Spineport)

7
> Moulder (Hell Pit)
> Carrion (???)
> Gowjyer (Nuln)
> Grutnik (???)
> Kreepus (Gnaw Pit)
> Krizzor (???)
> Mordkin (Badlands)
> Scruten (Marienburg)
> Skuttle (???)
> Sleekit (???)
> Vrrtkin (???)

8
> Gangrous (???)
> Morbidus (???)
> Verminus (???)

9
> Pestilens (Southlands/Lustria)
> Corpulent (???)
> Crooktail (Northern Wastes)

10
> Treecherik (???)
11
> Skitterbite (???)
12
> Festerlingus (dead)
> Gristlecrack (???)
13
> Skrittlespike (Skavenblight)

>>54874270
They need to add in Belacuck already so he can be sent SCREAMING back to the aethyr WITH ROCKS

>>54875069
Now that you mention that I'd have been perfectly fine if TWW2 had been focused on expanding the Old World section of the map, adding Skaven and Tomb Kings, Araby, etc. and waiting for CA to figure out how to implement proper naval combat for Ulthuan and the New World map in TWW3

>>54874391
>Gambia

More like 'no white man will care,' dude.

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>>54873486

>>54875170
I don't think naval combat is needed, honestly. And it'd be so complex with the different tech levels of factions, and making them all distinct but feasible...I can see why they'd drop it.

>>54873925
It might be this is the TWW2 map only. When you combine them both, it reverts to the actual map.

If someone asks you if they can use one of their Warhammer armies project armies in a game against you, would you accept or tell them to piss off?

>>54873479
Weird that they moved notAfrica so far west.

>>54875277
That's probably the case for the super grand campaign they said they were going to release after launch. Not that I'm 100% on how well that will work since the current map and presumably the second are already so large that it gets cumbersome going for total annihalation.

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Arabyan roster based off Warmaster with some logical conclusions(camel gunners means hand gunners) and CA magic

LLs:
Prince Ali
Raisuli the Magnificent

Lords:
Emir - Noble lord, general equivalent
Chieftain - Tribal leader with dual magic/melee role

Heros:
Champion - Melee hero, captain equivalent
Sheikh - Buffs leadership and melee stats, decent melee
Wizard - Magic caster, Djinn summoner

Infantry:
Bowmen
Gunners
Naftatuns
Spearmen
Corsairs - Cheap anti-infantry
Dervishes - Unbreakable AP anti-infantry
Guards - Elite AP anti-infantry
Eunochs - Elite anti-large
Hashashins - Expert Stalk and vanguard

Cavalry:
Arabyan Knights - Knights of the Realm equivalent
Desert Riders - Light cav
Cataphract Camels - See Arabyan Knights, causes fear to horses
Camel Riders - See Desert Riders, causes fear to horses
Armored War Elephants - See RTW/M2, javelinmen on howdahs
Chariots
Carpet Riders
Horse Archers
Camel Gunners - See Shaturnal Gunners
Elephant Cannons - See M2(It'd be pretty pathetic if fantasy didn't get these, but "history" did)
Elephant Rocket Artillery - See above

Artillery:
Catapults
Cannons
Rockets

I expect Tomb Kings and Araby to become DLC because there are no other real choices for the second game.

>>54875024
Death is of little consequence, but Azhag is actually alive circa 2502, when the game technically starts.

I told you guys about that map two weeks ago, anyway here is the DLC coming for Warhammer 2.

1.Tomb Kings.
2.Araby
3.Albion
4. Vampire Coast
5.Dogs of War

Lord Packs
Tehenhauin
Clan Pestilens

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>>54875473
this, almost everything is correct in the time line as far as whos alive

>>54875473
I thought it was vague on when he lived intentionally.

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>>54875679
>araby
>albion
>still no kislev

>>54875690
I really need to take a better photo of that artwork

What would be the result if another Vampire were to drink some of Aborash's blood?

Would they gain the same benefits that he has?

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>>54875719
>werewolves now in game
>we will get werebears for kislev

stay strong comrade

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>>54875762
lets see if this is good enough

>>54875719
Kislev will be game 3 I think.

>>54875847
There was a book where Vampires did that, at least in terms of bloodlines - I believe a Lahmian got the strength of a Strigoi. But as far as I understand, that book was pretty questionable in terms of lore.

>>54875873
That's a damn good art in so many ways.

>>54875131
So can someone tell me about the leader of Clan Mors, I mean Queek is his attack rat of sorts, but what do we know about Gnadwell himself?

>>54876124
Almost nothing, but even Queek bared his throat and was terrified of him, so he's probably quite scary

>>54876060
>There was a book where Vampires did that, at least in terms of bloodlines - I believe a Lahmian got the strength of a Strigoi. But as far as I understand, that book was pretty questionable in terms of lore.
Hrm, be useful if true, he could just let anyone wanting to become a Blood Dragon have a taste and that'd be that.

Can I get a source on that one?

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>>54876060
>That's a damn good art in so many ways.
You wouldn't believe me if I said he still does artworks for GW, so more extreme became his style compared to that piece.

it's Kevin Chin, he draws some ugly faces and I bet a lot of pieces are rushed out these days, but I love his dynamism and plasticity with concepts.

>>54873479
>Albion just visible in the top right
I've been wondering when that was gonna turn up.

>>54876282
>Kevin Chin
>the guy he drew has a massive chin
Huh.

>>54876282
I really get what you mean by the dynamism - the Bretonnian really looks like he's rushing forward and swinging his sword, and the Keeper of Secrets looks like it's leaping down. I don't know why the White Lion is swinging his axes around, but they feel like they have weight and heft.

I especially like the earlier piece because it gives a good look at Bretonnian armor, and the Keeeper of Secrets looks suspiciously elven or fae to me. And there's also the shield and skulls on the tree in the background that I've only just noticed.

>>54873486

But we Tileans have PICKES

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>>54875873
OTTA MY WAY DAEMON FUCKING SHITS

How do dwarves reconcile the existance of chaos dwarfs given how much they brag their loyalty, wholesomeness etc. Do they even acknowledge them? Or are they given the skaven treatment of LALALA DOESNT EXIST

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>>54876560

>>54876505
>when you fight the Norscans so hard that they all leave your city as a sign of respect

I like to headcanon that a lot of Norscan mercenaries end up in L'Anguille because of that ancient respect.

>>54876560
They acknowledge them, but only in a 'we hate them and want to grudge the fuck out of them' sense. They actively try to prevent other races from learning anything about Chaos Dwarves, though this isn't too hard since they're stuck beyond the World's Edge Mountains. Basically never try to talk to a dwarf about them, it's like spitting on their beard.

>>54876560
As far as I know, they acnkowledge them, but will likely beat you up if you remind them that they exist

>>54875719
literal game 3 bait.

>>54873486
remember when the lineage of your best grail knight went to shit?

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>>54876723
oh sorry dear but im alive and well sweetie

>>54873459
Ah, relevant thread pic.

Time we had a stab at the age-old question, gentlemen. One that has occupied the darkest recesses of the mind since the concept was first known.

How *do* Morathi and her son get it on? Is there some kind of special hinge built into his armour, and a flask of special cream she uses to dull the pains of his burns long enough for them to do it, or is it something more abstract? Submerged up to their necks in vats of drugged-up blood while their spirits merge overhead as daemons claw at them?

Let's hear your suggestions. Don't be shy.

>>54877092
face sitting. why do you think she never got pregnant?

>>54877092
A simple strapon

Or Slaanesh magic, that should work

>>54873479
Is this map legit? source?

>>54877131
He's got the spikiest hat in the entire world, mate. She slips and she'll get her fucking legs cut off.

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>>54877092

>>54877092
I imagine morathi just sort of dances on his codpiece while he grooms on his throne

>>54877092
Is Malekith stuck in his armor, or is it just extremely painful to be outside of it?

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>>54873486
>Viscount d’Alembençon, was the Viscount of Couronne who defeated the Empire's greatest swordsman in single combat.
>Before d’Alembençon could kill his opponent, the sound of cannonfire surrounded the field. The Empire had betrayed their deal, Helborg had agreed to the duel as a distraction, he did not want the battle to end unless it was a victory for the Empire. Shocked and enraged at the sight of his men being blown apart, d’Alembençon was disarmed by Helborg and decapitated, but not before hissing the word "Faithless" at the Reiksmarshal
>this is what passes for one of the greatest knights of the empire

why is the empire full of such traitorous cur? are empire beta boys mad that chad bret knights are hollowing out all the elven maidens while they are stuck with hairy dwarven single moms?

>>54874853
Too complex, this is land battles like fantasy warhammer.

Most total war games did not have naval battles either, first started in... empire? Then shogun 2, rome 2, atilla.

It was fine without naval battles, if anything i hardly ever played them, they were boring for the most part.

>>54876025
That would make sense. If >>54875679
Is to be believed, we're left short ogres and demons, so if we go east of the old world we're looking at probably ogres, Kislev, Demons, and dare I say it, Chaos Dwarfs. Potentially Ind, Cathay, and Nippon as well.

>>54877376
It would be extremely painful.

>>54877092

Mind fuckery, both powerful casters, they merge their souls or some shit. You know when you where kneeling shitting your armour in front of the witch king as you told him some bad news? And the were relieved that you survived, not knowing your luck? well, he was having sex with his mom right then, so was distracted.

You owe your life to him being busting a mental nut with his mom right there, in front of the whole court.

>>54877376
Both. And also neither. Nobody seems entirely sure.

>>54877410
Because sometimes it's really hard to be honorable and play fair, especially when the rest of the world isn't.

>>54877092
Magic drugs, I suppose. Cold One slime deadens nerve endings so you can't feel pleasure or pain, so maybe he slathers that on before going to bone town and willpowers himself to orgasm.

>>54877425
It'd be neat if they decided to revisit naval combat once the land game is complete.

I'm also one of those weirdos who actually liked the Woof Elf mini-campaign. So I'd like to see an Albion one that is what it was in the real life campaign on it. Every army fighting on a tiny island for control of the Old One artifacts there.

>>54876625
Bretonnia doesn't use mercenaries.

http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5935

>5th edition Chaos Dwarfs list exists
>someone has it

We need to find this list.

>>54877410
No, it's why the empire is still alive while Bretonnia is still pissing around pretending to be elves.
You try holding up such childish notions against beastmen, orcs, constant norse raids, dwarves getting pissy, elves, and your cunt neighbor every single fucking day in and out no stop no vacation.

>>54877644
>>54877528
Which of them do you think usually initiates their encounters? Can't be easy for Morathi to get excited by a humanoid piece of jerky wrapped in tinfoil and spikes, and I doubt it's much easier for him what's inside the spikes and so on to get it up either.

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>>54877629
dont you ever respond to one of my posts again you filth

PRAISE THE LADY

>>54877728
I'll take it in hand.

>>54877662
Mini-campaigns would be much better if they weren't just bits cut out of the larger map.

Albion would be great as a kind of Warhammer Battle Royale, so you have a real excuse to have Ogres fighting Dark Elves or whatever.

I'd like to see a three-way Karak Eight Peaks campaign too, with most of the battles taking place underground. Unfortunately The King and the Warlord already exists so maybe they won't revisit that scenario.

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>>54877733
bretonnia fights literally all the same enemies the empire does and is also around the same size

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>>54877410
d' Alembencon fought valiantly, d'Alembencon fought nobly, d'Alembencon fought honorably. And d'Alembencon died.

There is no honor, you dumb cunt.

>>54873479
>all those obscure factions
>no amazons
feelsbadman

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>>54877799
>in memetimes bretonnia lasted longer than the empire and even had an escape world set up

heh

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>yfw Skeggi will have Mammoths in the jungle

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>>54877867
>memetimes

But not into Age of Smegmar.

>>54877774
Who knows, they might release a full modding kit once TW:W3 is done and fully released.

>>54877903
>implying thats a bad thing

>>54877906
Yeah, and maybe they'll release a FLC where Morathi gets her tits out and the Witch Elf units moan organically in close combat.

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>>54873479

>All those ???????
>This close to release and STILL not announcing the ratmen

AAAAAAAAAA FUCK OGG CA YOU MEME LOVING FUCKS

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>>54877944
>moan organically

>>54877677
Not on the tabletop, no. But in Knights of the Grail you can justify it for WHRP. And while I get it's a characterizing thing, it also kind of damned them on the tabletop - other factions could at least in theory bring thousands of combinations to the table, and Bretonnians only had their base army.

>>54874853
They don't own the rights

>>54877978
Not again.

This is past me's fault, he set up the autocorrect on this so it wouldn't let me use any raunchy words. He thought it was funny, the prick.

>>54874991
So predictions on how they'll handle this?

>The "one big map" is actually the two maps split up, you have to move your army to a magic arrow button that opens a long loading screen to the other, AI calculation of how well your cities on the other map defend.

>>54877960
I've got a bet going with a friend of mine that this entire thing is actually a massive bluff on CA's part and that they're gonna release Tomb Kings instead.

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>>54877944
>surrounding friendly units in 40m range: +34 weapon strength, +14 charge bonus, +15 leadership
>surrounding enemy units in 40m range: -28 melee defense, -18 melee attack

>>54873479
>Araby just straight up removed
really nigs the noggin'

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>>54877978
>I'm not gay
>I just like getting fucked by men while dressed like a girl
>because my cousin raped me because I looked like my sister
>and I fell in love with him
This fucking trap I swear.

>>54878044
>new trailer comes out
>shows a rat crawling among some long-dead skeletons, seems to be leaving a trail of disease and corruption
>something shiny and green is in the distance that it's crawling towards
>suddenly a bronze spear slams down onto it, impaling the rat
>a Tomb King walks out from the darkness, the glowing green light being revealed as his eyes
>he mutters something in an ancient tongue that's translated in subtitles to 'desecrating tomb robbers'
>brief fade to black
>cuts outside to a bunch of Norscan raiders getting slammed into by a bunch of Tomb Kings units
>unable to relate any more of the future video because far too turned on to keep focused

>>54878048
>removed
>coasts of Araby
>pirates
>land of assasins
It's not like the country is actually unified.

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>>54877728
The thread is old, but one forum member who has it and sounds willing to share seems to be still active.

Is there someone who's got an account on there to PM the Cdorf?

If anything we can also ask Toumas himsels about the file.

>>54878026
>So predictions on how they'll handle this?


They will just make a complete map at thr expense of number of territories and subfactions

>>54878086
Ahah, my thoughts exactly, anon. I would cack myself laughing if I turned out to be right with this one.

>>54878087
those are literally Bretonnian factions

>>54878107
I thought it got given to this Xander guy what seems to run the site?

I've been having a look, but I've not been able to find it just yet.

>>54878195
Really?
Well fug.

>>54878066
Whoa, wait, Kaname's plot advanced again? I thought it was over and he never mentioned why?

>>54878208
It's a temporary thing, dude.

>>54878195
They might just be stand-ins, like how the Skaelings and Vargs got (mostly) replaced by full-blown Norscans, or some other minor factions that got replaced by DLC.

>but if they're supposed to be Arabyans in the future, why aren't they a half-thrown together faction like the Brets were until their DLC?

I dunno, but I can't see some vague crusader states that were never mentioned in the lore (as far as I know) as being a permanent thing. And I imagine Brets might be surprisingly close to Arabyans in tactics and units in some ways, like how the Empire is a 'good enough' stand-in for a proper Kislev army.

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>>54877960
you reddit rats are getting what you asked
except for the hellpit abomination
too many charlemagnes

>>54878208

Arabshitters got CRUSADE'D

Hopefully CA will make them DLC to satisfy their hunger.

>mfw unleashing the Ark of Souls upon mortal usurpers within 4-8 months

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>>54878264
>mfw i forgot mfw

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Is this a canon map and does anyone have a better resolution version of it? At least one that's readable

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>>54878284

>>54878240
Sucks we'll never get a real Kislev faction, but I can see the logic behind it. Put a load of effort into a faction that gets pretty much destroyed half way through of the game and even if it doesn't it won't be able to do shit against the storm of chaos on top of the fact it wouldn't really make sense for them to conquer Empire/Norsica.

>>54878490
It'd be neat if Kislev and the Norse Dwarfs had their own victory conditions to survive for a certain time. I like the last stand feel that they got going for them.

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>>54878341
>Is this a canon map
No

>>54878490
We might get Kislev at some point. When they were announcing Norsca, they did specifically deny that it was Kislev off the bat, so they must know people want it.

>>54878536
Where do they have to expand to, though? And what sort of allies/starting enemies would they have (like how the Empire has the secessionists)?

>>54878596
Maybe Kislev could occupy Norsca settlements?

Has a god ever been corrupted in warhammer or 40k?

>>54878728

Isha

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>>54878596
> enemies
Norscan tribes, Kurgan hordes, Throgg seeking to reclaim his lair, the Red Eye tribe (which should be lead by Azhag), and eventually the brunt of the Chaos incursion.

> allies
Maybe split Kislev into three (Praag and Erengrad) and have them confederate. Maybe not. Either way, it's not about expanding, it's about surviving.

>>54878728
You can't corrupt a god with chaos if they're themselves made of chaos.
All gods are chaos gods.

>>54878728
gods get eaten or replaced usually, I don't think there are slow corruptions in the canon.
but it would make sense for such a thing to happen: as concepts fade and get distorted into new ideas influenced by others so gods may get reshaped by the presence of others.

the problem with this is that the minor gods in a way can be described already as "corruptions" of the major conceptual entities so when there's a retaliation you get the vore stuff as mentioned before instead of a counter corruption.

that's my take anyway.

>>54878768
>Either way, it's not about expanding, it's about surviving.
Be a bit of a deviation from the usual playstyle, wouldn't it? Are there any other playable factions where the onus isn't on expanding through conquering your enemies and confederating with your allies?

>>54878832
Chaos dwarves?

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>>54877092
He simply has his dick slip into into her vagina, after all most of Dark Elfs are his bastards.

>>54878862
If I had to bet on a campaign mechanic for chaos dwarves it would be to get as many slaves as possible through far away raids or get drown from the inside by slave rebellions and enemies vindication crusades.

>>54878919
>married to every single sorceress
>blue-cunts them to bang his mom instead

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>>54878898
oh shit

call the witch hunter

>>54878919
why are morathi's hands and feet so disgustingly dirty?

>>54878898

DELET THIS RIGHT NOW

>>54878961
It's a sex thing.

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>>54877733
>You try holding up such childish notions against beastmen, orcs, constant norse raids, dwarves getting pissy, elves, and your cunt neighbor every single fucking day in and out no stop no vacation.

are you just oblivious about the setting you are arguing about? do you even know where bretonnia is for fucks sake? or is this a i was only pretending to be retarded post?

they fight against all of that and more

actually a main difference between the two is that bretonnia is rather united and the empire faggots keeps backstabbing and fighting against one another

>>54879003
>wood elves keep the place clear of beastmen
>orcs are a tiny force in the massif orcal
>norscans are focused on the empire because lolchaos.
>dwarfs are too few to anything.

Bretonnia is soft as hell.

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>>54877223
>She slips and she'll get her fucking legs cut off.
Well that only makes it more fun, doesn't it? I know people IRL who've done similar stuff.

>>54878087
Gotta leave some content for DLCs and the third game.

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>>54879015
none of that is true. what point are you trying to make by spewing your fan fiction?

are you just embarrassed for being a fucking idiot?

>>54878961
She's been walking around in a fucking H*gh Elf city. It's amazing she isn't dirtier.

>>54879048
>actually bretonnia stronk, which is why it survived the end times, not because it was too irrelevent to the plot.
Reminder that the last time bretonnia launched a crusade into the empire, they got shot and went home.

>>54878536
I feel a little sad that I meet them so late into the campaign, unless I'm playing as a faction out to destroy them. In one Empire campaign, I wasted entire armies trying to save the last Norse Dwarf hold from annihilation, and all I could really get out of it is an alliance with a rump state. And fucking Kislev is always all 'nah let's not be friends, cold heads lol' and refuses to stop fighting their neighbors even when Chaos starts storming in. Then again, all Empire states do that.

>>54878832
Technically Bretonnia? They don't have to conquer as much, just unite Bretonnia. Most of the time you end up at least conquering Marienburg, if not Nordland and Middenland, but you can play an entire game never really conquering outside of Bretonnia's boundaries, especially as Bordelaux.

>>54877376
In the Curse of Khaine in a flashback they literally nail the pieces of armor to him

>>54879070
ah i see you are an age of smegma poster. i think your in the wrong thread m8

>>54878919
>begone thot

>>54878961
She's been burned and twisted somewhat by working with dark magic, despite being able to artificially maintain her youth and beauty.

>>54877476
4u

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>>54878898
Shut it down!

>>54879104
Yeah, marius leitdorf and the fortress of helmgart are something from AoS.

>>54877867
Because they were literally propped up by the best vampire ever.

Also, at least the empire tried to stop the end times, Brets just got slaughtered like chumps

>>54878898
fucking turks.

>>54879003
>they fight against weakened versions because the bulk of evil is focused on the empire
So dashing.

>>54879018
what am I looking at?

no, wait, don't reply, I'm not sure I want the answer.

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>>54877960
>Clan Moulder has three arms

Now that's called attention to detail

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>>54879149
that wasnt a crusade. it was a single duke and some of his knights trying to storm a castle

between the two, only the empire has lost land to bretonnia, they used to have a province west of the grey mountains

>>54879168
the bulk of evil is focused on kislev actually. and bretonnia gets most dark elf and wood elf shit

the empire is protected on 3 of its 4 sides with semi-allies

very heroic

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>>54879202

>The pestilens guy is bleeding a different color

*Wet couch-chuckle noises*

>>54879215
>all villages in the empire have to be walled
>going outside is liable to get you killed by beastmen
Meanwhile bretonnia is so soft that many of its best fighters can afford to go faff about to drink from a cup that their elf they think is a god came into and the bulk of their fighting is done by their navy.

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>>54877960

>>54879215
>between the two, only the empire has lost land to bretonnia, they used to have a province west of the grey mountains
Sigismund the Conquerer took the Westmark in ~500 IC, roughly 500 years before Bretonnia even existed.

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>>54879286
i think youre literally retarded at this point

bretonnia is the place where everything has to be walled, thats why its a nation of castles

anyway im done talking to you. youre truly a moron

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>arguing about which nation of living bloodcattle is better

That's cute.

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Who /saltyroleplayer/ here?

>>54879428
>all that griping at retcons at this point considered ye olde background

Funny thing is, I agree on most points.

>>54874270
>Webm
>all this slow mo to show off the animation
>Hand is not actually gripping
Wew

>>54879346
>nation of castles
>to pen dumbass peasants in.
lmao.

>>54879346
>truly a moron
>from the lad who defends the land where people are so stupid they can't tell an elf apart from a fairy
Wew.

>>54879545
People don't change - I remember seeing people griping about the changes from Daggerfall to Morrowind, when now Morrowind is lauded as something like the best game in TES.

Still, it's interesting seeing some of the things he's mad about, especially since I have little to no experience with the previous edition of lore he thinks is best. The Old Ones have always been around when I've looked at Warhammer, Bretonnia as Bourbon France is ancient history to me (I wonder how he would've taken 6th ed's take on grimdarking up Bretonnia), Carroburg has always been a city-state to me and I don't know why he feels Sudenburg is so important, and he keeps complaining about Warhammer taking on a high fantasy feel when nowadays it's considered rather gritty compared to other settings. And I'm a little amused that he blamed pygmies disappearing on Burgerland sensibilities.

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I am mad, mad about Bretonnians!

>>54879669
>I don't know why he feels Sudenburg is so important
It's Sudenland, AKA Solland. Which was a genuine fuck-up, but it worked out ok in the end.

Warhammer 4th/5th was pretty high fantasy and cartoony, so I get the annoyance. 6th was a lot more balanced in that way, but by that point a lot of the damage had already been done to the original setting.

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Khorne is no
longer portrayed a
s a bloodthirsty god whose only want is
the blood of others, but
instead as a god of martial pride and honour.
This diminishes the background a lot, and
is in itself a rather strange thought

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Okay, quick question, CA made a short story about a skink called yukannadozat ,who is not allowed to look into a telescope, that gets to talk with mazdamuni, but plot aside, during the talk mazdamundi makes a reference about a race that shouldn't get its hands over the plaque they were talking about: they were called the KHANX; in the same speech he referred to what I assume are the high elves as "island-serfs" or something like that, so I think they are not this race.

who are the KHANX?
another tidbit is that the story tells the old ones having a name for the cosmic entities that FORMED the great enemy, and said name getting shouted by a norscan raider; is the great enemy the chaos gods? if so which cosmic entities created the chaos gods? I'm getting confused here.

>>54879677
Worst part is, he has a point - even now, after Bretonnian lore has had decades to settle, it still feels rather bland compared to the Empire, at least in an WHRP sense. Only thing is, I have no idea if older Bretonnian lore is actually any good on that score. But he is still salty as fuck, and I do personally prefer the Arthurian Brets, with perhaps some vague Sun King undertones in their past. I know it's an independent magazine, but that does not feel like an unbiased article trying to find some good points, that's a fan being mad.

>>54879733
So Sudenland used to be one of the major provinces, instead of just a name tacked on to be taken out in the Empire's history? That's kind of cool, even if I wish we had more of that background still included with their new 'they got destroyed' fluff.

So what was 3rd and previous editions of Warhammer like? He makes it sound dark, and from what little I know of 5th edition it is a lot brighter and happier, but is 3rd and before dark in the 'smear grimdark on it and call it good' way that 6th onward was, or was it in a different way?

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>>54879898
The thing about Sudenland is that the map of the Empire in The Enemy Within had the bottom cut off. Pic related.
This had the effect that everyone just forgot it existed. And they forgot it existed so much that by 4th edition they forgot to put it in the damn army book.

>>54879677
Is Sun King actually Louen's father and predecessor in later lore?

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>>54879865

>"island-serfs"

Imagine how fucking insulted and butthurt the elves would be at this. They probably can't even conceive that there could be a civilization capable of out-snobbing them. Malekith might pop a vein.

>who are the KHANX?

Tomb Khanx of course

But seriously, considering the races available in the game, it's probably the skaven. Dark Elves are likely also called island-serfs-who-got-out-of-their-designated-area

>>54879898
>Only thing is, I have no idea if older Bretonnian lore is actually any good on that score.

It isn't. It's just gay, boring just-pre-revolutionary France. It basically existed to be a butt monkey nation.

"Modern" Bretonnia did need more flavor even after Knights of the Grail, but it had an interesting and unique character despite being mythologically derivative and was no one's fool.

Tell of Araby please WHFG?

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>>54879977
>>54879865

*flying pepe meditates in the general direction of ulthuan*
>looks like those ear niggers are praying to their little gods or whatever they are called again
>all the skinks start laughing and holding up their fingers to the sides of their head to mimic ear while hopping around in a circle like some african witch doctor shit

>>54880142
Brown people that live in mostly independent city-states and their kings are stupidly wealthy thanks to trade with the north and east. Expect vast harems.
Love to enslave other people, but nothing in their scant lore says they're as bad as the skaven, chaos warriors, or dark elves.
Apparently they don't shy away from necromancy so they know when a vampire is afoot.

>>54880142
Here's a good lore video for summing up what scant lore there is about Araby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfoZ1xOBwkw

No, but seriously, it's pretty much fantasy Arabia. They're more advanced scientifically than most of the Old World, control a lot of the trade with the distant East, and have djinn and stuff.

>>54880142

Basically just muslims, but have a more stereotypical arabian nights aesthetic to them.

Only remarkable thing about them is that their wizards work on the basis of enslaving demons by binding them to objects (this bound demon is what they call djinn) and use them as a pool of magic in their land where the winds of magic flow at their weakest.

>>54880215
A thing to add, Araby is part of the southlands, not the old world.

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So how are they going to differentiate Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts beyond one having actual ranged units?

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>>54880274
For one you don't raise the troops from the enemy

For two sphinxes and chariots

>>54880264
Oh yeah, their positioning is mostly along what in the real world would be North Africa, but they don't seem to take anything culturally from those regions beyond some pirate activity. Something of a wasted opportunity, but ah well.

>>54880274
Tomb Keks are neutral aligned while Vampire Counts are outright malevolent.

>>54880274
Chariots. They'll also have Lore of Light spells instead of Vampires.

>>54880318

Man I hope they don't make Settra glow blue for the sake of contrast, I always picture him as a golden beacon shining like the sun.

As much as End Times sucks that one picture of him battling Nagash engraved itself in my mind.

>>54873659
>"Let 'em tell da King. Da east belongs to da Orcs. Da east belongs to Morglum. Da east is green."
>"Da east is green."
How the fuck does Grimgor (more like Dim-gor) get more press than this guy?

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>>54880434
>Lore of Light spells instead of Vampires

No mid-battle summons then? Maybe they'll throw them a second lore like Nehekaran Necromancy, or the Lore of Nagash or something.

>>54880442
Settra and Khalida are given for Legendary Lords. Is there any other notable TK that they could add?

>>54880471
He doesn't do speeches, he doesn't have a grand goal.
Grimgor just kills people, all else be damned.

>>54880481

Apophas, maybe Phar if they wanna pull another Alberic.

Some delusional people think Arkhan will be part of the faction, but it's obvious he'll have a Vampire Counts type army (if he even appears)

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>>54880523
Phar is badass, but I don't see how he's like Alberic. He's more like how they set up Todbringer.

>>54880481
Arkhan the Black, Herald Nekaph, Hieorophant Khatep, Prince Apophas

>>54880545

I just love that fucking skull flail.

>>54880577
They would break easily unless they are made of metal.

>>54880577
Tomb Kings are hands down the most stylish faction. Hopefullw CW keeps all that bling.

>>54880597

The story clearly showed that it was enchanted to be on fire and scream at you as it was swung.

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>>54880547
>Prince Apophas
That'd be a good one just because he's not a generic mummy with a big hat. he's a bunch of scarabs with a big hat.

>>54880632
How would you even animate that, since he's a bunch of bugs? It'd be like animating a unit in formation, but with a single individual.

>>54880659
Same as smoke.

>>54880659
Maybe just a low-detail black "core" covered up with textures and some particle effects.

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What would the rules for pikemen rather than spearmen be like?

>>54880696
Fight in a bonus two ranks, cavalry gets no bonuses for charging the front.

>>54879865
T O M B
K H A N X

>>54880696
Probably kind of like Pikemen were used in Medieval 2 and Empire, I'd guess. They get a special pike wall formation.

>>54879015
Every fucking spring Orion goes on a murder rampage through Bretonnia. They get raided by Dark Elves, Norscans and Sartosa pirates all the time. Beastmen fare just about as common in their woods as scary ass elves and murderhobo spirits. Orcs come out of nowhere all the time. Tomb Kings are likely after them more than the Empire thanks to all the questing knights who thought that golden cup looked nice. And unlike the Empire(I think) they aren't in denial about the Skaven.

>>54873777
"Whoops my bad guys."
- Mazdemundi

>>54877842
I know. But they'd likely have to create a whole new force of all woman. Hopefully they'll add them in a later update, and one of the messages you get in Lustria is that your scouts are being attacked by woman in skimpy underwear.

>>54880965
>"NO SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG"

>>54880897
Yes, and bretonnia does fine with orion rampaging around because they are good little goys.
>raided by dark elves
so does the empire.
>raided by norscans
so does the empire.
>sartosa.
no comment.
>beastmen
Bretonnia doesn't have any forest comparable to the drakwald and is predominantly farmland.
>orcs everywhere
based around the massif orcal and tiny pockets in the vaults. Meanwhile the empire fights regular incursions from the south, west and east against waaaghs that the dwarfs can't stop.
>tombkings
and the empire deals with vampires more regularly than bretonnia.
>empire in denial.
The empire denies that the ratmen exist as a seperate species to the general public. Witch hunters and the powers that be know that skaven exist.

>>54878044
I have been hoping that would happen myself. And honestly it makes sense when you consider where Skavenblight is.

>>54880696

Requires Two Hands, Fight in Extra Ranks (3).

Units charging a unit of Pikement to their front are subject to the Always Strikes Last special rule in the first round of close combat. Models aremd with pikes get a +1 S bonus on the turn they are charged by anythign except infantry, swarms and unique units. These special rules don't apply to units fighting the Pikemen's flank or rear.

Is there a reason to ever take huntsmen over archers?

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>>54880897
I think the Bretonnians are fully aware of the skaven, yes - or at least they don't care if anyone knows about them. They don't seem to have near as much interaction with them though, aside from the plague that came with Merovech going insane.

>>54881064
What about orcs in the Grey Mountains? It can't be just dwarves in there.

Can you confederate Wintertooth under Norsca?

>>54878341
having a central valley all along the scape is perverse

>tfw still no Ogre Kingdoms
>most likely wont get to play them until the next game

H-Haha..

>>54882993
>where the ogre kingdoms are supposed to be, it's Bretonnia
>where the chaos dwarves are supposed to be, it's Bretonnia
>where the empire is supposed to be, it's Bretonnia
>where Bretonnia is supposed to be, it's just orcs and goblins

>>54882993
Ogre Kingdoms in Bannerlord first

>>54883292
TWW3 will came next year.

>>54883316
TWWH1 May 24 2016
TWWH2 Sept 17 2017
TWWH3 Jan 10 2018
s-surely Bonerlord will come out before then

>>54883338
2019* TWWH3

>>54883345
I don't think daemons, fat mongols and spiky midgets are as complex to make as elves, lizardmen and skaven.

>>54883364
right but the latter three are much more marketable/sexy

>>54883364
If arabs are too complex then who knows.

>>54883364
Listen, Sega demands 15 DLC to be sold inbetween games and it'll cause a more delayed 3rd game. Expect Chorfs in 2020.

>>54883374
>Implying slaanesh daemons are not sexy
I hate Slaanesh but i know its cheesecake bait.

>>54883380
Arabs have next to none models, lore and characters, less than Kislev, Moot and Norsca.

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>>54883364
If spikey midgets are so easy to make, why didn't GW keep making more of them?

>>54879930
I only now realize that even though it's based on the HRE it looks like pre-Trianon Hungary

>>54883426
They still keep making them unlike Brets or Tomb Kings under FW.

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>>54883414
>no models

They had that whole Warmaster army. That's more than Norsca ever had. I think the main reason they included a Norscan army was because they knew they wanted to separate them from other Marauders.

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>>54877899

>>54883457
Norsca had lists in early editions plus characters and Mammoths, monsters also could be aligned to any chaos faction.

How do Bretonnian cities work without a middle class of burgers?

>>54878026
or they make theaters like they did in empire

>>54881156
Pikemen did not have the strike last rule.
Regular initiative against normal stuff. Strike first against cav and big stuff.

>>54880218
>religion is now ethnicy.

>>54879832
>Khorne
>honour
Wtf?

>>54883949
People take 3e fluff from Realm of Chaos as holy book about good aspects of chaos gods.

>>54873479
>Mung.

We have some Hungs coming guys.
Hopefully (allthough not at all likely) they won't just be a copy of Norsca pre-dlc.

>>54883949
>>54883980
Khorne always has some level of martial honour even in recent stuff, too. Egil Styrbjorn, after nearly crushing Bretonnia entirely, had such a good duel against a grail knight that he decided to give the Bretonnians time to fix their shit just so he could come back for another, greater war. Most Khornates are all about the angry axe-murderer aspects of the deal though.

>>54883457
Norsca, while irrelevant on the tabletop, is just between the Chaos wastes and the Empire. Besides, it has a big presence in the New World

It makes sense to flesh them out first, as they work for both the first and second game