Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

where black legion at

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>>54863252
>SoB are a hard counter to Knights

2nd for diabolic S only targets a single model

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>>54863281
Anon we're not a legion anymore

>>54863252
Grey Knight-Custode ghost hybrids when?

They can be extra special snowflakes once the Primaris run their course and GW needs more shiny superhumans to sell without going full Golden Men-Emperor clones army.

>>54863288
Re posting lets hear it folks!

Wrong OP image you asshat

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>>54863252
>mfw 4 Psilencers in Purgator Squads are actually useful now

>>54863298
Secret son of the Emperor that he fathered with Malcador when? We need a new heir that demonstrates the progressive attitudes of M41 and GW

>>54863324
No they aren't, sadly. 24 S5 AP-1 shots seems tempting, but the issue I've seen is everything where that AP-1/D3 damage looks best is T6+, and usually with at least a 3+, which just curbstomps killiness. I'm playing against Nids on Tuesday though, I'll be sure to report if they prove we'll there, I think they can.


Great for TEQs that don't have a good invuln, though, but aside from regular terminators, nid stuff, and maybe some bullgryns/nurgle it's slim pickins. Oh but it looks funny against Deldar

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>Necromunda returns before plastic Sisters of Battle

So I mean,

If I run a Tzeentch Heldrake I can run that in my Tzeentch daemons list and keep allegiance?

Are Pirahnas any good in practice? I love the model aesthetically, and was thinking of adding a bunch more and putting fusion blasters on them to use them as roving anti-tank.

Currently working on a infantry heavy admech list, but: Is there any viability in it?
Current troops list consisting of:

2x 5 rangers, 2 arquebuse, omnispex
2x 10 vanguard, 3 plasmas, tether
2x 5 vanguard, 2 arc rifles

The general idea is to have them march in some kind of formation, supported by heavies, buffed by priests for overcharged plasma shots. Perhaps with one or two onagers with eradication beamers. Split them up in two cohorts and stuff.
For more shenanigans they'll be supported by a vindicare assa.
Maybe infiltrators plus a hard core of bots and onagers in the back? Change the cohort onagers with kataphrons?
Trying to reproduce the roman maniple fluff.

I think the meta will fuck me in the ass though.

Thoughts? Tips for additional models appreciated.

>>54863409
Damn right, but rumors about 4th quarter box are building, and as cash-grabby AND now media-conscious as geedubs now is they've heard the cries

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>>54863403
Come at us with that weak shit nigga!

>>54863419
Yes, though it isn't like there are any benefits for it at the moment

>>54863419
Heldrakes are cool looking as fuck what are the hopes that they get a chapter approved buff or some shit?

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>>54863409
i mean you got THREE models before necromunda got some

>>54863409
I don't get the people who want plastic sisters. Surely if you play SoB you already have miniatures.

>>54863420
They were very fun in 7th. Don't know about 8e because I got rid of my tau army when it became apparent that tau would never get another non battlesuit release

>>54863456
There are always new people coming into the game, and non-plastic SoB greatly deter anyone who might think about playing them.

>>54863403
S5 AP-1 is the magic stat for weapons they wound everything in the game on a 5+ or better and the AP-1 is good enough hurt hordes or make fun of MEQ

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Played a 2000pt game against some CSM today /tg/ what do are you up to?
And is anyone up for a batrep?
Share game pics too if you got them

>>54863473
GGA v Magnus

Please share

>>54863456
It's nice to have updated plastic sculpts with more options. The old SoB sculpts are pretty fucking bad honestly and show their age against even less recent stuff like the current CSM sculpts that are over a decade old..

>>54863487
Interesting misquote on my part
>>54863481
please share

>>54863481
What the fuck is that Magnus paintjob?

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>>54863428
>my shitty silver marinelets shooting THEIR MIND kills your heavy transport no problem
Git fucked faggot

>>54863421
Get prepared to get raped, Skitarii spam is unviable due to HQ requirements, unless you say fuck it to CPs all together (but even then, you suck.)

If the Codex gives you straight AP-1 Rangers, maybe they'll be worthwhile, but as is the best I could recommend is two basic destroyer squads flanked by 4-5 units of vanguard. Call it a scorpion maniple or something.

>>54863456
>why would anyone want new models
>you would already have those old models from decads ago
New stuff with new hats is enough for people. Reason why GW can get away by doing the "TF2 Hat" equivalente for some armies

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Any rumors on next few army books?

>>54863428
Why the fuck would DE fight 'Nids?
They get literally nothing from it

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Ok I think Im going to repurpose my Sentinels, Russes and Infantry for a Genestealer Cult list, how does this shit look?

2000pts, Genestealer Brigade

>HQ

Acolyte Iconward
Primus
2x Magus [2x Familiars]

>Elite

3x Genestealers[Scything Talons, 7x Genestealers]

>Troops

6x Neophyte Hybrids [10 Neophytes, 2x Webbers, Leader with Webber, Cult Icon] 3 squads will have autoguns and the other 3 with Shotguns

>Fast Attack

3x Scout Sentinels [2x Scout Sentinels, Autocannons]

>Heavy Support

Leman Russ [Battle cannon, 3x Heavy Bolters]
Leman Russ [Battle cannon, 3x Heavy Bolters]
Leman Russ [Exterminator Autocannon, 3x Heavy Bolters]

I think it might be lacking in anti-tank but I dont there is much in the codex.

>>54863481
Painting up a GK Chaplain conversion. No camera, so imagine Draigo's body with a skull helmet, GK storm bolter arm and crozius arcanum.

>>54863326
If the stats are right and the model is awesome....not sure if my /pol/ side could resist.

>>54863516
That picture is from fracture of Beil-Tan and the DE harvested and bred nids from Validor for the arena.

>>54863516
DE show up on planet to raid, nids are busy eating everything, DE shoot nids to stop them from eating the shit they want.

>>54863479
To each his own I guess. It's overkill for anything short of a primaris, and though it CAN wound on a 5+ against vehicles, it's still dealing like 5 wounds at best against standard T6+/3+ target.

>>54863516
Real spectacular fodder beast to fight against in their arenas. The crowd love that kind of spectacle. That it's kind of a stupid and suicidal thing to do only makes it better.

>>54863504
HQ requirements? Shit, sounded so cool on paper..

>>54863526
How can you not have a camera in year of our Lord 803+1214?

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>>54863481
Casual Guardsmen Quest: Day 7
Fatigues and armor touched up but only on lasguns. When details are finally done I move on to replicate the process with officers and special weapons. Unknown how I will handle Heavy. Might remove before basing.

>>54863252
>Tfw you can't physically bring yourself to buy anything hobby wise at the moment.

I have the money, but I simply cant find the motivation. I was even offered one side of the starter kit for 50$ but I just cant. I need some motivation. I hope IG or Admech get a release soon.

>>54863551
>>54863546
>>54863543
Ahh, there are spectators in the background

>>54863524
The background 'nids get cuter the more i look at this picture

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>>54863543
This.

>>54863547
The main reason psilencers are so good is that they are cheap as fuck.
Its a 2 point upgrade from a storm bolter.
2 fucking points.

Help a babby make a list

>lord kaldor draigo
>grand master voldus

>paladin ancient
>4 paladins

>5 terminators
>5 terminators
>10 strike squad

>Stormraven gunship (basic)
>razorback (assault cannons)

>6 interceptor squad

I don't know what I'm doing, and their are many sanctic brothers. Aid me if you please

>>54863516
Gorillion arenabeasts and testsubjects for haemonculi? The sheer thrill of it?

>>54863504
Oh wait, okay...im working altogether on a battalion list though, -1 cp for vindicare gives me 5...are cp so much of a game changer? I might even be able to squeeze in a brigade on 2k lists with those six troop choices

What makes skitarii this bad?

>>54863252
GK Terminators are at least some of the very few obsec terminators in the game

Doesn't really make them Paladin tier but they're...okay

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What's their action movie called again?

>>54863565
A combination of stubbornness, medium income, and laziness.

Basically don't want to abandon my trusty old phone, and don't want to spend effort going out and buying a camera or something when I could spend that time painting or reading instead.

>>54863622
Game Ogre.

>>54863597
Totes. Only problem is you have to burn 2CP on that shit, and even then it doesn't do a ton of goodness. I guess in my mind it just seems impractical when you can have S8/AP-2 psycannons rolling around.

So yeah it's cheap, it just seems so niche I can't imagine building a list around it, especially when stormbolter one costs 2CP and is just hilarious at dakkatime, but now it does occur to me they aren't really that different- you trade 40 shots for 24 and d3 damage, but pay a good deal less too. Neato, it's still unwieldy but at least it does look fun. Good points man

Why do starports exist in the 41st millenium? Couldn't you just land your shit anywhere with flat terrain?

Have any books been published that follow a group of Scions or the story revolves around them at least?

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>>54863499
>>54863481
We played the FoK mission for today with lots of terrain because I am a merciful opponent. He brought Thousand Sons+Magnus and a Helldrake with Warptalons. I brought Creed and Pask to wreak havoc for glorious fallen Cadia. He got first turn brought Maggy and the Helldrake up with some Termies and Obliterators deepstriking in. His shooting phase was uneventful with only a Chimera getting damaged. And he charged Magnus into the conscripts.

>>54863665
>Why do airports exist in the 21st century? Couldn't you just land your shit anywhere with flat terrain?

>>54863605
They're a bit too expensive to spam and spamming plasma is only the real way for them to reliably kill MEQs. GW kinda fucked them with the new rad poisoning rule and raking the AP away from Galvanic rifles.

>>54863665
Space ships are built in such a way that they already start to fall apart because of gravitational forces before they even landed. Not to mention the huge amounts of energy that would be required to get them back into space.

>>54863674
Redemption Corps, a bit dry but a good read nonetheless.

>>54863622
Three Ogryn

>>54863702
Thanks

>>54863605
Yeah, you can do it, just don't expect great things. The problem with Skitarii is 1) they're really, really, overcosted, 2) the army doesn't work together AT ALL, 3) units are either badass (Onager, boops, fulgurites), flat-out unuseable (Ruststalkers, rangers, sydonians) or just ok (vanguard, infiltrators)

Its weird, cause from the outside their Codex(es) in 7th translate seamlessly rules AND cost-wise, yet GW hiked everything and made it all... weird. Like a really horrible combo of ultra-niche/specific and totally bland and flavorless. They can do well though if played right, watch a batrep or two, he'll ask one of the actual Admech players.

>>54863516
>nid hivemind
>capture a nid
>wait for imperials to fuck up a hive fleet on the other side of the galaxy
>gain a decade to your life span as the anguish of defeat spreads throughout the hivemind

>>54863712
I suddenly see George Clooney in that left one

>>54863409
I just need FW to rerelease the Repressor kit already.

>>54863622

Full Metal Ogreload.

>>54863730
Anon, I...Im so sorry...

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>>54863681
>Guardsmen are thrown in the air and torn apart by the Daemon Primarch.
But the conscripts with the help of their Commissar held the line even inflicting some damage on Magnus. With the Primarch engaged the rest of the army turned and wiped out the Terminators and Obliterators In a hail of plasma and tank shells. The Traitor Primarch would be a lot more difficult to bring down though.

>>54863456

Variety: The variety of poses for the metal models is pretty limited. Plastic kits would offer more variety.

Flexibility: It can be difficult (Sisters Superior with certain gear) or impossible (seraphim with inferno pistols) to find metal models with exactly the loadout you're looking for. Plastic SoB would make it easier for me to play the army I want without resorting to "counts as."

Cost: The metal SoB models are pretty expensive for what you get.

>>54863730
Just make your own or buy a recast.
I would show mine, but they are horribly unfinished and badly painted

>>54863745
>Charging Magnus into conshits

Just ... why ? Why would some one ever think that is a good idea ?

>>54863765
>it looks awesome/badass
That is a good enough reason

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>>54863758
>I would show mine

>>54863765
Classic Overcompensating Chaoscucks
also
>Magnus making good decisions

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>>54863598
Its getting late for me here, and I'm getting tired...
But lets have a go anyway:

Turn the Terminators into Paladins
Drop the Interceptors
Grab an apothecary for your paladins if you find the points.
Give your strikes a second razorback.
Get a purgation squad (or two).

Paladins get Hammerhand.
The Ancient gets sanctuary, casts it on the most endangered paladin unit.
Strikes get Gate or hammerhand.
Draigo gets Sanctuary and purge soul
Voldus is the warlord, gets Gate, vortex, astral aim (just incase, you cast it on the paladins) and sanctuary or purge soul, just for redundancy.

Give the ancient his relic banner, i guess, d6 mortal wounds is pretty good once you get close enough.
Otherwise just give him a soul glaive or something.
Psilencers > Psycannons
Swords/halberds on Paladins, flachions on PAGK
Also, consider one warding stave per squad for a 3+inv in cc when stacked with sanctuary
Stormraven should be antitank
Dont forget your daemonhammers
....Feel like I'm forgetting something...yawn

Eh, whatever, goodnight, may the emprah protect.

>>54863723
Dragoons are ok against guard and such where their -1 to hit fucks with their shooting a lot and the lack of AP doesn't hurt too bad.

Hopefully the codex gives Vanguards back their old rad poisoning rule, rangers get -1 ap, dragoons get an extra attack, let sniper dragoons ignore the to hit penalty when moving, make cognis not literally useless.

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>>54863745
He called a unit of Warp Talons down from orbit and they charged in killing a bunch of their hated loyalist foes in melee. With their warlord bringing down many through the power of his warp sorcery.

>>54863783
Can GK ancients have anything else than a single Falchion ?

>>54863765
>hurr hurr foolish mortals, prepare to face the wrath of Magnus!
>8 conscripts die. The rest attack and deal some wounds.
>IG player's turn, use Fix Bayonets on the Conscripts. Deal some more wounds.
>fight phase 2, spend cc to go first. Deal some more wounds.
>Magnus is starting to get worried.

>>54863465
I feel you. Battlesuits are literally the least interesting part of the army to me. I wonder what other things you could do with their infantry that they don't already have covered though? Unless more auxiliaries.

>>54863651
Im not even talking about he stratagem, just 4 psilencers in my purgation squad have been tearing up shit in my games, nothing but S4 ap- and d3 damage.
I shit over a carnifex spam list in my last game, they took down 3 of the buggers by teleporting around the board with Gate and kiting them to death.

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>>54863765
It made me happy he took the bait anon. He could have killed a Russ but murdering filthy peasants was more fun.
>>54863789
They were soon wiped out by a corrosive chem cannon and Magnus suffered heavily under Guard fire.
Also have any of you anons used Creed? I upgraded my company commander to him this game and it turned out pretty good.

>>54863252
So Newcromunda basically confirms that GW is just going to upsize basic humans into making the Primaris embiggening pointless, aren't they?

>>54863783
See i hate terminator overcosting (or maybe love paladin undercosting? Either way), but I need 3 troops for the command points.

I like the idea of purgation and a second razorback, though. Maybe use scions or something to free up points and get a cheap batallion Detachment?

>>54863809
... i think they can grab a gun

Yea no, just falchions or a gun

>>54863838
Aren't the models in 25mm bases?

>>54863853
goliaths look like theyre on 30s but theyre goliaths

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>>54863836
He followed this up by dropping more Warp Talons who would die in the exact same way. Magnus killed a Russ after suffering a bunch of wounds to conscripts and next turn I was not kind to him as all of my Russes turned and opened fire.

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Me and my friends are gonna have an Only War campaign soon. My character is a Tech-Priest Enginseer, my friend is a guardsman weapon specialist whose weapon of choice is a las sniper rifle. We're gonna have him negotiate to receive it instead of a lousy lasgun at the start of the game, and I want to step in and help him, but I was wondering if I as a Tech-Priest am allowed to even have a say in it? I don't know how much authority Tech-Priests have. The Regiment I'm assigned to is expendable and pretty much penal, my character is kind of a disliked among other AdMech on Mars because he's a sarcastic asshole.

>>54863826
I was really hoping we'd get a super heavy skimmer but instead we got stuck with the stormsurge. As for infantry. I would have loved to see more auxiliaries. Or at least more options for the auxiliaries we already have.

>>54863844
Termies aint worth the command points over paladins, you're getting 2 rerolls for the overcosted shit that are GK terminators.
If you want command points, get more strikes, or like you said, use scions or conshits or smth to get more command points.

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>>54861887
I tried, and basically failed. Other anon is king of explosions. Best I've got is smoke and lens-flair.

What kits would /tg/ use to make decent Night Lords Berserkers?
The Zerker kit is so ugly

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>>54863838
Nobody should be surprised by this. Specially with AoS as an example.

>>54863838
Eh. Wait till we see figs with proper scale reference.

>>54863838
I dont think so, the Escher are on 25mm and Goliath seem to be on 32mm, which isnt an issue because they're vat grown muscled freaks.

For the Escher minis you have to take into account that they're also wearing stupid big high heels which will make the model taller but I dont think they'll be bigger than Sisters of Silence.

>>54863870
With a paint job like that it is only right and proper if he goes down like a little bitch.

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>>54863865
This look like 25mm or Amazones

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Rate my 1k CSM list

Patrool detachment
Hq
Lord in terminator armor (power fist+ combiplasma) 132pts
20man CSM (2 plasmaguns and 1 combi-plasma) 301pts
5 chosen (4 meltas+ power fist and plasmagun chempion) 175

Supreme commander detachment
sorcerer with stave 104
sorcerer with stave 104
Lord with power axe and combi-melta 98pts
Lord with power axe and plasma pistol 86pts

1000pts/1000pts
Dont know which artifacts will be good

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>>54863870
Pretty much everything fired on him and he got reduced to 3 wounds. With the rest of the army footslogging behind him Magnus might have a chance to escape.
He doesn't

>>54863882
Ah, okay. Are termies MAYBE worth it for Obsec?

At the same time every other troop has Obsec, so 50/50 I guess

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>>54863896
>>54863901

>>54863622
Uhruld and Quomire Go To White Bastion.

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>>54863645
>>54863737

>>54863917
>>54863901
These resemble FW's painting more than GW's.

Now I'm nervous.

>>54863888
Thunder armor with mkv helmets

>>54863421
Admech infantry, while excellent, is really crippled by their pointcost, unit size, and the troop slots. 10 points for either skitarii unit make them very expensive. This puts them at the cost of Stormtroopers, 6 points more expensive than a IG squad, 1 point more than SoB and 3 points less than Tacticals.

What the Skitarii have over the others is their Assault 3 Las-guns with D2 on a six, a 4+ save, along with access to Plas. Caliver, Omnispex, Data tether and Arc Rifles, along with the Canticles.

So, overall, pretty comparable to Storm Troopers. The problem arises when it comes to the rest of the army, and their support.

IG, SM and SoB have access to transports; Skitarii do not, so get used to foot slogging.

IG have numbers to mitigate losses, and Comissars to help stop LD problems. Both SoB and SM have armor to help, and ways to help mitigate LD problems. We have to pay for our LD mitigation, along with being capped at 10.

We are also stuck at Patrol level, unless we shell out another 135 of our points on another over priced Dominus, so only 3 troops for us. Which also means they compete with the Kataphrons, which are the Superior troop choice.

The Admech just suffers overall from too much in troops and elites, with too little in FA and HQ.

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>>54863897
>>54863911
The mighty Magnus, lord of the Thousand Sons and Tzeentch's greatest pawn,goes down to an exploding Demolisher. I'm not kidding either he wanted to roll for his own model after I rolled the 3 for mortal wounds and got the same result as well. And with that the Traitors are almost broken.

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>>54863937
Indeed the painting looks odd as balls

If anything I'll end with DCA, Arco-Flagellants and/or Acolytes count as models

>>54863622
Mon'Keigh Business III: Fate of Konor

>>54863937
Looks like the artist was trying some loaded brush technique. (I'm trying to learn how to apply it to minis because I've got the basic execution down on large surfaces, now I need to translate it to minis.

Does having the JET PACK keyword actually do anything or is FLY the only important one in that respect?

>>54863952
they look about the same size as scions

>>54863952
is this a boy or a girl? this is important

>>54863976
Prevent getting inside transport

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>>54863951
Other highlights include the Ministorum Priest going St.George and fighting the Helldrake in melee with both sides completely whiffing each other.

>>54863951
>he wanted to roll for his own model
kek sore loser

>>54863481
>Conscript blob with Commissar
I hope you didn't spend too much money on that when that inevitably gets axed by GW in your codex.

But still, that Magnus paint job is embarassing.

>>54863976
They fall to Hydra fire all the same, xeno scum

>>54863976
Jet pack units can't fit in transports I think?

>>54863912
All other troops have obsec now, so no, since like you said, you could just use scions, like you suggested.
If you wanted to stay pure GK, termi's are still overcosted and useless, since strikes can hold objectives as well, but cost half as much as a terminator. Here's the part where I ask you: would you rather have 5 terminators on an objective, or 10 strikes, who have the option to split into two 5man units in order to contest 2 objectives instead of just one, probably while being cheaper.

Obsec units dont need to be tough or strong, they need to be cheap and numerous.
Gk terminators are neither. Gw fucked up balance, there is currently no reason to take terminators when you could take paladins.
Paladins will beat an equal amount of points worth of Terminators in a 1v1 scenario, even if the terminators charge first.

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>>54863982
No idea, but this gun is clearly a boy

>>54863982
>is this a boy or a girl?
clearly male
note the bulge on top of the masculine feature

>>54863996
Looks like he barely even put Some Color(tm) on them

>>54863937
It's like Blood Bowl. There will be a plastic box set, but further support and models will be handled by Forgeworld.

>>54863992
I enjoy seeing your work but you make me miss RGG. Have we heard from him?

>>54863289
Anything that isn't daemons are a hard counter to gay knights

>>54864006
Forgot to add, strikes also beat their points worth in terminators.
Its sad, really.

>>54863952
>Only now notice that the chainaxe head is the mohawk of the iron skull mounted beneath it

Damn, that looks metal as fuck

>>54863875
>I don't know how much authority Tech-Priests have
They're glorified mechanics so not a lot

>>54864039
Grey Knights and Knights are two different things. Both die to SoB easily

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>>54863992
The game ended 15-8 with the Imperium victorious on turn 5. Pretty much after Magnus died he really couldn't make up points but if he survived the explosion the game would have been a lot different. Did you fine anons enjoy the batrep today as well?
Thousand Sons btfo

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I'm looking for cheap anti-tank for a 1000 point Thousand Sons army before complete my 2000 point army, should I go with an Exalted Flamer on a Burning Chariot or a Laser Destroyer Rapier Battery?
In my final list I'll bring Magnus and a Sicaran for anti-tank, and I dont want to bring either to a 1000 point game

>>54863947
Okay, sounds..difficult. I thought about getting two techpriests anyways, one naked in the back to buff onagers, the other to buff infantry and shoot things. Maybe drop some infantry in favour for a kataphron squad? What are good weapons choices for them?

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>>54863952
What's GW's obsession with making models stand with their legs so far apart?

>>54864062
Rapier Battery will work if you at least put Thousand Sons heads on the two marines operating it. Helbrute with Twin Lascannons/Missile Launchers is probably your cheapest non-Forgeworld option.

Is there a release schedule for the 8th edition codices?

>>54863875
Enginseers are effectively tv repairmen.
it's a trade v engineering degree when you compare it to the macrotek.
effectively you have as much pull as your fellowship allows you to bullshit and as toasterfucker that shouldn't be much.
I mean you're only a step up from the fuckers who work with fleshies who in turn are a step up from menial labour they boss around.
and in the imperuim that fuck and all infulence

Alright,
>>54864006
>>54863882
>>54863783
I think I've got it.

Batallion detachment:
HQ
>grand master voldus
>stormtrooper prime
Troops
>5 inquisitorial stormtroopers
>5 more inquisitorial stormtroopers
>10 strike squad
Elites
>stormtroopers command Squad: 4 plasma guns
Heavy Support
>Purgation squad: 4 psilencers
Transports
>razorback

Vanguard detachment:
HQ
>draigo
Elites
>paladin ancient
>apothecary
>3 Paladins
>5 Paladins
Flyer
>Stormraven

Thanks dude, turn 1 I can pop stormbolter and psilencer upgrade stuff and BRRRTTT down my opponent in a hail of fire, as well as use the double-attack thing on the 5 Paladins for maximum raping.

I think I'll give the soul glaive to the apothecary (or banner to ancient) and make apothecary/ancient my warlord for the reroll charge one. Thanks guys! Tons of help

>>54864060
His tactics and unit choices (Warp talons ? Barely sentient ruffians that specialize in something as barbaric as close combat ?!) were a shamefull display that dishonour the fluff and the many veteran Thousand Sons players out there. Hopefully he committed honourable sudoku after the game was done.

>>54864068
Because models standing with their legs togetner actually look really small and a little odd.

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>>54863896
25mm to the Hip, man.

>>54863996
Anon I've been doing the same thing since 7th so I'll keep on doing it even after the codex releases too.

>>54864051
Would a glorified mechanic have enough authority to order that a guy gets the equipment he wants? Wouldn't an IG comissar/sergeant/whatever at least be stupid enough to think a techpriest would be important enough to listen to

>>54864114
I disagree. I think the squatting tactical marines look like ass. The Deathwatch with their legs closer together are much better. It drives me crazy.

>>54864098
Death Guard in September. "Ten Codexes" before the end of the year.

>>54864098
Not beyond DG. They said 10 before christmas so 6 to go for this year, I hope its not all SM chapters and Chaos factions and GW actually releases 6 main faction codexes. But we all know they wont do that, so more SM wank is on its way
t. Nidfag

>>54864113
He played Fallen too anon so he was a dirty double heretic. And he's known at our store as "Magnus Guy" just because he's been spamming him since the model got released.

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>>54864051
If you're an actual Tech-Priest then other officials will be somewhere between nervous bowing in fear of retributions from the actual Mechanicus and silent seething as you're one of the few untouchables in the hierarchy.

>I assume you're playing a tech-adept, technomat or some kind of fresh enginseer which are far more expendable and lower on the chain of command.
The Iron priests of Mars literally has the entirety of the Imperium's technology in an iron grip and will bring down their full might on anyone that would question or challenge this.
>That is why tech-heresy is so prevalent and/or frowned upon.

>>54863281
Seconding this request

>>54864068
It's a good stance for combat.

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>>54864060
Awesome batrep anon, keep up the good work.

>>54864154
>frequently using a model he payed $130 for
Yeah, what a faggot.

>>54864063
In that case, I think 4 max Squads, of 2 Vanguard and 2 Rangers, and 2 Squads of Plas/Flamer Kataphrons will be fine. Bring along some Triple Phosphor Blaster Kastellan to help Dakka output.

I prefer Icarus Array Dunecrawlers for dakka output and ability to target multiple units, but Neutron lasers are great for tank hunter.

>>54863567
I mean, you didn't follow Bob at all, but they still look good.

>>54864183
And still with such a low-effort paint job ...

>>54864177
No it's an absolute shit stance for combat. You're overextended so your balance is shot and you have less mobility. You want your legs apart but not THAT far apart.

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>>54863875
>my character is kind of a disliked among other AdMech on Mars because he's a sarcastic asshole.
Uh. The entirety of the priesthood of Mars are assholes without peers. They do however pride themselves on being fully driven by logic so an emotional reasoning for being disliked is sorta jarring.
If you say it's because you have committed the sin of invention or the thought-crime of performing leaps of logic it would make some sense of you being sent to a penal legion.

>>54864194
At least its painted anon. Id rather play against a poorly painted army then face another grey tide

>>54864169
Yeah, this. The IG supplier answers to an Admech official somewhere up the line, figure out the right guy to talk to, hint you can make life easier for him dealing with Admech, and boom a crate of fancy new rifle plops at your door.

My guess is speak to platoon/company quartermaster (or maybe one rank down to see the flow of things and possible favors/intimidation openings) and grab a spare rifle, if not him then trade your prized toasterfu to the local Mechanicus data-friar for an "accidental" reroute of supply chains.

>>54864205
>No it's an absolute shit stance for combat.

Nope, it's good.
Shoulder width apart is optimal for balance.

>Have to wait until the DE Codex to design rules for my Kabal/Twin Archons HQ unit to put it against my friend's custom SM chapter supplement

Waiting hurts, bros.

>>54864213
>then face another grey tide
Stop enabling grey tide by playing against them.

>>54864152
As long as I get my Guard codex they can wank as many marines as they want.

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>>54864068
I think it's a design carryover from the metal minis days where a widespread stance worked better for the metal tabs of slotta bases. It probably also was better for ensuring good flow of metal into the entirety of the mold. There were some old minis with narrow stances, but they weren't common.

>>54864211
it appears the given priest is fond of informal vocalization.
>>54863875
in line with what above has said you should consider adding more flesh habits to make this more reasonable.
for instance, Speaking with flesh voice and avoiding binary cant.
clinging to flesh parts.

>>54864169
>in an iron grip
heheheh

>>54864233
His leg pose is almost twice as wide as his shoulders. It's easy to knock someone off balance with that positioning. It's dumb.

>>54863911
I wound't be too proud of your win dawg. Your opponent was obviously playing 7th edition and you were playing easy mode.

Priest killing a helldrake is bullshit tier sorry to say.

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>>54864193
Anon...thats the pile I have to still do...
Ive only finish-finished these two as proof of concept.
On top of that, thats only my lasguns. I still have an entire tray of officers/special and about a dozen heavy weapons. Maybe my scions if I feel like it.
Bob was there to keep me zen and sane, yo.

>>54864085
Don't think they can take Rapiers

>>54864242
My hopes are
Nid
Ig
Ork
AdMech
Tau
Eldar

Where allowed, is there any negative to putting special weapons on squad leader type characters?
Eg. The Arena Champion for Drukkhari Reavers.

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>>54864256
>clinging to flesh parts.
By the Omnissiah, Magos Biologis are the worst. Weak, smelly and in denial.

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>>54863901
>>54863917
Man. My metal Escher Juves are going to absolutely tiny compared to these girls. I guess I own GW lolis now.

>hope you didnt pay too much for those conshits hahah

I thought all IG players had a shitton of infantry just as a matter of course. Doesn't seem like adapting to the current meta would have required much,

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>>54864260
>His leg pose is almost twice as wide as his shoulders.

Not at all. He's slightly over extended at best.

>>54864308
Yes we all remember that all guard players were using conscripts with commissars back in 7th and nothing changed this edition.

Why can't I find Gathering Storm 2? Is GW that quick to ditch production of its supplement material. Ynnari seem cool, it'd be a shame if I could have the book for them.

>>54864291
Nope no negatives. There are game situations where you might want to remove a particular model, to make a charge longer for example, but that's not really an advantage or disadvantage to stacking weapons on your sergeant.

>>54864268
The Heldrake killed the Priest though. And he was just very overconfident in Magnus anon.

I did play a Tzeentch daemon player for one of my first games of 8th and he was going full 7th cheese and whined the whole time about summoning nerfs.

>>54864308
Truth. Ive never run conscripts in my life, infantry squad purist, and I have all of these >>54863567 plus a handful more Im taking out of rotation for stripping/being so shittily modeled in the first place.
Also I just found another 5 pack of Guardsmen I havnt opened yet because I have a problem.

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Holding out for the Cron' codex.
>Waiting for some relics.
>Waiting for formation Stratagems including the airwings and Triarch stalker + Praetorians.
>Hoping for new models; LoW Character Silent King or Pariahs:
>Waiting for some those sweet, sweet warlord traits.

>>54864330
>>54864330
>Yes we all remember that all guard players were using conscripts with priests for impossible to break tarpits back in 7th and nothing changed this edition.
ftfy

>>54864211
>>54864256
Thanks! I'm not that good with admech lore, as you can see. What else would warrant being sent to a penal regiment? I think I like the idea of having commited the crime of trying to invent a more efficient scope or some other less significant gadget so they sent me to assist and watch over the penal colony as sort of a slap on the wrist punishment, and leading the guard to think I'm actually somewhat of an authority. Would that work or is it still heresy?

>>54864295
i find Lacyraemarta to be the worst.
Flesh peddlers

>>54864301
that lazpistol does indeed look oversized.

>>54864184
Alright, now only getting rich for kataphrons
Thanks for the tips

>>54864334
>supplement material
It's full of 7th ed. rules which are all obsolete now. They sold it until a couple weeks before 8th ed. You can find it for about $50 on ebay.

>>54864330

I said infantry,

There is no "conscript" model senpai, it's the same models

>>54863681
>>54863745
>>54863789
>>54863836
>>54863870
>>54863911
>>54863951
>>54863992
>>54864060

Your really proud of yourself eh? You have the most broken points to models conparision next to any army.

That and you went against Thousand sons with Pask and plasma. You might as well brought 2000 points against his 1000.

Try again next week and shit wont go well. I am taking a big guess that you guys werent playing properly on all rules.

>>54864343
wasn't the latest rumor Tsons and Crons in December?

>>54864343
I really hope they give us some new models and a Silent King character. High hopes since we're gonna get the codex so late

>>54864384
Is this pasta I missed out on?

Damn my Gluten allergy!

>>54864370
Oh. Sorry, I'm just now getting back into the hobby. Do you know if they'll update it for 8th? Seems odd to release a supplement then an entire codex within the same year.

I absolutely demolished a chaos player in a game. We went to turn 1, the dumbass almost never reads his rules and gets really shitty when he bases strategies around things that clearly aren't allowed in the rules.

He tried putting all of his characters into a land raider (Chaos Lord, Sorcerer, and a Warpsmith) and using their abilities inside it, even though the transports rule in the core rulebook clearly says that's not allowed.

He was so pissed he forgot to deepstrike some combi-melta terminators in and my predator line with a land raider as the lynchpin absolutely demolished his anti-tank and left the transports as easy pickings for turn 2, which he refused to play.

This was a 2k point game.

tl;dr dumbass chaos player didn't read game rules, got fucked. classic chaos.

>>54864384
>player 2 detected

>>54864384
Sorry Magnus died like a chump, but suck it up man.

>>54864384
dis nigga played from 7 onwards.
he's allowed some damn enjoyment
>thousand sons are weak
in our local tourney they cleared house with magnus at the head.

Looking at the Intercessor sprues, am I right in my thinking that it doesn't come with a power sword for the sergeant?

Looking it what all the AM hate is about.

>ten Scions with a commander 140 pts

Can deep strike anywhere and drop 36 hot-shot las gun shots.

Jesus fucking Christ. Time to fire up a guard army.

>>54864441
Can't rapid fire after DS anon

>>54864340
It shames me as a chaos player that other chaos players are so scrub at this new edition, especially Tzeentch players. You would figure guys playing Magnus/TS/ and tzeentch would be good at change.

Also, psykers drop mortal wounds... I don't get why players who have a army dedicated to psykers are not using psykers.

>>54864441
Play pure Scions
No really, thats classy as fuck.

>>54864008
WE

>>54863456

I play SoB and already have more figures than I actually need. I couldn't give a fuck less about plastics, except that when they inevitably do come out they will undoubtedly invalidate the hundreds of dollars worth of stuff I already have.

>>54864454
What rule am I missing that says that?

>>54864400
Well the new rules for them are already found in Index Xenos 1. As for the fluff, they'll put out an updated version of it at some point. Either as part of the Eldar Codex or as its own thing. Ynnari are a significant part of the setting now. It might not be till next year though.

>>54864441
Cant rapid dudeenheimer. HSLasguns have 18" range. Volley guns still shit out 4 shots but its on 4+ after dropping.

>>54864386

No, if you read into the Chapter Approved post on WH Community it implies they will get a dex next year. Along with Orks+Delds

>>54864454
Sure you can.

>>54864431
Yes.

>>54864481
The rule that says Rapid Fire is only at half range?
And that you're deep striking beyond that?
Can I assume that you currently play Chaos?

I was thinking about an alternative lore to the legion of the damned.

>The legion of the damned is a little-spoken chapter of the Adeptus Astartes. Similar to the way SS Dirlewanger was, it is composed of a variety of "individuals convicted of heinous crimes". These people have been forcibly inserted into the Astartes armor, which has then been bolted shut and cannot be removed. It has been coupled with extensive life-support, nutrition and waste removal systems that allow the permanent wear of armor without it being taken off. Furthermore, extensive genetic modifications have been done in order to remove the need to sleep. Therefore, the legionaires are permanently stuck in their role without a respite even in their sleep. Having no other option than a single-minded focus on their role has made them effective but utterly inhuman warriors who know of nothing but war

>>54864441
Command Squads. Four Plasma.

>>54864481
>>54864501

This again.

Anons, what is the range of a hotshot lasgun?

What is the requirement of DS?

Don't look until you've at least tried to figure it out yourself
MUST BE SET UP OUTSIDE 9 INCHES

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>>54864354
>I think I like the idea of having commited the crime of trying to invent a more efficient scope.
If you want the Mechanicus-grade bullshittery you can say you actually invented a quicker method of mounting and removing scopes; which subsequently was stolen by your superior and you were shit-canned in order to silence and remove you.

If you were caught mid-invention it's likely you were sent off to a penal regiment as a punishment for wrongthink, and thus not expected to survive. Bringing the AdMech new (old) tech is still an acceptable way to get back their good graces though.

>leading the guard to think I'm actually somewhat of an authority
But you already are. If anyone tries to touch tech they're not sanctioned to, you're obligated by the tenants of Mars to either exterminate them with extreme prejudice or claiming it yourself in the name of Mars and subsequently sending it there for evaluation.
If a guardsman tries to do ad-hoc repairs on an official vehicle without your supervision, it's a crime punishable by flogging and/or execution.

If you can convince a quertermaster that his shipment of weapons are in fact an illegal counterfeit/make he is legally obligated to give it up as it is contraband.
>You have to be an actual priest to do this. Enginseers will get shot for lying.

>>54864481
He probably means the fact that Hot-shot Lasguns are 18" and Aerial Drop places you more than 9" away putting you out of rapid fire.

>>54864475
wus gang bangers?

>>54864404
You sir must have a huge penis obviously like DAMN son. You grow up next to a nuclear plant or something?

>>54864509
No. Dumb.

>>54864509
Okay.......so this explains being literal warp ghosts.....how?

>>54864486
>>54864507
>>54864516
Dope yep, 18 inch range was what I missed.

>>54864509
I'm pretty sure a Marine can't actually commit a crime. Even mass murder of civilians I think would get him a stern talking from a Chaplain and some prayer beads

>>54864275
>>54864085
Yeah your right, I'll probably take the exalted flamer over the hellbrute since I like the model a little more

>>54864524
They are not warp ghosts in alternative lore

>>54864538
Yeah overcharging it somehow lessens the range of the lasgun. DAT AP THOUGH.

>>54864516
Your comment did not make it clear you were just talking about volley guns. You're correct that Scions specifically would be out of RF range. That said tons of forces DO rapid fire after Deep Striking and there's no rules prohibition against that.

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1 Necron Overlord - Scythe
1 Cryptek - Staff
20 Necron Warriors - G.Flayer
1 Triarch Stalker - P.Shredder
5 Lychguard - Sword/Shield

This gives me about 806 points, any ideas for what I should do for the other 194 points? A Ghost Ark could be nice for the extra Reanimations, but just another blob of warriors might just be better, since I'll probably need to get more anyway. I was thinking of upping the Lychguard to 10 as well, but I'm not sure if that would be worth it.
Any ideas or changes? I've only bought the SC and one unit of Warriors, so it's all really subject to change.

>>54864523
as dumb as spooky ghost marines? He did say alternative, if he wants to run his models and imagine his toys differently let him

>>54863473
As much as I like Spartans lore wise a somewhat experienced SM should win pretty easily.
Spartan shields and guerilla warfare could give them the edge in the right circumstances tho

>>54864550
Your lore sucks. Just make your own custom chapter for it and leave the Daemons of the Emperor alone.

>>54864509
>They're like regular space marines but worse and more costly.

>>54864519
Thank you! I like all of this. I'll definitely use all this information, if you have any other ideas or lore bits I'd love to hear them because it's super interesting

>>54864420
TS Dude put Magnus infront of your tanks, he deserved to die. But how you write your posts sounds like you think yourself some king shit. You played against a scrub dude.

Bring your oiled up infatry at my seamon daemons and we will see whats what.

>>54864546
Take a burning chariot.

24more points for double wounds, +1 T and +4 movement

>>54864550
Ah yes! So when Imperial Forces are in their darkest hour the Legion of the Damned suddenly appear on the battlefield....in a series of high fuel economy sedan. And not at all out of thin air like spoopy warp ghosts.

>>54864461
Can't tell if this is a joke or not.

>>54864522
Not sure the level of sarcasm here. He didn't read rules, failed his army hard, and lost.

>>54864612
They don't appear in the darkest hour in the alternative lore

>>54864627
What's the point of them in alternate lore then?
They seem like dogshit and wasteful dreadnoughts.

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>>54864563
1:Drop the Lychguards; they are not good right now.
Everything else is just mostly better, like praetorians with Casters and blades. Made from the same sprue so not a hard change to make.
They also have 10'' movement, the <FLY> keyword which lets you ignore terrain and other models, gives you MORE attacks then Lychguards at 5S instead of 7S which is only relevant against light vehicles. They can charge flyers AND they can disengage and shoot in the same turn due to the <FLY> keyword.

2:The Overlord goes in his pimp-mobile, no ifs, buts or two ways about it. It's a straight up upgrade to survivabillity, mobillity and dakka.

3: Personal preference here; I found that the stalker should be exclusively outfitted with the twin heavy gauss cannons. The additional range makes it so he never actually have to move, it's actually useful against T8 vehicles and D6 over D3 damage.

4: 10 man squads of Immortals vastly outperforms 20 blobs of warriors on everything that is not camping important objectives. A single 20 blob is more than enough for the purpose of versatility.

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Looking for feedback on a Mech Guard list, 2000 points. Hard to keep up with command points now that Veterans are Elite.

>Vanguard Detachment
Pask, Punisher w/ Lascannon, 2 Multi-meltas, Storm Bolter
Tank Commander, Punisher w/ Lascannon, 2 Multi-meltas, Storm Bolter
Tech-Priest
Platoon Commander
Veterans +3 Meltaguns
^ Chimera w/ Multi-laser, Heavy Bolter
Platoon Commander
Veterans +3 Meltaguns
^ Chimera w/ Multi-laser, Heavy Bolter
Wyvern

>Vanguard Detachment
Tank Commander, Punisher w/ Lascannon, 2 Multi-meltas
Master of Ordnance
Platoon Commander
Veterans +3 Meltaguns
^ Chimera w/ Multi-laser, Heavy Bolter
Platoon Commander
Veterans +3 Meltaguns
^ Chimera w/ Multi-laser, Heavy Bolter
Manticore
Wyvern

>>54864509
Dude, just play Death Company Blood Angels if you're that desperate for ax-crazy suicide marines.

>>54864652
It's a punishment brigade and basically their life sucks but they are also experienced because they have no life outside of war

>>54864606
But I'm not even the guard player.
In all seriousness, I wish I could play you, there's not a single Slaanesh player at my store and I want to see how my Krieg stack up against them.

>>54863456

I also have metal Necromunda miniatures, but I will throw them in the trash the minute I get my hands on plastics. Metal is a fucking pain in the ass to deal with.

>>54864703
That's just space marines but more gimped.
You've create Space Marines who are forced to poo their pants.

>>54864716
Ought to try eBay, I bet you'll get top dollar for em with the announcement.

>>54864703
I don't know. We already have Imperial Guard Penal Legions and Ministorum Penitent Engines. Are you set on using LotD models specifically? It could make an okay custom chapter. There are already a few that lean that way minus the criminals and bolted on armor like the Doom Eagles.

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>>54864563
>>54864681
Sorry; you said Sword and Board guards, not Scytheguards.
You pay for a 4++ save.
It's an OK thing to have, sure.
But it's hardly worth it. You can give your dudes a 5++ with a basic Cryptek, and you lose out on the S, pen and damage bonus of the scythe.

The shield used to be good, but it's not anymore. Maybe when the codex drops.
>Praetorians are still simply better at their jobs than Scyteguards though.

>>54864703
>>54864761
Oooh a chapter formed from a prison planet because they pissed off an inquisitor would be cool

>>54863683
That's actually a good question, why?

>>54863699
But imperial ships never land. And even if they did that doesn't answer the question.

>>54864716
I own about 100 metal Escher. I've just been using them as conscripts, but with the plastics I might try to go full Escher guard.

>>54864460
Most of the older guys at the store who play Chaos are pretty cool it's just that a lot of younger players at our store try WAAC up to and including cheating. We have a really cool Thousand Sons guy at our store so not everyone is bad.

>>54864758

Never sold anything on eBay. May have to try it. I've got unpainted, unassembled Arbites as well.

>>54864486

I thought deep strike was 9" away from enemy models...with 18" range a HS lasgun should be able to rapid fire, right?

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Anyone find any cool differences in the CSM codex? I already know about pic related, 4 shot obliterators, 2 wound possessed and d6 doom siren

>>54864819

MORE than 9".

>>54864819
9.00000001" is more than half of 18"

>>54863665
>>54864785
Terrestrial "Starports" are more like dropshipports and like modern airports serve as a centralized location for keeping maintenance gear and supplies as well as providing infrastructure for processing passengers. Yes sometimes the military will just land a bunch of ships in some salt flats and just load everybody up. But for more day to day activity a "starport" makes sense.

>>54864819
At least 9" away son.
Not 9" or under

>>54864835
>>54864853

Ah, I see now. Much as that sucks a little, seems like good balance. This edition may be a bit bland, but it does seem more fair.

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>>54864681
>>54864762
I like Lychguards, but I guess I can drop them. Somewhere I heard they were good, but if that's not the case then that's fine too. Praetorians are cool too so I could take some of those.
The overlord is just there because I have the SC box and don't really want to waste a model, but it comes back on sale I'll get him in the Barge.
Also I didn't really know what weapon to take on my Stalker, I just felt like the Particle Shredder would be more consistent since it has 6 shots.
Are Immortal squads really better than Warriors? I haven't browsed the thread that much in the past few weeks, but from when I did, I thought people were always saying that Warriors were simply better.

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don't know if you cucks remember me but its aussie bullgryn guard guy

no updates recently, but have a picture of some freehand done by a friend on his dunecrawler

>>54864580
Spartans are just dumb robots and space marines are super good at killing even intelligent robots, see Necrons

Did the issue ever get resolved if units in a transport count as being on the board?

For when it comes to at least half your army needing to be on the board.

>>54864883
That isn't how the rule works, dummy. Learn to fucking read.

Are units deployed inside transports in RESERVE? No? There you go.

God damn man why the fuck are you kids so fucking stupid? You can read and understand a million magic cards but you can't read and understand a single fucking paragraph from a book with 12 pages of rules? It's fucking alarming how goddamn stupid you are.

>>54864832
Lasher Tendrils are, for the moment, 6 additional attacks instead of d6.

>>54864874

Smeary and bad, stick to transfers or don't even bother trying.

Tzeentch daemons or admech?

>>54864708
Wrong anon then Anon, my bad.

Ohhh that would be a wicked match up. I wouldn't even mind getting impailed on cavalry lances from those toxic nazis.

You never know, i dont frequent stores often for games. My space sluts could be just around the corner....

Still looking for the 40K 3rd edition BBB in pdf. Anyone got it?

>>54864874
Don't listen to that asshole. It looks pretty good.

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>>54864914

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>>54864869
>I thought people were always saying that Warriors were simply better.
That was the case in 6th and 7th as everything could be glanced or auto-wounded into oblivion.
Now however the toughness and armor changes makes it so that Warriors perform below average at full range and somewhat above average at rapid fire range.

Tesla immortals with the Overlord buff vastly outperforms this at max 24" range as you get 2 additional hits for every 5 and 6 rolled.
Gauss immortals outperforms Tesla at rapid-fire range against MEQs and heavier, but that is about it.

I don't remember the exact numbers but I think a 20 man blob barely does more average damage than a 10 man Tesla immortal unit against T3 hordes when firing within 12''.

>tl:dr Warriors are pretty mediocre now, unless facing other armies that actively goes to close the distance.

>>54864943
well you're just a grouchy cunt today ain't ya?

>>54864954
yeah we all think he can paint pretty well

in other news another friend of mine got his dread-maw featured on the community page. was in the WW open day page.

>>54864968
I'm mad because I'm watching the standard of intelligence plunge decade by decade. I'm afraid that we are producing a future full of fucking morons who can't read their own language. I am shocked on a daily basis by the startling lack of basic education evidenced in the shit I read posted by young people.

That's why I am mad "tho".

>>54864914
Chill out god damn. Go to sleep take a xanax get laid apply cream to those hemmroids SOMETHING.

>>54865005
>well you're just a grouchy cunt today ain't ya?

If you showed me a turd, and bragged about how you spent weeks polishing it, it's still a fucking turd.

>>54865001
well come back cheeta friend

>>54865012
Anything but directly address the issue, right? Fucking pathetic.

>>54865022
I'm not the guy you were talking too what's pathetic is being this mad over absolutely nothing.

>>54864860
But then why are they treated like important military assets in the fluff?

>>54865036
>pretending the problem doesn't exist to spare some kid's feelings
You are part of the cause.

>>54863252

I have an Iron Hands army nearly complete and I want to do another SM chapter next. How do I rationalize having two armies using the same codex? Just how different can I make them?

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>>54865022

>>54865054
It's not a problem it's a question about a game people play for fun you ass hat not everyone invests all of their being into plastic men and their laws. Maybe one day everyone will learn all the rules to spare YOUR tiny feelings.

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>>54865054

>>54865076
>denying the problem exists to spare some kid's feelings
You are part of the cause.

>No Dreadnought Heavy Weapons list in the GK Codex

Do I use the codex SM one?

Imperial Fists
Black or red trim?

>>54865054
>>54865076
REKT

>>54865114
Cyan with pink dots.

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>>54865054
anon, normal folks who've had a good day and are well adjusted do not explode at some idiot asking a stupid question on a Mongolian throat singing site.
Calm yourself.
it ain't worth it.

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>>54865114
blahk

>>54863252
What makes grey knight terminators bad? they seem solid

>>54865127
>deflecting the issue to spare some kid's feelings
You are part of the cause.

What are good alternatives for the Death Guard stuff in Dark Imperium for a generic CSM list?

Poxwalkers as cultists is easy, and plague marines can stay as is, but the others are a little harder to think of.

>>54865143
>>54865107
>>54865054
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

>>54865142
Overcosted and Paladins exist.

Also strike squad is less than half price per marine and you can get the bolter strat on that shit.

>>54865159
>addressing the messenger instead of the message to spare some kid's feelings
You are part of the cause.

>>54865142
cost effectiveness

>>54865142
48PPM stock loadout. 240 per 5 for a troop choice. Paladins are 55PPM stock, but 3 minimum for a squad, AKA 165 for 3 models that have an extra wound, attack, and the Paragon(squad lead) has 2+ WS.

>>54865143
>spare some kids feelings
uh why the fuck not.
Worlds got enough anger already, why ad more to it.
I mean i don't know why you need to treat him like he's a fucking dog that shat on your carpet.

more seriously i'm reacting to your behavour because i think you're a cunty faggot and likely an autistic.

>>54865165
are you like a new form of virt or something?
i mean i get that you are either middling on the ASD spectrum or bait

I like Immortals so I'm fine with that, I don't have to paint as many models either, which I wasn't looking forward to. You mentioned Praetorians, should I go for staff or sword/gun? I guess that staff is better for ranged, and swords for melee? If I wanted to convert something into a Cryptek I'd probably want their staff.

Any other general tips for army building?

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>>54865165
>>54865143
>>54865107
>>54865054
>>54865022
>>54865008
>>54864914

>>54865012
>>54864968
>>54865065
>>54865079

Actual nigger detected. And anon was wondering why it felt like he was talking to an idiot.

Take your passive aggrrsive troll memes back to your sub-reddit boy.

>>54865042
Because they are. They still have all that repair equipment, fuel tanks, etc. Plus hardened platforms designed to handle craft coming and going repeatedly. And just because you can load people up in an empty field doesn't mean it's better to.

>>54865187
For
>>54864978

>>54865180
This post is a perfect encapsulation of most of the causes of the problem. Even though you didn't intend to post a perfect demonstration, thank you.

>>54865187
Just remember traps are gay anon and you'll do fine.

>>54865058
Have one as a rooty shooty, and another as a sloppy choppy jalopy

Is the new black legion novel up somewhere?

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Four points for Chaos this weekend, brothers. All loyalists were slain.

Opinions on Heroforge? I want to make a custom officer there but dont know if its worth the dosh.

>>54865228
Also want to know.

>>54865211
i don't know what you mean
>causing a problem
if you said i was helping a problem then how am i a cause of said problem?

>>54865193
>Take your passive aggrrsive troll memes back to your sub-reddit boy.
Aggrsive.
Hahahahaha your that faggot from yesterday that shit up the thread with your birds and monkeys racist talk!
Go ahead and trip so all the normal functioning people can filter you.

Would it be stupid to play a Primaris force that uses the Alpha Legion gene-seed and have them have Raven Guard Chapter Tactics?

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>>54864504
Fucking GW

>no more rules without models
>except when it suits us
>just buy our patented Ultramarine™ Upgrade™ Sprue™ for all your Power Sword™ needs

>>54865253
>can't even read and understand a sentence in his own language

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>The thread

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>>54865245
Fuck yeah Night Lord bro! Strike at their hearts.

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>>54865255
yeah, but they're your dudes so go for it?

>>54865255
They're your dudes. As long as you stick to the legal Raven Guard stuff, go wild fluff wise.

>>54865245
Fuck yeah! How did the new rules treat you? Any massive LD-bomb runaways?

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>>54865187
With the recent buff; sword/gun simply outperforms the staff.

Staff gives you "3" attacks with the staff at S5, -3, 1.
>1 up front at 12'' and the 2 others in melee.
>After going into melee you loose your shooting.

Sword+pistol gives you
>1 shot at S6, -, 1
> AND 3A at S5, -3, 1 in melee
The pistol is also a pistol and is usable while in melee, for a grand total of 4 "attacks" per model 3 of which are identical to the staff with a 4th bonus tacked on.

>>54865284
What recent buff?

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>>54865254
>Birds and monkeys racist talk

Hahhah. Dont even know wtf your talking about anon but, as a chaos player, that sounds like my type of fun..