Paizo Games General /pgg/

>>54860835
Gnolls are not heroic, they're cannibal rapist murderers and I think they aren't even worth the effort of skinning.

>>54860876
Gnolls are cute and worth waifuing.

>>54860908
>futafag

>>54860922
Unabashedly so, but that is only one subspecies of gnoll! I am primarily a furfag, good sir, and would you insult me for such!

>>54860876

Have you fought any particularly strong or intelligent ones? Or any other "stand-out" members of other races?

>>54861030
No, because they are usually human body with a lower body of a monster. It makes you a beast fucker.

>>54861030
It's a scale

>>54861053
>It's a scale
Only if they're lamia.

>>54860983
I want to harry a Drow!

>>54860835
Still looking for advice re Mystic Theurge

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Your last played character gets a Wish during the next session. What do they wish for?

>>54860983
I have. He was called Memory's Fang and was basically a ghost story for an entire region. It was because he could quite literally feed on memory and read memories by eating brains. He also was enormous compared to most gnolls, large sized.

>>54861310
How high is the DC?

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How do PCs learn how many hit dice an enemy has? Is it something that they should be informed about by a regular knowledge check to learn about a monster?

I need to know for animating undead.

>>54861310
That actually happened to me not too long ago.

My character wished for an indestructible mug that filled with hot chocolate at will with a grumpy cat on the side. So far, we've used it to fill a ship's hold with so much hot cocoa that it sank, and used it to hold open a massive stone door in a deathtrap.

I never have so much fun as when I play a character that dumps wisdom.

>>54861310
To be rid of the... death demon? Shinigami? Extraplanar undead? Whatever it is she's currently bound to serve, she wants it gone.

>>54861310
His own little hidden village where he and all the women he's been with can live in comfort.

>>54861310
He wishes his son was alive.

>>54861310
Not for her to love him, that never ends well. Probably not to be a real boy, it'd basically be letting the world win.

So maybe just money or vast magical power. Then he can work on making people like him through those means.

we have just started our first pf game, and i'm rolling a summoner. i'm not playing an archetype

anyone got some tips or builds for me to take a look at?

currently recruiting games are:
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85043/bones-and-bed-shackles (ends in one week...if it is real) - lewd AP
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85418/mint-rebels-double-treason (ends in two weeks) - rationalist spin on Hell's Rebels AP
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84677/godslayers (ends in one month and a half) - kill gods, be mythic

On a summer day, a thunder will clap
Anon-kun, finish your app!

>>54861310
A bigger brothel in her city. City budget is thin as it is.

>>54861401
21

>>54861337
This, desu. I swore that shit off forever after just 5 minutes.

>>54861483
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85043/bones-and-bed-shackles (ends in one week...if it is real) - lewd AP

Quick, someone seperate all the current apps into four-person parties that woudl work well together both stat-wise and thematically!

>>54861537
I actually like that about the way Dickgirls tend to be played.

>>54861455
>real boy
I wish PF had a nice warforged race. Androids are just too blade runner to be Pinocchio

>>54861514
In that case she just wishes that she had a +5 returning shocking spell-stealing adamantine starknife

>>54861537
>tfw the one time you played one as a joke you wrote it off as the character assuming NOBODY would want them and proceeding to just be a huge cunt to everyone
>tfw game died before even joking about characters banging eachother could happen

wouldn't do it again, but I'm pretty sure those chucklefucks are cursed to forever be wasted potential

>>54861568
I only even applied to breed Rekina

>>54861546
You can't just ask us to do that with nothing to start with, Anon. You gotta make the first suggestion for at least one party.

>>54861561
Same here, I've never had the chance to play a Warforged but I think they seem cool and Androids just aren't quite the same.

>>54861546
All of the octopi-people together.

>>54860835
Any word on Psionics and Path of War for Starfinder? Is DSP working on official archetypes and classes? Has anyone done homebrew hotfixes?

>>54861455
Has he considered proving himself by doing some worthy deed? That usually gets bitches going.

>>54861627
Well, in my mind, I'm thinking... Rekina, Taera, Anne annnnd Fat Barry!

>>54861699
Probably never, you can't really do Psionics in Starfinder and keep it Psionics since all magic is now the same and comes from the same place.

>>54860835
Not since Basic Set D&D.
They had "NPC Party" as random encounter in some modules.

>>54861753
Hilarious but unlikely.

>>54861797
Oh, undoubtedly unlikey, but the hilarity woudl be great, especially interactions between Rekina and Fat Barry and Taera trying to get everyone to marry her husbando.

>>54861769
What about PoW?

I want to play an inquisitor but I don't really know what to do? never played the class and I dunno how to roleplay it, recommend me a God/domain/inquisitio/weapon

>>54861427
Rory please go.

>all this hate on dickgirls
>feel bad my current app is a dickgirl

>>54861890
Is she a person and not a roiling ball of anger issues? If so then you're good.

>>54861890
You should feel bad, you shit.

>>54861890
I like them anon, who is she

>>54861855
Inquisitors are more or less the clandestine aspect of a religious organization. The conversion inquisition is what you should go with and every deity has it.

>>54861880
This is also important when building an inquisitor. If you're playing in Golarion, Gorum is a great option for a 2h inquisitor.

>>54861310
To be able to conceive.

>>54861710
What worthy deed do you suggest?
Keep in mind spells and initiating are not going to be on the table.

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>>54860835
The first quest of Ensoulment was more or less about this concept, though the party beat and rationally diplomanced their way through it impressively quickly. They fought a silver-scaled kobold hero called Silver Kyder. The rounds before he appeared were filled with occasional cheers of "YIP! YIP!! YIP!!!" which continued throughout the fight with him, and at one point he even used a custom maneuver to heal based off the number cheering for him. He was a kobold, but he was brave, powerful, a hero to The Dripping Maw kobolds (plus the dozen clans he'd subjugated under them), and even stood by his word after the party wrote up a treaty with him, which he easily could have betrayed. All around one of the most well received evil warlords I've seen a party encounter.

>>54861277
I don't know hwat exactly you're looking for, but my advice on Mystic Theurge: don't play one.

>>54861878
no, I want my comfy village

>>54861937
I got early entry, so I'm going to be a wizard down feats with cleric or oracle spells to back me up.

>>54861906
>>54861911
I'll say once the picks are announced. Promise.

>>54861903
I forgot to reply to you. Yes she is. There's very little anger issues to be had with her. Just regret.

>>54861927
You're doomed, son

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Ok, I'm making a envoy right now for a starfinder playtest and. . .

Has anyone figured out anything for this class to do in combat yet? Because right now it looks like their primary class feature is "spend an action to give a single enemy a minor debuff for 1 round" which is. . . awful.

>>54862053

envoys are shit at everything, play operative instead.

>>54861769

https://www.myth-weavers.com/showthread.php?t=406051

Unless this guy is faking the name, that's a DSP dev outright stating they're doing SOMETHING. Hoping it's psionics, to be honest, because being an elan Ghost Operative would be my jam. Or a Forgeborn Armor Storm Soldier.

>>54862053
but "teamplay" you only exist for that or (what people really think that is ok ) to make snapshot work with a sniper rifle

>>54861797
>>54861826
>unlikely
Why? What about these apps wouldnt get them selected? Also, what would Anne be bringing to the table?

Somebody explain how the occultist gains new spells. Do I get one new spell to each spell level every time I get a new implement school? It's so poorly written.

>>54862160

Well, Rekina's one-dimensional, Fat Barry isn't lewd enough, Taera's an IDrive app and Anne's a vampire in a campaign that has a lot of open-air/wilderness stuff in it, I imagine.

As far as what Anne would bring to that group: she, like Rekina and Taera, is broken/used goods tier moe, and I wa sgoing for a theme there of that plus Fat Barry, because who doesn't love Fat Barry?

>>54862137
> because being an elan Ghost Operative would be my jam. Or a Forgeborn Armor Storm Soldier.
None of that has anything to do with Psionics as a system though. Like there's nothing stopping you from taking an elf or something and saying it's an Elan and Forgeborn are just humans with some cyber limbs.

>>54862204
I like Rekina, she seems fun. Also, she's one of the few apps who's actually using setting lore from the region.

check it

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?528186-Dreamscarred-Press-New-playtest-the-Rajah-an-akashic-initiator!&p=22289672#post22289672

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>>54862136
>>54862158
I keep rereading the whole class entry expecting to see SOMETHING I can do as an envoy. But. . . there's just nothing. How is it possible to make a class this useless? Feels bad, love the class concept.

>>54862204
>and Anne's a vampire in a campaign that has a lot of open-air/wilderness stuff in it,
I have a solution for sunlight, though.
As soon as I recover my gear (which should be within book 1), I'll be immune to sunlight.

did leakanon ever drop the first dead suns book?

>>54862277
That's asinine. You're worse than the people who say "just wait a few more levels, then my build will start working"

>>54862353
It's actually sane.
Book 1 is about misery and doesn't have outdoors combat until after gear is recovery.
All while my sunlight vulnerability is just a fat stack of penalties, not instant death - I can survive it, but will just be miserable in the process.
All in all, it's not a problem in this AP for me.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10MzQQumu0nksyGWKwmlVZFteXGUICeULHzehQKZWR8c/edit

Legendary Gunslinger now has a BUNCH of archetypes! What's the consensus on them, /pfg/?

>>54862231
The Elan thing is due to the resistance/repletion/resilience abilities. GM loves dropping spies into ambushes, those will help me get out.

Forgeborn, you have a point. Fluff is better than Androids, in my opinion, but that's simple.

>>54862204
>Fat Barry isn't lewd enough
i think having a character who is actively resisting the lewd while still being a part of it makes things even more lewd.

>>54862160
>Also, what would Anne be bringing to the table?
Bloodplay is a gift.

>>54862136
But I want to play a Mechanic instead! I'm reading the CRB right now, the Envoy feels underwhelming to me and I haven't even seen the other classes to compare it to. To be fair, I didn't read through all of the expertise talents but I doubt any of them a great enough to salvage the class.

I figured the Envoy was Starfinder's look-alike to the Rogue, and then realized it doesn't have anything like sneak attack.

>>54862437
That would be the Operative.

>>54862437
Envoy is a really (REALLY) pale attempt at Bard. It didn't really work out from what I'm seeing.

>>54861921
Why are they unable? Is this vampire-anon?

>>54862353
>>54862367
I once played a PC with vulnerability to cold in Reign of Winter.

>>54862448
The Operative is the class everyone says is the most OP, right? Interesting that it would be the Starfinder version of Rogue that's the most OP.

>>54862456
Yeah, I got a bit of Bard vibe from it too, what with its focus on skills and being charismatic, but it doesn't quite fit that mold. Maybe I'm just saying that because it doesn't have something that feels like Bardic performance? That would be a little out of place for the tone of this game though, I think.

>>54861903
What's wrong with barbarians?

Am I the only one that finds it a bit odd that, as you look through character art, realize the Medieval women seem to usually have massive tits while the sci-fi ones got these small-chested, almost svelte figures?

Like shouldn't it be the other way around? Cup sizes have only been getting larger in the modern age, and a hearty handful in fantasy 1500s seems like it should be shockingly rare.

>>54862053
Yeah you can also hide behind a chest high wall and point at your team mates to temporarily dispel status effects. I guess you could throw grenades too.

When I read "non-magic class who is good at social" and then now see the results I'm blown away that there's literally anything at all they can contribute to combat. I was expecting them to just hide and complain.

>>54862506
Rage class feature =/= anger issues.
Rage is something you control and bring out when you need it. Anger issues lead to spousal abuse and a very unhappy relationship.

>>54862507
No birth control run off in the water supply in an advanced space station's filtration systems I guess. Diet probably very different too, not really seeing any fat on anyone.

>>54862507
It's probably because Medieval woman are considered "closer to nature" or more primitive than sci-fi women, just on account of the genre. It's like how full figures for women and large genitals for men were considered an indication of being less civilized in older times.

>>54862575
The Investigator manages to contribute to combat, doesn't it? Admittedly, I've never played one, but I've heard other people vouch that it's alright.

>>54861546
>Charlotte Cladberry
>Aillee Nawari
>Luculeia Valso
>Evelin Racanu
I probably thought about this way to much. I feel these four girls would mesh well. They're the king of honest and energetic, if not a little naive, young women you'd like to root for and see succeed. Or get brutally raped and broken. Both good outcomes for this adventure.

>>54862642
Yeah, investigators alright, though it really needs a dip in Swashbuckler.

>>54862698
Noble Fencer 1/Investigator X is pretty much required if you want to be competent in combat from an early level.

>>54862631
>>54862642
Well that fucking sucks, I like large tits and Starfinder's going to be a real famine for them.

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>>54862771

Says who?

>>54862771
Realistically it's probably cuz it's a setting of skintight suits and they don't want to take the heat/not comfortable with sexy bodies on full display.

>>54862044
Any worthy deeds still on the table?
Slaying a dragon, or a giant, perhaps?

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Am I sci-fi enough?

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>>54862801
>>54862812

>>54862883
Huh... Haven't seen any of Reiq's things for a while.

Hold on. Are double move actions even a thing in Starfinder?

>>54861927
Make some delicious meals.

>>54862964
Nevermind found them right after making this post. Standards can be used as moves or swifts and moves can be used as swifts.

Is there any sort of interactive starship sheet for Starfinder yet?

>>54862987

Nothing fillable yet, I don't think.

>>54862987
>>54863034
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lk1d?Free-Starfinder-Character-Sheets-Download
Includes the Starship sheet.

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So you need to ship the intrigue cast.

Who do you ship with who? It's 2 guys, 3 girls.

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>tfw none of your apps ever get memed.

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>>54863204

>>54863204
Have you tried not writing shitty apps?

>>54863204
Lucky you.

>>54863204
It's a better feeling than you realize. Crack open a cold one and enjoy yourself.

>>54863204
Meme them yourself, even truly dank memes sometimes need a push to get the memetic snowball rolling.
Or alternatively, follow >>54863233's advice and be less shit.

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>>54863204

>starfinder lewd campaign idea
>the party is a bunch of girls captured by an evil and perverted corporate necrolord
>he challenges you to escape his dungeon using whatever means are available
>the entire dungeon is being livestreamed to the entire galaxy and the necrolord's business idea is selling INTERACTION with the victims online through his various remote controlled constructs and skellies
>dungeon may or may not contain semen demons
>the catch: I'm not actually going to run it because I need to run Intrigue

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>>54863277
Will you be one of my boys?

Who would you PM in Bones and Bed Shackles?
Easy Mode: Rekina
Normal Mode: Anyone but Rekina

>>54861927
Try slaying a dragon. Bitches love dragonslayers.

>>54861483
>An age of bamboozles and lewd conversions of Paizo APs
>Gone are the days of original settings or campaign premises
>No more do we see the reliable GMs who made good on their word
When did this dark age start? Was it with Ensoulment's close, or was that just the final flare of quality campaigns due to a thread newcomer?

>>54863337
Fat Barry. Every time.

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>>54863352

Man, kids today don't know shit about slaying no dragons for a lady's favor.

>>54863369
There were bamboozles before Protag.

Remember Sleeping Goddess?

>>54863329
Only on Fridays.

>>54863369

>Gone are the days of original settings or campaign premises

Just a couple days ago, people started putting shit together for some goofy-ass setting someone made out of a randomly-generated map. Now they've got stuff about twenty magic trees of eternity, and bug dragons that turn into real dragons if they eat enough other bug dragons and eternity sap, and an empire that worships the midnight sun in the north, and someone blew up the tree of death and now most of one continent is magic radiation, mutants, and undead.

>>54863392
There were bamboozles shortly after RotJR with Molthune. But the thread doesn't care much for app memes anymore. I'd bet it's a combination of people's schedules mostly being full, a fatigue from the reviewanons' criticism and backstory wankery, and a shortage of GMs with more original ideas than "X AP but lood this time guise"

>>54863454
That sounds like someone read too much Goblin Punch and Eberron and took too much LSD. I'd play it.

>>54863115
Everybody with that one dude's kids.

>>54863454
Add in ebberon-style playable shapeshifters that subsist off positive emotions from sapients and I'd say it's ready to ship

>>54862805
Well of course Paizo isn't going to be drawing busty broads, I'm talking about the general lack of heft in general for sci-fi art. It's all slender athletic action-girls, which makes sense I guess but it's just something I know won't be winning me more.

>>54863204
>tfw my apps would be meme worthy if people didn't know who I was
I'd sock puppet, but fuck is this current batch of games boring.

>>54863629
Heavy is the crown.

>>54863629
It really is. I'm kinda done with the Lewd AP thing.

>>54863391
Well that's because you can't have a damsel in modern culture, or even a princess who needs someone to kill a big bad dragon.

Nowadays the dragon is a good guy, or dating the princess, or the princess is actually a badass who can do it herself. Dragonslaying aint shit because Dragonslaying has become blasé since the 1970s.

>>54863667
I'm not even looking for lewd. I just want an adventure.

I want a DM to show up and go "here's a campaign pitch, and here's the gist of the setting. What do you got for me?" And then not bamboozle.

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>>54863534

It's pretty silly, but people are coming up with some neat ideas for it.

>>54863564

An unkind person might suggest the "Baltic States".

>>54863692
That's a lot to ask for, times being what they are. Hard and gettin' harder all the time.

>>54862334
Nope, nobody's put it out so far.

>>54862248
Seems like the best recommendation is spending feats on longarm proficiency, spec, and focus. Then you can pew pew while buffing and heal or remove debuffs. It's like a bard but without the neat tricks. At least you can heal some in combat (only other class that can heal others really) but with the way damage ramps up that ability becomes almost entirely useless at high levels.


At least you talk good for social situations?

>>54863704
I want to play a Dark Sun Frenchman!

>>54863692
I just want a fun group of people to play games with, honestly.

>>54863692
But making custom settings is haaaaaard.

>>54862811
If you can find one, but she needs to know about it first. Nobody cares if you kill some strange, unknown dragon.

>>54863692
Heh heh heh.
I have like seven 'here's the pitch, here's the setting' setups.

And I don't plan on running ANY of them any time soon.

>>54863845
You could just play an AP.

It just doesn't need to be lewd. This isn't a hard goddamn concept.

>>54863847
The Ulfen have the right idea; you need to announce a Linnorm Hunt, have people observe the hunt, and then drag the head through the city you seek to rule.

Opir didn't do the process, and because of that he's a bitch.

>>54863845
I've always felt like building settings was way easier than learning and working with one that exists. You get free reign and can line it up with whatever adventures you want to play in. I'll usually build a simple setting even for one-shots.

>>54863909
No shuddup its haaaaaaaard. HAAAAARD.

>>54863861
Is it just me, or is the layout of the chapters in the Starfinder CRB pretty bad? Like, wouldn't it have made more sense to put the rules about how the game works before the classes and races? I know those are what people are most interested in, but how am I suppose to know what the bonuses and abilities are actually WORTH before I know how the system they're part of WORKS? Just a little mini-rant

>>54863967

The book in general seems to suffer from "we really want this released in time for GenCon".

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>>54863877
>You could just play an AP.
>It just doesn't need to be lewd.

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>>54864000
I heard it's full of lots of typos and errors. THis one about ysoki was the first one I noticed.

>>54864001
We didn't always run games, so the games we run don't have to be lewd. None of this is set in stone.

>>54863967
They're ordered the way they are because:
1. It's easier to reference this way. Everyone will need to memorize the core rules for play, if not how specific options play out. Most people, including DMs will take some time to memorize how all the class options and feats play though since not everything needs to be learned to start running.
2. It makes character creation easier in cases of people learning as they play, especially keeping in mind that players introduced via session are usually going to be playing physically with a hardcover in front of them.
3. For people who pick up a book in a store and don't have the experience to understand the weight of mechanics, you want to frontload the book and distract them with the ideal behind the roleplaying game.

I just want a dumpster fire campaign designed to trigger people of all codes and creeds.

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Is there any good mechanical reason for a solarian to *not* have their first level be in soldier (blitz)?

Such a one-level dip would confer Strength or Dexterity as a key ability score for Resolve Points, thereby allowing a solarian to safely keep Charisma at 10-11 (never use Black Hole and Supernova, ever). It would grant heavy armor proficiency, solving AC concerns, and the Blitz fighting style would grant +4 initiative and +10 speed.

This is an incredible deal that solves many of a solarian's woes; why pass it up?

>>54864042
One or two of the backgrounds increase the difficulty of your check on the skill feature, as well.

>>54864057
Explain in more details

>>54864140
Honestly, my preferred fix for Solarian is to just give it solar armor AND weapon, then 4/9 casting starting at level 5 off the mystic spell list, or a new custom spell list.

>>54864140
That seems ideal for now.

>>54862053
ask your dm to give you a your level+5 d6 laser gun.

That might make you more deadly than your entire team if you pick good feats.

>>54864047
No they're fucking not. They're ordered that way because they were ordered that way in 3.x, and Paizo doesn't have a single employee with a single original thought in their head.

Also it does none of that shit, it's just infuriating to throw around a bunch of numbers and terms that mean nothing to you unless you read later chapters out of order.

>>54864214
man you are just looking for things to complain about aren't you?

It's a shame, because star-finder has some legitimately shitty parts, but those aren't that they ordered the book "wrong".

>>54864238
That they ordered the chapters wrong is just one of many infuriating flaws with the book. It has its shiny bits but as a whole it's a huge mess.

>>54864250
Do go on....

>>54863877
Is this seriously a hard concept?

No one in DBZ was concerned about the destructive power fucking up the local economy or turning ki blasts or whatever into a infantry weapon...

Why does every here have to be weird about everything?

>>54864140
Sure. But none that your broken mind could comprehend.

>>54864359
Frieza's entire shtick was militarizing the Saiyans to wipe out planets that didn't fall in line, what are you on about?

>>54864140
What if they go blitz and just stay blitz?

has anyone found any good archetype combinations for starfinder?

>>54864149
I'm saying I want a game that will trigger the /pol/fags as much as the SJWs, the atheists as much as the hyper-religious, the lewds as much as the prudes.

>>54864422
uh....his actual stick was shooting explosive laser beams at people, and eventually getting cut in half and then getting a planet-destroying laser beam shot at HER.

most of the show is people training, powering up, and punching each other with lasers. The power level just goes up and up and up and no one really realizes that goku is technically going back in time with his instant transmission thing, or that he could destroy the economy, or that eath having a military is super confusing when you can train humans to shoot lasers.

people just roll with it and it works great.

>>54864462
Then make a bamboozle. They piss off everybody.

>>54864487
I dunno about you but bamboozles entertain me since I thrive on the salt they produce.

>>54864511
Well if you thrive off salt, you'll likely be difficult to trigger regardless. Best to skip over people like that.

>>54864464
In the shortlived mmo and the stuff using its legacy Gohan writes a book explaining ki and so everyone becomes a martial artist. Nobody just rolls with anything for long.

>>54864464
Most humans don't have the capacity to use ki. Freeza had an army of aliens that could(in which a basic grunt could take on several earth armies). People like Roshi, Krillen, and Yamcha are all super fucking rare.

>>54864412
Just PM him already! The sexual tension is palpable, you tsundere trashcan.

If you PM me we aren't friends anymore.

>>54865268
I'll be friends with whoever PMs this Anon

>>54865268
What's your Discord?

>>54865349
SuperBunnyHop#4064

aaaaaa I want to PM DHB~

I want to infect an android girl with a specially coded Slut Virus today!

>>54865390
Sending you a PM now. Time to not be friends, loser.

>>54865412
Why don't you?

>>54865412
So why don't you? Just check the LFG for any game he's applied to.

>>54861310
To know everything there is to know about that blasted Dungeon and how to destroy it for good.

>>54862984
Does that mean that you could potentially have 3 swift actions in one turn?

>>54865508
Yes.

>>54865479
The one from Phantom Hourglass?

>>54865508
Seems that way. But you need your swift actions for more stuff now, so there's a good reason for that.

>>54861310
To be loved. To feel accepted.

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>Verces for the augmentations
>Triaxus for the Corporate Intrigue and Conspiracies

Which one is best for being a Deus Ex?

DHB is the only martial in intrigue. He's gonna get cucked hard isn't he.

>>54865547
/pfg/ campaigns tend to adore their martials, he's in a good place.

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>>54865528
From a custom setting my friend made. Long story short there's this MASSIVE dungeon that appeared one day a long time ago, buried super deep into the countryside that's constantly spewing out monsters and is difficult to fully contain since the structure is almost alive in how it shifts, resets puzzles, and has a seemingly endless supply of nasties at every level. An entire town was built around it, making pretty much everyone that lived there fabulously wealthy since it was an Adventurers hotspot and so long as brave souls were willing to go down and fight the horde they'd come back with oodles of treasures from the fallen creatures.

Later on our characters (including my Paladin of Iomede) found out that what basically happened is that this "dungeon" is what remains of an entire universe that was destroyed by our GM's God of Destruction that shows up in all of his games, only a small sliver of it surviving, squishing itself up into a much smaller space than what was actually left (thus causing the warping of space and time within its walls), and shoving the "splinter" into our world.

He's defeated creatures like pic related that came from the Dungeon, but in his mind the way to end it for good is to destroy the entire structure.

Friendly reminder that anything a Cybernetic Enhancement can do, you can also do with Biotech, it's just going to cost +10% more.

>discord was a good idea.

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What happens here?

>>54865980
Who thinks it is?

Is there a gun using archetype for the warder?

I've been asked to do a little bit of helping out in regards to creating a party of characters inspired by destiny. Thus far we've come up with the hunter being a desperado, the warlock being a gunsmoke mystic, but I'm having a hard time with the titan. Maybe I could just drop the gunplay because a lot of the titan's abilities favor melee anyways; it would be nice to work it in though.

>>54866014

That's where the Kasatha live.

>>54866168
Yeah, but what HAPPENS there?

>>54862053
How is Starfinder?

>>54866194

There's some cool stuff, but it could definitely stand some revision.

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Thought you guys might find this a little fun!

>>54866181
Blowbangs where they can tug off four guys at once

>>54866290

>Trash glam
Absalom Station was a mistake.

>>54866290
That's actually pretty nice.

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>>54866290

>and the gothic severity of Apostae

Does this mean that gothic lolita is in fashion in the Pact Worlds?

>>54866456
More importantly, it means Gothic Severity is the Drow fashion of the future.

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They aren't even trying anymore.

>>54866504
They stopped trying a long time ago. Even this isn't as blatant as the rip-offs in Horror Adventures.

>>54866504
I love how they literally got a "Conspiracy Theories are sometimes true" Threat.

>>54863704
We should add more to this. Is anyone saving the stuff that gets made?

>>54861310
He now has the backing of a nation and is on his way to redeem a rising god of evil in the name of Sarenrae.

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>>54867429

Sure, people have put out some decent stuff. If you've got something to add, feel free to do so.

>>54867531
It's a little late for me, but do you have the picture with the location of the trees? I could use it for an idea tomorrow

First dubs picks my Pathfinder class and archetype

(any non 3pp is good)

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>>54867575

Yo.

>>54867589
Core Monk

>>54867589
Vigilante (Serial Killer)

>>54867589
Chained Rogue

>>54867589
Witch (Gingerbread Witch)

>>54867592
Thanks

>>54867700
Hilarious

>>54867700
double dubs, toil and trubs

>>54867726
I love how, for a short period of time, that archetype was Society legal and would just allow you to eat people without it being considered an evil act by RAW.

Is there anyway to get vital strike on a PoW Strike?

>>54863692
Essentia was that. It got 0 interest.

>>54867899
Nope, Vital Strike is essentially its own Standard Action, which PoW strikes also fill the role of. There MAY be strikes that replicate the functionality of Vital Strike at higher levels, but that's as close as you're gonna get.

>>54867899
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/e-h/heritor-knight/
>Whenever the heritor knight makes a melee attack as a standard action, she can apply the effects of Improved Vital Strike to that attack.
RAW, this lets you Vital Strike on a PoW strike.

>>54867899
>>54868022
Well actually, Strikes are Standard Actions usually.

But, I think there is ONE way to get it to work. I think.

There is Gorum's Divine Fighting Technique, which lets you apply Vital Strike on the attack made at the end of a charge, and on some attacks of opportunity. This disconnects it from the attack action. So you also take Martial Charge or Seize the Opportunity, and you can apply vital strike to those attacks, despite them potentially being PoW Strikes.

>>54868038
This is kinda shaky, I feel. That's a really weird line and I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of it even was or what benefit it's supposed to convey.

>>54868135
Seize the Opportunity doesn't let you make Martial Strikes on Attacks of Opportunity.
It only lets you Vital Strike on them.

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I just got a mythic level. I'm reading about the paths. I'm a bard/paladin multiclass, so I'm leaning towards guardian for maximum protect allies, or heirophant for maximum heal allies. Anything in particular I should know? All new to me.

>>54868142
Doesn't it?

I thought it did.

Oh well, scratch that one then.

Martial Charge remains a thing, unless my poor memory aims to make a fool of me twice over.

>>54868179
Martial Charge works, though I still prefer the Heritor Knight meme.

>>54868182
I'm still confused as to what the fuck that line was initially meant to accomplish or allow them to do.

>>54868191
If you charge as a standard action (for example, you can do that whenever staggered), it would allow you to Vital Strike at the end of that charge, etc.

>Find new group in LGS
>The seem cool people
>Session 0
>20 point buy, can't dump stat below 10
>Almost anything but Unchained allowed as long as it's 1pp. Occult classes are a maybe
>Low magic items (no feats allowed)
>One of the players recomends another played to roll a Monk, everybody think that's great
...I'm thinking on stepping in and inform people about the problems of a monk in this kind of game, because it will suck, but I'm new and I don't know this people well...

>>54868246
Ahh just lighten up and enjoy it.

Don't get so mixed up in /pfg/'s high power chicanery that you lose your sense of scale.

Just let it play out and see how it goes.

>>54868246
I'd advise against it. People that dumb can't be convinced that they're wrong, you'll just piss them off.

>>54868261
>in /pfg/
Sorry, but I have enough experience under my belt, don't need pfg advices to know that's a bad idea, I played enough monks to know you need more than 20 point buy to be even relevant, he'll end with something like 14, 14, 14, 10, 14, 10 and then won't be able to hit shit because, again, he isn't an Unchained Monk.

The fact that the magic items will be scarce and hard to get what we want will mean he can't dump str in favour of Dex or Wis (for agile or guided AoMF). I'm thinking on recommend a Brawler instead so he can easy up on the stats thanks to light armor, shields and d10 HD.

Fuck, the character I thought about and the GM gave a go outclasses the poor monk in absolutely everything ever (Inquisitor), and I wasn't even optimizing.

>>54868322
Have you had a look at what the other players are gonna be doing?

If everyone's shit, nobody is.

#planetfinder

>>54868246
>no feats allowed
what the fuck

>Woah this new GM is super cool, he allows Skinwalkers... lets see what can I do, bloodrager looks awesome, what do you say GM? that I should take a look at shape-shifting bloodline? that makes sense, my race is a shape-shifter
>minus 100% synergy

>>54868492
No magic item creation feats

>>54868492
Probably means no crafting feats to circumvent the low magic item availability

Oi, got a question.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shield-master-combat-final/

That's that first part of the feat actually mean?

>You do not suffer any penalties on attack rolls made with a shield while you are wielding another weapon.

You don't suffer penalties to attack rolls due to using a shield as well. Unless it's a tower shield I guess. But given that it's behind TWF, I don't think that's what the feat's for?

>>54868541
no, only for twf shenanigans, it's in the FAQ

>>54868550
Oh okay, so like...

If you have shield master, then bash attacks don't eat the penalty for TWF?

>>54868574
Yep

>>54868365
I heard arcanist and skald

>>54868246
Convince em to play Zen Archer, now you're in cruise control

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Are there any official stats for Dire Boar animal companions? More specifically, Dire Boar cavalier mounts?

Orcs of Golarion explicitly states that orc druids can take them as companions, and in the entry for cavaliers they're mentioned in passing, but I can't find any crunch specifications.

If an official entry doesn't exists, are there any guidelines for adapting a monster entry for animal companions?

(If the above fails I guess I could just take the Beast Rider archetype and apply the 7th level size increase to a normal boar, but it seems kinda roundabout for a fairly iconic monstrous mount.)

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>>54868778
Just checked Archives of Nethys, the PFSRD, and Orcs of Golarion, and the animal companion stats for a dire boar are nowhere to be found.

So I checked a few bestiaries, and I can say with a fair amount of confidence that the Dire Boar has never received an animal companion statblock.

I've written up a few animal companion entries before - mostly for magical beast companion options - so I do have a bit of familiarity with what you're supposed to do with this sort of thing. to make the dire boar entry, you basically just have to take the basic boar entry, make its starting strength 15 instead of 13, lower the constitution score from 15 to 13, and make it medium size base so that when it hits large at level 7, it gets +8 to strength, -2 to dex, and +4 to con.

Homebrewing is all we have for this, unfortunately, as they've apparently neglected to include dire boars in the game at all.

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>>54868778
>>54869203
Take boar. Apply dire animal template.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/boar/boar
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/dire-creature-cr-2-tohc/

So simple, when you see it you be like 'waaaaah, I dun believe!', no skill involved at all. I could have done it myself!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXyUH10E7jc

>>54869400
A dire boar is a specific creature, you nob.It's not even listed in the template links of the page you just laid out. On top of that, when are you going to convince a GM to let you take an animal companion with the dire template?

>>54869400
(you)

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>>54869460
>[supplement we are using] says I can take this [creature]. Stats for [creature] do not exist, but [template] and [lower powered version of creature] exist.
>Creature is an animal, template is an animal.

I dunno, seems fairly straight forward and a logical progression of events to a well reasoned position.

>>54869489
It's not because animal companions foloow different rules and their progression depends on your druid level

>>54869489
Dire animal is a massive boost; way more massive than even the level 7 boost to large size for most animals. It takes the boar's already excellent natural armor for +6 to +11, would give it a stat loadout of 21/14/23/2/17/12, and increases its speed to that of a horse, at level 1. It's way too fucking much, and you'd know that if you actually read the damn entry.

>>54869489
So I can take a bear as a 1st level char and add dire template without a problem? nice, that's going to be my next char.

>>54869400
Small bit of homebrew, but on the srd, there is a war bull listed, it probably would be fine to use that as a base form. Just add scent to its level one SQ's, and maybe for its level four advancement, instead of trample, give it the bristle boars spine ability.

>be druid
>your animal companion can kill the fighter 10 times in a row

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>>54869585
Gotta make those martials suffer, dontcha know.

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http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uimo?DC-70

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uip3?We-Need-to-Talk-Monster-Math

Are these two threads proof that Starfinder's skill check DCs for starships and monsters become unreasonably difficult to reach by 13th level or so, and become totally absurd by 20th level?

Is this why Dead Suns goes up to only 12th level: because of a lack of 13th-level and above playtesting?

>>54869585
Eh blame paizo's shit writing for not mentioning the required adjustment to companion level to get it.

>>54869604
I imagine they'll retcon out these problems when they get to the second printing of Starfinder's core book, and then pretend it was never a thing in the first place, like the assholes they are.

>>54869604
so like CMDs?

>>54869676
Yeah, but applied to everything writ large instead of specific shit that you can ignore.

>>54869604
Mark did say that Starfinder is harder on equal cr fights than PF

>>54867990
>>54863692
Essentia got enough interest for what it put out, as did Intrigue (which is Golarion but otherwise custom campaign). I think the issue is not all GMs are good/experienced/have time enough to make and run a custom campaign, nevermind a full setting - and thus, they will be in the minority when it comes to games offered. Running APs, on the other hand, is like building IKEA furniture. Yeah, it can get nice and useful for everyone, but it's not gonna be as shiny and new and unique as a custom game. But not everyone is a carpenter.

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Hope your sessions have been fun and eventful, /pfg/.

>>54869779
All sessions last weekend got cancelled

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>>54869203
>>54869579
Thanks for the help

It feels kinda strange that halflings are the most straighforward rider of boars when even real-life ones can get pretty damn big.

All these fuckups in the Starfinder CRB got me wondering, if a second printing of a book is made with edits, is the updated version of the pdf made available to everyone that bought the original pdf?

>>54869952
Yes.

Wasn't Mark Seifter the editor, everything he's written since working for paizo has something fucked up, part of the reason for having the wood kineticist completely reprinted in Ultimate Wilderness

As much as I prefer a physical book (mostly due to it being easier for me to use), I'm rather inclined towards picking up the Starfinder CRB pdf. Problem there would be editing it to apply any FAQs or corrections.

Anyone have a word/hint/sign/etc. that Paizo's going to drop a Day One errata/FAQ document for Starfinder CRB?

>>54870002
No word on it, but if you're looking to pick it up I recommend waiting for the second printing first, and pirate it before then.

>>54870000
According to Mark Seifter, he was only involved in the early stages of development, but then removed from the project and other people changed a lot.
E.g. initially he gave Operatives Skill Focus because Skill Focus was untyped and stacked with Operative's edge. After he was removed from development, Skill Focus was changed to Insight and stopped stacking.

>try to make a new monster
>Google is either Paizo, which has Monster Creation and Simple Monster Creation (which somehow is longer) on top of looking up actual monsters, or some random forums and sites that don't really help

how do I git gud
is there a comprehensive guide at this other than the one I found at Paizo

Has anyone ever made a low category size monster with high CR? Apparently the lowest three have "cap" on CR or something.

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>>54870140
>Has anyone ever made a low category size monster with high CR? Apparently the lowest three have "cap" on CR or something.

How stupid.

Best of luck to you anon

>>54870183
For reference I was trying to import/convert a character into Pathfinder except they're so fucking small that they can fit in a teacup., but CR of 2 or lower doesn't feel like it would do justice for them, because they're definitely not a pushover.

What's the best order (read: least time consuming) to tackle stuff while creating a monster, anyway?

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>>54870258
>What's the best order (read: least time consuming) to tackle stuff while creating a monster, anyway?
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Honestly, the Advanced Race Guide has stats for creating your own racial profiles, use that combined with whatever NPC/PC class levels seem appropriate would be the most direct solution. You can even add a template to them if you are looking for some extra pzazz.

>>54869779
Shit, I decided to not come back

I'm planning on trying Pathfinder at Gencon. My only experience with RPGs has been a single session with 4e and a couple with 5e.
What am I in for?
Why do other RPG threads call you guys weebs and furries?

>>54870396
>Why do other RPG threads call you guys weebs and furries?
One autist creates a lot of weeb/furry OP's, everyone is tired of fighting him.

>I'm planning on trying Pathfinder at Gencon. My only experience with RPGs has been a single session with 4e and a couple with 5e.
>What am I in for?
It's a different game, honestly. Rules are more a bit more convoluted than in either 4e or 5e, but shouldn't be too hard to approach in a gencon context. The class design seems fun, so I hope you enjoy it!

>>54869779
Mine was a downtime session. Not the most exciting. Shopping for dresses for a feast and cute girl on girl bonding over paladinness and magic weapons.

Now I have 4 days to figure out how to present the right kind of clues for the coming man hunts through not!Venice

>>54869649
I'd rather that than pretending there's no problem and never doing anything about it. Like what will happen with Solarian and Envoy.

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>>54861310
Death.

>>54870396
Because this thread is filled with gaia tier weebs and furries. This place has an unnatural obsession with fucking kitsune/cat girls/wolfgirls/cute bullshit for some reason, but this general is honestly an aberration as far as player base goes.

Stick around for a few threads, you'll understand why this board fucking hates us.

As far as PF as a game goes, I honestly can not recommend it unless you heavily modify it with 3rd party stuff. If you want to run a basic bitch fantasy setting look elsewhere, as that's where 3.PF preforms at it's worst.

My DM is letting everyone make their own character race using ARG 15 RP

What insane things can I make?

>>54870719
>What insane things can I make?
Don't. Being an ass towards your DM for allowing nice things is rude.

I have a PC who wants to play what is basically an elf cowboy, with roping/lassoing from a mount as his primary attack style. Is that remotely workable past early levels?

>>54870706
It's also somewhat prevalent on roll20, though I don't know if it's specific to the PF userbase there.

>>54870778
>Is that remotely workable past early levels?
No.

I want to do duo apps, but the app circus means that's a garunteed rejection. Have both halves of a duo ever gotten in?

Because I really want to play a pair of idols, one a normal elf the other a Drow, only one is pure, Russian roulette on which one it is.

And you know, have a campaign where that makes sense as half the party

>>54870719
Insane how exactly

>>54871081
>Have both halves of a duo ever gotten in?
RotJR, both groups essentially did.

>>54871189
The FotJR duo doesn't count since they were accepted before the app circus even kicked off due to being friends of the DM. I can't think of any actual duo apps from SotJR.

>>54871234
I consider Onryou and Casimir basically one since the player specifically requested in and Saturday was more or less built around Onryou. But it's fair if you don't count that one.

>>54871081
Please tell me you play it straight, and the Elf's actually the pure one. Everyone is going to expect the Drow to be the virgin because modern society is obsessed with subversion.

>>54871366
S U B V E R S I O N

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>>54871081
Can I play the buff bodyguard of your Idol pair?

>>54871366
And contrarian retards are obsessed with playing everything straight, you can't win.

>>54871248
I forgot that Swimming Eagle posted a list of people we wanted to play with. What a shitbag.

>>54871366
A Drow who left Drow society is more likely to take to the host culture and thus actually makes more sense to be the pure one while the one raised there would want to rebel.

Depends on the society though.

>>54871435
Why would a Drow take to their host culture when Drow society is pretty aggressive in it's dominance? In fact, the information we have on Apostae suggests the Drow are trying very hard to increase their population, which suggests the Drow girl would be expected to have some kids before even thinking of getting off-world.

Forlorn Elf would adhere to their host culture, as you said. They're seen as dead to Sovyrian society, and mourned as such.

>>54871390
Then all you need is a manager, and you're golden

>>54871390
>>54871390
This image makes me angry.

>>54871472
>Drow (Idol)
>Elf (Idol)
>Bodyguard (Ace Pilot? Mercenary?)
>Manager (Outlaw)

I like it!

>>54871471
It's almost like people are individuals and don't all perfectly fit into what they're host culture asks or expects of them. Every society has it's "deviants". Weeaboo's from pretty every culture, ethnicity, and walk of life pop up pretty regularly. It's not impossible for someone to look somewhere else and say "those people have the right idea" even if their view on what "those people" practice is warped or flawed.

>>54871423
We are talking about THE BIGGEST POPULARITY CONTEST ever held in here
It was fair game

>>54871509
Didn't Overlewd and Ensoulment both overtake it in terms of app volume?

>>54871502
See, I agree that people are individuals and you could certainly find a pure waifu Drow because even a planet of asshole hyper-capitalists will have outliers... But an Idol? A big ole Celebrity girl? That's a little much to me...

Unless her unique childhood and upbringing is what made her such a fascinating media icon to begin with.

>>54871549
Are we talking Truman Show here?

>>54871568
The Bone Sages of Eox literally have the Truman Show. Multiple versions of the Truman Show, in fact.

So I know everyone usually makes people change alignment towards Evil, but have you ever forced an alignment change to Good?

>Been GMing my party for a while
>Reaching 10th levels
>Decide to offer my party one (1) free Wish after rolling high on the encounter table right after a pretty heroic encounter
>Party, in-RP, comes to their own conclusion that they should use the wish to restore to life a village that was mostly decimated, even if they've never even been to the village, that I had mentioned it offhandedly
>Grant them their wish, telling them their alignments have now changed one step towards Good for the selflessness of their act
>Everyone was edgy TN or CN before that to not get fucked by spells and effects fucking up Good
>BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor.jpg

>>54871663
>playing with alignments
But no, I've never seen someone force a PC to "rise" into being Good.

>>54871568
>>54871586
One hundred years Truman Show?

>>54871663
That sounds like a really good way to get them to murder a few innocents to bump their alignments back down.

>>54871663
I'm playing in an all-Goblin fuckery campaign. I started out as a CN Goblin raised by humans who was slowly learning how to be a Goblin. I attack one armed guard in a forest ambush and my GM tells me to shift to evil. Meanwhile, another player who is NE gives food to the Goblin tribe's dwarven slave out of nothing but compassion and everyone looks at me sideways when I suggest that he should probably change to true neutral.
>"You can be evil and still do good things, anon."

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What are your favorite types of tieflings, /pfg/?

>>54871767
A dead one.

Preferably, one that never existed in the first place.

>>54871767
Demon-Blooded Tieflings, Oni-Blooded Tieflings and more.

>>54871744
I don't think they will, it was mostly consentual and everyone agreed it was a fair call frankly. I know my players, I've been GMing them for over a year now. This kinda was the logical conclusion of all the things they've done so far, however. It was kinda obvious everyone was neutral for the mechanical benefits at one point.

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>>54869779
The only event is the character creation that we've redone the past couple of times.

My players haven't emailed me back with their new choices, so I expect to do more of it. Some of it might be my fault for using an unusual ruleset: Gestalt, 25 PB, PoW, Psionics, Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting.

Every old gestalt character they abandon gets redone as a single classed NPC that they will fight later.

>>54871767
That's not a tiefling, anon.

>>54869779
No. I fucking hate my life.

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>>54871814
>>54871767
The nature of the Vast is such that Deer-People who are incredibly turned on by the scent of Humans could probably be out there.

>>54869779
Do you speak French or do you just enjoy the language?

>>54871851
Still not a tiefling.

>>54870396
If you're still here anon
This shit: >>54871851

Is why people justly hate this general.

Hey, anyone know where I can find a PDF of the updated Curse of the Crimson Throne?

>>54871767
aaaaaa the ones in an unrequited love!

>>54871471
>the Drow is pure because she was used as breeding stock to buy her escape
Fund it

>>54871899
Wist no don't

Goddamn I just want a leak of the first Starfinder AP

>>54871889
It's in the trove.

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>>54871910
>Motherly Drow Idol that presents a softer, more "mature" side to her race

>>54871929
I can't seem to find it in any of the Troves: Any idea where I would find it under?

>>54871948
Nevermind, am an idiot. It's under the original adventure path.

>>54870706
Gaia-tier is troublesome, but people who like anime/are furries in general don't bother me, so long as they have the social and self awareness to know when and when not to display it.
Which is, sadly, something many people could learn.

I love cute bullshit, but know when to keep it under wraps. While I would like to make a catgrill/kitsune/etc as a character, I'd only do so when I've first proven myself to a group and they're comfortable that I'm not going to be a That Guy.


>>54871881
That's a pretty mild example. The rest of the Drow talk going on is probably worse.

That aside, I've been looking at the events for PF at Gencon and it seems every module gives you a pre-gen character at a certain level range to do a quick 90 minutes-2 hour mission.
Seems to be a good way to get one's feet wet, but I'd also like to find a group that runs a fresh campaign for like 4-5 hours as a sample to a 'real' experience.

Starfinder is such a fucking tease, I've got a half-dozen character concepts I want to start working on and I neither have a sheet to edit nor a campaign to join.

>>54872018
There are already loads of character sheets floating about though

>>54872033
None on Myth-Weavers though!

Where could one get a good mini for a Ysoki mechanic?

Campaign that focuses on galactic idols and their struggles when?
>Concerts all over the pact worlds, on the prison planet, in the Diaspora and Vesk Space, and some locations in the vast

>>54872121
Are you a good enough dude to convince the Veskarium that expressing emotions in public and embracing love is a good idea?

>>54868503
If you want to take advantage of your natural attacks either go
Extra skinwalker trait, Barbarian (animal fury, beast totem powers)
or
Extra skinwalker trait, Bloodrager (Abyssal bloodline9, Trait: Adopted (Orc): Toothy
or
Alchemist (Feral mutagen)

In all these ways you get 6 natural attacks (bite, gore, claw, claw, hoof, hoof)

>>54872204
Fuck, last one (the alchemist) also needs Extra skinwalker trait

So I made a character in a hurry for a first session and now I regret it. The problem is:

>it's the second time this happened, with the same DM
>my backstory was taken under account when he was creating the campaign plot
>I'm a coward

Should I just grow some balls? Would you allow me to change my character if you were the DM?

>>54872234
Sit down with your GM. Talk with him about it. See if you can come up with a decent solution.

Solves 80% of problems.

New thread

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>>54872096
I don't know for sure that you could find a good mini, but you could do worse than one of these Reaper mouselings.

>>54872234
Shit, you're fucked, you can't do nothing now. Choke GM's gf to death and flee to Mexico.

>>54869725
If they are, it's unintentional. The rules for building encounters and defining how challenging they are are identical.