Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

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Ey ya gits, I wanna try out 10 Nobs, 1 with PK, 9 with Power Stabbas, A normal Warboss, and a WAAAGH! Banner nob in a ard case battlewagon with deffrolla.
My only concern is that is combo is a hefty 599 points, and I want to you know if anyone has tried something similar, and if this is worth the investment?
If no, whats the ideal way to run nobs? They seem great this edition compared to in 7th

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>>54847166

NO STEEL LEGION PLASTICS PLEASE WE NEED UPDATED CADIANS I CAN'T TAKE THESE FOOTBALL SIZED SHOULDERPADS AND HELMETS ANY LONGER PLEASE

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*blocks your path*

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So what faction/race do the femanons (if they exists) on /40kg/ like to lewd the most?
dont say nids

Outside of the lore and whatnot, why do so many people have a problem with bigger, better, more detailed marine models?

I personally love them and they kind of make me not want to use my original Marines.

Best changes? The new helmets and the fact that the pauldrons are more appropriately proportioned.

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is it at all fluffy for a defiler to have the soul of someone bound to it rather than a daemon?

Good new thread here
gtfo retarded jackoff
>>54847210
>>54847210
>>54847210

>>54847221
Nurgle.

>>54847221
Shitposter-kun, please!
Don't try to derail the thread so early~

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guise I'm running out of HWT

>Bought one of those crusader citadel boxes

Could it hold around 300 models?

>>54847258

Are you going to sell off your metal SL if these plastic SL rumours turn out to be true?

>>54847242
Stay butthurt that you were too slow fag
To help get this thread going what's everyone working on, I'd post something myself but I've been at work all day

>>54847242
This one was made before faggot. And the both have shitty sister memes so they both suck.

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>>54847242
>Being this assblasted over not making a new thread first
Pottery

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>>54847271

why would I? My goal is to have 300 infantry to complete this army, and I'm only to 110 lasguns + some shitload of HWT. Plastic steel legion will just let me convert better officers and mix new poses in with the old models, assuming they look similar enough.

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Sickeningly poor fluff element that never should have even been hinted at confirmed.

Okay tg so I've heard a lot of complaints about lore lately so here goes
You can utterly vaporize the lore that spawned from one single book/supplement/codex/whatever from any edition
What do you pick?

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How should I make my herald of nurgle stand out from my plaguebearers? I'm the guy with the "thicc daemonettes"

>>54847310
NYET

>>54847290

Go to bed, tired cat anon.

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>>54847285

30 more of these to go.

>>54847221
genestealer cults

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>>54847319

Swarmlord

>>54847311
All that power and they still had to bathe in blood just to be safe.

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>>54847310
Dr. Green here to remind everyone to take their daily dose.

>>54847290
>cheetahfag is defending my thread
>feels good man
How are your berserking doing with the new codex? Or are you a different big cat homosexual?

>>54847328
I've still got ice to mine, so I'll be up for at least another hour

Why is there still no official roster builder with the meme builder being dead for so fucking long?

Chaos players keep losing, are they not unloading soul grinders? Come on!

>>54847319
1st War for Armegeddon. Can we just have no Chaos involved in something 4 once.

>>54847350
Read the filename, I'm just a friend of cheetah

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>>54847198

>doesn't even have a planet
>demands new armor

Nah, new stuff is reserved for regiments that still hold their homeworlds.

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>>54847285
I made a Devilfish for Konor. Also a random person thought my freehand cadre markings were decals, which made me feel nice.

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>>54847310
Uuuuuuum, what?

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>>54847166
Do we no longer have any audiobooks in megas? It looks like all rules in all of them, no other media.

Does anyone have one saved with audio?

>>54847321
>thicc daemonettes
?

>>54847339

That part's been soft retconned already. New fluff states the Grey Knights fought alongside the Sororitas and kicked ass.

At about the same time, the retconned the BA/Necron alliance into the Necrons tricking/fucking with the BA, and the BA commanders coming up with the alliance cover-story while secretly plotting vengeance.

>>54847319

T A U

>>54847369
did you just put red markings on plastic and called it a finished model? the state of tau painting these days.

>>54847319
aeldari

>>54847369
kawaii

>>54847339

That's the thing though: Except for only recruiting psykers and having their own fancy equipment setup, Grey Knights are just ordinary Astartes.

But now they're ordinary Astartes with THE EMPEROR'S OWN GENE SEED

...Hell, does the Emperor even have progenoids? He's a ball of Turkish psykers, not a Primarch.

>>54847405
well it's a step up from grey tide isn't it?

>>54847399

Which GW writer should we thank for undoing the Mat Ward fuckery?

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>>54847310

>>54847369

>gray tide with some red stickers on it
>Tau

checks out

Is it seriously only 90pts for 30 conscripts?

Are we getting plastic clampack Primaris lieutenants? Or do I just make them from intercessors?

>>54847344
>An ancient meme reawakens
Thought the days of be getting got by that was long gone

>new codex release
>no one shows up for games
Anyone get to test it yet? Just looking at it and all the price reductions it just seems like a huge buff for chaos.

I've been able to fit in tons of extra models in to my list, an average saving of 100-130 points over my index lists.

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>>54847319
tyrandis

or drastically change the lore around tyranids.

is everything have to be hopeless?

>>54847438
Matt Ward

>>54847399

No they retconned that one into the Silent King opens negotiations with Dante, who proceeds to try to nuke him under a flag of peace but the 'Crons detect the nuke and quietly teleport it out of the rhino and act like nothing happened.

>>54847458

in 40k?

YES. That's the point. You can get your noblebright scifi shit is a dozen other universes.

>>54847311
>doughty warrior

So a question: when does the Electromancer Canticle be triggered? I figured it was a temporary aura effect made only when units initially come within an inch, but my opponent and at least one other person insisted it only triggers at the beginning of battle turn when Canticles itself activates.

Still new to AdMech, not entirely sure.

>>54847221
I can't hate this little bugger.

>>54847453
You never been on /v/ then.

>>54847369
Is that green or unpainted plastic?

If you're going to make it so uniform then you're going need highlights my dude.

>>54847450
Guardfag here, can confirm
yes, at least 2 squads of 30 is manditory these days

>>54847337
Not a fan of "character" Nids?

>>54847405
>>54847449
It's painted Castellan green, and no those aren't stickers. Apparently my lighting is shit? Apologies for potato phone camera.

>>54847319
Get rid of nids. Let necrons be the unstoppable horror blah blah. At least they're tied to the War in Heaven like most of the other races. You want mutations and horrible aberrations? Go Nurgle.

>>54847405
>>54847449

>Grey
Are you blind or just slow Chaos players?

>>54847493
Fucking hell. That's a lot cheaper than I thought.

>>54847469
>the Silent King opens negotiations with Dante, who proceeds to try to nuke him under a flag of peace
Why are Space Marines not specifically noted otherwise such unrelenting cunts?

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HEY LOSER HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF

Night lords were retconned into a Khorne Slaanesh hybrid legion

AND

Iron warriors were retconned into a Nurgle Tzeetch hybrid legion

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>>54847391
That's what some fag on here called them when I first posted one of them as a joke (it had horrid mould lines). Since then he started two threads with that image calling them "thicc daemonettes edition"

>>54847458
>guardsmen tries to shoot himself
>BLAM
>misses with bs 4+
>tries again
>BLAM, some nids stop and start to move towards the noise
>fails to wound
>panics and empties what's left of his power pack into his lasburned helmet
>BLAM,BLAM,BLAM
>missed and fails to wound before getting one shot through that is saved by his 5+
>brutally eaten alive by rippers

>>54847524

You mean why can't space marines just honorably negotiate with soulless xenos armies who desire the extinction of all life? Tough one.

>>54847458
I'd sooner nides (or orkz) be the ones to bring apocalypse about for everyone else, than chaos. At least they wouldn't be insufferably smug about it.

>>54847229
No more any old MK variant armor. If only they would have just released normal Marines with the size of deathwatch/TS/DG

>>54847189
i've done it with fewer stabbas and it was a lot of fun, saves a few points and when screened by fast moving shit they had to deal with it was a fun squad to end the game with

>>54847458
>everything have to be hopeless?
Yes

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>reveal is tomorrow
>forgeworld open day is also tomorrow

TITANICUS

GET READY FOR TINY TITANS!

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>>54847492
Will do in the future. Or attempt. It's green, and I don't normally do vehicles/highlighting all that much, so I'm pretty new at it. Prefer painting infantry. Pic related.

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>>54847530

>>54847435

They're not the Emperor's own, they were made from the combined geneseed of the eight original members of the Grey Knights who were deemed ultimately pure of having never once succumbed to Chaos, and some of those members were even from Traitor Legions. The Emperor put all that shit together using his science magic to make what's now the Grey Knight geneseed.

The Emperor doesn't have progenoids, as he's just a very large human (confirmation taken from a Sister of Silence that's seen his true face, and surprise it's his normal face sans golden glow). He just took all the best parts that grew out of the scattered legions, as located by Malcador, and put them together.

>>54847546
As opposed to Imperium, who have souls and desire the extinction of all sentient life except for themselves.

>>54847271
Why someone would do it something like that?

>>54847319
Basically everything in the Emperor's Gift, but especially the months of shame shite

>>54847337
>no trigger discipline
absoultely heretical desu

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>>54847534
For some reason the herald is turning out REALLY dark though. Might drybrush him with Lucius?

>>54847230
yep, think of it as a shitty spawndom... or sweet as fuck if you're into being a 30ft mechanical monstrosity

>>54847575
>they were made from the combined geneseed of the eight original members of the Grey Knights who were deemed ultimately pure of having never once succumbed to Chaos, and some of those members were even from Traitor Legions.
A whole eight people who never succumbed to Chaos? Not even once? Well gosh golly if that isn't material for a super special chapter I don't know what is.

>>54847576

Uh yeah, the Imperium was creates just as the last flickers of human life were about to go out, as Xenos of all kinds swept in to pick apart the last human civilization. What makes 40k unique among universes is that the "good" guys really don't exist. The Imperium is a dogmatic, unforgiving, xenophobic engine of warfare because it HAS TO BE ONE in order for mankind to survive. The galaxy would eat them alive if they were even slightly tolerant.

>>54847367
>>54847334
>>54847309
>>54847258
Where are your Bullgryn?

>>54847614
Tau are tolerant and they do ok for themselves

>>54847344
I haven't been on /v/ in so long... haven't had a dose in years.......

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Anyone find anything new or interesting in the new GK or CSM codexes?

Reading over the GKs, fluffwise their dark Imperium era fluff is pretty neat, apparently the grand masters are seriously considering doing the terminus decree.

Crunchwise the relics are neat and the warlord traits are pretty good. Psybolt ammo is a semi-hidden gem and being able to deep strike entire dreadnoughts for a mere 1 CP is gold.

Sanctuary is sweet and will see serious play time as will astral aim.

The dreadknight grand master is an okay fire magnet to pop prognosticars and sanctuary on, being able to use the nemesis lord trait on the dreadknights daemonhammer makes it base D6+1, minimum 4 which is pretty sweet.

>>54847586
I wonder how'd these lot look with some splotches of other color wash...
Also, why's the nurgling not purple?

>>54847599

Something super special about all those fuckers. Whatever, that Luna Wolves guy was just tasked by Malcador to go and collect the other seven Dragonballs fucks, including some mysterious blackshield with half a face, a sad Ultramarine, and a feral Luna Wolf who was still running around Istvaan.

>>54847599
>Hundreds of thousands of your brothers fall
>More than a million of your cousins fall
>Half the people in the galaxy fall
>Your father and half your uncles fall

To be honest they did avoid lot of bad influence.

>>54847575
Look at the new codex, it straight up says GKs have a new geneseed with their progenitor being the emperor himself.

>>54847530
Perty was already retconned in to bring a Nurgle daemon prince, not an undivided one.

>>54847637
Tolerant, even when a species they take over mysteriously all dies to a plague the Tau are immune to

>>54847590
are all chaos dreadnaughts now called hellbrutes?

>>54847658

As soon as I'm done ridding myself of that epub filetype and translating it into much better pdf.

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>>54847559
But I want steel legion

>>54847660
I feel Nurgle Tzeetch would make more sense, with him loving protracted combat and brilliant planning.

>>54847660
>Perty
>Nurgle demon Prince
I don't know why but as Fist fag that make me feel bad for him

>>54847575

Can you source that? I'd dearly, dearly love for the emperor's gene seed thing to be bullshit once and for all.

>>54847637

Which is why people really don't like them. They are a good guy race in a universe unique for its lack of good guys. For every other race out there, you are either an unrelenting force of nature bent on destruction or you are in the path of those forces, and forced to compromise your humanity in some fashion in order resist the onslought. Adeptus Astartes are demigods of warfare that are practically monsters created to fight a galaxy of monsters.

Then along come Tau, and upend everything that made 40k different by implying every other race in the galaxy is just too stupid to be enlightened and peaceful and progressive. It's a bogus mary sue race that poisons the entire setting.

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>>54847689
NO

ITS TIME FOR CUTIE TITANS! SIX INCH WARLORD IS GOING TO BE THE FUCKING SHIT.

>>54847634

I don't like the models, and will never buy a model I think is ugly. I do have 5 of the 4th edition ogryn, though, which I will paint eventually.

>>54847643
I literally JUST started the herald. I'm going to make the nurgling orange with flesh shade like I did for some in the swarms. The plaguebearers DO have some nightshade, camoshade and earthshade splotches on them.

>>54847534
Cause they look like a joke. Even with what you were going for, they are bad.

So I just noticed that the Daemon Prince rules have rules for a "Warp Bolter". Given GW's post-chapterhouse hardon for having models for all options, does this mean a new Prince model is on the way?

>>54847660
Source pls

>>54847321
Use a different color. Sickly blue with splotches of green looks cool.

>>54847699

Reading the Grey Knight Codex, there's no mention of the "Emperor's Geneseed" not the nebulous "Emperor's Gift" that people thought to mean geneseed, save for it's the title of one paragraph.

It seems to feed directly into exactly what the Horus Heresy is unfolding in their story and founding, with there being eight original members that became the first Grey Knights. Over and over they they mention the twelve founding members of the Inquisitions, eight being Space Marines and four being mortal humans who would become Inquisitors.

>>54847701

Not really, pre-IoM humans tried the whole friendly galactic union thing. It ended badly. Now Tau are the human upstart union equivalents to contrast against the ancient dying (human) empire

Primaris Jetbikes confirmed as Primaris Space Marine Dusters and come in boxes of 3

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>>54847689
>Wanting big strong men in tight fitting clothes and high boots and leathery gas masks

>>54847755

Carnac's ass.

>>54847739
God dude. Your are all over the place, and not in a good way.

You are trying to pull of something a few anons on here are doing with their daemons but you dont understand the specific that goes into the colour scheme/matching.

>>54847778
que?

>>54847367
Are all of your steel legion minis metal? Or are they from 3rd party manufacturers?

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>>54847774

It literally says the Grey Knight geneseed is gifted with the Emperors own flesh and soul. It's his geneseed

>>54847806
My bet is chinaman

>>54847780
>>54847689
BAN IMOUTO POSTING

>>54847586
>Posting a model that still wet from shading.

You can't even wait for your model to be done drying before your on here looking for praise.

>>54847711
>cutie titans
n-no you

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>>54847815

>>54847797
Girlyman discovered the deviant angels jetbike and put it into mass production after cawl fixed it up for the primaris marines

>>54847776

We aren't going to agree on this. You seem to think that the existence of a young, prosperous, ambitious race with a bright future ahead of it fits fine in the 40k universe. I don't. To me, what sets 40k apart is the idea that there is no hope, no future, no heroism. The galaxy is fighting entropy and losing, and it's only a question of how long they can keep the candles burning before darkness descends forever. This isn't Star Trek, it's the Dark Ages in space.

>>54847641
Rules wise Noise marines go insane if you pump them full of CP.
Hell brutes can fire twice at the nearest target for only 1cp.
Emperor's children can abuse the relics/warlord traits to get 11 s8 attacks base.

Fluff wise Logar is leading the word bearers again, mustering his entire legion and marching out of the warp.
Emperor's children are desperately searching for fulgrim and his hidden pleasure planet.

>>54847780
But anon, don't you know girls can't be perverts, also to be honest I'm getting a bit tired of flack vests and shoulder pads

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>>54847806
>>54847812

Everything is metal except the custom commissar models and a couple of forgeworld stand ins. Pic related is 3rd party.

>>54847839
>We aren't going to agree on this
Definitely

>>54847778
>dusters
See now I know that ones obviously fake because that would be too hard for GW to copy write

>>54847857
I'm thinking of doing Steel Legion. How hard are they to paint?

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>this thread

>>54847482
Well of course it triggers when you're within an inch at melee, it's pretty useless even then and it's not like the Reroll Ones canticle or the+1S canticle is meant to apply to shooting or melee happening in the movement phase.

Frankly I have no idea why you'd really pick that Canticle unless you were trying to dogpile a vehicle to death with characters or something, but you were right there.

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>>54847848
>girls can't be perverts
THIS TUMMY SAYS OTHERWISE

>>54847871

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQof5EjyzLw&t=296s

Wait until the new AM codex arrives first. Guard may get new models, and possibly new steel legion infantry kits.

To try and fight the shitposting let's open up the forum
How do we fix Tau lore?
Please explain what you think is wrong and say how to fix it
If you think Tau lore is fine please say why
Not picking on Tau I just know that's one a lot of people say needs a lore buff

>>54847904
>This question again
The answers are always the same, squat them etc... They're fine as is, just need a big empire so wins and losses can happen more frequently

>>54847872
Id prefer chill shitposting compared to the enraged butthurt and vile being sprayed around for the last few threads

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>>54847904
>fight shitposting
>anything Tau related

>>54847198
But Steel Legion could easily include a second set of heads and also be acceptable Valhallans!

>>54847873
I was rolling for my Canticles, and was running Cawl. Rolled a 1 initially and didn't need the morale rerolls, was hoping for a few cheap mortal wounds against a land raider and some Rhinos.

>>54847548

>Orks unite under Ghaz and sweep entire galaxy
>Organized resistence collapses, Gork and Mork club the Chaos gods into submission
>Last outpost of resistence falls, Orks reign supreme
>Five minutes later it's total anarchy as the various Ork leaders start fighting each other
>Underground resistence movements of the various races start to organize during the chaos
>Leaders thought lost or dead begin to rally the shattered remnants of their people
>Across the galaxy, on a million worlds, a billion stories of survival and resistence are woven
>These are the tales of those times

>>54847904
Stayed tuned tomorrow, I was planning on making a thread just for this, I think Tau have tons of lost potential with their lore, GW just can't do nuenced shit I guess

>>54847321
>How should I make my herald of nurgle stand out from my plaguebearers?

Give him a Palanquin.

Or like a shirt or something. A Herald of Nurgle rocking a "PlagueCon 357.M36" t-shirt would be unique.

>>54847974
Go away rob/random BOLS shitposter

>>54847930
>start shitposting
>disguised as an attempt to fight shitposting
>4D shitposting

>>54847957
and Krieg or Vostroya and you could retcon the look of Mordians to be more Napoleonic and include them too.

>>54848003
>mordians
>not double ultra ded

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>>54847639
Here ya go.

>>54847740
Don't listen to this faggot. They look dope.

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>>54847740
That's what I was saying about them when I first posted them, but people wouldn't stop saying that the purple was nice

>>54847817
Missing the point. I was asking how to make him praiseworthy.

>>54847783
That's actually what I'm going for. Each of my 10 plaguebearers units is a different colour
1. Camoshade (lame and boring)
2. Purple (I wish I'd drybrushed them, but when I started, I didn't own one or the paints I needed)
3. Beil Tan green (just look in the 7th edition codex)
4. Sephia with beil tan splotches (also look at the 7th ed codex)
5. Flesh shade


I like the variety I'm getting, especially with the nurgling swarms that have a rabble of unique colours (my "skittle swarms"). Am I not allowed to maint my dudes anything but green on here?

>>54848071
Meant to say 5 units of 10

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>>54848045
>mfw Super's so shit that even the worst of GW's current stuff looks better

>>54847904
They're just too good at everything, to the point where they outdo several other factions at their specialties. Pick one thing, preferably their "federation of races" thing, and build their strengths around that. Don't have them being better tacticians and special forces than Marines, better at straight fights than Guard, laughing at Mechanicus tech and still magical enlightened tolerant people who can do no wrong, magically avoid the consequences of their actions (conquer hive worlds = massive infrastructure problems since no comparatively sized agri/forges, Chaos sonehow stays away from their AI and tech, etcetera). They should be cool because they use conbined arms and have a variety of outloikd and perspectives in their empire, not because they're just too precious to lose. Have them take more outright defeats too. I would probably have the Tau Empire split up, maybe have a Mechanicus Xenologis Crusade/Necrons/Whatever burn a swathe through the empire and fragment it, forcing billions-strong refugee fleets to flee in all directions. Pop the 4th sphere out the warp on the othe side of the galaxy and boom, excuse to have Tau fighting anywhere, more varied organisation and a way to put Tau morals to the test by having them have to raid to survive ect. Some take over or settle new planets or systems, and so on.

>>54847701
>Then along come Tau, and upend everything that made 40k different by implying every other race in the galaxy is just too stupid to be enlightened and peaceful and progressive. It's a bogus mary sue race that poisons the entire setting.

You have to Go Up to Fall Down. The Tau are a young, ascendant race, an Empire in it's early stages. It's a nice bit of contrast compared to the Imperium (The busted ass wreck of a human galactic empire built on the ruins of a second, earlier human galactic empire), the Eldar (the desperate survivors of a galactic empire that got so into their own fetishes that they blew a hole into reality and forced them to live in RVs/the last functional port), and the Necrons (primordial robot skeletons who's empire is so dead even the people who helped wreck it only half remember it)

The Tau have millenia ahead of them to fuck things up. Them being around to exploit the collapse of older powers is just how Empires tend to crumble.

>>54847369
Grey plastic with pink freehand?

>>54847534
You must be the anon who asked about his broken dude earlier. Don't worry about running him as an icon. Actually, don't even bother. Icon of despair only gives nearby foes a -1 ld, which is trash

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>>54847904

>>54847904

I'll answer this question one more time so that I can screencap it and save for later.

The problem with Tau is that they don't contribute to the theme and mood of 40k's setting, but instead completely undermine it. What makes 40k different from the myriad other scifi universes out there is its inherent pessimism and gloom. 40k is the Dark Ages in space, when the greatest achievements of civilization are passed and all but forgotten, barbarians are always pounding on the doors, and life is nasty, cruel, brutish, and short. The struggles of the "good" races in 40k are struggles against entropy, against the tides of time eroding everything as the clock winds down.

The Eldar are responsible for ripping the material universe asunder with their debauchery, and are waiting to be consumed by the sum of their sins. The Imperium is a monstrous behemoth of warfare, ignorance, and blind faith that survives only by being nearly as soulless as its enemies.

Orks, beneath their comical veneer, are a race of brutish monsters who delight in recreational slaughter. Tyranids and Necrons are both unfeeling, unstoppable forces of nature that want to consume or extinguish all life. Chaos is basically hell in space.

Then there's Tau - a young race full of ambition, tolerance, and progressive thinking that has a bright future ahead of it. They adapt their technology to every challenge and they do it while remaining respectable, honorable people. They have to sacrifice nothing to survive, while every other race has to sacrifice everything. The implication is that Tau are better than everyone else because they aren't as backwards and ignorant as the others, and if only those silly humans and elves would lighten up all would be sunshine and rainbows. Tau's existence undermines the premise that in 40k, all hope is lost except the hope that you might see tomorrow. It renders 40k just another morally relative Trekkian space opera with nothing special to say.

>>54847839
>it's the Dark Ages in space.

The Dark Ages had young, prosperous, ambitious empires, though. Fuck, that's basically where modern Europe came from.

>>54848147

They already fucked things up by continuing to mess with the Imperium and forcing their greatest warriors into exile. Moreover, their ongoing struggle more or less shows how giant robots can't replace Astartes spam.

>>54847857
>Pic related is 3rd party.

You don't say?

>>54848164
I thought one of the things about the Tau were how immature & inexperienced they are. They actually thought they killed Slaanesh.

>>54848147

What you call contrast I call thematic pollution. You have a setting here where two people are knife fighting to the death because they have no choice, they know the other guy will do it to them, creating a tragic no-win scenario...then you zap in a third guy who just smiles and wonders why everyone is so glum all the darned time. Can't we all just get along?

What army perfectly replicates an army of Doomguys?

>>54848184
They didn't think they killed slaanesh but mistook an emperor's children lords name to be slaanesh.

>>54848119
Failing that, put them under some pressure. They've got Orks, Nids, Necrons, whatever the Imperium can spare and an internal rebellion on their hands and they're still pulling enough troops out their asses for expansion fleets every paragraph. Have them pummeled, keeping up morale despite dwindling manpower and perhaps some shady covert ops and such, and generally annoy them a bit and show they don't have a bubble of invincibility around their Septs. Burn a couple with virus bombs or insane levels of Ork infestation, maybe have one of their starlift projects go wrong and burn something important. Show their scientists running out of theories to turn into new weapons and with little space to research more.

Then, once you've shown their weaknesses, build them back up again. Nicassar psykers help drive back Chaos with psi-amps and such and enhance communications, Kroot and Vespid take over scouting duties more and free up suits for other actions, bring Demiurg engineers and designers to help show the Tau scientists other applications of their tech with their more practical approaches with less care for perfect performance.

Less the "Superior Tau obviously triumph over the inferior foe because we're the only ones to hit on basic tactics, diplomacy and innovation with no downsides, so everyone else are solely idiots" and more the "Struggling together, carving out a better place in the galaxy with hope and optimism despite great opposition". Don't deny the whole rising empire thing, but make it clear they're not amazingly superior and there's a decent chance they're won't make it, just like every other race.

>>54848200

Any given Primaris army.

>>54848200
thematically? Grey Knights

gameplay? Some elite, small model count army. Imperial Knights would be the real 100-1 ratio that doomguy does.

>>54848200

Deathwatch.

>>54848116
>tfw no one will be as cool and over the top of a villain as cell or freiza
40k needs more dbz tier villains

>>54847904

The problem with Tau lore is simply that, as presented, a force without FTL travel and a small number of star systems should never be more than a nuisance to the other players in the galaxy. Thus when the Tau do fend off crusades, hive fleets and WAAAGHs, the audience doesn't believe the Tau could actually do it.

Turns out there's an elegant solution to this that also plays into the "science faction" theme of the Tau: Dyson Spheres. These are megastructures designed to capture all the energy produced by a star. You could fluff them as a solid shell, or more probably, as a vast cloud of rotating habitats in orbit around the star.

Regardless of how they actually look, if you do manage to capture all the energy of even a single star, you have at your disposal simply ludicrous amounts of energy. You can have populations in the trillions in single star systems. You can just pull any matter you need for construction out of the star itself. You can unleash energy beams that can travel across space.

If you have FTL you probably wouldn't bother with Dysons because you can just pop over to another star system. But the Tau didn't have it, and they're focused on science, so Dysons make perfect sense for them. You could even call them Expansion Spheres. Swarms of rotating habitats make perfect sense for the Tau to house their various client populations too, each with their own unique environments preserved. And the Tau able to annhilate them if they step out of line.

>>54847530
>hybrids of the gods that oppose each other most
yeah no

>>54847458
>That Hormagaunt waving to his Gargoyle friend in the background
NIDS. CUTE.

>>54848200
An entire army of iron hand straken
>as many wounds as a chapter master
>S6 so as strong as getting hit by a armoured vehicle bare handed
>3+ bare chested
>carries doomguy tier pump shotgun

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>>54848215
I think the guy writing it in-universe thought it was Slaanesh.

>>54848241

They don't have Dyson Spheres, though. The actual Tau are resource limited, and depend on disposable auxiliary in the form of xeno mercenaries and human slaves. If anything, their constant depletion of valuable hi-tech craft and weaponry to failed expansion campaigns will inevitably force the Empire to make difficult compromises. Or die.

So we're finding out tomorrow what the teaser thing is for?

>>54848237
I say Slaanesh should focus more on the pride, martial prowess & perfection seeking parts. Something about a warrior who seeks to be better than anyone else. We could almost have a villain with a Vegeta, Frieza or Cell personality.

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>>54848321
ITS FUCKING TITANS!

>>54847530
Night Lords were originally a Khornate legion back in the first edition

Their symbol was half a bat, half a Khorne rune.

>>54847258
>ADLs when IF and IW exist

>>54848272
>>54848200
Definitely this. Straken is literally Doom Guy.

>>54848241

(cont)

Dyson Spheres are actually mentioned in the existing fluff too, so it's not as though this would even be a brand new thing. But most importantly, by adding them in, the Tau now make sense. A single Dyson system would indeed be capable of repelling major attacks against it, and of producing vast amounts of materiel and supporting the soldiers required to man it.

From a perspective of the Tau's identity in the fluff, it also enhances it. The Tau now have a very good reason for expansion; each Dyson they build can house vast numbers, but also produces vast numbers, of individuals. So there's a constant need for more living space, a constant need for new stars to be captured. From T'au outwards, a section of the galaxy is going to be going dark, as star after star is captured and encased. The populations of any worlds orbiting these stars are going to be reloacted to orbital habitats, whether they like it or not, and once there, the Tau can control them completely, because if they ever get rowdy, the Tau can simply cut off air, power, or just blow the habitat up.

>>54848310

>They don't have Dyson Spheres, though.

...yes, I know. This is a comment about how to fix Tau fluff, not about what they actually have.

>>54848164
I think they are fine in the lore honestly. They represent DAoT Humans (especially Shadowsun's line of "why do they fear AI") they don't know the risks that they trifle with and are currently getting away with. They also have NO idea how freaken big the Imperium actually is and how minuscule they are in the Galactic scale.

They haven't had to sacrifice anything because the day of sacrifice that the Imperium has had to pay twice over has yet to come even once for the Tau. And judging by the fact that they have lost two expedition fleets to the rift they are about to learn HARD why Chaos is actually a major major threat in the universe, even if it fails to notice them.

And when it does they will also discover that AI are very intelligent and are not under the Ethernals Greater Good thrall. Wonder if Shadowsun would understand humans fear when her own stealth suite works out SHE is the reason it is sub optimal and tries to rectify the situation.

They simply are blindly ignorant to the actual scale of the darkness around them / their sheer luck they have yet to be snuffed out by any number of things in the universe. I wonder when a Planetary Governor is going to break it to them that they are messing around with things they really do not understand and there is very good reason that the Imperium does things so ass backwards.

>>54848275
I'm just saying they don't know who or what slaanesh is so it's not like they believe they killed a chaos god, they believe they killed a chaos lord who's name may have been slaanesh.

>>54847458
>No blood
Suspicious

>>54848335
bleh

>>54848348
That's the thing. They're inexperienced & downright unknowledgeable enough to believe such a thing. They're the closest thing to a newborn baby.

>>54848342
Other than insanity speed
Straken is supposed to capture the "over the top 80s action hero dropped in a sci-fi setting" theme so he fits doomguy perfectly

>>54848241
Dyson Swarms also work. You'd have to make clear they weren't perfect energy-lattices though, since if you do the maths just one full Dyson Sphere has about as much energy as the Imperium at it's disposal and is so OP you'd never see anything bad happen to the Tau at all. I see your point, but your approach would also mean they'd interact even less, could not feasibly lose territory and would probably curbstomp far more. It's a neat plan, but only fixed the "WTF is this scale bullshit" problem, not the other ones. Also, the Admech and Necrons arguably both have a better claim on "tech faction" and the Tau already have a niche in their federation-building. Have them use that instead, and spread thinly across space with a score of races while maintaining nomadic fleets that would be powerful enough to drive off a WAAAGH! with two or three.

You're proposing making them more overpowered, far less able to make interact with other factions and even smaller, since you could fit tue current Tau Empire in two spheres tops.

>>54847808
>The Emperor is a Psyker
>The Grey Knight is a chapter full of psykers
>But not just any psykers
>But specially warded to fight demons
>Just like the Emperor could
Really makes you think

>>54848344

>...yes, I know. This is a comment about how to fix Tau fluff

But my point is it doesn't need fixing. Its merely portrayed as a challenge to the Imperium to make them a credible threat in the lore. As we move forward into the post-Maledictum era, we should see the Tau Empire being pushed to the brink of collapse. Theres a momentum in their story building towards the undeniable truth of despair, and I'm looking forward to it in their next codex.

>>54848242

Let's just tally up who worships who, and who has a living Daemon Primarch:
>Undivided
Black Legion (direct worshipers of all gods) [ded Horus, Abbadon's not taking the Chaos bait]
Word Bearers (daemonic focus) [Lorgar's alive and a Prince]
>Khorne
World Eaters [Angryman Prince]
>Nurgle
Deathguard [Prince Morty]
>Tzeentch
Thousand Sons [Magnus the swole]
>Slaanesh
Emperor's Children [Princess Miia]
>Chaos but their own agendas with no particular allegiance to any god
Alpha Legion [Alpharius? Oɯǝƃou¿ Neither got Daemonhood]
Night Lords [Never got Daemonhood, also ded]
Iron Warriors [Pert's just chillin', and got Daemonhood]

>>54848344
The only dyson sphere in fluff is a necron construction

>>54847586
MAYBE some drybrush might help. I dunno. It looks like you put on too much shade

Specialist games should have stayed dead

nobody gives a fuck

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>>54848164

That being said, there is still room for Tau in 40k.

When Tau were first introduced, there were hints and suggestions that this polished, high scifi race of gundam pilots wasn't as noble as they looked. If you scratched a little, a pattern starts to emerge around the concept of "greater good". Almost every evil man in modern history has evoked the "greater good" as his motive for evil, whether it be Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Stalin, or any other tyrant. Were they lying? Maybe.

The Tau embody this concept. They have the potential to be the North Korea of 40k, with their shining, wealthy, and peaceful cities full of diverse peoples all getting along in harmony are just shams erected to seduce the desperate. They are the propaganda town with windows painted onto the walls of their buildings, singing out a message of light that could be yours, too, if only you joined them.

The Communist theme runs deeper when you look at the Ethereals, who appear out of nowhere in Tau history and almost magically convince the entire species to lay down their arms and submit to their will. Their influence is hypnotic, much like Marxism continues to seduce people with its message even after its countless atrocities. The Ethereals are hiding something, and they have the entire Tau species as their unwitting pawns in some secret game they are playing. The character Farsight lends weight to this narrative, as the commander's escape from the Ethereal's influence causes him to defect from the empire (the border guard who jumped the fence).

If these aspects of the lore were brought to the forefront and used to characterize Tau, everything else about them would work. It seems like this was the writers' original intention for them, with hints about the sterilization of undesirable races and such scattered throughout the lore. Unfortunately, GW has taken the race a different way since their inception and painted them as shallow protagonists.

why do peope on this board have such a giant boner for Dyson spheres? They're a pretty boring concept as far as sci-fi goes

>>54848386
to be fair besides the grey knights, the only other completely incorruptible warriors in the Imperium are the custodes who are also made partially with the Emperors genes, they're just not nearly as good against daemons as their loss in the webway was partially was spurred the creation of the grey knights in the first place.

>>54847904
I still say replace them with the races from XCOM UFO defense and XCOM 2. Except for the Assassin from WotC. Fuck that weaboo OP bullshit.

>>54848410
>Slaving an entire star
>boring

Really?

>>54848401
For a model like the herald, do I just drybrush like I would wood? I've only really done skaven stuff from age of sigmar.

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>>54848416
>downloaded GK.epub on megapp on my phone
>imported it to My Books, automatically converted to .pdf with no errors

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>>54847203
*steps on you and continues on path*

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Rate my newbie ork list for 8th
1850 Points
>Batallion Detachment (3cp)
>HQ
Warboss (PK)
Weirdboy (Da Jump)
>Troops
20 ork slugga boys, nob PK
20 ork slugga boys, nob PK
20 Gretchin
>Heavy Support
Battlewagon ('Ard Case, 2 big shoota, deff rolla)
>Vanguard Detachment (1CP)
>HQ
Weirdboy (Da jump)
>Elites
10 Kommandos, 2 burnas, 1 nob with PK
10 Kommandos, 2 burnas, 1 nob with PK
Nob w/ Waaagh! Banner
10 Nobs, Boss with PK, 9 with Power Stabbas
10 Tankbustas, 2 bomb squigs
10 Tankbustas, 2 bomb squigs
>Transports
2 Trukks with rokkit launchers for tankbustas

Plan is simple
>Weirdboy with the 2 20 man boyz squad to teleport and kill anything but heavy vehicles
>2 Kommandos to infilitrate and kill small size and weak units, such as HWTs, Scouts, Cultists, Etc
>Warboss with the nobs and waaagh banner in a battlewagon to charge the biggest thing on the field
>2 tankbustas in trukks to bust tanks
>20 grots to sit on a point, not too sure with these dudes

What you guys think? Any suggestions?

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I prefer Squats over some of the factions. They represent humanity's past & how different humanity has become. So many technologies forgotten, so many traditions abandoned, that abhumans who've been away from the rest of humanity for so long are closer to their past.

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>>54848430
>paints like shit smeared autist
>age of sigmar
Everything seems in order here.

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>>54848443
>is hard countered by non existent skew lists
>is a nearly perfectly balanced heavy tank against most armies in the game

>>54848429
yeah, really, they're just big fake planets. Like the Deathstar (which is a pretty tired concept by now) but without the weapons (which is 90% of its appeal)

>>54848410
Because they're badass and hueg star reactors, and can be approached in a few different ways. Rather unsuited for 40k though unless they're literally just containment like the Necron one, since they're hilariously OP compared to anything else in 40k power-wise. When even the Culture considers something an expensive waste, that thing is pretty damn impractical.

>>54848455
What, those plaguebearers looked fine

Post some of your own models then

>>54848416
CSM Codex: https://sendit.cloud/7x9v0kz0z6q1

GK Codex: https://sendit.cloud/i7aogmx7t8uo

If you insist

>>54848405
This is bait.

>>54848376
Well he actually has that too! He can issue move move move to himself which means he can potentially run 24 inches. Not drive, not fly, not on a bike, but sprint 24 inches (potentially). Minimum of 14 inches and that's bad rolling.

>>54848429
>slaving
no, just building a comparatively paper-thin layer of scrap around it.

Doesn't even have the "big massive fortress" appeal of something like Apokolips because it's just a thin layer of space towns.

>>54848476

Fucking idiot.

>>54848470
>they're badass
I just explained you that they weren't.

Using the power of a star to do stuff is pretty dull by 40k standards. It's pretty much just a sidenote of dark eldar fluff that's merely there to give them a "black light" aesthetic shtick.

Also fuck the Culture, they're uninteresting

>>54847641

No price cuts for GK. Terminators went up 2 points (literally no reason not to take paladins now). Twin-linked plasma nearly doubled (34 > 60), but regular SM have the 34 point version.

GK strats are too expensive. You will be lucky to have 6 points, and no method of gaining more or cost reductions for them like SM.

I have a serious feeling GK are going to be mediocre again this edition. The GK codex is so lacklustre, it's obvious that they tacked it on to check boxes.

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>>54848401
Better? Dunno if the drybrushing is too thin, but I definitely noticed the brightening up. Now matches the plaguebearers

So I'm fielding Primaris marines only(+10 scout snipers) for a while. Could I get some tips on fielding them? I have Dark Imperium plus a Repulsor. I do have plans to expand.

>>54847534
Looking good m8 glad you've made so much progress!

>>54848571
Much better I think it may have been too much shade.

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Hey guys,

I want to run Orikan The Deviner, but pic related has left me confused and angry....

Does this mean that Orikan can't effect the RP rolls for anything in the current index? Has this been addressed already?

>>54848621
it just means you have to say that you're playing a sautekh army

>>54848592
curious on the repulsor as well, it looks like a pain to magnet, is going dual las cool? the twin las cannon looks really good but I dunno about the las-talon

>>54848631
Great. Thanks for the quick reply.

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What is the best loadout for scourges?

>One Noise Marine may replace his Boltgun with a Blastmaster.
>If the unit numbers ten or more models a second Noise Marine may do this.
So why take more than 10?
Unless you go to twelve for thematic purposes or use the other ten models for chaff there's no reason to, is there?

>>54848646
What your pic is holding have at it lad!

>>54848472
Someone upload these to the megas so we dont lose them.

>>54848647
If all you want is the blastmasters. A larger unit is going to benefit from buffs more.

>>54848646
Dark lances or haywire. A larger group of carbines can also provide some good dakka

>>54848509
I think he meant his post was bait Anon.

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>>54847841

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>>54847641
I find it interesting how GW just keeps making GK army showcases a brighter and brighter silver. I got in in the semi-edgy 2000's 'regular iron color' where literally every picture was of them stupidly posing in the rain, so I'm excited ten or so years down the line models are pure white

>>54848472
Thanks, mate.

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>>54848684
So, more chaff + Delightful Agonies means longer time to remove the Blastmasters, and more Sonic Weapons means more payout from Endless Cacophony stratagem, and more units with guns just generally means more shots from music of the apocalypse.
>>54847841
I did that 11 s8 attacks against an opponent just yesterday on my Daemon Prince with Wings against his Storm Talon.
He was understandably disturbed to learn this.
My Daemon Prince ripped the thing from full wounds down to an explosion that the Daemon Prince only survived thanks to Delightful Agonies.

>>54847841
>Emperor's children can abuse the relics/warlord traits to get 11 s8 attacks base.
whats the trick for that one?

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Whats your favourite bits from the new codexes so far? This one was a high point for me.

>>54848752
A Daemon Prince of Slaanesh with the Stimulated by Pain warlord trait and Intoxicating Elixir artefact.

>>54847575
>The Emperor doesn't have progenoids, as he's just a very large human
Primarchs have his DNA.

>>54847221
My gf plays noise marines

>>54848790
Top edgy

>>54848821
Primarchs are Emperors dna, implied animal dna, and implied chaos energy

R8 muh konor list 2k

admech patrol
dominus with macrostubber and eradication ray - 141
3 breachers with hydraulic claws and heavy arc rifles - 183
3 destroyers with cognis flamers and heavy grav cannons - 228
datasmith - 52
2 kastelans with heavy phosphor blasters - 220
dune crawler with netron laser and extra heavy stubber - 151

deathwatch vanguard
termie librarian with force axe and combi melta - 178
6 vanguards with power axe, 2 heavy thunder hammers, 2 lightning claws - 203
6 vanguards with power fist, 2 storm shields, 2 thunder hammers - 200
ven dread with heavy flamer and lascannons - 197
corvus blackstar with auspex array, hurricane bolter, stormstrikes and assault cannons - 246

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>>54847246
Is she chub?

>>54848782
>Mispronunciation
Does he take into account regional quirks
and accents?

>>54847534

I was expecting some custom sculpting on top of deamonette models to make them curvy and nurgle-ey. I don't know why i got my hopes up.

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>>54848472

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>>54848866
>Emperor's Children and Slaanesh
>drugs and excessive mental stimulation
>edgy
>chaos
I'm not even sure if you're trolling.

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>Sigismund parks the Black Templars in front of the Eye of Terror because he wants someone to come and end his misery and guilt
>Sigismund is sick of leading the Black Templars and plans to get them all killed in a suicidal attack during the Black Crusade as his final act of atonement
>Abaddon intentionally bred his Black Legionnaires to be backstabbing opportunists so at least one of them will have the ambition to carry on the Black Crusades
>Abaddon remembers the name of every soldier under his command by heart and only fights the Imperium to avenge the fallen and to ultimately avenge Horus
>Abaddon allows the Black Templars to survive because his next 13 Crusades were all prophesied and he knew the BT would be completely useless with Sigismund dead

Why do they keep writing Chaos like this???

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Death guard/nurgle release when? I want a plastic GUO and Ku'Gath

>>54848934
you bought it, you read the book before it. what did you expect?

>>54848934
I was thinking of pirating this book because I knew it was going to be bad. Because if this is legit it's not even worth my free bolterporn reading time.

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No battle report, but I just got finished playing a 2400pt match(randomly decided by my friend and I) with my codex GK vs DA. Very fun game, GK are definitely more flavorful this time around.

Highlights include: Cullexus Assassin dying a-la-Tienanmen Square vs a Land Raider, any vehicle that could blow up DID blow up, Ezikiel being gunned down by Purgators he couldn't even see, Dreadknight dying to bolter fire, vehicle explosions killing lots of shit, and Draigo being killed by a Scout's missile launcher.
Grand Master Dreadknights are VERY NICE and as someone coming from the shitstained disappointment that our codex was in 7th, so far I am very pleased. The game was fun and very close at times.

>>54848893
already have been
fuck gw most playtested my fucking ass

>>54848934
That sounds like ... me no longer wanting to read Black Legion anymore. Sounds like it is what I feared it would be.

>>54848934
I fucking hate ADB at this point.

>>54848934

Writer preferences. Same reason you get character assassinations and Mary Sues in fan fiction, only writ large.

>>54848978

It took you this long?

>>54848962
>Dreadknight dying to bolter fire
Mine always do that. It's why I stopped using them.
Though they do have more wounds this edition, maybe I should dust them off and give them a second chance ...

>>54848959
>ADB writing Emperor loyalists as betas
>ADB writing the poor abused sons whose daddy never loved them as badasses who have a super ultimate destiny and dindu nuffin.
It even makes Abaddon look bad though I doubt that was ADB's intention. But why should I think Abaddon's a badass when he can just spare enemies because EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ORDAINED

Haven't played since 2011, thinking of returning. How's the current edition?

>>54849010
what armies do you have?
that will determine whether its even worth coming back

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>>54848934
Okay guys, this is starting to make me want to take >>54848116 back. This shouldn't be happening

>>54849010
Ruleswise or fluffwise. Because I have very different answers depending on to which you refer,

>>54848347
>Represent DAoT humans
Tau of Iron incident when?

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question from someone who for the past 2 editions only played casuals,

would lore-ists be turned off by adding worlds/sectors to a segmentum for a narrative campaign, for setting up a crusade or such?

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>>54848945
>DG
They're next, seeing as of the four codexes shown already, we have all but DG
>plastic GUO/ku'gath
One of the following: with daemons codex, with DG (doubtful), or never

How do I build an Ork list that doesn't involve running 120 Slugga Boyz and stacking bosses and Waagh Poles? I wanna give 'em the Dakka or at least some Shooty and some Choppy..

>>54849010
Way better than the last two for sure, arguably more balanced than 5th so far (though not all codexes are done yet so they can still fuck it up) Haven't enjoyed the game this much since 4th/early 5th edition.

>>54848347
>See the World Eater/Tau fluff in the new Chaos Marine codex
>People still doubt the 4th Sphere is going to come back as a chaos tau faction.

>>54849038
>would lore-ists be turned off by adding worlds/sectors to a segmentum for a narrative campaign, for setting up a crusade or such?
That's literally what the setting is for. That's why the Imperium has the vague but huge number of "more than a million worlds."
You don't fear "lore-ists", you fear "aut-ists".

>>54849059
Everything has to share ONE keyword.

>>54849069
good point.

>>54847556
c u c k

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>>54848934
>his next 13 Crusades were all prophesied
>next 13 Crusades
I'm sorry, what?

>>54849059
But the IMPERIUM and the CHAOS units would not share a faction keyword, so it is not legal to do at all.
The explanation is you're a retard who doesn't understand the rules anon.

>>54849102

Black Legion takes place in the 1st Black Crusade
Galaxy shat itself in the 13th Black Crusade
Abaddon marches on Terra in a 14th Black Crusade

>>54849018
None. Sold all my models about 3 years back. Thinking of going back with starting an army with one of my two favorites. Imperial Guard (Cadian) and Space Marines (Blood Ravens)

>>54849022
Ruleswise. I'm actually cool with the fluff direction from what I've been reading. Only thing that pissed me off was Cadia's destruction.

>>54849054
Awesome.

>>54849109
That explains things better.

>>54849122
both are good armies
do it up
might want to wait for guard dex which should be out in a few months

DA, BA, or Deathwatch?

>>54847399
I liked the BA Necron team up. Its fun!

>>54848945
September as per first video in OP

>>54849154
not deathwatch
overpriced crap that belongs in the trash

>>54849122
Rules are better. And if you're reading real new stuff, then your mileage may vary. It's between the Ward era and 2015 or so that we got nearly all of the fluff abortions that only a handful of people bother to defend.

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>>54849046
I'm building a dred mob, but haven't had a chance to play it; will post results when I do

>>54849154
Blood Angels

Furioso Dreadnoughts are cool

>>54848715
The world need more T H I C C elves
Get that lithe bullshit out of here

>>54849176

It would be overpriced if you bought all the boxes brand new. You only need a $200-$300 investment to have a viable Deathwatch army, with two Deathwatch Start Collecting and the rest mix and match tacticals of any marks.

>>54849178
That sounds like fun. I've only got like 35 Orks (20 boyz, 10 nobz) in general. I may include more stompy.

>>54849209
in game points dumdum
everything GW is overpriced in real money lmao

Had a 3500 point game on a 4x4 table today with a good amount of terrain.

Managed to steal the initiative and won on maelstrom 11-7. He basically ran a bunch of heavy support stuff in the back and had abby give them rerolls. I ran every single model i had including like 100 termgants, 2 trygons 2 hive tyrants swarmlord etc.
Stole the initiative and shot up a couple of land raiders but ultimately did zero actual damage. He looked like he was gonna cry cause i did like 10 wounds between two raiders.
Long story short I "forgot" a trygon prime and 20 stealers in reserves cause I felt bad. He made a bit of a comeback in turn 4.
I just really hate playing against people who look like they are gonna start throwing shit when you are attacking them, and then gloat whenever they kill one of your models. Otherwise good game I got to practice some cool shit and play my whole arm. As a bonus I also managed to flip our store from 29-30 chaos to 29-31 imperium lmao

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So with the new "no cult units are troops" thing, how many Chaos Players are running Vanguard detachments?
Personally I'm a little annoyed, my Rapture Battalion of 3 units of Noise Marines as troop choices for +3 command points was great.

>>54849249

>in game points dumdum

As opposed to what? Cadian horde armies? DW can easily make points back vs elite-centric armies, mostly on the strength of frag cannons. Most DW blowout losses I've seen are to horde armies.

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lookit that dude

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>bring nothing but warpflamer rubrics in rhinos to a 40k tourney at flgs
>somehow end up winning

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>>54848169
>The Dark Ages had young, prosperous, ambitious empires, though. Fuck, that's basically where modern Europe came from.
More the Mediterranian Dark Age after the fall of Minos. Scattered villages huddled in fear of the sea, a collapse so bad we even lost frigging >ɰriting<. The last words we have of a dozen civilizations are pleas for help against.. something. The Earth was so pissed, the crops died and the rivers fled from the cities.

>>54849303
just as planned

>>54849303
>10-60 automatic hits that can wound anything and have a AP of -3 per squad. Effective 2+ armor save
I'm not surprised.

>>54849267
I understand the reasoning behind it though. Getting cult units as a troop choice used to be a neccessary mechanic for some fluffy armies, but now you can build them that way anyway, and as troops they get a big CP boost that other factions equivalent troops just dont have.

>>54849177
I haven't read any Eldar torture porn yet, so that's a plus so far.

>>54849275
compared to vanilla marine costs and their unique wargear/units are overpriced and useless

>>54849334

Because one taxi flamer squad costs $70-80 fucking USD. Its nearly impossible to get Rubric Marines on the cheap with the bits required.

>>54849264
>I just really hate playing against people who look like they are gonna start throwing shit when you are attacking them, and then gloat whenever they kill one of your models

Those and people who sound like the dice only ever screw them are the worst. Everyone one has bad rolls dammit

>>54849349
Fucking what? The Rubric kit has 10 fucking flamers.

Which chapter/legion should I play?

>>54848544
Not a GK player but CP is really hard to come by if you aren't a horde army or one of the two fortunate armies that get free CP just for taking an HQ. I'm actually praying that when my book comes out one of my HQs gets +CP because holy fuck my troops are garbage right now and I usually only have 4-5CP in a 2k list.

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>>54849368

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>>54849345

Are Orks, Dark Eldar, and Crons getting their book next year like the Chapter Approved hinted at, or is that just a negative interpretation?

>>54849333
But I like the CP boost, I don't want to use cultists, and if I use my daemonettes as troops I lose out on Legion bonuses unless I take two detachments, which just isn't as points efficient.
Though bringing a patrol detachment of Slaanesh daemons as backup for my Emperor's Children Vanguard is pretty good, especially if I use Possessed in some Elite slots and a Daemon Prince as one of my HQ. Then a Herald as the HQ of my Daemon Patrol boosts my Possessed.
I just kind of miss spamming Noise Marines as troops, though i had too many CP to use in one battle, but now that I have stratagems to use them on I don't have enough CP.
I have to admit I appreciate the tactical depth it added to list building at least.

>>54849367

And you have to buy a $50 squad box to get it. I can obtain bits and pieces to make a whole Rubric Marine for $2 per unit, but its the weapon itself that is hard to buy separately. So you basically have no choice but to buy the $50 squad box.

>>54849368
Im assuming you mean loyalist, salamanders. If you mean traitors too then Alpha Legion

>>54849368
Disciples of Caliban if Imperial

The Purge if Chaos

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Should I get a pic related for my Chaos? It's 500 points so fits in with my 1500 points list nicely and provides me with some nice long range firepower while my footslongers get in with their Meltaguns, and it looks cool as shit.

>>54849368
looks like you black consuls m8!

>>54849324
well they are only rend -2 and are almost at terminator level in cost per model, they really shouldnt be able to make their points back but somehow...
>>54849334
Surprised is the perfect word for it as neither me or my opponents had any idea what the fuck was going on
I thought it would just be a silly gimmick list
>>54849323
I guess so

>>54849393
Its probably because the current chaos codex is mechanically an undivided one. TS and DG will likely have cult troops.

>>54849393
You just gotta make the same decisions as everyone else, better units or more CP. Thats reasonable. Noise Marine spam still looks pretty awesome.

>>54849408

Dunno if it's still as good as it used to be, but I'm guessing the gun has a shitload of shots in 8E so it should be worth it. It is definitely one of the coolest knights. It's just way too big for me personally.

>>54849368
if dubs you plat sharks nigga

>>54849385
What were you expecting? I'm a Blood Raven fan. We're borderline heretics.

>>54847189
I've been considering swapping my own Meganobz for regular Nobs with Big Choppas after multiple occasions of them failing to kill the big thing they charge and getting pasted by Damage 3+ smacks in return

Do consider what I have been doing with Gretchin, that is leaving enough room in the Wagon for a minimum size unit to tag along and eat the passenger-killing 1s if the Wagon is destroyed

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>>54849444

>>54849408
get the atrapos
that thing is the best cerastus ruleswise

>>54849444
Trips you a shark nao boi!

>>54849431
So, World Eaters and Emperor's Children miss out because?
>>54849438
Oh it's glorious, opponent will shoot my Noise Marines, Music of the Apocalypse goes off and I shoot one of his units that hasn't shot yet, potentially reducing his fire power during his own turn.

>>54849447

Borderline heretics? Half the chapter went full Chaos.

>>54849447
No no, you don't understand what that picture means, do you?
Aliens killed MLK using an immortal human assassin who was probably Matt Damon in order to spark a race war that would wipe out mankind and in doing so destroy Chaos.
This is part of the canon now thanks to the Horus Hersey novels.
Remember that whenever you see someone trying to defend the newer fluff.

>>54849398
You can buy 10 for $3, not including shipping.

But since when the ever loving fuck does $ come into a tournament list? The fuck

Everyone has to buy models for a list, I cannot follow your logic

>>54849447
I think he was trying to give you an example of awful fluff you missed. Not insinuating that he's shooting you over eldar torture porn.
Unremembered Empire features a Perpetual named Damon who acts like Jason Bourne and offhandily mentions killing the 'good man in Memphis' on the orders of an alien Cabal.
He was on his way to kill Vulkan on their orders too. It's possible the Cabal is actually the alien Space KKK.

>>54849475
The gods GW decided they don't get standalone codexes or cult troops. There's no doubt in my mind Death guard will have cult troops.