Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

faggots all

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Are bloat drones any good?

>>54834573
Yeah, they're pretty good for clearing objectives and harassing weaker units. 1 is usually not enough and 3 feels like too much. I think 2 should be in every DG army.

What powers to run on Magnus? Weaver of Fates and Warp Time are obvious ones, but what about others? Death Hex sounds neat, Gifts of Chaos could be useful, especially against Harlies and Prescience lets him both buff terminators and allow himself to proc DttFE on 5+.

I'm thinking Weaver of Fates, Warp Time and Death Hex, for now.

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>>54834562

>>54834590
How do they compare to the Hellturkey?

>>54834590
i have acquired 4 and i already had 3 of the forgeworld ones...

Don't have the codex yet, can Chaos Bikers take a chainsword, the bolter and a flamer?

>>54834602
I haven't used a turkey yet, but going by the stats the turkey is worse at burning trash off objectives but faster and better in melee.
>>54834603
How are you finding them? I find if I take three my army loses too much raw killing power. Haven't tried the FW ones yet.

>>54834613
He knows Hereticus discipline, autismo-kun.

>>54834613
>what is Index Chaos
You are so fucking stupid, the second most retarded being in existence would appear a genius next to you.

>>54834617
They are the same as the index, only cheaper.

>>54834624
>Implying TTS isn't 99% /tg/ memes.
Fuck off newfag.

>>54834645
Cool. So, can they?

>>54834654
Look it up yourself. I have a strict no-spoonfeeding policy.

>>54834652
>implying TTS isn't 99% thing from 1d4chan that retards think are still /tg/ memes
ftfy

>>54834649
You have to use the most recent rules. So Codex Hereticus > Index Hereticus

>>54834663
I'm on mobile man, please

Convince me not to throw more money at GW, I don't want to do this.

>>54834664
>>54834666
>Ignoring all the TTS references in the last thread
ftfy

>>54834656
See >>54834667

>>54834674
>not having all the codex/index epubs on your phone to browse through when bored

>>54834676
Magnus is Index only, the rules for Hereticus are Index and Codex. Therefore Codex Hereticus takes precedence.

>>54834690
Not enough storage

>>54834691
>Autistic redditor is the one pushing rules lawyer faggotry
ftfy

>>54834693
but no tho

>>54834710
Isn't that what he said?

>>54834709
Show me where it says that.

>>54834718
Great argument.

>>54834721
Yeah, cept he's the one doing it

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Okay Archons, looking for some advice on the last piece in a fairly casual take all comers 50PL list (yes yes, PL bad, its what people around here play).

So far I've got

>Archon with Blaster
>Sslyth x 2
>Kabalites x 5 with Blaster
>Trueborn x 5 with 2 Blasters, 2 Splinter Cannons
>Raider (for Archon, Sslyth and Kabalites) with Dark Lance
>Venom (for Trueborn) with 2 Splinter Cannons
>Reavers x 9 with 3 Blasters, 3 Grav Talons and Painbringer

Puts me at 43 PL. I was running Scourges so far but they've underwhelmed me and I'd like to try something else.

Main options are:
Drop 1 Sslyth for a Medusae and a Ravager (probably with Disintegrators but we'll see), nice and simple and lots of dakka

Drop 1 Sslyth for 5 Incubi and a Venom, gives me some credible melee troops but I think they'll be too few to really impact

The Visarch; giving this one some real thought because I am incredibly bad at forgetting about Power from Pain bonuses but would likely remember Soulburst, he's also a decently killy HQ which I could use. Having him and the two Ssylths in a fight would be nice, especially as they're considered individual characters for triggering his effects. Also one model is nice and easy to paint and transport.

Similarly, considering a Solitaire from the Harlequin list; seems like a good distraction carnifex kind of thing, who would also tear up marines pretty well which is something I'm reliant on Blasters for right now.

So basically
>Ravager
>Incubi
>Visarch and go Ynnari
>Solitaire

Open to other suggestions too, but I'm pretty happy with the rest of the force as is.

>>54834709
There is no such thing as "Index" or "Codex" Hereticus, autismo-kun. Magnus doesn't know "Index" or "Codex" Hereticus. There is only Hereticus, which Magnus knows and which got updated in CSM Codex.

Guys, can I get some help with a character premise?

Reading about Genetors/ Biologis AdMechs, I'm curious the extent to which I can get away with them. I didn't even know about them until a while ago.

I want to make an AdMech type who celebrates the human body as the ultimate biological machine. Considering the AdMechs see cybernetics as perfectly okay no matter how inhuman (stuff that the rest of the empire would see as heresy if not for how important they are), I was wondering just how much alteration of the physical body could be allowed before it'd be considered tech or biological heresy.

Could an AdMech scientist/biologist/engineer get away with tinkering with his own genes to effectively become, for all intents and purposes, a bargain bin space marine? So you'd have these dendrite covered Skitarii, and then among them you'd have this absolutely gorgeous, sculpted, 7-8 foot tall Adonic figure without a single cybernetic attachment. Not just vat grown muscles or a servitor head atop a frankenstein's monster of a body.

Is that within the orthodoxy of what an AdMech Genetor could get away with, or is any playing with genes or DNA beyond Primarch Gene Seed in particular to be considered heresy?

>>54834709
>>54834724
Can both you idiots stop arguing and wait for the FAQ?

>>54834724
>Yeah, cept he's the one doing it
The TTS-retard? yes.

>>54834724
>Spouts bullshit
>"No"
>xD nice argument

Don't do this either

>>54834738
>Still ignoring all the TTS references in the last thread.

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>>54834725
Sslyth are great don't drop them

>>54834746
Citation needed.

>>54834735
>retard claimed something obvious is not true because dumb reasons
>therefore we should stop using that rule until GW tells us the obvious

How about we just tell retard to fuck off?

>>54834746
There is no such thing as "Index" Hereticus, which is something you've just made up.

Kindly fuck off, autismo-kun.

>>54834754
>Waah I don't like TTS, so everyone who likes it is retarded.

>>54834764
Burden of proof is on you to show that they exclude psychic powers from the rule.

>>54834760
Yeah, but the tard will never listen so you both might as well stop arguing.

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>>54834751
They're pretty baller, but the Ravager is tempting for anti marine disintegrator action, especially as common as marine forces are

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>>54834764
Not the same anon, but here
Deathwatch are allowed to use either Index or Codex powers, so the logical conclusion is that this applies to the rest.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/22/the-other-angels-of-death-and-codex-space-marines/

>>54834775
Yes, and GW confirms that the codex version takes precedence. >>54834785 confirms.

>>54834789
And magnus isn't in the codex, so he uses the rules from the book he is in

>>54834794
And Deathwatch isn't in Codex: Space Marines, are you simple?

>>54834769
Just go to /reddit/, mate. The community there loves 5 year old jokes stolen from sites that steal from better sites and acting like children, you'll fit right in.

>>54834796
Now we know who the real WAAC fag is.

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First attempt at a Plague Marine. This is my tester for colours.

Noticed a few messy bits that need cleaning up after I took the photo, which I'll get right on

>>54834798
Yeah, and guess what
You use the index if you want to play deathwatch.

>>54834808
Well, let's look at it this way. If you're playing a friendly game and pull this bullshit on you're opponent, they'll just refuse to play with a WAAC fag. If you're I a tourney you'll get shot down because GW also makes logical conclusions.

My unit of crisis suits have 2 Plasma Rifles each, I'm not sure if I should give them Advanced Targeting Systems or a Flamer each.

>>54834821
Yes, but you can use Codex psychic powers. The same would apply for Magnus and the Codex.

>>54834811
Looks good to me except for the bolter highlights. You should probably hit it with some black ink to tone it down.

>>54834836
Yeah I definitely rushed that part. I basically just scratched Leadbelcher over it because I was getting rushed at home

>>54834676
Except index models can take codex options.

>>54834832
Yeah, cus the deathwatch librarian is just the regular librarian already in the codex.
Magnus isn't in the CSM codex, only the index
So he uses the index rules

At this point we are all in agreement that Magnus can take Hereticus powers because that's literally what his profile says, so we should stop engaging retard and let him stew in his inability to think properly.

>>54834853
Go away Cheetah.

So anyway, Magnus is going to be even more a rape train with the new powers.

I have a feeling that if it wasn't for ADB's raging boner they'd have dropped Abaddon completely by now: The Daemon Primarchs render him irrelevant in this age of Primarch wank.

>>54834852
No it's not, show me where the Deathwatch Librarian has a profile in the Codex.

>>54834856
Still, I'd wait for an official statement from GW before assuming anything. It shouldn't take them long to clarify whether Magnus can use the codex Dark Hereticus list and if Aspiring Sorcs can use the Chaos Familiar stratagem to change their psychic power.

>>54834868
Yes, cus we're not arguing. We're telling you you're wrong and letting that be the end of it.

>>54834864
I would really appreciate an updated datasheet for Magnus, one with less melee and more magics.
While I do enjoy having a melee beatstick primarch, it certainly isn't what he was intended to be like, at least in my opinion.

>>54834865
Abbadon will probably somehow become Primarch-ified so Black Legion get a Primarch.

Also, while everyone is raging about Codex vs Index, turns out Grey Knights can still use Rifledreads
>Don’t worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models. In these instances, use the datasheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons (currently, also in the index).
>use the datasheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons (currently, also in the index).

>>54834865
Abaddon was always irrelevant. He's the kid screaming "notice me!" in the playground, while everything else is busy doing other things.

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no new grey knight models

>>54834864
>So anyway, Magnus is going to be even more a rape train with the new powers.

Yeah. +1 invu doubles his durability and he now can remove invulnerable to go with his -4 melee strikes.

Pretty brutal.

>>54834886
See, now you know its bait. Last one for (you)

>>54834885
Start your conversions, anon. We believe in you.

>>54834883

The weirder thing is that FW said you can use any of their shit besides chapter specific characters with deathwatch and grey Knights, so you can have a grey Knights leviathan dread who isn't a psyker. Or a grey Knights vindicator laser destroyer.

>>54834885
Well, you did get Chaplains and Dreadknight Grandmasters so at least new UNITS.

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>>54834866
Geez, that was hard

What's the best way to build an Inquisition army?

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>>54834872
Speaking of the Aspiring Sorcerer.
Think GW fucked this up and forgot to include his pts cost? Because I cannot find his cost on this list.

>>54834905
The one with Rubrics? No he's just included in the standard Rubric cost.

>>54834915
He used to be like 30pts tho.

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So who do you think will get their codex next ? My money is on Orks or Eldar vs an Imperial Faction or Deathguard.

Personally I'm still waiting for them to fix Deathwatch in the codex because seriously, fuck 15 point storm shield on everything, storm bolters not getting special ammunition, having to pay for the ammunition when not using a bolter that can support it, Primaris not getting ammunition for their bolters and so fucking on.

>>54834884

He was more relevant in earlier editions, before the Primarch wank happened and rendered mere mortal marines irrelevant where a Primarch is present. And his faction has seven of the damn things.

Plus what GW failed to realise in their mad scramble to retcon him successes is that just because Abaddon isn't a good enough general to conquer the imperium doesn't mean a Black Crusade entering your system isn't a worst case scenario for everyone stuck there. Dude is terrifying regardless of his overall setting impact.

Honestly it would at this point make sense for Lorgar to be the rallying point. The other daemon Primarchs are more interested in private agendas than THE CAUSE(tm).

>>54834905
He's part of rubric/scarab occult squad. He shouldn't be listed seperately if rest of the unit isn't.

>>54834921

Then rejoice, thousand sons MSU just got a lot more viable.

>>54834933
A change from the Index (since he had his own cost in it) but a welcome change for sure.

Skull pack when?

why do people play as cuck factions?

>>54834926
They've got 6-8 Primarchs, depending on whether Alpharius and/or Omegron are alive or not. Imperium have 7-10, depending on whether Sanguinus or Ferrus come back somehow and if anything comes of the whole "Loyalist Shards of Magnus" plot-hook.

>>54834902
barrel full of monkeys

>>54834926
Too much time spent trying to make Abaddon into Archaon 2.0 was a big mistake. Lorgar would be a better one, yeah, or make Abaddon frankly more like AoS Archaon.

>>54834933
>scarab occult squad

Are not in Codex, so i still need to pay 5 extra points for their Soulreaper Canon :(

>>54834929
Thanks for letting me know asswipe.

>>54834951
Because some p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ manlets don't like Chadmarines, anon.

>>54834954
Not viable anymore, the monkeys got nerfed hard.

>>54834960
Are Soulreaper Cannons in the Codex at all?

If so, those prices apply even to Index units.

What are the implications of a planet being inside the Eye of Terror versus outside of it? I know that recently Cadia was swallowed up by the Eye of Terror, but does that mean that everybody on there at the time died? Like what difference does it make to the defenders now that Cadia is inside the Eye?

Venoms, Haemys and Succubi are no longer avaialble from GW. What does this mean?

>>54834955

AoS Archaon has no credibility whatsoever, he's the narrative wanking a villain so far that there's no core left to the character, just... Wank.

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Why does games workshop's website send me to google?

>>54834971
Cadia was destroyed anon. Abbaddon cracked it in half with a Blackstone Fortress. That's what caused the Eye to swallow it.

>>54834975
Hopefully new sculpts/molds.

>>54834865
>>54834883
>>54834884
How is irrelevant? Abaddon and his Crimson path has pages of lore in the CSM codex while the Traitor primarchs have a few paragraph (sometimes just one) in their legion sections.

>>54834985
If you're talking about it sending you to google when you choose your country, it's because of how the URL works.

>>54834987
Because Abaddon, even if he manages to keep his arms on, is a gnat next to a Primarch.

Also, someone needs to do a marinelet/Chad comparison but with Abaddon and Lorgar.

>>54834996
this wouldn't have happened under Kirby

>>54834624
The dislike for TTS here is bizarre given it's basically just 1d4chan: The Show

>>54834751

holy shit, never seen this one before. Saved.

>>54835002
No, he isn't. He is the Warmaster. Don't try to pass off your opinion as fact. Going by the codex, Abaddon is getting most of the spotlight and represents the face of Chaos. It's ABADDON's novel that is used as promotion for this codex.

If anyone is irrelevant it's the Primarchs with the little fanfare they had in the codex compared to the Warmaster.

Time to drive to the city and get my csm codxes + some bikers. How's the latter in 8e?
I'll buy them anyway but maybe something else
I want to get is much better now.

>>54834981
That's false. Archaon was defeated in battle by Malerion.

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>>54835008
Have you seen this one?

>>54834676
Codex overrides everything that is in it. Disciplines, point values, everything.

>>54835005
>it's basically just 1d4chan: The Show

That's why we dislike it.

>>54835019
>Implying anyone can be sure that either side isn't just one guy LARPing as multiple people

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>>54834746

>>54834981
So still better than Abaddon.

>>54835037
He's outed himself as a troll, don't respond, see
>>54834886
>>54834903

>>54835016

He's the self proclaimed Warmaster, which basically means he's rallied the most people to his banner whilst none of the Primarchs gave much of a shit.

Now that the Primarchs are actually taking action and walking abroad again, almost as if some mysterious "writers" decided they'd all become active at once, how long do you think that'll last?

>>54834885
>tfw you play GK and Nids
>tfw GK are the overly specialized manlet marines who will be discarded in favor of more primaris marine kits that all other chapers can use (except for us)
>tfw the last new kit we got was a fugly babycarrier
>tfw our codex gets released first because we are "testing the waters" so that the other marines get proper codexes

>tfw you played nids during 7th and were the meme-tier "girls play nids cause bio-dildo's"-tier army
>tfw you just wanted to play space dinosaurs
>tfw in 8th edition you get called a WAACfag for sticking with your army through good and bad

>tfw GW will never show your shittier npc armies love again

Why even live.

>>54835016
You're missing the point Carnac, as usual.

>>54835047
>Make statement saying that either side could be a samefag
>One guy immediately gets offended
Welp, now we know who the samefag is.

New codex when?

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>54835056
>hating the proofster meme
You're a lowly creature.

>>54835023

Amusingly, assault centurions are actually pretty good now.

So people are arguing about the new chaos powers and Magnus being more Op yet I'm hear wondering where I can see them?

>>54835055
As a fellow GK, I still love you and your armies. Even the filthy xenos.

What do I do?
Wait and play Khorne or Slaanesh on the vague promise of new models

Or play Nurgle now for guaranteed new models right off the bat?

>>54835030
fuck off you contrarian piece of shit. when it first came out everyone here was fucking blowing loads everywhere over it. Now that its gotten more popular suddenly /tg/ wants to disown it. You're the 4chan version of hipster faggots who go around and talk about how they knew certain bands 'before they got popular'. stop being contrarian because thats whats expected of you on 4chan...form your own opinions about things

>>54835057
>PRIMARCHS ARE IMPORTANR BECAUSE I SAID SO

That's not a point as usual.

>>54835053
1) The Black Legion series says that Abaddon went to each of the Primarchs and have them acknowledge him willingly or forcefully as Warmaster

2) The CSM codex says that Abaddon inspired them to stop exit the Eye and Great Great to pursue their old vendetta against the Imperium.

Abaddon made them move their fat daemonic asses. He is their inspiration.

So again dude that's just your opinion and we go with what's in the fluff. And what's in the fluff is Abaddon > Primarchs.

>>54835077
Nah, people are talking about Hereticus and Magnus while one guy autistically screeches in the background.

>>54835091
The point is no matter how much they fluff Abaddon, he still never measures up. It comes off as forced.

You raging idiot.

>>54835091
>have them acknowledge him willingly or forcefully as Warmaster
Ignoring the fact that they only talked to him willingly, as he couldn't do anything about Magnus telling him to get fucked.

>>54835016
Isn't he kind of the self proclaimed Warmaster though? It's not like the daemon primarchs all sent in their absentee ballots and the votes were for Abaddon, he just kind of seized control of the main chunk of Chaos forces and the primarchs didn't really give a shit

I'm willing to bet if the daemon primarchs wanted themselves in charge and Abaddon out of the picture they could probably get it done fairly quickly

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>54835079
Not a Nazi. Hitler was too busying trying to help the weakest link, the Italians, after they spilled their spaghetti over the darn place instead of what was important: winning. Plus his racial policies were too out there for me.

>>54835091
>Say it, say I'm the warmaster and I'm just as good as Horus or i'll FORCE you to
>Yeah, sure, whatever, you're the warmaster, can you get off my planet now?

>>54835115
Just ignore the troll anon.

>>54835115
Stop giving him (you)s. Its a troll.

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>>54835102
WRONG AGAIN, BUB.

Point mode so you can understand much better.

1) Abaddon forced the submission of the Primarchs way before the 13th Black Crusade.
2) The part where Magnus refused to meet Abaddon prior to the 13th Black Crusade was retconned as Magnus was named an ally of Abaddon in the siege of Fenris.

>>54835100
Witness this. This is Abaddon's legacy in 40K. It will last 30 years.

>>54835087
> Play World Eaters
> Use Mk 3/4 kit and WE vet bits to make Berzerkers that'll look even better than any new stuff Geedubs puts out, and might even be cheaper

>>54835077
We got leaks. There are three new Hereticus powers:

>Death Hex: Unit can't take invu saves
>Gift of Chaos: Roll D6, if it's higher than target's T target eats D3+3 mortal wounds
>Diabolic Strength: Models gets +2S +1A

As well as three spells that can be casted at unit that has specific Mark

>Tzeentch: +1 invu
>Nurgle: -1 to get hit
>Slaanesh: 5+ FnP

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>>54835139
Fuck I forgot the picture

>>54835135
And yet it still doesn't make us like him.

Idiot.

>>54835139
Its a good option yeah.

Do you think I'll need to own both the CSM and Death Guard Codex to use them properly? As in, will the Death Guard Codex have the rules/points for Predators, Cultists whatever?

>>54835135
>Magnus was named an ally of Abaddon in the siege of Fenris.
Incorrect. And now you've made this claim lets see you prove it with a quote shall we?

>>54835155
Probably not. Codex Grey Knights is stand alone.

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>>54835125
>>54835126
I denied him (You)'s and he gave me at least two.

>Trading in a bunch of Magic cards to buy more plastic crack
>Torn between getting more stuff for my Dark Eldar army, or starting Tau

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How hard are white SM's to paint? I feel like white would look really good on table/primaris guys. I have an airbrush and haven't had the trouble people usually complain about with white, they're not just painting straight white onto something right? because that doesn't work

>>54835135
>Wooops I missed
Great legacy.

>>54835155
It'll probably only have rules for things you can take for DG.

>>54835112
I am reading the new Black Legion book now. The Chaos Gods themselves cannot handle Abaddon's swagger. What can the Primarchs do? Abaddon knows daemons more powerful than even the Primarchs such as you know...DOOMBREED. A daemon that has sworn himself to Abaddon in exchange for 2000 marine skulls.

It's right there in the codex. Abaddon's Legion vastly outnumber even the most numerous of the remaining traitor legion. How can the traitor primarchs compete with that?

>>54835147
Fuck me that's actually really cool
I imagine that scheme is just white armour plus some blood for the blood god texture paint
Anyone know how to do dirty white? I only know how to do it clean

>>54835162
Dark Eldar.

>>54835164
It's not a miss. The Crimson Path is suppose to follow the Crusade as it rampages towards Terra, not expand by itself. This is how it's explained in 6th ED and now 8th ED.

>>54835148
Not the point, anon.

>>54835157
Justa sec.

>Its a newfag tries to carnac-post episode
This was old years ago. Who has that image of the chinese guy saying 'its so exhausting?' Thats how I feel about this shit.

>>54835177
I think what I'll do, is I'll prioritize another Raider, and then, if there's enough trade credit left over for a Start Collecting Tau plus one more thing, I'll do that, otherwise go for a Razorwing.

>>54835163
>prime white or grey
>airbrush white over it
>thin down a dark grey/black to a wash and use it in the recesses only
>fix up any mistakes with the white you used to airbrush with

>>54835179
>It's not a miss.
It was supposed to go to Terra. Try reading the basic lore newfag.

>>54835202
Tell that to yourself. Open the 6th ED codex and 8th ED codex. It's suppose to FOLLOW the Black Crusade towards Terra.

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>>54835192
Here you go. I'm surprised Carnac himself is still here.

>>54835163
Duncan has a video for it and another for painting white over black base coat.

>>54835206
>It's suppose to FOLLOW the Black Crusade towards Terra.
Yeah so it missed. Good job keeping up retard. Try reading some basic lore beofre posting. Its embarrassing.

>>54835179
It is the point. Abaddon sucks. Wank away but he still sucks.

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>>54835214
This guy agree with his compatriot.

>>54835214
Perfect thanks Anon.

>>54834543
I can't pick a fucking army. Tell me which one I should play.

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desu I'd like to defend Abaddon more but Carnac being around makes it so much harder to.

>>54835228
What kind of strategies do you like in other games?

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So my girlfriend has painted her first ever miniatures. The one on the left is an all but finished product, and then you've got the stages to the right.

She's got an infuriating amount of potential, but she's always looking to improve. Any tips, Anons?

>>54834925

I think that they will focus on Space Marines (Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves) and Chaos (Death Guard, Thousand Sons and Chaos Daemon) before they release the rest of the codex books.

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>>54835218
Nope, the 13th Black Crusade is still at the Cadian sector. You are an idiot. Win they win, the Crimson Path will move towards Terra.

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Points value for CSM

>>54835234
That's actually baller quality as is
There's not much more to improve, could add a bit more shade into the recesses

>>54835241
>the Crimson Path will move towards Terra.
Sure so it missed the first time but they'll get it next time? Now you dont know the basic fluff and you're making excuses on top of it. Pathetic.

>>54835234
Fuck it, I like them

They look Nurgley a dessicated

Huge fucking piece of sprue on that bolter though

>>54835231
Abaddon doesn't need defending from a guy who doesn't believe that Living Metal = Necrodermis.

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>>54835255
And weapons points value
Sorry bout the spanish thing

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>>54835223
Nice pic.
>>54835226
You're welcome.
>>54835231
It's a challenge.
>new stuff only makes them angrier
That explains their past codices.

>>54835232
I'm not super concerned about playstyle, it's more that none of the factions click with me. I want something with a focus on range.

>>54835258
Wow you throwing your headcanon around like it means something and using ad homs. Can you even disprove what I said or will you keep at it. Lets see what will you do.

>>54835234
That's better than a lot of shit I've seen selling on Ebay. Make yourself a favor and marry that chick just for her painting skillz.

>>54835262
And SoS dont exist in 40k remember? Carnac is a cuck who hasnt been correct about the fluff in years. Even Lorgar in the new codex is and undivided daemon prince killing off the retardation of Belakor. Its great always seeing him get BTFO.

>>54835234
Mold lines and sprue mainly. Maybe also get some recesses washed and do basing too.
Outside of that looks fairly nice.

>>54835275
T'au and Dark Eldar both have some nice long-range attacks. Adeptus Mechanicus as well, I think.

>>54835228
What sort of themes do you generally like, anon?

>>54835278
>Wow you throwing your headcanon around
Cringe. Go to the OP you can find the lore in the mega. Start there newfag.

Are Dark Eldars any good in 8th edition?

And also how about necrons? Are they worth collecting?

>>54835262
Oh, I was afraid you'd forgotten about that. More fool you, I suppose.

>>54835281
>Even Lorgar in the new codex is and undivided daemon prince
He is?

>>54835296
DEldar player here. Everything but Covens are pretty solid in 8e. Mandrakes and Scourges are amazing now.

>>54835084
Thanks man.
<3

>>54835299
>As the atrocities carried out in the name of devotion rose to new heights, Lorgar was rewarded by his patrons with the gift of daemonhood.

>>54835299
Aye, they mention him being raised by patrons, plural.

>>54835255
>Propulsor de Salto
Hilarious

>>54835267
Huh. I was sure you called the Bolter "Requiem".
Who calls it Requiem then? I know Italians do for sure.

>>54835295
I have everything with me now, coward. All you have to do is point a page.

This is your last chance. I shouldn't waste all my time on you.

>>54835298
I never forget, never something that funny.

>>54835274
I will somehow make my Grand Master asian. I just need to find a proper miniature asian head.

>>54835323
>I have everything with me now
Sure you do newfag sure you do. Perhaps go read some of it before posting next time.

I suppose people here would be interested in these two things.
https://sendit.cloud/0sizkoyfg2yd CSM Codex
https://sendit.cloud/ttanhp21trhi GK Codex

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>>54835311
>>54835312
Hilarious. Did he sperg out when that got released?
>>54835328
Have you tried 3rd party bits?

>>54835339
Yes, check the lore thread. >>54832228

>>54835339
>Did he sperg out when that got released?
Not sure. Guess we should expect some inevitable break down from him in the next tyranid vs necron thread.

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>>54835342

>>54835337
Thx mate

>>54835281
>>54835299
A reminder that the text in 8th ED CSM codex is a copypasta from Traior Legions codex in 7th ED.

The 7th ED codex was proceed by the Chaos Index that reaffirmed that Be'lakor is unique among the daemon princes as the only prince with not a single master. Then there is also the recently released path To Glory that has no options for Undivided Ascension, So no. Be'lakor remains the Only Undivided Prince. What's logical is that Lorgar was agreed by the Chaos Gods to be ascended by one of them.

>>54835337
Thank you very much, Anon. I'm a bit concerned we've generally been petulant and whiney on Codex release days so, seriously, thanks for that.

>Space marines get captain on bike in their codex
>Chaos space marines don't get a lord on bike in their codex
I don't player either of those armies and that bothers the shit out of me.

>>54835291
Alright I think I'll go with Dark Eldar, tau is too anime and I want to be xenos. How are they to paint, they look like a bitch.

>>54835364
>What's logical
I actually laughed. Been awhile since I've gotten a laugh from you Carnac.

Friendly reminder that Belakor just got cucked harder than you when you believed Gouldstein when he said Sisters of Silence didnt exist in 40k.

>>54835267

Not much use to me yeah, like: Armas de Carnametal? What's that, arms of carnagemetal?

>>54835387
Gotta be fleshmetal weapons.

>>54835307
Thanks! I am thinking about either of armies as I am new in 40k

>>54835296
Any necrons players?

>>54835364
That isn't logical.

Lorgar is undivided. Eat it.

>>54835377
Wyches are bitches to paint. Basically, too many details. But better than Orks and having to paint 30 models for a SINGLE squad.

>>54835396
Necrons are fine.

Basically every army is passable in the current edition. Really you shouldn't give a fuck about that, you should play the army you think is cool and that you like the aesthetic and background of.

>>54835337
Thanks anon, you're a gentleman and a scholar.

>>54835382
I mean whenever Be'lakor is mentioned we are told that he is the only one of his kind. Who are we suppose to be believe? That lorgar is Undivided despite to clear text saying so? I am glad the CSM codex came first because later we will have the daemon codex so i ask you honestly what will you do when Be'lakor is stated once again to be only Undivided? Cry and moan? I I expect so. Then I will have the last laugh on people so desperate in their biases that they want to ruin the lore.

>>54835357
>Pissed off at racist joke
>Use meme that mocks disabled people

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>>54835345
>>54835354
That made my morning. Today is a good birthday.

>>54835377
You can go with pretty simple color schemes. A single dark base color with a light/neon highlight for details is the traditional design.

>>54835396
If you start with Dark Eldar, I recommend the Start Collecting box, and then either get more Warriors and Raiders (if you like shooting a lot) or Incubi and Vipers (if you like melee combat). Scourges and Mandrakes are nice ambush units, too, but getting a squad of Scourges optimally kitted out either involves buying bits or modeling/bashing.

>>54835368
Space Marines lost their Biker Captain as well.

>>54835368
We didn't get daemonic mounts or our cult units as troops either.
But we got some good stuff too and we can still use the bike/daemon mount datasheet from the index so it's an okay trade off.
I just hope we get some way to take our cult units as troops soon, I liked spamming six units of Noise Marines in the Battalion Detachment.

>>54835164
Anon it's clear the Tau were the real goal of Abaddon all Along!

>>54835411
Where is the option for Undivided in Path of Glory, then?

>>54835335
Dodge . Expected as much.

>>54835428
I will again point out the fluff that says Lorgar is undivided and laugh at your impotent rage, even if they did do that. You can't erase that it says he was elevated by all his patrons.

The only one who wants to ruin lore is you with your out of place fantasy transplant.

What happened to all of the deathwatch specific kits?

>>54835437
No they didn't. Captain on bike is between Captain and Primaris Captain on page 141.

>>54835432
Happy Birthday, anon. Enjoy the Carnac tears.

All the Tau stock is "no longer available". Does this mean a codex is dropping soon, and products will return with updated data sheets?

>>54835443
Irrelevent?

Like entirely. It doesn't matter if its common or you can make one. What matters is the clear fluff. Which clearly states Lorgar was elevated by patrons, plural.

>>54835429
It mocks dogs. That only matter to furries.

>>54834921
>>54834905
>>54834915

Because he was Thousand Sons only and they're getting their own codex, twatwaffles.

>>54835337
*respectful nodding*

>>54835452
Nope, Be'lakor text would prove what I said. That they agree that Lorgar deserves a reward and one of them elevated him. That's the only logical path forward. Again, you are bias to have Lorgar as Undivided is aggravating it blinds you to the nonsensical fact that when Be'lakor is stated to be the one and only of his kind then there can be no others.

>>54835368
You can just take it from the Index

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>>54835461
I haven't had these tears in a while. I'm really feeling it.

>>54835314
Just Italians as far as I know. Remains from 3rd edition, when every unit had a translated name, latin in the 95% of the cases.

>>54835428
Love how you avoid mentioning all those times you got BTFO yet somehow you expect it to go differently in the future. Sad and pathetic as always.

>>54835488
Except the lore that says Lorgar is undivided. Which isn't erased no matter hard you shill.

The only logical path is that you're wrong. You will always be wrong. Your bias blinds you as much as your tears do.

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>>54835468
It ain't It fits in how the Chaos Gods saw the folly of elevated Undivided Princes.

Also like like I said, 7th ED traitor legion has Lorgar being rewarded by the Chaos Gods and yet a few months later. This guy was stated be the only Undivided guy as to have not a single master.

So....your proof for Lorgar being Undivided is flimsy. Be'lakor status remained inviolate for nearly a decade.

>>54835488

How is it the logical thing to infer that because of some offhand statement that Be'lakor is "uniquely undivided", suddenly text that states Lorgar was raised to the status of daemon prince by patronS (plural) MUST in fact mean that behind the scenes the gods agreed for one of them to make him a daemon prince under their banner? Why wouldn't it just state that in the text? For that matter, I feel like it would be a pretty significant thing to state Lorgar swearing loyalty to one particular chaos god, I don't think they would just leave it out of the text for no reason

Also Perturabo is a daemon prince of chaos undivided as well

Hey guys, new to warhammer and posted once a week or so ago. I've picked up the indexes Xenos 1+2 and I'm gonna go for Tyranids. As far as I can see there is no codex (the individual faction books?) for them in this new iteration of the game. My question is should I get the last codex released for them or are all the values/rules outdated? I think I'd like to have it for reading and artwork anyway, but maybe I should wait for the new one?

>>54835515
Except once again its confirmed Lorgar was elevated by multiple.

>>54835532
The release of 8th edition totally invalidated all previously existing codexes. Until there is an 8th edition codex release you use indexes.

Expect a codex when hell freezes over.

>>54835532
Use the Index. Its newest.

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>>54835509
No, it does not. Be'lakor exists for the sole purpose being the only one and his fluff restated each time he reveals his handsome face. So you have to come to terms with that as long as Be'lakor exists, Lorgar's allegiance will be a subject of unknowns.

>>54835053
The Gods need a MORTAL. A daemon can be banished for centuries. A mortal can walk the imperial realm at will and does not require to be summoned, nor are rituals and such required to keep him here. It's why he is chosen by the grace of the Gods and why he is not a daemon prince himself.

>>54835545
Nope. Its clear as day. He'd undivided and you are so salty about it, its glorious.

Bel'lakor is once again shown to be a pointless irrelevency.

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>>54835529
What is the significance of the 8 wounds again? It's been a while since I looked into lore.

>>54835543
>>54835544
Well shit. Thanks for the info. Where do you find colour schemes btw? I'm not seeing anything beyond 2/3 main faction ones but there are heaps of paints

Chaos and Grey Knight codexes dropped pretty quickly. Will new codexes be released every fortnight or so then?

>>54835539
Don't force me to repeat myself. The text is copypasta of 7th ED which then proceeded in short order by >>54835545

You think falsely Lorgar is Undivided but cometh the daemon codex and Be'lakor lore has him as the only Undivided then what? We gonna play this game all over again?

Lets get it over with now and save ourselves the trouble. What will be your arguments against it?

>>54835532
The old codex's are outdated, they are from the previous edition, use xenos 2. Wait for the new one if you really want a codex, but the index's have the current rules for Tyranids.

>>54835577
That we're told Lorgar is undivided. Which you cannot erase.

>>54834624
Explain how it's plebbit.

>>54835563
Not as clear as the text I posted. NO SINGLE MASTER.

>>54835337
You have my gratitude, kind anon.

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>>54835575
Oh that. Holy fug that's bad.

>>54835561
By the same logic, you must be retarded, and it seems fitting.

>>54835577

page 38, paragraph 4: "As the atrocities carried out in the name of devotion rose to new heights, Lorgar was rewarded by his patrons with the gift of daemonhood."

>patrons
>plural

Why is the retarded newfag trying to say that Lorgar isnt an Undivided Daemon Primarch? Thats the oldest lore and an immutable fact that has never changed. Anyone who says otherwise is retarded.

>>54835582
You think so but we are told that Be'lakor is the only Undivided Prince. That's one of his points of infamy. So how will it be?

>>54835585
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Derp

>>54835532
as others have said, use the index, but if you go through the megas in the OP you can find the old codexes for fluff stuff

hope you enjoy your bugs!

>>54835601
I don't need to point at the Be'lakorian text again and at my earlier post.

Logic dictates that they agreed to have one of them elevate him. There is no other way for this to mesh with Be'lakor's lore within the same edition. So far you have no argument against this.

>>54835611
Stop talking my mentally challenged friend, the world will never get easier to understand but people may still pity you.

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Lorgar is the undivided daemon primarch, Bel'acuck is the undivided daemon prince.
Fucking get it right.

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>>54835627
Daemon Primarchs are daemon princes. Also Tanya is a cutie.

Were where u when Chaos Lord on bike is kill?

>>54835568
If 4chan will let me link it, (too big to attach here,) here's a pdf of the 3rd edition codex:
https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/gaming_and_diversion/Warhammer_40K_Collection/Warhammer%2040k%20-%20Codex%20-%20Tyranids.pdf
Pages 28 and 29 have a load of colour schemes, albeit with the old names for the various paints (GW still sells them, but under different names).

>>54835619
Logic dictates that he is an undivided demon prince, like the text say.

>>54835631
>>54835600
You got wrecked just stop posting for your sake. (Also, I'm not chinese)

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>>54835601
Keep it up.
>>54835611
I think they need something to go with it.

>>54835617
Thanks mate! I'm sure I will and I'll check those megas out. Honestly some of the stuff seems a complete ripoff but the bigger boxes are not too bad and I feel like this could be a great hobby. Building and painting to de-stress a bit and then some good old fashion table play that I haven't experienced since I was a kid. Also Warhammer seems to have just the right amount of strat and lore depth to satiate my autism.
>>54835643
Thanks a lot man, I'll have a read of that now.

>>54835644
But what about the Be'lakor text though? You can't pretend it doesn't exist.

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>>54835643
I think it got retconned that Daemon Primarch is their actual title now. Like they're above a standard Daemon Prince and I think they might be above Greater Daemons too, whereas from stats wise I think the average Daemon Prince is a step below a Greater Daemon.
Yes she is.

>>54835337
Is it just me or is the text slightly more messed up than usual? I'm using Readium and all the previous epubs I've downloaded from here have been fine.

>>54834543
>get ad on facebook for miniature sale
>decide why not get some stuff for objective markers
>buy a kit called WARRIORS OF ISLAM INFANTRY WITH SPEARS I
>package arrrives
>has celtic shields
>doesn't have spears
>the item page tells you this but it doesn't when you're scrolling through their catalog
At least their norman characters are cool

>>54834624
I fucking hate nu-/tg/ so much.

>>54835671
No, it wasn't retconned. Even in 8th Ed which is latest they said to be daemon princes.

>>54835670
It's older than the Lorgar text. It means it's been retconned. It has the same relevancy as 3rd edition Necron lore.

>>54835619
That is not logical. Indeed, it's opposite of logical. Agreeing to elevate and give a massive asset to one god is not an answer at all.

I don't HAVE to have an argument against it.

All I need is evidence that says he was elevated by multiple patrons. Not A patron, patronS. Which I have. As long as that exists, no amount of stuff about your waifu will ever change that Lorgar was elevated by all four of the patron gods.

You literally cannot get around it. The only options are to somehow not include him in the category of daemon prince (which you reject) or for him to be an exception of some sort. Him being elevated by one god does not fit being elevated by multiple patrons and would make no sense.

>>54834885
You only ever were a real army by stealing units from other armies anyway

>>54835669
Why would that wreck me? I said before I'm not chinese.

>>54835670
Don't have to pretend it doesn't exist. It conflicts with other lore that is equally valid, though.

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>>54835713
Then what are you then? A Toothpaste person?

>>54835693
The only Daemon Primarch with a datasheet is Magnus in the Index and his Keyword is Daemon Primarch specifically.

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>>54835694
You need to invest more skillpoints into judging a persons character.

>>54835701
Okay then. So let put this to a close for now because I want continue reading "Black Legion", If the new daemon codex comes out and Be'lakor was restated (for the third time) that he is unique among his kind as the one and only Undivided, will you accept it?

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>>54835737
Oh so Mongolian.

>>54835726
Do Texans just hate giving out information in general?

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>>54835753
I'd say at least 63%.

>>54835746
That would be cool. But nah.

>>54835753
Texas just sucks

>>54835755
Ad hominems, the sign of maturity.

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>>54835766
Fug.

>>54835730
Seems like they're going the 'all daemon primarchs are daemon princes but not all princes are primarchs' route probably.

>>54835744
He might, I won't because it still won't erase Lorgar's text saying he was elevated by multiple patrons.

>>54835744
Of course not, the Chaos Codex openly stated that Lorgar is undivided. You can't retcon it with another codex, codexes are biased for the one they are for. It just means that in the deluded mind of Belakor he believe he is still the only undivided demon prince, despite the fact that he has been replaced.

>>54835779
Maybe?
Bel'akor has the Daemon Prince keyword and Magnus doesn't, I think Daemon Primarch is it's own distinct "breed" of greater daemon now.

>>54835785
keep projecting man

>>54835785
That's not even remotely what i implied

>>54835798
Speaking of which, i wonder what "Magnus the Red" keyword is all about. I don't think that Guilliman has one?

>>54835733
5 guys, two blight launchers

>>54835814
you just come across as an insane paranoid

>>54835793
The reasoning here is whack. It's even worse if you are the original anon.

>>54835787
That's being intellectually dishonest. If the daemon codex came around and said that Be'lakor wasn't only Undivided I would concede. You on the other hand intend on clinging your bias of having Lorgar as Undivided even if GW studio staff came to your house and told you otherwise.

>>54835733
Depends on what you want them to do. A generally effective loadout is 5 Plague Marines with 3 Plasma Guns (2 on Marines, 1 on Champ). 5 with 2 Blight Launchers is also fantastic. Considering the Flail of Corruption is only 10 points, I'd say 7 with 2 Flails, 2 Axes and 2 with double Knives could be a nice melee loadout. Conflicted about those Flamers, though.

>>54835820
honestly I have no idea, maybe they intended to do something with it?
It might be related to certain characters only being allowed in an army once.

>>54835019
Reply if you do, it's just a microsm of 2012 /tg

>>54835828
>even if GW studio staff came to your house and told you otherwise.

But GW studio staff did actually send a written document to my house saying the exact opposite. It's called a Codex, look it up. And it openly states that Lorgars is an undivided demon prince.

>>54835798
I've always been a little perplexed by that lore-wise
Apparently Greater Daemons laugh at Daemon Princes for being so plebby and inferior, does that apply to Daemon Primarchs?
Hell Angron is supposed to be best buds with An'ggrath and has a bodyguard of Bloodthirsters

>>54835681
Nah, /tg/ has just been swarmed by edgy teenagers.

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>>54834562
The lion has autism

>>54834624
>hating fun
What are you, some kind of faggot?

>>54835828
Except the problem is as long as that Lorgar stuff exists and isn't actually clarified, it clearly state's he's undivided.

You cannot avoid that fact.

If GW studio staff did that, I'd ask them to explain Lorgar. Which I'd then accept.

>>54835844
Not the point. I am saying if GE staff changed their minds and sent you a newer codex that says otherwise.

>>54835170
Build over brown base

>>54835837
Le ebin molyneux man

>>54835844
and that has been retconeed you fag, there are no undivided princes after belkaor

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>>54835846
> Supreme Command Detachment featuring Angron and 5 Bloodthirsters could be legal someday

>>54835869
if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike. You are talking about hypotethicals that have no basis on reality. While we're le'ts talk about how Belakor has been retconned into being a minor tzeentch demon with illusion of grandeur. It has the same basis.

>>54835885
The codex came out today, it's literally the newest GW document at the moment. I bet swallowing that you are wrong it's harder than swallowing Belakor cock.

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>>54835885

>>54835846
well, looking at the stats, and some of the lore, I'm almost certain Daemon Primarchs are a step above Greater Daemons.
Magnus is stronger than a Lord of Change, not by much but it's there.
Fulgrim got given an entire daemon world of pleasure just for himself. His legion is still looking for it, so is the inquisition.
As you said, Angron has Greater Daemons for bodyguards.
So I'm pretty sure the ranking system, which mentions neither Daemon Princes nor Primarchs, has the Daemon Princes above Heralds but below Greater Daemons, and Daemon Primarchs a step above Greater Daemons to the point only their gods really outrank them.
And then there's Typhus who is basically considered the same rank as a Herald of Nurgle.

>>54835871
>fun is just a buzzword
Keep telling yourself that 'till you die alone.

>>54835922
In terms of stats and game rules there is no doubt that Magnus could wipe the floor with any of the greater demons.

>>54835922
Kind of a tangent, but is there confirmed lore on what a Demon World is like other than codex snippets?

>>54835871
And shouting "plebbit!" repeatedly like you have tourette is?

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>>54835911
>You are talking about hypotethicals that have no basis on reality.

But it has. we know that 7th ED dex said that Lorgar was ascended by his patrons and then later Be'lakor was stated to be unique among his kind. It's possible that this will happen again soon.

We know that somebody in GW wasnts Be'lakor to maintain his rightful place.

>The codex came out today, it's literally the newest GW document at the moment. I bet swallowing that you are wrong it's harder than swallowing Belakor cock.

That's a different anon and he is mad that you missed the point.

>>54835929
>not even adressing him
Not that guy but all you do is look retarded to bystanders

>inb4 only pretending to be retarded

>>54835837
Who would've thought a Molyneux fanboy is delusional?

>>54835922
I think it's more about the fact that becoming a daemon prince is a big power boost, but usually a mortal is so weak that even with that they are still much weaker than a greater demon.

Primarchs were already stronger than GD when they were "mortals". After ascension it's obvious they are going to be higher rank.

>>54835942
You tip your hand by saying 'rightful place' as if Be'lakor somehow deserves or has to be the only undivided prince.

It's not 'rightful,' particularly when it was a shitty retcon already. There is nothing rightful about it.

And you will never, ever, be able to erase the fact that we know, factually, that Lorgar was raised by multiple patrons.

>>54835922
Abaddon is a mere mortal and he commands greater daemon and daemon princes.

>>54835962
Abaddon is a joke who should've died in the events leading to 8th ed

>>54835942
>It's possible that this will happen again soon.

It's also possible that Belakor will be revealed to be an uppity Tzeentch daemon prince with a deluded mind. Probably Tzeentch laught about how he's absolutely sure about being undivided, and he ask for favour to Khorne and Nurgle.

>he is mad that you missed the point.

The point is that Lorgar is undivided, and Belakor being the only undivided prince is ufficially retconned.

>>54835970
Agreed, but who then takes his place?

>>54835967
You do realize that 1d4chan and TTS are oldfaggotry to their very core, right?
If anything you're the newfag for disliking them to look cool to your other newfag friends.

>>54835970
Maybe so but he still commands greater daemons and princes. There is no hierarchy with Chaos.

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>>54835056
What are you trying to accomplish here?
Did the JIDF find out that nazis like 40k

>>54835977
I heard a certain leader of the red corsairs could be a fitting replacement...
Or an event with various daemon primarchs fighting each other

>>54835930
Really, he looks a step above Kairos but it doesn't look like a huge power gap.
Also I just realised I forgot a rank, the Arch-Daemons, Lord of War ranked Daemons from Forge World Index, Magnus doesn't even match the weakest of them, I think they can be considered the closest we'll get to having the Chaos Gods themselves on the board unless the game introduces a shitload of power creep and the Emperor himself wakes up.
>>54835932
Not that I'm aware of.
>>54835958
That's fair, I didn't think they could go toe to toe with Greater Daemons as mortals, but I guess someone like Lucius could potentially bring one down in a one on one melee fight so it makes sense.
>>54835962
Abaddon is the fucking 40k equivalent to the Everchosen, a mortal instrument of the gods, chosen to command their legions due to his ambition, and kept mortal so he can't just be banished.
Even though a Daemon Prince or a Greater Daemon could take him out, they don't because he is chosen.
Bel'akor not being chosen because he's a daemon prince is actually a part of his lore and in Fantasy he resented Archaon.

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>>54835977
I just read the Black Legion novel. It says that among is a champion like no other. There will never be one like him ever again. He alone among all the champions past and present can end the Great Game of Chaos if he would only swear his soul to one of the powers. This makes the Chaos Gods hate, fear, and want him in equal measure.

>>54835993
I'd be down with The Blackheart leading.

>>54836009
wow, a novel written to explicitly wank a character wank that character. How surprising.

>>54836007
I've been here 10 years.
If anything, you are the insecure newfag.

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>>54835993
>I heard a certain leader of the red corsairs could be a fitting replacement...

Errrm...no. He was too weak to reject daemonhood by the Chaos Gods. He was forced to use an Old Ones device to cure himself of the taint of Chaos in order to escape being turned into a daemon prince with the mind of a spawn.

Abaddon needs to devices. He resists the Chaos Gods by sheer willpower alone.

>>54835939
Can someone share a good novel by ADB?

>>54836020
Huron's novel didn't wank him. See >>54836040

>>54836040
Needs no.