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I have had fantasies in my head about scenarios in which the

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I have had fantasies in my head about scenarios in which the feudal system would return. The general premise is that in the future, the world experiences rapid resource depletion. The nations of the world, all pushed by their anxious populace, all exhaust themselves and eventually tear themselves apart in a nuclear as they strive after the last remaining resources on the planet. The result is a breakdown of all modern civilization and political structures. Men of power, wielding labor and capital, entrepreneurs, politicians, cartels, army officers, police directors, religious leaders and gangs all begin to carve out spheres of influence and territories as they restore stability. This chaotic, decentralized structure remains and becomes the norm, hence bringing back the feudal system.

The old feudal system, in Europe at least, rested upon Christianity. The justification of the Feudal hierarchy was that it was god's natural order for society, the count was servile to the duke because it was god's will. If the feudal system was to re-establish itself, religion in a similar vein would have to return. I think that the developments found in political theory, philosophy and science would make such a foundation flimsy, hence the feudal system would have to base itself on something else. I think the superiority of the ruling caste would establish itself on the doctrine of Darwinism and evolutionary theory, the upper castes are elite because they are genetically superior, their blood is untarnished by the effect pollution and radiation have ravaged on the general populace.
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You should read how the feudal system came to happen, how it did evolve and why it was phased in favor of mercantilism first and capitalism later

Marc Bloch's The Feudal Society would be a good starting
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>>54833710
>The old feudal system, in Europe at least, rested upon Christianity.
Holy shit, you're fucking retarded.

The old feudal system in Europe rested on martial strength. Peasants listened because their lord knew 10000 ways of killing them. The whole religious angle of "God has chosen me" was just a polite excuse to make the lord look better than just a thug born into a long family line of thugs ever since the Roman empire collapsed and the Roman army left behind began carving out their own little kingdoms in the rotting remains.
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>>54833710
The Fuedal system DID return, we replaced noble families with executives and corporations.

We live in a Cyberpunk reality.
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>>54834454
Yes, absolutely. Early lords weren't past raiding their "own" villages and peasants, too.
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Only five posts in and the amount of stupid in this thread is pretty painful.

>>54833710
>The old feudal system, in Europe at least, rested upon Christianity.
Because there was no such thing as non-christian Feudal nations in Europe, right?
Look up history of Lithuania.

>I think that the developments found in political theory, philosophy and science would make such a foundation flimsy
Yeah, complete breakdown of society, but religious social premises are flimsy... Because apparently most fundamental social structures are weak and non-persistent. So is religion. But modern secular atheism that isn't all that damn stable even today, that is going to last through everything.

>ruling caste would establish itself on the doctrine of Darwinism and evolutionary theory,
Modern secularism is strong and survive any societal collapse, but apprently basic understanding of Darwinism will revert hundred years backwards, somehow?
Also... Darwinism is now about... purity of blood? God dammit, why do you people use words you clearly don't understand...

>>54834454
>The old feudal system in Europe rested on martial strength.
Kill me.
Kill me now.

>>54834459
>The Fuedal system DID return, we replaced noble families with executives and corporations.
And now we have someone who does not even fucking know what the word "feudalism" means.

This thread is not off to a good start.
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>>54834563
Corporations are all but legal entities unto themselves. They don't have their own sovereignty, but they sure think they do, and they're sure trying hard to make it a reality. That's why we dropped the TPP treaty, it would have literally left companies to police themselves with their own courts.

Crops have been replaced with profit margin. Serfs with Employee's. It was much more blatant before the anti-trust laws, when companies could pay you in company script that could only be spent at company stores. People still have the right to move and seek employment freely, technically making them free men. The practical, if not literal, context surrounding these freedoms erode every day. In return for their loyalty to governments they receive tax breaks, grants, and contracts. Said governments blatantly serve such Companies, political capital and influence and bought and sold like elector count votes.
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>>54834704
Jesus fucking Christ kid. Back to /pol/ or /x/ or what ever garbage shute your kind crawls in... Your tirades aren't even fucking relevant to the subject of this thread. Just go away.
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>>54833710

Imho you should really look at what feudalism is. In its core its a personal and not territorial understanding of 'states' and the absence of a strong central power that is able to enforce the law.

So take a collapsing modern state and look at its army.

The army carves out pockets of stability but is unable to keep the whole state together. Time passes and the once rigid chain of command erodes. The HQ actually has no way of enforcing ist orders and instead has to cooperate with the individual units and offer them benefits too.

The individual army units start to economize their holdings (see what I did there), the HQ gets a certain share or tithe in exchange for the high tech that only the HQ produces. Specialists flock to the individual commanders because only they can guarantee a stable environment for their craft. Money becomes entirely worthless and bartering becomes the order of the day. The individual commanders/generals meanwhile start giving their officers holdings because the centralized approach of whole units holding territory is ineffektive and leads to overstretch. The officers get their holdings and have to pay a tithe and educate new recruits on their own.

Some especially strong commanders get uppity and start demanding more freedom. The citizen councils that were in effect at the start of the crisis are becoming weaker and weaker because the generals and the HQ are tightening their control.

After a century or two belonging to the former general staff or officer class becomes a heriditary trait and only the kids of generals and officers can hold commandos. Slowly a new nobility builds without forced and retarded Social darwinism or religiosity.

Now give military ranks a Post apoc treatment and use them as titles of your new nobility. Decide how much tech should be available and voila there is your new feudalism.
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>>54833710
I'd rather go down to the Roman bureaucracy.
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>>54834964
Oh and all the neighbouring countries had the same process ofc.
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