Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for Xenos.

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Alpha legion

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How do I turn this into something competent/play well?

20 Constrip blob.

1 x Veterans Squad.

2 x Special Weapons teams.

1 x Command Squad

1 x Lord Commissar

1 x Commissar

2 x Chimera

1 x Leman Russ Battle Tank

First for soul grinders who chaos platers could really start usong to aid them. Knights and titans also acceptable.

Is a predator and a knight worth getting?

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LION

WHEN

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>>54824770
have a (you) for being a good OP

>>54824828
You can go a few different ways, three archetypes mainly.
If you like tanks get demolihsers / punishers with 3 heavy flamers each and support then with infantry squads.
If you like being a cunt get 999999 conscripts.
If you like holding the line get Manticore artillery and heavy weapons teams.

>>54824849
>players
>using

>>54824863
Also Tempestus squads with plasmas can supplement any of these for picking off exposed enemies.

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>>54824858
Thanks.

I'm going to visit the FLGS where I just moved to. Wish me luck, tg.

>>54824849
Did they do something with Soul Grinders to make them worthwhile? Right now they don't seem too good.

>>54824890
Literally take pics.

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Nth for Steegion best legion

>>54824892
Ignore him. He's just a shitposter with a Grinder fetish.

>>54824920
Whoa, somebody got on the LR Punisher train.

>magnetized?

>>54824920
Plastics when?

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how can craftworlders even compete?

>>54824890
god speed sir!

Trying a new list

-sorcerer 109
Force sword, plasma pistol
-lord 85
Power sword, plasma pistol
-Sorcerer 175
Combi melta, force axe
-herald of Slaanesh 66

-10 daemonettes
Musician
-5 space marines 78
plasma
-5 space marines 65
-10 cultists 59
Flamer
-10 cultists 54
Stubber
-10 noise marines 242
6 sonic blasters, combi-bolter, 2 blast masters

-hellbrute 162
Twin lascannons, fist

-5 havoks 105
4 heavy bolters
-chaos predator 201
Autocannon, two lascannons

1500 points, main players hang back and shoot while the enemy tangles with the chaff, good?

>>54824920
question those russes with double traks, is it just to look cool or what?

>>54824855
LION IN NOVEMBER. I PROMISE YOU MY FRIEND.

>>54824973
And if you are wrong you agree to cut off your over balls.
SWEAR IT ANON
Your not a chicken are you? Or a liar right?

>>54824973
Another traitor primarch? Whos the next loyal primarch they'll bring back, Vulkan?

How viable is it to play mech guard? Lemans and Veterans in Chimeras making most of the army in this case, with a bit of artillery/air support depending on how big the game is. Only infantry without transports would be characters like Tech-priests and Master of Ordnance.

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I like manlet marines better than chads.

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>>54824927

yes, all the turrets, hull, and sponsons are magnetized and I can field three of any model.

>>54824939

I'm not counting on ever, but considering a basica SL guardsman is like $4-6 plus shipping on ebay I'd like them three years ago.

>>54824964

Yes, it's just cosmetic. I think the Leman Russ model is too narrow for how tall it is, so the extra tracks are to flatten in out a bit. I think they look pretty solid on the TT, too.

>>54825010
GW is too pussy to actually make Lion a traitor, they bitched out with the Chaos Codex and made Alpha Legion unambiguously evil traitors, killing the secret loyalists conspiracies.

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>>54825002
I can only confirm the Lion is the next Primarch to return.

>>54825010
NO BULLY MOST LOYAL PRIMARCH.

>>54825042
Alpharius is more loyal than lion

>>54825035
>Yes, it's just cosmetic
Ok cool, nice dkok commissar too. He looks good in the SL.

>>54825040
GW should bring back Vulkan then, everyone likes vulkan

>>54824957
I'd ditch the slaanesh Herald and upgrade the predator from autocannon to twin lascannons, and beef up either the havocs or the csm squad.

Do you have a legion in mind? I'd also make a plan A with stratagem use and a Plan B for defensive/reactive use.

Are those daemonettes being summoned and warp timed?
>say yes

Also, I'd put autoguns on all my cultists.

>>54825042
>I can only confirm the Lion is the next Primarch to return.
Why is that?

>>54824950
are you making these?

>>54825075
Except for all the stormweenies, which /tg/ seems to have an unnerving amount of

>>54825040
There is literally no reason to make Lion a traitor, unless they want to re-write him.

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>>54825095
He's Lion

>>54825095
I think they plan on doing alternating traitor/loyal primarchs.

There's a rumor one is switching sides, but people may have been reading into narrative shit talking too much.

>>54825127
I meant in universe

>>54825042

>be chapter serf good at art
>spend months painting awesome murals on master's drop pod
>it all burns up on re-entry
>have to paint it over again every drop
>fml

>>54825054
Alpharius is dead Dave

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>>54825025

The problem with mech guard now is that there are no fire points on the chimera or the taurox, so you can't drive and shoot from the vehicle. You have to dismount to shoot, which effectively just makes your infantry faster but more expensive. On top of that, the chimera got nerfed HARD. I swear to god ever since that sinfully ugly taurox model came out GW has been doing their best to replace the chimera with it, and now my favorite vehicle is 50% more expensive than it used to be with less firepower, no fire ports, no amphibious, and no mobile command center. It's practically junk next to the taurox, which is only slightly less durable and otherwise better at everything.

Mech guard also runs into the problem of scions being a better mobile alternative than transports because deepstriking is risk free now. You pay more for the scions than for guardsmen, but you get much better weapons, including tons of plasma/melta, and land in the perfect place every single time. You can't DS within 6" of a vehicle so no melta shennanigans, but you can still rapid fire shit into oblivion after appearing on the board and even still charge.

Basically transports are now just drive up, get out, shoot up close (then die) instead of drive, shoot from the back, drive, shoot, etc.

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>>54824855
When's the day of the rope?

>>54825129
He already is a traitor you dipthong

>>54825010
>tfw you never be more loyal than the Lion
He had chaos whispering in his ear since he crawled out of his pod. He tore the Great Beasts of Caliban apart with his bare hands and Heracles'd a goddamn hell-spawned lion as a child.
He had the future of him and his legion revealed to him but still he would not waver and even had the common decency to apologise for a sucker punch unlike a certain hairy fuck.

Loyalty is its own reward

>>54825026
Dude a well executed old school paint scheme looks so fucking good.

>>54825088
I forgot to mention, emperor's children so I can make two detachments for that sweet 9 command points.

Can't warp time daemons because key words

>>54825154
>gets all his lore from shitposters
Read a book, nerd

>>54825154
demonstrate that this is the case

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>>54825159
I wish it was mine makes ultras look good.

How do I improve this list?

Overlord
+Warscythe
+Resurrection Orb

12 Warriors

3 Canoptek Scarab bases

1 Triarch Stalker
+Heat Ray

1 Doom Scythe

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Who is the best Primarch?

>Magnus dies in the supplement that introduces him because as a daemon he can walk it off

Who wants to bet this happens with every daemon Primarch?

>>54825151
Yeah they're used differently now.

>more than 50% more expensive
I think the rhino actually doubled.

>no amphibious
C'mon man, thats not even a thing

>no fire points, -1 BS after moving
Valid digs.

>>54825204
You posted him.

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>>54825204
Objectively Guilliman.

>>54825212

Also, can't give orders from inside any more. Used to be the company commander's forward bunker, now the guy has to walk to use orders.

>>54825154
>you dipthong
I laughed more than I should have. I blame the Intro to English Linguistics courses I took in college.

>>54825219
my primarch cut your primarchs throat and laughed at him.

>>54825130
We can arrange to have a pain glove shipped over to the crimson fists, brother carlos.

>>54825234
Shame he couldn't lead so well.
Though that would still mean he couldn't get the job done.

>>54825212

>no amphibious
>C'mon man, thats not even a thing

I see you're never had a naval battle with orks for the Armageddon seas, with chimeras full of melta/demo charge guardsmen floating to makeshift torpedo orkish battleships.

I have. Chimeras were awesome just as they were.

>>54825127
Why do they have problems with vulkin?

He's black as in the color black not black as in the people who steal things.

>>54825257
Nah he's better.

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>>54825204
Take a wild Guess.

>>54825219
Guilliman is a filthy eldar lover!

>>54825210
Of course. It's just like with Tyranids. The good guys have to win every time. The bad guys only have to win once. Can't have the baddies win too much or there's nothing left for the good guys to lose.

>>54825042
Is Khan ever going to get a release years down the line?

They've been playing up the Scars over the past few years and in the new codex

>>54824957

Dude what are you doing

Noise Marines champions with Combibolters when they can take a Sonic blaster?

Havocs with 4 heavy Bolters when you could have 5 Sonic Blaster Noise Marines, Give them real weapons like Autocannons/LasCannons or go with Noise Marines

The Herald isnt worth it for 10 Daemonettes, realistically Daemonettes arent worth it unless you play them in units of 20, theyre too squishy. Besides that youre scrapping your legion traits by taking a Herald. You als already got enough HQs

The only reason to include that herald is via reserves and if you have critcal mass of Warptalons or Possesed or are playing a straighup daemon detachment.

What is the point of the two 2 SpaceMarine Squad? Why do you only have 1 Plasma Gun instead of two? Drop the useless 5man Squad without special weapons and replace them with more Cultists + Plasmagun for the other 5man Squad.

The way you think your list up youll need more cultists anyway.

Helbrute is kitted out good moving on

Id go for 4x Lascannons on the Predator. You have enough ways to deal with Infantery

SERIOUSLY Consider Bikes over Tactical Marines, one bike costs only 1 point more than 2 Tacticals, has 8" more Movement, 2 Wounds and toughness 5, additionally you can give them CCW, Flamer/Melta AND keep the BikeCombiBolter.

>>54825264
Sure, the master of the cuck Legion who probably couldn't even take as many worlds as the Death Guard was "better."
Fucking brainlets.

>>54825296
>Sure, the master of the cuck Legion who probably couldn't even take as many worlds as the Death Guard was "better."
Straight up. Glad we agree

>>54825281
In 30k? Dorn is supposed to be next, then probably Sanguinius/Alpharius/Lion and sometime after that you can expect the Khan.

In 40k? Who the fuck knows.

>>54825261
Because qualified comments and nuanced arguments aren't really hallmarks of retardation.

Sallies are just bro-tier good guys who happen to have skin the colour of tar, but clearly that means they're the perfect target for the usual race-rants.

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>>54825204
>posting an inferior swordsman when a better duelist and far superior general exists

Now don't you lot go posting that travesty that is the BL cover art of him. BL changes their art to resemble the 30k models,
not the other way round

>>54825270
Lion?

I've been away from 40k for a few years can someone explain to me how flamers work now?

>>54824887
>>54824770
(you) deserve it

>>54825337
Guardsman, are you telling me that you've misplaced your primer?

>>54825337
8" range, always hits.

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>>54825315
>this shitty fan art

Looks nothing like his official portrayals.

>>54825337
They instantly do d6 hit on 8" and can be fired after Running/advancing and in overwatch

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>>54825315
Dude themes his shit after gay bars and could rekt by curze

>>54825346
Primer's too expensive.

I just paint from the pot.

>>54825305
>Third Legion niggers think this is clever

>>54825315
>ha ha! I have captured these giant siege guns so horus cannot use them!
>I know, I'll give them to perturabo, he says he'll put them to good use at isstvan
I mean, how the fuck do you get deceived by "Mr People Skills" Perturabo?

>>54825306
Weirdly enough, I'm not as excited for 30k Khan as a potential 40k Khan and I play Scars in 30k

30k scars already play so differently than other legions that anything beyond their legion traits and rite of wars is just a bonus

A 40k khan coming back out of the webway like a loyalist doom rider would be fucking awesome


Also gib primaris jetbikes

>>54825365
didn The Lion break Cruzes back?

>>54825347
Random hits.

>>54825337
um you have a pressurised tank of promethium, some kind of hose and a valve. When the valve is opened the promethium is ejected in a stream over a pilot light which insights it

>>54825396
well memed

>>54825287
>legion traits
The codex isn't even out until next week and I need four HQs for the two detechments. Her job is to earn me 3 more command points and smite.
I only have so many sonic blasters.
And putting lascannons on the predator would take me one point over, are people Ok with that>

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>>54825376
Is easier than you'd think

man I miss that pictorial army builder. bloody gw

So ever since 8th drop my flgs has been seeing a decrease in Tau players. A couple of them outright quit the game publicly (one of them because of what 8th did to Riptides.) It's weird really, it only seems to be the Tau players quitting, everyone else including me with my BA army are enjoying the new edition. Anyone else seeing this?

>>54825432
And yet Dorn out-rused Alpharius, with his Surprise Bitch, Unexpected Phalanx manoeuvre. It's all very confusing.

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>>54825204
It is an objective fact that Sanguinius is the broest and best Primarch to have ever came out of the Emperors lab. He is also best son.

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>>54825385
Yep, and that was after putting him in a coma and breaking Curze's legion into warbands.

And glassing a portion of Macragge...

>>54825348
Oh lemme just look at this "official portrayal" of Ferrus before his model

>>54825376
Now that. That I'll give you

>>54825452
Honestly the hobby is better without them.

Tau are still competitive, just not as broken as in 7th.

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>>54825488
>no nigger hair

Not sanguinius.

>>54825488
Even as a Lion fanboy I agree, but also he's dead

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>>54825151
Hey, Steel Legion anon. Knights looking sexy as ever, despite the fact I thought they would look wierd in camo. Any plans for a camo Titan like some of the older art?

Also, got any games in with that Marauder Destroyer in 8e yet? I'm brainstorming up an Admech version, but I still need to find a way to mount some autocannon onto pic related's sides without them looking really out of place.
Missiles will be the Taurox missile launcher mounted into the cybernetics that will be replacing the jaw, Heavy Bolters will be on the fins and Twin Assault Cannon will just be one of the four weapons on the flanks.

Planning on thinning down some Sector Mechanicus walkways for a spinal plate to walk along, then getting some of that Worbla stuff to see if I can make some armoured carapace for the thing like the 30k Vulturax. Add three or four Stormraven engines from the back of the whale into where the tail fins currently are, a whole bunch of cybernetics and Cogs Mechanicus and some Sector Mech doors welded into the carapace and done.

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>Want to start 4 armies at once

>While already having 5 than need painting

Someone help me

>>54825376
Being Mr. "Raised by running away from wolves"?

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Anyone got a comfy Death Guard edit?

>>54824770
The Tallyman hath come!

>>54825526
>having multiple armies

How? I get maybe something that some naturally compliment themselves like Chaos Space Marines and Daemons but what on earth do you have?

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>>54825510
Glorious golden curls is now considered nig-nog hair?

>>54825429
The codex is out tomorrow.

You run one of the Sorc and the Lord in a Battallion Detachment filled by your Now single unit of 5man Marines, 20 unit of Cultists and 10 Unit of Cultists

Then a vanguard detachment with your 2nd Sorc, filling requirements with 2x 5man Unit of Noise Marines and your Helbrute, and put your Heavy Support in either of those Detachments doesnt matter

That gives you 7 CP easily

youd run her in a Patrol Detachment together with the daemonettes at best

I understand your plan of running 2 Battalion Detachments. But ABSOLUTELY GIMPING your List and being forced to take NOT take the significantly Buffed Codex Noise Marines/Cultists and neglecting Legion Traits and Stratagems (the only Reason youd need that much CP) is not worth the 2 laughable Points

I NEED ________pre-heresy________ DEATHGUARD BOOKS

>>54825095
It's going to be a loyalist after Mortarion. No way they would have more chaos primarchs than loyalists for long.

It's got to be one of the ones from a popular chapter. That means BA, DA or SW.

It is unlikely to be Sanguinus, because they haven't got round to setting up background justification for him to return at all.

So it's either Jonson or Russ.

The current space wolf range looks really bad, so they need some time to figure out how to make it look even worse for the primaris version.

Therefore, DA and the Lion are the next loyalist marine release.

>>54825526
Think about it, do you want to actually play those 4 armies?
I have only like 6models to paint from my CSM and a codex to buy tommorow, but I still didn't start Craftworlds out of fear that I'll burn out and never finish painting either.

>>54825204
Did the Laer blade or whatever just brazenly have a slanneshi icon on it? No one said anything?

>haha geez man that sword looks really strange

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>>54825562
>Have

Orks
Deathwing
Crimson Fists
Custodes
Blood Angels

>want

Catachans
Sisters
Alpha Legion
Death Guard

Even more if you count AoS

>>54825573
FUG U

U GET GARRO

>>54825586
>If you think it looks funny wait until you hear it talk!

>>54825567
>>54825429

Also I dont know what Models you own, Im just telling you that you Should Either Kit out those Havocs Properly or Remove them and add 5 Noise marines (to make use of the Stratagems coming out tomorrow)

Also Dont worry about that one point on the Predator, If you use the Codex Point Values Your Key Units (Cultists and Noise) are Reduced by up to 20% points wise.

Also Cant stretch this out enough. B I K E S are good there is literally no reason not to run them over a 5 man Marine Squad

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>>54825598
NOT WHAT I WANT

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>>54825520

When I get my first bonus I'll be using it on a FW warlord titan in the same color scheme.

I haven't played 8th yet since I don't play with unpainted minis, and I have had to change my list around to make it work. 30 more infantry and 6 sentinels to go, then I will be gaming again.

>>54825565
Some shitbag fanart has him in dreadlocks

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Whilst i'm certainly not a WAACfag, if I didn't have access to magnets and could only attach one weapon to a Sentinel; what would be the best overall?

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>Play 30k Custodes/Sisters, 30k/40k Imperial Fists, and Deathwatch
>Have no patience to paint black power armor save for 2-3 at a time
>Somehow tear through gold and yellow

God damn it why. The Deathwatch army is only 30 models while the IF and Custodes are about 100 each.

Also making an army viable in 30k and 40k simultaneously is hard.

>tfw tempted to pick up T'au
>tfw already have three armies that I'm working on, and enjoy

Convince me not to be swayed by the Greater Good.

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>>54825594
>Cuckstodes
>Wanting Sisters and Catachans
>AoS

How embarrassing.

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>>54825670
>Shitting on catachans

>>54825670
t. Chaosfag

>>54825562
Not that anon but I have.

Space marines
Blood marines
Gay marines
Spike marines
Rotting marines
Inquisition
Deamons
Tyranid
High eldar
Dark eldar
Tau
Orks
...

Please send help

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>>54825637
WEEEEEZ WUUUZ ANGELIC N SHEEEEEIT

>>54825618
>>54825567
Wiat, the codex is out on the 12th? not the 16th like the leaks said?

Alright everyone, what's you're collection currently looking like?

Post pics if you'd like and list it off!

>>54825641
wait for the codex or buy magnets.
At the moment if they move they're bs5+ which is all kinds of shit but does make the flamer worthwhile. But there are lore reasons for the armoured one at least to move and fire without penalty (gyroscopic stabilisers) sooo could be that GW will come to their senses and give them a potms equivalent

or just give them lascannons and sit on the back line

>>54824890
Where do you live, Anon?
nohomo

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>>54825520
Here is Spess Whale next to a Knight twin autocannon, it's rather too big. Anyone know of a TL Autocannon part that would be compact enough to mount two on each side of pic related?

>>54825682
Correct.

>>54825684
You listed Dark Angels twice there.

What is GW going to do once imperium wins every single week of Konor?

>>54825562
Different anon, but:
40k:
>Traitor Marines
>Guard

30k:
>SW
>DG
>Talons

WHFB:
>Lizardmen
>Daemons
>Warriors of Chaos

Mordheim:
>Orcs
>Witch Hunters
>Dwarfs
>Mercs
>Possessed
>Carnival of Chaos

Ronin:
>Samurais
>Bandits
>Soheis
>Civilians
>Monsters

20mm WW2:
>Germans
>Brits
>US

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>>54825204

>>54825641
Heavy flamer honestly.

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>>54824770

Oh look, it's THIS type of sperg retard. The dumbfuck who thinks he's allowed to cheat and get away with it.

News flash, kid, it's called a 1500 point list for a reason, not a 1501 point list. If I catch you going even a single point over, I am not playing you, and your sweaty fat ass WILL be called out and escorted from the LGS.

I'm sick and fucking tired of you shitstains thinking you can go over the cap because you're too much of a brainlet to spend your points correctly and competitively. Fuck up.

>>54825035
>Yes, it's just WAACfaggotry
wew

They really do look good.

>>54825719
Oh, hey Whaleguy. Been a while since I last saw your project. You make any progress on it?

>>54825594
>Death Guard
If you can't help yourself, go with that option over the others. Now is a pretty great time to get invested in them, given their current focus and new models. They also make for a pretty unique art style to try and develop, doubly so if you like conversions.

>>54825627
Nice. Looking forward to seeing Stealth Titan blasting faces. Repainting my own army at the moment, although I don't have an airbrush so redoing a whole War Convocation is taking a while. Seems like you have some pretty fuckawesome battles, they'll liven up the threads nicely.

>>54825520
so whatever happened to that void whale with ork herpes and Catachan?

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sorry guardlets, but if you aren't at least nine feet of solid muscle and mold lines you're never going to be able to satisfy a woman in [the current millennium]

>>54825026
How to get that red yellow?

>>54825694
dude you could preorder it last saturday

>>54824892
Knights and titans also work.

>>54825735

┌П┐(ಠ_ಠ)

>>54825492
>And glassing a portion of Macragge...
WERE IT NOT FOR THE GREAT ANGEL'S COUNSEL I WOULD'VE GLASSED YOUR ENTIRE SECTOR!!

>>54825641
Armored sentinels with lascannons behind/in ruins.
Hard to remove, reasonable damage output.

My mom is in the hospital again so I haven't had any time to play games. Anyone play any games lately that they would like to talk about or showcase with pictures?

>>54824920
Aw yes, Yarrick. I've been using him more and I love it.
>>54825035
Looks fun. I always magnetize my tanks too. Punisher with multi meltas and a lascannon has done the most work for me.

>>54825492

Wasn't that after Curze best the shit out of Girlyman while also fighting Lion? Curze doesn't have much in the way of shit he actually did, but I thought that was one of them. I could be wrong.

>>54825396
>>54825364
>>54825347

Thank you. That's what I thought but I just can't imagine the game without templates.

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Seems there's a dice set up for preorder. Just so you all know, given these things sell out really fast and there's normally a few anons pissed off about it.

Preorders up on NZ.

>>54825766

consider HK missiles, too. 6 points is jsut 2 conscripts, and it's a d6 D krak missile. a salvo of 10 of them could really lay down some early game hurt.

>>54825755
I am gearing up to run 8 Bullgryn and Nork.

>>54825735
This is really harsh and Waacy but you have a point.

>>54825641
Heavy Bolter for scout or Plasma Cannon for armoured. Scout with HB is probably optimal value.

>>54825761
My manger didn't say anything about it.

I guess it doesn't matter then because my lists will be incorrect come tomorrow.

>>54825204
Magnus

>well read, likes books and shit
>Not austisitc, doesnt filp out over perceived insults
>big guy
>lots of hair
>pshycic powers second only to the Emperor
>is nice to the other primarchs (saved vulkan despite having already been forced onto the opposing side)
>Had a city with pshycic waiters so no need to decide
>Had his own vinyards
>Loyalist

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>>54825794
xenos dice when?

>>54825743
Whale is stripped and I've started trimming some of the inconvenient parts off her, but otherwise not much. Got sidetracked with a Knight, but when I get paid on the 23rd I'll order up the worbla and Stormraven parts I need to lay down the primary modifications. It's a bit small for the original Stormbird Idea, but about right for a Marauder variant.

Do I go for four engines with a pair each side, or three with one each sid and one either above or below Thunderhawk style,do you think?

>>54825376
Because Lion has great people skills too right?

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>>54825708
I finished my Vanguard last night. I've got my Intercessors, sergeants, lieutenants, captains and ancients finished and I need to do five more Hellblasters to make a Plasma Spearhead. I have five more intercessors to put together, but I hate those models.

>>54825725
Reward them with more primaris marine models.

>>54825822
>Magnus
>Loyal

>>54825832
Inceptors*
I hate the name too.

>>54825837
He dindu nuffin

>>54825204
Why it is my peanus weenus of course.

>>54824950
nice

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>>54825809
A squad of three killed a watch master in 1 battle round for me about a week ago, a squad of 4 with two of each shield can be dirty if they get stuck in, I'm currently working on my second box, lots of great bits and conversions possible, like I'm building a guy with his shield strapped to his back and brass knuckles in his free hand

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>>54825708
Night Lords anon here.

Going to spray down this bad boy tonight. I bought the rhino on ebay awhile ago, which was pre painted and had the turrets glued on with no bolter. A little spiky love later, and my Night Lords have a new rhino. I couldn't think of another way to put both 2 combi weapons and the Havok launcher on a rhino, so I just decided to have a dude hang out the top with a gun. Seems fitting for chaos. I like how it turned out.

>>54825755
Is 40k's version of /gif/ just filled with OGRYN'D threads?

>>54824861
I think you mean $60

>Lion Is the next primarch to be released
>Turns out he has Always been alive and well inside the rock
>The meme of the shady half traitor dark angels comes full circle: Lion got tainted by Chaos during the heresy like Horus himself and turned traitor, but the legion staid loyal to the emperor and caged their own primarch in the hope they could Fix him
>A month later either Corax, Vulkan or Ferrus comes back (revealed he Is a perpetual)
Remember my words Brothers for they will become true

>>54825151
Chimeras have two uses for me. 4 Bullgryn and 2 heavy flamers. That way the Chimera burns things, eats the overwatch and prevents the Bullgryn from being overwatched. The other is Veterans with an officer and maybe psyker or commissar. When you hop out it's a shit load of fire power. You can even follow up with an assault if your officer and or commissar has a melee weapon.

>>54825871
I hope you're not THAT night lord anon

>>54825516
I said Sangy is the best, but Lion is the most based.

>>54825204
Sanguinius
He was too good for this Galaxy.

>>54825868
Yeah they hit like trucks. I also plan to run 4 in a Valkyrie for turn 1 charges.

>>54825821
Your core list isnt bad, if youre going EC. Just turn the Havocs into Noise Marines or give them Las/autocannons. Then turn your Tactical marines into Either Cultists or Bikes and it seems like a decent list. But keep in mind that you arent a full-Dakka Army and your dont get the Dakkaiest of Codexes. So depending on your Opponent dont be too afraid walking forward or even running with your Noise marines

>>54825219
If you gotta keep telling everyone you're the best you're probably not. Also, difference through repetition - all things both better and worse are the result of imperfections.

>>54825895
>Lion is the most based.

He was so unbased half his Legion turned against him.

>>54825892

Which nigh lord anon? I'm the one with armless termies and the chainglaive sorcerer.

>>54825921
>non-Terrans
They weren't Dark Angels

>>54825627
>I don't play with unpainted minis
A man among men

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>>54825768
I think so yeah. In fairness Curze was pretty ball leading a one man terror campaign on the Ultramarine's home world with three primarchs and large chunks of their legions about.
Still got captured by best primarch though

>>54825765
I get a stiffy at the thought of what they could do to a sector now

>>54825917
>If you gotta keep telling everyone you're the best you're probably not.

Ultramarines let their actions peak for them.
1. Most conquered
2. Fewest casualties
3. Fastest capture rate

Other Legions couldn't have even been trying.

>>54825204

Not this tool, and I actually play EC

>>54824828
Is more getting more infantry an option? I would get more conscripts. A lot more. You can turn any las veterans into conscripts too. If you can take 4x30 you will practically auto win every game.

>>54825941
>2. Fewest casualties
Becasue they were cowards, yeah.

Do we know what Codices will follow after CSM and GK?

>>54824770
I plan on running a 500pt list of 46 Conscripts x2, Company Commander, Commissar, Leman Russ w/Battle Cannon. 184 delicious FRFSRF shots and the Russ for heavy support. Am i a bad person?

>>54825956
Nope, just the most smart and skilled.

>>54825260
I...I have not.

I'm over here fighting on green fields life a douchebag.

But to be fair, amphibious doesn't mean the tank can float.

>>54825921
The half that never knew him were turned against him by a bunch of salty assholes

>Astelan shot first

>>54825965
Regular battle tank is pretty bad, want to be real mean get a punisher or demolisher with 3 flamers.

>>54825562
I have
>Space Marines
>Primaris Marines
>Death Guard
>Nurgle Demons
>Tau
>Tyranids
>Skitarii
>Talons of the EMPRAH
>Imperial Guard
>Genestealer cultists

and from AoS:
>Stormcast Failternals
>Chaostards
>Kharadron Overlords
>Ironjawz

>>54825960
Death Guard is september. October we aren't sure about but i think its implied in chapter approved preview article orks/eldar will be january.

>>54825880
So when you are dead wrong about the Lion, will you cut off your own balls?

>>54825753

>has nothing to do with Imperium vs Chaos
>Expecting it to be talked about in current fluff

Can't wait for it to be revealed that the voices Ghazghkull has been hearing are really the Chaos gods.

>>54825921
No they rebelled because he was soooo based that he didn't think to check in on Luther and you know, netflix and chill

>>54825891

>using your elites slots on bs4 guardsmen

I wish this was good (it's what I used to play), but it's not. There are too many other things you need those elite slots for, and scions do everything vets do but better. Vets don't even have much of a cost advantage since scions don't need a vehicle to get exactly where they need to be.

Bullgryns...ok, maybe. I've never used them so I can't make a good judgment call on that one, but you can't charge and disembark in the same turn. That means you are going to eat a round of shooting before you charge, and if you are too close you will eat shooting, and then be charged instead.

>>54825941
Best generalists maybe. Other legions like the Iron Hands and Iron Warriors got called in when their expertise was needed.

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>>54825997
no bully puhreasu

>>54825878
>40k /gif/
>OGRYN'D
>slaanesh thread
>gifs that make you want to worship chaos
>xenos rekt thread
>why is there so much slaanesh shit on this board thread
>good imperial thread none of that chaos shit
>traps thread

>>54825880
>>54825985
He's not, though. This is the most plausible Lion theory I've read to date. Don't know about the other primarchs mentioned though.

>>54826021
>>good imperial thread none of that chaos shit
kek

>>54825716
Western Pennsylvania, USA. Plz no raparino

>>54825678
their models are garbage

>>54826043

uhg, I literally just moved from Pitt to Philly.

>>54826017
man hands

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>>54825730

Reading 'Fulgrim' really turned me off EC lore desu,

More pathetic than anything ,

>>54826052
What's the best store in Pitt?

>Noise champion can take a sonic blaster instead of a bolter
>can also take a doom siren
>can trade his bolt pistol for a combi weapon
>GW doesn't make any plastic combi weapons, nor put them in any of the chaos kits

What did they mean by this? If its not in the kit why does it have rules? Since they don't make the model can I use 3rd party and no one can be mad because they don't make it? If you want to argue that FW counts here then why doesn't it count for options cut from the codexes? Why did GW take away options like apothecaries on bikes because they don't make them and don't want to allow/account for people converting but then released a WD article about converting a Dread knight so it has a grand master in it?

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>>54826021
>still a normal trap thread

>>54825970

It does in 40k. All water counts as cleeeeeear. Chimeras double as AM naval skiffs, and the guys inside could even shoot out the top hatch while they swam. Toot toot I'm a boat.

So, I'm looking into T'au. What's the best way to start them for cheap so I can make sure that I like them?

>>54826008
You can charge after disembarking. You just have to have the transport be stationary first. You drive up, advance, smoke, then next turn you hop out 3 inches then move 6 then move the Chimera which flames the squad then you charge with the Chimera to eat OW then you charge with the Bullgryn. They are not just okay they are really good.

Vets are BS3+ and they can have lots of weapons. They work well when you already have other units driving up like Bullgryn. All the shooting works even better in combination with Scions. Elite slots are easy to come by what are you talking about?

>>54826037
It's really not though. Lion was the first primarch chaos tried to sway, you know Caliban was a daemon ridden death world yeah? But turns out his autism is a hard counter to the whisperings of dark gods. Dude's an asshole with ambition to be No. 1 in daddy's eyes to be sure, but he's no traitor

>>54826079
As for most armies
Start Collecting is literally the 1st step

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>>54826053
>not wanting a strong pair of calloused hands to manhandle you

holy fuck, gay

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>>54826066

Legions Hobby and Games. It's a bit of a drive north, but worth it. Pic related, it's their store.

>>54826099
>callouses
>flesh

holy fuck, EXTRA gay

>>54826071
There are combi bolter bits the sterguar, t.ac marine and mk3/4 marines kits.

But even so using 3rd party bits is still fine.

>>54826080

If you have to drive up and park for a turn to charge, you are giving the guy a turn to either backpedal or advance and envelop the transport, preventing moving or disembarking.

>>54826071
>>GW doesn't make any plastic combi weapons
wew, retard alert

>>54824828
Maybe buy some heavy weapons teams. They can be set in the back for fire support or placed into infantry and veteran squads to increase their survival chance. It also has the benefit of allowing you to make more infantry squads.

But other than that your options are more dudes or more tanks or a little of both.

I will say adding the start collecting scion box is great. I like having a dakkaprime(Gatling gun) full of scions with 4 volleyguns as a anti horde dakka storm. This is likely the best single purchase you can make.

>>54826106
Oh. Dope. That's where I was gonna check out. No doxxarino plz.

>>54826106
Oh hey, two soul grinders. Maybe that one guy will be happy now.

>>54826086
The SC is good? What else should I pick up? The LGS only plays 1000pt games.

>>54825448
>blaming GW when it was the makers fault for going patreon

I bet nu GW would've allowed it, but UK law would mean if GW doesn't shut them down they would lose the rights to 40k since it's supposed to be their proprietary IP. As soon as they allow others to make money off their rules and IP, they'll lose the rights and everyone can do it due to future people pointing at this example as precedence.

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>>54825880
>turns out
that's been lore since 2nd ed, hardly a revelation
>tainted
in his sleep maybe, he's established as being loyal right up to the return to Caliban but chaos can't stand to be around the watchers
>caged
Angels don't know he's there, even Azreal who's the only guy who knows Luther's alive and natter's with him from time to time doesn't know

What's a fluffy chapter for a first company / terminator and dreadnoughts spam army? Either well known or obscure. NO HOMOS.
Would astral knights make sense or would the remaning guys still be wearing power amor except some?

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Anyone else that GW is getting sudden?

>>54826161
wat

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>>54826131

The game did not end well for them. Vulture got behind and gatling'd their rear armors.

[992] - Points of Khorites

Kharn the Betrayer

Hellbrute
Power Scourge
Hellbrute Fist

10 Bezerkers
10 Chainaxe
9 Chainsword
1 Powersword [Leader]
1 Icon of Wrath

10 Bezerkers
10 Chainaxe
9 Chainsword
1 Powersword [Leader]
1 Icon on Wrath

5 Warp Talons
Double Lighting Claws

5 Warp Talons
Double Lighting Claws

Local club has shared miniatures so I gotten into the hobby playing with them. This is the first list I wanna make that is my own. Is it deacent? All I want from it is to be annoying and roll for bzilion attacks while engaged in GLORIOUS MELEE COMBAT. Thinking of painting them pink, sadly no one there goes on /tg/ an would not get the meme.

>>54826169
Rear armor?
What year is this?

>>54826161
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>54826181
2016. Read the date. I never said it was taken today, fucking faggot. Don't come to the store.

>>54826181

The game in these pics was...almost 1 year ago, I think. Summer term between classes.

>>54826120
If you put yourself close enough to be surrounded then that's poor positioning on your part or poor understanding of how far the enemy's models can move. If they retreat you punish them with artillery and Scions and keep driving until you have a better opportunity.

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>>54826182
>>54826161

>>54826071
You cant do that anon. he trades his Bolter AND pistol for a Combi-Weapon (which are on the generic (Chaos) Marine Sprue btw)

Imagine the Dakka Incarnate A noise Champion with A Doom Siren a Sonic blaster and a Combi-Bolter would be.

Thats what Chaos Bikers are there for tho, They can take Special Weapons without losing their Bikes RapidFire2 Shots

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>>54826169
nice

>>54824770
Had the OP's pic happen to my WoD group. UT killed off a player's character because they said he was some number of points over what he should be. They didn't bother to tell us how many points over though or what he should be at. We're considering going troupe over it because we're not the first group to have issues like this with them.

Preorders up on NZ site. inceptors and conversion kit

>>54826120
Parking 12 inches away is pretty much a guaranteed charge but to far for them to feasibly surround the chimera in one turn.

If uou footslog they have just as much opportunity to run away so its no difference there. The tank is faster though so its better for chasing things down.

>>54826194
I'm not the guy you were talking to. Sorry just lurking between tabs.

>>54826133

Proxy a few things, if you're starting off it is a better idea. Take things for a whirl before buying.
Proxy maybe pathfinders and some vehicle.

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Any mega-corporations in the fluff like pic related? Or did the Adeptus Mechanicus absorb them all?

>>54826180
Are you planning on footslogging berzerks? I'd go for a rhino or something. And Kharn is way too expensive for a 1000 point game, just get an apostle. And maybe a Champion.

>>54826247
>capitalism is the only possible system
Fucking burgers

Any current rumors on dark mech? I have a admech battleforce lying around and I'd like to convert it for my DG if possible.

>>54826258
You wot m8?

>>54826258
I'm sorry if reality is hurting you.
But it's going to hurt a lot more in a few years.

So, shooty slaaneshi, yay or ney? 5 terminators with plasmas and a lord can pour an ungodly amount of firepower. And then you throw in their stratagem to do it again.
Double Blastmaster helbrutes look cool too, maybe with a missile launcher.

>>54826218

Maybe, let's theorycraft that.

12" away means that the guy can backpedal 6", making it 18" away. You disembark 3, move 6, leaving 9" for the charge. Average is 7, so hardly guaranteed but certainly possible.

6" away and they move up to 1" away from vehicle, advance, and potentially envelop (transports are usually about 5" long, so it's a stretch).

The sweet spot seems to be 9". 9" means they can't envelop you at all, and can only retreat to 15" away, a 6" charge.

>>54826247
Not something that's really discussed, being a war game and all that. Rogue traders I guess are kind of that in a mercantile capitalism sense rather than joint-stock capitalism. You're probably better off checking in with 40krpg as it deals more with civilian life

>>54826247
even if they existed during the age of strife which was basically the age of MadMax. The Emperor probably wouldve gotten rid of them or made them serve him

New to 40k, how does the rule "Jet Pack" work? Is it just the FLY key-word? Does this mean Crisis Suits can no longer shoot and jump back?

>>54826258
Communism is a huge failure idiot.

>>54826247

Not much room for them in a massive totalitarian hyper-theocracy regime. Especially one that is essentially feudal

>>54826247
Corporations exist, but they're not modern capitalist things. More medieval merchant families, etc.

>>54826232
What's a good way to proxy?

>>54826290
>>54826271
>communism is the only alternative
What a bunch of illiterate retards

>>54826247
>Any mega-corporations in the fluff like pic related?
You're looking for 2nd Ed. Warzone. Not 40K.

>>54826247
Rogue Traders and any trading corporation that grows big enough to do interplanetary trading. Mega-Corporations are a thing in 40k.

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>>54826290

>b-b-b-but REAAAAL communism has never been tried!!!!

>>54826290
and yet democratic socialism seems to be pretty comfy, who knew?

>>54826301

Depends, I'm assuming you'll buy things and not be an asshole and do proxy trials for 4 months. Use whatever and make sure you keep good track of it represents

When are we getting upgrade packs for other chapters? Not that I'm a fan of the pricing scheme if I also consider buying them but whatever.. They seem to be mandatory for iron hands otherwise we'd get no bionics

>>54826325

>venezuela.jpg

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Did the moron who sued GeeDubs get BTFO yet?

>>54826314
>2nd Ed. Warzone
HNNNNNG LURT LURT

>>54826326
I could use my DEldar to proxy for corresponding unit classes.
Also, the LGS owner has a Tau army for sale - he quit playing in 8e.

>>54826336
>venezuela
>democratic

Chavez pls leave.

>>54826331
>GW releases Ultramarine upgrade pack even though every kit is full of Ultramarine bits and transfers.

We're not getting any new upgrade packs. GW is only concerned about the Smurfs.

>>54826324
Yeah it has, worked pretty well in the Spanish republic and in the Ukrainian Free Territory. Sadly not very good at competing with authoritarian vested interests

>>54826278
9-12 has always been about what I've aimed for and works most of the time. When you overwhelm them with targets something usually works. Even if they die horribly they still take a lot of fire first.

>>54826148
And the E didn't tell Bob about Lion being lazy? Shame.

>>54826282
>>54826283
I just thought that it would be interesting if an Imperial Guard regiment was in service to a mega-corporation, and said company is in a Cold War situation with the AdMech. Narrative potential with a conflict between Imperium arms/tech suppliers.

>>54826362
>can't ensure it's own survival against other competing systems
>working

>>54826358

They literally elected socialists democratically

>>54826345
Oh, if you've already stuff then you aren't much of a noob. Buy some pathfinders and stealthsuits, usually good and not that pricey. Proxy for the more expensive stuff before buying it if you want to give it a try first. Like Ghostkeels and Stormsurges

>>54826325
This, really. Communism probably won't work without Culture-style megatech and has a really weird chain of societies supposedly leading up to it, pure socialism would be very difficult if not impossible to balance, but left side of democratic socialism seems to be working pretty well. Although honestly there seem to be a lot of things like nuclear power and genetics research that we need to do more of but the left seems to disagree with, so it's kinda hard to slap down a marker at one point on the scale and say "This is where we need to be".

>>54825377
I was really hoping they'd release Primaris bikers. I don't want to use the old bikers in my Death Guard.

>>54826387
The main reason I like Tau are the mech designs. Could a mech-centered army work well?

Predictions for Blood Angels chapter tactics?

>>54826386
and now theyll never be able to un-elect it
very democratic yes?

>>54826379
>Be an Army
>Flip the bird to the only people capable of doing maintenance on fucking anything from Pistol to Super-heavy Tank

>>54826247
Nothing on a galactic scale. I think a lot of that is the Imperial control of Astrop as that and Navigators necessary for interstellar travel. There very well could be mega-corporations on the planetary scale however. I could also see a Planetary Governor being a "chairman" of a "board of directors" or some such. As long as you're loyal and pay the tithe the Ilperial doesn't care much what your political or social system is.

>>54826409

You can suit spam, but it isn't the most viable. So if you can handle not winning then go for it, the models are cool. Might want to wait for the codex first in that case, might offer some suit spam options

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>>54825767

Played a cheeky game against my mate. He was using demons, I was using my Iron Warriors as counts as Iron Hands.

Armies were roughly

Iron Hands
Terminator Captain with chainfist and combi plasma
Techmarine with Conversion beamer.

3 ten man marine squads one with flamer lascannon, one with plasma, plasma cannon and one with plasma , lascannon , all captains had fists. They split into combat squads.

2 dreads 1 with lascannon and heavy flamers one with ass cannon and heavy flamer.

5 thunder hammer storm shield terminators

Predator with heavy bolters and Autocannon

Land Raider with multi melta

Vindicator with demolisher cannon.


Daemons

Great Unclean One
1 bloodthirster of insensate rage

4 or so nurgle spawn

Ten plaguebearers
20 bloodletters
10 or so flesh hounds

1 plague hulk
1 skull cannon
1 soul grinder


Mission was the scouring. I had hold of the weakest 1 point objective but also the strongest 4 point objective.

Daemons got first turn advanced quick but only managed to kill a few marines with their shooting.

Firing back I was ineffectual against the bloodthirster who made a lot of his daemonic resilient saves but when I focussed on the great unclean instead I killed it and got warlord and first blood. Mostly this was down to the vindicator which is great at killing single target models now.

His turn, more shooting from his backline. I think my dreadnought dies to this combined fire. The flesh hounds charge and kill a 5 man combat squad. The bloodthirster charges the land raider but bounces off of it pretty luckily for me. The bloodletters charge another combat squad and take them out. The spawn charge the last frontline combat squad but just get locked in combat.

My turn. I retreat my.land raider from his bloodthirster And charge it with my assault terminators who kill it.

His turn. The bloodletters charge my predator and vindicator in an effort to take them out. They're pretty thinned out by this point and fail.

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>>54825565
Ugh, manspreading.

>>54826441
Sounds good to me. I'll just focus on rounding out my DEldar for now.

>>54824925
No fetish, only desire for action.

>>54826413
I can't tell if this is supposed to be defending socialism or not

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>>54825871
We midnight clad, boys!

>>54826413

it's almost like socialism and democracy don't work well together or something

>>54826440
>Astrop as that
Astropaths

T. Phoneposter

>>54826106
Holy no mans land, batman.

>>54826415
Happened before in the fluff, like the Deathwatch invading a Forgeworld multiple times... forgot the name though.

>>54826466
Can't wait to see it painted, good luck anon!

>>54826386
>riots
>failed military coups
>approval of government down the drain (10-15%)
>Sham election to give absolute power to government approved legislative body

No, the election was a fraud and thats not even counting the detainment of several opposition members and banning them from running for public office. Venezuela ceased to be a democracy long ago, it pretends to be one but Chavistas are nothing less than dictators and criminals that run the country via propaganda and brute force.

>>54826037
All the shit published in the HH has shown him to be loyal.
The recent Leman Russ book flashback showed how remorseful the Lion was after the Emperors living death.
I severely doubt he is suddenly "LOL TRAITOR NOW LEL"

>>54826402
It's wrong to brand all opposition to both nuclear power and genetics research on the left. The left oppose those things because of retarded environmentalist trash, but you also see opposition from the right "I'm frightened of technology, let's just use coal" and "Muh playing god!".

How does Rites of Banishment work on Daemons?

Do you always do 3 damage or do you need 11+ to get the 3?

>>54825880
I'd like something like that to be true. I don't like the whole "lion is pure and loyal" meme. If he was tainted but secluded himself to try and pray away the gay and has now returned after deciding he finally got rid of the nasty chaos stink that would be neato.

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>>54826448

My memory goes a bit hazy.

The bloodletters die due to a combined charge from the remaining dread, my captain and the remaining ass terminators .

The spawn have died due to a mixture of combined lascannon /plasma fire and power fists / bolters etc

The bloodletters get finished off by retreating from them and various bolter and predator fire.

Once the things assaulting me are clear I focus on the plague hulk and kill it.

My commander survives a bunch of mass fire on 1 wound thanks to getting double 6+ fnp due to his warlord trait and his chapter tactics.

At this point he just has his plaguebearers on his objectives and his various Daemon engines firing at me still but is unable to take any of my ground. So he calls it.

In the end I held two of my objectives and had warlord and first blood, he had two objectives and nothing else so I won 7-4.

>>54826526
Always 3.

Steel Legion army tips? Thinking of doing them after I'm done with AdMech

>>54826379
look into 40krpg for sure. Do bear in mind though that the Ad-mech isn't just one monolithic organisation, there are multiple forgeworlds with their own ideas on how shit should be done and hiveworlds for sure have their own manufacturoriums, presumably with their own techpriests. Now obviously they're loyal to the Ad-mech but that doesn't mean they don't want to advance their hive's agendas too, also remember that techpriests don't like to share so they're in constant conflict with their peers trying to keep their secrets secret. Add to this the notion of working with rogue traders and the hunt for STCs and while you might not have a mega corp per se you could end up with grimdark equivalent

>>54826379
>IG
>In service to anything but the Emperor

How do you efficiently execute an entire regiment?

>>54826459
Sure

>>54826324
This has nothing to do with 40k, but what is that pic of? Just some nerd losing his shit?

>>54826579
>How do you efficiently execute an entire regiment?
Send them to Vraks.

>>54826609
Election night or the day after. Can't remember which.

>>54826609
Some tard losing their mind at Trumps inauguration. No shit dropping to their knees screaming "noooo!" Shit was so cash

>>54826379

>>54826579

IG are IMPERIAL, but there's nothing stopping a particularly militant world from selling the services of its military to other imperial worlds after their tithe is paid. Emps doesn't care what you do as long as you pay taxes and don't subvert the Imperium.

Just watched the Winters 4000 point battle report between his Grey Knights+Ultramarines vs Word Bearers.

Game was very fun to watch. Word Bearers guy kept things very fluffly, not taking any marks and not casting any spells on his Bloodletters even though it might have been good.

A few mistakes were made in favour of Word Bearers though, don't think a single smite from Grey Knights took into account the Daemons he faced. Word Bearers used the +S and +A spell to power up a unit rather than model once too.

Word Bearers guy had a 'Hell Blade' or some FW shit flyer who literally hit once the entire game and failed to wound. Didn't even get shot at once, it was useless.

Close win for the Space Marines, though they did get lucky with their objectives.

>>54826479
yeah Scandies, you hear that? Game's over give it up now

>>54826247
The imperium is facist so the economy is state controlled on the galactic scale, on a planet basis it's whatever as long as they pay their tithes, so I'm sure a planet or even system could have a massive megacorp, but it would never be large or influential enough to challenge imperial law

>>54826264
Convert it anyways and fluff it out. If you told me you were running a dark mech/death guard/XYZLegion army and your models reflected it and you fluffed it out, I'd relish the game. And I wouldn't mind if you applied some Chaos-wide rules, akin to Imperium-wide rules.

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>>54826643

That's a shame about the Hell Blade. It must have been bad rolls, because they're solid. It's 110 base and 20 for each Helcannon

>>54826652
>The imperium is facist so the economy is state controlled on the galactic scale, on a planet basis it's whatever as long as they pay their tithes
Those are quite contradictory anon...

Also the Imperium is feudal, not facist.