>only stats are STR, INT and AGI

>>54823311
It's a good start, but get rid of those too and we'll be talking.

>>54823311
she looked so pure in the thumbnail

>>54823311
>dem left arm scars

cutting, or just pigeon-scratches? you decide!

>>54823311
But how will I effectively roleplay my idealized virginal slut without a mechanical representation of her breasts and buttocks

>>54823311

That's an awful idea

>>54823311
>three classes
>only difference is which stat they use to do damage

>>54823311
>Int as a stat
You're solving the wrong problem. Everyone knows mental stats are the real problem with RPGs. Just replace them with skills and be done with it.

>>54823403
As a large bird owner they are pigeon marks. If you look closely you can see they aren't proper cuts but are in fact imprints from spikey little feet.

>>54823311
At that level of complexity games are often in the uncanny valley. Give me Freeform or give me something substantial.

>>54823833
But some people can be smarter than others

>>54823403
I'm sure that razor tattoo refers to pigeon scratches.

>>54823311
Remove INT, mental stats are a bad idea. Roll STR and AGI into one. Done.

>>54823966
No they can't! Intellectual differences are RACIST! You can't have different people with different inherited intellectual abilities! People can only inherit things that don't deal with the brain.

>>54823970
Maybe she likes to shave pigeons.

>>54823992
kek

>>54823311
If it's good enough for Monte Cuck it's good enough for most faggots like you

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>>54824197

>>54823976
How would you represent the capacity of a wizard to memorize spells then? By having the player memorize actual magical words?

Or how would you represent the character's willpower without WIS?

Or his faith without CHA?

We roll for mental stats for the exact same reasons we roll for physical stats.

We roll for stats because the characters should not be limited by our capacities.
If you want to remove mental stats, might as well remove physical stats and have the players lift weights, run laps, and do plank exercises for STR, DEX and CON checks instead.

>>54823311
>His stat is dexterity

>>54824275
You represent them by the mechanical effects underpinning them.

You don't need an int score that affects a bunch of attributes, you just need those attributes.

Not that guy, but I'm personally in favour of getting rid of ability scores in general, because they're a pointless obfuscation of the mechanical effects they govern.

>>54824275
I think that would improve the hobby

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>>54824224

>>54823311
my shitty homebrew has body mind soul fuck you

>>54823311
That's basically the Cypher System.

>>54824357
Depending on how it actually works in application I like this anon

>>54824357
Go home Tri-Stat.

>>54824315
>fa/tg/uys become fi/tg/uys
>health issues and depression disappears
>player's quality of life greatly improves
>hobby goes to shit anyways because women will start joining in droves

>>54824275
Not all class features need to have a direct relationship with an ability score, but I've always thought that a "magic" ability score would make a lot more sense than having intelligence or another mental stat effecting magic the way it does in a lot of ways. The only problem I ever had with int (and to a lesser extent the other mental scores) as a stat is how it doesn't really seem like there's a correct way to play superhuman intelligence

>>54824422
No girls allowed can still be a thing

>>54824422
>fa/tg/uys become fi/tg/uys
>health issues and depression disappears
>player's quality of life greatly improves
>they stop being a bunch of basement-dwelling recluses and actually get a life
FTFY

>>54824422
clearly you've never browsed /fit/

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>>54824275
>CHA
>faith

>>54824357
That's not homebrew, that's fucking Jade Empire.

>>54824422
>>54824499
You're not thinking this through. They'd also have to improve their mental faculties as well. Engaging in constant logic games, reading as widely as possible, and intentionally challenging themselves in new social situations. The weak would naturally give up, and go back to other, lesser RPGs that still used dice, but those that succeeded... we'd see a new golden age as these great gods among men became the fully realized Ubermensch of Nietzsche.

>>54824539
that's your brain on D&D

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>>54823403

Why are roasties almost harming themselves?

>>54824636
But it isn't though.

>>54824587
And what would these new demigods do?
Attempt to flirt with the fictional barmaid.

>>54824681
Well really, what concerns have they for us mere mortals? There's fictional poon to be had.

>>54823311
You mean Muscle, Mysticality and Moxie?

>>54824658
Why are "men" always sitting around getting fat and worthless while browsing an anime imageboard instead of lifting weights, fixing mechanical objects, and skinning deer?

>>54824760
Hey man, you take that back. I started out worthless.

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>>54823403
At least she is no longer wearing that nose ring.

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>>54824499
>>54824681
>>54824760
>Being this mad about RPGs
>But still browsing the RPG board on an anime website.
>Not sure if bait or genuine autism.

>>54824853
>Implying it can't be both

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>>54824829

>>54823833

> Everyone knows mental stats are the real problem with RPGs.

I don't think mental stats are the problem, it's more that they have been handled poorly. How a person thinks is very hard to quantify but I do feel that a lot of systems give too much power to the mental stat as opposed to its direct application.

I think a better solution is to just give a lot more power to Skills/Talents/Feats.

>>54823966

No, they really can't. Intelligence is a very weird thing to quantify and even the word "smart" has a lot of subjectivity to it.

A more "accurate" system would give people a lot of skills and let them roll with that.

>>54824275
>If you want to remove mental stats, might as well remove physical stats and have the players lift weights, run laps, and do plank exercises for STR, DEX and CON checks instead.
Not this shitty meme again.

>>54824681
Nay, they would Successfully flirt with fictional barmaids.

>>54824224
>projection

>>54824853
I'm not mad at all. I just find it amusing

>>54823311
>Only stats are Body, Mind, and Speed
FTFY

>Attributes
>Not using a skill - based system or even something like OVA's dice system
Faaaags.

>>54825522
le redditeur becomes frustrated that xir gambit has failed

My game has four stats:

>Force
>Guile
>Presence
>Insight

Looking for a better name for the first one, but they do about what you'd expect.

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>>54823311
>only stats are STR, INT and AGI

Lets call them Might, Int, and Speed instead.

>>54824760
>implying i dont do all of those things
shiggy

>>54824760
Because strength has no major benefits in modern society, mechanical objects have gotten so complex you need specialized degrees to fix a single category, and hunting and dressing deer is just as useless a skill.

>>54823311
I've seen three stat systems work, though often it works if they're more broad. The three stat system I've been working on uses
>Power
>Finesse
>Spirit

>>54826847
I've never seen someone be so wrong

>>54823311
I can see four stats working maybe. A body/mind split and a hard/soft split that gives you strength (body+hard), agility (body+soft), intelligence (mind+hard), and will (mind+soft).

>>54823382
Who is she? >>54823311

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>>54823311
>Bruises on the knees

>>54827088
Russian /soc/ialite? IDK

>>54823311
I'd play a DotA rpg

>>54826847
I participate (Because it's millions of man-hours to build one) in building one of the most complicated pieces of machinery ever made, nuclear submarines. With a single process (GMAW welding), I'm qualified to build and repair the vast majority of components on the boat, and the sheer amount of times I need to lift my own body weight+gear just to reach a job site deep in a module means that strength is really important.

>>54827356
Right, and you have to be in fairly extreme military job just for any of that to come into play.

Your average retail/desk drone is far removed from your lifestyle, and far, far more numerous. They are the average, you are the exception.

>>54825005
>>54824829
>>54823311
She looks like a villain

Also, STR, AGI, and LORE

>>54827557
janitor here. I lift heavy boxes and still gotta be strong for stuff. I also gotta chase off prostitutes, crazy people and religious freaks.

lifting weights makes you more efficient at literally everything you do

>>54824760
>responding to a strawman with a strawman

>>54825177
A skill list ignores skill overlap. A person good at the "battleaxes" skill would naturally become stronger, right? So naturally some of that strength would translate over to, say, "brawling" or "climbing".

Apply the same logic to mental skills: a person knowledgeable about "history" would probably have picked up a thing or two about "science" or "mathematics".

Change the name of the stat "Intelligence" to "Knowledge" and the whole thing makes a lot more sense. You can gain knowledge over time via practice, you can't become more intelligent.

>>54825005
Now can I get one with just the pigeons?

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>>54828763
>you can't become more intelligent

>>54829106
This isn't really a great example of that.

>>54829279
Even though the picture is completely fucking boring, it is a great example of that.

>>54823916
Based on the razor blade tattoo next to them, I respectfully disagree.

>>54825177
Int is just raw processing power / analytic ability. Don't be a cunt, that is quantifiable.

>>54823311
I'm surprised no one is talking about how much of a QT she is.

>>54829402
Dude, she's covered in sky rats. That's just tub-girl levels of fucking nasty.

>>54826205
Aggro?

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Does Str matter all that much with a sword? It seems like Dex is more fundamental. I think it should be archery the one more Str intensive.

>>54827963
Oh Leda, you slut.

>>54823311
Melee, Ranged, Magical combat, all covered.
Quick, casual, simple.

>>54823311
I want to protect here but it's probably a bad idea?

>>54829383
Analytic ability is certainly quantifiable, provided you first decide what you intend to analyze. A professional surgeon can analyze the fuck out of a body, but tell that fuck to find the flaw in the code for your freemium game and he's not any better than average joe.

>>54831466
The birds protect her.

>>54823311
>>54824829
>>54825005

>Tfw no Pidgeon Queen gf

>>54826241
No, no. Might, Int, and Speed in Numenera are what most systems would call HP, MP, and Stamina.

Your Edges are what other systems would call attributes.

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>>54823311
Am I the only one curious about this?

>>54823311
Mind, Body, and Spirit are effectively all you need.

who is this semen demon

>>54827557
software engineer here

I don't have to lift anything but being so weak sucks. I get tired just walking around for a while.

>>54830447
classic lit reference!

STR and AGI are the same thing - if you lift weights you will run faster. Combine them into BODY.

>>54830160
Archery is Con.

>>54830160
ttrpg strength doesn't accurately model real strength.

Strength should play a factor in getting tired during fights. You might be super nimble and good with your hands but if you have noodle arms you won't be able to attack quickly or precisely, especially as your arms get tired.

Swords are not that heavy (a one handed sword might be 2 to 3 pounds) but if you hold it at arms length it still gets really tiring. Try it out by finding something that weights a few pounds (like a filled water bottle or something) and just hold it out at arms length for a few minutes.

>>54824734
I like.
I steal.

>>54824734
only if you don't have any torso-awaringness

>>54823311
>only stats are STR, INT and AGI
Absolute shit.

The best system is Might, Grace, Wits and Spirit, where:
>Might = Strength/Constitution
>Grace = Agility/Dexterity
>Wits = Perception/Reaction
>Spirit = Charisma/Willpower

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>>54833592
sure, for certain kind of archer at least

Body, Heart and Wits, all you need, if there must be something.

>>54827094
>self-harm scars on forearm
>tattoo of a razor blade
Also if she doesn't carry half a dozen nasty disease from her other depraved acts she carries them from company of the winged vermin. The only condom strong enough to make getting it on with her safe would have to be developed by NASA and tested for use at hostile planets.

>>54823976
I like WITS. It's not that having mental stats is bad; it's that they should cover shit that's outside a player's control. The player isn't going to translate the ancient language his character found, so you can roll vs. a stat for that. A GM isn't likely to have awareness tests to put the player through to see if his character notices something, so you can roll vs. a stat for that. Etc.

>>54823833
This unironically, PC smarts are equivalent to player smarts in the end. INT should be renamed EDU for education, knowledge, ability to do research, ability to crunch numbers, etc.
That way you can have learned wizard scholars who also make stupid fucking decisions (NO SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG.jpg) and illiterate barbarians who can solve the Sphinx's riddles. As it should be.

>>54825005
Looks so defeated. Same shit I used to see on everyone's face in Bucharest a few years ago, what a fucking shithole.

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>>54834917
yes but is Khabarovsk

>>54835014
Still slav, I guess.

>>54824760
Isn't that pretty much /out/, /fit/ and /m/ or /sci/?

>>54834917
Not every slav has this defeated / depressed expression by default. But those that don't are not bothered walking muddy streets with common folks anymore.

>>54831516
Thing is, there is such a thing as general intelligence, and the importance of this g-factor is well established within the field of psychometrics.

Not being able to see the flaw in computer code isn't just a matter of base intelligence or analytic ability, it's obviously also a matter of experience with code. But because general intelligence is a factor, your surgeon would probably learn coding a lot faster than your average joe, provided both started from scratch.

>>54833748
I know swords aren't very heavy, but does it not matter how hard you can hit with them? It's kind of like saying "Fists aren't heavy, so you don't need strength to throw a punch!"

>>54835018
Bucharest is in Romania, they aren't slavs, they are gypsies lol.

>>54835146
It's diminishing returns have strength in excess of what you need to stab a guy

>>54823311
that's dota

Agility- Controls your chance to hit enemies, your chance to dodge their attacks, and your maximum Fatigue. Also reduces your chance to get knocked down in combat.
Endurance- Controls your starting and maximum Health, and your maximum Fatigue. Also slows down fatigue loss while running, and while fighting.
Intelligence- Controls your maximum Mana. 15% of your Intelligence attribute is the amount of mana gained per hour of rest.
Luck- Helps everything you do in a small way.
Personality- Controls how much people like you, and the prices you get at vendors.
Speed- Controls your rate of movement when walking, running, swimming, or flying.
Strength- Controls the damage you cause with weapons, as well as how much you can carry. It also helps determine your maximum Fatigue and starting Health. Strength also factors into how your weapon durability degrades on each successful hit: Higher strength means higher weapon degradation.
Willpower- Controls your odds of success at spellcasting and your chance to resist Magicka. It also determines your maximum Fatigue.

>>54835191
Also diminishing returns to have more intelligence than it takes to stab a guy.

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>>54835150
this

>>54833420
>>54835014
Where are you finding these pictures?

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>>54842828
?

>>54823311

Add con and you're getting somewhere.

>>54843104
Yeah she's cute. Please tell me where I can find more

>>54823311
>Having intelligence as a stat
NO, if your character does stupid stuff it doesn't become not stupid due to an intelligence modifier

>>54843104
>>54835014
>>54833420
>>54825005
>>54824829
>>54823311

<3

>>54824224
Yes /pol/ is our breeding ground other redditor