Horus Heresy Genera - /hhg/

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Why do traitors do what they do?

>>54822292
So we can have a setting papa sang.

>>54822292
So we have sins for you to clense.

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>>54822292
They're jealous of loyalist hairdos.

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I'm going to run nothing but power armor marines in all of my army slots, and there's not a damn thing you can do to stop me.

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>>54822995
Good luck, I'm behind 7 phosphex batteries.

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No Black legion epub yet?

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What kind of power do the Chaos gods have over their daemon princes/champions? More specifically, after Mortarion is made to submit to Nurgle, why didn't he ever try to break free of his influence or just say fuck y'all and go off and do whatever he wanted, or even just become loyalist again? It seems like he would've remained loyal if he wasn't tortured to the point of near death and his legion wasn't about to die. But when you take into account that Archaon gets all his power from the Chaos gods and then just does whatever he wants while telling them to fuck off if they have a problem with it, or Be'lakor will also just do sneaky shit from time to time, what kind of power do the Chaos gods really have over their daemon princes/people they've "claimed"?

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>>54823923
>Lion
>Skinner

"Have I strayed so far from the Emperor's light? No, it's the Fallen who are wrong."

>>54823923
>It seems like he would've remained loyal if he wasn't tortured to the point of near death and his legion wasn't about to die
Hadn't he already joined Horus by that point?

>>54824034

I guess let me rephrase that, not necessarily loyalist to the Emperor but not traitor to the point of worshiping Chaos

>>54823923
Considering that regular daemons are just extensions of a god's own will and that ascensionhood requires the sacrifice of the champion's humanity, I figure that ascending to princedom removes most of the free agency that the mortal once had, and now serves as no more than an extension of that god's will - having no control over the orders it is given, but having agency/control in the execution of said orders.

>>54824225
He didn't ascend until later

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Last thread there was talk about massed tacs in Spartans. What about Vets in LR Phobos?

>>54824673
Only makes sense if they're geared for assault. Since the game's been shooting-oriented for a while (doesn't change too much in 8th ed. 40k), it's a little unusual to see vets kitted out that way. But yes, well-armed Veterans with Weapons Masters should get a Phobos or Dreadclaw.

Who here airbrushes?

It increasingly sounds like it'd help, and I should get one. But that means finding a spot to set up a station, making or buying an extractor, and getting a compressor. It's a bit intimidating.

How's does a Sons of Horus force with loken, 30 tactical marines, a contemptor dreadnought, and a fire raptor sound as a starter force? Anything I should look or gear up for?

>>54825498
make some of the tacs veterans

>>54825498
The Tacticals will probably need Rhinos at some point, whether they're Veterans or not. At least one squad should be vets kitted out for one particular role (e.g. combi-meltas and meltabombs, or just bolters to use with the Marksman ability).

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Kyr Vhalen stand-in with graviton hammer fresh;y converted and ready to go. Loved working on this guy.

>>54825885
Most of the model looks cool but that hammer looks severely misaligned, plus having both arms stretched out like that looks unnaturally posed.

>>54825733
I plan on running 20 man squads so I can get the most out if my special rules, I'll probably at some point get a storm eagle for them.

Anyone have the audio book for crimson king?

>>54826025
Storm Eagles suck compared to Kharybdises.

>>54826144
Those things cost a fuck ton of money for a super drop pod. I'd rather take the flyer with missiles.

>>54822259
Please dont tell me that is an actual quote by Jess.

>>54825885
Out of interest how did you do the body at his feet?

>>54826168
That's what the link says.

>>54826174
Probably clipped it off the Ahriman sprue.

>>54826229
Well at least we know why they but ADB on the job then :P . Apparantly it was the plan all along.

>>54826158
Storm Eagles can work as long as you're using the squad inside for shooting rather than melee.

The problem is the flyer reserve rules. It can take a few turns for a squad to fly in, land, deploy, and be ready to charge. If you don't need to charge then you save a turn and maybe the squad is useful on turn 3 instead of 4 or even 5.

>>54826168
The context is answering questions on how the Dark Eldar were redesigned for their 5th edition codex.

>Once they'd decided that wyches and kabalites were the troops choices, they had more room to maneouvre with what scourges/mandrakes/hellions etc actually were and did. They were quite keen to highlight that whilst haemonculus etc would look a bit like chaos stuff, it was all surgical and 'voluntary' rather than mystical. JG described Chaos as being more like 'daddy doesn't love you' whereas the DE were unrepentantly evil. They were also keen that the webway concept allowed a race that could appear anywhere, anytime (unlike Tau I guess).

In other words, the Chaos gods are paternalistic and possessive but will still hurt you.

>>54826630
Another thing 8e would fix.

>>54826630
>he uses a flying transport without a skyshield landing pad

Is Maloghurst a necessity for SoH lists? It seems to me that vets as troops is too good to pass up.

>>54826630
Yep, that's exactly what my squads main purpose will be. SOH however do well with large squads in melee so I'm not worried about them if they do, and not if they don't. I also like to do large apoc games with multiple people and I like the idea of getting the chance to fly my 20 man squads where needed

There's a single day between us and the brief burst of activity and hope that accompanies FW actually talking about things. How will you surmount this saturday? I plan to refresh five different websites feverishly in the hopes someone leaks something that makes me want to paint more.

Were there traitors from all the loyalist legions?

someone told me to read "black books" from here

...

>>54827034
He's 140 points to get out of taking 250 points' worth of Tactical Marines. (Okay, more likely 330 points once you take Rhinos with dozer blades.)

So the question is, would you take two squads in transports over a special character for +95 points each? Only if I needed more than 4 Elites slots, which I guess I could see happening.

>>54823651
comes out in another week

>>54827575
Yes. Except the Ultramarines, sure in their spiritual liege and loyal to an extent the other Legions envied, no member of the XIIIth would even think of siding with Horus' foul traitors.

>>54828133

Go home Matt.

>>54827575
Forge World says yes, but hasn't given details.

>>54827575
Allegedly, though I'd take a lot of convincing for traitorous Imperial Fists to make any goddamn sense.

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What sort of themes work well with the Word Bears? A lot of ancient Middle Eastern societies could work I guess, but an Ottoman theme could also work.

>>54829395
Mormons and Scientologists.

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>>54829735
One of those is too evil and the other has Tom Cruise.

>>54828133
>>54828757
>>54829358
Hm. How about Salamanders? Maybe their destroyers (since they were even more ostracized, replaced by Pyroclasts, and only used against the worst xenos) would go traitor?

>>54831691
the XVIII legion was very loyal , even though they got the end of the stick in the great crusade

>>54831794
I wonder if I could play with that.

Salamanders get beat the fuck up in the GC and at Istvaan. This particular group is stuck in the backfield, ordered to recruit and replenish their numbers while waiting in reserve, but their commander is a glory-seeker. They get antsy and get a questionable Magos to try and make their geneseed easier for people to take.

And it works. Of course, that motherfucker was a Heretek the whole time and uses this opportunity to make himself some Chaos-infused, mutated as fuck, Gal Vorbak lookin Salamanders (cause I kinda want an excuse to use Gal Vorbak but I hate the Word Bearers).

Is that an acceptable level of Your Dudes?

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Twenty Custodes are just about done. Time to add some final edge highlighting and then it's time to seal!

>>54825885
Doesn't Kyr have a paragon blade thought?

>>54823651
Is the new Black Legion book any good? I actually thought the first one was alright, if that's any indication of whether or not I'll enjoy this one

>>54822995
fun thought, lets see just how many marines marines can marines when they marines?

1 preator
5 command squad dudes
2 centurions
40 vets
120 tacticals/assault marines/breachers
30 seekers
30 heavy support marines
so 228 power armors as max.

>>54825885
>>54826007

Yeah, that hammer is wonky as fuck. If you're making a weapon out of bits the best thing to do is take your pin vice (you do have a pin vice, right) and drill a hole throught the middle of all the parts so that you can put a length of stiff wire or rod down the middle of it. It'll help align the pieces, and make it a lot less prone to breakage as well.

>>54828757
>>54829358
>>54831691

Just about any legion can have a few traitors justified as being part of a detachment seconded to a traitor legion (usually SoH, but others work too) who become closer to their allies than their parent legion, or as an isolated force which slips from blackshields through to full treachery over the course of the Heresy, or as Terrans who didn't get along with their primarch, or even just as marines who think Horus is right and the Emperor is a dick (whether because they were bullied by custodes, sent on a pointless suicide mission, whatever). There are plenty of opportunities, and it can be applied to wallfuckers, smurfs, sallies or bangles easily enough.

>>54832310
Looking good, fellow Custodian.
Except the guy without a helmet. He looks out of place.

>>54832310
>>54834977
>Shit, where is my helmet? Guys? Did you hide it again? C'mon, this isn't funny!

>>54833635
>what are allied detachments

>>54829358
I fluffed my army up as a tractor IF destroyer company. Everyone is loyalist in my area so it seemed right.

>>54833635
>2 centurions

Why not 3 praetors? Or 2 praetors and a delegatus? Then you can have 3 command squads instead of 1. And depending on the legion, you could have other units as command squads, giving you more bodies.


Speaking of, how do Deathsworn work as a command squad? Their entry says that a Speaker of the Dead can have them instead of a command squad. But I don't see Priests of Fenris or Speaker of the Dead having access to command squads. Is this only if the Speaker is taken as your Warlord, in which case he'd have access to a command squad?

>>54833635
Just over 4000 just for the bodies.

>>54833635
>>54836944
And make them ultras so you can have 10 marysuzerains instead of 5 chosen as your body guard.

So when is the event supposed to be starting? Haven't seen any news on it yet

>>54833635
>>54836281
>>54836944
>>54837020
>>54837189
ok here we go.

main detatchment; SoH
Preator
Preator
Preator
Justaerin command squad x12
justaerin command squad x12
Justaerin command squad x12
12x4 elite justaerin
120 troops
15 x 3 reavers
10 x 3 heavy support marines
horus (kinda?)

allied detatchment; UM / whatever has 10 man command squad equviliants
Preator
Command squad suerains
10 suerains
20 tacticals
10 seekers
10 heavy support marines.

>>54837387
shit the allied detatchment has 2 troop choices. so 40 tacs, not 20.

>>54837387
>Justaerin

I thought we were suppose to make all PA army.

>>54837426
B-but 12 are more then 10, oh well I got a bit carried away it seems.

Soh are still the spammiest, because 45 reavers is more then 30 seekers. just change all the justies for vets. (though anyone who can take 10 man command squads would be equal as long as you had 3 command squads.)

3 preators.
3 command squads
40 vets
120 troops
45 reavers
30 heavy support marines

allied detatchment UM
Preator
10 mansuerain command squad
10 vets
40 tacticals
10 seekers
10 heavy support marines.

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>no Wulfen
>no Flesh-changed
>no Raptors
>no Lupercii
>no Bile's marines (maybe Chymeriae)
>no Obliterators
Missed opportunities all along the way. Is it just me that gets tickles at the thought of semi-bestial marines?

>>54838657
Yes.

>>54838657
We'll get Lupercii when the books cover Molech. I guarantee it.

>>54838657
We have Chymeriae, Gal'vorbak and (presumably) soon some BA knuckledraggers.
That's plenty, especially considering that half of the shitheads you listed weren't even a thing until after the heresy or were never relevant in the first place.

>>54838657
>no Wulfen

Deathsworn.

>>54838657
>okay
>irrelevant
>not arround until after the heresy
>SoH Gal'Vorbak - how amazing
>exactly chymaeridae
>not arround until after the heresy
And thank fuck we don't have to fuck around with yet more W2 melee troop shittery or some crap like that.

What's a good legion if I want to run mainly vets, termies, and dreadnoughts? I prefer a relatively low model count because I like to put a lot of effort into painting.

>>54839025
He means RG raptors not Chaos raptors, the former of which were definitely around during the Heresy (though in tiny numbers)

>>54826431
Looking at the context, >>54826662
the 'Daddy' in this quote is actually Chaos.

>>54839114
>What's a good legion if I want to run mainly vets, termies, and dreadnoughts? I prefer a relatively low model count because I like to put a lot of effort into painting.
Iron Hands? really good Dreads, Gorgon Terminators are really strong and Inviolate Armour makes basic marines tougher (not to mention your Termies).

Downside, you're not allowed too many Assault Squads and Bikes.

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>>54839114
Fast answer is: any.
Better answer is:
>Sons of Horus
>Death Guard
>Imperial Fists
>Iron Hands
>Thousand Sons
in no particular order because each of them has different strengths

>>54839114
DG gives you terminators in every slot but Fast.

>>54839214
>>54839305
>>54839432
I like the Imperial Fists and Iron Hands. How are their play styles different from each other for an elite army?

>>54839497
IH are tough, IF are shooty with bolters.

>>54825885

Hammer looks too big.

The 40k ravenguard has a 10/10 hammer head

Anyone know a place that sells knockoff transfer sheets? Need the Luna wolves one.

Do you give your seeker squads any special markings?

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>>54826174
Prospero Ahriman's base.
>>54833259
Indeed. That's fluffed as a graviton hammer, faster to swing but less impactful as a result.
>>54833708
It's pinned, but the marine on the base pushed it out of alignment. By the time I'd noticed that, it was already dry - going to have to live with that fuckup, alas.
>>54839713
He's a big guy. For you.

>>54839305

That's a really, really nice pic.
Urge to play Space Wolves, rising.

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>>54841053
I have more.
Same, I'm split between the Space Wolves and Sons of Horus myself.

So, I might have completed my IW list.
Please R8, h8 or masturb8.

RoW: Hammer of Olympia
-Cataphractii Warsmith w/ PB, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Volkite Charger and the Servo-Arm.
-Cataphractii Command Squad with mixed PS, PF and CS.

-Mortis Contemptor with Havoc Launcher and double Kheres.

-x2 20 man Tactical squads, each with chainswords, bolters and Powersword-wielding artificer Sergeants.

-10-man Iron Havoc squad with half autocannons, half Lascannons in a rhino.
-x2 Medusa
-x2 Spartan Assault Tanks transporting the tacticals.

>>54839305
Pics like these make me reconsider my legion choice. Doesn't help I haven't bought anything but generic units and haven't painted them yet.

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Share your collection! Pics and numbers welcome!

We do this every so often but we get new faces in here with them, let's see what you've got!

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>>54841415
SW also have their share of heavy armour.

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>>54841450

>>54841415
7/10 needs more artillery and more bodies for the grinder

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>>54841434
Why not, I'll bite.

This is only the Custodes since they're painted and the Imperial Fists are still mostly a wall of plastic save for half a dozen painted minis. Finished twenty more Guardians/Sentinels last night and added them to the first and third shelf.

Gonna paint the Telemon Dread this weekend plus the Annihilator Caladius turrets too.

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>>54841470
I'm honestly tempted by this scheme. It looks exactly like something coming to kill you, with no chances of negotiation whatsoever.

>>54838910
>BA knuckledraggers

What?

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>>54841587

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>>54841653

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>>54841686
Some more armour.

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>>54841710

>>54823923
>>54824194
It wasn't in his interest to become a daemon prince, but he was traitor. Don't know why he now follows Nurgle's agenda, though. I know he's a slave now, but he doesn't seem to dislike it.
BL writing traitor primarchs is doing a meme job.

>>54829810
Even better.

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>>54841434
The Mechanicum escort is on order from everyone's favourite chinamen (plz no bully, Castellax are pricy dammit) but this is what I've got done on Selket so far. Legs are finished, armour trim is done and drybrushed and now it's time to do the armour itself. Was thinking base Zandri Dust, then agrax, then layer Ushabti Bone. Rest of the skeleton and the weapons are currently sitting in bits waiting for the rain to stop so I can spray them. Painting 40k Mech for Konor too.

>>54839305
No NLs? Boo

>>54841450
>>54841470
Assault rams are such an orky concept when you think about it. Imagine dying in a deliberate frontal crash because the thing simply failed to penetrate the target due to it having an invuln save.

>>54840641
You see those warsmiths from olympia? I heard they have CURVED HAMMERS.
>CURVED HAMMERS

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>>54822292

LESS THAN TWELVE HOURS
ARE YOU RESIGNED TO DISAPPOINTMENT YET

>>54841970
They should have been more like boarding torpedoes and dreadclaws that latch onto the target and drill through it. You're basically compromising the ramming ability to putting a weak point (door) on the front, yet you can't assault out of it if there is not door in the bit that penetrates.

Things like the Shark assault boat don't seem like they're designed to ram through the target, just land into hangar, near an opening or something, and release boarding parties that way.

>>54842906
titanicus when

>>54842906
NO, YOU CAN'T MAKE ME

>>54843118
Consider:
>as far as I can tell there are no seminars at open day
>therefore, any upcoming releases present must be in the form of displays or studio word of mouth
>based on how they are pushing the mysterious next reveal simple word of mouth is unlikely--display is almost inevitable
>there is exactly one game confirmed in development with finished models
Adeptus Titanicus as the reveal is the most likely outcome.

>>54843964
Awww yiss
>just spent all my money on a baneblade
Oh no.

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World Eater Chaplain. Modelled to be less of a religious type chaplain and more of a pit fighting champion that drives his fellow warriors to fight harder, but is really full of himself. Power axe best crozius. Based on the description of Delvarus from Betrayer.

>>54845923
>bloodied armor
>axes perfectly clean
>two croziuses, crozii?

>>54845947
>>axes perfectly clean
Power fields boil it away? Idk, but I hate how a lot of power weapons are done, with that gaudy blue all over. I drybrushed it on the edges instead to show that it's there, but not in-your-face, and putting on blood would erase it probably.

>Friends want me to play traitors
>Sign up for Iron Warriors
>Learn the local group is just gonna have a dude playing sisters of silence and ultramarines along with a guy playing mechanicus vs. 4 traitor legions myself included
>Now wanna try and balance out the forces by playing loyalists

Should I switch allegiances brothers? Or fuck the loyalists?

>>54847383
If you were any legion but Iron Warriors I'd say switch.

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>>54847383
Clear it with your friends first but I vote switching, for as we all know loyalty is it's own reward.

Fuck fuck fuck
https://sendit.cloud/hnxk9u79l70p

Is it?
Is it? I downloaded it and it looks legit

Are Talons of The Emperor still invalid as allies or did they FAQ that?

>>54848487
Nigga I'm not clicking that.

>>54848487
THANK YOU

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>>54848487

>>54847585
>>54847908

Iron Hands it is brothers. The flesh is weak.

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>>54848809
Why not loyalist Iron Warriors? They're one of the traitor legions with the most loyalists as they were so spread throughout the galaxy manning posts.

>>54848487
Screens or I don't believe

>>54848487

The fuck is this?

>>54850060
Black Legion? It's legit, get on that shit before I spoil it all over the thread.

>Teegee likes ADB now

What happened?!

>>54850352
Tsundere as fuck. Plus it's a fight between Abaddon and Sigismund, even if [author name redacted] wrote it, I would still grudge up the energy/interest to read it.

>But I am convinced that they hate us. They laugh at our dreams. They mock our ambitions. They fight us to enslave us, knowing they need us. They crave champions for their causes, elevating us, offering more– always more– to achieve our goals, only to abandon us and destroy us when we act against their whims. This is more than simple malice. Malice is crude and practically instinctive, a thing even beasts can comprehend. No, this is spite, and spite requires consciousness, emotion, the capacity for bitterness and wrath.

>But they reserve their fiercest hatred for Abaddon. Oh, how they despise him. They hunger for him, fighting each other for the honour of attracting his ironclad soul into their clutches. The Pantheon hates him the way parasites or addicts resent that which sustains them. Without Abaddon, they have no hope of victory. If he would only choose one of them, if he would only commit his destiny to one of the Gods, it would bring the Great Game of Chaos to its final moves.

>But then Abaddon would lose. He fights not for the Pantheon, those creatures that hate how they need him, nor does he care about their Great Game. He fights for himself, for his own ambitions, and for the brothers at his side. He fights for the Legions cast aside by the Emperor. He cares about the Imperium we built with our blood, sweat, bolters and blades– and he wants it back. He cares about returning to the godling that gave us life and seeing the Emperor bleed for all His failures. He cares about brotherhood, the unity of the damned, the wrongs that were done to all of us.

>And therein lies the root of the Gods’ spite. They beseech him. They beg him. They betray him in spite and then crawl back in the hope that he will bow to them.

>But the power is ultimately Abaddon’s, and that is what the Gods can never forgive.

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>>54850402
>His greatest strength is also his deepest flaw. Because he will not bow to the Pantheon, they will forever betray him and work against his ultimate triumph. It is said that Abaddon’s destiny is an ouroboros, the serpent devouring its own tail, as the Pantheon chases a submission he will never give, and he chases a triumph that may never come.

>And so I tell you this, as true as I have ever been in my entire life: Abaddon’s entire existence is devoted to breaking the cycle. We, his brothers, are his instruments in forcing fate onto a new path.

-Black Legion

WTF I LIKE ABADDON NOW. t's nice to see ADB's words and forum discussions years before make it into the fluff.

>>54850402
Khayon is Abaddon's #1 fanboy, news at 11.

>>54850418
If you want to hate on ADB, that passage is a beautifully written way of saying "I hate my dad and have spent years trying to convince myself that I don't give a fuck"

>>54850418
Khayon says nothing but the truth!

>>54850434
You have to remember it, like MoM is written from a biased point of view. Now, Khayon might be seeing reality as it is, but ADB is taking the opportunity to give himself some wiggle room in terms of POV character in case later canon contradicts his/this interpretation.

>>54850434
More like I hate my granddad.

>>54850442
I like you
>>54850448
I know my dude.

>>54850448
Actually, in this months WD, ADB was asked why his Abaddon seemed different from portrays of Abaddon in other parts of the fluff. ADB said that this is his version of Abaddon and he based it on 2nd ed Abaddon.

Like man ADB is not a dishonest guy. He tell it as it is.

>>54850488
What anon meant, I believe, is that there's wiggle room in the book for anyone who hates this shit to say REEEEE NOT CANON because spoiler the entire series is a guy who claims to be a notorious Tzeentch sorceror pinky promising he's telling you the whole truth honest guv.

>>54850488
ADB is a writer first and foremost. Khayon is his mouthpiece at the moment and you're crazy if you think

>[Abaddon] fights not for the Pantheon, those creatures that hate how they need him, nor does he care about their Great Game. He fights for himself, for his own ambitions, and for the brothers at his side. He fights for the Legions cast aside by the Emperor. He cares about the Imperium we built with our blood, sweat, bolters and blades– and he wants it back. He cares about returning to the godling that gave us life and seeing the Emperor bleed for all His failures. He cares about brotherhood, the unity of the damned, the wrongs that were done to all of us.

should be taken at face value.

>>54850509
>Khayon
>Tzeentchian

Dude, ADB is a large supporter of the everything is canon and not canon approach to the lore, and he is telling everyone that this is HIS version of Abaddon. He already gave people room before he even wrote the first book.

So why do people hate ADB? He keeps saying its okay to ignore what he writes but he has parts of the lore that he likes to ignore namely the Dreadknights which he says he will never write about.

>>54850516
That stuff is present in the Black Legion supplement. Abaddon maintains his freewill.

>>54850545
ADB please go. We've already said time and again, it's not how you write but what you write that makes you dislikable.

And it's not even your own version of Abaddon, that would be 3rd person omniscient POV. Unless you're saying Khayon is ADB's self insert which... while possible, naaahhhh it would be some PoC woman.

>>54850562
Screenshot or quote it? I remember it saying he maintained free will, but this extra stuff about brotherhood and unity seems like Khayon's own (delusional) addition.

>>54850545
This is like we're arguing but we believe the same thing, so please believe me on that.
I'm simply pointing out that the entire structure of these books is the unreliable narrator - the very structure that allows ADB to write his version of events without any cause for complaint and that gives people who don't like it a justified out without being wieners about it.
He has created a framework that allows him to tell his story as a story, not as narrative fact. This creates the effect you are describing.
Also I don't hate ADB or his work in the slightest, personally. But people have their reasons, good or bad.
>>54850569
Khayon is a self-insert in the sense that he allows that writer to be central to the story, he's a writing tool. He's not like the cliched idea of a self insert.
Though he is named after ADB's son, which is kind of cute.

>>54850569
Carnac is not ADB.

>>54850602
>kind of cute
After all the shit that Khayon goes through, both in the 31st and 41st millennia, I would be thoroughly creeped out as his namesake.

>>54850596
>Kranon had served as a Chapter Master of the Space Marines, had been in the presence of such luminaries as Chapter Master Marneus Calgar, Lord Commander Dante and Supreme Grand Master Azrael. Yet none had the domineering presence that he saw and felt when he stood aboard the Planet Killer, the Warmaster’s massive starship, staring up at the hulking figure of Abaddon the Despoiler. With the voices in his head spewing advice, it was difficult to concentrate. When, at last, it was his turn to declare fealty, Kranon vowed to join the Black Crusade, but he would do so only on the condition that the Daemon Tzax’lan-tar was his to kill, whether they be on the same side or not. At Kranon’s proud words, the assembled Chaos Lords and Daemon Princes, Champions and Sorcerers froze. There were no conditions with the Warmaster. He had slain for less.

>Abaddon had many fractionalised forces to command, from rival Legions to the Daemon Primarchs that awaited in the Warp. He had little patience for the foolish egos of lesser commanders. They would bow or they would die. Yet there was something about Kranon’s proud bearing that Abaddon admired. Despite the rampages of the Crimson Slaughter, they were efficient – something that still pulled to that part of him that was always an old Legionnaire. Besides, none knew better than he the fickleness of Daemons. He laughed and welcomed the Crimson Slaughter to the Black Crusade, assigning them a place of honour amongst the attackers.

-Crimsin Slaughter
ADB's characterization isn't far off.

Am I gonna be that guy that out of all the legions I'm starting to be drawn to the ultramarines of all things?

>>54850654
Nothing wrong with that in HH, they have character in this setting. They're only the boring chads in 40K.

>>54850654

Ultramarines are badasses in M31. They're the 80s style action heroes to M42's sanitized CGI superheroes.

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since it's a good thread for big fucking hammers, I might as well post this lad again

>Sigismund remained motionless and said, with infinite patience, ‘You keep speaking, Ezekyle. Do I look as though I am listening?”

IT'S TIME

>>54850805
>Ezekyle

Using Abaddon's first name implies familiarity and closeness. That's unbecoming.

>>54850816

Well I mean, they knew each other pretty well before the heresy.

>>54850654
not really? they have a good scheme and interesting rules

Like, the ultramarines train ogryn to sneak. You can't beat that.

>>54841737
>months of internally debating legion
>finally decide
>see inferno book art
fuck why do the sw look so good

>>54851347

> Full norse instead of full furry
> Knotwork instead of mangy fur
> Morkai death cults instead of rabid animals

Bless you Alan Bligh

I just noticed something. The clone of Horus was always called clone Horus or simply the clone in the fluff.

People around here started to referring to the clone as Horus Reborn, and guess what happened? The new Black Legion novel calls the clone Horus Reborn.

ADB is watching us. Be careful. He might steal your ideas.

>>54852376
>People around here
You mean you?

>>54852423
Who is me?

>>54852600
Alpharius?

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>>54851347
>We come here to celebrate the Allfather, we come here to remember his sacrifice and his ascension from the world of the senses and his victory over my brother the traitor. We remember the dead, who even now gather in the Oververse, their blades sharp, their aim keen. They are better than we are for they perished in the war to end all wars, and their souls have been purified! And what of us, those left behind, wallowing in the drinks the fallen gods have left us? We have grown fat. We have the beast within us, but is has never yet been mastered. So let us celebrate my father's ascension, let us remember what he was able to accomplish, let us remember what he built and what he foresaw and then what he lost and how he failed. Do not mourn the fact that he no longer walks among us, for the galaxy is too small to accommodate such souls, he was of an age of gods! And we are slumped in an age of mortals. The light of the stars will fade, this place will grow old and the ice will crack it. We will forget no matter how much the skalds tell the old tales. What battles are left for us like the ones before? My fallen brothers are gone, Malcador is gone, the leeches cluster around the Golden Throne and whisper of deeds done before they were born as if it were they who achieved them.

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>>54852933
>>54851347
>A doubt of all this, one thing remains true - we were not on Terra, we were not there when the palace fell and that shame will pursue us for eternity. It remains unfinished… I have waited for too long, building this mountain, squabbling with Guilliman. I will not grow old, feeble, limping around a crumbling inheritance. I have an Oath to keep. There are beasts left to slay. Listen but closely brothers, there shall come a time, far from now, when the chapter itself is dying and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then, my sons, I shall listen for your call, in whatever realm holds me and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end, I will be there. For the final battle. FOR THE WOLF TIME!

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How do you guys feel about mixing armour marks in your armies? I wanna start a night lords force and wanna use some of the upgrade sets for FW but at the same time really like the look of mark 3.

>>54852967

Don't mix armour within a model, but across an army it's completely fine and totally expected.
Even mixed across a unit is fine.

So it's been established by canon that Primaris Marines were made during the Heresy.

Are you looking forward to when Games Workshop decides that actually CRAWL released the Primaris in 30k too and they joined all of the legions before the final battle on Terra and all your manlets get squatted in 30k like they are in 40k?

>>54853279
He was called Arkhan Land back in the Heresy

>>54852275
>instead of rabid animals

Who wear wolf skull masks and are basically Wulfen bar the 100% furry mutations.

>>54852967
Depends on the unit in question. My assault marines and bikers are in MkVI, close combat units in MkIII, crews in MkV and the rest in MkIV.

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Speaking of wolves, did this get posted yet?

>>54854004
>cartridge casings too big to fit through ejection port

>>54852275
The Space Wolves sure love their knots alright. :^)

>>54854069
That's just FW's peerless attention to detail.

>>54854004
Aside from this model, more doors and Necromunda, have we seen anything else?

>>54854069
Kek, even if they are the wrong size though, I like seeing the loose belt fed ammo style make a return. To me it's one of those 40k things

>>54854069
>>54854232

Caseless Bolters have been the fluff forever. Might just be to dump gas or something.

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>>54854069

At least his head looks alright.

>>54854262
Anyone who approved this for sale is either blind or retarded.

>>54852960
>FOR THE WOLF TIME!
It was good right up until the end, a shame really

>>54854259
>Caseless Bolters have been the fluff forever.

Yet nobody has ever been able to find a single credible source for them. Meanwhile, even if you accept the "every artist who has ever drawn for GW has been wrong in drawing bolters ejecting casings, and every editor accepting those art pieces doesn't know a thing" argument, it still leaves us with things like models with clearly visible casings that are painted in brass, and fluff like the marksmanship medal in 5e SM codex being made from bolter casings Guilliman himself had fired, etc.

Did none of the usual people go to this event, the information/pic gathering seems really slow this time around... Or is there just not that much stuff to show in general?

>>54854541
Brothers will fight
and kill each other,
sisters' children
will defile kinship.
It is harsh in the world,
whoredom rife
—an axe age, a sword age
—shields are riven—
a wind age, a wolf age—
before the world goes headlong.
No man will have
mercy on another.

>>54852967
>entire army is one mark
Can look good, a freshly restocked well-equipped army ready to go to war

>multiple marks in the army, units are a single mark
Can look good, different marks can fulfill different functions or maybe you have old war vets fighting as one unit and fresh recruits as another

>multiple marks within a unit, models are a single mark
Can look good, sergeants could be from Terra or it could be a personal preference thing for each soldier with lots of additional heraldry and trinkets to add more personality

>multiple marks on each model
Can look good, a broken and scrounging force of survivors that repair with anything they can get a hold of, everything weathered and bloodied to hell and back

>just doing whichever option is the easiest and cheapest without regard to your dudes or aesthetics
FUCKING STOP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>54854618
There's some stuff on an official liveblog over here:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/13/forge-world-open-day-live-blog/
Lots of pictures of vehicle doors, if that's your sort of thing, plus this new angle of the custodes flier.

>>54854618

There was nothing to show beyond necromunda. FW guys are saying that they're prohibited from previewing (they had more varagyr ready) but GW wantsvall previews controlled through the community site.

>>54854810
fucken what

>>54854776
Wow, Legion doors for Deimos. About time.

>>54854810
Welp, looks like I'm never attending one of these events then.

No titanicus then?

>>54854810
That would be extremely silly to do... But this is GW, so I could see it happening.
Very dumb decision in my opinion.

>>54854776
Jesus christ, that's an ugly fucker. And not in a good way.

>>54854776
At that angle it looks even worse. I hope it won't be a must-have for custards, because I don't want this shitty design in my army.

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Do you guys figure the Aquilon kits will come with both melee options? Because I want two squads of firepikes, but I don't really want to fuck around with worthless solarite talons...

>>54855868
I would assume so, but I'd wait for FW to post them on the store and explicitly clarify what's in the kit or not.

>>54855868
For some reason, the fact that one squad has blue lenses while the other has red lenses makes me chuckle

>No new pics about wolf special units outside of a terminator
>No news about further products for Dangels and Blangels outside of doors
>No tease about the next primarch

Well alright then.

>>54856256
FW Open was a shitshow for HH this year. The Aquilon we've known about for a while, the Orion looks like utter trash, the Sicarian Omega turret is oversized and the various doors are boring as sin.
At least the one sole Vargyr was alright, I guess.

>>54855868
>more than one option included in the kit
>FW
Pick one

>>54854810
Did they actually say this, or is this another case of some internet yahoo putting words in their mouths?

>>54856341

Yes, they actually said they were prevented from showing the Vatagyr. The one they showed off was the designers' least favorite.

>>54856327
Well, it could be that the gauntlet and the talon share the same basic body, i.e. the talon is just a set of claws put onto the back of the gauntlet, same as fists and claws in some cases are.

>>54856363
Can't say I'm surprised, but it certainly explains why it was so boring this time.
Necromunda is nice and all, but overall it was big fat disappointment.

>>54854810

Are you fucking shitting me? God fuck off GW let them show off the good stuff.

>>54854810
>>54856363
>forgeworld in charge of professionalism

>>54855383
next year

> that mini in the cabinet is a Varagyr, but apparently he's Rob (The sculptor) least favourite of the squad and he's not allowed to show more, a decision made by the higher ups
> Deathsworn have models finished and will be full resin kits and uber dynamic. He mentions one which is posed throwing a statis bomb in the same manner as a discus thrower.
> Slayers will be multiple upgrade kits based around weapon options. Three sets are confirmed, with others potentially available. They are upgrade kits, so expect 5 pairs of arms and weapons, 5 sets of pads, 5 heads, 2 or 3 torsos. Weapons seem to be combat blade and bolt pistol as basic, second set with shield, third set with chain weapons.
> their special character (Hvral ?) will be getting a dedicated model.
> Apparently Dorn is nearly completed, and Alpharius is well in the works.

>>54854776

Oh great, I gotta hold off on rhinos and land raider for another fucking 6 months so I can get dem TS doors and shit.

>>54857853
Interesting. Source? The usual places don't seem to have much.

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>door series that'll probably be abandoned halfway through like always
>no new rules
>no exclusives
>actually rules designers didn't even show up
>"we have everything for everything done but I can't show you come back next year k"
This is the most disappointing Forge World event I have ever heard of. I can taste the disappointment from across the Atlantic.

>>54857853
They better not fuck up Dorn. I just want a good looking Primarch model without a dumb look on his face.

>>54850545
Because
>this is MY version of the character!
>lol also now its canon

He's an intellectual coward who falls into the same canards when he gets told off on forums.

Should try being a man once in his life and tell people that yes, Emps really does hate his kids.

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>>54822259

Any word on more plastic sets being released? Calth and Prospero were both so great, but it's frustrating to build any of the older relic Legions (Scars, Dangels) or Raven Guard without breaking the bank.

> Ashes of Isstvan: Alpha Legion vs Raven Guard
> 30 MkVI, 5 Scouts, 3 Outriders, 1 Javelin, Master of Signals, Vigilator
> Bits for Seekers and Cloaks

> Descent of Angels: Dark Angels vs Night Lords
> 30 MkII, 5 MkIV Destroyers, 3 Jetbikes, Champion, Moritat
> Bits for Jump Packs and Chainswords

>>54858441
>plastic moritat
sorry to burst your bubble friend

>>54858441
Probably not for a while.
That said, I'd kill for a plastic Javelin.

>>54858441
MkII might work with Angelus. What else it contains, I don't know. 30k Indomitus and a boxnought?

>>54857994

Yeah Forgeworld events are pretty boss generally. This one seems to suck.

>>54858750
>30k Indomitus and a boxnought?
I hope not, that's retarded. I want mkII assault marines and jetbikes.

>>54857902

comment on bolter and chainsword

>>54858815
>jetbikes
Bullock-pattern? I mean, I don't give a shit about mkII, but finally getting those would be the tits. Scimitars? No, thank you.

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>>54854776
Vaguely reminiscent of the Space Marine dropship in the 2nd ed. Epic rulebook.

When is the next Horus Heresy Weekender?

>>54859744
Yeah, I, too, felt reminded of the old Stormbird. Except the Orion looks infinitly worse.
Maybe if it had tiliting turbofan engines as well as more wing in general it'd look better?

>>54858815
>HH box set
>containing anything other than basic infantry models and dreads

Anon, please don't get your hopes up.

>>54854776
>not making the wings look like eagle wings
>>54860112
I mean, custodes and sisters were pretty good.

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So, as someone fairly new(Played maybe 2 games of 7th before 8th dropped) what was so bad about 7th that people say it's going to kill HH?
I've been interested in trying the game despite lack of local community(Mechanicum models are awesome) so I want to know what klnd of direction things are going.

>>54860540
>what was so bad about 7th that people say it's going to kill HH?

It separates the game from 40k. Everyone's learning to play 8th, so who'd want to go play a whole new system?

>>54860621
I don't know about you, but I play multiple games with different systems. I don't see the issue of treating 30k as a separate game from 40k with its own rules.

>>54860621
Gotta say... I tried out a couple of games of 8th, and I don't see how it's going to be interesting. You move towards the enemy and that's about it. It surprised me and I hope I turn out to be wrong.

Without side or rear facings, movement isn't rewarded aside from getting closer. The simplified cover and terrain rules add to that; you're very rarely faced with tough movement choices. Due to splitting fire, you don't have tough choices about how to shoot at, either. Being able to leave combat has a similar effect. It seems like it's too easy to do everything at once.

40k wasn't never as tactical as a lot of the Specialist Games like Epic or BFG, but it wasn't terrible. It might be, now. There just isn't anything there.

>>54860540
But yes, the main problem for HH is that 99% of us came from 40k, so it's much easier if the rules are similar. Yeah, a lot of us hadn't played since 3rd or 4th or 5th editions before jumping into HH, but those were all fundamentally similar to 6th and 7th. 8th is very different.

>>54860621
Actually there's far more delaying HH than just the 8th switch. At the FW Open Day, it was revealed that not only is Angelus delayed, but the entire HH line itself is currently slowed to a crawl as the majority of sculptors have been redirected to work in the Specialist Games division. FW are in the process of recruiting a new guy for HH, but they are running a bit short at the moment. This means almost everything is currently delayed for a few months. The Specialist range is the thing that's really choking the life out of 30k, and is another reason 30k has been put on the back-burner by FW for the moment.

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I just bought enough FW stuff to get free shipping. Goodbye b-day money! Hello sweet resin crack!

>>54860732
What did you get?

>>54860712
You also don't have to autistically measure that all your models are 2" apart nor get a whole unit wiped out by an AP2 Ignores Cover attack because one dude's kneepad poked around the corner.

Problem with facings and such was that they were never consistent. How is it that, say, a dreadnought has a weaker rear armour, but a riptide or a carnifex doesn't? Why can a Vyper jetbike only fire in the direction it's facing, but a regular jetbike can face any direction and fire in a completely different direction? Why do you measure distance from any part of a Marine's body, but a tank has to measure from the gun?

Those rules would matter if everyone abided by them, but they don't. What point is there to punish a player with limiting their usefulness of their vehicles with firing arcs, facings, etc. when another player's "vehicles" could fire 360, measure from any point of the model and didn't have to worry about damage tables nor weaker armour facings?

Even the devs said that 7e is just a bloated form of 3e, when a whole host of unit types and rules did not exist. It's pretty clear the game has become massively bloated with jury rigged rules and patches to try and fix it, but the underlying limitations were constantly there. 8e is not the final, ultimate 40k edition. It's a new start, similar to 3e. It lays the new rules upon which future editions can build. I'm perfectly fine with going back to basics, instead of having to add a whole new thing on top of everything else that's been piled into the game.

>>54860966
I agree with all that - 7th was clunky, inconsistent, messy, etc. But there's some interesting mechanics in it. Just needs a lot of cleanup.

8th is clean, but there's no depth right now. It can probably be added in (in exchange for some clunkiness), but I won't say I like it until that happens. There aren't enough choices to make. It's a dull game.

And spacing 2" apart has been replaced with getting as big a blob as possible in the 6" bubble around your warlord. It looks terrible.

>>54860881
Some myrmidons, two castellax, solar auxilia rifle section & solar axemurderers.

>>54860966
>whole unit wiped out by an AP2 Ignores Cover attack because one dude's kneepad poked around the corner.

That's more an 8e problem than a 7e one, though. In 7e you can't kill units you can't see, so that would get one dude tops, in 8e the whole unit can die without even getting the small cover bonus because the times it's worth going into a ruin for that are pretty rare. Played 4 games of 8e so far and I've picked up natural cover a whole once. Also, Ignores Cover can literally be translated into situational +1AP, which again removes a shit ton of possible rules from the game even if it does make a little more sense.

As for the autistic spacing, I've found it really doesn't change much unless you're literally running 100 Levies/Scripts, and movement trays are fine in both there. You still have to move all the models, it's just that the new aura effects mean that there's very little downside to balling all your dudes around Cawl or Guilliman for double damage and having two or three nippy things to grab objectives like Dragoons. Same problem as Stellaris has at the moment, deathstar is now pretty much the optimal build because there's no punishment. Also looks totally shit, since those awesome Skitarii/Crawler gunlines stretching across the board that I used to run are now a) impossible because I need to buy and run 3 140pt HQs just for that many legal Troops and b) useless, because I could pack all of those together into a big shitty blob and do way more damage.

Sure, 7e needed some tidying, but it can be FAR better than 8e if that happens. 8e's core rules are just too simple for it to have proper tactics unless you write an essay of rules on every single datasheet to make it similar in play to 7e's list of USRs.
The only decisions in 8e now are move away from melee threats, move towards things to get in range and split fire properly, and that's not enough to run a HH-like game where the vast majority of armies would be almost identical.

>>54861092
Strategems add depth, so does positioning, deliberate retreats, commander auras and more diverse weapon types. There's plenty of depth already, and the additional shit the various codices will bring (and have already brought for SM, GK and CSM) only adds to this.

>>54861288
I'm not sure any of those affect your in-game decisions, just your list-building and deployment. But I'll have to play more, and with armies that have a full codex.

>>54861183
>that's not enough to run a HH-like game where the vast majority of armies would be almost identical
Okay, that's just nonsense. Because if you really think that I'd recommend taking a look at the new codices and see how radically different the various chapters or traitor legions play.

>>54861092
>>54861183
Sure, lets clean 7e. Lets make sure all vehicles actually use vehicle rules, that means bikes and robots as well. Lets do something about the rampant AP2 Ignores Cover Large Blast or larger stuff. Lets stop bloating every new legion/primarch. Lets make basic guns without AP3+ worth something.

>>54861366
>I'm not sure the stuff dependent on your in-game decisions will affect your in-game decisions
What?

Were there any good pictures of the Custards Terminators from Open Day? Seems like none of the usual people that go and take pictures actually took any pictures...

>>54861576

There was but there was nothing to take pictures of. FW got fucking hamstringed this year.

>>54861576
The open day was Mediocre. If you want pics, go here.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/13/forge-world-open-day-live-blog/

The real news is HH is on the backburner, they're looking to hire a new writer to work with French on Angelus and it's doubtful it will even be out by the next HH Weekender in 2018, and all the HH sculptors have been moved to Necromunda or Titanicus.

>>54861397
Chapter Tactics as far as I can tell don't really do that much aside from basically pick "Shooty" or "Melee". The big thing is not the army customization, since that would remain about the same, it's how the vastly reduced base ruleset would make the games varied. In 7e HH, you can go for risky deepstrikes, Outflank with units, take Rites of War to vary things up and use units to modify troop slots, all of which are made redundant or removed with 8e. You'd have even MORE Legion Spartan/Primarch deathblobs because auras are now a thing, and there's very little incentive to do anything with an army other than find the two best units and spam them, since you don't even have slot restrictions as long as you're willing to take a HQ. You've seen the 8e tourney lists, can you seriously say that it wouldn't degenerate into even worse spam almost instantly?

I just think it would be much simpler to fix 7e than to build the whole tactical structure of 8e back to a decent level. Apply flanking debuffs to Vehicle or Monster units, turn the spammy small blasts into D3 shots, redo the vehicle damage table so Explodes is D3 for everything to limit lascannon oneshots and such. Slap a nerf on Haywire, too, and maybe introduce a system for high S reducing armour saves some like Pariah power armour.

As for all the AP2 IC Large Blasts, that's no better in 8e honestly, and would probably be best fixed with unit rebalances. What in particular at you annoyed at? Thanatars and Quad-Mortars, I'm guessing. Seems like a logical downside to a Marine-heavy metagame to this degree, honestly, and even in 8e you have Marine-mowers like Kastelans dominating. That would benefit from regular points rebalances, which would be something that GW has tried to go for with 8e but I haven't seen that many of.

>>54861620
>HH is on the backburner

FUCKING WHAT?

>>54861650
Yeah. They're diverting resources to specialist games, as it has a greater potential to pay out in the long term. It's why Specialist Games are getting ramped up and HH is being set aside until they've been able to replace Bligh.

Bligh's death has really fucked with FW, and as HH was always his project, there's no-one to replace him. So better to do what they can with what they have on hand, which is Specialist Games.

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>>54861576
See here. >>54855868
Beyond that, not much. The event was kind of a joke compared to previous years and FW got leashed, apparently.

>>54861650
>>54861682
>Solar Auxilia guy moves to France
>no more Solar Auxilia
>Dorn sculptor fucks off to somewhere
>Dorn never appears
>Bligh dies
>entire HH stops
FW is eerily reminiscent of Valve and their "work" habits.

>>54861682

Jesus fucking christ why the fuck did I even get into HH shit this late in the game?

>>54861713
Nah. Dorn is almost done. He'll be in production by the end of the month.

>>54861650
Basically, don't expect anything but doors, turret swaps and minor unit upgrades for the time being.

>>54861726
Curious that they wouldn't show him then. Might have made this boring-ass open day at least a little more interesting.

>>54861428
He's garbling his idea that 8th is about blobbing up around HQs and either flat advances or static firing positions because everyone can split fire, shooting movement penalities are low, and blobbing negates inherent weaknesses and increases stengths.
Compared to 7th where units fought more as individuals that supported each other with movement and special rules effects, ie one unit pinned in place or distraction'd while another flanked.

I don't know if these ideas are true as I haven't played 8th yet, if they're garbo you would know. Battle Reports in 8th are kind of dull you shoot I shoot we all fall down, but people are still learning the game and like you say, it's still developing.

>>54861770
Expect less reveals at Weekenders and events from here on. Apparently GW want to make all of those reveals come through the Community site and Warhammer TV so they get more exclusives and previews and they can control the reveals. FW is being integrated into the GW promotions side (such as the Community page), and also FW creating a buffer whilst most of the sculptors and designers have been sequestered off to other areas and projects.

>>54861770
But then they couldn't tease him on the internet for a month with lame video skits and cropped photos.

>>54861288
>positioning
Not nearly as much as 7e. In 7e cover mattered more, flanking vehicles, outflank existed, deep strike was a gamble that could give you a huge boon or make a unit useless and anywhere in between, spacing for blasts. 8e is just keeping an army ball so every unit is in a command aura. Cover is meh, deep strike has no risks, approach a vehicle from anywhere because no facings and it can spin 360 during its turn to shoot you with every weapon. Screening characters is the only big positioning thing to take into account.

Stratagems are cool though.

>>54861400
Things like rampant AP2 ignores cover large blast aren't an issue with 7th, it's an issue with the people designing power creepy rules. Limiting that kind of thing is easy, and it'd be just as easy to add more and more OP weapons to 8th with things that have things like -4 AP, higher damage values, etc.

7th ed would be great by removing glances against vehicles, removing the damage table, adding the 8th AP system, remove challenges and some USRs that just combine other USRs like Zealot, maybe add the movement stat (things like Rampagers moving >6" might make them better, etc), maybe remove templates.

>>54860672
It's very easy to mix up similar rules when you're playing different editions of a same game though

>>54861788
Wrong way to do it, you cross-market and synergise, you put on events and open days as normal with exclusives, then you send your social media and video team out onto the floor in pre-rehearsed segments where they show the new stuff off and talk to the designers for 5 minutes, to give viewers the experience of being there.
You don't take away product that generates direct income to increase outreach, you DO BOTH.

Muppets don't know how to do online integration.

>Local group just gets into HH
>Excited for open day
>Nothing substantial gets revealed
>Learn that HH is on the FW backburner in favor of specialist games
>Bittersweet return of necromunda heralding the death of the horus heresy line
>Realize my favorite legion won't be out FOR YEARS unique unit wize.

Well fuck me. Why continue?

>HH is losing resources to HH but with tinier models
I may be the only person here with enough age, autism and access to N-gauge scenery to look forward to this.

>>54861873
>aren't an issue with 7th

Yes they are, because modifiers were almost unheard of. It's all or nothing. Either you get an armour save or you don't. Either you get cover or you don't. Either you hit at full BS or you don't.

Even AP-4 lets a 2+ save model have a 6+ save. 5+ in cover.

>>54823651
I've got it on my phone but I have no idea how to get it off of here. Everything I've googled is only good for several versions of iOS ago.

>>>54833355
I really didn't care for it, and I liked the first one a lot.

>>54833355
You're still here. Great. I've missed you. The only other Kiwi on here.

Did the next FW book come out yet? It'd be a nice slightly late birthday present.

>>54862636
Angelus is delayed no release date
Black Legion novel got ripped and is about, it's okay/10
Haven't seen a rip of the Lorgar novella yet, people who read it say it's gash.

>>54862679
Well there goes anything 40k related for my 20th birthday. At least Persona 5 makes up for it.

>>54862636
It'll be at least a year before Angelus is out. They're looking for a writer to work with French on it. Haven't even started yet.

>>54862865
That bad, huh?

Well, I like Necromunda and Titanicus so I can only complain so much. I'll keep waiting for the poor White Scars...

It took them less than two years to release 11 legions in the first three books.

>>54825455
Anon I can help a bit. Do you own an airbrush, if not what's your budget. Airbrushing is very useful for vehicles and basecoating marines. However if you become proficient enough you can even do small detailing.

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When BFG:HH is inevitably announced, will you ensure your legionary detachments have the proper fleet support they deserve, or will they remain stranded and without support, unable to bring more war and ruin to the Emperor's/Warmaster's enemies?

>>54862865
>It'll be at least a year before Angelus is out

just kill me now senpai

>>54863497
That depends on the models.

>>54863497
Cross campaign involving bfg and hh with planetary sieges when?

>>54863274
In middle school I had a single-action Badger with suction feed. Haven't found it at my parents' house, but I know I'd need a dual-action and I definitely don't want suction feed again. Budget is... well, we've gotten ourselves into a stupidly expensive game, so bring it on. I'm hoping good ones are like US$200 or less, but there are so many out there that I don't know what price range I need to look at.

I was using compressed air cans, which sucked. But I thought compressors were all horribly loud based on my experience installing baseboard with a nail gun. I started considering an airbrush when I heard there were very quiet ones. I'm hoping they're under, say, $300.

Extractors were easier to research - not as much price variance, so I'll just get one off Amazon and slap it on top of my desk.

Now I just need to stop working all these extra hours so I can do more than just buy stuff.

>>54854776
>In the meantime, we’re signing off for now.
>– Sarah & Rhuairidh & Nick

My sister lived in Glasgow for a bit and told me that middle name was a Gaelic spelling of "Rory". My gods.

>>54863572
I had assumed somebody had a little fun and signed as a fantasy dwarf or something.

>>54855868
I really hope these guys are put up for pre-order this coming week, it's the only thing to me that I want from the Open Day, of course though, nothing was really shown of them

Also, it sort of bothers me in a weird way that there are people who have already unboxed/reviewed (not put together) the new Custodes flyer...

>>54863572
Some people pronounce it Roory spelled like that.

>>54861919

Tell me about it. GW is working hard to make me not want to give them money.

Kill WHFB for AOS

Move timeline forward for 40K and it's lame as fuck.

Redirect resources away from 30K

Oh well no lack of other games to spend money on.

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>>54827633
He's great when you want massed veterans, at the same time as keeping your RoW flexible, on top of that he is a fair chunk cheaper than an even slightly kitted out Praetor for Master of the Legion. I usually have him alongside a centurion (flavour of which fluctuates, depends on my mood).
TL:DR Mal is great if you want a cheap and effective character that gives you a fair bit of army flexibility.

>>54863549
I'm currently using a Grex pistol grip double action one. The combo came with a compressor. I believe I bought it off Amazon like 6 years ago for around 300ish (ithink), and it still works as a charm when I started painting again this year. You can get a very decent Iwata, or badger for ~200usd.

As for extractor, well I just use a painter filter mask and paint on my balcony outside, so can't well with that.

>>54863497
Listen here, you fucking monster, my wallet is in goddamned shambles from this shit already. You really think I can afford to give more shekels to Rabbi Workshop?

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>>54854727
I do a variety of mixed marks on models in some cases, and then mixed armour marks within units. Mainly because I'm playing SoH mid Heresy, and the customisations come from thier overweening pride and need to show off that they can get custom gear mid heresy.

>>54863497
>insert gif of zipper bursting and change pouring out.
Please no, I wasn't ready NOOOOO!

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Just about done with the Telemon and then it's off to seal it. Surprisingly pleasant to build and paint.

>>54865948
Gold and red outta 10.

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>next black book delayed til 2018 or later
>dudes behind new 7.5 rules gone AWOL, presumably having too much fun playing 8th somewhere else
>not allowed to show off most of their new mini sculpts
>flying Custodes brick looks like a flying brick of golden shit
>new series of doors which will probably be delayed and left incomplete
>lost all of their sculpters to another team
>Gabriel Angelos' face still looks like shit

Is FW dead for the next 18 months?

where can i find old arts
i wanna peep them for some inspiration

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Is there a guide to doing Alpha Legion metallic green-blue?

>>54866082
Forgeworld was dead the second GW decided to dump all specialist games and the hobbit onto them

>>54866082
How did Gabriel Angelos' head even happen?

>>54866389

My hypothesis is for some insane reason, they wanted to bake the head into the mold as opposed to leaving it separate and that limited how they could effectively shape the head. It sounds retarded, but we're stuck with retarded Gabe.

>>54866389
The model is super beautiful but just needs a simple headswap.

>>54866101
How old and what kind of shit? Most old art is in black and white. The Index Apocrypha should be in the Mega.

>>54866082
At least now we know why he tolerates Eldar, he's trying to get them to gift him a helmet that'll fit.

>>54866464
like all the old shit for the legions

>>54866488
Try
Index Chaotica Apocrypha
Index Imperialis Apocrypha
Index Astartes I to IV
Slaves to Darkness and Lost and the Damned
Chapter Approved Book of the Astronomicon

>>54861620
>they're looking to hire a new writer to work with French on Angelus
Who can apply?

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>>54863814
It's big, but not huge like I first thought.

>>54865233
Thanks! Have you used a... whatever the non-pistol grip is called? What's it like using a pistol grip?

>>54866983
I'm actually excited to get a pair of them. They seem fun.

Still expecting a transport capacity of 6 Custodes though; or basically 12 Sisters.

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>>54865948
Nice shading on the gold! I think you could make it more extreme if you wanted, but it's great.

>>54866101
How old?

>>54867025
Sorely tempted, but worried about it being too brassy if I do.

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>>54866238
Yes.

>>54866983
I'm trying really hard to like it but it looks like a star trek kitbash.

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>>54867090
I like that Custodes vehicles look nothing like anything made on Mars. This one's ugly, but I like that it's weird.

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Ye olde knight art

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Ok. Game tomorrow night with five Custode Dreads.

DeadBoiz™ are ready to go.

>>54863497
>He thinks he's getting gothic
>not copyright distinct Starwars Armada/Xwing that he has to paint

Gothic isn't for you, friend. It's going to be for Starwars players.

GW don't know what the fuck they're doing and will assume such a paltry effort will be enough to make them all the money again and dethrone FFG.

>>54853045
>Don't mix armour within a model
It was canonically a common thing to do - see >>54841587 and numerous other marines

>>54866238
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/36jpbd/updated_forge_world_alpha_legion_painting_recipe/

>>54867645
The fact that the Telemon doesn't carry a huge axe or some shit is a big let-down now that I see him. In fact, he looks kinda boring next to his smaller brethren.

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If you got to write the ally matrix for Talons of the Emperor what would it look like? I'd personally go something like this:

Sworn Brothers
>Imperial Fists

Fellow Warriors
>most legions
>mechanicum
>imperial army

Distrusted Allies
>Word Bearers
>Night Lords
>World Eaters
>Thousand Sons

>>54868439
Custards aren't too hot on *anybody* in general. I'd bump everything on that list down one rung of the ladder and it might be more on point.

>>54867645
Actually, isn't the big guy kinda bland next to the custodes contemptors?

>>54868458
>Custards aren't too hot on *anybody* in general.
Fair point but I think my list is still appropriate. Fellow Warriors just means the two forces act independently of each other. The Custodes do their own thing and the Astartes do their own thing. I think it's appropriate that most of the legions fall under there.

>>54867645
Curious question, but could you tell me how big the andrathic destructors on the achillon are?
I considered ordering a pair and build them with incinerators (because hordes are a real fucking problem), but wondered if the destructors are sized in a way that allows them to replace the gun part of a guardian spear. I fear they might be too large, but maybe I'm wrong.

>>54867018
Supposedly transport capacity 16.

>>54866983
The more I look at it the more I dislike it. Usually it's the other way round, but here I just keep finding shit that's dumb.

>>54852967
Helmets are fair game imo, some of my vets have mk3 helmets on otherwise mk4 armour.

You could put some mk2 or mk3 pauldrons on later mks and say they are reinforced armour.

MK2 and mk3 sets are okay being mixed as well since mk3 is just mk2 with the armour moved about.

Mk3 torso on an otherwise mk4 suit is okay, something reinforced armour something something.

>>54868514
They're the same size as the ones on the new Aquilon Terminators. Problem is that they're pressed together and you will lose detail if you cut the pair in half.

The Geno Five-Two podcast managed to speak to a bunch of FW people at that event this weekend.

Tony Cottrell says the target date for Angelus is end-of-year 2018.
When Inferno got delayed and still ended up messy, largely due to Alan Bligh doing too much himself while in treatment, FW realized they needed a) multiple main HH writers and b) a more organized process. They still haven't found those writers (though it sounds like John French will be one), and for b) they now have every released mapped out a year in advance.
They also have a goal of one Specialist Game per year. Necromunda this November, Titanicus next year.
Necromunda will be more detailed than the original. The only example given was extra skills tables. Like Blood Bowl, two plastic gangs in the box and resin expansions.
They haven't started BFG 2.0 but they'd like to theme it on the battle above Terra.
No more releasing a black book without plans to release all the associated models sometime soon (a year, maybe?).
Decent chance that they'll revisit the red books soon.

They are going to continue losing Heresy momentum. Good luck to us all.

>>54854004
>scibor celtic warrior, third party looking piece of shit
This is a Knight head tier sculpt.

>>54868682
Hmm, thanks. Might work then. The one flat side is obviously a problem, but I assume that can be fixed by putting a little bit of custard bling on both sides.

>>54868796
It's well shit, I do hope it's a prototype model.

>>54868791
>Tony Cottrell says the target date for Angelus is end-of-year 2018.
Just kill me now.

>>54868791
>ony Cottrell says the target date for Angelus is end-of-year 2018.
>Angelus end of 2018
Holy fuck, HH will be deader than dead by that point.

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>no HH books for well over a year
>trickle of model releases

>>54868791
>Necromunda this November, Titanicus next year.
>They haven't started BFG 2.0 but they'd like to theme it on the battle above Terra.
That's nice and all, but maybe DON'T FUCK AROUND WITH A BILLION OTHER GAMES WHEN YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY FUCKING UP WITH THE ONES YOU ALREADY HAVE!

>>54868815
I agree. It can look good, just make sure to have the weapon look as balanced as you can.

>>54868791
Let me get this right, we're getting a bunch of doors and turrets, a horrible Custodes flyer, awkward-looking Vargyrs and maybe Dorn to tide us over until the end of next-fucking-year? Seriously?

>>54868882
More will come. The next year has lots of sculpts and model packs to hold us over. They want to fill gaps while they build up.

>>54868882
That's what FW has been allowed to feature so far. There could be more, hopefully units without models. Didn't somebody mention something about Deathsworn models as well?

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Anyone modeled the Vengeance Launcher under the wings of a Storm Eagle instead of on top? Not a fan of the look on top, but I don't know how well the big launchers will fit under the wings. An alternative would be nice. Been looking at Sentinel and Land Speeder Storm launchers to mount under the lascannons or something.

>>54868874
I have five sanguinary guard kits lying around, of each of which I only used that one elegant sword, the fist and the double-headed axe; I'm sure I'll find some wings or shit in there that'll work for this purpose.