Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>54802031
I might have to start a deathguard army now.

>>54802044
I know I am. I already own Dark Imperium, might as fucking well. I've never had a Chaos force before.

>>54802031
Squats

>>54802058
>not trading one force away

I've got two Death Guard sides and I'm more than happy with it. Most of the models are great to have two of.

Except maybe the bell boy. But he's awesome. Love me some bell boy.

>>54802053

>An abacus

Does he help you figure out the numbers and advantages of turning traitor versus staying loyal?

>>54802053
Fudge Tallyman.

>>54802089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJMu9G7Pyw8

>>54802053
GW could have made traitor marine with an abacus. And it would be greatest thing ever. But, they did one step more and made skull abacus.
How can loyalist eaven compete?

>>54802078
Even then, bellboy can make a decent typhus conversion

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Has anyone kitbashed admech kataphrons with Necron destroyers? I kinda want to get some necrons to toy around with because the infantry is awesome but I'm way more fond of skynet oldcrons than space Egypt newcrons. Was hoping to make destroyers more like pic related (still play with the appropriate rules though, just changing the cosmetics of the bottom)

>>54802123
Loyalist on suicide watch, professionals claim death guard tallyman to blame.

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The Death Guard terminator kit is a duel kit that allows you to build Grave Wardens or Deathshroud.

>>54802163
How? They got different armour patterns.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdP1FENCJY

THE TIME FOR NURGLE HAS COME!.

>>54802177
In HH.

In 40k Chaos Terminators just wear shity cobbled together mishmash plate. One of the pics we already have of a DG Termie he has a different pattern armour for each shoulder.

>>54802152
He even fudges how many commit suicide.

>>54802134
should workout, the tops are just humans so necrons on the top should be fine. you want to make the necron itself less refined so it fits with the aesthetics of the bottom

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Xth for Guardbros are literally the most kino posters ITT. They actually play and paint, post, and improve on their work.

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>>54802044
You would have the most OP character. Not even the Black Templars are immune to him.

Can you guys post some silly 40k greentext screenshots?

Also why did GW make Primaris marines and put them in a starter box set?

>>54802200
Awesome, thanks anon. Will give it a whirl

>>54802219
Anon I agree but don't keep posting this every thread, there's a point where you're just sucking the guys dick and that's gay.

I wish RGG the best with his paintin'.

>>54802163
How do u know dis?

>>54802193
Or was it just different style pad? I mean, DI lord has domed pads on his Cataphractii and so do Custodes.

>>54802195
tallyman has fudged the number of alpharius' often.

>>54802225
Because they intend to squat manlets marines in a few years.

>>54802222
nice digits

>>54802219
This guy could go toe to toe with Magnus...and win...

>>54802222
>READ THE FUCKING MANUAL?
>BOY I WRITE THE FUCKING MANUAL

Soul Grinders, time to deploy en masse!

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>>54802225
In honor of tally man a death guard story.

>>54802239
The DI Lord of Contagion was explicitly said to have scavenged indomitus termie shoulder pads for his cataphractii suit because Chaos gear is scavenged and buckled together from whatever they can get their hands on.

And the other guy I'm talking about has two DIFFERENT shoulder pads, like one pattern on the left and a different one on the right.

Point is, armour pattern doesn't mean shit to 40k DG, so they could easily have a terminator dual-kit that has units which used to be different suits. They're just going to look like a mess of pus and tentacles and rusted plates regardless.

Congrats anon, you just got a job at GW! For your employee benefit you get to choose a single model or unit to update to nu-GW with new rules. If it does well the rest of the model's range will get an update too. Quick, what's your choice?

Guys talking about Abaddon's size should know this. Abaddon is said to be the same size as Horus. When Abaddon and Horus Reborn face to face they were identical in every aspect except armour and armaments.

Abaddon should get a new model that reflects that. I mean when Abaddon fought kharn, he towered over him and was overpowered him like some giant. Kharn confirmed manlet

>>54802165
I could see that, but I think there's just no way they're gonna keep Abaddon at space marine size with the way things have been going with important characters. Archaon is a pretty obvious comparison but that's a universe where they can sell a giant model by putting a dude on a giant mount. I think the unfortunate truth is he'll either get killed off and replaced with someone else big (maybe Lorgar? He has a pretty good personal conflict with Emperor stand-in Guilliman and a potential claim to be the most Chaos Undividedy of the Chaos primarchs) or get a dreadnought sized model.

>>54802280
Let me fudge some numbers

>>54802303
Black Templar Sword Brethren, just give Reivers a tabard and a power Zweihander and wrist-mounted bolters.

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>>54802268

Good. Magnus still has night terrors about this dude.

>>54802219
He still gotta paint them damn hands and clean up that gun. Better though, even though i play agains fucking grey hordes most the time and his original dudes wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

>>54802303
As I mainly play tyranids, and most of their range is already solid, I'll throw the guard players a bone and update their infantry with glorious Vostroyans.

>>54802321
Well, Abaddon refused becoming a Daemon Prince, but really, what's stopping the Chaos Gods from just turning him into one?

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>>54802321
You

see

>>54802306

Also you can play Archaon without the mount. Archaon is like three or two times larger than an Stormcast who are supposed to be the same height as space marines sometimes taller.

>>54802365
Shit & giggles

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Mortarion and the Death Guard codex will give chaos the points it needs to turn the battle of Konor.

Just got the new space marine codex because I'm a slowpoke.

Why the fuck did tech marines lose conversion beamers when they got them in the index?

Likewise why did dreadnoughts lose weapon options like autocannons which were also in the index?

Is GW just covertly removing options or did I miss an faq ?

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>>54802365
They can only corrupt and influence those who willingly give their souls to them

>>54802290
>we have 2 examples of marines putting on different shoulder pads
>ergo, deathshourds and grave wardens were the same suit

Well, they better have 4" movement and 5+ Inv. save then.

>They're just going to look like a mess of pus and tentacles and rusted plates regardless.

I dunno, so far they've all looked like Cataphractii.

>>54802365
Will power, Abaddon has literally being given enough blessings by the gods to be turned into a Demon Prince or a Spawn and he keeps denying them the ascension by sheer force of will.

>>54802321
You guys are all way overthinking this. Abaddon is gonna get cucked to lieutenant tier when they bring back Horus.

They didn't give Ahriman a fuckhuge model on a giant mount. They just updated him to modern standards, and then released fucking Magnus. Same deal will happen with Abby.

GW does not care that much about the old characters. 8e is Primarch Edition.

>>54802365
The new novel explains it. Willpower. The Chaos Gods are putting tremendous pressure on Abaddon's body, mind, and soul so that he would give in and become theirs. Abaddon endures but Khayon is really worried about him.

>>54802406
It does not make sense, but then Chaos lore is for edgy teenagers

>>54802392
They better win at least one planet or this is going to be dreadfully dull.

Put up a fight you cucks.

>>54802406
[citation needed]

Just so I can have a laugh.

>>54802365
Why would they? How useful have most daemon princes been at leading mortal armies. You have a general who doesn't even occupy the same plane of existence, let alone the same concept of time nor space. How is he going to make a good general?

>>54802303
standard chaos space marines and Fallen can swap their bolter for a chain-sword for free or take a chain-sword in addition to their other gear for 1pt per model

>>54802417
>when they bring back Horus.
>this level of delusion.

>>54802402
GW doesn't put rules in anymore for models they don't currently sell. If you still have those old models or conversions lying around you can use the index entries.

>>54802439
Space Marines had their codex a month sooner. I'm not sure how powerful the Chaos and Death Guard codices will be but I'm betting they'll rely heavily on model sales for Konor points.

>>54802381
If Sigmar is Thor, who's the rest of the pantheon?

>>54802402
Because those don't have official models. You can use the index for legacy rules though.

>>54802417
But the whole point of the Black Legion is the rejection of Primarchs and specifically Horus. Horus has literally no hold over the Legion because it's not just the renamed Sons of Horus it's an entirely new Legion that formed after the official disbanding of the Sons by Abaddon.

>>54802428
What doesn't make sense about it?

>>54802406
Has this ever been the case? Chaos was always an influence you couldn't just shake off, and if they wanted it, they'd just do a big fuck-you and fuck up whatever they wanted anyway

>>54802416
>>54802426
Well that sure sounds like some anime-tier mary-sueness.

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>>54802470
It's happened before.

>>54802470
Rumourmongers are already talking about how the fags who run the Black Library HH series are gloating about how they're going to retcon the end of it when the last books come out to leave openings for Horus and Sanguinius to come back, because GW loves money and doesn't give a shit about autists precious outdated lore.

If you don't think every Chaos player will immediately run out and buy the new Horus figure when it comes out just like all the loyalists scrambled to get Guilliman you're a retard.

>>54802426
Does this mean that Abbadon's will > Chaos?

>>54802457
>Why would they? How useful have most daemon princes been at leading mortal armies. You have a general who doesn't even occupy the same plane of existence, let alone the same concept of time nor space. How is he going to make a good general?

Actually, the Chaos Gods care not for the wars in real space. Their victory there is assured anyways as the walls of reality continue to crumble with each passing age. What the Chaos Gods care about is the Great Game of Chaos.

Abaddon is the greatest Chaos champion ever was and probably ever will be. Greater than even the primarchs. If any of the Chaos Gods can turn him to his side and bind him with daemonhood, then daemonic Abaddon will ensure the supremacy of the god in the Great Game.

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>>54802417

>when they bring back Horus
>mfw you actually believe this

hey guys, i have a quick question. yesterday i ordered something from waylandgames for the first time. how is your expierience with them? the item i ordered was the last one in stock, any chance it´ll arrive within next week?

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Do Night Lord's dicks shrivel up and retreat inside their bodies when they see a Chad Reiver bearing down on them?

>>54802508
Don't the Iron Warriors or someone wait for the "true emperor" Horus?

>>54802417
>8e is Primarch Edition

Yess, more posthuman meat for the grinder. They've yet to make one I can't beat to death with an angry pack of electro-priests, although I suspect Mortarion will be that Primarch. Sure, I may lose a bunch, but it's satisfying as all hell when those things die. My favoured Lords of War are either a Knight or a Marauder Destroyer, but I can't find any autocannon bitz that don't take up loads of room and look ugly on the side of my Space Whale I'm making into one.

>>54802508
>implying a properly reborn Horus wouldn't break Abbadabadoo over his knee and the will of the black legion at the same time

>>54802508
>spouting old lore like GW gives a shit
They just pulled PRIMARIS SPESS MAREENS out of there ass with no fucks given, you think they care what the Black Legion lore says? They'll write something new to go with the new developments.

>>54802392
The Codex is not being released until September, and Konor will be basically finished by then.

So in order for Morty to have any tangible effect on the outcome of Konor, he would have to be some seriously broken ass shit.

>>54802522
Te Black Legion series and other novels say that Horus's soul was erased from existence

>>54802518
>Well that sure sounds like some anime-tier mary-sueness.

Maybe but thats been the case since like 4th edition at least and in general its how posessed marines keep their demons in check so they dont consume their souls.

>>54802515
>can only corrupt and influence those who willingly give their souls to them
>willingly give their souls
>willingly
Nurgle must have one hell of PR team, because those Nurgle Zombies and Poxwalker sure happen rather easily.

>>54802527
>as the walls of reality continue to crumble with each passing age

Gee, I wonder what could have facilitated that. Gee, I wonder what the point of Abaddon's Crimson Path was. Gee.

>>54802532
See >>54802522

It's happening whether we like it or not.

>>54802532
>>54802470
I dunno, at this point, after the Master Of Mankind novel, killing the fuck out of Horus is about the only thing left that the Emperor actually did right (eventually). I could definitely see ADB wanting to take his one and only remaining achievement away from him.

>>54802571
I can get behind the idea of supressing a daemons will with your own, but the Chaos Gods?

>>54802494
I think they are more like the DC New Gods.

Sigmar is the Highfather, Nagash is Darksied, Archaon is the Antimonitor, etc.

>>54802577
They can easily kill you and also take control of your body, but total dominion is only given when the user willingly gives their soul and submits to corruption.

>>54802588
He wouldn't, because that would mean having someone superior to abbie and ADB just can't have that

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>>54802577
He has no shortage of attention.

>>54802556
It's ending that soon?!

Man, that's some broken shit. Why would GW have a campaign between their blue posterboys and stinky bad guys that haven't even been released?

>>54802613
>demonhost are a thing
Hell random demon possession happens without the psyker willing wanting to be daemon toy pussy.

>>54802477
Can I use a mixture of index entries and the codex then? That seems bizarre.

>>54802544
There are still some factions of the old Sons of Horus who worship their Primarch but not the Iron Warriors.

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>>54802609
Did Nagash job recently?

>>54802568
What part of retcons don't you understand.
Let me explain to you how this process works because you seem to think the GW executives give a fuck about your continuity opinions.

>Hey these Primarchs are really selling, what are we putting out next?
>Well, that was all the living ones
>Okay, so bring back some of the dead ones
>But the old novels written by guys that don't work for the company any more say their soul was erased from existence...
>That's nice, call up Laurie, tell him to unerase their soul from existence, and also put our new PRIMARIS MARINES prominently in the new book, start doing the prototype mockups for this Horace guy

>>54802537
>waylandgames
>next week
Next year more likely

Thinking of picking up a contemptor dread for my Thousand Sons, would an ectoplasma cannon + hellflamer work well either fluffwise or in a general TS army?

>>54802588
>Emperor kills Horus effortlessly
>Abaddon stumbles in, somehow Drachnyen shows up and they tear the Emperor a new one
>Emperor gets away anyway because something something JUST AS PLANNED and WE ALREADY WON LIKE A BILLION YEARS AGO MUAHAHAHA
>Abaddon retreats because something something MUST LEAD THE LONG WAR AND NOT JUST TAKE TERRA NOW
>Somehow Sanguinius dies
Screenshot this.

>>54802633
Only if the index entries weren't updated in the codex. And you use the points values from the codex wherever they contradict each other.

>>54802580
Abaddon accelerated the process. The walls of reality are only being held up by the Pylons. The pylon network was damaged and would get more damage as time proceeds and the power of Chaos grows.

>>54802639
Olly's storyline points at him stabbing Horus with the god killing dagger though.

>>54802638
All the time.

>>54802647
Bring Anti-tank dreads
TSons don't struggle with infantry

>>54802639
keep dreaming

>>54802634
Iron Warriors are awesome because even though they are Chaos, they are only in it for themselves and use Chaos as a tool. They don't worship it, and seek to forge their own empires and don't let imperial or demon both stand in their way

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My primaris list. I loved painting them but I think this list will at least give my opponent a fun game, if not actually be competitive.

HQ

Primaris captain with stalker and power sword (Relic: burning blade? Maybe? I need some opinions here): 95

Librarian with force sword: 105

Lt w/ power sword: 74 (I'm considering upgrading him to a primaris chaplain, only 11 points more)

Elites

Reiver squad with grav-chutes: 200

5x aggressors with boltstorms and frags: 215

redemptor dread with onslaughts: 202

primaris apothecary: 68

Troops:

3x intercessors with power sword and newly errata'd in aux grenade launchers: 315

Dedicated Transport

Repulsor with lastalon, twin lascannons, pintle onslaught, ironhail stubber, 2 krakstorms, 3 storm bolters, 2 fragstorms: 344

Heavy support

10x hellblasters: 380

White scars successors

battalion detachment, 6 command points

1998/2000

The idea is to have a deployment zone firebase deathblob with the intercessors screening the hellblasters, captain, Lt, apothecary and librarian while the redemptor and repulsor w/ aggressors move up and the reivers drop somewhere useful.

>>54802365
Because Abaddon is literally (fluff wise anyway) nuHorus, even physically. As the Horus Heresy series continues he picks up more and more of Horus' attributes, it's no surprise he can avoid becoming the gods' bitch, he learned from the best.

>>54802477
Tyranid shrikes and sky slashers dont have models. Red terror is an old metal model, I doubt you could even get that either. Or rending claws for a hive tyrant.

>>54802646
i´ve heard they take long, is it really THAT bad?
any better websites you can recommend?

>>54802672
You seem to think I want a Horus model. I don't give a fuck about Chaos faggotry. I'm just stating what's going to happen.

>>54802648
>Sanguinius falls to the black rage and must must be killed by the Emperor
That is how bestboy will die under the BLcucks

>>54802381
The stormcast really look cool. Why are they hated again?

>>54802677
You mean like the Night Lords. And the Black Legion.

>>54802662
>Abaddon accelerated the process.

Oh, so his real space campaign did have a purpose?

>"but in time..."

So why even bother corrupting people and shit, when the dark gods can just sit back and do nothing, letting reality crumble away?

>>54802670
Alright, thanks anon.

>>54802657
The techmarine and dreadnought entries were updated though so are Autocannon dreads and conversion beamers techmarine dead?

>>54802689
That's why they won't be in the codex, anon. The indexes are the containment books for all that old legacy shit that GW has to keep supporting so they don't get bitched out by fans with old models but doesn't really care about.

>>54802648
>Abaddon is in the end only loyal to himself
>Chaos cares not for his motivations
>Abaddon must kill all Chaos gods to win
>Abaddon through plot magic does that
>kills Emperor after
>Just as planned
>Emperor becomes new & therefore only Chaos God
>Chaos wins but Emperor hijacks Chaos
>Belakor cries to himself in the corner

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>>54802031
Whats with GW and this over design crap? You can't tell what the hell is that suppose to be.
Old models are far better, you can clearly see this is a Gargoyle

>>54802709
Night Lords don't build anything and seek to just scare weaklings. Black Legion is the only one comparable

>>54802647
You already got AP and flamers.

Plasma is very unreliable.if you want to hit hard targets go lascannon or conversion beamer. Otherwise, go full rip and tear mode with double fists since fast melee is not TS specialty.

>>54802707
Fantasyfags are very bitter and after years of laughing at space marines got space marine'd themselves.

>>54802719
You can use the wargear options from the indexes, apparently.

>>54802710
>o why even bother corrupting people and shit,

It's literally explained in the rulebooks. When the Chaos Gods get bored of the Great Game, they use Real Space as a temporarily distraction. When their amusement is spent they return to the Great Game.

>>54802694
sure boy, real convincing

>>54802727
You can also clearly see that it looks like ass. Old models are great for clarity, terrible for display.

>>54802727
Bard pls

>>54802727
>ou can't tell what the hell is that suppose to be.
It's a big guy in a mask, with a chainsaw scythe and some robes and big insect wings and armour. What's difficult about that?

>>54802719

There are a few options that are missing in the codex that appear in the index: why is that? Does that mean I can’t use these models in my army anymore?
While the indexes are designed to cover a long history of miniatures, the codexes are designed to give you rules for the current Warhammer 40,000 range. There are a few options in the indexes for some Characters and vehicles that are no longer represented in the Citadel range – certain Dreadnought weapons that don’t come in the box, or some characters on bikes, for example.
Don’t worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models. In these instances, use the datasheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons (currently, also in the index).
They still gain all the army wide-bonuses for things like Chapter Tactics and can use Space Marines Stratagems and the like, so such venerable heroes still fit right in with the rest of your army.

>>54802727
Except it looks like shit.

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>>54802552
So, They'll pull the it was Sephiroth all along? And turn Abadabadoo into Horus?

>>54802724
I remember reading somewhere that Abaddon would likely just straight up break up with the gods via text if he wins and would just name himself the new Emperor and keep Imperiuming.

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>>54802748

>>54802707
Because they are garbage.
Army of generic dudes made by a god who used a metal named after himself to make. Literally no character to them. It's the oldcron but actually not good.

>>54802552
>implying Abaddon didn't already kill a physically perfect clone of Horus

>>54802771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A

Alright anons, you get to field 1 Character from other faction in your army. Who do you pick?

Hard Mode: no Guilliman

>>54802779
Abbadon is literally no different than the Emperor except for execution. Emperor tries to keep Chaos a secret and ruined everything, where Abbadon doesn't beat around the bush, acknowledges Chaos, and uses it as a weapon but doesn't let it control him.

>>54802779
Yeah, and subsequently get Khornes flaming sword up his ass for doing so.
Really, Abaddon simply outwilling and abandoning the Chaos Gods would be one of the most ridiculous things to happen.

>>54802707
They represent the death of an entire loved game in the form of Warhammer Fantasy and the sharp change in direction from traditional , classic fantasy to nu-kiddie fisher price models and fluff geared towards children and video gamers.

>>54802779
Yes. Abaddon seeks to create a Dark Imperium while the Gods wish to undo reality itself.

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>>54802779
It's in ADB blogposts/forum posts. Abaddon and Chaos Gods want different things. Abaddon wants to rule the Imperium while the Chaos Gods want to destroy reality. At the end of the road there will be a reckoning between them. Moriana told Abaddon that the Chaos Gods will destroy Abaddon for his future betrayal.

>>54802707
Some don't want 40k in their Fantasy but besides being big armour people, they're a lot more like Necrons with emotions or Einherjar.

>>54802779
This kind of means that if Abby wins, Chaos loses their best Champion. I think that should be an area of focus.

>>54802810
If people loved Warhammer Fantasy they would have played it and it wouldn't have died and been replaced. So. Tough titties dude, stop bitching in the 40k thread, we don't care about your dead game and your pathetic cuck envy of the people who play its replacement which is still just as inferior to 40k.

>>54802771
>>54802768
>>54802753
>being this new

>>54802808
How would Khorne do this exactly? Without the Chaos Legions acting as their agents in real space the Gods' influence there would be significantly weakened. If the gods could directly strike at people who screwed them over in the physical realm the Emperor wouldn't have lasted this long,

>>54802805
Who's the best fighter in the game?
Obviously that since any command buffs would be useless

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>>54802802
>physically perfect
But anon, he looks nothing like pic related.

>>54802727
It's a grotesque, not a gargoyle. Gargoyles direct water from rooftops.

>>54802808
So? Look at AoS, where Archaon cucks the Chaos Lords, making people worship him in their stead, but since he's still working for them, however technically, they can't stop giving him their blessings.
And I could totally see them pulling the same shit on Abaddon.

>>54802852
Probably Magnus.

>>54802859
>lots of green and purple
>bug wings
Who does this remind me of,,,,,

>>54802819
inb4 Abaddon becomes humanity's last, best hope against the tide of Chaos.

>>54802845
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>54802841
Really fucking outdated models and ridiculous start up costs man.
Imagine having to paint 30 ork boys for every faction.

>>54802882
>still being new

>>54802850
It was a figure of speech. He wouldn't get up from his throne, take his sword and ram it up his ass.
But he sure as hell would send every daemon available to kill Abaddon, as would probably the other gods. And with all the fighting and warpstorms that would happen when Abaddon actually conquers Terra and kills the Emperor, they probably wouldn't have much trouble sending their best after him.

>>54802727
Dunno. That looks like a Bloodthirster to me.

>>54802841
People did play it.

The problem was that it was an intelligent game that took skill and thought to play. There was far less ability therefore for games workshop to release 'killer' new units for it for the fan base to buy mindlessly in droves because units like that didn't really work in fantasy.

GW realised it would be easier to spoon feed shitty oversized models with baby rules to children, so killed a classic loved game for it. Which is obviously their choice but still a sad shame and why a lot of people hate sigmarines.

Likewise Warhammer Total War has or at least would have repopularised the game because of how popular it js, which now nobody can play because it's dead. GW really are this stupid.

Helbrutes look like utter shit, how much shit would I get from people for taking a venerable dreadnought and converting it for my army?

>>54802888
>Imagine having to paint 30 ork boys for every faction
But all the factions I play are like that already

>>54802915
>Since fucking when?

Realm of Chaos you stupid fuck.

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>>54802866
Kinda irrelevant but I really think Archaon could have been done better as a fallen hero. You've got people like Sigmar saying that he could have been a figure of justice but I don't think he's done so well. I find Arthas to be a better done fallen hero & that may be because we saw him slowly descend across a game than a backstory.

>>54802916
Helbrutes look awesome, they're a relatively recent sculpt, the fuck are you talking about?

>>54802779
might be what he wants but they can strait up turn him into spawn if they want to.

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>>54802916
>how much shit would I get from people for taking a venerable dreadnought and converting it for my army?
None, hopefully, since Chaos Boxnaughts were a thing. A glorious thing.

>>54802910
Remember when WTW linked you to a dead WHF link?
GW stupidity is only surpassed by their fanatic consumers, that GW take for granted.

>>54802031
Shouldn't he have said "Yeah, of COURSE I've got maggots in my ears"?

>>54802898
Would the new Chaos god Emperor do that?

>>54802866
correct thats why the anon thinking horus would come back is wrong. there is no escaping abaddon

>>54802916
>want to play Chaos Space Marines
>think the quintessential Chaos Space Marine aesthetic "looks like shit"
Unless you play Iron Warriors, there is no excuse for this retardation. If you play Iron Warriors, I'd still wonder why you're asking about the Venerable Dread and not the Ironclad Dread.

>>54802954
I run three of them in my Iron Warriors 30k army as contemptors and I've run them in 40k games too as venerables. Nobody gives a shit.

>>54802965
Except AoS didn't have a Horus analogue.

>>54802876
Perfection

>>54802948
That's not how it works. You have to pledge your soul to Chaos for them to be able to do that, he's just made various pacts with them. He basically rules lawyered himself into the top job.

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>>54802916
Sure. It would just be a Ferrum Infernus.

>>54802977
No, no, nowadays Chaos is invincible, spans the whole universe and all dimensions and the Chaos Gods are infinitely powerful, and nothing anyone does in the galaxy matters anyway.

>>54802591

Chaos God's aren't omnipotent, their power is limited.

>>54802977
>Then it was retconned you FAGGOT

Jesus Christ kill yourself, it was not.
Have you even read a rulebook you dumb cunt?

Why is there so much autistic chaos fluff discussion in the generals today. Jesus christ its so dull.

>>54802983
abaddon will become just like archaeon. I would literally prefer horus, but hes not coming back. I actually hope your right.

>>54802977
>Then it was retconned you FAGGOT, because for several editions it was said the Gods had already won because the galaxy was already a war-torn shithole which is what they wanted.

Nope, that was never a thing. Codex Imperalis which is the rulebook of 2nd said that Chaos will destroy reality and everything it it. The exact same text was copypasted word for word to every edition rulebook.

>>54802934
True enough. Arthas' morals and conscience going fuckways was pretty well done, not like those shoehorned hints that Archaon might yet redeem himself. No, he won't. He destroyed the world, there's no way to get further away from redeeming yourself.

>>54802995
Just wait a few seconds until Carnac shows up with dozens of quotes from BL books and very specific codices that will tell you that the gods are in fact omnipotent.

>>54802994
Of course it is, that's how they get to sell it as a credible threat and make the whole M42 seem like a thing we need to pay attention to. By 9th the problem will reduce and by 10th Chaos will be a whole different thing, once again.

>>54802943
I disagree with your opinion but I respect your right to have that opinion. The look of them just doesn't fit in with my Thousand Sons army and I feel like a converted venerable dread would look much better.

>>54802978
I enjoy a load of CSM stuff, I just can't get into the helbrutes specifically.

>>54802954
>>54802991
Thank you lads will be going ahead with this.

>>54803001
Because people freak out when other people reveal that Chaos' power level is much higher than their favourite faction's.

>>54803001
Chaosfags are cancer and everyone should refuse a game from them. At least till they play a non faggot faction.

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>>54803001

>>54802898
So it would be the greatest war against Chaos of all time with humanity united under Horus' truest son. I mean I'm not totally opposed to this.

>>54803033
^Eldar detected.

>>54802954
>>54802991
Jeez, Chaos boxnoughts are a mess.

>>54803041
keke let me fudge the numbers

>>54802943
>>54802978
helbrutes are cool but dont look tzeenchy at all for thousand sons, why the fuck would you just have a random dude being tortured in your army of sand people?

>>54803026
>Yes

I doubt it else you wouldn't ask stupid bullshit like;

>>Chaos wants to destroy reality
>Since fucking when?

So crack one open and get reading, retard.

>>54803041
first actually humorous use of this meme.

>>54802978
I get so fucking annoyed how IW are always portrayed as covered in growths and chaos tentacles just like everyone else when they are all the time said to only use Chaos as a weapon and don't particularly worship any Gods

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Soon

>>54803020
If the fluff really does say that they are omnipotent why is Carnac a bad guy for citing sources that say so in a discussion about that very topic?

>>54802439
Girlyman and Hellblasters anon

>>54803020
Carnac is like the SJW of 40k lore. Love to spout out of context things.

>>54803001

Because Chaos fans actually care about lore to discuss it with each other?

Granted, good chunk of it is because Legions are only real remnant of Horus Heresy characters.

Can greenstuff go off? I found some I bought over a decade ago and never used and it still seems ok, but I don't wanna use some only for it to turn out to be shit

>>54803077

Never.

>>54803083
Except it is never out of context.

>>54803072
>they are all the time said to only use Chaos as a weapon and don't particularly worship any Gods

You don't need to worship the Gods to get mutations though. They live in the Eye of terror, so they should be crawling with mutations.

>>54803083
Anti Carnac fags are worse than Carnac himself because they won't shut up about him. Not only that but Carnac doesn't even have a tripcode so any time people mention him I'm convinced it's just false flagging retards

>>54803057
>Hello my Lord, as you know I serve ever at your will. I have discovered a spell that will greatly enhance your powers.

>Oh what do you mean I locked you in a sarcophagus that keeps you from using your powers? Oh are you going insane? Oh I guess I'll have to take over command of the warband now.

>>54803052
Forgeworld ones were great.

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>>54803020
>until Carnac shows up
He's been here since like >>54802306 and >>54802381

>>54803102
This. Chaos worship has nothing to do with whether you get mutated by living in the literal Warp.

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>‘You do not just mean forming a new warband. You mean a new Legion. A new war.’

>His gaze never left mine. I felt it holding my eyes to his, felt the ambitious heat of fevered thoughts.

>‘A new war,’ he agreed. ‘The real war. We were born for battle, Khayon. We were made to conquer the galaxy, not to rot here in Hell and die upon our brothers’ blades. Who are the architects of the Imperium? Who fought to purge its territory of aliens and expand its borders? Who brought rebellious worlds to heel and slaughtered those who refused the light of progress? Who walked from one side of the galaxy to the other, marking their passage in a trail of traitorous dead? This is our Imperium. Built across the worlds we burned, over bones we broke, with the blood we shed.’

>What stunned me most was not his passion, nor even his ambition, though both were breathtaking in their scope. No, what stunned me more than anything else was his motive. I had expected a failure’s bitterness, not a champion’s idealism. He did not want vengeance, whether it was petty or ultimately justified. He wanted what was ours by right. He wanted to shape the Imperium’s future.

>‘You see it, too,’ he said, baring his teeth in a snarling grin. Like the rest of the Justaerin, his teeth were engraved with Cthonian runes of fortitude and resolve. They seemed very apt all of a sudden, in the smile of a pilgrim returning to his people to become a crusader. ‘You feel it now, don’t you?’

>‘A new war,’ I said slowly, softly. ‘One not born of bitterness nor founded on revenge.’

>>54802338
Thats hilarious considering the very next post is 5 lines of swearing from him because he noticed the gold fingers and red bleed on the gun.

>>54803077
>>54803096
If they brought back GSC it's just a matter of time really

>>54803113
They were goofy as hell.

>>54803083
Also, he has no problems of promoting one quote above all else, even when other quotes in the same book contradict it.

>>54803116
That isn't Carnac. Nice mutilators though, post more

>>54803117
>>54803102
But it also talks about how IW cut off mutations and replace them with Bionics

>>54803125
He looks different without the topknot.

>>54803138
Some mutations aren't simple to amputate.

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>>54803125
>Abaddon nodded. ‘The Long War, Khayon. The Long War. Not a petty rebellion swallowed by Horus’s pride and his hunger for the Terran Throne. A war for the future of mankind. Horus would have sold the species to the Pantheon for the chance to sit on the Golden Throne for a single heartbeat. We cannot allow ourselves to be used the way he was. The Powers exist and we can’t pretend otherwise, but nor can we allow a sacred duty to devolve into such weakness, as Horus did.’

-Talon of Horus

Abaddon did nothing wrong. You got to have a really twisted logic for not supporting Abaddon.

>>54803102
It's pretty strongly implied to be a matter of willpower. It's why Alpha Legion and Night Lords of are so mutation free.

>>54803116
>>54803111
Carnac has a very specific style of writing and arguing. Hard to miss, desu.

>>54803125
Why is he in power armour here? Hasn't he always worn terminator armour?

>>54803132
That's every dreadnought

>>54803125
> ‘One not born of bitterness nor founded on revenge.’
do chaosfags actually eat this shit up ?

>>54803148
>Ask a retarded question
>I-i-it was rhetorical okay

Fuck of you bandy legged piece of dog shit.

>>54802639
Didn't Goulding stop working for the company a while ago, thereby making him theoretically unsuitable as a whipping-boy for current events?

>>54803161
like a teenage girl he took a year off to find himself.

>>54803111
It's not, it's oldfags who know how to immediately recognize his autistic speech patterns. He always types the same way. Once you've seen carnac destroy a thread once you can tell when it's him. He's here shitting things up right now, that's why people keep bringing him up.

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>>54803135
Trust me, it is.

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>>54803148
>Someone didn't read the 7th edition one.

I did. It has the same exact wording as the Codex Imperialis

>>54803175
correct

>>54803161
In the novel he's basically a crazed hermit who wears a mishmash suit of power armour. He only puts on his Justaerin plate and the Talon when he goes to take on the Horus clone lab.

>>54803156
>You got to have a really twisted logic for not supporting Abaddon.

Or have some taste.

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>>54803052
They could be pretty cool.

>>54803175
He did. HOWEVER, he said that the course is set. He said that he, like any diligent employee, has finished up all the HH. All of is written down or is in draft mode. All that remains is releasing them in the coming year. He told us that the replacement guy wouldn't have much work to do. He just needs to follow the path he set up for the HH.

Likely a stupid question from 40k noob.

I have the marines from the boxed set dark millennium and I'm fighting people.

How do you get these guys around? As far as I can tell they aren't allowed in any vehicles, so I am just continually running for the first few turns to get into combat.

>>54802880
Man, that would actually manage to be even more retarded then 'Malekith did no wrong and deserves to be King of the Elves'.
I'm suddenly rooting for 40k to one-up Fantasy in this regard.

>>54803180
Prove it.

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Emperor is a faget and probably a corpse as well, tell me why i should give him any attention

Chaos doesn't give a shit. Squat in the Eye of Terror long enough and shit is going to get weird. Even the machines get fucked up by it.

Where is Malal?

Do you say "Abbadon" as "Abba-Don" or "A-bad'n"

>>54803231
gw wants you to buy the grav tank, that can transport them.

>>54802819
ADB didnt come up with that, Abaddon wanting to rule the Imperium instead of destroying it has been his thing since forever.

>>54803231
If you mean Dark Imperium then they can use the Repulsor.

>>54803246
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon

>>54803251
he's doing a pretty bad job at that

>>54803244
inb4 Abaddon is actually a Malal worshipper.

>>54803268
>M-My question really was rhetorical
>P-please believe me

Pathetic.

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>>54803156
>Abaddon did nothing wrong.
>"You see, when I sid- I mean USED the powers of the gods of war and murder, despair and disease, sorcery and treachery and pure, unadulterated hedonism to slaughter billions, if not trillions of people and forcing the Imperium into a state of constant war and chaos, so that any technological or social progress was nigh impossible and I indirectly forced whole systems into slavery just to fight my armies or produce ammunition, or just murder each other to satisfy the perverse need of some warp thingy, I was actually the good guy."
t. Abaddon

>>54803156
>dad was a chaoscuck who got used in an attempt to destroy the imperium
>welp better try to destroy the imperium with the help of my new chaos friends !

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This chaos wank is getting boring fast

>>54803238
>Squat in the Eye of Terror long enough and shit
I'm not sure if I'm imagining a Chaos Squat or some /d/ shit.

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How different are the new codexes from the indexes, apart from the extra stuff (stratagems, powers etc) ?

>>54803246
That "proper" pronunciation is uh-bad-uhn

So I have a question. The way I understand it you still can only deploy half your units in reserve. Do units embarked in transports count as being deployed on the table or do they take away from your possible reserves?

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>>54802031
Goddamnit gents, that model makes me really want to start a Death Guard army now, but I swore I wouldn't get army ADD until my orks are tabletop and playable. Plus I'm already late to the Konor party.

What do, /tg/?

>>54803297
everytime you post a chaosfag starts collecting

>>54803300
I imagined a slav in a Black Legion coloured Adidas tracksuit.

>>54803220
>He just needs to follow the path he set up for the HH.
I suddenly want his replacement to refer to Goulding as 'weak' and 'a fool'.

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>>54803292
>4th
>has reused art from Age of Sigmar

Still pretending to be retarded?

>>54803297
I agree. The salt when they lose Konor will be great though.

>>54803297
You'd prefer Guardwank?

>>54803319
They will need all the help. Since they can't win a single planet in Fag of Kocks

>>54803246
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on4DJbsSK3k

>>54803297
>everyone stop having discussions with each other about mutual interests, talk about what I want to talk about

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>>54803318
don't abandon your boyz

Is purchasing models a good idea if I'm moving to a place where 40k isn't played?

Studies suggest the answer is no. What does /40kg/ think?

>>54803344
every time a chaos fag posts some kid paints an intercessor its over. what army do you play

>>54803340
We lost Konor since day one. There is no impact to what's already known.

>>54802053
I need an image of the Tallyman and some Custodes so I can make a Tally Me Banana joke.

>>54803369
If you like the models enough, you will.

>>54802541
They just send in the Warp Talons and laugh as the Reivers fail their moral checks.

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>>54802289
Thank you anon, I haven't laughed that hard in a while

>>54803369
If you like painting then why not.

If you basecoat and wash then no.

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>>54803392

>>54803388
>It was rhetorical, I swear!
>If I can just get the last word, that'll prove I was right!

Sad.

>>54803336
So is Aenerion among Aelfs? Surely he'd be among the elf souls gobbled up.

>>54803311
Broadly similar. But there are lots of small differences especially in points.

>>54803340
>Giving a fuck about a rigged campaign


I'm hype for the codex, new Death guard, and couldn't give two shits how Konor ends

>>54802268
Bullshit. He only gets two S3 shots

>>54803342
There is none. There are Guard players that post pics and people complain. The only "wank" is 1 guy.

>>54802381
>that one doofus leading with his weapon instead of his shield

>>54802910

> There was far less ability therefore for games workshop to release 'killer' new units for it for the fan base to buy mindlessly in droves because units like that didn't really work in fantasy.

I don't know which edition of Fantasy you played but 8th ed was deathstars, deathstars, or more deathstars. 40 Witch Elves with Cauldron, Hellebron and Level 4. Alarielle with 40 White Lions with Banner of the World Dragon and Everqueen's Banner. Skullcrushers. I fucking loved Fantasy and I still play it, but I don't pretend it was a highfalutin strategic genius game for geniuses that scrubs just didn't understand man.

>>54803436
>defeated

Dream scenario

> DG Termies build Grave Guard, or Death Shroud, and Typhus is a bits upgrade on the sprue
> DG Plague Marines build either all bolters, melee variants, or heavy bolter, auto cannon, or flamer, plus tallyman upgrades are on the sprue as a a sergeant.
> Mortarion has 2 or 3 head options

Too bad none of this will be true.

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>tfw Chaosfag
>can't stand the old ass standard CSM models
>not nearly rich enough to do something like convert the raptor models into chaos marines
>not interested in a monogod list
>tfw forced to play a faction other than my favourite

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>>54803318
Join us, brother! The dark gods await!

>>54803125

And yet in his Night Lords books ADB says "It would have the act of a great leader to laugh" when Abaddon shoots Talos, and when a similar standoff happens in the next book, Huron does just that and laughs it off. ADB can't even keep his chaoswanking consistent.

Look like GW really want people to get that Talon of the Emperor box set.

Nice try, but I'd rather buy more Burning of Prospero.

>>54803486
>Not buying BoP kit and then bashing them with CSM kit for maximum non squatting CSM that look great

>>54802234
>>54802268
>>54802338
Thanks for the love.
I already noticed the hands and gun THE MOMENT I posted that shot and fixed them. Here's a before and after shot for y'all.

PS I wasn't here

>>54803486
Buy loyalists and desecrate them?

What legion are you chaosbros?

>>54803476
>He saw right through me
>BUT I CAN STILL GET THE LAST WORD DAMMIT

Not today, fuckboi.

>>54803493
>bah! Campaign does not matter
>after weeks of crying about it
Yeah right

>>54803496
In the following line it was said that Abaddon was smart enough to realise that such a display wouldn't work.

Also ADB said he regrets the way he wrote the Abaddon parts in the Night Lords series. He would rewrite them if he can go back in time. He plans to redeem himself in the Black Legion series.

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>>54803519

>>54803484
>and Typhus is a bits upgrade on the sprue
>implying they'll miss a chance to shove a 45€ thypus model down our throats

>>54803551
>implying typhus won't come in a triumverate pack with morty and abadabadoo

>>54803484
We already saw the plague marine profile. There are no heavy bolters or autocannons, and they have plague belchers instead of flamers now.

>>54803484
> DG Termies build Grave Guard, or Death Shroud,
Possible, but I think we're only getting one type of Terminator

>and Typhus is a bits upgrade on the sprue
Lol not happening.

> DG Plague Marines build either all bolters, melee variants,
Definitely happening. Plague Knives are melee weapons :)

>or heavy bolter, auto cannon, or flamer,
We're probably getting a melta, plasma, flamer and the new snotgun (forgot its name)

>plus tallyman upgrades are on the sprue as a a sergeant.
Doubt it. He'll probably be a single model Elite choice.

> Mortarion has 2 or 3 head options
I think he'll have multiple heads

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>>54803519

>>54803167
When will loyalists learn that the Emperor is the real bad guy?

>‘Your offer will not be in my interests. There is little of any Legion in what remains to us, Warmaster. I no longer believe we will be the death of the Imperium. I no longer believe we are true to our fathers. Corruption has its claws deep within many of us.’

>‘Then why do you still fight?’ Abaddon’s glower remained, his teeth clenched and his eyes raw in their open glare.

>‘Because I have nothing else. I was born to fight, and forged in the fires of war. I am Astartes. I fight because it is right that we fight. The Emperor abandoned the Great Crusade, and demanded humanity pave the way for His ascension to godhood. I don’t expect to topple Him from the Golden Throne, but such hubris, such evil, must always be opposed.’

>>54803511
I literally ran out of data with this post. I blame Chaos.

>>54803570
>I-it works both ways
>I-I'm r-r-rubber and you're g-glue

You're not getting the last word you cuck.

>>54803550
DG or WB I guess, both make great use of renegades which I feel go hand in hand with both legions.

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>>54803519

>>54803519
Primarily Iron Warriors, but I've been having a hankering for Night Lords after reading their trilogy. I've been an Iron Warriors player since sixth, but something about the NLs Legion tactics and the viability of Warp Talons has stirred something up in me. I've read basically every Iron Warriors book, but Soul Hunter and the rest of the Night Lord books suddenly make me sympathize much more with them than I do with my own Iron Warriors.

Plus the new Purterabo book that came out a month or so ago has left my faith in the Iron Warriors pretty shaken. It's like the various authors that write stories involving the Iron Warriors have never read each others work.

>>54803591
There's no melta or flamer. Flamers are replaced with plague belchers and plague spewers.

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>>54803486
Then just play DG or 1ksons for those sweet modern sculpts

>>54803543
>>54803467
>when the bait game so weak it's embarrassing.

>>54803509
tfw even before primaris the BoP marines were giving me height anxiety

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>>54803519
Thousand Sons.

>>54803499
You know they win both ways, right?

>>54803318
I'm building two 100 pl starter set armies myself, death guard and Primaris. Nice and budget friendly and gives me two armies to play with. Mortarion is just icing on the cake as I can have a primarch to counteract girlyman if I decide to go that direction .

>>54803641
I'm a blegionfag, they were the first kit I bought when I was like 10 and the first army I collected, if I'm going back to my spirit animal army I'm going back to the one I actually want to play.

>SMfags arguing that Guilliman is not broken.

So how was your day, /40kg/?

>>54803547

Fair, though I think it could have been worded less ambiguously if that's truly the intended reading.

>Abaddon might have laughed. It would have been the act of a great leader to laugh, to humour a lesser warrior, to bring him around to his own way of thinking through persuasion and empathy - even were it all false. But Abaddon was not such a leader. He was shrewd enough, at least, to guess Talos would never be fooled."

Not surprised ADB wants to rewrite the Abaddon bits, as it is he makes Huron seem a great deal more credible as a leader.

>>54803519
Death Guard until the regular chaos gets better models, then I'll Iron some Warriors

>>54803696
He isn't though. You just have to play around him.

>>54803615
What are you, a seven year old?

>>54803661
Magnus likes gay sex

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>>54803519
Galaxy's Loudest.

>>54803710
What are you, a shit-licker?

>>54803707
That used to be my opinion but I'm starting to wonder.

I certainly think you CAN play around him, but just because it's possible doesn't mean he isn't overpowered in terms of how much of a disadvantage you're at to succeed when doing that.

>>54803737
I feel like all the Primarchs are somewhat intended to be broken.

>>54803699
I always chalked it up to it being an earlier stage of the 40k fluff, back then they still didn't get that if Abaddon was going to be a credible main villain he had to be competent. I'm pretty sure that was back when the Black Crusades were all just him failing repeatedly.

>>54803718
At least it's space-Egyptian, psychic gay sex rather than normal imperial boring gay sex.

>>54803706
>until the regular chaos gets better models
You mean until Chaos Primaris come out?

>>54803519
Word Bears

>>54803718
Everyone enjoys happy sex

>>54803707
>Stronger than a Knight in melee
>More buffy than a Lieutenant and a Captain
>+3 Command Point bonus
>Comes back after dying
>Can't be targeted because lol!Character

All of this is what makes him strong. Hell give him +1 W for feee just to remove his untargetable nature and I'd say probably he's balanced.

>>54803756
Yeah which means they shouldn't be allowed in fucking matched play. There should be a Primarch keyword and model's with it should be straight up banned from games with points.

>>54802031
>Smaller than Magnus
Kek, we're just going to have papa smurf sized primarchs with a huge magnus

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>>54803511

God I fucking hate chaos as a faction
>lmao we actually won the heresy because fuck you co stant war that was gonna happen anyways
>ayy lmao chaos already won every conflict ever because lmao entropy or some shit
>blood crusades cannot fail because lmao destruction is our only goal
>we want the universe to stay in it's its current state this week but next week we want to destroy it lmao

>>54803770
If they shared the general aesthetic of the Raptors and DV Chosen I would not be even slightly opposed.

>>54803157
>Night Lords of are so mutation free
They are not. But strong will power will help you stay in human form, they dont give in but there is toll to be paid if you are buddy buddy with chaos.

>>54803696
He's more broken than Riptide wings ever were.

>>54803785
Agreed. Same with apocalypse level Titans. But GW knows this will lower sales which is why they made escalation and legal superheavies

>>54803783
>>+3 Command Point bonus

+4, thanks to Super-Heavy Auxiliary.

>>54803787
Tbf tho Magnus could sizeshift even before becoming a Daemon

>That one time Magnus grew to the size of a Titan to wrestle it? Fun times.

>>54803803
Woah, no, that's a massive overexaggeration.

Nothing in 8th edition is as broken as Riptide Wings.

Jesus christ how quickly we all forget what a worthless fucking SHITSHOW the last edition was.

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I desperately would love to buy and use this.

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Just received a dinobot for my birthday, but can't decide if I should use it as a mauler- or a forgefiend. Which one have people had the most luck with/gotten the most use out of this edition?

>>54803794
>lmao we actually won the heresy because fuck you co stant war that was gonna happen anyways
>ayy lmao chaos already won every conflict ever because lmao entropy or some shit
>blood crusades cannot fail because lmao destruction is our only goal
>we want the universe to stay in it's its current state this week but next week we want to destroy it lmao

Nobody actually believes that beside that incompetent fuck weasel Aaron Dembski-Bowden.

>>54802620
to sell more models

with the fate of the ultramar system