Why are fantasy designs always so busy and messy?

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>>54796818
Designers like to overdesign, even when the simple stuff looks fine

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>>54796818

Some people just never learn how to stop drawing.

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>tfw authentic and simple historical armour is like ecstasy

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>>54796818

>>54796840
Would rather the tyrant king wear that gay armor than the cool armor desu

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>>54796818
>Why are fantasy designs always so busy and messy?

I'm gonna go with Miyazaki on this one since I think his work backs up his words:
Designers and Concept Artists don't typically design things based on the real world or how they'd actually function, they overcompensate and make a lot of garbage that lacks both function and simplicity.

Good design is simple.
A lot of designers are taught about, "strong outlines" and they take it far too fucking literally, making really outlandish, clunky, exaggerated imagery that can't exist within context, let alone outside of it.

That woman who does Dungeon Meshi is also a really great example of "simple & practical" being best.

>>54796829
>pic related

That's literally the point of the art direction for Darksiders you faggot.

>>54796940

That doesn't make it good

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>>54796951
Just because you're so autistic that you can't enjoy other styles doesn't make the style bad. Joe Mad's art is designed to be a mixture of western superhero comic books and the over the top style of his favorite Japanese mangas. The fact that you dislike it has no relevance to it's quality.

I happen to prefer actual realistic armor myself, but the style of Darksiders was cohesive, coherent, and had a great level of attention to detail. Much as the artstyle of his other work.

>>54796818
Modern fashion. Only children wear clean designs. Im not joking. If you arnt in great physical shape and you wear a plain primary colored t-shirt and jeans you look like an autist.

>>54796828
You're not implying THAT isnt overdesigned compared to historical stuff, are you?

>>54797084
>modern fashion
>scandiminimalism is super hot and everything above streetwear-tier is generally going for clean lines and solid colours
>prints are >>OUT
Yeah that's not quite it, anon.

>>54797101
Nah mate, geek/band tees and superdry stuff are what people are wearing

>>54796932
>The smelly, googly-eyed, food-autistic dwarf actually looks kind of handsome with Chilchak's clothes on
Who allowed this?

Because you niggers can't seem to realize that "overdesigned" is not a thing. More detail and stuff going on = better looking. "Looking busy" is a good thing.

>>54797101
Yeah, but you're supposed to use non-conventional solids. If you saw a slightly overweight guy in a cherry-red cotton t-shirt, jeans, and sandals you'd assume he was on the spectrum.

You're right that graphics are out, but we're not even nearly post ironic-minimalist-patterns.

I also thought scandiminimalism applied mostly to zero saturation shit, i.e. white to grayscale, which is a totally different ballgame.

>>54796818
Because fantasy illustrators get paid mostly by the penstroke.

Due to a quirk in the compensation formula, however, they get bigger bonuses for drawing belt buckles than any other article of clothing. This has led to many fantasy character outfits being absolutely saturated with belts.

>>54796818
because they are meant to be visually entertaining, not visually pleasing, let alone practical

>>54797141
>"Looking busy" is a good thing.
fuck off, spirit of all the shitty useless middle managers of my past

>>54797033
>so autistic

>Proceeds to sperg out paragraphs

kys senpai

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>>54797110
Slicked back hair and a good shirt and pants can go a long way.

>>54797141
Looking too busy can be a detriment when it detracts from the subject of you illustration. The Nagash mini from AoS is a pretty good example of how a lack of restraint can make your design look like shit. There's so much going on in the mini that it mostly just looks like noise.

Ofc this is mostly a composition problem and can be solved with some better proportioning and color work.

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>not wanting to flaunt your superiority with fabulous things covering you and your steed
>wanting to look like some common peasant warrior

>>54797422

Sorry, but how is this in any way, shape, or form, "so much going on it looks like noise"? There's a few nice little details, but nothing overwhelming or anything to be considered "overdesigned".

>>54797344
His entire post is not even a single paragraph. You're a faggot.

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>>54797883
There's no center of focus and the color selection is complete ass because they all blend together. He's improved a lot by removing the extra spines on his back and choosing a more distinct color for the armor (though I'm not really a fan of bright red either)

>>54797422
I actually don't feel that model is too bad. A more amateur paint job would ruin it obviously, but it's easy to see all his limbs, his head, the blue shit flying around, and even the individual books at the bottom. It gets a little iffy at the back, but at the end of the day he's a massive centrepiece model, he should look impressive and intimidating. A better example would be that new eldar model.

>>54797909
Not denying that the other anon is a shitter, but that post is 1 paragraph followed by two sentences separate from said paragraph.

See:
Paragraph
noun
1.
a distinct section of a piece of writing, usually dealing with a single theme and indicated by a new line, indentation, or numbering.

>>54797828
You're missing the point, the issue is they add a bunch of shit that ruins functionality to kake it look cool. It's the thinks like huge pauldrons, awkward spikes, knives and belts and scarves and bottles hanging off places that with just get caught on shit, fall off or restrict movement. Armour can be made overly fancy to show status without effecting the wearers ability to do his job.

>>54796829
>pic related
Actually War is rather tame in terms of overdesign.
Hulky as fuck yes, but it has its centers the eyes are drawn to.

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>>54796818
The point is to be as far removed from reality as possible.

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>>54798183
>not having huge pauldrons and spikey bits for additional stabbing when you're ramming

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>>54796818
Because if they designed this (pic related), the client will probably want more "detail". I agree through I love simplicity.

>>54798310
>football pads with spikes placed on shoulders and gauntlets to be used as improvised weapons
bloodbowl's designs are pretty elegant and functional, all things considered

>>54796829
Darksiders was fine, but when they took the same guy to design Diablo3 thats when it went down the shitter.

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I blame it on most people's interactions with the fantasy genre involving anime and video games.

>>54796829
I've heard that criticism that War's too visually busy before. Was Zero Punctuation the origin for it?

Regardless, it seems like he works well in picture form. There might be an argument to be made that his design doesn't work when you're actually playing as him, when you're just watching motion and processing everything down into silhouettes. Personally, I didn't mind that about him. He's got a big, vaguely rectangular sword and everything he does in combat is relative to where that thing is moving. If he's not in combat, he's stomping around with big thick limbs, jumping and climbing. I think he works.

>>54798504
https://youtu.be/pyQ8KpQQbwA
Only good thing to come out of this movie desu

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The armour of a swedish 16th century king. Ornaments and other displays of wealth can be so much more than gaudy, exaggerated shit.

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>>54796818
This thread needs more stylin-ass armour.

Of course, it's worth pointing out that the armour itself is practical and made of steel, which means that it's the accessories around the armour that are doing the heavy lifting, style-wise.

>>54798612
I love landknechten. They really were the warrior-dandies of the 16th century.

>>54796829
that looks quite fine, esp compared to, say, end times/age of sigmar

>>54798590
thing about that is that it is bascially just a perfectly normal (but well fitted) armour plus cool engravings and shit.

>>54797422
this mini is pretty fine, too
post some high-ranking sigmarine with ornaments on soles and every ab of armor

>>54798590
I liked shit like in the asoiaf books such as the knight of flowers armour. While still being functional it was ornamented wish saphires, forget-me-nots, engravings and was green dyed steel. It would be be a massive waste of monet when he gets struck and saphires fly everywhere but the point was to show off wealth, he could afford to to lose them and afford to have servants and squires to take care of his armour. It was not impractical, just extravagent.

>>54798566
Gas the greens
Horde War now

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what is the point of going to war if you're not gonna look your best?

>>54798633
Exactly. The detail is what makes it impressive, not an exaggeration of the shape itself.

>>54798689
Right. It's parade armour; it's meant to be shown off as it's no more practical than regular armour of the same quality. The display of wealth lies in the details; like the emperors of Rome wearing specific shades of red and purple which became synonymous with power due to the sheer cost of the dyes themselves. Purple is still a symbol of roman authority and is generally exclusive to bishops within the church.

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Rate this guy

>>54796828
This. A lot of them, and also of buyers do not make the difference between deisgned and overcharged, and simply think they have to add the biggest numebr of shit/details/glowing bullshit to a character before it can be taken seriously.

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If I had my external harddrive I'd spam my gallery of sexy armours now.
But I don't, so I can only request that other armourfags do.

>>54798741
If I raise my arms these spikes on my shoulders will poke me in the head/10

>>54798741
T H I C C

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>>54796818
I feel like every single time a point like this gets brought up someone should just link the Martin vs Tolkien rap battle. The genre is called FANTASY. It is about diverging from reality.

Also, there's a difference between detail and overdesign or mess. Pic related is detailed but not messy for overdesigned.

>>54797946
Holy fuck that paintjob actually made the mini kinda nice looking.

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>>54797828
You can differentiate the head honchos from the poorfags without covering them in raggedy bits of fur and leather biker gear

Check this out

>>54799711
That's boring af though

>>54799711
>Every single armor design must either be a Late-Roman/Saxon Soldier, Full plate from 16th century Germany/Sweden or a landskecht.

>Absolutely nothing is allowed to be overly fantastical at all.

Literally the most boring stance on everything ever. Do you argue that Dragons are unrealistic?

>>54799576
You can exaggerate and still have a solid aesthetic, as long as you have a strong artistic vision. The issue is wanton overdesign that's little more than a product of the artist not knowing when to stop drawing.

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>>54799832
You sound like an /ic/ faggot.

Here is Engra Deathsword, Factually the best picture ever convinced to show the Aesthetics of the Warriors of Chaos.

I guess he's overdesigned because he's not some retard in chainmail though right?

>>54799866
That looks like messy, uncoordinated garbage, yes.

>>54798741
Is he being punished for raisding his arms too much?

How bad is his BO?

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>>54799770
Whoa there anon, I didn't say any of that, I'm okay with fantastical designs, even real life armor can get pretty wacky sometimes, just I don't like them when they're unneccessarily busy or hard to follow.

>>54799866
Did you just skip the first half of my post, anon? 40k is generally fine because it's very deliberate exaggeration of both proportions and gothic imagery.

>>54799911
I think you use words like "Hard to follow" like this guy uses "Messy" >>54799909

You use buzzwords when you see something overly complex and think that's bad. it's like the moron earlier who said Joe Mad's designs are "Messy" when he's got some of the cleanest lineart ever invented by man.

You know not everything has to be drawn to be realistic, at all.

>>54799921
That's Fantasy though bro.

>>54799921
>>54799866
Kek, just realised that's not even 40k, it's WHFB.

Same point still stands, especially since WHF is a loving pastiche of fantasy.

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>>54796840
I'm all for realistic armor, but a shapeless mail hauberk isn't what I'd consider cool.

>>54799950
It doesn't really draw the line though does it.

People whine about the Nagash model and tons of other "modern" gripes when things like the Engra Deathsword picture are what? 12 years old now?

Some people don't find realistic armor very fun for their not so realistic fantasy settings and this meme that everything not a Hauberk and some pants is somehow "Messy" and "Not focused" needs to die off.

>Too busy
>Hard to follow
>The color scheme hurts my eyes
>Oh no, my epilepsy strikes
>No focus point

I've never seen this many legitimately retarded people in one thread before. Get your fucking eyes checked or just stop being faggots.

>>54797344
you sure showed him anon

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If you guys are so cool then explain why this is overdesigned.

Hard mode: You can't sound autistic.

>>54799992
It's especially funny when it's directed to Joe Mad.

Who is very fucking good at Focus points and making simple designs with complex details.

>>54798612
>is that a motherfucking JoJo reference?

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>>54800037
That's not overdesigned, that looks cool

You can have fantastical and unrealistic designs without going full retard and covering everything in belts and chains and spikes and random bits of fur

>>54800139

This design looks boring and it somehow conveys that the author is afraid of trying or following the leader too hard. Just like those realistic first person shooters, all that brown and grey gets mashed it turns into a bowl of shit not worth remembering.

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>people hating overdesigned fantasy armor
How does it feel to be gay? Next thing you say is that you hate fuckoff greatswords with runes and spikes.

>>54800037
Other than maybe having difficulty raising his arms that armor is awesome and I love it.

>>54797946
I have literally no idea what you're talking about. A face always provides a center of focus, and the blended colors contrast with the teal-colored magic.

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>>54799599
I knew it couldn't be this simple, he removed the back spikes. Still a shit mini.

>>54797422
>>54800490

This mini does have a center of focus, it's the torso. Color contrast with the blue and the white, and then the spikes, bonegoatee, and front spine(???) all seem to point to it. Granted, that's not a great center of focus, but there is one

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>>54796932
>Designers and Concept Artists don't typically design things based on the real world or how they'd actually function
Yeah, the thing isn't that armor or whatever is supposed to be realistic, it's fantasy after all. It's supposed to at the very least look practical, and ideally be practical if it ever existed. Historically people did a lot of stupid things to decorate themselves or distinguish themselves, but that meant that either the armor was ceremonial and never meant for battlefield use, or the decorations were "practical" in that they didn't inhibit movement.

Let's look at Fishface over here for example, and imagine how an incompetent and a competent artist would draw him if he were a fantasy character. An incompetent artist would probably make the fish part of his helmet, fully metal and heavy enough to snap a man's neck. A more competent artist would make the fish out of lighter material than the actually important part of the helmet and possibly make it detachable in one way or another. It's supposed to make a certain nobleman easily recognizable to his friends and his foes even when fully armored, a competent artist would realize this goal and get that a helmet can achieve that without making that fish heavy and sturdy. If a few arrows whiz through it or the fish is cut in half by an enemy, big whoop. It can be replaced, unlike a neck.

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>>54800589

>>54800037
Pauldrons are bad for lifting his arms, and the spear crossbar is badly angled to the point that it would actually be a hindrance.

9/10 looks badass.

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Why can't Easterners design good armors, like this Western design?

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A little touch of paint can take you a far way

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>>54800904
>"Haha, that guy painted a skeleton on his armor! That's so incredibly silly and something that would never happen in real life because it's a waste of effort and nobody would be this retarded in real life!"
>Suddenly remember that guy who had profane handgestures sculpted into his armor rather than making profane handgesturs himself

>>54797289
I thought the belt thing was because of that one guy who did it ever so slightly back on 1997, got called out on how stupid it looked for a guy to wear two no-functional belts and then spent the next twenty years sextupling down out of spite.

>>54800037
If the pauldrons were slightly smaller and didn't raise up above the gorget it would be perfect. The moment he lifts his arms he's getting smacked in the face with his pauldrons.

>>54799866
Thing is, while it's obviously unrealistic and silly, down at the core of the image is some guy in very odd looking transitional plate with a barbute.

That in my opinion is the essence of GW's design ethos. Take reality, hook it up to PURE HEAVY METAL and then turn it up to eleven.

Meanwhile Blizzard has gone full-on-meta-retarded and I bet Metzen drew all his concept art in his own blood from snorting so much cocaine his nasal bone disintegrated.

>>54800990

Thats just like painting "ur a faget" in your balistic vest

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>>54800990
and that guy that had an AMAZING demonface painted on his sallet.
>tfw people scrubbed paint off armours to get them to look shiny in the early modern age

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Ignore pauldron posters, post helmets

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>>54800037
>that spearhead
For what purpose? Nothing stops you from over penetrating, and if you do then it gets stuck on over 150lbs+ of literally dead weight so it likely has to be discarded.

>>54801077
Good call mate.

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>>54801140
The armor itself is alright, but that spear. I just don't get it.

>>54801077
Brown, look at it. It's clearly a magical weapon.

I get the impression that you guys would complain about Stormbringer if Moorcock was writing today.

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How's this?

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>>54801263
Sexy is hwat

Dark Souls has some excellent armours, some based on historical ones.

>>54801067
shit man youre getting blood in the headdress

do you know how hard it is to wash that thing

youre gonna cut the hairs when you pull the sword out too

fuck

>>54797033
Aping a shitty style well doesn't mean it's good. The design is overall busy and does little to draw the eye.

Realistic- and historicalfags need to be purge. They're literaly the anti-fun police.

Armor has been on a slow but continual downslide since the end of the bronze age. Style began a slow death when iron was first used to make armor.

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>>54797084

>modern fashion
>monochrome clean cut era
>hyperminimalism

you don't know shit about fashion

>>54802209
Fuck off Metzen. Go fix your broken family which you abandoned for that WoW money.

>>54801028
While Metzen still drew artwork, it was all fairly proportionate. It wasn't until Samwise took over as Senior Art Director that everybody started taking a daily dose of steroid gas, and even then it wasn't until actual WoW development that it started to genuinely get out of hand.
Then there's the thing that Blizzard just started to hire out of their own god damn fanbase with deviantart tier artskills and fanfiction levels of writing abilities. Look up their documentaries on youtube. They even hired some dudes who did machinimas to be their cinematic directors, and while the mindset in itself is amazing, it is a slippery slope because it opens all kinds of wormcans.

>>54802209
Yeah, how dare they disagree with your tastes.

Nevermind the people in this thread that have repeatedly said it's not total realism they're in favour of, just excessively busy overdesign that they're against.

>>54802291
Man, we get it. Chris Boi is a cu-ray-zee dude, and still I'd much rather hang out with him than with you. Fuck, I'd actually let Chris be my DM for an evening.

>>54802302
>Samwise
Oh man, I wish the cyberpunk future was here, so I could get my Johnson to hire some cyberninjas to bring me Samwise's head.

>>54800490
>>54799599
>>54797946

It's the same thing with the skaven's stormfiend. If you remove the idiotic tubes on the back, and the jar fetuses, the mini looks nice.

>>54802304

The people are talking about realism, majority of what they post is real armor with a floppy bit on the side.

>>54802400
The people have been mostly talking about unnecessary detail, and they've been using real armor because it's the easiest example of something understated to work with.

I'm well in the camp of hating it when some tosser suggests that sticking a surcoat over a mail hauberk makes it cool, but this doesn't seem to be that crowd.

Diablo 1 was the objective peak of Blizzard's art, everything before was leading up to it, everything after has been a decline.

>>54802304
Thing is the term "excessive" is just so vague. What is excessive to the one is barely enough for the other, so the only somewhat graspable metric is "Copied out of a museum" vs. "Not copied out of a museum".
In that regard, the whole discussion is simply destined to boil down to a "no, U!" shitflinging.

>>54802382
You can shit on the man all you want, he did a fantastic job. All those artworks you see in the Warcraft 3 scorescreen after a match are from his hand, and he's been crucial in developing a style that nowadays thousands if not millions curse as "that fucking WoW-look!"
While his latest artworks are lacking (jesus christ the cover for "Traveller" is downright atrocious compared to what they initially were advertising), he will always be the man. Also he's got a very good singing voice considering he probably never took lessons.

>>54802501
>Thing is the term "excessive" is just so vague. What is excessive to the one is barely enough for the other, so the only somewhat graspable metric is "Copied out of a museum" vs. "Not copied out of a museum".
>In that regard, the whole discussion is simply destined to boil down to a "no, U!" shitflinging.

Yeah, god forbid people expect you to be able to talk about the merits of your tastes like an adult without getting butthurt that they disagree with you. Would it help if they couched their posts in mealy mouthed terms meant to soften them like "in my opinion" or "I think," so you can be sure they think they're just opinion and you can dismiss them out of hand rather than evaluating your own tastes?

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>>54802453

Frankly, they probably did that so they could paint those cross thingies and maybe because the bare chainmail made chaffing on the belt that holds the sword? idk why they did that,personaly ifind it cute.

>>54802501
So, basically pic related?

>>54802576
I, too, would wish for such civility but really, on the internet? On 4Chan of all places? It's like rolling dices if you actually met such people in the same discussion, and then all it takes is one guy messing up and everybody just retaliates.

>>54802605
It's always that pic related, anon my dude.

>>54802658

I like both, but sometimes I want to go far and try something different, it just a shame I can't draw for shit.

>>54798566
On the one hand, the morons actually justified the 'hurr durr Thrall cheated against Garrosh' meme that was like the dumbest thing ever said by Horde players in the decade-plus history of Horde players saying dumb things.
Plus the random cribbing from Klingons and Shang Tsung feels really weird.
But kudos to whoever decided that those spikes aren't just part of Gul'Dan's ridiculous cloak.

>>54802766
I tried to get a vidya project going and I took charge of the art direction (Can't draw for shit, either, but apparently enough to at least make shit visible). The project died, but I learned that it's somehow really fucking difficult to get that amazing balance between carefully researched armour and really striking design going.

>>54802302
Indeed.
In the original pictures of Orgrim Doomhammer in the Warcraft 2 manual, the Doomhammer itself is like the size of an ordinary hammer.
It's not until years and years later that it becomes a fucking Exalted prop.

>>54802946
To be fair though, the hammer still had absurd amounts of spikes on it plus the serrated blade on top. It's probably a very deadly weapon but I'd wager it'd get hung on shit all battle long.

>>54801000
Fucking Nomura. He's actually a pretty cool guy even if he angers nerds.

>>54798331
>want more "detail"
You could pretty much go bananas with tattoos/woad while throwing a super fancy helmet with even fancier adornments on him not to mention throw all manner of rings and bling on him. That should be plenty of details.

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>>54804704
I think the thing is that people don't know how ornate historical clothing and armours could be.

Take the norsemen for example; pop culture would have them wear brown leather trousers and furs and straps and plain iron helmets. The reality was that the vikings most likely wore dyed wool tunics in, maybe embroidered with gold details if they were wealthy, and were just as into bedazzling themselves as modern day people are. Humans like shiny stuff; it's hardly a recent invention.

>>54799722
Are you retarded? Just look at that commander's outfit.

The common soldier shouldn't be flashy.

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>>54799964
>I'm all for realistic armor, but a shapeless mail hauberk isn't what I'd consider cool

It's not supposed to be. Chainmail is the factory standard from which you expand with fancy helmets and other bits of armour and accessories

>>54801077
>>54801179
it's not as bad as you see it; you can use the hook to pull down enemies from horses, and the spear is long and broad enough to not completely penetrate a dude. a sort of combined billhook/spearsword

>>54801069

Have fun getting a warhammer through those humongous breaths.

>>54797084
>tries to talk about modern fashion
>is literally completely wrong on every point

Good fucking job

>>54796818
Maybe fantasy designs are... fantastic? Almost like things that... don't exist in real life?

Staggering I know.

>>54797144
>If you saw a slightly overweight guy in a cherry-red cotton t-shirt, jeans, and sandals you'd assume he was on the spectrum
Why would I assume that?

>>54799964
>muh lorica

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>>54796818
>fantasy
I don't know, maybe it's supposed to be fantastic.

>>54800238
>How does it feel to be gay?
you tell me, it is you who is fapping to plastic girly things

>>54797144
If I saw someone making strange assumptions and going on about fashion and T-shirts, I'd assume they are autistic.

>>54804896
IIRC, vikings really fucking loved pink and purple.

>>54805731
I can imagine. Purple was some real good shit back in the day.

>>54802153
It's not even that busy and you notice the glowy bigass fist. If something bigger than the character's torso doesn't draw your attention then you are just fucking blind.

>>54805927
Indigo was also a premium color.

Apparently people didn't really see blue before dyes according to few studies.

>>54805972
What about the sky, though?

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>>54805972
Huh, that's pretty intesting. Is this specific for certain regions of Europe or in general? Because I'm pretty sure we have blue (indigenous) flowers up here in Scandinavia, though I guess some of them might be more of a violet (which is kind of indigo I guess? Not that we could make dyes out of them).

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>>54805972
>Apparently people didn't really see blue before dyes

Why do REEEEEEEEEE GET YOUR REALISM OUT OF HERE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE fags get so insecure when people point out that they don't know shit about arms and armour? You could just educate yourself instead of screeching while crying into your giant spikey pauldrons lol

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>>54796932
why are women mangaka so based?

Although nothing about Mori's work could be called Simple, although yes, hella practical.

>>54802576
>evaluating your own tastes?
Anon, the moment you start doing that is when you have shit like 4chan where everyone spouts off like their opinion is the one true thing.
You are doing the objectively wrong thing when having a discussion, but what you are doing is trying to start an argument.

>>54805731
Also, amber.
Amber had more value than gold to them, and flossing a piece of amber on a thong was you telling everyone just how baller you were.

>>54797141
I bet you're the kind of retard that salivates over the latest GW cad abomination because you think designing a bloated, goofy action figure and then sticking junk on every flat service it has is the height of sophistication and unironically use words like 'badass'.

>>54806280
The vikings are so much more fun than people give them credit for. The obsession with the raiding bit is disappointing; their society was pretty interesting and the shenanigans they got up to outside of burning down coastal monasteries are good fun.

>>54802230
Undewateth poshth

>minimalist design
Literally my fetish

>>54805972
Citation? That sounds like bullshit

>>54800990
>Suddenly remember that guy who had profane handgestures sculpted into his armor rather than making profane handgesturs himself
>rather than
I think you mean 'in addition to'.

>>54805277
Oh, I'm gonna have fun getting my warhammer in those humongous breaths alright.
Maybe even get my penis in those breasts too while I'm at it, if you can cut my jib.

>>54800037
I think I take issue with the shinguards and such
I say I think because the artist clearly got bored doing all the detail work up top and the feet are basically smudges.

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Everyone that draws fantasy designs were clearly influenced by the interior of OP's underwear.

>>54808348
Cute snuggies, ready for some combat n' chill?

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Realistic armor with a hint of fantasy is really the patrician's choice

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>>54796818
People always go towards adding more and more stuff instead of using contrast. I mean, it's the artistic equivalent of power creep.

And you can have cool fantasy stuff without it being messy.

>>54808682
Who spilled ketchup all over Carni's chest and face?

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>>54799964
out of this Titus, you fucking Prolletarii
True citizens coming through

>>54801030
sounds like European mercenaries
also they have massive cod pieces
>>54802209
I don't actually hate fantasy designs
but i like a smart minimalist style to it and a spikey kitchen sink doesn't do it for me

>>54808737
Probably Japanese businessmen
I hear eating food off ladies bodies is something they do

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>>54806958
He's probably talking about how in a lot of early cultures the way colors were defined and viewed was a lot simpler than today. Apparently how you define colors determines how easy it is for you to tell the difference between them in real life. They did a few tests with aborigines who define blue and green about the same and they had an extremely difficult time discerning light blues from light greens. So he's technically right but not in the sense most people would think

Also, while I prefer simpler armors, I feel like monks or priests should be more flashy and ornate

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Why are breastplates and skirts so stylish?

Because RPGs and video games, the two most visible forms of "fantasy design", are artistically dictated by concept artists. And concept artists almost always fall into one of two camps:

>uneducated
>educated to never stop cramming more and more crap onto your art

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>reeeeee if you don't like cluttered messy designs you just want everyone in mail shirts and brown pants
>heh...it's called fantasy for a reason, kid...
I see people saying this kind of stuff a lot and I can't help but think they're missing the point. Unrealistic designs are fine as long as they look cool. The artist just needs to know when to reign it in and stop drawing.

Pic related looks pretty cool I think.

>>54805972
>>54808906
Is this that 'wine-dark sea' crap again? Because the reason for that is etymological, not biological.

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>>54809292
But pic related looks like crap

They're from the same game and equally unrealistic but one is just plain better designed than the other

>>54809306
Normal fuccheug blizzard pauldrons aside, what the FUCK were they thinking with this one? That looks ridiculous.

>>54809292
Belt is too big and the faces stand out too much I think
other than that ids breddy gud

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>>54809301
It seems to be more psychological than anything. >>54805972 is a bit of an overstatement. People did see blue's they just lumped them together with other colors in their heads which does have an affect on how they perceived the world.

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>>54809227

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>>54809443

>>54800895
Great bait, shame no one took it.

Dark Souls stuff is generally good, and I love those guys in DS2.

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>>54796818
World of warcraft eclipsed the lord of the rings in popularity.

>>54798612
Ruffles are THE SHIT.

>>54800037
The exposed straps trigger my armor autism, but in all bretty gud.

>>54806175
Reminder a woman wrote Fullmetal Alchemist.

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>>54809227
Pictures like this are the single sexiest thing that mankind has ever created.

>>54797033
>The fact that you dislike it has no relevance to it's quality.
Neither does the fact that you like it, famalamadingdong. The criticisms applied to it can be discussed with some measure of objectivity. And just because you're inspired by other similarly overdone designs, doesn't mean it's a good idea, or that the execution lives up to them.

But anyway, stylizing does have its place in the genre. Not everything has to be plain, practical and historically accurate. There are limits, of course, but shit like giant wizard hat and billowing cloak, or hood and mask and leathers, or PAULDRONS, carry with them a strong visual baggage of the characters that wear them. There's a reason everyone (that's not a Naruto aper) draws ninja with the stagehand black outfit ass opposed as like an actual assassin would (unassuming peasant garb).

>>54799866
I agree with your general point but that's a shit example. It actually looks like a mess.

>>54801263
sexy parade armor

>>54805972
that's a load of horse piss was the sky green in caveman times then?

>>54804896
Yeah, but slap it on a person, view them at a distance, especially in a group, and pretty much everything practical looks bland. There's a reason parades don't kit people out in practical clothing.

>>54805051
That outfit is complete dullsville.

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>>54810039
yeah but naruto ninja look really cool though

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For all that talk about fantasy, I rarely see the historical colorful fashions for normal clothes. Almost all of fantasy clothes are plain and boring.

>>54810663

You also never see wigs.

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>>54799964
Think again!

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>>54810736

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>>54810770

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>>54810808

>>54810663
They're expensive to make for live-action stuff, and newer media has always been influenced by older stuff so animated stuff, video games et cetera just followed.

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>>54810828

>>54810663
Because most of those outfits were goofy as hell.

>>54810973

So are most fantasy armors.

>>54800037
Those dashes under the eye slit looks like that stupid anime blush I see everywhere

>Man realistic armors are so boring!
>Oh yeah, you think THIS is boring? *proceeds to post a bunch of guys in shapeless maille with some boring stuff slapped on top*

Every single time. You could at least post interesting things out of the bronze age or something.

>>54811006
Yes but they're usually a goofy that most people are fine with if they are history pedants.

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>>54811129

Fantasy clothing is boring as fuck. I have never seen a piece of fantasy non-armour that doesn't look like it was bought from some modern store or looks looks like it is made with bed sheets.

>>54811223
I said nothing about clothing. Fantasy clothing does tend to be dull. Which frankly I prefer. It's hard to imagine Conan getting around in a poofy shirt.

>>54799964
>it needs to look le epick and cool

>>54811499
Besides your choice to phrase that in a deliberately dumb way, what's wrong with that?

>>54798235
>the entire premise of GoT according to G.R.R.M. is the fantasy like LotR has no grounding in reality
>retards post shit like this

It doesn't matter how far removed you are from reality, those flimsy overlapping hinged faceguards are fucking retarded. Other than that the armor is alright.

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>>54811495

>>54811682
Because rule of cool is for brainlets who can't write and have no appreciation for history, basing their own works off of the incestuous genre that is modern fantasy

>>54801326
>mail poncho
I'm not sure if just efficient production or stupid design.

>>54811801
Is nothing like those goofy French outfits you posted.

>>54811824
>you can only appreciate history by littering your fantasy settings with its most boring parts

You refer to people as brainlets; you've lost by default.

>>54812114

Of course not. Conan's stories take place in antediluvian antiquity. It would be like wearing a top hat during the middle ages.

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>>54811824
>rule of cool is for brainlets who can't write and have no appreciation for history, basing their own works off of the incestuous genre that is modern fantasy

>>54812186
It's nowhere near as extravagant. Also the specific aesthetic tech level of Conan is a mishmash.

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>>54811824

I just really love pragmatism.

>Yea you can swing through building, but do you really need the giant sword. It seems like you are overcompensating.

>yea you could have the minigun, but the assault rifle costs and weights 1/30 and is far less visible.

>yea you could have armor only on one side but it with throw off your balance, and you are kind of missing the point of armor.

>nice giant club, hope the handle is stronger than the club.

>>54810595
I agree

>>54811824
Your kind is unbearable to be around for any normal person.

>>54811824
>everything must be historical

>>54800037
visor makes me think of Star Wars

>>54800180
It looks fucking excellent for a nightly melee as the picture seems to suggest. Common foottroops should be kept quite simple albeit they could have some more colour to them.

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>>54800238
>fuckoff greatswords with runes and spikes
Have nothing on the sheer beauty that is historical pimpin' weapons.

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>>54800589
Please tell me that some knights actually rode around with their lunch attached to their face.

>>54801263
11/10 would fugg.

>>54796818
because of Warhammer and WoW

>>54797422
I really hate overdesigned stuff but jesus christ you picked a shitty example. That looks badass.

>>54805350
You're missing the whole point of being buttblasted about impractical armour and weapons. It's not about them not being historic but that they are terribly designed and thus often also a hindrance rather than an aide to the user. A setting that isn't following its own internal logic is just crappily made. Ofcourse, if the setting actually have an adequate explanation for why its soldiers are unnecessarily burdened by style-before-comfort then this is a moot point.

>>54805731
Everyone loved purple anon. It was the colour of royalty. They literally had to squeeze the pigments out of a particular species of sea creature to get it which made it fuck-off expensive.

>>54806000
IIRC it was described as vine or bronze-coloured by the hellenes.

Apparantly language biases us in our identification of colours.

>>54814607
I know enough not to associate with anyone who insists on realism in games of make-believe.

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>>54806391
Not to mention they had some really interesting burial practices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJZBqmGLHQ8

>>54808906
>feel like monks or priests should be more flashy and ornate

Damn straight son. Ceremonial clothing isn't burdened by the need for practicality and ease of use and as such should be flashy as fuck.

>>54806112
Maybe because you are going no full "NO FUN ALLOWED" on all those not caring ablut being historical?

I want to say one major problem with fantasy games is... it's often designed and played by people who've read lord of the rings, but have perhaps never picked up actual history books.

>>54806112
It's a pity, because actual history can offer up ideas full of intrigue for campaigns, because believe it or not interesting things happened in those times without magic or elves having to be around.

>>54814851
>>54814874
No one cares about history besides nerds that get bullied by other nerds for being too nerdy.

>>54809292
Would have looked better as a Shaman-set but yeah it's really good for WoW. Reminds me of the cool TBC-sets.

>>54814717
They recently discovered that what we previously thought was a prosperous trade city near modern-day Stockholm actually was a necropolis in which wealthy norsemen from all over scandinavia would've wanted to be buried. The island maintained a small town for the thralls and other people of relevance to the burial business; it was pretty fucking grim.

>>54809306
Looks like standard tauren shaman equipment to me. The mask is similar to irl shaman and witch doctor headgear and the rest is just default wow-fashion. The pauldrons are just bound together with tauren totems.

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monks are pretty cool

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>>54801069

>>54814851
>>54814874
Which is incredibly ironic seeing how much effort Tolkien put into making LoTR into a valid alternative Anglo-Scandi-Germanic mythology.
Even the nonsensical shit in LoTR makes historical sense because it is a tale in a fictional world.

>>54814956

>Hurr durr proud to be stupid

>>54815083
Better stupid than permanently stuck with my head up my ass.

>>54810495
People's subjective understanding isn't objective truth. I can't believe that I have to explain this to someone who's not a toddler.

>>54815099
>prood ta bu mentolly returdad

>>54814607
Realism whiners will insist that of everything that isn't realistic; harping on the littlest detail.

>>54815108
I'm not the one responding in greentext babyspeak to people who I disagree with.

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>>54801179
>no pollaxe
I am sad

>>54805972
>Apparently people didn't really see blue before dyes according to few studies.

Citation, please.

>>54806112
Just because we don't care doesn't mean we don't understand. I grew out of realism wanking, hopefully you will too. Maybe someday you'll have both the necessary empathy and self-awareness to see why people like things differently than you without attributing it to ignorance or character flaw.

>>54811495
>Wanting the practical to be impractical and garments meant to impress to be dull.

Never go full retard.

>>54814956
History is cool dude. The authors that would form the basis of fantasy were all quite fond of history. As much as I vehemently disagree with these idiots on form versus function in fantasy, I do think an appreciation for history makes it easier to make richer fiction. That said, I'd rather borrow from Homer than from historical Greece.

>>54815175
Realistic weapons and armor are boring and many historical outfits were idiotic looking (yes that includes the outfits the landsknechts wore, deal with it).

>>54815156
>empathy

You clearly have none.

>>54815217
Says the guy who attributes not liking what he likes to ignorance.

>>54815213

Dude, not that guy, but this is going to far.

I like fantasy and realism, but to dismiss all of history is just as bad.

>>54815213

Post a picture of yourself in Final Fantasy clothing, I dare you.

>>54815238
I haven't dismissed history. Weapon design, when looked at through a lens of realism tends to converge towards to some set forms which we've seen copiously in our lives, because the laws of physics favour these forms.

On the note of outfits, many of them are goofy looking to modern sensibilities; you'd be snickered at trying to dress like a landsknecht as a common fashion item.

>>54815256
>if he doesn't like my thing, he must like that thing that western fantasy gamers use as a boogeyman of bad taste

It was either that or Naruto. Western fantasy is largely rather bereft of such designs and genuine historical costumes, figuring simpler costumes more in line with modern fashion sensibilities.

>>54815274

Yeah things tend to gravitate to towards a certain style yes, but some of said clothing was considered masculine and badass at the time. Trousers were considered girly to the romans,but not skirts, people change but another thing you don't take in consideration is that camoflage isn't a thing when you fight in formation and camoflage wasn't a thing back then.

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>>54815213
>realistic weapons and armor are boring
you fucking what

>>54815298

>modern fashion sensibilities.

You are not sophisticated for following the latest fashion trends.

>>54815125
isn't the lucerne hammer a type of pole axe?

>>54815317
Good job on posting that image, it's sure to convince him that his tastes are wrong.

>>54810663
Watch some movies from the 60's and 50's with Knights, Greek heroes or Arabian sailors. They were not afraid of colour

>>54805494
This Anon gets it. Everyone else is just being overly autistic.

>>54800895
Skinny jeans look ruined it. Looks good in the art, but it didn't translate well into the game. I'm still upset the most fucking Gothic series in existence doesn't have a proper set of Gothic full plate.

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>>54796818
A lot of european armors are more practical but ultimately most of them are boring as fuck though with exceptions to landsknecht

if you really want some weirdass armors but not enough to incapitate their wearers that fits the fantasy schtick, i'd look some eastern stuff

>>54815508

Problem is anything armor is rilled with racism and barely no discussion can be made.

>>54815125
It's right there next to the pike.

>>54799576
>The genre is called FANTASY. It is about diverging from reality.
This genre is called fantasy because it doesn't concern reality. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be realistic.

That rap battle putting those words in Tolkien's mouth was also fucking attrocious (not that those videos aren't attrocious in general, because they are) because his story is actually far more realistic than GRRM's. Granted, not in the sense of telling of realistic events (though ASoIaF doesn't really do that either) but is very realistic in its depiction of an ancient mythological text.

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>>54815508
>but ultimately most of them are boring as fuck though
rank-and-file armour is usually "boring" no matter what culture you go to.
Of course, I'd say that you're wrong and that once you're a little bit educated on armour you'll find more of them interesting, but fuckit, this is 4chan, so I'll just dig up some exotic armours you might like.

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>>54815622

>>54815615
The whole mindset just undermines one of the pillars of good fiction; internal logic.

"It's fantasy it's not meant to make sense" could only ever be uttered by someone who actually resents good fiction.

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>>54815670

>>54815659
Nevermind that fiction without internal logic falls under surrealist fiction, not fantasy fiction.

Fantasy fiction has always had a strong connection to historical fiction and myth/religion.

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>>54815694

>>54810808
Guardian of the honey comb hideout.

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>>54815717

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>>54815773

>>54815659
>needing internal logic

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>>54815819

>>54799866
He's not just overdesigned, hes' boring, fake shit and on top of that, turbo-edgy "HURR DARK WARRIOR" figure designed to pander to tastes of edgy teenagers.

Don't wory, I liked Chaos Warriors too when I was in highschool

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>>54815014
Best monk, right here.

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>>54815622
I'd still disagree with you though, even after i've done my share of that little "education" of researching some history books and some Osprey pieces. Even among elites, you'd seldom ever find them that impressive. hence the "mostly"

Whatever man, have some warrior dandies

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>>54815895
We have a saying my country "taste is like the ass, split in two"
or something like that, it does not translate well. point is: to each his own/ we dont choose what armour we love.

>>54812219
>Socks in sandals

Makes me cringe every time.

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>>54814997
Yeah, I definitly need to catch up on my knowledge of Birka. Wasn't the city still a prosperous town even though it was largely a necropolis? Trade tend to congregate to important places.

>>54815120
A loud minority doesn't represent the whole group. Also, details aren't necessarily small just because some uneducated people deem them to be. Things of seemingly small value to the uninitiated can turn out to be fundamental to the function of the whole.

>>54815916
We have a similar saying. Taste is like an ass; everybody's got one and they usually stink.

>>54815213

Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, maaaan. (also, your opinion is wrong and you are an idiot)

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>>54815213
You can't be serious.
Oversized fantasy weapons might look cool on the screen or in your imagination but as soon as you see some IRL it becomes evident how silly most of them actually are. Meanwhile realistically sized weapons look good no matter the medium.

>>54806391
There are an old European cartoon series with that premisse
it also stars one of the oldest examples of a trap

>>54816166

Older than that japanese one?

>>54816153
I don't give a damn about how stupid things look like IRL.

>>54815274
>On the note of outfits, many of them are goofy looking to modern sensibilities

Gee wizz, fashion isn't static, who could've thought?
If anything historical clothing makes for exceptional fantasy dress as it really comes of as alien to modern sensibilities while simultaneously reminding the audience that the setting isn't some inhuman static enviroment but something with as much culture, history and oddities as real life.

>>54816204
This.

>>54815658
Facing Gauls was basically engaging a riot of colour, screaming and swords. Must of been really fucking out there to face a horde of those screaming murderous fucks. Them fighting a hellenic force, who also had a tendency to have a riot of colour and art in their gear must have looked like madness itself.

>>54816153
>no I didn't forget my sabatons I just think this looks better

>>54815895

What is the source this book?

>>54816356
>Roman tactics are basically riot police but with sharp and pointy sticks
>Gauls are rioteers in it for the moshpit
>They at least were colourful
>Modern rioteers and riot police all wear drab black for whatever reason

I want people to put laughter back into slaughter. Have some clowns, play some kazoos, anything.

>>54816166
what cartoon?

>>54796828
Absolutely this. Even in sci-fi/sci-fantasy the problem exists. If you play warhammer 40k you've probably noticed that the newer lines of models are so ornate and over-designed that every square millimeter of surface area has a detail of some sort.

I find that less is more in the majority of cases, once you pass a certain amount of detail the models become too visually noisy.

>>54816432
Being fair, the Gauls had some grasp of tactics and discipline, especially as their neighbours got more advanced around them. Alongside thier ferocity, it was the actual skill and discipline of the Galatians (Gauls that invaded through the Hellespont and settled central Turkey) that made them such sought after mercenaries by the Successor states of Alexander.

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>>54816444
Vicky the Viking was a cartoon in the 70's, while japanese examples only started in the 90's

>>54816610

I was talking about historic examples, a woodblock has the depiction of a trap assassin

>>54816030
Yeah the area in general was probably pretty prosperous, it's just Birka itself that proved to be very, very different from what we imagined.

>>54816166
>it also stars one of the oldest examples of a trap
Thor? Because he actually dressed up as a woman to infiltrate a Jotunheim party to get his stolen hammer back. Norse mythology is weird.

>>54815659
>"It's fantasy it's not meant to make sense"
More like "its fantasy it doesnt need to be a copypaste from history" which is what you real armor fags keep demanding.

>>54815659
This shit right here. If the internal logic keeps being broken then that just draws you out completely from the experience.

>>54815773
CAW CAW MUTHA FAWKER!

>>54815846
I just love those norman helmets. Makes me think of an angry duck.

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>>54817198
>which is what you real armor fags keep demanding.
Nice strawman. See pic related. Pretty fucking fantasy, not copypasted from history, but still something that I see as a practical design. Yes she has a bigass sword and a bigass shield, but I can deal with that better than "she wears an armor in wich she can't actually move because it's badly designed".

>>54815963
Who's throwing the hooked strings at him?

>>54817790
>muh bad design
People inside those suits of armor can still move, some of them even have super strength, you just keep whining about realism yet fail to account how shit would change in setting with magic.

>>54817790
>tfw no summer or event Boromir
Bring back her event cygames, or at least release her swimsuit version, there's already official art of it for christ's sake.

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>>54817840
Have a Apollo while I'm at it.

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>>54817819
It depends wich suit of armor you're talking about. Often it's not about strenght but the armor being designed in a way that make it impossible to execute some movements (pauldrons that goes up too high, neck protection that's too prominent, cuirass that's too long and doesn't allow the wearer to bend forward, etc.).
I have no pic such armor to show you since I don't like those armors, but have a pic of a functional big armor instead.

>>54816372
Kek, can't unsee it now.

>>54817883

You don't need every movement to win, more often than not a lot of the problems you stated could be circumvented.

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>>54816356
What I wouldn't give to be able to go back in time in an airballoon and watch a battle between hellenes and celts. Gaudy as fuck fighters on both sides who compete over who have the most outrageous hat on. Fucking boar and wolf trumpets on one side sounding the charge while a wall of pikes made up off of thousands of men prepare themselves to counter charge.

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>>54817933
Yes, it's about fining the right balance. And no, some of those CANNOT be circumvented. Pic related : not being able to move your neck is a big handicap during a fight. I'd say the same about pauldrons that doesn't allow lifting your arms or cuirasses that stop you from bending forward, they cause more trouble to the wearer than they actually benefit him. Those are non-sensical designs.

>>54817198
I seriously can't tell if you're strawmanning us practical-fags or just parodying the fantasy-fags.

>>54818015
Doesn't really matter considering who's wearing it, Albedo is a living wrecking ball and the armor doesn't constrain her movements one single bit.