Modern General

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>just bought 4 vengevines

How fucked am I?

Delve is a pretty stupid mechanic because it essentially amounts to fast mana. Modern shouldn't be a format with fast mana.

>>54795474
yeah and that's why the strong delve spells are banned, even in legacy and vintage. But even cheap creatures are easily dealt with by cheap removal.

Unban Jace Mind Sculptor

There's no reason he should still be on the banlist in 2017 and the only reason he's still there is because kids are still butthurt from his reign in standard

>>54796906
>Brainstorm
>In Modern

>>54796906

Jace has to stay banned. Modern Nexus did testing with a Jeskai Nahiri/Control deck with him in it and it flat out gave the deck anywhere between 10-20% improved winrate over common matchups. In fact the winrate against Affinity went from over 58% to 70% alone when switching to JTMS from over 100 games. They tested 500 games across 5 deck matchups for a test of 100 games per matchup.

>>54797444
>4 mana brainstorm
>in a format with 3 mana Karn
>1 mana 8/8's
>tier 1 storm deck
>a dredge deck
>and other high tier diverse strategies

Hurrrr

>>54797532
I'd have to see the data for that. If you are just shoving Jace in decks that having them face other copy cat tier 1 decks in the meta now then yeah it's gonna show an improvement.

It'd be very difficult to replicate a meta where Jace is unbanned and have pros and the metagame adapt and change to it's unbanning. Since there is no way they could have done that their data is garbage.

>>54797569

Basically they took the Jeskai control/Nahiri deck and ran games with Nahiri and then ran another set of games where Nahiri was replaced with JTMS and flat out JTMS always performed better. The only matchup where the win rate was increased less than 10% was Ad Nauseam where it was only improved by 4%.

They played 1000 games, 500 games per Jeskai and "Jacekai" list. Took five months to complete the data.

http://modernnexus.com/testing-mind-sculptor-data/

Total newbie here. For cards that change creature type, is it kosher to use two descriptors? My current deck needs Wizards because of Docent of Perfection, and I'm looking at adding in Lullmage Mentor/Merrow Commerce; if I added in Xenograft, could I choose "Merrow Wizard" and have every creature count for all three card effects?

>>54797603
This is why im glad shitters dont have access to the banlist. The format is starting to feel too pushed and fast as it is. Its called Modern, not nu-Legacy. It should be slower then it is now ideally.

>>54797902

First of all "Merrow Wizard" is not an actual creature type, i'm guessing you meant "Merfolk Wizard". Merfolk is one creature type, Wizard is another creature type. Creatures can be multiple creature types e.g Merfolk Wizard, Human Wizard, Elf Wizard, Human Shaman, Elf Shaman etc.

For Docent of Perfection you have to use Human Wizard tokens or some cards to represent them that cannot be confused with others e.g using any token card face down to represent the Human Wizard tokens. You cannot use your Merfolk tokens from Lullmage Mentor to represent these Human Wizard tokens as you will need to be able to discern the differences between the two creature types. If one set of tokens gets targetted with say an Echoing Truth you need to know which tokens were which.

>>54798000
Okay, good to know, thanks. If I stick with my current plan, I'll just go with whichever type is more useful at that moment.

>>54797979

Honestly if you want to slow down the format a little bit you unban Stoneforge Mystic. They did testing with Stoneforge Mystic as well way back in 2016 and the only matchup it had a significant impact against was Burn. Every other matchup was very slight between 2-5%.

>>54798081

Just sleeve up a bunch of tokens that are a different sleeve back to your deck and use those to represent whatever tokens you need them to be at the time. If you're using black sleeves then sleeve up some tokens in red or blue until you have the right token and use them facedown to represent your creature tokens of sorts needed. As long as you can represent and discern them apart clearly then it's valid at most casual REL events.

>>54798096
Fuck off Batterskull! God damn are nu Phyrexians annoying

Print Innocent Blood in Modern Y/N?

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how do you justify to your friends, family, and gf (?) that you pay hundreds of dollars for painted cardboard with no intrinsic value?

>>54798883
Pretty art, next question

>>54797979
Legacy is a pretty slow format senpai.

>>54795308
Pls response

>>54795308

>bought several playsets of vengevines and hollow ones during the hyped r/g tech
>deck doesn't even make top 32

of course

>>54798883
I only play on MTGO so they don't know

>>54799304
>Waaaahhhh I didn't make money on a small penny stock mooooooom

Repost from last thread:

Sup modern players. Got back into MTG, haven't been playing since Oath of the Gatewatch came out. What's the new meta trends in Modern since then, and are there any new cards that could improve my Troll Worship deck?

list: http://deck (dot) tk/8zgJ2Ei6

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>>54799320
>MTGO

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>>54797979
>The format is starting to feel too pushed and fast as it is. Its called Modern, not nu-Legacy.

If anything Legacy has been "speed up" slightly due to the banning of top

Also nobody is getting exploded by Vengvine with Survival of Fittest in Legacy for years

>>54799287
>>54799584
I dont want to play Brainstorm the format
I just want Tron banned so midrange can come back

>>54795226
>thread q

If you could bring a mechanic from legacy into modern/standard what one would it be and why?


Also, im torn beween getting a fate reforged Fatpack for a amonkhet fatpack. dunno what one to get

>>54799784
Madness

>>54799784
Threshold.

Also don't waste your dough just buy singles.

>>54799859
true, butthe box it comes in is nice. but imbetter off getting singles anyway

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>>54798883

I earn my money and spend it however I choose

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>>54799859

>Threshold

my man

>>54798883
The Chinaman, so in reality I've only spent like $100 for a deck that's """"worth"""" $900

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>>54800441
Enjoy my secret tech

>>54799784
>If you could bring a mechanic from legacy into modern/standard what one would it be and why?

Fading

>>54798883
earn it back via magic, its extra income

>>54798883
green paper vs colored cardboard

how do you justify using paper over a barder system?

>>54798883
Nigga how do you justify posting that ugly bitch? That #Imwithher fridge is a damn mess.

>>54799784
Fate Reforged has fetches, Amonkhet has Invocations.

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>>54795226
>Do you want more Delve cards in modern?
yeah, there were two blue ones floating around for a while that were real good. when those decks are good, my decks are GREAT.

>Playing, Haitng etc
legacy. don't like the crowd that modern attracts to my lgs these days and the format isn't really interesting enough to play online any more. already qualified for rptq so i really don't have anything to do in modern unless a starcity 1k comes around or something.

Should I build 8-rack or just stick to legacy pox? Most my friends play modern, whereas only one or two play legacy and only one shop by me has legacy night. Currently playing UW control, but want another deck and have always liked MBC.

>>54799759
Don't ban Tron Lands, ban the stupid Eldrazi bullshit that WotC printed in BFZ and OGW
I would not shed a tear if the banned Chalice while they were at it.

Tron on its own is mostly harmless, it only gets gay when you add in a 4/4 beatstick that has an etb thoughtsieze and a 5/5 with trample haste and hexproof

>>54799859
>threshold
I would fucking kill for Barbarian ring in Modern.

Is it correct to side out cursecatchers vs tron for ceremonious rejection?

I don't think they do anything against tron anyway.

What's the best black card in Modern and why is it Thoughtseize?

>>54801200
>Bardersystem

A system using bards as currency, much better.

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>>54798883
>muh intrinsic value
Good try. Fact of the matter is that I purchase magic cards to expand my credit limit.
>buy a playset of Aether vials on a new 300.00 limit card
>pay it off
>limit increased to 500.00
>just expanded my available capital by 200.00, lost fuckall in percentages

You should get better at buying unregulated assets. :^))))

>>54798883
who the hell is that

If your friends question your magic purchases then you aren't friends with the right people.

unless you're destitute and still buying cards. At which point the problem isn't magic.

>>54804828
because it's pay B and lose two life to remove the most important card from your opponents hand.

>>54802655
I honestly wouldn't care if wizards hit thoughtknot and/or reality smasher, however I don't think they will as those cards only really are prevalent in those specific decks (at least to my knowledge).

as far as I'm concerned, I only feel like thoughtknot is the one that specifically is ahead of the curve in value.

>>54795226
Whatever happened to that one taking turns deck?

So is Mardu Madness a good deck or just a meme

>mtgo will never be like hearthstone with cool animation

>>54804828

Too many people get caught in the trap of, "Thoughtsieze is a one for one card". Well it is, but it's one card or your CHOICE, and the information of what your opponent has in their hand, and what deck they run. The value of choice and information has proven itself time and time again in MTG. The choices the casting player makes are the most powerful in general. You take the card that will hurt your game plan the most, and in rare cases a TS can win the game, for example by ripping out a sideboard answer brought in to hose your deck, or to even have a chance of winning.

IoK is similarly as strong in situations where decks don't run anything above 3cmc (of which there are many), but it is not as good vs other decks (midrange) and cards (Delve or split cards for example). What really breaks TS in this format I think, is the fact that there is no T0 counterplay except Leyline. I would not be sad to see it banned, there are other more situational, but still good, cmc 1 discard spells that would replace it.

GDS is only as strong as it is because of TS where the life loss is a good thing and Snaping it back is a good way to shut people down for good.

>>54802655
Just Ban eldrazi temple we dont need workshops in modern.

>>54806167
Meme.

>>54806448
Fuck. It looks really fun

>>54806513
Post a list since I have no clue what you are talking about.

wheres the legacy general
i dont wanna hang out with you fags

>>54806606
go make one then

>>54806606

Just shill legacy on these threads. Maybe more people will see the light and we can have regular legacy threads. Or you can just make another one.

>>54806530
https://www.channelfireball.com/videos/modern-monday-mardu-madness/

This thing

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>>54795226
Why does the edh babies get to have it?

>>54807450

>muh ancestral recall

It wasn't nearly as broken in modern as it was in legacy. Probably still too strong for modern babbies, though I think that DTT is fine.

>>54795308
it depends, how much did you buy them for?

Questioning whether I should play Modern or draft tomorrow. I feel like if the ban list announcement is bad on the 28th im just going to go to playing draft for a while.

>>54807450
*main decks relic*

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>no more Standard General

>>54809240
EDH is the only one that's consistently around

>>54807303
>The synergies are through the roof, but there’s no mistaking that this is a deck that shines against creature-based decks more than control decks. I say this as I ended up rarely being able to profitably cast my Big Game Hunters and never being able to flip my Voldaren Pariahs.
>Just think how good those Big Game Hunters would have been against cards like Tasigur and Death’s Shadow!

?????

The problem is that we have this jank scheme of Madness concealing the fact that there are still a great deal of RBW power cards running this deck. Lili, K Command, Lingering, etc.
We're just using a suboptimal shell here. With those same power cards, we could put them into an actual deck and do much better.
Don't get me wrong, if you're building some Jund deck or derivative and have your Lilis and K commands laying around but no goyfs/shadows, this is fine. It gives you something to do with the cards while waiting to buy the rest of the actually good cards you want.

This article is the typical "hey we have inventory we can't move. Let's throw it into a shell and try to sell people on it"
same game Saffron Olive plays.

>>54809728
>meme game type is around the most
not surprised

>>54809860
Magic is a meme game

>>54798669

Batterskull wouldn't even be an issue. All the top aggro decks right now could beat it as is.

>>54804366

You would be correct. Eldrazi Tron doesn't cast much instants/sorceries other than Dismember and All is Dust and they'll hardly be casting either early. Traditional tron is depending on the colours usually casting Ancient Stirrings/Path/Push/Sylvan Scrying/Anger. None of which are something you really need to tax with the Cursecatcher.

I might keep Cursecatcher in against traditional tron but definitely not against Eldrazi tron.

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So I wanted to make a weird tron deck that ran banefire, rolling thunder, craters claws, and torment of hailfire as possible wincons. So far I was thinking of the 12 usual tron ramp artifacts, ancient stirrings/sylvan scrying, Iok/thoughtseize, karn and ugin, and 4 wurmcoils. Anybody ever try this? I'm open to suggestions or ideas.

>>54810875
So Jund colored Tron? It should work alright, because the core cards are so strong against other midrange and control decks, but I don't see the advantage to running Banefire over Emrakul as a wincon, even in terms of inevitability.

>>54810875
There's a meme monored tron variant that's pretty sweet, some youtuber guy loves it, i can post a version if you want, it runs some Fireball-type spells

there's also a goggles/koth/moon deck that puts Fireballs to good use.

Why not just go mono black? You get hand shredding, wurmcoils, boardwipes besides all is dust, and torment to finish them off. Also gives you a more stable manabase. You could even run GB with that shell if you want extra digging cards and artifact/enchantment hate for the sb.

>>54810922
I just like ~X spells more anon
>>54811031
I'd appreciate links or decklists, thanks
>>54811069
See my first reply

>>54811184

But black still gets x spells, while being a better color in general. Also, if you're casting big spells in modern you either need to cheat them out, or ramp up to them. Since you're ramping, you should use cards that compliment ramping better than just mediocre damage.

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>>54811184
here you go duder.

it originally had staff of nin instead of trading post, not sure if that card makes your dick hard, but it didn't do it for me whereas trading post + tronlands always gives me a rager.

2 goggles might be too many since legendary as well but hasn't hurt so far.

>>54811325
My bad, I should've clarified I meant ~x damage spells. But I probably will run some hand rape since why not
>>54811341
Thanks do much dude

>>54810875

Sounds like you want to play Eggs Tron.

>>54798883
Because it has a huge secondary market. It's one of those hobbies that I don't feel any pressure droping 500€, since I can get that value back (sometimes it ends up increasing). This helps a lot when you still don't have a paycheck, only the initial fee is the barrier. Also it's fun.

>>54811577
What's eggs tron?

>>54810875
Just play KCI

Go through your entire deck starting turn 3 or 4 until you get (insert win-condition card here)

Is Modern Pay-to-Win?

>>54812426
No. There's just a pay-to-entrance fee. After that more money doesn't help you.

>>54811832

You take an Eggs deck aka KCI Eggs and you slap Tron lands in together and you have Eggs Tron.

ALMOST TIME TO SET OFF FOR GP BIRMINGHAM FAGGOTS

>>54813097
Oh boy, can't wait to see GDS dominate the top8!
So exciting!

>>54813146
GDS doesn't do well at events dude.

>>54813175
GDS was fringe at GP Vegas, it was still DSJ at that time, and DSJ is bad.

>>54813146
They can't fight through my Chameleon Colossus ;^)

>>54813146
>implying half the field isn't eTron

Punted my games tonight at a small Modern tournament. 1-2 drop. Its not all bad since it means I can play better tomorrow but I just wasnt playing as good as I should have been. Death and Taxes always trips me up since their creatures are usually must kills. I just have a hard time playing against it. Oh well heres to playing better tomorrow.

>>54813146
GDS is always heralded as the strongest deck in the format but it always disappoints. Can't even remember the last event it won

Eldrazi Tron is the true king of the format

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Does anyone have that spread sheet of the modern tiers. I need it.

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>>54809240
Looks like vargposter finally got to them

>>54813662
>Tier 1
Gx Tron
>Shit tier
Everything else

>tfw Grixis Death's Shadow isn't the best deck in the format but I still want Shadow banned

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>>54813146
copies of thoughtseize in the top 8: 24

Should I take out some of the discard spells for Bump in the night or lava spike?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-05-17-controlled-burn/

best magic podcasts that aren't about standard?

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Live from the GP floor.

>>54815310
Grim Lavamancer

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>>54816053
how do you feel as brow beat in the other 3 slots or sign in blood. I empty my hand in most games and win by topdecking I need some tempo cards

>>54815370
LR/CR, Eternal Central, Command Zone

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Fuck should I do it bros? I really want to get into Magic and I like opening card packs.

>>54817223
God no.

>>54817223
If you want to make anything approaching a functional deck, don't bother with booster boxes. The Deck-Builder's Toolkit is decent for starting off because it comes with a bunch of basic lands, and you can buy the single cards you need for decks online.

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is MTGO really just a cash grab ponzi scheme?

I play naya zoo. I had a rough performance at a tournament. I ran into several budget burn decks, and this Kiln fiend/prowess decks, all which gave me sizeable trouble. I feel like the list isn't fast enough, and the burn I get from my lands is becoming significant in these closer match ups.

However I need to run some amount of shocks and fetches to fix mana. Do I just change the list to shit out a ton of creatures and bushwhack or should I just get a better sideboard?

I'm new to modern play so I've been having a rough time.

>>54818128
Run some Burrenton Forge Tenders or Kor Firewalkers. Pro red means they can block Kiln Fiend for free, and in a pinch you can block and then sac the Forge Tender to prevent two Kiln Fiends from getting through.

>>54818128
Like the anon above me said, kor firewalkers and forge tenders. Although I feel like that would slow down zoo. Honestly burn is just a rough matchup for zoo players unless your vomiting 14 damage turn 2

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Yo. I need some suggestions on good burn/aggro cards that arent too expensive. I also need a sideboard

pic related

>>54819471
Kommand or blightning? Claim//fame?

>>54819471
Drop the Bumps and go full Mono-red. You really want fetches and shocklands to reliably splash in Modern. You could run Kiln Fiends if you're going to be so spell heavy. Grim Lavamancer can work well too. Faithless Looting can turn excess lands into better cards - as Burn you can hold all your lands past your fourth in hand for bluffs and discard fodder.

For sideboard, Searing Blood is great against Zoo and other aggro decks, Exquisite Firecraft will help against control once they have enough mana to get countermagic online, and Shattering Spree, Smelt, and Smash to Smithereens are all options against artifact-heavy decks. Smash to Smithereens fits the best in Burn but if your local meta is particularly artifact-heavy you might want something else. I like Ash Zealot as tech against Snapcasters and other graveyard nonsense, although artifacts like Grafdigger's Cage or Relic of Progenitus are also options.

For a starting SB, I'd use:

4x Searing Blood
4x Smash to Smithereens
4x Ash Zealot
3x Exquisite Firecraft

What would you recommand for having fun while being fairly competitive at FNM level ? I want to build a deck but I don't know what to play.
Anything goes as far as it has a minimum of interraction.

>>54820717
What kind of deck do you like to play - burn, aggro, midrange, control, combo, ect? Alternatively, what (modern legal) card really appeals to you? What card could you play and you just really enjoy playing it?

What's your budget?

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I really need that modern tierlist spreadsheet i know the tier 1 but it has important info i need for tier 2 and 3

>>54821213
What am I reading?

>>54821213
This?
http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/

>>54821142
Budget is up to 700 bucks and I like all types of play as long as it has some form of interraction with my opponent. For reference, my latest standard decks are New Perspectives combo and Sultai Marvel.

I like plenty cards from Modern and they all fit in very different decks, explaining my interest for the format and my indicision.

>>54821488
Play Burn

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>>54821317
Someone had a 3 color coded one in excel that was in an image
>>54821296

>>54821488
Flip a coin. Build whichever one you end up with.
Although I'd suggest burn since it's a great deck.

>>54821488
Burn, UW Control, D&T or E&T all seem like good fits. Burn is your conventional burn deck. UW Control is a slow control deck that grinds wins off planeswalkers and Celestial Colonnades. D&T and E&T make your opponents hate this game.

>>54821488
8 rack and ponza are fun.
If you just want to win play tron its retard proof

>>54821317
wait yeah thats it noice

>>54821569
>>54821761
Isn't Burn as non-interactive as it gets tho ?

I mean yhea, I can Bolt the Bird, but that's a bit thin as far as iteraction goes.

>>54821761
I like D/E&T quite a bit actually, the "gotcha" potential of Vial is really appealing to me, I just wich it ran more removal but it's contradictory to the nature of the deck.

>day 2, still no legacy general
>have to hang out with these retards
JUST FUCKING END IT

>>54822172
The fact that 50% of burn can be used as removal makes it Interactive. Plus you have paths and other stuff in your SB.

>>54820032
I personally recommend Satyr Firedancer over Searing Blood. It lets you remove stuff without giving up tempo, much better against creature heavy decks like Zoo, Elves, and Affinity. Also allows you to actually win against Soul Sisters instead of it being game over right there.

>>54822172
Burn is a lot more interactive than its reputation makes it seem. It's not just counting to 20.

If you're really looking to muck about with your opponent's plays you probably want some kind of UW control, maybe even Esper for Thoughtseizes and IoK's.

>>54822267
Dude cant you go jerk off on Brainstorms?

>>54822352
i can only get hard if there are ponders and brainstorms

>>54822172

MonoW, G/W, U/W, and B/W Taxes decks are cool to play. There are so many interactions with the decks you can do, and I always felt like I have a chance to win it vs any other deck. With smart sideboarding there are very few lopsided matches, and every win feels earned.

Never hurts to have a Taxes deck laying around because they're always printing stuff to fit in there, plus, there's a good chance SFM might get unbanned within a couple years which would slot into the deck so nicely.

Is this deck any good ? I want to join the Modern fun at my LGS on FNMs for cheap and this looks fun once the landbase gets an update.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-gb-end-modern

>>54822406
>within a couple years

or hopefully the 28th

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>>54822310
>maybe even Esper for Thoughtseizes and IoKs
You splash black in UW Control for this baby, Thoughtseize is sideboard material at best

>>54822426
Hopefully not
t. Burnbro

>>54822481
>>54822409
im confused, when SFM was unbanned was she op as a standalone? or was just banned because caw-blade?

>>54822531
shit meant to say banned

Is there anyway to actually make the meta more healthy besides mostly aggro? I don't want to devolve into hurrdurr ragefest. I am just curious as to why there is so much aggro and not much else can compete.

>>54822531

Batterskull

>>54822577
Its inherent in the Modern cardpool. It gets even worse the fewer sets you allow. Like standard which is about 85% Aggro decks.

>>54822577
anon don't you know, it's more fun to play creatures and turn them sideways than it is to pull off combos or lock down a game with countermagic

t. card games in the 2010s

>>54822645
All three are equally autistic. This is why card games suck.

>>54822605
It's actually the opposite : the larger the cardpool are, the faster is the format. The reason why Modern isn't a degenerate combo fest is because WotC bans every combo pieces that are too fast, only leaving aggro decks as the fastest decks.

>>54822675
Which is fair since outside of Thoughtseize and bad counterspells theres no way to stop dumb solitaire combos.

>>54822531
SFM was so busted in cawblade it overshadowed fucking twin in standard, even though they had ponder, preordain, and jtms available

>SFM getting unbanned

You guys are delusional. I mean, if GZS is still banned, why would they ever consider unbanning SFM ? And don't get me wrong, I agree that SFM earns an unban and that she wouldn't break the game. But I just don't see it happen. Remember how long they took to unban the Sword combo, and that combo is nowhere to be even remotely good in the current meta.

Just face it guys, SFM will never get unbanned.

Horizon Canopy reprint when ? The card frame is horrible and the card is crazy expensive for a staple in anything running WG.

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here's how you have fun
1. Make a Homebrew

2. If its fun to play go step 3 if not got to 1

3. Test it thoroughly against your lgs spikes and what not. Make sure you make note of any problems you encounter (Never enough mana, Can only keep greedy 1 landers to actually work, Its to slow etc.)

4. Return to brewing and upgrade the deck and
fix all the problems you can.

5. Continue 3 and 4 until you feel it can no longer get any better.

6. If it doesn't win enough or feel it is underwhelming go back to step 1. Otherwise continue to 7.

7. You now have a deck that is fun to play and wins. The best part is that it feels twice as to win with it because its pay off from all the work.
It also should be updated with each set as appropriate.
I have had this success occur only once but holy shit its been 3 years and i cant stop playing it. People say to do x or dont do y to it. Some ideas will be utterly retarded like change color or splash another. I tried splashing a new color and instantly felt like i spit in the decks mouth.

>>54822996
what deck is this?

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>>54822996
>tfw no lgs

this is suffering

>>54823099
Im not sure this general will pick it apart sit on it and get no use out of it. The problem is its not that consistent an has some unwinnable matchups and others that you a guaranteed a win. Its a guaranteed win against ds players.

>>54823321
>garenteed DS win
tell me more.

>>54823354
The turn one hand removal helps you on most hands you draw and often they do that over fatal pushing you bop
I turn 3'd a guy at a gp but when the sideboard hits it hits fucking HARD

>>54823410
list?

>>54798883
Magic cards have intrinsic value based on rarity and demand. Do you think your money doesn't have any intrinsic value either just because it's printed on paper?

>>54798883
man shut yo dumbass up

>>54823548
Really dont want to but
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/splinter-freight-train/

>>54798883
It is my hobby and I spend my salary as I please. It's none of their busniess really.

Do I Abzan, grixis shadow or uw control at my pptq tomorrow?

>>54823563
>intrinsic value
Nice meme.

>>54823859
>GDS
Everyone is sideboarding against you
>UW
Tron gets a free win.

Play Abzan.

>>54823563
You have no idea what intrinsic means.

>>54820032
I want to commend us all for being in a place that 4x ash zealot is real advice.

>>54823563
Money and Magic cards have extrinsic value, with money's value being based on the Federal Reserve and Magic's value being based on neckbeards with poor money management.
j/k

Is Summer over yet?

>>54824273
It's a fast red deck, ash zealot is fine over relic/nihil bomb

I'm so excited for the GP tomorrow, friends! One guy I came down with won 2 byes because his sealed pool was nuts without even counting the two invocations, I did half and half in events all day.

>>54824344
I've been here since 2014, fuck off """oldfag""""".

>>54824430
Someone is projecting.

>tfw been here since 2010
Where the fuck did the time go?

>>54823795
That looks like fun.

>>54824488
2006 reporting.

>You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave

>>54824546
Grandpa! grandpa! can you tell us what time spiral was like? pleeeeeeease?

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I want them to give me back my past.
Hypergenesis was fun.

>>54797603
This data is pretty worthless without knowing a) the specific decklists b) whether the players actually played correctly. For example the Affinity sideboarding was beyond retarded.

>>54824546
>spending more than a decade on 4Chan
not sure if I envy or if I pity you.

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Blue moon is fun!

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>plays tron
>is a cuck

can't make shit up

>>54825894
more like kiki-cuck lmao

>>54825894
It takes a real man to pick up and finished what one man started.

t. Proud stepdad

>>54824214
>Tron gets a free win
The same is true for Abzan though.

>>54822409
Honestly anon, most budget decks are a waste of money because they're hardly ever good, and the cards usually aren't usable anywhere else. The only viable "budget" decks are mono red burn and mono green stompy

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how would you try to make this card work?

alternatively, what's your favorite garbage and how do you try to play it?

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>>54826416
Some artifact based junk with this

>>54826416
Just use any of the many infinite-creatures combos. You don't care about sacrificing permanents when you have over ten million goat tokens or something.

Favorite garbage is Worship-based decks because it tilts everyone except Tron, followed by a WR Blood Moon & Taxes build because fuck Tron.

>>54825571
I wish Blood Moon decks were good ;_;

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Thoughts on this ? Have been working on this list for quite a while now. The mana is pretty much fixed, I'm not sure about the 3 Vials instead of 4. The Ramunap Excavator is here to exploit the GQ and Horizon Canopy.

>>54826721
Isn't WR prison Tier 2 or something ?

>>54826721
>>54826895
SKRED
K
R
E
D

why does magic card.info group all the proxies so close

my hands aint that steady, im not a surgeon

>>54826917
>Skred

Free win red is better IMO

>>54824706

>This data is pretty worthless without knowing a) the specific decklists b) whether the players actually played correctly. For example the Affinity sideboarding was beyond retarded.

You'd find this information if you just simply typed "jace the mind sculptor" into the search page on the site.

http://modernnexus.com/testing-jace-experimental-setup-qualitatives/

>>54826878
bump

>>54826878
looks fine d00d except I don't like gavony township especially in a deck that can't run fetches

maybe cut one for another forest or a different w/g land

cut an excavator for another vial too

sideboard?

>>54826878

This is kind of less hatebears and more like GW flicker/value.

>>54828271
Yhea, I was wondering on the two of Townships too... But it doesn't hurt the manabase too hard.

Will change the Excavator for another Vial. I'm still working on the sideboard but you can except it to be the classic White hate package with RIP/SS. Thinking about getting Mana Tithe to swap the PtE out against creature less matchups like Ad Nauseam

>>54828518
Well, to be fair the HateBears shell is exactly Leonin Arbiter + Thalia, the other bears being Scooze (which I run 2 of) and Quasali Pridemage, which I intend to run a copy or two in the sideboard.

Usually Hatebears complete itself either with the Flicker package much like D&T or with other value cards like Loxodon Smitter and Brimaz.

I chose the Flicker route because I feel it works best with Vial.

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>>54828796

Well then if you're going to maximise the flicker route add some Kitchen Finks and an Eternal Witness or two maybe.

Also run BOTH Thalia's. Trust me they completely wreck an opponents sequencing and slow them down completely.

This is the list I run online and in paper, though bear in mind sideboard and main is kind of geared towards my meta. I don't know what yours is like.

>>54828882
I would like to but I don't have any room left for those pieces except getting out Ramunap Excavator but the whole point of this build is to run it...

Was Wizards printed good land destruction yet?

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>>54829059

Alright then cut Ramunap down to 2. You need to start applying pressure early on if you're also being disruptive. I'd definitely put Qasali Pridemage's main because as it is you have no way to beat Ensnaring Bridge mainboard and that card does show up every now and then plus it also beefs up your smaller dudes into bigger attackers, it's why i run Noble Hierarchs in my list as well.

I'd cut Voice of Resurgence completely unless you're running 4 because it's either a good card in your meta or it isn't and you want Wilt Leaf Liege and Exalted triggers to make it HUGE that your opponent just feels bad playing Fatal Push against it.

If you're dead set on the Leonin Arbiter+Ramunap+GQ lockdown plan then you can run some spicy to fuel your land plan.

>>54829196
I never knew that card existed. Are there any more un-whatevers? I know of Gifts, of course.

>go 4-0 as GB tron
>go 2-2 at next event, mulling to 4/5 three times and losing 2 more games where I should have mulled to 5
I had something similar to this happen last week. Anyone know how to deal with variance as tron?

>>54829228

I've been trying to break that card for years, I might actually be able to have a use for it now. I'm fairly sure Realms Uncharted and Gifts Ungiven are the only one of their kinds.

>>54829269
Dang. I want a full cycle of those now. Realms seems really hard to break in Modern due to the lack of exploration effects and no Dark Depths. Might be a real fucking spicy addition to Legacy Lands, though.

>>54829228
Agreed, though I just want more thicc moonfolk/elf butt in my mtg art

>>54829291

Legacy Lands I think has better land tutors already. However this does seem to have application now with the Ramunap Excavator in Modern since you can safely vial it in and then play the GQ and blow up their lands. Pair this with Azusa and you go like 3 times.

>>54829357
What lands would you fetch in Modern aside from Ghost Quarter? GQ land denial sounds sorta hilarious though once you start recurring 2 per turn and just melt your opponent's manabase.

>>54817223
If you really want to open packs, I suggest something other than Amonkhet at the very least

>>54817223
B U Y S I N G L E S

>>54829412

It wouldn't matter, you can just fail to search different ones. Ghost Quarter, Gavony Township, Tectonic Edge, Horizon Canopy is a good suite. Alternatively you can just choose to find only the GQ and Tec Edge and then they bin those and then you replay them from your graveyard with the Excavator.

Fuck if you want to get extremely spicy you can get Grove of the Guardian as well and make an 8/8 Elemental with Vigilance and then replay it again if your Excavator is still alive. I mean I probably wouldn't do this because you're already stretched on colourless mana sources already but fuck if you want to do things for shits and giggles sometimes you can do this.

>>54829255
You don't

>go on /tg/
>no legacy general
>log onto xmage
>no legacy games open

mtg is dead

>>54826878
Not sure if it's something you're interested in, but if you add a Dryad Arbor you can Vial it in on 0

Maybe not worth it but it's a cute landcritter.

>>54829816
we all knew it was coming. it was just a matter of time

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Been toying with a budget UR polymorph list. What do you guys think? I'm a bit unsure on how many copies of each of these spells I'm running at the moment. Basic idea is polymorph Emmy out T4, ideally with counterspell backup or hasted from Hanweir Battlements.

>>54829816
Soon to be modern in a few years. I for one, welcome our frontier overlords.

>>54830724
I'd say drop a couple lands and bring in more Serum Visions but overall, I like the deck.

>>54830724

I feel like Lightning Bolt is largely pointless. The decks that would give you problems, like Grixis Death Shadow that actually run counterspells and discard, aren't affected by Lightning Bolt.

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>Be chad Eldrazi Tron player
>Completely destroy control virgin at LGS two weeks ago so hard he raged left the store
>He also lost 2-0 to the Death Shadow player
>Hasn't been back since

i want someone who owns memeslivers to take down another top8 using metallic mimics

>>54830724
>>54831159
Seconding this. Maybe a few Forked Bolts in the sideboard if you're worried about elves/mana dorks, but I'd leave soft spot removal out otherwise.

I blocked someone's creature and as I thought I had a vocal confirmation from him to go ahead with assigning combat damage, putting one of the creatures blocking him into my graveyard, he said "wait!" and played an instant that would affect the outcome of the damage dealt. I ended up losing the match 0 2. What's the best thing to do to resolve ambiguity about when everyone is done passing priority like that?

>>54832029
>declare attackers
>active player passes priority
>active player passes priority
>declare blockers
>active player passes priority
>active player passes priority
>assign combat damage
>active player passes priority
>active player passes priority
>move to second main

Don't take creatures off the board until you enter second main.

>>54832106
SBAs would be performed in the end of combat step, not second main phase.

>>54832118
You're right. My mistake.

i bought a booster box of AER and broke even. got a foil walking ballista

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I'm trying to make this deck work, I am planning on replacing the sprite nobles with spell quellers, I am working on getting one last path to exile, and exchange the godhead of awe with something else in side.

>>54832353
S K Y H U S S A R

>>54832353
seconding sky hussar

if you're going to play a shitty deck at least play the shitty meme card that goes in the shitty deck

>just finished proxying an entire legacy death and taxes deck with sideboard
>dont belong to an lgs
>havent played mtg in person against anyone in years
>no mtg friends

what am i doing with my life

>>54832597
go to lgs

in my experience the vast majority of legacy players are chill normies who are fun to be around who won't mind playing against your proxy list because they want more people to get into the format

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>>54830724
8 P O L Y
P
O
L
Y

>>54830724
I like the idea of this a lot.
>>54832353
swap an anthem for a hussar, card is gas. swap the skirmishers for judges familiars

with 4 queller 4 judges i dont think the negates should be in the mainboard. if you want spicy interaction, azorious charm, hindering light, blessed alliance, maybe even unified will or manaleak (but even then i don't like holding countermagic in u/w flyers)

>>54832769
20$ for the spells
60$ for the """budget""" lands (100 if you want 4 spirebluffs)
fuck is izzet landbase bullshit pricey

>>54826917
>>54826895
None of these are good. Problem with Blood Moon decks is Moon doesnt win the moment it hits the table like bad players make it seem like. Merfolk, Burn, Death and Taxes, Abzan Company, and other decks can easily fight through it.

>>54830750
Modern is significantly less expensive then Legacy and much more popular to boot. Moderns going nowhere and Frontiers already dead.

>>54830724
>>54832769
>no kher keep

Looking to build around God Emperor Bolas. Any must haves that ya'll can recommend? or should I trust peons at the LGS

Is Death and Taxes seeing a resurgence?

>>54825571
Is it any good? Do you have a decklist?

>>54832769
It's early in the morning, but I'm not usually this stupid

What the fuck are you polymorphing into?

>>54836062
I couldn't tell what the target was either.

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>>54824546

>Iktf

>>54832597

At least you didn't buy the deck in real life despite having no friends and nobody to play with like meeeeeeeeeeeee

>>54832769
>>54830724

Hey, for 8 Poly wouldn't it make more sense to have at least three targets for you to morph into? Because it would be the Living End problem, if you draw into your wincon naturally then you have no way to morph into it.

>>54825894
Sad

>>54837356
I'm running 4 Faithless Lootings and 3 Izzet charms that can all loot away Emmy if I draw her naturally, so that's not really an issue with the current build.
>>54831133
>>54831159
>>54831678
Thanks, sounds pretty good.

>>54837533

Ah, true about the Looting/Izzet Charms, I forgot about them.

>>54822172
Throw in all 8 modal spells (Boros Charm and Atarkas Command) and you have some choices. And of course you can interact through removal but generally you're relying on your opponent to do something strange that your cards just happen to interact with. For example did you know that skullcrack stops protection from working?

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>>54836028
>Is it any good?

No but it's fun, I've been winning most matches but I really struggle sometimes, I'm considering sideboarding in some GY hate.

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Zoo nerd here. Could sideboarding 4 helix be okay for the burn match up?

Also, I main board 1 plains, sacred foundry, and temple garden because I run 4 path. However I've been thinking the single plains might be best off being another land or creature due to potentially not wanting it in my opening hand. Do I sideboard my plains and board it in for when I side in white cards?

Pic related is my secret one of tech

Any good tempo deck that are not fish, bant Eldrazi or anything including Tron ?

>>54838939
>tron
>tempo
See >>54829255

>>54838722
>Could sideboarding 4 helix be okay for the burn match up?
no. you need to play BFT and/or Kor Firewalker. Helix isn't shit because Skullcrack turns it into Lightning Strike and Chain is terrible because Ghost Quarter exists.

I'm honestly debating buying into MTGO. I haven't touched Xmage since like Wednesday where I played Rated-Serious matches for three hours and didn't face one deck that was even fringe tier 3. How do you people use this tool to practice? I feel like it'd be more beneficial to drive to my LGS and wait for someone with a Modern deck to show up or just watch VODs of someone playing my deck in a competitive MTGO league or at a GP or something.

I'm just trying to learn how to play Magic, I don't want to face your shitbrews, I want to face Eldrazi Tron and GDS and Affinity and Burn. I've been playing Xmage in total for about a month, and I've seen those decks once, zero, once, and once respectively.

Is it worth just buying into MTGO? My friends say you start making your money back in competitive leagues pretty quickly, but they're also the lowest level of pro system or around that level.

Can someone tell me what format allows a playset of Gitaxian Probes?

>>54839381
Legacy.

>>54839329
>put in title "t1/2 decks"
>???
>profit

>>54839381
Pauper.

>>54839329

>giving your money to Wizards for a buggy client straight out of 1998
>Right when they've announced that they'll be announcing their new magic online product later this year

Yeah man, you should totes do it. it's such a good investment. You're not stupid at all.

>>54839402
People still join without T1/T2 decks despite that, and I can't exactly check to see what they're running before T1 Hardened Scales or T2 delve for Hooting Mandrills.

>>54839395
>>54839407
Thanks guys!

>>54839329
xmage is a mirror of who actually shows up to a 1k: 80% memers and 20% actual spikes.

>>54839454
see i have the problem of getting paired with uw draw-go in every other match. its so fuckin irritating, lel.

>>54839454

>I bet if I join a program where people have to pay REAL money for cards I'll run into less jank decks!

lmfao you are a fucking idiot

>>54839452
Is there another client populated with enough people playing enough variety of the format where I'm not falling behind the people who are grinding competitive leagues nightly? Because the only barrier for MTGO is the price, and I'm slowly starting to see why a ton of people pay that price. I can't always practice and playtest with my friends in real life, our schedules don't always line up. If I'm only playing serious Modern against real decks at FNM I'm not playing enough to actually get better and I'm not even keeping up.

>>54839650
Your 1ks sound less spikey than the weekly events at my LGS where the low-end on power level that consistently shows up is Skred and Jeskai Control with Sun Titan and Saheeli Rai.

>>54839693
So what are my options then, friend? The lists that 5-0 Competitive Leagues on MTGO at least some what mirror the best lists in the format. Why would people pay real money to jam bad cards in online leagues that have paid entry?

>>54839741
>Why would people pay real money to jam bad cards in online leagues that have paid entry?

why do people run jank at FNM with paid entry, friend?

>>54839131
I agree with the first one, it's a one of sided, just a pet card. Oblivion ring probably a better choice?

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>>54839741
>Your 1ks sound less spikey than the weekly events at my LGS where the low-end on power level that consistently shows up is Skred and Jeskai Control with Sun Titan and Saheeli Rai.
go work the room during the first three rounds of your next modern 1k (i assume you're already qualified for an rptq/invitational and won't be able to play) and tell me what you see.

>>54800675
>fading
ma nigga
suspend was also fun. I liked the idea of having power peaks and troughs, where you needed tempo.

>>54826077
>supporting the genetic of deadbeat dads/parents in general who cant get their shit together
wew lad

>>54839807
Do they? I mean people run jank stuff sometimes but it's a lot less frequently than I've seen on Xmage. At FNM you also get the added experience of playing in real life with others at a card shop which can make the evening eventful despite playing a bad deck and doing poorly. People are less likely to drive to an event and do poorly at it than they are to sit at their desk at home and lose games.

Also my vague understanding of MTGO is that it divides Leagues into various levels. People would be more likely to throw casual decks at each other at the casual level where they have a chance of a payout at the end than in the competitive level where they're going to get hit by T2 Thought-knots and Anglers and never have a chance.

>>54839848
I believe you, I just normally don't pay attention to the room in total at events. Tend to focus on the guy across from me and the X-0 and X-1s. Might be fun to look at if I drive with some guys up to one soon. With FNM being casual night, it's kind of funny to see competitive events have less serious players show up. Maybe my shop is just really really competitive? I've only ever played at one shop, but it was like this for limited, Standard, Modern, and Legacy. Coming with a jank brew was a waste of time unless you were taking the week off because you were likely going to 0-2 drop unless you paired against the one deck your brew preyed upon.

>>54838939
Fish is the only tempo deck you listed. The only deck in the format that does something similar are going to be the few flavors of Delver (Temur is tempo; Grixis is more midrange), and Grixis Death's Shadow. Tempo is a deck between aggro and control that seems to set the pace of the game by landing a threat, putting your opponent on a clock, and playing countermagic/kill spells in order to protect said threat.

>>54840003
for the majority of players it's really just about being actually good at your deck, rather than working the meta. for example brad nelson can work the meta because he's got byes and doesn't have to play the 0-2 drop homarid tribal decks in r1 & 2 at a gp. he expects the meta decks to clean up the majority of the chaff and he in turn can clean up the expected meta.

fwiw my lgs' core players generally farm 1ks, scg tour top8s, gp day 2s and we have one person that played in PT Amonkhet

Splinter Twin unban when?

>>54840383
unban everything and ban all dual lands when

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Here's my secret tech, guess what I'm playing

Hint: it's not Goblins

>>54840801
Some Blood Moon deck. Alternatively, UWr control.

>>54840869
Nope.

>>54840801
jeskai burn or w/r something.

>>54841033
Negative

>>54840801
jund

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>>54840801
Goblins!

>>54841911
We have a winner

>>54841919
I like this guy, he doesn't use hints.

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Goblins are so cute. My favorite goblin is Raging Goblin.

>>54842085
>not mudbutton torchrunner

>>54842111
That one is turbo cute too! But look at Raging Goblin and that axe that is bigger than him. He rages at everything too. Adorable tough little guy like a chiwawa.

>>54832932
Not to mention the zoetic's should be replaced with mutavaults for ~$20 added cost.

Went 3-4 drop at the GP. Apparently there was a lot of Tron at the top tables. Like, normal Tron.

Meming aside, whats actually going to be banned/unbanned realistically on the 28th?

>>54843371
Death's Shadow is going to be banned even though it isn't even close to the biggest threat in the format because Wizards loves listening to the Pro players and no one else.

>>54843412
>DS banned
I for one welcome our Eldrazi Tron overlords

>>54843419
>[[[ceremonious rejection intensifies]]]

>>54843465
*Cavern's behind you*

>>54843482
>*ghost quarters*

>>54843119
i actually like zoetic and mutavault for different reasons, muta is obviously bonkers for 5 mana polymorphs (or 3 mana broods), but zoetic can curve into a 4 mana poly, and has some cute morphtricks.
muta is probably better, but i feel a split isn't too harmful

>>54836062
no, i am the stupid

Emrakul should be in there. Lands also need unshitifying (add tarns etc) but the og list was budget

>>54834012
>>54843598
and also this, forgot about those based kobolds, that's fuckin genious my dude

>>54843412

Like, I don't want to ban DS but the deck itself is really good, and the only card I would get rid of is Streetwraith to make T2 Anglers and powering up huge DS a little harder. The deck could still be the "Best" deck though, I've seen absolutely disgusting value out of GDS even without SW.

The Tron/Eldrazi menace..... Ban ETemple, simple as that. T2 TKS and T3 RSmasher is backbreaking and happens more than you think with Bant Eldrazi and people running Serum Powders/Gemstone Caverns in ETron. Big Tron/Combo Tron is good, but I don't think the Tron lands need a ban, but a new hate cards that target colorless producing lands.

>>54844463
>Serum Powders/Gemstone Caverns in ETron
Nobody does that in Etron you dolt, you're thinking of the other Eldrazi deck that's more akin to the eldrazi winter decks with mimic and stuff.

>>54843223
>normal Tron
>normal
>Tron

So urzalands and nothing else? What an awful way to describe a deck. What colors were they running, faggot?

>>54843412
>implying
I'm convinced Wizards changed their MTGO data releases specifically because netdeckers (in the worst sense of the word) thought DS was some crazy metadominant deck when it actually is not

>>54843508
>quartering a cavern instead of an urzaland
>when they even have tron in this armchair magic """debate"""

what are you doing

>>54844694
Obviously traditional non-eldrazi tron. Think B/G and R/G. It shouldn't be a hard connection to make.

>>54843412
If the ban announcement is just Death Shadow ban, no unban, no E Tron hit with it then im fucking quitting. I play Burn, and I can hold my own against ETron I beat it lasr night, but the deck is obnoxious and it makes the format super boring.

>>54845251
>I'm quitting if wizards doesn't baby the format for me
It's like I'm playing mobas all over again.
>it's a burnfag too
wew
I bet he's only been playing for a year.

>>54844726
>implying I don't just counter all their threats

>>54844726
If my plan is to abuse Snapcaster and Cryptic Command to counter all his shit, you bet your ass I'm blowing up the Cavern.

>>54845292
Like I said, its beatable, its not like im on Memerange and I just cant beat it. Its just if im not enjoying the format why bother playing it? Ill wait till they fix it. The only matchups I even enjoy atm is Affinity, Shadow, UW Control, and Counters Company. The latter two which are close to unplayable.

Affinity, Eldrazi Tron, Shadow > Burn, Titanshift >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything else

The lower tier decks dont even hold a candle to the tier 1 decks atm. Burn and Titanshift just barely hold on.

>>54845609
I don't know senpai, that Hussar Monument deck seems pretty darn nice dsu

How do my fellow burnfags have trouble with gds? Jesus Christ they do most of the work for you, just horde your spells until you can kill them through 1 or 2 counterspells.

>>54845876
The problem is that they don't need to kill themselves. Turn 2 Anglers are easy as shit to pull off.
The matchup is definitely in our favour though.

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Here's what I pulled today from 6 packs (5 aether, 1 kaladesh). Anything stand out?

Fatal push is pretty good no? made 33% of my investment back at least.

>>54845919
Push and Trawler are pretty much the only cards of any real value from what I can see, and Trawler is only really played in Eggs.
Anyways you should be buying singles if you wanna play modern senpai

>>54845876
I havent had trouble with it recently. I enjoy the matchup kinda. Im just not keen on the format rn.

>be me
>drunk AF playing Affinity on Xmage
>opponent is filthy subhuman playing eldrazi tron
>puke out 5 cards T1
>c-chalice on zero
>I already cast half the 0 cost cards in my deck
>win on T5 with ornithopters and signal pests

>game 2
>land, chalice on zero
>play spire, pass
>opponent plays Chalice on 1, passes
>play glimmervoid, ancient grudge chalice that is on zero, play Ornithopter and Opal, pass
>he tries to play Relic to exile my Grudge in the grave
>it gets countered by his own Chalice
>He concedes immediately upon realizing what he has done

I didn't even have Plating or any other creatures in my hand desu he shoulda kept playing

>>54846297
>implying affinity & eldrazi tron arnt both decks for sub humans
ftfy

>>54846378
Nigga you can't do an >implying greentext and say ftfy
You didn't fix nothing
You're fucking dumb

>>54845784
Hussar is a total joke, newfag.

>>54846378
>deck that requires an incredibly high degree of knowledge of how to properly sequence spells and lots of math, that rewards risky plays
>subhuman
you're gay desu

>GP calls Knightfall Coralhelm Combo
>SCG calls Knightfall Bant Retreat
This bugs me so much. Knightfall is such a cool and accurate name

>>54844521

All Eldrazi decks looks the same to me. All I know at the end of the day, is that when I see a ETemple hit the field on T1 or T2, is that I'm going to end up like a Japanese school girl in some twisted porno: fucked by a tenticle monster.

All Eldrazi decks enabled by ETemple need to be brought down. But until then I must wreck scrubs with Eldrazi/Tron.

>>54846378

Eldrazi decks and Tron decks of all flavors are straight forward to play, I agree. Slam Etemple/Tron and play good cards. Affinity is not so easy, players who vomit their board end up BTFO by any number of mass removal spells and stony silence. The difference between good and bad Affinty pilots is real.

-T . Someone who hates Affinty

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