EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>54786030
Skeletons, Bears, or Fungus.

>finally found the guy who commands my minotaurs
>have to wait million of years for more viable minotaur tools

zzzzzzz

>>54786030
I'm pretty content with Vampires and Wizards, but I really wanted Spirits. Especially after we got a bunch of new spirits matter cards in SOI.

>thread question
Grixis horrors with a discard reanimator subtheme. I would never play anything else.

new wiz commander isnt actually good unless they print cards to go along with it
fight me

>>54786023
>5C Cost reducer
>worst

>>54786010
Wizard > Dragon >> Vampire > Cat

The cat could make some explosive plays for 1v1 but in multiplayer it's dead in the water. Edgar slightly less so but he's still fairly easily cleaned out. Ur Dragon does exactly what his tribe needs but is only servicable. Wizard Chick could be good but it'll take a day or two for folks to break her in half.

>>54786030
Spirits, Horrors with ETB and LTB effects, Skeletons, sea monsters all in a single deck since it always sounded kinda dumb having Serpent, Kraken, Leviathan and Octopus as separate types.

>>54786030
What >>54786067 said. I'd love to have gotten Horrors as one of my favorite tribes. Faeries, Kor (as the equipment tribal), and Spirits would've been cool too. I have to say that I'm happy with Wizards at least.

>>54786030
>What tribes do you wish WotC had gone for?

I just want a Mardu Samurai Commander, that's all. I don't even care if it just ends up a shitty Tribal deck (it would) I still want it.

>>54786081
>unless they print cards that go along with it
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&subtype=+[Wizard]&text=+[Enters]+[the]+[battlefield]&color=+![W]+![G]

>>54786081
>cards to go along with it
You mean like any wizard with an ETB or a tap-ability you'd care to use on your own turn?

>>54786092
>Serpent, Kraken, Leviathan and Octopus
Should've just done them all as Sea Monster and called it a day. Everyone knows that Saint Traft is the best sea monster commander though.

Ninjas and they shouls have used thd opportunity to make some more common and uncommon ninjas so they can make it a thing in masters sets

>>54786030
Sultai Fair Folk (Fairies and Elves)

>>54786030
>TFW you fucked up the OP and put the header between Gatherer and Magiccards.info

Kill me now. Ugh, not worth deleting and remaking this crap over though.

>>54786117
>your own turn
Pretty sure she doesn't have that restriction.

>>54786030
>Griffin's have tribal support
>Horses have tribal support
>Gorgons do not
At this point I would not be surprised if Camel or Monkey Tribal happens first

>>54786116
>>54786117
there is not much worthwhile here, yet.
We really need wiz with decent etbs in order to make this commander anything more than meh
yeha sure you get mnemonic wall effects, and getting card selection
but unless you are tying to win with wizard punch or god help you... keeping 5 wizards on the field for about 10 turns

>>54786081

M8 it's a fucking emblem, did you forget?

>>54786030
>Thread Question
Give me Bear/Druid tribal damnit, I just want to be able to play all the functional reprints of Grizzly Bears.

>>54786170
Most wizards lack flash though.

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>>54786030
>What tribes do you wish WotC had gone for?
Spirits.

Also am I the only one who hates the goad mechanic?

>>54786213
It's in U. The color that can give all your shit flash super easy.
Vedalken Orrery and Leyline of Anticipation say hi.

I don't get the excitement about the new Wizard commander. It will be complete cancer.

Still worse than Azami, but cancer nonetheless. There's nothing interesting to be had because brain dead conspiracy combos or generic goodstuff.

>>54786216
Goad is fine and very Red. What don't you like about it?

Does artificer have tribe support? I know servo/thopter does, but what about the dudes who make them?

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>>54786202
and yet without worthwile wizard etbs its worse than other even crosis

>>54786193

What sort of etb effect would you like? Arhaemoancer + time warps is already insane with this commander

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>>54786239
Mostly I dislike it because they have to attack another player. If they just had to attack it would be fine, because I could punch the red bastard in the face for making me attack.

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>>54786216
Yes

>>54786216
It is a little weak, but it is a fun mechanic in that it works well with multiplayers and still does something in 1v1.

It was a lot of fun in draft.

>>54786249
They don't need to be etb.
There's also ltb and any tap effects, since the copies come in with haste and untapped.

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>>54786243
:^)

>>54786251
you casting that timewarp at instastpeed or do you just assume you have 2 of the like 4 extra turn effects that dont exile in your yard when you cast your 5 mana restock
which is normally 5 mana anyway

>>54786249
Archeomancer, Venser, Snapcaster, Dualcaster aren't good enough for you?

My friend has this sliver queen planeswalker tribal deck he wanted me to get some feedback even if anyone thinks its shit he's not very bright if it helps

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-queens-good-stuff/

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>looking out for the Dragon deck
>new dragons seem actual fun
>ur-dragon looks more fun then scion
>mfw realizing i'll need ten fetches and shocks

>>54786267
Too op
Bans imminent

>>54786259
Oh, you're not a Red player and complaining about Goad.
Look at this man and laugh.
Goad has been the first good thing for EDH Red has gotten in a long time.
Red is far and away the weakest color in EDH, and it sorely needed the small bit of help Goad gave it.

>>54786230

And teferi, a fuckig wizwrd

>>54786280
Fuck fetches. Be a man and run shitty lands rather than breaking your wallet.

So Sundial of the Infinite lets the wizard tokens stay around indefinitely, right?
Same interaction as Sedris?

>>54786274
not good enough to build an entire deck around, no.
like I said im willing to give them the opportunity to spoil more decent wizards but as is its strictly meh

>>54786230
It's possible, but never "super-easy"

Kitty is very strong in 1v1, not so much in 75% and strong in casual battlecruiser.
Edgar Winter Group is going to be a fun fucking commander, but will be Skullclamp or Die.
Ur-Dragon is pure timmy bait, it's easily the weakest. If I'm running 5c dragons, I'm running toned down Scion Druid combo. Scion is way easier to turn online and work with.
Wizard tits is pretty much "You better have Snappy or don't even fucking bother". Will probably replace Jeleva in cEDH lists since they never cast the bitch. Conspiracy effects and flash enablers are traps.

>>54786251
I'd rather have Taigam and make my time warps uncounterable, without extra mana investment. That bald fucker is easily MVP of the set.

>>54786030
>What tribes do you wish WotC had gone for?

Rats. Skeletons. Oozes. Elementals. Spirits. Treefolk. Go on, take your pick.

>>54786280
>shocks
>not running the A/U/B/R duals

Have fun dying to your mana base. :^)

>>54786267
>Cat Blacksmith comes in with a hammer, and some really retarded looking glasses

>>54786273

Try snap + archaemoncer + time warp ya dingus

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>>54786282
That reminds me. How the days go by...

>>54786305
And the Black part of the card then comes into play.
Demonic Tutor and nearly every other tutor say Hi.

>>54786216
I like goad because of it's wonkiness. I have some goad in my Zedruu deck to further reroute damage off of myself. Also, forcing one guy to attack the other player with your card seems annoying enough to get a giggle out of me

Azami + inshalla means all your wizards tap for 2 cards instead of 1

>>54786123
Care to explain?

>>54786332
>wasting a d-tutor on vedalken orrery
Yikes

>>54786332
You're putting in an awful lot of effort to make this trick work. I honestly doubt flashing wizards opens enough more playables to be worth the package: ones with tap abilities you can afford to use when they normally come down (ie: your turn) are going to be way better for her.

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Anyone posted this one yet?

>>54786243
What do artificers even do as a tribe? Thopter/Servo production is just connected to them through flavor.

>>54786309
Jeleva helps with storm casting stuff for free though, it's not gonna change I think.

>>54786259
The 'another player' clause isn't the end-all of the ability.
If all other opponents have some type of pillowfort-like effect or if they(the Goader) are the only remaining opponent, you're forced to attack them.
I think the flavor fits rather well with a scheming politician provoking his enemies/false-flagging betrayal theme.

>>54786303
It isn't like it costs much to have her in the command zone. This is an incidental benefit. You can make the rest of the grixis deck do whatever you want.

>>54786328
>snap + archaemoncer + time warp
exactly what are you trying to do here
>pay 4 for regrow effect
>pay 1 for regrow effect
>regrow snap and time warp
>cast snap
>untap 2 lands
>cast time warp
am I missing something here?

>>54786387
Doing it again on extra turn?

>>54786367
She has to attack though, which requires either slots or your opponents being idiots.

Grixis storm has to run Snappy and shit, so this seems like completely free value.

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I know she was just in last thread but fucking hell, I had a feeling they were saving the best for last.

>>54786298
>So Sundial of the Infinite lets the wizard tokens stay around indefinitely, right?
yes
>Same interaction as Sedris?
Yes in that they will stick around, no in that it doesn't get rid of Undying's perma exile if the creature were ever to LtB (sans-flicker)

>>54786387

It's infinite turns m8. Starting at 9 mana, but only using cards that were already good, time warp and snap can be in he gy or hand

>>54786273
We've already gone over this. Most extra turn effects don't exile, helped by three functionally equivalent copies of the same card.
>b-but I can't afford Capture of Jingzhou!
Get a fucking job.

>>54786407
I still don't get why people like this.

Pure cancer in every form.

>>54786395
yeha i mean congrats on spending 10 mana a turn to take extra turns
needing to see 3 specific effects with only a handful of redundancy
strictly meh

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This thing plus Sever the Bloodline, because fuck non-legendaries.

>>54786410
Right, I forgot about that last bit on Sedris anyway
Thanks

>>54786413
>9 mana
thats 10 bro
5 mana for time warp
4 for archmancer
1 for clone

>>54786357
???

>>54786427
We don't like it and everyone's been in agreement since Oloro that Eminence is a really stupid and blatantly OP mechanic.
But people play it because it's OP and they have to feel good about themselves by playing OP shit, just like with Meren and Atraxa and Leovold before he was banned.

>>54786407
she should have had a weaker body desu

>>54786448

Play time warp, play archaemoancer no clone

Next turn, play land, snap archaemoancer, play it, clone it, play time warp

Etc etc

Starting at 9

>>54786459
>playing OP shit
its not op in any way shape or form
unless they print some insane etbs on wizards in this set

>>54786459
I actually thought the other eminence cards were fairly costed for how relatively minor and restrictive their effect was.

Then this bitch shows up. Wizards don't fucking have an identity. It is all just generic good stuff. Why couldn't they do clerics or rogues, fuck.

>>54786479
>play it (4), clone it (1), play time warp (5)
10 mana you mong

>>54786419
Is this bait?

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>>54786030
>What tribes do you wish WotC had gone for?
Elk

>>54786479
>you play a land that reduces costs instead of tapping for mana
lol

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>>54786437
It is a fun "fuck everything" combo, but it won't affect tokens, since by the rules tokens aren't "cards".

>>54786030
>What tribes do you wish WotC had gone for?

Rats. There's a lot of anti-rat tech in the cat deck so it seemed like an opposition thing.

>>54786030
I wanted an Eldrazi commander with "If ~ is your commander, you may include any colorless or eldrazi cards in your deck regardless of their color identity". That way I could play a deck with all the "colors" of eldrazi and devoid spells and still have a dumb colorless commander.

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>>54786531
I would laugh if they made a rat deck and it had like 20 relentless rats on it.

>>54786358
Not him and I don't have the full thing about it on hand, but there was something about a messed up lore piece saying Saint Traft was eaten by a sea monster or something.

>>54786480
You are not getting that if you are playing a single decent wizard in your deck, this general is more worthwhile than 8 of the available 13 grixis generals.

Because she does something for nothing. You don't need slots for greaves like Crosis or Nicol Bolas. You don't need to spend thirty mana for a minor effect like Sedris or Garza.

>>54786104
The Mardu Marchesa is actually pretty good for that.

>>54786427
>>54786459
Fuck you, this is the Wizard commander I've been waiting for.

>>54786492
Her ability is maybe about one mana more worth of value, and she has to pay mana to use it. Maybe 2 in the case of Arahbo comparing roughly to strengh of the fallen and Arahbo is actually a pretty nice effect in 1v1 to get for free. All the eminence effects are powerful.

>>54786555
>Because she does something for nothing.
Eminence is such a shit mechanic. But then again, I would be a fool if I expected wotc to not shit up the format.

>>54786497

Right but you started the turn before that with 9 mana. I'm saying you can start your infinite turns at 9 mana because your first extra turn ramps you 1

>>54786563
She's good for any aggressive Mardu tribe. Monarchy is an extremely underrated mechanic.

>tfw people will have the same hate for me they have for Meren, Breya, or Atraxa players because I planned to pick the wizard deck up before it got spoiled
Man, fuck this. This is the worst timeline.

>>54786555
that something either requires you to play wizard cards you otherwise wouldnt or takes up the command zone slot, one of the most powerful things about edh.
Hard pass as is desu
this is why Zur is the best esper commander and oloro is just mildly annoying

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>>54786577
Oh yeah? So you can fucking Demonic Tutor for you Lab Man? Fuck you.

Fuck Wizard decks. They're all the same. Because if you aren't doing the only good thing with wizards, you're playing trash like this that does fuck all.

>>54786515
Yes, and no. Capture of Jingzhou is too expensive to purchase on a whim. But there are more non-exile extra turns than there are exile. Part the Waterveil, Temporal Trespass, Temporal Mastery, Expropriate, and Ugin's Nexus and Gonti's Aether Heart if you want to include those.

>>54786591
>your first extra turn ramps you 1
no guarantee of that when you already need to have 9 mana before unless you run like 60 lands

>>54786620
I just wanted to do goofy Wizard shenanigans, but shit like Lab Man always give them a bad rep. This isn't my fault.

>>54786526
there are still some tokens that will get hit, like kobold of kher keep tokens

>>54786123
I agree. In fact I get really fucking frustrated when I try to explain this to new players and they don't believe me.

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>>54786407
And away we go.

>>54786584
But Arahbo's effect is only really meaningful in 1v1 and cats are a shitty tribe compared to Wizards. A standard GW deck has maybe 2 or 1 cat in it. Any random Grixis deck probably has 4 wizards if not more.

>>54786620
I can create a token of labman so he's harder to remove :^)

>>54786620

My wizard tribal deck doesn't have lab man because it's not a fun way to win, also if I drew my whole library the game is over anyway, I can do anything I want

>>54786641

Okay good point, I'm thinking of my azami deck where I do something similar but it's guaranteed I hit another land drop cuz I'm drawing 4+ cards a turn

I'll concede it takes 10 mana

>>54786619
Okay. Fair enough. She's less cancer than Zur or Leovold.

I'll give you that. Grixis doesn't really have crazy busted build around me generals though, so being a good generic card is more cancer than it seems.

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>>54786620
>Wizards

>>54786651
The fuck are you talking about. I was replying to a post about how absurd her eminence is. I was saying all of them have a powerful eminence ability. I litrally said Arahbo's stregnth was in 1v1. Grixis storm decks are going to play Inalla, yes. High Tide decks literally only play jace to be able to flash back high tide. Storm decks will play this just to double dip on snaps.

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>>54786030
Why the fuck don't we have a Legendary Skeleton other than Skittles. We've got dozens of zombies but no love for skellies.

>>54786650
See, now that's a combo. Clean, efficient, doesn't require you to hit 9 mana, and is effectively a two card combo. Time Warp, Archeomancer and Snappy is too many moving parts and too much colored mana. Ashnods should really eat a ban, but it won't.

>>54786650
how does it work

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>>54786735
You insult me.

>>54786650
There it is. Knew there had to be a way to break this.

>>54786604
Imagine being someone who begged for Bant birds.

>>54786643
If you can make it fun, I'll accept it. But you know it is true, there is either the normal Azami deck, generic goodstuff or garbage unplayable cards from Odyssey block.

There's no janky, fun good shennanigans here.

>>54786771
Damn, beat me to it.

>>54786650

Now her price is really going to spike. I probably deserve this on some level.

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>>54786706
Marchesa, The Black Rose is pretty nifty

>>54786733
I'm saying that Arahbo's isn't powerful outside of a ridiculously tight niche.

Only she has a strong eminence. Okay, Edgar's is okay too, since Skullclamp.

She's the only one I can see being cancer.

>>54786752
Cast Bloodline Necromancer. Inalla's ability on the stack, sac Necromancer to Ashnod's, make your copy, which targets the Necromancer in your grave. When it enters the battlefield, do it again. Make infinite 3/2s for 7B.

>>54786620
What a sperglord

>>54786752
Cast Bloodline Necromancer, make a copy, sac the original with Ashnod's Altar, and use the copy's ETB to revive the original. Use Mana from Ashnod's to repeat. I assume anyway.

>>54786745
Also nice that it's made of cards that are useful on their own.

>>54786745

It's not really a 2 card combo though since you need something to do with the colorless mana

>>54786752
>Play Necromancer
>Inalla triggers
>Sacrifice Necromancer
>Pay for the trigger with mana from Ashnod's
>Copy Necromancer
>Copy Necromancer revives original Necromancer
>Return to step 2

>Net gain each cycle, one 3/2 token with Lifelink and haste, and 1 colorless mana

If you actually control Inalla, you can even use the tokens to kill someone past a Glacial Chasm or other anti-combat tech.

>>54786752

>play bloodline necromancer
>trigger inalla, sacrifice necromancer to ashnod's altar
>use the two colorless mana to clone bloodline necromancer, recur bloodline necromancer
>trigger inalla again, repeat

win with fireballs, combat damage from bloodline necromancer tokens with haste, inalla's activated ability...pretty much whatever you feel like.

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>>54786650
Wow.

Now I'm even more bored of this Commander.

>>54786815

How is ashnod's altar useful on its own in a wizard deck?

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are we posting wizards now?

>>54786776
I'm probably going to do something with untap and tap effects that the Wizard lords give to wizards. Probably something involving Docent of Perfection as well.

>>54786745
>Ashnods should eat a ban
Holy fuck there are actually people who think this shit

>>54786796
Her trigger being end of turn prevents her from being as cancer as the big 'uns, but I get your point.

>>54786815
You've got your stack a bit wrong. The copy's ability targets, so the Necromancer has to be in the grave already. You respond to Inalla's ability by sacrificing.
>>54786821
No, the copies have haste.

>>54786752
Necro ETB
Trigger Inalia in response
Get Hasty Necro ETB
Sac OG Necro for Altar in response
Get <><>
Hasty Necro brings back OG Necro
Repeat 200,000 times and wipe everyone out

2 Card Twin

>>54786840
>Prevent people from jacking your shit
>Prevent people from exiling your shit
>Sac stuff to cast more shit that you're going to probably end up getting back later
>Adds mana

Alter is more versatile than you think.

>>54786821

Oh nvm didn't realize you get to keep the token versions. This combo is actually extremely good since one of the pieces is a goddamn emblem

>>54786752
>bloodline enters that battlefield, triggering inalia
>sac bloodline for 2 mana
>pay inalia trigger
>get bloodline token
>token enters, etb bring back bloodline
>bloodline enters, triggers inalia
>sac for 2 mana
>pay trigger
>etc
>eventually have enough wizards to overrun the table through combat or burn them out if inalia is on the battlefield with her second ability

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>>54786814
Work sucks right now and I don't like Wizards as a tribe.

My posts get ignored when I try to be evenhanded.

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>>54786532
Something like this would be real nice to allow a true Eldrazi tribal deck, instead of limiting us to either pure colorless or using a non-Eldrazi commander.
And yes, this could work (not entirely sure on wording but meh) because of the recent rules change where you can make off-color mana normally, and colorless decks tend to have a lot of mana rocks and lands that can make any color.

>>54786840
Ashnod's is useful in pretty much any deck. There are few times where I wouldn't mind having it to make something out of a soon-to-be-wiped board of tokens or some such nonsense.

>>54786851
Yeah, I figured I had something out of order.

>>54786821
You have as many 3/2 Hasty tokens as you have colorless mana.

It'd actually work even better with Phyrexian Altar, since it would let you cast Inalla if you need to tap them all.

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>>54786847
She gets pretty scary with pic related and some field wipes.

>>54786854
You fucks have to get this right or else you'll be laughed out of your LGS even harder. Sac the OG Necro in response to Inalla's effect. Necro has to be in your grave when the copy comes into play or else it can't target.

>>54786840
Sac the copy wizards you're getting from Inalla.

>>54786892
True, but cancer? Compared to stuff like Animar that can sneeze and go infinite? Or Zur who grabs Necropotence and shit?

>>54786811
Youre not considering the amount of free value youre grtting out of this. Edgars and ur dragons efects are both solid 3 mana enchantments, except you get them for free. Inallas is an exact copy of a 4 mana rnchsntment but u like the others it costs so its fair dor it to be a little stronger. Arahbos is thd farthest feom an existing card but its close to strengh of the fallen ehichbwas 2 mana, but arahbo requures way less set up and happens automatically so its probably closer to 3. I repeat, all of these effects are very powerful for the cost of usage. Hell, we had oloro and his eminence was literally just gain 2 life and he was ban worthy for duel and still popular for normal commander.

>>54786909
Yeah, not saying she's broken OP, but still a good card to combo off of.

>>54786650
holy fuck this looks like a fun combo

>>54786840
You can sac the tokens your commander makes before they die in order to get mana.

>Ban cards because some tier 2 combo general
This Commander will be tier 2 at best, no where close to the powerhouses like Zur, Prossh, Azami, Arcum Daggson, Scion, Selvala and so on. The combo is basically the Nim Deathmantle + Grave Titan + Ashnods, which isnt breaking anything

>>54786459
atraxa isn't OP

>>54786812
Also infinite mana, since you make 2 for each sac and only need 1 to get a copy.

>>54786811
>arahbo, a -maned- lion
>she
Jesus what the FUCK, my man. There's furry, and then there's even further beyond, where you reside.

>>54786950
>the single most used as a Commander card ever printed
>not OP

Should i pick up an overgrown tomb played for 3.5Eur?

>>54786947
>two card combo is basically 3 card combo, two of which are expensive
Damn, /tg/ is bad at magic

>>54786910
But cats are garbage. The only way you can get value is from 1v1 where running bears and shit works because they have 20 life.

Free is cool, but the cost is having to put cats in your deck.

I get you have to run Wizards for the wizard chick, but giving Hunting Cheetah +3/+3 when you randomly draw it in your hundred turn 12 isn't as powerful as just turning your Snappy into two.

Arahbo's effect is bad not just because it is cats, but because despite it being free, it does nothing if your deck isn't hitting cats early on.

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>>54786957
Did you just ASSUME that cat's gender?!

>>54786957
Gotta get that cat pussi

>>54786973
No, it's not. She just draws in waves and droves of scrubs because she's a keyword soup that encourages Superfriends, a shitty deck type that idiots like, and Infect.

>>54786947
>The combo is basically the Nim Deathmantle + Grave Titan + Ashnods

You're forgetting the tokens have haste, and one of the combo pieces is basically an Emblem. I'm not arguing that she'll be Tier 1 because of it, but it is a much better combo than you give it credit.

>>54786973
mcdonalds is the single most visited fast food place

that still doesn't mean that they're good, just that they're aiming at the lowest common denominator, just like atraxa players

>>54786957
The other guy said her.

I don't care about the cat general, I was just repeating after them.

>>54787002
>le food analogy may-may

>>54786978
pls help

>>54787015
Just because it's a food analogy does not mean it's any less correct.

>>54787015
Call of Duty is the best fps of all time man.

>>54786988
So its a slightly more efficient version of that combo. Please tell me how this is breaking anything? When I can just olay Selvala and have a lethal board state turn 4, or Grand Arbiter Stax and have you never even be able to cast this combo because of a ton of sphere effects. Instead you have terrible players of this game saying Ashnods should be banned because some terrible precon commander. It reminds me of how Razaketh was supposed to be banned and hes barely playable.

>>54786990
There are 13 1 drop cats that work with this and I didnt bother counting 2 drops but there should be plenty. This deck is about as fast as Zurgo and far more threat dense. In 20 life and maybe even 30, every creature being a tarmogoyf or better for absolutely nothing is absolutely absurd.

>>54787042
>Razaketh was supposed to be banned and hes barely playable.
That was the work of a shitposter that you took seriously. Have sex.

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At what point should I stop?

>>54786876
needs some riff on delirium.

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I'm so glad I don't play EDH.

>>54787075
When you're living under a bridge and the other bum you play magic with dies from malnutrition/overdose.

>>54787042
>a slightly more efficient version

That's an understatement.

>>54787085
Playing Yugioh would be much, much worse.

>>54787065
Lol you underestimate how bad most commander players are. Ive seen at least 5 Razakeths shoved into decks at my LGS, often replacing better cards but they think "damn neutered Griselbrand is good lol". Then they never even get to cast him cause hes 8 mana or even if they do and can tutor a few times it doesnt end the game till next turn giving plenty of time to win yourself or disrupt them.

>>54787091

Well, if he has healthy inner organs, you can sell them for more cards

>>54787106
Speaking as a person who likes both, you're absolutely right. Yugioh is a shit show right now.

>>54787052
>I'm saying that Arahbo's isn't powerful outside of a ridiculously tight niche.

I don't know if you've been following this chain, but that's my point. He's only good if you're willing to run tons of cats and only if you're playing in 20-30 life formats (which no one cares about and shouldn't influence balance anyway).

He can't be cancer the way this card is. That's why her eminence is the only one I consider cancer so far.

>>54787042
T1 Swamp, Mana Crypt, Ashnod's.
T2 Swamp, Dark Ritual, Bloodline Ritual
How many cards do you need to pull of T2 Ashnods Deathmantle Grave Titan?

So uh how much are the stores gonna price gouge that Wizards deck

>>54787075
Why do you buy stasis and bayou for so much?

>>54787152
Hopefully not much, I wanted to try wizard shenanigans

>>54787121
Yugioh's been a shit show ever since Fusion spam, and then Synchro spam, and then XYZ spam, and they had to amke an entire new card type anc completely change how special deck summons work to stop all that, and yet everyone alse hates the new mechanics.
They have absolutely no fucking idea what to do, especially now that literally every card has to be unaffected by effects and un destroyable and able to counter everything else to even be worthy of considering play.
They don't know the meaning of the phrase "power creep" and it blatantly shows.

>>54787111
Reminds me of this one guy who makes god-awful decks and has almost no personality other than moaning a lot.
His Simic deck has gone through at least 5 different commanders and has Omniscience, Temporal Mastery, all the Eldrazi he can cram in there and fucking Primal Surge in a 15 Sorcery/Instant deck, which he has repeatedly whiffed.

And he makes generally bad decisions that end up adding like 30 minutes to the game, such as Evacuating a board when a mere 3/3 is coming at him and no one else has anything else of value out on board.

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>>54786876
A much more likely way of doing it would be an Eternal Pilgrim, the Eldrazi worshippers like Ayli, who has something like "You may pay {W}{U}{B}{R}{G} rather than pay the mana cost for Eldrazi spells that you cast.", or some other way of sneaking a 5c identity onto an Eldrazi-Matters commander.

>>54787140
Arahbo is only good for Lost Leonin memes, really.

>>54787152
If you look at these outside of obvious game stores, you can get them at the base recommended price.
I always keep finding fairly priced sealed products on bookstores.

>>54787140

>her

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Hopefully the wizard's deck it's not going to explode in price as much as Atraxa

>>54787214
You do realize that Arahbo gives only one Cat +3/+3, but the secondary effect of doubling power and giving trample for 3 mana is whenever each cat attacks, and so it triggers and can be used for every cat you have, right?

>>54786650
add a blasting station in the mix and you have a fast way to kill people, great

>>54787214
I once lost a game to a Sol Ring Ichor Claw Myr into Ensoul Artifact into Rancor.

I had a blocker too.

Fucking nonsense. Infest isn't broken, but fuck, man. What are the chances?

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>>54787243
Hopefully wotc will have a decent fucking print run this year.

>>54787192
I enjoy Commander with certain people but I seriously cant stand people who get salty. Like no one cares if you missed your land drop for 3 turns in a row, fucking scoop if you are getting that upset. Theres always that one guy whos never happy unless hes winning, usually in the most autistic masturbation way

>>54787245
>Having to pay 3 mana per cat for an overrun

Sure.

>>54787214

I mean you can play straight up Savannah lions Arahbo cat aggro in a casual meta. Just the other day I played against some dudes running rupture spire. Arahbo cat beatdown can contend with those people

>>54787152
Don't buy at your LGS. Go to Walmart or Barnes and Nobel. Those places don't shift prices based on secondary market cost, but instead on their own inventory, which means that even if the deck rises in price because of cards in it, over time those decks will fall in price because they're not flying off the shelves, because who goes to Walmart for Magic cards?

>>54787245
His second effect requires him to be in play, so who cares.

>>54787271
The tokens have haste.
Switch out Ashnod's for Phyrexian Altar and you can just use Inalla herself if you can't attack for some reason.

>>54787296
>worrying about mana on green

>>54787296
A BETTER Overrun that you always have access to (since its your commander) and that can buff way more than just +3/+3 considering all the tribal and non-tribal Anthems GW has access to.

>>54787180
>forgetting Nekroz
>forgetting PePe
>ignoring Master Piss turbo
>forgetting Monarch Meta where you had a competitive tier 1 deck for $100
>they had to amke an entire new card type anc completely change how special deck summons work to stop all that, and yet everyone alse hates the new mechanics.
Oh anon, you forgot the best parts. Most decks can just make Decode Talker and Proxy with the help of Gofu being unbanned and just masturbate from there. If that's not enough, if you pop a monster in your extra deck zone and revive it, you can put it in the main monster zones. Links didnt even touch Zoodiac, Master Piss or Dino, decks work just fine

>>54787271
>makes infinite mana
>makes infinite 3/2s with haste
>durr, needs a Blasting Station

>>54787243

So glad I recently grabbed the last of the good wizards I didn't have for my azami deck. Now I just want to see some good blue wizards spoiled

>>54787280

Aren't commander products printed on demand?

IIRC for C16, the thing was stores had to order in cases which contained one of each deck, and if everyone wanted Atraxa the other ones would be just taking space in some warehouse

So stores didn't order more and atraxa spiked

>>54787326
I have been out of the game too long to know any of the cards you're saying, but somehow it all still sounds cancerous.

>>54787327
>commander also has a non combat damage way to burn opponents out with those tokens

>>54787285
In said place, there was a guy who used to come in regularly who is kind of what you described. If you so much as point at him for no reason, he will become flustered. He also claims he refuses to play red and has almost every blue deck under the sun aside from OG Nahiri.

I LOVE YOU, NEHEB

BUT WHY ARE YOU SO BAAAAAAAAAAAAD

>>54787327
Sorry for some reason I didn't think about infinite tokens

Maybe I just like blasting station a little too much

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Y'all are fucking fools. I've already built Arahbo and cats work just fine with a free +3/+3 for the sole purpose of being a cat. Arahbo's strength is so powerful Sacred Cats are 1 mana 4/4's with Lifelink, or possibly 8/8's with Arahbo on the field, who returns itself.

Cards like Nacatl Warpride, Hunting Cheetah, Brimaz, Phantom Nishoba, even just vanilla Panther Warriors are good when Arahbo makes PW into 9/6's, and then doubles them into 18/12 trample. Then add in Obelisk of Urd, Door of Destinies, Konda's Banner, Regal Caracle and Pride Sovereign.

Y'all are fags, and fools.

>>54787365

If it ain't tier 1 it's trash my dude

>>54787365
Your deck is fine and fun and probably solid.

But the argument is that eminence didn't have to be cancer and they were doing good at not printing a braindead ability that can slot in any deck with a few of the tribe.

Until now.

>>54787353
>I've been out of the game too long
>Lemme comment on it anyway
Why speak then?

Good Christmas commanders? I want to use some of the silver bordered Holiday cards but I need a commander for it. 2-3 color so I can use more of the silver cards.

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>>54787365

kys faggot. cats are shit

>>54787448
Sek'kuar and other cold snap generals are probably your best bet.

What are your most hated cards to play against? Bonus points if they're in Grixis. Trying to make a Nezukar deck as obnoxious as possible so that I can give one last fuck you to my LGS before I move away.

>>54787399
Are you kiddig me? Every other emin3nce ability is quantifiably more "braindead" than Inalla's. Hell, all 3 of them are literally just "play a creature of this type". At the VERY least, at a BARE MINIMUM, Inalla needs you to hold up extra mana.

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>>54787449
no u

>>54787407
I'm not >>54787180, just a disgusted bystander.

>>54787471
>Trying to make a Nezukar deck as obnoxious as possible
So literally every Nekusar deck ever made, since they're all 95% the exact same list, and all the same level of "fuck you"
https://edhrec.com/commanders/nekusar-the-mindrazer

>>54786030
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

>>54787180
Fusion spam was never a thing. Main deck monster effects were always better than older fusions. Synchro spam didn't become a thing until Xyz started to push Synchro Toolbox out.

>>54787471

Humility
Contamination
Scrambleverse

>>54787519
Nobody forgot.

>Pay 5 life: Choose one
>-Put 3 +1/+1 counters on Licia
>-Licia gains haste until end of turn
>-Licia gains flying until end of turn
>Activate this ability only on your turn and only once per turn
I fixed her

>>54787546
What the fuck are you on about?

Correct me if I'm wrong:
Inalla + Mana Echoes + Sidisi's Faithful + Gemstone Array = infinite mana of any color

4 cards, but still. Just throwing it out there.

Gonna build Insallah combo with every tutor known to man and all the fast mana just to make salt lords extra butthurt about eminence

>>54787488
Braindead in terms of deckbuilding. You are making fucktons of sacrifices putting in garbage cats and reasons for worthless vampire tokens to be worthwhile.

Her you can stick into the helm for any deck that runs a single wizard with an ETB. If you are running a general for the colors, there is zero reason not to use her unless you literally have zero wizards, which I doubt since there are at least 3 that are generic goodstuff that fits in most decks.

>>54787543
Stop feeding the discordfag. Just ignore it and join the rest of us in being based no-discord OPs whenever a thread dies.

>>54787577
>insallah
i see what you did. and i don't like it.

>>54787596
Should have responded to >>54786357

>>54787592
At this point I believe that the replies are from the discordfag himself.

>>54787155
Already had them from some Unlimited starters my uncle gave me ages ago.
I had a Forcefield too but sold that for some revised duals.

>>54787614
Unfortunately it wasn't :/
I fed the troll.

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>>54786216
>Also am I the only one who hates the goad mechanic?
>>54786259
>If they just had to attack it would be fine, because I could punch the red bastard in the face for making me attack.

lmao

>>54787494
Cats are the superior animal for superior people but as a tribe they're kinda shitty.

And when I win with Insallah ill say "Gee looks like I didnt even have to cast my commander, thanks Eminence :)"

>>54787471
Forced Fruition
ALL THE CHAOS SPELLS
ALL THE MLD AND BOARD WIPES

A couple -- just a couple -- ways to skip your turn or draw.

Goal: Win by mill-out on turn 92 or later. Use leyline of the void to kill Eldrazi Titans or Scrabbling Claws if you want to run one yourself.

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>>54787577
>>54786650
You can use Mistbind Clique instead of Bloodline Necromancer as a back up.
You don't get the attackers but you can still generate infinite mana and you get to tap everyone out.

>>54786216
>Also am I the only one who hates the goad mechanic?
I doubt it, but I for one love the mechanic. One of my main decks is a politics/pillowfort Marduchesa brew. It has some wincons of its own, but its main "wincon" is working the table over to make them turn on each other. Goad is the perfect way to force the issue (along with player control) so I'll have to find a place for Goad Everything.

>>54787360
How is neheb bad? I was going to start building him soon and would love to hear your opinion and experiences

I made the mistake of joining in on a "fun idea".
I had a meme randomly selected for me, and now I have to build a memedeck based on it.

What commander could I possibly use for a Pickle Rick deck?

>>54787694
I don't get it.

>>54787739
Do you have a list?
I'm trying to build a inverted pillow fort\total war marchesa and i could use some references

>>54786735
Skeletal Ship Doot Doot

>>54787569
The combo being:
>have Inalla and Echoes on the field
>play Sidisi's Faithful (gaining 2 mana from Echoes) and create copy with Inalla (gain 3 from echoes. total mana = 5)
>copy exploits itself to bounce the original back to hand
>use Gemstone to filter 4 of your 5 mana into U and anything else
>mana pool is now 1UX
>repeat using the U to recast Sidisi's Faithful and the 1 to copy it
always netting one mana in the process.

>>54787820
Grixis taking turns, rat, and insect beatdown tribal?

>>54787823
>Mistbind enters the battlefield
>Stack the triggers so Inalla's trigger resolves before the Champion trigger
>Create a copy of Mistbind
>Copy Mistbind Champions the original Mistbind
>Taps out target player
>Sacrifice Copy Mistbind
>Return to step one

>Net gain each cycle, 1 colorless mana and a "tap all lands target player controls" ability

>>54787820
definitely simic
>brine elemental

that's all i got

>>54787823
>Mistbind enters
>Put champion on the stack
>Put "make token" on the stack above it
>Make token trigger resolves, pay 1, get a token
>Token's champion goes on the stack
>Champion the original
>Sac the token to Ashnod's gaining 2
>Original enters the battlefield, generating Champion and make-a-token triggers
>Once you make a token you'll be where you were the first time, only with one extra colorless.

>>54787569
>>54787866
I'd rather just go for the Bloodline Necromancer + Phyrexian Altar plan.

>>54787854
WARNING: It's not competitive. It's probably not even 75%. But it is fun...

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/divide-1/

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cryptolith rite is gonna spike in price with c17

>>54787929
Me too, I'm not saying my combo is better. Just noticed it and decided to point it out.

>>54787569
That requires you to play garbage cards like Sidisi's Faithful and Gemstone Array.

>>54787942
Hello Cryptolith-fag, been a while since I last saw you, now get the fuck out.

>>54787942
i feel so bad about getting rid of my earthcraft ;_;

>>54787955
You don't really need to mention Gemstone Array though.

>>54787955
>>54787998
Oh wait, you do or you can't recast the thing. Never mind.

>>54787938
Hey, I'm not one to judge, I run voting matter cards just for fun

>>54787360
Lars pls go

>>54787893
>>54787888
Maybe I can combine these and go with Mimeoplasm.

Then, by exiling Brine Elemental and some Plant, he can literally turn himself into a pickle, Morty.

>>54787942
It'd have spiked with Paradox Engine already.

>>54787365
So, it's just another tier 2 deck at best is what you're saying?

new player here

if i cast winds of change while i have arjun out it makes me put the cards from my hand on the bottom of my library and then draw that many....and then i shuffle my hand into my library and draw that many again?

christ if theres anything I hate more than legacyfags is competitiveedhfags

>>54788113
yes.

>>54788113
Yes, since Arjun triggered after you cast the spell, it resolves first.

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This is bretty gud.

>>54787942
Des stop, it didn't work for standard it won't work here.

>tfw can't decide between Kitties or Wizards
Fuck

I love stupid combo bullshit but I have yet to build GW and that deck looks like a decent place to start

>>54788150
>>54788148
so it's pointless unless i have something that triggers off of card draw? hmm.

>>54788162
I want that in an Ixalan Pirate deck

>>54788176
This is the only place it would work, standard be damned.

How do we stop Desolator before his influence consumes the thread?

>>54788162
Jori-En with Mechanized Production as my wincon.

>>54785018
>Demonic Tutor with Faust quote
Which printing is this? Appreciate any help.

>>54788216
stop making posts about him, faggot

>>54788231
German run of Unlimited

>>54787942
Whos the guy in that cycle of curses?

>>54788216
who?

I guess I'll pay the $130 canadian dollars for all 4 and sell the wizard deck when she spikes up to 200.

>>54788162
>>54788194
>Tfw Treasure and Gold are different
>Gold can't contribute to Revel in Riches

>>54788216
Well fuck you for reminding me of his existence.

>>54788292
Des...

>>54788264
Some random Hipster Millenial.
Makes the cards almost unplayable to me based on art alone, I'll be looking for alters asap.

Just downloaded that old MtG game

What am I in for?

>>54788264
Some unlucky douche

>>54788299
The treasure is friendship, not gold or jewels

>>54788299
Fucking tragic

>>54788216
why do we hate him again?

>>54787449
Dogs are by far the worst pet I've ever had with their nonstop crying and barking, and they're so inept they can't even piss without your help, and they pose threats to children. At my line of work, every bleeding bite ive ever had, every animal that's ever chased me into my car, every animal that's ever put me flat ass on my back, all faggot ass dogs, with their braying and crying all the fucking time.

I truly don't get why they're so popular.

>>54788298
Atraxa is the single most played Commander and you can buy the precon for $50. The price spikes are retards on eBay trying to price gouge and shooting way over the mark.

>>54788315
You do realize that that hairdo has been a thing for a lot longer than this century, right? It recently got picked up by hipster douches again, but it's not exclusively there's.

>>54788131
Why do you care that there's some groups of EDH that wants to play competitive decks with each other?

It doesn't affect your group or stop you from playing less fast/powerful decks.

>>54788315
The art is him getting fucked over constantly. If you don't like him, that's all the more reason to play them.

Rollin for next build

>1-3
Daretti Stax
>4-6
Gaddock Teeg Hatebears
>7-9
Seton Druidball
>0
Tazri ADVENTURE

>>54788318
>that old MTG game
Oh yeah, right, THAT one.

>>54786620
>talking shit on crowclaw elder
Fucking fight me mate!

>>54788346
You realize the incest spergs on this website don't realize ANYTHING, right?

>>54788162
putting this in akiri/thrasios.

Help /tg/, I need some viable ways to build Licia to prove /tg/ wrong, mostly the same as Zurgo voltron but with more lifelink effects?

>>54787306
Me everyyear people sperg out about preordering and every year i walk into wallmart and pick up whatever i want day 1.

>>54788318
JEWELED BIRD
Play as many as you can until your deck is mostly power.

>>54786259
So this is what autism looks like.

>>54788318
Schandalar

>>54788415
run things like martyr of sands and the cheap extort spells. congregate and benevolent offering can help give big discounts, for when you have to cast licia for the 8th time. they work especially well if you are running the deck in a sort of soul sisters way. but seriously, martyr of sands will do gods work in reducing licia's cost.

>>54787448
I knew a guy who had his feldon altered to look like santa. So I gues just pick the commander that has the best toys and get an alter.

>>54788259
Thank you very much. I'm going to try and get one.

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Who the fuck watermarks the card they are going to spoil?

>>54787448
Zedruu, obviously.
Give out Christmas presents.

>>54788722
Eternal Magic.

>>54788729
K, but why?

>>54786280
run amulet of vigor and the 3 colour taplands

>>54786216
yeah i actually was kinda hoping for goyfs

>>54788743
Because they're Eternal Magic.

>>54788608
If you have access to mcm there is a printing of it that costs about 20€.

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>>54786259
>forcing the salty anon's value creatures to attack and probably eat shit from blocks
boo fuckity hoo for you

>>54788817
RIP in Peace Ramunap Excavator.

>>54788231
>>54784590
Post yfw they print the Judge art with the Faust quote in Iconic Masters.

>>54788817
I mean, fucking players over while you pretend to be clever is blue's job.

>>54788852
No one is implying that red players pretend to be clever

>>54788852
Saying Blue is the only color that gets to do tricks is R&D's job.

>playgroup is so Timmy/Johnny that $100s of Skullbriar beats makes me the Spike
Agh I just want simple synergies to not overrun the table.

>>54788850
masters 25 you mean

I really hope Dinosaurs will be dogshit in Standard so that I can grab all of them in foil for EDH for cheap.

>>54788924
Are you getting Masters and From the Vault mixed up?

New thread

>>54788942
>>54788942
>>54788942

>>54786526
Could do this with Cornered Market as well, or Declaration in Stone. Pretty spicy with Doubling Chant as well.

How well does this work with Eradicate?

>>54789016
You could Eradicate your own creature with spy kit, in a UB deck, and have most of the rest of your deck be Shadowborn Apostle and Mana Severance and win with Lab Maniac I guess?

>>54786030
I would have been really happy to see skeletons, rogues or assassins, ogres, and elementals.

>>54788415
Soldier tribal.

>>54787642
Give them time, Wizards is "trendy" and cats are always beloved so we'll keep getting potential good cats each set.

aren't you supposed to declare attackers and before announcing who you;re attacking give people the opportunity to respond to that? cause if you just say you're attacking someone without giving notice they can technically just respond knowing that theyre being attacked instead of another player?