EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>54781195
>What long-dead mechanic do you want to make a return?

Epic
Banding

Friend mentioned "aura shards cat", has anyone seen this spoiled?

>>54781195
I would like Rebels back in a supplementary product.

>>54781194
Vamps, surprisingly.

>>54781193
Not when they're Roman.

>>54781215
yes its 5cmc and has reach, look on mythicspoilers before posting

>>54781215
Quali Slingers.

It only triggers on cats. Don't get too excited.

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Check out this qt I fucking pulled from the booster

If I use Kiki-Jiki to copy Solemn Simulacrum do I get to draw cards when I sacrifice the tokens?

>>54781230
wow a 10c card

>>54781231
Yep.

>>54781231
Of course

>>54781231
Yep. Sacrifice causes "dies" triggers.

>>54781231
I cant check but doesnt SS require him to die? Does the kiki token get exiled? if it does then no you wont draw a card

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>>54781230
For a common/uncommon she is pretty fug

>thread question
Replicate and Epic

>>54781194
Mathas, New Blood and the kill yourselves spell make me want to buy vampires but I'm still waiting on Wizards spoilers.

Didn't notice until now, but I guess we're getting a second Taigam in the Wizard deck and Mairsil.

Is there any hope that there will be a boros commander in the vampire deck?

>>54781248
Kiki tokens are sacrificed.

>>54781195
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

>>54781265
It would be kind of odd but not impossible.

>>54781195
>Thread question
Ninjutsu.

Maybe under different name, but give me ninjutsu, it was fun.

>>54781265
>Boros
>even if it gets a commander it will be trash
Don't disappoint yourself anon

>>54781257
What do you mean by this

I love the new curses. White is shit, but I can't think of anything else appropriate.
Maybe if it cost 2 rather than three.

>>54781257
You mean Taigam pre-time fuckery, the backstabber one?

>>54781269
ah ok. forgot what they all did

>>54781273
Why does this guy keep posting?

>>54781278
The Wizards podcast confirms a second, different Taigam and Mairsil will appear.

>>54781276
They've said that ninjitsu and bushido will probably come back with different names

>>54781238
>>54781240
>>54781244
God damn do I love Kiki-Jiki

How's he not more than $10?

>>54781286
Because people keep replying.

>>54781221

For some reason it wasn't visible for me

>>54781287
thats really cool actually.
im guessing he will be in the wizard deck and be black blue considering he went with silumgar

Hey tripfag.
https://cockatrice.github.io
http://www.woogerworks.com
Don't ever talk to me or my general ever again.

>>54781265
>Boros

Just play Naya, Mardu, or Jeskai

>>54781294

Reprinted a few times recently

>>54781289
Aw yiss.

Ninjutsu-giving commander could be fun.

>>54781286
just ignore him

>>54781286
Because he feels slighted that someone might not want to advertise his cancer.

>>54781277
If only WOTC would think outside the box with red and white. Seriously, does every commander in those colors have to be combat focused?

>>54781300
They talked about it being Taigam when he was double-dealing with the Sultai, so yeah, likely UB wizard.

>>54781323
Not in this set just vaguely in the future.

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Just in terms of precon vs precon, this seems like fun to cast on hungry lynx.

>>54781333
>He forgot about Brion, King of Fling, who Need Not Swing to Win
I know we've got something of a lack of interesting R/W commanders but I'm getting fucking sick of hearing that they're ALL combat focused.

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>>54781333
Because what else could Boros do?

>>54781352
Imagine if the wizard deck has azami

>>54781352

Hey, an image of Olivia that doesn't make her look ugly. Crazy.

>>54781362
MLD, but that's badong.

>>54781368
>implying futa Olivia is ugly

>>54781333
>>54781360
Newest Avacyn is kind of fun to build around too, and doesn't NEED to be combat focused.

>>54780723
Boy that's a solid, if not boring commander. But that is something I'd like to try and build around. Hope Ixilan's white vampires are halfway decent.

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reprint

>>54781333
Gisela isn't combat based. Her ability works wonders with earthquake and stuff like selfless squire.

Brion gives no fucks about combat.

Depala and Basandra are combat centric in some ways, but can be built differently.

Boros's problems are weak generals, not the niche.

>>54781352
>steal lynx
>replace rat
>sac all vamps for huge kitty

>>54781195
I'm glad to see this printed because it's exactly what I need for my lich combo deck. Though I wish I hadn't bought that chronomantic escape now. When something phases out do you get LtB triggers?

>>54781439
Akiri is also kind of interesting though she isn't really just boros because of partner.

>>54781452
No. It stays on the battlefield but no longer exists. Put a cup over it to replicate the effect.

>>54781452
It doesn't leave; it stops existing altogether. So no, no LTB/ETB.

>>54781439
Oh yeah, I forgot about Gisela.
I remember I once played against a really nasty Gisela control deck. Spot land removal, light stax, and Mana Barbs was a brutal combination.

>>54781439
Archangel Avacyn can be built like Gisela. In fact I would argue that she's great for Boros control if you feel up for a challenge.

>>54781461
I dunno if I can really call a big beater as interesting and not combat based.

You could do Boros Partners though. Tarl and Akiri, playing Myr Battlesphere and swinging for 7 doublestrike lifelink.

Boooooring.

>>54781484
100% forgot about her. She didn't show up when I searched for obvious reasons.

Lets you run fun shit like Mark of Asylum and Hammerfisf Giant.

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>>54781439
>Depala and Basandra are combat centric in some ways, but can be built differently.


Basandra can be built completely creatureless. Lots of landmine and rattlesnake effects and opponents kill themselves while you watch.

>>54781511
Basilisk Collar, Repercussion, blink effects. She actually has a couple of build options. It's funny how people build her to either stay as White mode with blink effects, or flip her almost on command for damage.

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>>54781352
So how does this work with homing sliver?
Do all your vampires in your hand get slivercycling or vampirecycling?

>>54781512
Oh, I know. I've done it. I switched it to Marchesa, but I know. It is hard to convince people that that isn't "combat centric" centric though.

Even if it doesn't swing for lethal.

>>54781550
It replaces all stances of the chosen type, so the vamps will have vampcycling.

>>54781550

Vampirecycling I'm pretty sure. Creature types can exist within a compound word

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>>54781257
>Mairsil

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>>54781555
People have ridiculous standards for "combat centric". Which is funny, because at the same time they automatically declare everything that's even slightly combat centric "boring".

I like turning dudes sideways. The fact that it makes "you must have at least 50 counterspells in deck" fags furious makes it even better.

>>54781195
>Thread Question:
>Holy crap, Phasing. What long-dead mechanic do you want to make a return?

B A N D I N G

PLEASE, WIZARDS

>>54781195
>Superfog

I like it, except it should have been called Superfog and been green.

>>54781257

I'm hoping that not all the wizards are just evil wizards and that's why it's Grixis. I have few hopes for that.

the other thing I hope is that it's not secretly zombie tribal with a bunch of wizards in it.

>>54781635

This. I unironically want banding back because the concept of that ability is so fucking cool. HOWEVER they should introduce an errata to the ability that makes it both simpler and stronger (simpler for obvious reasons and stronger because every single card printed with banding is unplayably weak).

>>54781195
>Teferi's Protection
Considering pic related is one of my all time fav cards, this is exactly right up my alley.

>thread question
Numbered Poisonous to return, and for Infect to be banished from existence forever.
The biggest problem with Infect is the ability to buff the creature, especially with combat tricks, to bypass Life and kill someone with a single swing.
Numbered Poisonous was far more balanced because no matter how big a creature got, it still dealt a static amount of poison.

>>54781352

>Vampires you control have protection from Vampires
>at the beginning of your end step, target opponent creates 1/1 black Vampire creature token with deathtouch
>Whenever a Vampire dies, put +1/+1 counter on each Vampire you control

that's gonna get nutty real quick

>>54781195
They totally could have bent the pie and make this blue as part of the Wizard deck and to make this playable in Teferi himself.

>>54781679
You don't know that Teferi was a WU Walker in lore, do you?
This makes perfect sense in W, both in flavor and mechanics.

>>54781550

They get slivercycling. Slivercycling isn't a creature type that the card can replace, but even if it was, that would give you a broken rule that does nothing because it would just be the word "vampire" hanging there.

To work how >>54781567 and >>54781575 suggest, the rule would need to be "sliver cycling" rather than "slivercycling"

>>54781647
It's white, so it's a Super Holy Day, like christmas or 4th of july.

>>54781678
Don't forget
Tap: Create X red 1/1 Vampire tokens, where X is the number of Vampires you control.

>>54781605
Ye, this was the kind of stuff I was hoping for.

>>54781678
You can only replace either Cat or Rat, not both.

>>54781688
Yes his actual Planeswalker card and Creature are mono blue, making this unplayable in a Teferi deck.

>>54781678
One creature type, silly.

>>54781679
Fuck off.

This is a white card.

Fuck spaniards on mcmlads

>>54781352
>>54781195
It's weird to me that they can knock it out of the park with interesting and unique designs like this, and then just not try with the generals in this deck.

>>54781647
Doesn't white have the larger majority of "protection" cards

>>54781709
So? You also can't play Teferi's Moat or Teferi's Care or Teferi's Honor Guard in a Teferi deck, are you gonna whine about that too?

>>54781707
It says one creature type, but I think that's just awkward wording since you never chose.

>>54781689
The reminder text says that slivercycling is used to search for slivers. So if what you're saying is true, The vamps will get slivercycling and end up searching for vampires anyway.

>>54781732
That would require some actual insight on anon's part

>>54781732
Yes, I do think that is also pretty dumb and hope we somehow get a new UW Teferi in Dominaria.

>>54781662

The defensive part is dead easy to comprehend, just "When a creature with banding blocks, you control how combat damage is dealt by the attacking creature. "

The problem is how do you phrase banding to work with attacking creatures. Maybe just errata it so that "when a creature with banding attacks, any number of other creatures may join its Band. If one creature in a Band is blocked the entire Band is blocked. You control how combat damage is assigned to the Band."

>>54781740
New Blood says "Change the text of that creature by replacing all instances of ONE creature type with Vampire."
>all instances of ONE creature type
>ONE creature type
So either Cat OR Rat, never both.
Never more than one type is changed.

>>54781714
Most cards with phasing were blue before. It wouldn't even be a pie bend.

>>54781679
>abloo bloo bloo, blue doesn't get any nice cards

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>>54781300
>he went with silumgar
Dragons weren't a thing in the pre time fuckery Tarkir. He was with Sultai.

>>54781195
I preordered the Vampires deck thinking it would be the black deck of the bunch but it seems to be the stupid red deck instead.
And the commanders are shitty. Nigravamp is a worse Zurgo, Bounty is a worse Marchesa and both their arts are utter crap. Edgar looks good for a low level table but in the world of Atraxa, Breya and Meren, those tables don't exist anymore unless you play with literal retards.

Never preorder shit.

>>54781749

Reminder text is to remind you, it isn't rules text which actually defines the cards abilities. The part which is relevant is the unchanged "slivercycling".

All you've done is introduce a typo.

>>54781768
Temporary blink is White and Blue.
Doesn't matter how things were 20 years ago, this is Magic here and now, and Blink is W and U.
Phasing is essentially Blink, and this card is a White card through and through with how defensive and protective it is.
So shut up and stop complaining Ufag

>>54781768
>your life total can't change and you have protection from everything
what's blue about this?

>>54781605
The Pretender is 5 colors.
Let no one tell you otherwise.
Don't get your hopes up.

>>54781775
my bad, the whole tarkir timeline confuses me since I wasn't playing during that time

>>54781793
I for one enjoy our new Mardu underdogs.

>>54781769
>play Mayael and Kaalia
>don't play any blue decks
>complain that there is no way to play Teferi's spell in Teferi
>>abloo fucking blue players

Give me spice for [INSERT COMMANDER HERE]

>>54781826
Manalith

>>54781768
Life total not changing, and protection are white though.

The sum of the card itself is white.

>>54781823
>complains about not getting to play card in a Blue commander
>never gives any indication of any kind what decks he plays
>is surprised when people assume he plays Blue, since he was complaining about not getting to play things in Blue

>>54781823
I'm not the one whining about card colors here.

>>54781826
[TECH]

>>54781809
It's easy to remember.
>all dragons on Tarkir are dead
>a dragon ghost finds a autistic guy who weally wuvs dwagons
>makes him go back and time and stop the dragon ghost from ever getting deaded into a ghost
>now dragons on Tarkir are alive and rule the plane
>everyone is miserable except the autistic guy because he weally, WEALLY wuvs him some dwagons

>>54781797
The blue part. I'd call this UW honestly.

>>54781796
I'm not biased to blue and I'm not the original poster. I was just pointing out that it wouldn't be a color pie break to put some blue in it. Why do people freak out so hard over U?

>>54781826
Eat poop nekusar player

>>54781826
Pallidium myr, wurmcoil, tower of Fortune and grinning totem.

>>54781793
>Never preorder shit.

Well duh, you colossal faggot. Preordering just screams to everyone "Hey I'm a massive corporate whore who has more money than sense!"

You deserve to be ripped off, Christ you're dumb.

>>54781826
Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

>>54781846
Whatever happened to Sarkhan anyway?

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>>54781849
Because Blue is objectively the strongest color in EDH, and yet everyone absolutely hates having to play against it, and most hate having to play it themselves.

>>54781809
The first block is about the five 3-colored khans of tarkir, with no dragons.

The second block is when Sarkhan goes back in time to when there were both khans and dragons.

The third block is when there are only dragons ruling all, and the dragon groups/people under them are represented by five 2-color pairs.

>>54781802
It's already confirmed officially.

>>54781839
I was complaining that they are releasing a Wizard tribal deck that is most likely going to have a bunch of stuff useful for Wizard decks in it and might even have Teferi himself in it and yet don't make it possible to go cross-over and use the card alongside him.

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>>54781826
Codex Shredder
Scrabbling Claws
Relic of Progenitus

>>54781872
Dragon orgies.

What else could have happened to him?

>>54781849
UW would be fine. But in the original post you said it should be only blue, and that is what everyonre is disagreeing with.

>>54781752
>tfw they'll never make a cycle of ally-colored planeswalker commanders in any future commander releases.

>>54781876
That pic comes across as incredibly whiny. Why lock the game into one specific way to play?

>>54781905
>planeswalker commanders
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>54781876
>85% if playing creatures

spot the standardbabby

>>54781900
I never said it should be only blue. I said it could be blue in reference to the guy who said he would bend the color pie to make it blue.

>>54781846
Also Nahiri got un-hedron'd in the process.

>>54781876
U would be the undisputed best color in EDH if not for the fact that EDH is typically played as a multiplayer game

blue's control shenanigans aren't that strong when there's 3 other players to control. the fact that blue is still so dominant DESPITE the fact that the color revolves around fucking around with individual opposing players/permanents is truly a testament how biased the game was towards blue for so long

black is still probably the best color once people start trying very hard

>>54781816
Agreed. I just wanna play papa Markov and not get hated off the table instantly for having an "I attack, I win" commander.

>>54781925
>uses "__babby"
spot the eternal player with at least 1 playset of masterpiece FoW

>>54781915
>85% of Magic is playing creatures
I have a hateboner for blue myself, but whomever made that pic is a WotC shill.

>>54781900
Honestly, the biggest problem is that they went with Grixis for the Wizards deck.

There's a good handful of relevant Wizards in the lore that would easily count as UW, including a potential new Teferi they could've made.

>>54781876
This is a stupid argument. I do 90% of these things regularly in red and white.
>Red: You want to block? I don't like that mechanic, I'm going to ignore it.
>White: Your creature has a special ability? I don't like that ability, it's a 0/1 Darksteel Insect now.
>Red: You want to play a spell I don't like? Glorious End, you don't have a turn anymore. Why yes, I do run Sundial of the Infinite.
>White/Red: You have a boardstate that I don't like? I sacrifice Bearer of the Heavens and cast Boros Charm. Hope you weren't attached to those lands. Don't worry, I still have all of mine so I'll win quickly ;^)
>White: You want to destroy my thing? Indestructible/flicker are white abilities, you silly goat. How else am I supposed to protect myself from Swords?
All colors fundamentally fuck with the rules because that's how Magic rules WORK: the rules only take precedent until a card says they don't, so basically ALL cards overrule the base rules. Hell, by the first line about blocking you could say that FLYING is about ignoring the rule about creatures being able to block other creatures. Just fuck off with this.

The Wizard lady is probably going to let us loot as Emminence, right?

>>54781921
What about Planeswalker commanders with Partner, Eminence abilities, and they enter the battlefield with loyalty counters equal to the amount of mana spent to cast them?

>>54781420
If most vampires weren't 4cmc+ or limited trash it would be viable.
What good vampires are there even under 4cmc? Hexmage, Nighthawk and AetherbornHawk?

Vampires shouldn't have been the stupid aggro deck, Mardu is the king of removal and disruption, it should have been more ETB spell creatures not overcosted red beaters and meager tokens.

>>54781921
I'm a borosfag, what isn't wronf with me?

>>54781195
Should've just said "You phase out."
(with relevant reminder text that all your permanents also phase out with you, and that you and all your stuff phase back in when it would be your next turn)

>>54781949
Agreed. Wizards deck should have been Jeskai.
Taigam should have been Jeskai dammit.

>>54781965
She's going to transform every wizard into Tim.

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>>54781846
You forgot the most important part.
>a man punches a bear/dragon

>>54781876
>>54781959
the pic is right about blue playing an entirely different game than other colors, it just uses shit examples for it. blue is the only color that can comfortably sit back and feel unthreatened because it can stop any type of spell at any time. every other color will always have be threatened by board wipes, ETBs, instants/sorceries, big X spells that win games, etc. unless they carry specific silver bullets against them. blue, however, has a one-size-fits-all 2-mana instant spell that deals with any of those. most decks simply aren't suited to dealing with certain spells not resolving.

the fact that blue fangays are telling complainers to git gud or play something else than MTG is pretty weird considering blue's counterspells are an anomaly within the game. if anything, majority rules that blue players should leave.

>>54781985
Would not be the same thing. Since the player would be treated as if he doesn't exist, he wouldn't be able to perform any actions until he phases in again.
Would make for a sweet card though, could even cost only W.

>>54781997
Is that Devil Jho?

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>>54782029

>>54781997
I thought it was okay and then I saw the reveal for it and how all the fat, sweaty neckbeards lost their shit over it and started rolling around gaffawing so hard they formed a unianimous cocksucking blob devoted solely to MaRo's phimosis riddled microdick and instantly questioned my taste in everything.

>>54781985
Would work for Unstable. The card should be called "Toilet Break" or "BRB"

>>54781720
>tfw spanish people always have cards for the cheapest price

Are they really that bad?

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>>54782037
>You are treated as though you didn't exist

>>54782028
Counterspells are an important part of the game that keep things from growing out of check. I do think they should be in more colors, even if conditionally.

>>54782037
This does not change a thing for me

>>54782072
And that's why Newzilek is so good.
It's a fat with a really really conditional counterspell assessible in every color.

>>54782072
This.
White should get taxing counterspells, a la Mana Tithe.
Black should bet more counterspells like Dash Hopes or Withering Boon.
Red should get more redirection like Shunt.
Green should get more cards like Insist and Savage Summoning.

>>54782037
>"You are treated as though you didnt exist."

But people already treat me like that without that card. :(

>>54782107
That's because you have zero personality.

>>54782107
you exist to me, cupcake. *hugs you*

So tomorrow is Wizards reveal?

>>54782106
And Blue can keep hard counters.
Also give Red the bounce spells like Boomerang, I remember MaRo saying something about they might try exploring that.

>>54782133
Yeah, it's the only one left.

>>54782050
Why is phimosis thrown in there?

Is there something I missed?

>>54782170
I'm guessing he wanted to throw in literally all the buzzwords involved with cocks and neckbeards.

>>54782104
Newzilek is a fun as fuck commander too. Far from competitive, but perfectly viable for normal EDH.
>ramp hard with crazy artifact Rube-Goldberg machines
>cast Newzilek to refill your hand and threaten to counter removal

>>54782050

>REEEEEEEEEE HOW DARE PEOPLE HAVE FUN AND ENJOY THINGS! I HATE THINGS!

Okay major buzzkill, you can go now. Also you used phimosis wrong you edgy middle-schooler.

I can't tell if these decks are a good thing or a bad thing for all tribal decks, outside of these four.

On one hand, it gives a lot of generic tribal tools that all tribal decks can use, and can likely patch some holes in tribes that were falling just a wee bit short.

On the other hand, it is going to make all tribal decks look incredibly similar to each other because they're all going to be using this great generic shit. Things will be less special.

It's like it promotes diversity of deck concepts while decreasing diversity inside actual tribal decks. Hmm.

>>54782106
What abou a WB counterspell that counters a spell unless a creature is sacrificed?

>>54782106
Thalia can be seen as a taxer

>>54782136
I believe he said that while bouncing was in color it was considered too strong.

>>54782028
>Blue, however, has a one-size-fits-all 2-mana instant spell that deals with any of those
You mean like Dragonlord Dromoka?
Blue has a relative monopoly on stack interaction: I personally think that could use some work in development. Red should get more doublers or redirect effects, white should also get more tax-based counterspells, green should be able to give spells hexproof, and black should... I don't know, they can come up with something for black that'll be just fine no matter what. But let's be clear: counterspells are annoying, but they're not the ur-answer in Magic, and people acting like blue is uniformly overpowered because it has exclusive access to them are blowing things out of proportion.

>>54781775
Didn't he defect from Jeskai?

>>54782240
He did. Read the flavortext ffs

>>54781795

What source can you provide that supports your claim that vampire can't replace sliver within the word slivercycling? The rules for Xcycling seem already prepared to insert a word.

>>54782182
MaRo is a Jew though, so he can't have phimosis.

>>54782229
It's not just counterspells that are the problem, it's that Blue has universal answers to everything, even when MaRo said colors need weaknesses.
There's Polymorphist's Jest and Illusionist's Gambit for combat tricks, extra turn cards and draw cards for card advantage, and last ditch things like Cyclonic Rift for any other situation.
And no, Cyclonic is not okay, it's essentially "you all get to stop advancing the game, and instead have to re-play the entire game, while I get 3 free turns to combo out"

>>54782193
It only gives a few generic tools while the decks also have several tribe-specific cards. Yes, those generic tribal cards are good, but they're only a few out of the 99.

>>54781795
>>54782260
Here, have evidence that it can, in fact, change slivercycling to vampirecycling.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3922
It's literally on the reminder text of this card that it changes compound words like _walk (and by extension _cycling)

>>54781937

I think blue's so good in EDH because of how flexible it is combined with being the best in card advantage. some of that is due to wizards giving blue anything weird for the first big chunk of the game.

>black is still probably the best color once people start trying very hard

I'd say black or green. I definitely think green is better than blue.

>>54782212
>I believe he said that while bouncing was in color it was considered too strong
That's bullshit though. I know MaRo is just the PR guy, but some of his excuses are really shit.

>>54782229
>You mean like Dragonlord Dromoka?

oh shut the fuck up, you aren't even trying

and yes, counterspells are the best answers in Magic. they have downsides, but they are so ridiculously efficient and flexible that it doesn't matter that you have to leave mana open for them. any good blue deck will have a way to use its mana in the end step prior to their turn anyway. and then there's the spells blue can answer but other colors can't.

i'm sure you'll move the goalposts to say that "blue isn't that good anyway, it can't even board wipe" or something soon

>>54782273
Is that the 2-mana one-size fits-all instant that deals with anything? Because Cyclonic Rift doesn't do dick for board wipes, instants/sorceries, or big X spells that win games. Hell, it's not even very good until you're casting it for 6 mana or whatever, so he was clearly talking about Counterspell.
No, I don't like Cyclonic Rift either, but that's beside the point.

>>54782259
I'm illiterate

>>54782050
Circumcision reduces the chance of phimosis.

>>54782106

Nobody would play Dash Hopes or Withering Boon. Punisher effects are 99% of the time total garbage.

>>54782303
>oh shut the fuck up, you aren't even trying
Well, no, I'm not, it's really easy. I'm just doing this off the top of my head. That's why these posts are as long as they are.
I'm not really that invested in defending blue as much as I am saying it's not as bad as you're saying it is. It's annoying, sure, but it's not like a scourge of the game that's causing people to leave in droves or whatever. It's annoying to get time walked, or counterspelled, or remanded, whatever. I GET IT. I play R/W in EDH for fuck's sakes, you think I haven't had to deal with motherfuckers Time Stopping my lethal combats? Multiple times? I know what it's like!

But going on and on about how oh, blue is omnipotent is stupid, because it's not. It's frustrating to play against sometimes but that's normal. Just because it's easier to make a frustrating deck with blue doesn't mean you can't make one in black, or red, or green, or white. It just means that counterspells are frustrating.

>>54782062
It's the second most printed language but not the second most spoken among the playerbase.

Is Grand Daddy Markov the most disappointment?

>>54782349
MtG casuals are bent on Blue being the pro color when Black is many times more dangerous and red cards are often make or break.
Blue provides amazing tech but it seldomly wins a game on it's own.

>>54782334
Withering Boon is not a punisher effect and people play it a lot, in fact it's not played more because most people aren't aware it exists.

>>54781722
Its probably because of all the hate they got for making "broken" commanders.

>>54782373
I'm a little disappointed but I'm holding my opinion until I see him work with his deck a few times. I think for a vampire tribal he'll be the best out of the 3 new legendaries in that deck for sure though.

>>54782373
>pls confirm my biases

>>54782399
No way.
You cannot convince me a card like Licia is the way it is due to power level concerns.
They just did not even try to be the least bit creative or inventive. It's like the designer had half an hour to come up with something and just threw that shit together.

>>54782373
skullclamp.dec

>>54782373
Ludvic >>> O-Kagachi >>>>>>>> Edgar

>>54782401
Well in Vampire Tribal he certainly has the most synergy.
However the number of ways to build around him are very limited, namely being vampire tribal.
Mathas looks fun as fuck and the lifegain one is exactly the kind of Jank I'm down for.

>>54782294

A strong argument

>>54782373
Vampires in general are utter shit compared to dragons and cats.
Ramos and Ur Dragon are genuinelly good new cards worth building around. Arahbo may be OP, while Mirri and Nazahn are good build around cards that complete or improve an archetype.

On the other hand Nigravamp is a worse Zurgo Helmsmasher and a worse Karlov at the same time. And Mathas is a worse Queen Marchesa that neither holds control nor gives you card advantage half as well. Edgar is the only one semi-decent and it pretty much asks you to do the one thing vampires don't want to do in singleton: play go-wide aggro.

>>54782433
well this set came out after only 9 months from the last one

the whole thing screams "rushed" to me

maybe all the other formats are really selling like garbage and hasbro told them to print more commander trash since those seem to sell? i'm sure the words "just print something like oloro again" were uttered in a meeting somewhere lmao

>>54781876
>>54781937
>>54782302
Blue also isn't the best color on it's own, it's the best splash color/color to splash with others. Blue has very few options in terms of being actually aggressive, which is why the top Legacy decks are stuff like Sutai/BUG and stuff because BG covers blues problems while Blue gives them the best in counters and drawing.

>>54782480
I don't think eminence is anywhere near Oloro levels because Eminence here is made to help you playing the tribe (Making big timmy Dragons cheaper, buffing cats)

>>54782479
i think edgar is good enough to carry the deck. basically any half-decent edgar deck is aristocrats with a mild vampire flavor, and aristocrats isn't half bad in EDH

>>54782303
>they have downsides,

jesus fucking christ how bad are you

Post tech from your deck and guess the commander.

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>>54782538
And forgot the picture.

>>54782302
It likely was in the context of the new "land doesn't untap" effects like Reduce to Rubble.

Admittedly, if Rubble bounced three landss, it would be tremendously powerful.

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Are these cards good?

>>54782396

Guess I'm wrong on that count, but my point on dash Hopes still stands. I also wouldn't count on getting another withering boon again; it probably has as much chance as prodigial sorcerer.

>>54782557
scarab god is an amazing commander, lili is mediocre but playable

>>54782557
Yeah, they're both alright.

Scarab God is probably the most fun mill and zombie commander.

>>54782433
Read the card again it's mad comfy
>life gain can get rud of commander tax
If you get her killed in combat her life gain means you can probably get her back this turn,
>Paying life to pump her and get the life you paid back
>all the little jank synergy you could set up with her colors

All carefully planned to look boring as shit so the shitters stay with khaalia and i get a mardu commander worth playing

She's the best of the lot but I hope no one believes me so can get her for cheap

>>54782526
>can't play shit on your turn if you want to stop them from dropping bombs
>in other formats dealing with the creatures they play on turns 1-3 AND holding mana to counter their spells will often cost you a boardstate and life lead
>running counterspells in EDH leaves less room for your own super spicy tech

>>54782538
>>54782553
Uril? With multiple combats or something?

>>54782558

>Prodigal Sorcerer

I even googled to make sure I was spelling it right and I still fucked up.

So this is my first year playing magic.
This Commander 2017 is 4 100 card tribe decks, ready to go?

>>54782580
She's trash, you're trash, and whatever card sleeves you use are of less than optimal quality.

Any good tech for Mathas?

>>54782461
I agree completely. I think all he needed was lifegain in some way, even if it was minor and hed be perfect.

>>54782480
Why would they make 4 precons instead of 5 if that were the case?

>>54782580
>a mardu commander worth playing
What is Queen Marchesa you heretic!?

>>54782622
Yes.

>>54782622
Yep
They're geared for multiplayer, so don't go into 1v1 without swapping about 3-5 cards unless you want some dead draws.
And the grand majority of fucks will try to sell them at +10 the MSRP, especially that one deck that has the card everyone wants, so try to get the one you want at wal-mart

>>54782665
>especially that one deck that has the card everyone wants, so try to get the one you want at wal-mart
can you elaborate, idk what you mean by this

>>54782622
Yes.
Precons are a good place to start with commander, they're generally at least kinda playable out of the box but low enough power that they can be as heavily upgraded as you wish with singles you like or even stuff you pull out of packs at things like prereleases.

There's many years of precons to look through though, don't limit yourself to just 2017 because it is the newest. Pick out the one that seems the most interesting to you, if the price hasn't risen to a retarded level (a good number of precons have).

>>54782651
Shipping costs probably.
Having "5 of X" has never been optimal industry-wise because everything paper and packaging is made in multiples of 8.

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>>54782538

>>54782587
Nope. It's Skullbriar.

>>54782692
rosheen or melek?

>>54782632
Im really shocked his vampires dont have lifelink. Not because of power level, but because getting incidental lifelinkers would really help tie together the lifegain matters vampires. Right now he doesnt do anything for that subgroup and including them is the only reason they made a mardu vampire lord.

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>>54782692
[ ] I like it
[ ] I love it
[x] I gotta have it

>>54782722
>>54782632
Not to mention that there were at least one or two cards in SoI that made 1/1 black lifelink vampires. His tokens not having the lifelink really does seem like a mistake.

>>54782722
They didn't want the two commanders to overlap. Vampires do tokens solidly, so it seems the two themes are tokens and lifegain. They split it across two generals.

>>54781195
What upgrades can i make to the call the spirits deck? should i get the luminous angel to spit out tokens?

>>54782756
Its not really a matter of not overlapping. bfz and probably ixlan vamps had a life subtheme. On top of thefact weve hsd lfelinking innistrad vamps, from soi vampire knights and sorin, theres no reason they cant have it. Youre not making free tokens if licia is your commander and theyre not very efficient at fueling her anyway.

>>54782373
He's not super op, but he's a good general.
The biggest disappointment is still O-Kagachi.

>>54782684
In the previous cycle the deck with Atraxa as it's commander managed to climb past $100 because secondary market and mob mentality.
In the cycle before the one before the Grixis deck also skyrocketed due to Wizards printing a Legacy playable Merfolk in it.
I don't play much of those formats so I have no idea what cards will be influential in them or not, but I can guarentee people will be scrambling for the deck with Teferi's Protection in it.
Maybe not enough to make it climb $50 in price, but it will be noticable.

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Value? Value.

>>54782845
It would be very powerful, you know that right? And vampires do have other themes besides lifegain, even if we have been getting a lot recently.

I personally don't mind it. You don't want every vamp deck to be the same thing.

>>54782877

Pretty cool, like overseer of the damned but with tribal synergy

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>>54782373
>>54782445
>>54782479
i don't think he's as bad as everyone seems to think

>>54782866
>can't even attack someone that many times before they die
How short do they expect these games to be? Child of Alara does more then this fuck.
Why doesn't it have a trigger for each head?
Why doesn't it trigger on attack?

>>54782877
Better than Overseer. I'd run it in a lot of decks. Gravehate and removal.

The trinket text is gonna bug me though.

>>54782883

I think vampires other main theme is that they grow when they do combat damage

>>54782433
>You cannot convince me
No one can, and no one but yourself will.
People could scream at you all day about how the Earth revolves around the Sun, and you can still chose to not believe it.

>>54782902
Because it is designed to be a card you can cast whenever you want without the table wrathing the board and freaking out.

He is a 5 color card that trigger spirit craft. That's enough reason for dedicated Kami decks to run it over child. Everything else is gravy.

It is just for spiritcraft.

>>54782899
This. He's a strong combo engine that can't be removed, the only downside is being limited to vampires

should I buy enough sleeves for the C17 decks?

>>54782899
Agreed. I would've loved if he also had "whenever a vampire creature etbs under your control you gain one life and your opponents lose one life".

>>54782953
You can Conspiracy and use a bouncing creature.

>>54782652
The worse Marchesa.

>>54782994
Why? You really keeping them as is?

>>54783014
I'm probably going to take them to a freinds house so we can play..

>>54783028

I mean you already wasted money getting all the precons, why not commit yourself fully and buy the sleeves too?

>>54782953
blood artist is a vampire

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>>54782538

>>54782883
Its powerful, but the power lies in the free token making in general, not the keyword. Thats why i said it was not a power level concern. Its a concern of him not synergizing at all with the life gain vampires which are the only reason he was made mardu in the first place. He does counters which vampires care about and he has aggressive which the innnistrsd vampires are. Giving the tokens lifelink was a low risk wsy to make the life campires not just vanilla sacks of meat.

There is no other life gain vampire tribal commander, and dedicated life gain decks wouldnt want to play him so he wouldnt be encroaching on that territory. Your point is moot.

>>54783147
Grenzo, Havoc Raiser?

Licia sounds fucking awesome. a more aggressive lifegain deck.
Edgar Tokens also sounds hella fun.
God damn the vampire deck is making me want to theorycraft.

Any red-white lifegain that isnt lightning helix?

>>54782553
Marath?

>>54782756
It's retarded and just means they have to make one more different vampire token when we could be using the Gather the Bloodline ones.

>>54781846
everyone is at their correct station in life and can make themselves useful by serving a higher lifeform, you mean

>>54782757
Drop Daxos and make it a Karlov lifegain deck.

>>54781930
Not Nahiri. Nahiri was on Innistrad and was set free in Dark Ascension by Liliana

>>54783264
>snake waifu is dead
>autist-chan is a 'walker
Truly the worst timeline.

>>54783289
90% of planeswalkers are autistic or irredemable assholes or a combination of both.

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>>54783264
Nice slave mentality, feudalist-kun

>>54783300
Except Wizards made Narset canonically autistic to be """""inclusive""""".

just realized that there are a lot of vampire effects with the "put +1+1 counters on all vampires you control" effects. This is going to be pretty crazy with Edgar

>>54783300
>There was only one thing that Karn never wished to forget, and every night he would hold a picture of Jhoira and repeat the mantra "Jhoira is my friend."
Don't bully the sadbot.

>>54783127
I'm thinking Daretti or Neheb.

>>54783197
You got it.

Give me some secret tech for Kruphix or should I just go ramp/big creatures/goodstuff?

>>54782757
>call the spirits
I suggest using a different commander if possible. Daxos is by far the worst exp counter commander, due to how slow casting enchantments are, and how hes the only commander who doesn't get immediate benefit from having exp counters (have to spend more mana to actually spawn a token)


Anyways, lower the CMC as much as possible. This acts twofold, one it allows you to get as many exp counters as quickly as you can and helps free up mana to spawn tokens. A lot of rocks helps also.

>>54783311
And that's why you should never read lore.
Besides, what happened to writing a character with flaws instead of flaws attached to a character?

>>54783230
>Licia sounds fucking awesome. a more aggressive lifegain deck.
Karlov consistently hits for 10 turn 3, it's mathematically impossible for Licia to be faster or more resilent than Big Daddy Ghost.

>>54783336
Post yfw new Karn and new Jhoira in Return to Dominaria.

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>>54783318
Give me your bleeeigh.

>>54783311
Why is having an autistic character a problem?

>>54783346

Not daretti or neheb, not mono red but those are good gearhulk decks

>>54783289
snake waifu is undead and will kill Silumgar and make the Clan into the Sidisi Clan
>Naga supremacy

>>54783157
Except the entire point of the other commander is to be a vampire to trigger lifegain camps.

PHASING OH GOD NO

>>54783377
Does this kill all planeswalker on the table or I'm reading it wrong?

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>>54783351

>>54783351
You should kill yourself.

>>54783415
It does.

>>54783415
Yes.

>>54783415
Holy shit, Atraxafags on suicide watch.

>>54783381
Why is having a transgender character a problem?

>>54783381
It's not the character. It's the vocal minority that will bitch and complain about having anything they want completely unrelated to the game's mechanics. Once they get what they want, they bitch about something else.

Case in point: Look at this video and skip to 39:45 and tell me how much faggotry you see.
https://youtu.be/nyhzyLttUOk

>>54783443
Dude. It's an older card. Reprint would be alright though.

>>54783147
>hearthstone.jpg

>>54783381
>>54783444
I mind Alesha less than Narset. To me, Alesha is a tough grill who gives no fucks and just happens to actually be a man. She's a character who is trans. Narset seems much more written around being autistic. She's an autistic character.

>>54782104
I love newzilek mechanically but holy fuck is using that situational counter spell hard.


on a not commander related note:
I'm making a "brood" deck for each of the NUtitans (meaning the deck is built around a specific titan and their brood). I've successfully done so for newlamog (using BU ingest/process) and newrakul (RW hanweir meld) but I cannot for the life of me figure out how you build a kozilek brood deck and it's bugging me. Maybe UG?

>>54783473

What's wrong with autists? They are funny

>>54783444
Because they're only doing it because it's "trendy", same with autism, it's "trendy". It trivializes something that has an overwhelmingly negative influence on people's lives (and in the case of autism, those around them) into a one-liner about a character. When I see autism in fiction, I don't feel included, I feel attacked, insulted, and tokenized.

>>54783406
She cares about lifegain, but isnt vampire tribal. She likes large bursts of lifegain and to have access to a lot of it. You probably wouldnt play her in Edgar, and you definitely wouldnt play Edgar in her deck with or without lifelinking tokens. That qualifies as different enough for me.

>>54783381
>>54783444
Why is having a character identity and story rely only on the color of its skin\its sexuality\ its disability a problem?
Why is using tokens and tropes considered inclusive again?

>>54783487
>something I never said
The problem is including an autist in order to include an autist. It's Tokenism 101.

>>54783453
>fat characters
>what is Daretti
>different physical abilities
>what is Bolas, Koth, Ob Nixilis, Tezzeret, Vraska, Brago, every single non-human
These people are retarded.

>>54783491
Jokes really write themselves.

>>54781195
>Thread Question:
>Holy crap, Phasing. What long-dead mechanic do you want to make a return?

Provoke. Make people pay for having weenie utility creatures.

>>54783521

Maybe they included an autistic because autists are funny?

>>54783230
Warleader's Helix. I think there's also at least one X version

>>54783289
Wait, she died? Seriously? I thought she got out of Tarkir.

>>54783230
You mean specifically red-white?

>>54783558
shes a zombie, no?

>Thread Question:
>Holy crap, Phasing. What long-dead mechanic do you want to make a return?

Splice into Arcane, never got to use it because I started playing Magic at the start of 9th edition.

>>54783409
Phasing really isn't bad or hard to understand. Personally, I've missed it.

>>54783522
Daretti isn't fat though. He's a goblin with no legs.

>>54783491
It doesn't help that it's implied that her autism is what allows her to ascend. I honestly don't know how whoever decided that they needed an autistic character missed how offensive disability superpowers are.

>>54783453

i don't necessarily mind broadening the roster but sometimes it can be so god damn infuriating.

>>54783649
lel

Real new thread

>>54783695
>>54783695
>>54783695
>>54783695

>>54783621
no

>>54783230
Don't forget about searing meditation

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>>54783311
>this person is autistic

This is the least realistic representation of an autistic person I've ever seen. What even is the point of having a character be autistic if they look like a super model? Name one autistic person that looks like this because every last one I've seen has been below average to ugly. Not trying to be mean it just seems to defeat the point of representing people with an unrealistic standard.

>>54783852

Are you sure she's autistic and not just detail-oriented?

>>54783531
but then they can just retap them in response

>>54782373
Nah, he ain't Ludevic. A little dull but not awful.

>>54783373
With how bad shit has been lately I'd rather not see my favorite characters from the past return to be ruined.

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>>54782538

>>54783377
Filename made me giggle.

>>54784481
This is my secret tech in Atarka dragons

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Did I miss the discussion on this already?

Inalla, Archmage Ritualist
2UBR
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
Eminence - Whenever another nontoken Wizard enters the battlefield under your control, if Inalla, Archmage Ritualist is in the command zone or on the battlefield, you may pay {1}. If you do, create a token that's a copy of that Wizard. The token gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.

Tap five untapped Wizards you control: Target player loses 7 life.
This Eminence is insane, think Sundial is worth a slot?

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>>54785337
I sort of like it I guess....

>>54785337
It's definitely good on its own, potentially insane in combos, but I don't know I'll take apart any existing decks or pay for this one

>>54785337
This is 2 threads late. Current: >>54786030

>>54781376
I understood this reference.

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>>54782028