>humans are the adaptable, ambitious, and innovative race

I honestly think that humans should be split into different ethnicities and have bonusses according to these. They can still have some things and stats in common, but the innovative shit gets boring.

>humans are the only adaptable, ambitious, and innovative race

Correct.

>humans need a gimmick

>single line of green text

kys

>>54764450
I agree, it's far more realistic, looking at historical precedent, to have them be the marauding warrior race in the way that orcs are usually presented.

We are though. One of humanity's defining traits is that we can set up shop even in environments that would hardly be considered out niche. Our science is the equivalent of "hold my beer" and the 'average' among us regularly do stupid things just to see what happens.
But we hardly know if other [highly] intelligent species share the same behaviors, or of they may be intrinsic to technological development. So we attribute the familiar to humans, and use our imagination to determine what another race may be like.

>>54764634
bait

>>54764450
Then what else do you want humans to be like, while still letting them be like real ones?

If they aren't, then they won't be the dominant race and they will go extinct before others eventually.

>>54764849
What makes you think that? Genuinly curious.

It's sort of realistic, seeing how the only other hominid that is somewhat comparable to us in intelligence (neanderthals) had much larger brains than us, but completely lacked any kind of technological or cultural drive to improve.

Neanderthals were happy keeping their technology and culture stagnant for thousands of years until humans came along with brand new ideas every week, causing rapid changes in Neanderthal technology and culture.

Perhaps Neanderthals were all barely functional high functioning autists. Huge brain, complete inability to use that brain matter.

>>54764634
I think that one rainbow dudes setting did that and it was actually nice.

adaptable makes sense
>humans are diplomatic
that always gets me

>>54764450
>Humans are the stat baseline
Hate that, basically precludes the possibility of humans being an extreme compared to other races.

>>54764920
Neanderthals were not on the same level as humans.

>>54764450
Why are people talking about realism? These are fictional, and often high-fantasy settings. Why not pick something interesting that fits alongside other races, but is still recognizably human?

I would give humans high endurance, personally.

>>54764937
>I think that one rainbow dudes setting
What?

>>54764828
>One of humanity's defining traits is that we can set up shop even in environments that would hardly be considered out niche
Yes.

>Our science is the equivalent of "hold my beer"
Fucking what? In comparison to who's science? An elf's? A zebra's? We're the only species that we know of in the real world who does science, and it rarely if ever boils down to "hold my beer" when performed in anything approaching an official capacity. And no, famous accidental discoveries like plastic and penicillin are not examples of "hold my beer," they're examples of clumsy and lazy respectively.

>the 'average' among us regularly do stupid things just to see what happens
Define regularly. Define average. Because you're dad's best friend who you never saw less than three beers in while you were growing up is not average.

>>54765316
its called like tillsrami or some weird bullshit like that starting with a T and the cover is normally a picture of a dude from the race that is coated in a ton of different rainbow colors. I know in one he's fighting a raptor that is also colorful. I'll do a quick check in my files for it gimmie a sec.

>>54765351
I just realized what setting you meant, though don't remember the name as well. One of these weird-fantasy worlds.

>>54764450
I prefer the 2e differences: what makes humanity unique is public and democratized institutions, like public libraries, where other races are focused more on private or factional things with familial politics being a barrier much of the time.
So while a single random human isn't that much more likely to be especially ambitious, or adaptable, or innovative than a random elf or dwarf or halfling, humans simply have more social and vocational mobility as a matter of course and have less barriers for sharing knowledge and skills.
Basically the humans who *are* ambitious, etc., have better chances to succeed to a greater extent and in a way that means more humans can benefit over time.

>>54764450

That or:

>humans are the naïve, lucky, arrogant race

That's my favourite trope. Things just fall into place for humans.

>>54765083
We only know that because we've seen their culture and technology.

If you look at a neanderthal skull and a human skull, and say "The small one is smarter", most people including paleontologists would say "You're bullshitting me."

>>54764450
Blame Tolkien. Or, rather, the people who copied him without any clue what they were doing. Elves are in decline, Dwarves are in diaspora, Hobbits are just lazy, so humanity gets to be the ambitious young race standing against the darkness.

>>54764920
Actually, this is a myth, and one that was debunked a LONG time ago.

Neanderthals were much more intelligent than crogmagnons, they were the first to develop:

jewellery, tools, clothing, painting, religion, burial of the dead, etc.

All signs point to them being a very deep and spiritual culture that far outpaced humans.

Humans simply outbred them and then raped them to death.

>>54765418
>humanity's hat is socialism
Cue autistic shrieking in 5, 4, 3...

>>54765523
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/apr/30/neanderthals-not-less-intelligent-humans-scientists

Also Neanderthals were the first to invent boats

https://phys.org/news/2012-03-evidence-neanderthals-boats-modern-humans.html

If anything, humans are the stupid ones.

>>54765070
They do that for the purpose of game mechanics, not setting. A human player will imagine the average stats of any fictional race in comparison to humans.
It's completely possible to play a game where humans are the stat baseline represented as the number 10 in all stats while other races have 9 or less in the stat you want humans to be best at.

>>54765523
>and then raped them to death
There is no evidence for this, since the few neanderthal dna we have all comes from males.

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>>54764634
This is bait, BUT I did have an idea to split humans along more classic fantasy tropes, without getting into the potential shit-storm that is ethnicity.

>Common humans: Everyone you know
>Ape-men: Humans devolved into an ape-like state, or apes that are gradually evolving into humans
>High Men: Atlanteans, Numenoreans, take your pick. Powerful, arrogant, haughty, better than you in every way. Disturbing tendency to sink continents.
>Morlocks: Subterranean degenerate human cannibals.

>>54765569
>This is bait
Again I have no idea why people think this is bait and they refuse to explain this.

>>54764450
I think the way to fix this is to imagine yourself as a non human race when designing your setting.

Humans tend to be the "average" race, with exactly average stats in everything. They tend to celebrate exploration, etc, etc. This is because humanity is all we've ever known.

A system designed by elves would have elves with 10s in everything, who pride themselves on reasoned ambition and innovation, while humans might be the goblin equivalent:

>>54765569
>Disturbing tendency to sink continents.
Kek.

>>54765523
I don't think you understand what I wrote in my post.

It literally doesn't matter if you're more intelligent than homo sapiens, if that intelligence only manifests in being an autistic idiot savant who can't even conceive of altering his way of thinking to improve it, you might as well be a fucking retard.

>jewellery, tools, clothing, painting, religion, burial of the dead, etc.
And they never improved those technologies and cultural ideas after developing them.
>All signs point to them being a very deep and spiritual culture that far outpaced humans.
Because they had a few hundred thousand years headstart. Which humans catched up on really fucking fast. And then humans left Neanderthals in the dust.

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>Humans are a fast breeding and violent race who want to see everything and want everything they see

>>54765625
Because it's a thinly veiled racism.

>>54765625
Because "muh racism"

>>54765625
You unironically don't see anything wrong with having a race that is intrinsically less/more intelligent, strong, or innovative than others?

It's simply introducing a needlessly uncomfortable - and revolting - element to any player born after 1900.

>>54765625
As humans are the only fantasy race that exists in the real world, dividing humans into real-world ethnicities and giving different stats to each naturally invites stereotyping, even if you do nothing but give positive modifiers ("African: +2 to Jump checks").

If you create ethnicities, meanwhile, you run into two problems: first, that you will probably pigeon-hole yourself into a particular setting ("Lake-Men", "Bardings", "Men of Gondor", etc.); two, your homebrew ethnicities will naturally invite comparison to real-world ethnicities that they appear similar to, which leads you back to the problem mentioned in the previous paragraph.

Third, dividing humans into subraces based on stereotypes, and using negative stereotypes, has been done enough that people will expect it even if it's not the intention. Even with my fantasy human subraces posted above, I don't doubt that most people would see "high men" and think that I mean "white people from Thule", even though there's no reason why they couldn't represent great men out of Hawaiki (Polynesian), Kunlun Mountain (China), or Zerzua (Arabic myth).

Likewise, the association of "racists think that black people are primitive apes" will probably make people think that I'm trying to insult black folk with my Ape-Men, even though in their source of inspiration (Conan the Barbarian), *every* human race started as apes and evolved up, and *every* extant Hyborean race can devolve to ape for (in Howard's own mythology, the Atlanteans devolved into apes before evolving back up into Cimmerians, then devolved again before becoming Celts; likewise, in Conan's time there are a tribe of snow Ape-Men beyond the arctic circle who will eventually become the Germans)

>>54765778
Pretty much. Add in a reckless shortsightedness due to short lifespan and you're golden.

>>54765826
Please have patience, that child has autism.

>>54764634
>race realist
>>>/pol/

An actually usable way to integrate ethnicities and cultures into a system, is just to give everyone from a region some free extra stats or skills. Preferably, skills that mostly serve an out-of-combat function with a slight combat advantage like I dunno some Masai clone society that's really good at herding farm animals, and also gets a bonus when using a spear against wild animals.

Since it's regional, it's race agnostic. So you can have an orc, human and elf all be super sailors from some Swedish clone society.

>>54764450
I kinda give humans the endurance. Because when you get into what separates us from animals, its intelligence, endurance, and resilience.

>>54765778
Incase is such a shitty artist and pretentious writer

>>54764634
Caucasian - +2 CON
Asian - +2 INT
African - +2 STR
Latino - +2 CHA
Arab - +2 DEX
any changes?

>>54765561
It makes absolutely no sense for a baseline to be a min or a max. The notion inherently precludes humanity from being the weakest species for example.

no.

humans are terrible. just awful. we don't deserve to live let alone have any merit in rpgs.

>>54765967
Many other humanoid races would have that as well.
I mean, bipedal could be a trait as well when you compare us to animals.

>>54765992
Care to elaborate on that?

The system I'm working on uses a lot of the different human stereotypes as human-variants which arise semi-randomly. Right now I have variants for Adaptable and Focused, with planned ones for Lucky/Naive, Conqueror and Mediator.

>>54765800
>>54765826
Acknowledging the difference between etchnicities and cultures is now racism? We are already doing this with fantasy races and even within their subraces. Also not all differences are purely nature, there is also some nurture in it. Do you think the dwarf starts profcient with axes because he's born this way? No, because it's part of his culture. Do you think every fantasy nation composed of humans has the same culture.
>>54765832
We are already facing stereotyping with fantasy races. While you brought some good points up, even fantasy humans are stereotypes already. Does the Hyperboreans average stats stop people from glorifying them as vikings? Does presenting a black fantasy human with 18 INT stop anyone from making racist jokes? I wouldn't even do something like >>54766014 because putting in every real life ethnicity and then giving stats bonusses is just lame and uncreative.

>>54765832
You could instead separate humans by culture and assign bonuses based on that. You would need to ensure that each or most of our ethnicities are represented in each fantasy culture though.

This is also probably closer to the truth in reality as well: studies show that that children of African immigrants perform on par with neighborhood children in both academics and athletics, and are statistically as likely to be criminals. I.e. when raised in a rich neighborhoods the 1st gen is as statistically likely to be rich as any other kid on the street; but when raised in the 'hood or a trailer park the 1st gen is as likely to face jail time as any other kid in the 'hood or park.

>>54765946
>>54766088
Great minds think alike.

>>54766065
>can only draw one (man)face
>only recently learned how to do (slightly) varied body types
>story for the shitty shortstack meme comic consists of "BAWWW, EVERYONE HAYES ME BCUZ I'M DEGENERATE" on fucking loop because Incase has a persecution complex
But he draws dickgirls so plebes eat his swill up.

>humans
>not weak to fire
BULLSHIT

>>54764634
Fucking racist scum.

>>54766082
>etchnicities and cultures
Ethnicities, yes racists as fuck. If you don't understand that you're a stupid racist.
Cultures, less so. Potentially problematic but not inherently.

>>54766178
>it's okay to be racist against fantasy races
/pol/ please go.

>>54766014
Why do Caucasians get +2 Con? The world's strongest man right now is Eddie Hall of Britain, with Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson of Iceland the second-strongest and Brian Shaw of the US third-strongest. All three are white. This is from the World's Strongest Man competition, which was held in Botswana, Africa, so it's not like there weren't any Africans around to try.

Stereotypically, I'd actually say Africans have the better endurance, what with the running, pursuit hunting, those intense dances, surviving the diseases and environment of Africa, and of course enduring centuries of cotton-picking slavery, which is all based around Constitution.

Consider as well that in any given Marathon (long-distance running is also Con-based) the winner for both men and women tends to be an African, particularly the Boston Marathon, which I'm given to understand is THE Marathon.

Of course, you also run into the issue that "African" is basically a wholly invented "race". Africans aren't racially homogenous, any more than Caucasians. Someone from Ethiopia probably has more in common with folk from Egypt or the Levant than folk from Nigeria or South Africa.

>>54765826
>You unironically don't see anything wrong with having a race that is intrinsically less/more intelligent, strong, or innovative than others?
What, you want Orks, Elves and Dwarves to be abolished?

There's nothing wrong with niggers from Nubia who are good sprinters and heat-resistance and have a culture based on long-distance travel and extroversion, Slit-eyed warriors that are resistant to cold and have powerful bodies and a culture that is very introverted and rigid, or red-haired magicians with an affinity for complex spells. And a mongrel race created in the one city where the races intermingle, which has subdued characteristics compared to pure-raced individuals but profits from being able to employ each individual according to which of the racial talents they express the most. You have strong niggerblood? You become a scout or messenger. Affinity for cold? You join the melee corps. Red hair? Go to the backline and do magical support.

Restricting yourself to real life values when you create fictional humans is silly. You can gain so much from taking racial stereotypes to their logical extreme and making ethnic monostates.

>>54764450
In a tabletop system I was making, humans had the best stamina and tenacity in the game, including regenerating HP if they took a serious injury.

>>54764450
This, 2bqhwyf's

Any intelligent, space-faring race of aliens is obviously going to be:
1. Adaptable as fuck
2. Ambitious as fuck

and

3. Innovative as fuck

The idea that humans would also be "the only ones to injoi waaar!" is ridiculous. Lots of intelligent creatures on this planet alone are gifted with the trait of violence. It's highly logical to assume any other sentient life for we encounter made it to the top of the food chain by NOT being a bunch of cucks.

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>>54766082
>Does the Hyperboreans average stats stop people from glorifying them as vikings?

No one has ever said that Robert E. Howard wasn't racist.

>>54766088
>You could instead separate humans by culture and assign bonuses based on that

That gets tedious, especially if you're trying to make a somewhat generic system (Star Wars, D&D, etc). Also when dividing along cultural lines you can run into the same basic problem as racial lines: "Jewish: +2 to Appraise checks".

If you were doing realistic races, you'd make Africans resistant to malaria and Asians lactose intolerant.
Which could actually be very important if there's a god that requires you to imbibe milk or to survive malaria.

>>54766215
Tangentially related:

I'm not a fan of flat modifiers on races to begin with, from a design perspective. Given most D&D/Pathfinder classes have one or two core stats that they focus on, stat modifiers on races essentially are determining what the viable set of races for given classes are, and often have only one notable gimmick outside of that. This means that some potentially interesting concepts are effectively disallowed, unless the player really wants to play a weakened character. One such example of this would be a Dwarf Bard. I'm sure you can imagine this being an interesting character, singing war-songs as they wade into battle. The -2 Cha however means they'd suck at this job.

I'd much rather see races not directly impact the core features of a class, but rather have interesting side-abilities that could be potentially useful anywhere but particularly useful if you build around them. The most boring example of this is of course the Human, with its free bonus feat that all classes benefit from.

>>54766319
>Given most D&D/Pathfinder
>classes
Have you tried not playing D&D?

>I'd much rather see races not directly impact the core features of a class, but rather have interesting side-abilities that could be potentially useful anywhere but particularly useful if you build around them.
This is a good idea, though. Like TES games.

>>54766205
To be honest I was thinking of the amount of big ass american football players who are 300lb+ for the +2 STR, the +2 CON for caucasian was mainly due to the fact they tend to populate cold and miserable enviroments and have a penchant of climbing mountains with very little oxygen on top 'because its there'

But could do to swap around either way.

But yeah, there is variance in differant countries and regions on average, such as iceland having a large number of massive and strong men for some reason but alot of the time the average means so little who honestly cares apart from a shitpost on a message board?

>>54765523
Ehhh well there was some ''gene flow'' between us and the Neanderthals. We have integrated them into us anon.

>>54766271
>No one has ever said that Robert E. Howard wasn't racist
You can have a look into any fantasy setting and will find that humans are the most divided races with different cultures and stereotypes build around their culture. Not acknowledging them is deriving the setting o flavor.
>That gets tedious
There is no need for 30+ cultures.

>>54766349
>Have you tried not playing D&D
Of course. This comment was specifically in response to the previous chain of conversation regarding stat modifiers for real-life ethnicities, using D&D/Pathfinder's stat-system, hence my answer being framed in the terms of that system.

>Like TES games
Exactly what I mean. Certain races lend themselves more towards certain archetypes, but none of them really lock you out of options, meaning that there's plenty of room to grow and make unique characters of any race.

>>54766215
>There's nothing wrong with niggers from Nubia who are good sprinters and heat-resistance and have a culture based on long-distance travel and extroversion

Christ I don't know where to begin.

1) There is no longer such as nation as Nubia.
2) Back when it existed several thousand years ago, Nubia was not noted for sprinters, nor for any kind of "heat resistance".
3) Nubia was instead noted by the Egyptians (who called it "Medja" and its people "Medjay") for its military prowess. The Medjay became an elite paramilitary force of Egypt during the Eighteenth Dynasty, and the term "Medjay" eventually came to refer to elite local police forces in Egypt. Think SWAT.
4) While the Medjay were somewhat nomadic, they were no more so than anyone else on Egypt's borders
5) Various Nubians even became Egyptian Pharaohs, especially during the Twelfth Dynasty.
6) By the time of the New Kingdom, the Nubians and Egyptians become archaeologically indistinguishable. The Nubians seem to have become wholly integrated into Egyptian society and culture.

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>>54766014
Caucasian - +2 CON + 2 WIS
Asian - +2 INT + 2 WIS
African - +2 STR -4 INT -2 WIS
Latino - +2 CHA +2 DEX
Arab - +2 DEX -2 WIS

>>54766433
You're not great at balancing races.

>>54765777
>And they never improved those technologies and cultural ideas after developing them.
This is the stone age, you dunce. What do you expect them to do? start building castles? There's no evidence to suggest that they just developed tools and culture then suddenly stopped for no reason.

>Because they had a few hundred thousand years headstart. Which humans catched up on really fucking fast. And then humans left Neanderthals in the dust.
No, the Neanderthals died off some time before the last ice age.

>>54766367
>and have a penchant of climbing mountains with very little oxygen on top 'because its there'

That's a human trait. Humans have been climbing mountains "because its there" all the time. Sherpas had been up and around Everest for centuries before the first white man ever saw it. It's just that it's physiologically impossible for a human to survive a trip to the top of Everest without relatively modern equipment, and only white people had modern equipment.

>>54766448
Life isn't balanced.

>>54766433
Feel like African is a bit underpowered
How a +2 SPD

>>54766459
We're talking about proposed racial traits for humans in tabletop games. Imbalanced races is shitty design.

>>54766414
So, you agree with my post?

I mean, you are too autistic to understand that I'm talking about exaggerated fantasy humans based on real stereotypes. But you clearly seem to take the concept of basing fictional races on notable traits of real races in stride.

>>54766349
>Like TES games.
But the good TES games did have race impact stats. And racism, for that matter.

>>54766483
But realistic.

If you're going to choose African for some reason just go Barbarian.

>>54765946
This is how Earthdawn handles it. Sky pirates for example are mostly Trolls but there are plenty of non-trolls too because anyone that can pass the trials is accepted into the clan

>>54766484
>So, you agree with my post?

No. You completely, totally, irrevocably misused the term "Nubian".

>But you clearly seem to take the concept of basing fictional races on notable traits of real races

You know, I'll bite, because I know the answer to this but I know you'll get it wrong: what real-world culture are the drow elves of the Forgotten Realms based on? These would be the most well-known iteration of drow, with spider worship and Lolth and the matriarchy and so on.

>>54766531
>Not playing Barbarian Asian and being a superior mongolian

>>54766189
>nazis
>me
I didn't know nazis came in African colours these days, you falseflagging /pol/ cunt.

>>54766575
Watch out though, he could post a large infograph with no actual proof and big scary quotes about 'the jews'

>>54766451
Fucking read up on fucking neolithic cultural development and technological changes.

WE HUMANS HAVE BEEN INVENTING SHIT RIGHT FROM THE MOMENT WE SPLIT OFF FROM OUR ANCESTORS!

>>54766575
How's that -4 INT treating you?

>>54766473
>+6 BET

>>54766215
>Restricting yourself to real life values when you create fictional humans is silly.

The reason why it isn't, is because unlike orcs, elves, and dwarves, there are actually humans in the real world who can get offended - and rightly so if you're pigeonholing them into stereotypes that don't even necessarily make sense for them. Nigerians are "African", but they're not noted for any particular prowess at running.

>>54766541
>You know, I'll bite, because I know the answer to this but I know you'll get it wrong: what real-world culture are the drow elves of the Forgotten Realms based on? These would be the most well-known iteration of drow, with spider worship and Lolth and the matriarchy and so on.
Ok, you are literally too autistic to understand.
I'm not even joking.

>>54766541
>what real-world culture are the drow elves of the Forgotten Realms based on?

None. No Matriarchy has ever produced a culture.

>>54766488
Yes, but that's just half of it.
The other half is minor spells that you get in Morrowind, for example.

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>long-lived races are stagnant and unambitious so human domination can seem (a little) less retarded

>>54766673
>Nigerians are well educated and immigrate to America where they succeed due to their culture of hard work and having stable nuclear families.

Only america seems to have a cancerous thug culture that isn't seen as cringey elsewhere.

>>54766673
Real people could also get offended at fantasy races by interpreting them as analogues of real world races.

It's much more interesting if everyone is in on the joke and the entire thing is blatant as shit. That's how you prevent people from being offended, not by making orcs who are totally not Liberians.

>>54766703
They are, in fact, based on a real world society. Find it.

>>54766715
Well the longer you have to do something, the more likely you'll procrastinate.

>>54766748
>They are, in fact, based on a real world society.

They are not.

>>54766764
It's the Mafia. They're based on the Mafia. The greater legwork of drow culture was developed by R.A. Salvatore for his Drizzt books, and he explicitly based them on in-fighting and family obssession that happens in the Mafia.

>>54766789
>It's the Mafia. They're based on the Mafia

The mafia isn't a matriarchy and doesn't have a connection with spiders though. If you're describing the mafia as a "culture" then a closer culture would be BDSM fetishists.

>>54766828
>drow
mafia +matriarch+spiders
>dwarf
jew+short+DIG

you add some shit to make it seem original

>>54766828
Yeah, because Salvatore knew that even when you're basing something off of an extant society or culture, you should still make enough changes so that people can't point at you and say "ey, whatsammatta you? You think you're a hotshot, youse a cool guy, makin' us the bad guys? I've gotta nice set a' concrete slippers for ya!"

Which basically applies to all the fantasy races. Sure, D&D wood elves are probably based on, I dunno, the Picts or something. But they've become buried under layers and layers of additional traits and quirks so that the original inspriation ins't apparent.

Likewise, D&D orcs seem to be based on Klingons more than anything these days. And Klingons pull from just about every warrior culture in human history, while still blending things together to remain distinct.

You should never be able to point to a fantasy race and say "that's the Bantu!" or "they're clearly meant to be the Inca!" And that goes double for humans, because humans exist in the real world and can get pissed off at you.

>>54766014
Caucasian - +2 CON +2 INT -2 STR (Europe is disease-ridden and European culture emphasizes education, but the high standards of living have made the people fat and weak).

Asian- +2 INT +2 WIS -2 CHA (Much like the Caucasians, the Asians value a well-honed mind, but also place an emphasis on intuition and mental flexibility. However, their insular culture, peculiar concepts of honor and loyalty, and casual arrogance towards those who do not come from "The Kingdom at the Center of the World" make the rest of the world receive them poorly.)

African- +2 STR +2 CON +2 WIS -4 INT (The harshness of the Dark Continent has led to the African to be strong, sturdy, and in tune with the world around him. However, they cleave strong to the ways of their ancestors and scoff at the frivolities of civilization. (North Africans lose the +2 CON, as their civilized dwellings have made them soft, but take a -2 to CHA instead of an INT penalty: they are u. the +2 WIS is not the result of survival, but instead of their pious way of life.)

Latino- +2 CHA +2 DEX -2 WIS (The people of the jungles of the far Western lands are famed for their beauty and grace, but their fanatical loyalty to their gods often makes them unreasonable.)

Arabs- +2 WIS, +2 DEX, -2 INT (The people of the great sands of the Near East are skilled with bow and horse, and known for their art, poetry, and simple wisdom. However, their culture is slow to adapt the ideas of the modern world.)

I also have ideas for Jews and Native Americans.

>>54767014
>They are u
That was suppoed to say, they are UNTRUSTING of outsiders to their way of life, despite their skill at trade.

>>54766575
Nazis came in "African colors" back in the day too, dumbass. Inglorious Basterds wasn't a documentary, nazis were actually quite okay with blacks.

>>54764450
All races possess these qualities. Humans are the relatable and ubiquitous race.

>>54764450
holy fucking shit shut the fuck up faggot

>>54765130
>Why are people talking about realism?
Because we're retarded and will argue about make believe as if there's a single right way to do it, and damned if it's the way everyone else apparently likes.

>>54765563
I'd say "raping to death" is not very conducive to generating offspring.

>>54766023
If you truly feel this way please do the world a favor and off yourself.

>>54767294
You presume it was the males doing the raping.

>>54767160
Fuck off and kill yourself, /pol/fag.

>>54766014

>Caucasian: +2 STR / +1 INT / +1 CHA
>East Asian: +1 DEX / +2 INT / +1 WIS
>Subsaharan African: +2 DEX / +2 CON
>Arab/Persian: +1 CON / +2 WIS / +1 CHA

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>Humans only had one nuclear war so they are technologically advanced

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>>54764450

>>54766730
I can't believe a culture of people who were enslaved and segregated has been unsuccessful.

>>54767401
Whats is this? Hypothetical time axis if Christianity never was a thing?

>>54767554
Fedorafags are intolerable.

>>54767554
Ignoring the fedora it's the timeline for another alien race in the 2300ad setting, one that had three nuclear wars.

>>54764450
Humans aren't.
Humans are a waste.

>>54766014
>Asian - +2 INT

More like +2 Deception

>>54764704
Except that farming is how we actually accomplished shit.

>>54767691
Why are there so many sniveling, limp-wristed, self-hating human shamers on this board?

>>54767802
I am not a self-hating human shamer, mostly because I'm not a human, stop insulting me.
Also, having so much self hating human may have a meaning about how much of a good race human are.

>>54767802
Some people are just tired of HOOMANZ DA BEST self-insert faggots that use fantasy worlds to fellate themselves.

>>54767845
All it says is that whiny betamale losers are particularly vocal on this board.

>>54767894
So find a middle ground instead of loudly taking the opposite and even more annoying extreme. If you really hate humans so much and think they're that shitty, off yourself and quit bitching about it every opportunity you get.

>>54767902
Honestly, this thread doesn't seem to contain more self-hating humans than everywhere else...

>>54764920
>>54765777
>>54766599
I really like how despite being proven wrong you still post your garbage uncited claims as something factual.

>>54767924
I didn't even complain about humans a single time in this thread, I'm the alleged /pol/-fag that wants more diversity, as funny as that sounds.

>>54767924
Consenting ground to your opponent is the quickest way to self surrender

>>54766018
Okay, so design a game where 10 STR, 10 CON, 10 DEX, 10 INT, 10 WIS, 10 CHA describes an average octopus rather than an average human. See if people who aren't marine biologists understand that intuitively.

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>>54767531
>but it's not my fault because whitey
It is.

>>54766273
Everyone but fagopeans has higher odds of lactose intolerance. At that point, make it an euro feature.

>>54766319
That can get kinda stupid when there are real discrepancies between races
I mean, a giant and a halfling are on completely different weight classes. Their strengths shouldn't really match.

>>54764828
There is no reason why other rational animals wouldn't be like that also.

>>54767531
Do you believe Italians also weren't shit heavily upon by the wider culture for their culture that glorifies criminal behavior?

Any subculture that glorifies criminal activity is scum and that includes white trash redneck culture too.

>>54765351
>>54765389
You mean "Talislanta" ?

>Tumblr: The Thread
god you ppl are such fucking little sissies about fucking EVERYTHING
I've heard some folks saying that 90% of this board is for fags that can't get into a game group... I'm starting to seriously believe it.

>>54766433
>arabs
>dex bonus
Have you seen one of these guys aim a gun

>>54766037
No, there's plenty of bipedal creatures, humans are build unusually well for dexterity, intelligence, and endurance.

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>>54769212

>>54767984
>being proven wrong
>not citing any sources to prove him wrong
lol

Need opinions on my 'human uniqueness':

>Humans are the only creatures to be obsessed with recreating their own likeness. Dolls for instance are a uniquely human invention, as well as the art of humanity has humans as one of its center points throughout the ages. Other races feel no similar compulsion to recreate themselves by any means other than breeding and find humanity's obsession with representations of themselves disturbing.

>Similarly humans are the only species with an 'uncanny valley' effect of others that look close to them but not quiet. This seems to be tied in some way with humanity's obsession with recreating themselves.

>Halfbreeds often are scorned by mainstream human communities, as they fall under this uncanny valley reaction.

>Human's have a better lung capacity and louder voice than nearly every other race.

>Human feet & legs make them fantastic marathon runners compared to other races who either tire in the long haul or can not run well at all

>Humans are very good at single minded repetitive tasks. Other races, such as dwarves, have natural talent with certain crafts, but humans have a single minded persistentness that allows them to devote an entire lifetime to a single craft, or even a single piece of art/craftsmanship.

>>54769261
I'm not sure why you're still trying to prove to everyone you're a retard who doesn't understand how burden of proof works that keeps making uncited claims after his garbage claims were proven wrong by actual sources, it's already rather clear that you are.

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>>54765625

I honestly don't understand why everyone thinks it's bigoted to apply Darwinian logic to human ethnicities, but have no objection to doing the same with animal populations. Apart from our intelligence, humans are no different from animals, and the same logic applies.

Logic dictates that different environments produce different selection pressures, which facilitate the development of different traits, eventually resulting in the evolution of closely-related subspecies, i.e, races.

I don't understand why people are so vehemently opposed to the idea that humanity is a diverse entity made up of several subspecies, each with their own strengths and weaknesses. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that there are differences between races. The racial average doesn't apply to the individual, and the best for the job is the best for the job, regardless of race.

No race should be favored OR discriminated upon by virtue of their race. Affirmative action and excessive international aid is racist for implying that races require the assistance of other races to thrive, likewise, apartheid and ethnic-based slavery are racist for implying that one race is inherently superior or inferior to another.

Everyone on both sides of the issue seem to think one's race over-rides one's status as human, when the opposite is true. There's no reason to assume race is the end-all-be-all, it's only race. Until humanity acknowledges and embraces the differences between races and becomes an unbiased meritocracy, we'll never be able to build a truly enlightened society.

>>54769269
I don't really care about any of this.

>>54769392
Ignore this person. He was shitposting in the elf slave way do thread earlier

>>54769314
Nice assumptions there. That's the only post I've made in this thread until this point, fagtron. Neither of you have proved shit.

>>54769192
this 110%

>>54769409
Everyone was shitposting in this thread.

>>54769426
>>54765555
Also for the record, I'm a different anon, you dumb fuck.

>>54769392
>Until humanity acknowledges and embraces the differences between races and becomes an unbiased meritocracy, we'll never be able to build a truly enlightened society.
Get outta here you fucking communist

>>54764450
>Humans are the only known race to have sweat glands
>They're well known negotiators, capable of living in both high and relatively low temperatures preferred by other races for extended periods without extensive life support equipment.

>>54769469
What's wrong with communism?

>>54769409

I was shit-posting, but I didn't post the same image. I saved it for research purposes.

>>54769469

Not a communist, I'm a distributist.

>>54769563
It just doesn't work.
>inb4: then why some people support it
Because they don't work either.

>>54769563

In theory? Nothing, it would be the perfect system. In practice? People are too retarded and selfish for it to work in any meaningful capacity.

>>54767984
Uh, just pick up a book on hominids. Oh wait, you can't do that in fucking Durkistan, can you Achmed? Evolution too evil for your poor bug brain.

>>54766178
>there is no anatomical or psychological differences between two people of different ethnicities

also
>problematic

This must be some kind of elaborate falseflag.

>>54764450
>humans are the better endowed race and the only one willing to fuck all the other races

>>54769563
>>54769590
All commies must hang
Corporatism is better than distributionism

>>54769661
I see you're still attempting to show everyone else how much of an absolute mongoloid you are. Try less projection and more citation next time.

>>54769655
>communism is perfect, everyone and everything else is the problem
Kill urself my man

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>>54767014
>>54767399

Why not use a system based on where the humans are from instead? Many african tribes living in the high lands may not run as much as other african tribes while the celtics lived in scottlands plains may be better at running than the african mountain tribes.

I would use something like ths:
Mountain Man: +1 STR (Need the STR to carry things upphill / climbing)
Plains Man: +1 CON (Used to travel long distances by foot)
Costal Man: +1 CHA (Most big cities are costal and are "more" social)
Forest Men: +1 WIS (The often more common sense when i comes to nature and understanding nature)

INT i haven't figured out.

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>>54764450
>Humans are the kind hearted, spiritual healers of body and soul
>their compassion and ideology for helping one another is an inspiration to all the other races
>the caretaker race, humans are always happy to help one another and if you show kindness to them they will repay it to you.
>ever protective of their friends they'll walk through fire to help them and even lay down their own lives for the needs of the many
>kind, loyal, respectful and peaceful

>no matter your race or where you are, you'll always feel like you're back home with humans.

>>54769655
Wait, did he say communism or capitalism?

>>54769611
Hahaha anon, didn't you know?? REAL communism has never been tried!

>humans are the only sapient species with taste buds that register sweetness
>somehow they conquer the universe thanks to us
HURRMAMITY, FUKK YEHHH BOI

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>>54769771

Human nature is why I'm not a commie, if we evolved to be a herd species, communism would be perfect. As it is, we're a predatory species, and the vast majority of us are only motivated when we can compete with other members of our species, hence, why communism has failed almost every time it was implemented. We'll have to settle for some form of capitalism or competitive socialism.

>>54769689

> he's a corporatist

The Veronica Roth fan club is elsewhere, meat-bot.

>>54769825

The difference is that Capitalism depends on human selfishness, whereas Communism depends on human altruism.

>>54769797
cave man

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obligatory integration into the hive mind is best form of government

>>54769476
>Humans are the only known race to have sweat glands
then how do all the other races cool off?

>>54770178
The same as cold blooded or warm blooded animals without them do. Wallowing, licking, sunning, shivering, torpor, dozens of other ways of regulating body temperature.

They are generally less effective at lowering bodytempurature.

>>54770178
if we take earth animals as inspiration
>expel heat through salivation
>cover themselves in liquids from the sorrounding
>are mainly homeothermic
>possess large surfaces where passing blood can cool off
>heat retention is the job of structures that can be momentarily altered to not work
>they don't but live in places comfy to their needs

>>54770178
The only other known species consist entirely of animu doggirls

>>54767014
See, on the one hand I don't entirely agree with the stats and some of the descriptions feel colonial as hell. On the other hand, they're well written and have a certain charm to them. So, uh, good job on that. You're a pretty good writer, anon.

>>54766639
Underrated

>>54770436
Dogs only have very limited sweat glans.
Immersion broken.

>>54767554
Thinking Christianity slowed us down

>>54767709
>those evil jews and asians aren't REALLY smarter than us, they just use some dirty ancient eastern magic to CHEAT!

>>54766014
With their lifespans, Asians deserve the con.

>>54764634
I actually like this idea. When you're talking about humans, you're talking a very diverse species with lots of races within it that all have clear differences, mostly do to the size of the species and the cultures therein. You could have the imperials with their guaranteed wealth and contacts, the barbarians with their savage strength and speed, the hardy northerners and seafarers, etc.

>>54764634
My problem with that is that unless humans are way, way more dominant than every other race (and the world is really, really big), you need to do that for all the other races too, and that's a lot of work. I guess Elder Scrolls does it, though, which is neat.

>>54764920
>>54765509
Intelligence isn't correlated with brain size like you think, it's more about the folds.

>>54766266
Speaking as a DM, HP regen is a slippery slope, especially if it can activate in combat, so I'd suggest against it. Otherwise that's a good starting point, humans have absurd stamina compared to other animals.

>>54769086
The issue is that you're assuming that we humans are rational.

>>54766155
So who do you like Faggot?

>>54767527
>traits any intelligent race similar enough to be played in an RPG would undoubtedly have

Wow you sure showed him.

>>54766014
>>54766433
Two stats is already too much. Racial differences are already smaller than sexual ones.

And latino isn't even a race.

>>54772234
>bothering to reply to HFY trash

>>54766088
I'd like to see a study comparing how well completely musically inexperienced African origin blacks vs European origin whites perform at musical tasks. Also measuring preferences in music. As a musician, based on personal experience, I'd bet the blacks would outperform the whites. I've seen black children with the rhythm of pro jazz musicians.

>>54765826
>reality is offensive

>>54766205
>Of course, you also run into the issue that "African" is basically a wholly invented "race". Africans aren't racially homogenous, any more than Caucasians. Someone from Ethiopia probably has more in common with folk from Egypt or the Levant than folk from Nigeria or South Africa.
This is only true for Horn/East Africans. Everyone else in Sub-Saharan African can broadly be divided between Bantus and Khoisan, and the various ethnicities stem from there. All of the peoples belonging to these two groups are more closely related to each other than they are to anyone else, including East Africans and North Africans. Now, as I said earlier, East/Horn Africans are different, as they are related to Caucasoids instead. Excluding them, African is not an invented race. Lumping them in with a Bantu/Khoisan grouping is the only thing that's artificial.

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>>54766023
News flash, other animals aren't actually any better.

Life forms were a mistake.

>>54764634
Yeah, I agree. While it is more realistic, the problem lies with actually writing down "Jews get a +2 to Intelligence and proficiency in Deception checks, but have a -2 to Strength and disadvantage on all other Charisma checks." You just end up looking like a racist.

>>54765509
That's because the Neanderthal skulls don't have dog skeletons near them, but Human skills did.

>Humans are obsessed with death. It haunts their every nightmare. They consider a story to be lacking in realism or gravitas if none of the characters die. Of all the tongues in the world, those belonging to humans possess the greatest number of words synonymous to "kill," "death" and "dying." Where other races convict a murderer of murder, humans have multiple words for murder depending on the target's relation to the murderer, and the number of targets. So pervasive is death in their minds that a common human response to humor or amazement is "you're killing me."

>Many suspect that this is because their natural lifespans are the shortest out of the 'civilized races,' and are often cut shorter by war and disease. But something so simple cannot possibly explain the overwhelming presence death holds within the human psyche.

>Death cults frequently appear among humans, and many even outside of these cults believe that all of existence itself will eventually die. Where others describe the gods as "mighty" or "wise," humans most often differentiate the gods from those of us in the Material by describing them as "immortal."

>It may never truly be understood why the human race is so fascinated by, so terrified by, and even so aroused by death that they personify it in art and ascribe honor or dishonor to one's manner of death. What is understood is that it consciously or unconsciously informs every action they take, from the most measured to the most foolhardy.

>It also explains why they alone among the 'civilized races' of the world spend more time in fear of the gods' power than in thanks for their blessings.

>>54771307
Asians are just cheap labor and plastic surgery sluts. Westerners did everything worth to mankind

>>54764450
I've recently come to the conclusion that humans being adaptable, ambitious, and innovative makes us the most interesting race.

>>54773899
>implying it was any better when the world was a burning hellscape
>implying gravitational accretion isn't just matter going full normalfag and lumping together out of insecurity
>implying the big bang wasn't and isn't just some shitposting autist going EEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrr until he runs out of breath
The universe was never good.

>>54765861
>>54766014
>>54766175
All these people assuming you're even going to be using real life ethnicities. What do you think fantasy is?

>>54769938
That idea that communism is bad because it goes again our natural order implies that our natural order isn't inherently flawed and doomed to self-annihilation. Stars also work in a similar fashion, consuming an eve-increasing amount if fuel only to end up destroying itself. All human empires also mimicked natural order, which is why they have dissapeared and crumbled. The things thar helped us strive as a nascent specie is what's destroying us now that we are solely in domination. It's pretty much entropy applied as a social construct at this time.

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>>54767554

>>54776092
Your issue is that you can't change human nature. Doesn't work, no matter how much you stomp on their throat.

>>54776144
If humans can't change their nature, they are destined to self-destruction. They can easily change. They just don't see the point of it because human extinction is so far removed from our ability to think that we don't see it as a possibility.Apocalypse movies always have survivors. And people are more afraid if you tell them they might lose their jobs then to hear we will unavoidably destroy ourselves.

>>54776092
Communism isn't bad because it goes against our nature, it's just unlikely to succeed for that reason and while I can't speak for anyone else, I personally don't want to deal with the consequences of the latest failed attempt at installing it in my home country.

>>54776210
>They can easily change
Yes anon, people can abandon all desire for personal gain, personal goods, power, fair reward for more work, and all of our labor-saving desires that lead to people shirking which will just be motivated further by the standard rationing of communism. Humanity can truly transmogrify their mindsets completely to become ants.

>>54776248
While i understand the fear, the only alternative is the end of Humanity in a 100-year span.

>>54776248
>>54776276
Not unlikely. Impossible.

>>54776279
That's a very bold prediction you're making here. I'd like to see the rationale for it. Of course, even if you're correct, I really don't give a fuck either way. If you don't believe in an afterlife you have nothing to lose, if you do you get to meet your maker.

>>54776285
I'm trying to be diplomatic, but yes, I lean more towards it being impossible myself.

>>54776276
They can easily do that. It's called survival instinct, and it's stronger than anything you listed. The main problem is that the threat isn't obvious enough for survival instinct to kick in.

>>54776305
>It's called survival instinct
Never have humans transmogrified into ants through survival instincts. But they sure did resort to cannibalism in your glorious Communist gulags.

>>54764634
If this post offends you, you're too far gone. Pretending that all races exhibit the exact same physiology and psychology is as insane as claiming that dog breeds do too.

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>>54766014
Fin - -2 CHA

>>54766018
10 represents human baseline. If you want humans to be the weakest race, every other race has at least 11 strength. It's as easy as that.

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>>54764450
>humans are

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>>54764450
But it's true

>>54764634
>doesn't say anything about using real-world races
>gets jumped on regardless
fuck summer /tg/

>>54776279
?
What?
There's no reason to think we'll simply die off in any kind of nearish future. We'll just keep doing war, making love, inventing stuff, and so on like we've been doing for thousands of years. The advent of nuclear warheads has so far proven that as a whole humans are clever enough to NOT trigger a massive international armaggedon that would suck for everyone. Climate change has proven that we can become aware of environmental hazard we're causing before they get too bad and start thinking of fixing it.
Humanity is in an okay spot right now and there's no real reason to claim that it's all going to the shitter in a few years.

I imagine that people in the past claimed the same when the black plague hit, or when the world wars hit. We can handle these.

>>54769405
Not him, but don't be rude!

Humanity in my setting arrived late to the party in the realm of civilization, with elves and dwarves already in decent advancement. They were also used as slave labor during certain parts of early history, and a period of world exploration by the elves made humans spread out to most continents.

Humans had to earn their place in the world map from day one. They're not the smartest, tallest, strongest, or most resilient, but survival has called for cleverness.

>>54766175
yes and

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>>54764450
>humans are generic stat jacks

>>54776092
Communism is the premise that P=NP, which is obviously astronomically improbable.

Capitalism solves the calculation problem by using a decentralized p2p network instead of one big dumb mainframe controlled by men in funny uniforms.

Seeing as we have 0 sentient races with which to compare ourselves, we could be the "literally anything" race. There is no scale, and it would depend 100% on what other races happened to evolve like.

>>54773726

I'll back this, every one of my black acquaintances has an exteemely keen sense of rhythm, there's a reason most professional rappers are black.

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>>54764450
>humans are good
I love when this happens.

>>54781556
I wish I had a loyal bug friend.

>>54769086
But there is no reason other rational animals would be like that.
Fantasy authors are making adaptability, ingenuity and curiosity humanity's shtick because they can't imagine humans without them, so they make them defining characteristics. It's easier to come up with alien behaviors for species that aren't us. Ie why didn't dwarves figure out that htey cna take their stonemasonry outside their lightless tunnels to build towns and fortresses like reasonable human beings? Because figuring that out is something humans can do and dwarves can't.

Of note: in Mass Effect humans were a terrifying presence because they weren't the best at particularly anything, but they weren't average at anything either: they were very near the top at everything instead, with singular specialized humans sometimes capable of matching up to anyone from any species within their chosen area of specialization.

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>>54781631
Mass Effect aliums a shit. 2300ad has the best aliums, and they all compare well to humans. Humans have a slight technological edge in computing, where Pentapods have the best biotech, Kafers (arguably) the best military tech, Eber the best ability to lose their homeworld to a nuclear conflict, etc. And all the aliums are alium enough that they're very distinct from humans, who are in no way "generalists."

>>54766155
>caring about porn as a legit art form
>looking at faces in porn
>following porn artists

>>54766155
>can only draw one (man)face
Not arguing
>only recently learned how to do (slightly) varied body types
Not arguing either
>story for the shitty shortstack meme comic consists of "BAWWW, EVERYONE HAYES ME BCUZ I'M DEGENERATE" on fucking loop because Incase has a persecution complex
You didn't actually read the words in the funny balloons

>>54766433

Might as well add some permanent traits to races like African niggers get +4 luck or +40% stealth during the night. And Arab can get something like Mob rule, and +10 in deceit or something.

Funny how, for all the whining people give about snowflake races, humans commonly come off as the biggest attention-whoring mary-sues possible in fiction, often succeeding with pure ass-pulls and their enemies succumbing to plot induced incompetence.

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>>54782183
Truly, what an arrogant race. They should be put in their place

>>54765196
This. Humans are the best endurance hunters on the planet. A fit human, used to cross-country traveling, can out-distance any other animal in the long run. It just doesn't seem like a big deal to us because modern life doesn't make much use of such abilities.

It would be interesting to see a fantasy setting where non-human races have much lower physical endurance, and consider human ability to continuously run for leagues without rest to be absolutely absurd. Human couriers would be in great demand, human hunters would be renowned for their long-range tracking, and human armies would be feared for their unusual mobility and reach.

Humans get extra skill points.

>>54769269
I like these, especially regarding humans affinity for self-depiction. That's something that is so common to us that I can definitely buy it as a "racial characteristic" rather than mere culture. Reminds me of an SF novel I read where humans were the only species that created/appreciated music and dance, which others found very strange and alien.

>>54769192
This

The best setting are either humans only or no humans at all, which neatly sidesteps this issue.

>>54764450
Just wondering what is the issue with this. What is it that particularly irks them?

>>54776365
Attempting to quantify such things for a board game is for nutjobs of the highest caliber. You have to have a screw loose to care that much, even worse if you tgink you can be accurate.

>>54787238
It assumes that humans are the only race with those kind of traits, when logically any similarly sentient race would have to have those same traits to have gotten anywhere at all, unless all the races in a given setting barring humans are basically dumb uncivilized savage tier. It's usually used to justify humans outdoing everything else almost purely by virtue of being the designated protagonist race.

>>54767531
What is russia and all of asia for 100, alex.

>>54771478

Not exactly true, this is still debated. Human brain size has decreased since the advent of agriculture. The decreases appear to correlate well with increases in human population density ... the theory behind this is, that the more people are in one spot, the less people actually need to be "smart". The dumb ones are just required to "follow orders" and copy the actions of the few smart ones. Neanderthal genes regulating brain activity have been under negative selection pressure since the Stone Age. I do not think that this is because the Neanderthal brain genes were inferior... they were actually better but more energy consuming (brain eats up ludicrous amounts of energy). Considering that in a complex society actual intelligence is not required for everybody, you would rather put that energy into reproduction instead of brain size. Breed like rabbits instead of being smart...

>>54777473
This, how anyone could think this is some racist bait is beyond me

>>54767304
>>54773899
fucking hfw shitters kill yourselves

>>54767014
Jew: same as Caucasian but any monetary transaction you make will go favorably

>>54764634
As long as they're close enough to still be human.

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>>54765826
>It's simply introducing a needlessly uncomfortable - and revolting - element to any player born after 1900.
Some races are on average better at some things than others. It's not /pol/ to say that, and it doesn't mean every individual of one race is pigeonholed into the averages of that race. You can have a high-int orc despite the racial penalty after all, to use an example of common fantasy races.
You're just looking for things to get offended by.

>>54765805
If this isn't racist, nothing's racist.

>>54766414
>Various Nubians even became Egyptian Pharaohs
Ayo hol up

>>54766414
If that was true, then genetics would have shown it. Yet African influx into Egypt only started with the rise of Islam, long after the New Kingdom.

>>54791918
He's 100% provably wrong and probably got that bullshit from somewhere. The only black Pharaohs were the 25th Dynasty.

>>54772268
>latino isn't even a race.
Then what the fuck are they called? Not the guy you're replying to but serious question, I get yelled at if I call them Hispanic, I get yelled at if I call them Latino, what are the brown people from Latin and South America called?

>>54792003
You're going to get yelled at no matter what.

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>>54792010
And that's why I don't bother even trying to be politically correct.

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Australians: +3 CHA -3 WIS

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>>54764450
>Humans are the archaic progenitor race who seeded the stars with life and raised countless races to sentience, and whose warped miscreations and degenerate descendants now threaten the civilized races of the galaxy.

>>54792003
It doesn't matter what you call them, they can't speak english anyway. Just point them in the direction of teh mess you want them to clean up and hope they figure it out.

>>54767802
Some people felt the "Humanity Fuck Yeah!" people were a bit obnoxious
So they decided to be ten times as obnoxious and push humans as being the weakest things ever without exception.

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Just do what Fantasycraft does:

They have humans with no base modifiers or abilities compared to other Species.

Instead, they get a Talent. (continued)

>>54778374
>Climate change has proven that we can become aware of environmental hazard we're causing before they get too bad
I'm admittedly not a climatologist but I've heard we're rapidly approaching the "oh shit we're too late" point and not doing enough to turn around. Or is that just leftie fearmongering? I try to give both sides a fair shake even if I'm biased against them.

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>>54792266

Talents are packages that give you attribute modifiers and other useful abilities. These are point-balanced using a system that, while not described in the book, somebody was able to reverse-engineer, such that all Talents are about equivalent in power to each other, and to the benefits other Species get.

>>54787585
The real problem with this trope is that adaptability, ambition, and innovation aren't all that common in the human race. Going by most human beings our species would be better described as:

> a race of nepotistic conformists whose limited ambitions rarely go beyond personal greed, self aggrandizement, and ethnic competition.

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>>54792290

Talents represent your personality and inclination. Rather than something like race or ethnicity, it represents typically an attitude, temperament, or outlook the character has, which is a much larger impression on the character's abilities.

>>54792270
>Or is that just leftie fearmongering?

Yes, they've been saying that since the 90s. Ironically, that was also when their original predictions from the 1970's came due, and proved to be false. Instead of reevaluating their climate models, they just doubled down on their doomsaying.

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>>54792344

There are a few Talents that belong to a specific culture in some of the setting manuals (Adventure Companion, specifically), but they make a point of saying that you do not have to take that Talent to belong to that culture, it is just a sort of symbolic talent of the nature of that culture.

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>>54792383

Besides Talents, each character regardless of Species also gets a Class, 2 Origin skills (which always count as Class skills regardless of their class), and a Specialty, which offers similar but different benefits from the Talents, and follows a pattern somewhat akin to an occupation (even though it doesn't specifically have to be your actual occupation).

These are things like Acrobat, Noble, Shield Bearer, Rogue, Corsair, Crusader, Physician, etc.

>>54792270
>>54792270
>"oh shit we're too late" point

According to what I learned in school the 90s there is now no Ozone layer and I am living underwater. Because it's 2017, and since we didn't change, it created a global catastrophe.

>>54787728
I guess that's why blue whales are super geniuses have built underwater whale kingdoms

>>54792471
If whales had dextrous hands they probably would have.

>>54792266
Sounds a lot like humans being adaptable.

>>54782599
This is exactly what I'm doing for my setting. Elves are relatively frail for the amount of force their muscles can produce and are loaded with twitch reflex muscle tissue, having a lot of treefrog in their biological design. Dwarves too have a much lower exhausting threshold than humans, they just have a culture that does the Japan thing of "work until you die or you did it wrong"

Humans are also much more resistant to physical trauma than the other two, and their psychology is set up differently, but have shorter lifespans

I'd like to add orcs eventually but don't have enough good ideas for them and don't wanna phone them in for no good reason

The setting originally started as an effort to redesign the races physically based on their environments and imagining their caveman days, and just grew from there. I wanted to see what elves could be beyond pointy eared pretty humans

>>54764450
They're adaptable in my setting since they exist as basically easily manipulated vessels of godly will. Humans are really adaptable IRL, man.

>>54765826
Not /pol/ but
>race that is intrinsically less/more intelligent, strong, or innovative than others
This happens.

But the original dude sounds like a /pol/ guy and it has no place in fantasy games.

>>54765563
Death by snu snu

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>>54766541
Good job for the stunning and brave moral fortitude it took to defend the honour of the Nubians.

Pic related, it's you.

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>>54767554
Keep it up kiddo, you're really showing those mean Christians who's the man.

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>>54769590
My nigga.
Distributionism best

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>>54766178
>Problematic

Get the fuck out of my Taiwanese finger painting board.

Go back to the tumblr blog which spawned you.

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>>54769689
Corporatism, the ideology of the eternal Chad. Well at least you'll have good aesthetics.

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>>54766014

Caucasian is WIS. Jews are CE only, right?

>>54792471

You do not measure total brain mass in the context of intelligence but the ratio of brain mass to total body mass ... aka the encephalization index. This factor is slowly declining in humans during the last few thousand years.

>>54794669
Good thing we're hitting genetic engineering before it gets too late, eh?

>>54764634
People think this is bait, but Elder Scrolls actually does it.
It's fine if the different ethnicities are fictional and not 1:1 depictions of actual ethnicities.

>>54764450
There aren't many fictional races built around living in/near the ocean, why not have humans be the "seafaring race" of agile explorers, pirates, and mercenaries?
It would explain why human civilization is more widespread and less unified compared to races like dwarves or elves.

>>54794913
Humans don't really do well in water and 'coastal' isn't very interest.

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>>54764450
>elves are pompous and fruity

>>54794799
TES doesn't exactly work on the same level as most standard settings though. The only two real species are men and mer, all of the races are just variations/mutations of them. So effectively humans and elves already fill up every archetype in that world that would normally be filled by different generic fantasy races.

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>setting has humans

>>54764450
>Playing real life
God gave gorillas strength but he still didn't make them equal to humans, where is the balance?

>>54769235
>Fight defensively in a modern setting

>>54765418
That's fucking stupid. Humans tend to be independent (if we're using western culture and not your commie BS) they go off on their own to better their own lives. They don't give a fuck about bettering the lives of other humans. They've spent centuries fucking over humans.