Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Are FW chapter tactics likely to happen?

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Git da zoggin humies boyz!

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F for "Good Luck Buddy!)

>>54753423
Who's cares I want my 8E Tyrants Legion rules NOW

>>54753434
God damn it

Is there any point to Skitarii rangers aside from just camping with x2 arquebus?

>>54753423

Hope not: I wanna run a leviathan dread as my dread army HQ when Carab Culln gets rules as an OC, and I'd rather be able to play Salamanders tactics than some shit about apothecary sergeants or whatever the hell it is red scorpions do.

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>>54753434

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I want to run an all infantry and all dreadnought list with an aegis defence line. So far I've got 25 tacs, , a devastator squad with H. Bolters, a librarian, a captain, 2 boxnaughts, a deredeo, 2 contemptors, and a leviathan.
How should I set them to be able to handle moderately normal lists or what else should i have?
Or am i making a big mistake?

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>>54753403
Are any muslims in 40k?

Link to Imperial armour index?

>>54753469
Intimidation some players really don't like the range they have

>>54753573
No, the Emperor removed all religion from Terra.

>>54753573
GSC

>>54753573
i know of at least 2 but they live in western countries

>>54753489
kek

>>54753403
>Chaos rising
>Sygnus Genatorium still at a stalemate at best
>slight gains in the Sump

we're really doing it bros, we're gunna take Konor!

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>>54753403

Nth for Renegades & Heretics

>>54753573
Tallarn desert riders.

>>54753715
This has always been the army I want the most. Shame of it is their models are FW resin, and their rules have either been totally broken or utter shit as they are now. Why even live.

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Any help to Alpha Legion new player?
Right now i have;
Lord from DV starter but with axe
old finecast Ahriman
Ahriman from burning of Prospero i think it would count as just 2 sorcs
termo-lord/sorc still on sprue
2 chosen with power fist and bolt pistol
3 chosen with boltgun
1 with pair of lighting claws
1 Aprising Champion from DV
and 8 normal csm with 1 plasmagun and plasma pistol with fist on champion
What i should buy? I think about leviathan drednought

>>54753573
No old earth religions are referenced if they exist at all.

>>54753423

I want my Carcharodons extra close combat weapons for Tacs back.

>>54753781
Buy the FW contemptor.

>>54753791
Why not one from Calth?

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Painting conscript horde need emotional support.
And if you hate conscript horde at least you might prefer them painted.

>>54753437
The fuck is this?

>>54753760
eh they're more british

Anyone know if there's a marine model which can take 3 or more Chainswords?

>>54753800

It's shit, pinhead.

>>54753804
Burn, scumbag.

>>54753790
Run as BTs then.

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>>54753800

I

You

Fucking

>>54753817
Why?

>>54753800
Ignore him >>54753791

You could use more CSM, but also if you can get your hands on cheap sets of the DV chosen they help with making chosen units and champions.

You should decide how you want to run the army, then get units for that. You'll need heavy firepower/melee for enemy tanks/monsters, anti-infantry solutions and then a good mix of stuff.

>>54753804
I won't play you either way.

>>54753804
Do we tell him, anons?

>>54753819
Knowing i can trigger people this easily is all the encouragement i need.
Thanks anon.

>>54753781
Big shiny toys are nice and all, but you probably want some more basic dudemans to stand on objectives and get shot in the face, plus provide extra CP with a battalion. Either more CSM or cultists would work, and both are fluffy for alpha legion.

>>54753829

Holy shit that's sexy

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>>54753790
brother

>>54753804
Pics or it didn't happen

>>54753781
Some more Marines or Cultists
Predators

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Alpha Legion

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WHAT'S GOOD NIGGA?!?!

>>54753781
My vote is cultists... as many cultists as possible

>>54753828

Black Templars can't take boltgun and combat weapon.

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Scratch build or convert anything lately, Anons?

>>54753886
What happened to his eyes?

>>54753804
you can do it anon, I believe in you to not to succumb to sucking sweaty mancocks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdgCajndgNw

So anyone deploy solely daemon engines yet?

>>54753886
>my ur-ghul has got no eyes
>how does it look, archon?
>disgusting, like the filthy mon-keigh
>dohohohoho

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>>54753886
Don't forget to bring a torch!

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>>54753840
I just think levi can do anti-tank, infantry and just melee
>>54753829
I have forgot about this.
>>54753850
>>54753888
I dont know where to get cool looking and cheap horde of cultists. Are they so good? They just die and die.
>>54753883
laspred seems nice

GIB THUNDER WARRIORS

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>>54753804
Fuck this guy, give RGG your strength over in /wip/
Hes begun his quest

>>54753957
The emperor already did gib them.

>>54753927
Cheers

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>>54753434
I knew that chaos primaris were inevitable, and I suspected that FB was going to be responsible for them, but I didn't anticipate GW being quite that literal and unimaginative.

Why is literally anything written from GW which isn't about about guard, orks or admech such utter shit? Their art, rules and model design is variable, but their background writers are just universally terrible except when it comes to a handful of factions.

>>54753957
Play 30k and run a Blackshield force with the Chimera trait (+1S/T -1I), you get crappier power armor and stats that are somewhat better than marines but same initiative as normal humans. Best option to make a Thunderwarrior force.

>>54753993

To be fair, how else are you gonna get chaos primaris

Gulliman Heresy 2 electric bugaloo?

Rip & tear list v1.2: Berzerkers are still troops edition

++World Eaters++

Batallion detachment (+3 CP)

++HQ++
Chaos Lord in Terminator Armor - 161pts
>Combi-melta, Axe of Blind Fury (replaces Power axe)

Dark Apostle - 95pts
>Combi-melta, Power Maul, Brass Collar of Bhorghaster (-1CP from extra relic)


++Troops++
Khorne Berzerkers - 182pts
>x8 Berzerkers - Chainsword and Chainaxe
>Skull Champion - Power fist, Chainsword, Icon of Wrath

Khorne Berzerkers - 199pts
>x9 Berzerkers - Chainsword and Chainaxe
>Skull Champion - Power fist, Chainsword, Icon of Wrath

Khorne Berzerkers - 199pts
>x9 Berzerkers - Chainsword and Chainaxe
>Skull Champion - Power fist, Chainsword, Icon of Wrath

++Elites++
Chaos Terminators - 200pts
>x4 Chaos Terminators - Combi-bolter, Power axe
>Terminator Champion - Combi-bolter, Power axe, Icon of Wrath

Chaos Terminators - 298pts
>x2 Chaos Terminators - Combi-melta, Power axe
>x2 Chaos Terminators - Combi-melta, Power sword
>Terminator Champion - Combi-melta, Power fist, Icon of Wrath

++Fast Attack++
Blood Slaughterer of Khorne - 180pts
>x2 Slaughter blade

Blood Slaughterer of Khorne - 180pts
>x2 Slaughter blade

++Dedicated Transport++
Chaos Rhino - 102pts
>Combi-bolter, Combi-melta, Havoc launcher, Smoke launchers

Chaos Rhino - 102pts
>Combi-bolter, Combi-melta, Havoc launcher, Smoke launchers

Chaos Rhino - 102pts
>Combi-bolter, Combi-melta, Havoc launcher, Smoke launchers

>>54754042
That blackshield book is some of the most flavorful rules in 7th
>Hit with high S weapons drops your armour save

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>>54754050
Forgot pic

>>54753434
SM player tears over inevitable barcode barely scuffed Chaos primaris marines are already delicious.

>>54754046
What about Fabius creating alternative chad marines that are just as buff as primaris ? I mean, we've known Fabulous Bill for his endless work on making marines 2.0 so why not say "He finally completed his work" and call it a day.

>>54753993
I'd prefer if Fabulous Bill had created the Primaris instead of "Literally-Who" Cawl.

>>54753403
Anyone have the point costs for the new Death Guard melee weapons?

>>54754046
Maybe Fabius' 10,000 years of research could have actually produced something? Or there could have been some overlooked flaw which meant a lot of them suddenly fell to chaos. Just anything that wasn't 'hey, let's tell you how awesome our new awesome marines are, buy more primaris space marines'.

Which Chaos Legion aside from the cult ones is easiest to paint?

>>54754113
You know what? This. I forgot to get mad that some nobody has that much pull out of fucking nowhere.
Corax and Fabius both started the shit in canon foooooorever ago.

>>54754087

eh, then why would they look exactly like primaris marines

>>54753715
still waiting for a 1.2 FAQ from FW.....hopinh the hammer doesnt drop and nerf them. I really enjoy the army.

poorfag though...using historical models for artillery pieces...and mantic models for troops. 3rd gen troopers for Mutant Rabble

>>54754151
They will have spikes and weathered paint jobs though Anon.

>>54754113
Who's to say his research while Chief Apothecary of the Emperor's Children wasn't integral to the design?

I dunno

>>54753993
Admech lore is awesome and so far their books have been ok to good. Shame the writers can't stop shitting uncontrollably over them in all the other books even tangentially related to the Imperium.

>Oh look a techpriest, time to make him bumbling and incompetent and refuse to do anything sensible because they're said to be ritualistic, and have him march his men through volcanoes/refuse to fire his Ordinatus.

Fucks sake, if they were as bad as Black Library makes them out to be the Imperium would have collapsed around M34. No other faction seems to get that kind of treatment aside from perhaps Sisters being called impetuous and overzealous.

>tenant complains that he sees a couple cockroaches in his unit
>investigate his unit
>it's fucking crawling with cockroaches and trash and garbage and it's disgusting as fuck
>on his living room table, which is the only clean thing in his apartment, is a beautifully painted tyranid army

Sometimes the people in our hobby confuse me.

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>>54754087
>call them Chaos Primaris
"Lol gw so unoriginal just copying chads lmao"

>call them something else
"Lol gw so unoriginal just copying chads lmao"

This trash bag of a community will complain no matter what, might as well take the option that involves marginally less work.

Is it possible to make a shooty CSM force? I'm kinda not really into the current fad of berserker spam rip and tear

>>54754151
Who said they would have to ? Them having a different type of Dark Mechanicus produced armour could actually be interesting and distinguish them more from their loyalist counterparts. And for the chads themselves looking similar ... well a bigger dude just is a bigger dude. Though maybe all having the same facial disfigurement (like all having a small bone structure above their nose or something) could work.

>>54754138
Black Legion if you are good at painting in the lines and do blue-black rather than grey-black.

Alpha Legion if you are shit at keeping things neat and don't mind mixing your own colours.

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What's everyone's favorite legion v loyalist engagement. In the lore what's been the best match up in your eyes?

>>54754199
>play Alpha Legion
>max out on Helbrutes and Obliterators

It's absolutely possible.

Is there any point to buying more than one DI death guard half other than poxwalkers at this point

>>54754190
People will always complain, yes ... but the number of people complaining can vary a lot.

>>54753804
Steel Legion here anon, I painted 100ish mutants for my Conscripts back in 6th, you can do it!

>>54754087
You mean Terata
>>54754151
They don't have to, and shouldn't
>>54754168
Wouldn't the chief apos of all the legions know about the primaris project?
Isn't that how they got the geneseed?
Is Fabius' work just a tangent of primaris?
What a twist

>>54754206
Best scheme for AL currently is paint silver, wash blue and green. Michael J Fox going through heroin withdrawal could paint it.

>>54754217
The iron cage is always my favourite no matter how many times geedubs changes it

>>54753804
Laughingtermagaunts.png

>>54754199
>current fad
>fad
Literally weeks in to 8th and a week before the dex is out

>>54754263
What is the current iteration of that?

>>54754138

Re-re-re-renegades: Classic Warhammer Fantasy Battle Color Scheme works: Black Base Coat, Metal Drybrush EVERYTHING. Other details at your own convenience.

>>54754230
Depends on what the new box looks like, it may have enough options to equip multiple squads. In that case a few cheap bolter duds woukd be useful.

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>>54754217
abaddon making corpse thrones out of his own terminators for a bunch of dead blood angels to sit on

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>>54754263
>>54754283

>>54754199
It's not a fad that's just how you delete Tyranids Anon! Specifically Gene stealer hoards.

>>54753886
Literally an ash vampire from Morrowind.

>>54753993
Gw probably wasn't planning on making those but can fags being the eternal whining fags they are GW just said fuck it and add it as a last minute change.

>>54754309
Ouch.

>>54754283
now it's a stalemate between the IW and IF that would have destroyed them both if it wasn't broken up by the Ultramarines instead of just the IW's wrecking the IF

>>54754217
Alpha Legion tainting the Raven Guard gene seed

>>54754217
thousand sons vs space yiffs

>>54754341
Good thing those ultramarines showed up! :^)

>>54754347
Wait what? How'd they manage that one?

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>tfw the Gellar Field goes down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLvBul5h7Vk

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Freshening up old CSM army for 8th. Likely going Black Legion because Abaddon and posterboys.

What's your fav Legion in the new codex now that all the info can be found in the review vids? What do you think about mixing different Legion specific detachments in the same army to get the most out specialized choices?

>>54754263
>no matter how many times geedubs changes it
There has a l w a y s been two versions of the story.

one from the IW side
one from the IF side

The point is they're both stubborn belligerents who think they were the ones with the upper hand. There's been no retcons or changes. At least not until black library moves onto the scouring.

>>54754392
After the drop site massacre raven guard tried to clone more astartes and Alpha Legion broke in stole a nontainted sample and tainted the rest with daemon blood

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>>54754113
>>54754150
>CSM fags getting mad because their faction had nothing to do with another faction directly
Now this is what I called entitlement

>>54754405
Source the oldest IF side of the story where they didn't get raped

>>54754185
Most of Imperial Guard stories paint their enginseers in a pretty good light. It's only when when you ascend to Magos that your brain gets uninstalled.

>>54754427
>I don't like interesting narrative and characters
I don't even play warhams because I live in the middle of nowhere but I enjoy the books and universe. I don't think this has anything to do with "CSM fags"

By the way you're the one who clearly comes off as entitled and insecure here

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>>54754399
faggot lords

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>When the Iron Cage is going just as planned and your enemy is dying by the hundreds and digging trenches with the corpses of their fallen.

>>54753423
I've been holding out for it. I want to see what Carcharodons will actually get.

>>54753790
Void Brother!

>>54754399
World Eaters, but rules wise is Alpha Legion. Having played Raven Guard it was pretty fun with the -1 to hit.

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Wow! So distinct and unique!

Coulda at least gave it a power axe and a heavy bolt pistol or something.

>>54754431
index astartes: imperial fists

The two articles (IA: IW and IA: IF) were released nearly side by side, written by the same group of people.

>>54754477

>Space marines
>Distinct

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>>54754405
>>54754431

There's the Imperial Fists' version

And there's the truth

>>54753573
Go read some lore about the Unification Wars.

So was the leaked Lasgun pic being steel legion a rumour, or just speculation amongst communities?

>>54754217
Battle of the fang
One of the best sm battles in my opinion, the only problem with both battles for the fang though as always is the according to keikaku part CSM fags always claim

>Oh shit better destroy this research and say it was my plan all along
>Return a second time
>LoL I'm immune system o your weapons
>Fuck ups in the investigation
>Gets stabbed in the dick and all plans on tainting or destroying Fenris fail
>Nuh-uh my plan was something else transporting the planet of sorcerers was my main plan all along I swear for me mum

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so THIS is the power of chaos

>>54754526
it's almost certainly for the new Necromunda shit

>>54753993

If it means CSM get an actual marine troop choice that isn't shit (cult troops not withstanding) then I'm so on board with this.

>>54754532
Woah, why did they slash the baleflamer in half

Im not complaining cause more Tzaangors but daaaamn

>>54753434
Fabius is the man

>>54754526
Speculation but all hints towards Imperial Guard, there's the lasgun, the grenade box and then the Skull-aquila video.

GW will probably announce the next codexes after Death Guard is released.

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I'm using BattleScribe to build a list for my brother on his new army set but I cannot find these units on the app. What do.

>>54754547
Because the heldrake is really worthless in attack power compared to other similar flyers at this point. The heldrake is a great harassment unit, but it's firepower is pretty awful now if we're being honest.

>>54754427
Also I said corax too you dunce.

How viable is a 60 hellblaster list

>>54754558
Use a text document, battlescribe is really terrible

>>54754576
If it works and it's stupid it ain't stupid, but if you spend 500 dollars on something stupid and it doesn't work, it's really stupid

>>54754399
Likely going alphas for tactics on firing line, and black legion for main advancing detachment. The characters from one won't be near the others anyway so I don't feel like I'll lose much aura

>>54754581
Problem is I am pretty damn new to the game as well but he needs a list with those units in like 2 hours. Halp.

>>54754576

Shite against horde armies.
Good against monster/vehicle spam, assuming you have Captains/Lieutenants supporting your guys.

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>>54754477
>To celebrate thirty years of Warhammer 40,000, here's a totally generic figure from our new range of totally generic dudes we invented last month.
>MFW Last Month was the high point for eighth edition and it's all downhill from here.

>Fallen get no neat tactics, stratagem or any new weapons/rules
I am sad, i like Fallen and was kinda hoping for some minor expansions to them, like Fallen Bikers or access to heresy era weapons.

>>54754597
I indeed had a hearty chuckle, anon.

>>54754185
In shroud of night they fuck up things for the defenders cause they refuse to disable the shit they were told to disable cause the CSMs would use it. They don't disable it and CSMs use it to wreck shit

>>54754558
I guess look at the chaos index in the mega.

>>54754087
Chaos Marines need new models desperately anyway. I wouldnt complain if they were as big as primaris

>>54754606

It's honestly easier to just use excel plus looking at the books

Battlescribe is just a pita

>>54754625
Biggest issue is the primaras marines.

>>54754477
That'll be $29.99 is tax

>>54754532
More proof that the "playtesters" didn't do shit
Thus GW releases all books early for real feedback

>>54754606
The primaris units are in Codex Space Marines and the Death Guard units are in Index Chaos, both are in the MEGA link in OP.

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>>54754645
More proof that 8th edition is the best edition ever made and is getting better by the day no matter how mad that makes you.

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>>54754399
Best Legion is now also best choice.

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>>54754532
They knew that they were going to change the points cost in the codexes before they released the indexes, right?

So they deliberately crippled index armies, not only with no access to chapter/legion tactics, free artefacts and outright superior warlord traits but also by setting the points cost for everything in them higher than the codex version for no reason other than to drive codex sales and fuck over any army which isn't popular enough to get a codex soon.
>come on, this is new games workshop

>>54754264

.. Termagants are surprisingly easy to do in batches, desu.

Chaos Land Raider worth it?

>>54754665

>Better than 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th

Yeah okay sure buddy.

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>mfw Ironlets still cling to the 'Iron Cage' even though it has been retconned into an equal battle
>the mighty perturabo with 40,000 years of prep time successfully sets of an ambush
>can only score a draw

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>>54754532
>Termie sorcerer still obnoxiously expensive

>>54754532
>Poxwalkers 1 points less to be worse than plaguebearers in every way except morale
Is mindless really that strong?

>>54754678
So all the bad armies get codexes first
Necrons/admech/tau/orks codices soon?

>>54754708
I think they'd be cheaper in the codex.

If Cultists are going down, so will they. I'd guess to 5 points from 6.

>>54754692
>Thinks 5e was good for anyone other than Tau.
Sure buddy.

>>54754703
I'm guessing it's because it's the only way to give them an invulnerable + good save

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>>54754612
they blew their load last time around

>>54753945

If you need anti-tank for Alpha Legion, you could always buy the bits for heresy era meltaguns and combi-meltas and spend a command point to sneak Havocs with those guns right next to your opponent's vehicle or monster turn 1.

>>54754692
Yes, because it actually has running support.

>>54754733

I hear grey Knights had a good time.

More seriously, yeah the codex balance was garbage in 5th, but it was one of the best interpretations of the core game.

>>54754725
Honestly lets say they were at 5, plaguebearers get +1S/T, rerolling to wound, better hit chance, a 5++ save and the potential -1 to hit. I just cant see poxwalkers being worth it.

>>54754613
Make your own dudes and don't play pre-existing chapters, anon. You're only borrowing GW's dudes and you'll be at the mercy of whatever GW's writers decide to do to them.

I like this chapter!
>GW writer: They were eaten by Tyranids.
Blood Angels 5th company looks cool!
>GW writer: They're all Death Company now.
These new Primaris™ would look neat in my Carcharadon colors!
>GW writer: They don't use 'em, el oh el.

>>54754162
Can't exactly nerf something that's already trash-tier.

So.. After ETC, did the hyper-competetive crowd finally realize that 40k sucks as a hyper-competetive game?

>>54754558
If anyone can make a list for the Primaris Marines in this pic it would be so great for me. My brother needs help and I know fuckall.

>>54754755

Pretty flat core system. It's probably the best pretence of balance, but that's frankly way less important. A half-decent meta will self police as long as we aren't at 7th levels of trainwreck imbalance.

>>54754766
Tell that to the Forgefiend

How will a dark reaper/wraithguard list do against chaos marines at 1500

>>54754703
Sorcerer is the most effective CSM HQ and Terminator Sorc is the hardest to kill Sorcerer.

>>54754618
Yes, precisely this kind of thing, in every book. In the Heresy the priests were clever men and women who fought like lions. Scoria outplayed an entire Astartes assault force, Land decided to play Big Damn Hero to Custodes in his Superheavy Repulsor, Decima ripped chunks out of the Traitors on Istvaan III for months before he stole a spaceship and broke out, the Lord of Paramar went toe to toe with the Alpha Legion and confounded them in the Panopticon and Draykavac went Pearl Harbour on an entire Auxilia fleet. In 40k we have Cawl, Kotov and... Felicia Tayber? I guess?

Where's the power? If this was the Marines or the Inquisition or the Tau being trashed in every book people would be pissed, but so far the strength of the Lords of Mars consists of one Archmagos who we get to see do stuff and a bunch of Kardashev 1 planets somehow conquered by cultists and ran by idiots who should be long weeded out. Konor is perhaps a decent reflection of what an invasion of a Forge World should be like, at least.

How many carnifexes is to many?

>>54754787
If they can get their raptors/warp talons/terminators/whatever up to tie you up you are in trouble, otherwise they will die horribly.

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>>54754558
Which units can't you find? Where are you looking for them? They are all in my version.

>>54754802
When you exceed the agreed upon points limit

>>54754794
You'll also get inquisitors blogging about distrusting you and like it

>>54754743

Which is annoying.

>>54754790

I'd argue that a jump pack sorcerer is far far more effective because it can Deepstrike still AND reposition itself for power usage. It's durability is a null point because it's a character.

>>54754794

Seriously, we don't even know who the fabricator general is, and he was probably the guy with the most real political power in the entire imperium before Gulliman returned!

>>54753810
I can't figure it out.

>>54754818
Soooo is 4 including OOE not too much?

>>54754823
You'll notice that Jump Sorc didn't get reduced either

>>54754786
Forgefiend =/= R&H

>>54754850
As in 5?

>>54754869
Yes

>>54754802
Any less than two+old one eye isnt going to do anything ever, but you also dont want to spend more than half your force on them. I ran four and OOE at 2k alongside a pile of genestealers and trygons and got some use, although mostly as bulletcatchers, but the only time when they've been star players was OOE and two screamers at 1k where they tore some death guard apart

>>54754811
Basically everything in my image for the space marines. I am using the mobile app.

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>>54754764
>You're only borrowing GW's dudes and you'll be at the mercy of whatever GW's writers decide to do to them.
You can say that again.

>>54754854

I'm not saying that it should have, but a Sorcerer is paying FIFTY points for terminator armor, whereas the termi lord is only paying 30, which still isn't worth using over a jump pack.

>>54754913
Too soon Anon.

>>54753993
>he didn't expect this from Fabulous Bile
Next you'll tell me you expect a Bloodthirster to put down his axe and seek anger management from Jack Nicholson.

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Even if they get a codex, I know inquisition won't be great. So, of the 3 chambers militant which would you anons say is the best right now for a general army?
I'm thinking Deathwatch but i don't know much of how the knights and sisters are right now.

>>54754924
>iunderstoodthatrefrence.cap

>>54754915
Make sure to mention that to GW on facebook, that seems to be where they collect shit to FAQ

point costs for death guard melee weapons? axe, mace, cleaver, flail?

>>54754900
Don't download the 'mobile format' version, it's missing alot of shit. Get the standard edition, it works just fine for mobile.

>>54754948
>using normiebook

>>54754950
Not sure yet

>>54753945
Where is that pic from?

>>54754925
Sisters are bad models and absurdly expensive, deathwatch have nice kits but are mediocre at best compared to codex marines, grey knights have good kits and a unique playstyle. Don't pick whats best though, pick the army you like

>>54754188
amazing

>>54754960
Really is zero excuse to not have an account in 2017

>>54754050
It will probably perform well but it just seems a little boring.

>>54754532
Finally Chaos costs the same as Muhreens. With the stratagems and powers I think that CSM is actually pretty close to SM in terms of strength.

Or at least as closer than it's been in an entire decade.

>>54754925
>chambers militant
fuck that, take guard

>>54754733
>Thinks 5e was good for anyone other than Tau.
>Sure buddy.

Considering Tau wasn't even relevant until mid 6th edition... You don't know what you're talking about.

Grey Knights Dreadknight Spam, Necrons Tesla Spam, MSU Blood Angels, Space Wolves (blech), Leafblower Guard, and Fatecrusher were the flavor of the day.

5th Edition was alright, the power creep was too much.

4th edition was a mixed bag. I enjoyed all the footslogging. Transports were a huge death trap and point sink. The assault rules were pretty crazy and fun, but the consolidating into another combat was almost too strong.

Never played 3rd heard it was super bland.

Wish I had gotten to play 2nd, heard some good war stories and read the rules. Looks like it would have been great.

>>54754692
They rule sets all had their merits but the power creep of the codices hurt 5th. 4th was all stabby, Lascannons could one shot vehicles.

>>54754984
>Big brother wants YOU!

>>54754766
I like them...I know they are not awesome, but I like the 50 man squad of dudes that is basically unbreakable. Also the Renegade Ogryn Brutes can be a pain to deal with, that power drill will dish out some punishment.

But mainly I like the artillery spamming, you can get one hell of an alpha if you get to go first...near unlimited range not needing line of sight.

>>54754955
I'm on android, sorry for being retarded, what do I do?

Anyone play Word Bearers?

How do you paint them? Tips?

>>54754769
>be bad at 40k
>decide this is because the game is bad, not me
lol

>>54755013
I've always assumed the US spies on its citizens
But I don't do anything interesting enough to actually care what they know.

>He's watching porn again, sir
>Heh, got him now.

>>54753573
Macabian Janissaries

>>54754802
Are you fielding a spearhead detachment with 6 regular carnifexes with TDSWSM+bioplasma and monstrous scything talons, 3 stone crushers with bio-flail, old one eye and a malanthrope?

If not then you have insufficient carnifexes.

>>54755026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuDSY61mKBs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjQS4houOb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPH6qFskBzw

>>54755031
Don't like the whole "This is cute let me check here tee hee."
> There that place they checked in send them an ad for socks. Then assassinate the guy next to him!

>>54755029
>Finds the most powerful unit in the codex
>Fills the list with them
>Thinks he is good

>>54755031
>I like to give data to a company to sell for billions and billions of dollars while they provide me with a really shitty service and delete my account if they don't like my opinion while allowing ISIS to recruit on their website because they are partially owned by Saudi Arabia
>it doesn't matter because I have nothing to hide though
Clearly not the point, retard

>>54755088
>>54755070
> IRL paranoia game.... GO!

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>>54754900

>>54755088
Dude, I die in 60 years and I'm going to rape this withered husk of a planet to enjoy them.

If that means future generations have to pick up the shit that was put in motion decades before I was a gleam in my mother's eye; so be it

Yes, I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth

>>54754925
>Using Grey Knights, Deathwatch or Sisters in an Inquisition army

WHAT ARE DOING YOU GAY

>>54755100
>>54755112
>making excuses for reasons to give your valuable data away for free to a company that hates you
Wow, so THIS is the power of being a cuckold

>>54755105
YOU ARE A HERO AND I LOVE YOU

>>54755100
What this guy >>54755088 is saying is true (outside the Saudia Arabia tinfoil bullshit)

But at the same time if you don't want them selling your information, don't put anything useful on it.

I have a bare-bones bookface account just for local gaming groups so we can schedule meet-ups and days to play.

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>>54754764
Enjoy your generic relics and lack of special characters.
At least as loyalist marines you still get to make successor chapters with chapter tactics. Don't expect to even have that option for orks, eldar, etc.

>>54755135
Right? FB lets me find out when local events are going on and meet up with folks to throw down with some minis

>>54755127
it's worth like a hundred fifty bucks based on market cap, which is all things considered not that much money

>>54755141
>Enjoy your generic relics
They're undisputedly the best
>and lack of special characters.
You don't actually field those, do you?
>Don't expect to even have that option for orks, eldar, etc.
I don't play NPCs.

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Anyone know where to find the Ork Mega-Dread rules? I don't see them in the regular or forgeworld index. I can only find the Meka-Dread.

>Playtesters hinting that Brimstones might get nerfed AGAIN in the future because they still might be too good
Daemon WAACfags on suicide watch lol

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>>54755077
>thinking spam works
>thinking in game decisions and tactics don't matter

>>54754925
>not making an army with Inquisitors from all the Ordos, units from DW, GK and SoB, Inquisitorial stormtroopers, and detachments from Red Hunters and Exorcists chapters

>>54754979
Deathwatch and scions it is then.

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>>54754396
shit

>>54755199
I'd consider those last 2 if they still had their chapter tactics

>>54755190
Oh shit, someone watch Quirk, don't wanna find him swinging from the rafters.

>>54754925
That's a sick conversion, Anon

>>54755199
>he thinks the Ordos actually work together
Lmao they hate each other more than the high lords hate Guilliman. You'd have more luck surving a slaaneshi gang rape than you would seeing the Ordos work together

>>54755193
Have you seen ETC lists?!! Its all spam

Stop being delusional

>>54755190

Blues and Becomes should never have been allowed to be taken solo in the first place. If you're not going to force splits, at least do something like this:
>you can't have more blues than pinks
>you cant have more brims than blues
Now at most, you get 7 pinks, 7 blues, and 6 brims without paying for splits.

>>54755229
Remember how the dark gods hate each other so much they got rules about it, yet you can take an army of units from all the gods?

There's only been four editions of 40k: 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 8th. 4-7 were just 3 point whatever.

First was a crazy, complex old game that was still in the era where people hadn't finished working out the difference between an RPG and a wargame. Second was a more coherent wargame, but had a shit ton to keep track of. If rogue trader was 40k's childhood, 2nd was the awkward adolescent stage.

3rd gutted a lot of unnecessary crap. It threw out some of the good, but overall was where the wargame stabilised into it's modern form. 4 and 5 were largely refinements, and sadly where 5th was starting to really iron out the kinks in the core system, the codex balance went even more to shit than it already was.

6th shook things up for the sake of shaking them up, and the results were largely for the worse. It started the excessive randomness trend, and bolted on a shit ton of gimmicky extra sub-systems the game wasn't actually designed to handle, like flyers and non-apocalpyse Superheavies. The rules team at this point were incompetent buffoons fucking everthing over, basically.

7th was mostly just 6th. The big differences were the inane psychic phase and codex balance hitting it's lowest low with free fucking bonuses everywhere. The brief little early window with codexes that just got an alternate force organisation charge was a bright spot, trading obsec for a faction specific bonus and changing around the slots a bit, but formations and especially de-fucking-curions just handed shit out like candy.

8th is a weird hybrid of 3rd, 2nd and AoS. The shit it brought back from 2nd is mostly positive and I applaud degrading units as a way to handle big shit stomping around, but it lost a lot of soul and character in the process.

>>54755229
Dude what, many inquisitors don't even consider themselves of one "ordo". Inquisitors don't work together, but its not because of some inter-ordo rivalry they are all arrogant idiots who think they know best, which makes sense considering its their job to know best.

>>54755211
Exorcists tactics were "use one of the codex tactics" and Red Hunters just had Admantium Will and the ability to give some special rules to a few units during the game (number equal to the turns played when the rules was activated).

>>54755252
They only work together after Abaddon hatefucks them into subservience, once in a blue EoT.

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>>54755252
No, I don't read chaos books. Are you confessing that you have?

>>54755026

No expert on painting them, but I will share what I do.

I spray brown primer, then put dark red with light red layered over it. Drybrush orange highlights on fingers/faces/edges of elbow and knee armor to draw attention in a glowing manner.

Secondary color on armor should be bright silver, save gunmetal for weapons or basecoat under the silver. Shoulderpads are be red or black with silver trims. I tend to avoid brass-like colors when possible since red+brass is the generic khorne color scheme.

Get an extreme fine detail brush and freehand tiny white tally marks or scribbles and eightfold stars on the black shoulderpads and darkest crimson parts of the armor. Do this on every model in your army, it will look like heretical texts copied onto the armor when complete.

You will want to learn to paint glow, since some Word Bearers use torches adorning their armor and vehicles. You will also want to choose a color scheme for mutation and possession because your legion has lots of it.

Don't try to freehand the Daemonhead or the more difficult warband symbols(such as Osseus Throne), just use decals.

>>54755288
Post pics

>>54755277
And all over their own fluff, where you have Tzeentch daemons leading Khorne daemons and shit like that. And nothing in the rules stops you from having an army of all the gods.

>>54755258
Subscribed to your blog

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Hey /40kg/, I'm scratchbuilding a Sgt. Harker for my Vostroyans using the parts in pic related.
Does anyone know any leg parts that have a tunic to replace the Catachan legs in the pic?
The Cadian tunic is too short to look Vostroyan.

>>54754764
Wait primaries can't do other founding chapters

>>54755237
I don't know what I can do to convince you you're just being a salty loser other than telling you to actually look at the lists you're wrong about.
>inb4 180 conscripts
and a bunch of other shit, don't be daft.

>>54755288
Do you have any examples of these squiggles? I'd like to do the same with my space marines and would appreciate a reference.

>>54754550
>Failing to make super marines for 10k years while Cawl has been shitting them out in his basement
>the man

Does BLAME! fit at all into the 40k universe? Was thinking Necromunda, but not enough people for a hive city setting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyRVLAc-rjc

>>54755304
Cadian command squad has legs with a long coat on them, if that helps.

>>54755304
Might try the longcoat torso from the Empire Free Company box instead of looking for legs.

>>54755308
They can. Does anyone else remember the Emperor's Children successor made up of only Primaris that that guy posted a while back? Phonecians Reborn I think?

>>54755317
He made perfect copies of all the primarchs. INCLUDING the two lost ones.

Try harder, Cawl.

>>54754764
>caring about GW's changes

The way I'm doing my 30k legions basically ignores a whole bunch of changes. I'm modelling them based on old art and designs, I'm basing their paintjobs on old art, etc. I don't have to buy FW models and paint them like FW does. Or how FW says models they've yet to make are suppose to look.

>>54755340
>perfect
>Horus clone
>perfect

No they weren't.

>>54755334
Cool that made me worried thought I was going to have to repaint mine

>>54755340
>perfect copies of the two lost one

So perfect that there's no record of them.

>>54755329
>>54755325

Cadian command legs look great, cheers lads.

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>>54755363
Crazy.

>>54755193
Is this what WAAC tourney fags tell themselves as they cry themselves to sleep every night?

>>54755363

It's almost as if nobody else does this because it looks like shit.

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>>54755297

not a professional photo by any means but these are the bikes

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Any tips to paint Alpha Legion?

I've seen this one linked a lot but I don't own an airbrush.

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>>54755363
>my 30k legions
>I don't have to buy FW models

Are you just fielding the Calth and Prospero boxes or what?

>>54755436
That's without an airbrush you utter idiot

>>54755436

You don't need an airbrush for that method tho?

>>54755454
>>54755442
Proof?

>>54755112
>Yes, I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth
Sounds like something else stays down your throat nowadays.

>>54755460
You dense mother fucker.

People asked him in /WIP/ how he did his AL because he said he didn't own an AB

Dear fucking christ, end yourself

>>54755460

Look at the fucking puddles on the bases you fucking stupid piece of shit holy fucking shit I'm not even those other two niggers and you've just pissed me the fuck off

Primaris Relictors when?

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>>54755313

close up on the Coriphaus of the Host(axe of blind rage + combiflamer)

if you have a steady enough hand to do actual letters I would advise doing that instead of course

>>54755436
>>54755460

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>>54755469
>>54755465
Baited

>>54755504
>damage control: the post

what a sad sack of shit, I will pray for your suffering.

>>54755504

>"I was only pretending to ask for a tutorial to paint AL!"

>>54755526
>>54755512
Das rite.

Haven't you heard? Saying that simple painting techniques need airbrush is the latest bait.

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>>54755175
some git nicked em

(you cant find em cause they didnt bother to make em. due to pressure they promised to make em tho. when? lmao its FW)

>>54755141
you just paint special characters in your dudes colors.

Just don't play logan and dante in the same battle.

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Can't say Master of Mankind is really enticing me. Love IF a lot, should I just drop it and read Praetorian of Dorn?

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>Make a nice Weeping Legion fellow planned to go with that scheme for my Death Guard..
>Now considering going for canon Death Guard colors to keep coherent with the main legion.

God damn indecisiveness. Should I just stick with the weeping fellas or go with the normal colors?

>>54755258
As a newer player, this is actually interesting history.

>>54755586

Weeping Legion is a canon color scheme, isn't it the pre-heresy scheme with blood and pus bleeding from cracks in the armor?

Hey everyone, just wanted a few opinions on a CSM list I'm cooking up while waiting for stuff to come in the mail (Burning of Prospero woo)

Basically, I love the concept of Autocannons in fluff, so was going to turn some of my dudes into a 5 man Havoc Squad using 4 Autocannons, they obviously aren't amazing at taking down vehicles or anything, but I was wondering if they're just a complete pile of "not worth it at all" or not

I'm also considering taking a Chosen squad that's just outfitted with Chainswords and sticking them in a Rhino and hopefully getting them to tie up some baseline infantry on objectives or something similar, should I avoid making them chosen and just use regular marines (Don't want to use berzerkers because Night Lords and the +1 attack from Chosen were intriguing)

Also, do the FW Chainglaives have rules? or do I just point at them and say "those're chainswords just to be clear" and just have them because I like 'em?

>>54755590
Shutup Greg! I've had it to here with you!

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I'm looking at picking up a Tantalus for my DE. Has anyone used or played against one? What's a good unit to put in it?

>>54754925
Deathwatch special issue ammunition is fucking dank as fuck

>>54755609
...Dude

SM would murder for their Devastators to be able to take Autocannons

>>54755609
If you want to go melee squad in a rhino, use possessed marines now, they are 2 wounds each now. If you want to use chosen, give them some special weapons and some chainswords.

You can give a pack of chosen 6 melta or plasma guns between them and then have 4 more chosen with chainswords for a total of 6 melta or 12 plasma shots, then charge in and get 25 attacks if you have 10 chosen total, 4 of which have chain swords

>>54755002
>Never played 3rd heard it was super bland.
???

>>54755631
why?

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>>54753573
>WAAAAGH-
>UH, ALAAAAAAGH

>>54755644
Because they fuck up light vehicles and mulch infantry

I've been looking at starting a Tau army, mostly because I like all the little drones. Would it be at all possible/viable to make a list with as many drones as possible and minimal dudes controlling them, or would that be stupid?

>>54754217
The dropsite massacre for me. I always loved the image of fulgrim and ferrus duking it out while their legions are fighting around them

>>54755609

Man-packed Autocannons deal 2 damage, they aren't as amazing vs vehicles as Predator Autocannons but they still can hurt them. Also 2 damage means it can chew through terminator armor/bikes/primaris better than small arms fire.

Thanks guys

>>54755631
That's a glowing endorsement, operation "autohavoc" is a go, does that also mean that continuing my autocannon fetish onto my tart. termies isn't such a bad idea either?

>>54755636
I heard possessed got a buff with 2W now, but was looking at using as much of Burning of Prospero as I could, and I'm likely to get some possessed at a later date anyway, so I'll keep that in mind

As for sticking a bunch of meltas and plasma guns into a single squad, is it worth splitting it into 3 melta and 3 plasma as a way to deal with not knowing what lists I'd be playing in store (I also didn't think of splitting them up like that because having half ranged half melee specialists -felt- like a bad idea, but I guess you're right it's not a huge deal)

>>54755636

>possessed are 2 wounds now

Sauce? I only saw an offhand comment on the official community word bearers preview, is there a screenshot confirming?

>>54755669
I was planning on just running some crazy jet-pack chaos lord that I'll eventually stick with Warp Talons or Raptors or something and use him to at least annoy the hell out of bigger vehicles, the fucking over squads of battlesuits and nobs is kinda what I was hoping for, as I just like the look of the FW autocannons more than the 30k or 40k heavy bolters

>>54755671
termis do better with combi weapons and then smashing face.

The autocannon is for sitting still and blasting away

>>54755679
I only heard it in a review of the new codex, so hopefully based anon could help out with more photos

>>54755648
I just bought an IG HWS box. They should all be AC then? My opponents play infantry heavy space marine armies.

>>54755671
Sure, if you want. Honestly I might even consider 2 melta 3 plasma these days, I feel like plasma is great because of the extra shots and the option to overcharge if you have a guy who lets you reroll 1s nearby and melta is good but will come up less frequently. You could also do a heavy weapon instead of one of the plasmas or meltas, or even mix and match further with a couple flamers or something.

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>>54755626
I've heard FW resin is particularly fuck awful on that one. Only time I've seen it played was 7th batreps that it was driven into the middle of the field to be one shotted(thanks MWG) All that said I love the model and lore for it and you should definitely get a DE pimp cruiser deluxe and share your experiences with it here.

>>54755694

I hope it's true, it's been dumb how they were 2 wounds each in 30k and only 1 wound in 40k while still costing like 30 pts each

>>54755679
GW Emperor's Children Legion Focus officially confirms 2 wounds same price for Possessed, it's on the warhammer community page.

>>54755415
not an argument.

>>54755695
Autocannons are a safe choice for guard because of your 4+ to hit.

I don't play them, but a friend insists on missile launchers. I can't argue with the results when 10+ rockets shoot downfield and cripple tanks

>>54755691
Seeing as I'm splitting up a burning of prospero box to get a bunch of nicer models for my regular marines, the termi's are kind of a bonus, they sadly don't come with combi weapons, think it'll be okay if I just convert their combi bolters with some left over plasma guns I have in my bits box as I have no combi-plasma rolling around

>>54755631
Is there any fluff on why we can't take autocannons? IG have them, they were used by HWS squads before the codex, and CSM havocs obviously use them. With some of the stuff CSM can't take, like grav or storm sheilds, the fluff is that they were developed post-heresy, but that obviously doesn't apply to devs and autocannons.
Did bobby G just decide he didn't like them when writing the codex or what?

>>54755720
>I don't play them, but a friend insists on missile launchers
He's right, missile launchers are fucking amazing.

>>54755728
Autocannons are pre-heresy

Assault cannons are post-heresy

I suspect you might be getting them confused (Or I have no clue what I'm talking about)

>>54755695
Super protip. Buy 3 more bases and only have one gunner per weapon. Doubles your value!

>>54755631

>SM would murder for AC

Are you fucking retarded? Auto Cannons are trash.

>>54755716
Telling you that your a butt blasted waac fag human stain ain't either! :)

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Is it just me or is the Custodes Venerable Land Raider a bit overpowered? It's the exact same thing as a Space Marine Land Raider (Godhammer Pattern) except that for a whopping eight points it goes up to BS2+ and gets a 5++ invulnerable save. The one tradeoff? It can't take a multimelta. Big whoop.

Like, sure, all you can put it in are Custodes, but it's not like they're bad. The only real trick is fitting them into your list without losing army bonuses by making your whole army a generic Imperium keyword detachment (which isn't all that hard, just take a patrol detachment with a company commander or primaris psyker as the HQ).

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>>54755721
Rough job, but it works

>>54755728
I guess they got replaced with assault cannons, which are harder to produce but better, so they're relegated to only terminator squads?

>>54755653
As it happens, drones are very solid this edition. In particular, Gun Drones are very points-efficient for S5 AP0 shots, at 4 such shots per 8pt model. They have a few downsides, though:
1. Low morale. Taking them in large groups can be hazardous.
2. Smite-targeting. The whole thing where they can only target the nearest unit. This means that they're fine for mowing down basic troops and contesting objectives, but are poor at target-prioritization, necessitating some form of support.
3. Reliance on Drone Controller. You really want a nearby suit with the Drone Controller support system to get the most bang for your buck. I'd recommend using a suit where such systems are not competing with weapon options (IE don't use a Commander for this). Riptide is probably the tankiest option, but not great firepower for its cost. Missile-hands Broadside might work, as its volume of fire plays well with the anti-infantry nature of Gun Drones while also being decent against light vehicles/monsters.

Markerlight drones are a bit pricier than Pathfinders, need DC support, and lack a backup weapon, so they're a bit less popular. They still have the advantage of durability and mobility, however.

Shield drones come in and out of usefulness with FAQs. As of the latest FAQ, drones don't get to apply their save when using Saviour Protocols, so the Invuln on the Shield Drone is pretty situational. On the flipside, the latest FAQ gave Shield Drones a 5+ Feel No Pain which it DOES get on SP, which is quite potent. The loss of the gun compared to the Gun Drone hurts, so this is really the option for protecting squishier, high-profile targets.

Sniper Drones are very important this edition, as they are T'au's only source of sniping. As with Gun Drones, they need DC support, but they also need a Firesight Marksman. These are both costly, so they're most efficient when you take them in larger groups. While inefficient by themselves, they're solid when used correctly.

>>54755753
Okay, buddy. Now, go be mad at Daddy for replacing you with your taller brother

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Ultramarines or Raven Guard?

>>54755746

Pre-heresy all legions used Kalibrax/Reaper/etc. one-man autocannons. Post-heresy only chaos have them, except the few reapers that go with leftover loyalist tartaros armor.

Assault cannons are vehicle miniguns, Imperial Fists had the prototype on terminators pre-heresy and they became widespread among loyalists. Standard power armor marks can't carry them efficiently, unlike kalibrax autocannons.

>>54755746
>Autocannons are pre-heresy
>Assault cannons are post-heresy
I know, which is why we can take them on tactical termie squads but CSM can't. Though techincally they were invented during the heresy, which is why IF and Bangles had access to the proto-types

I'm asking why fluff-wise SM devs can't take autocannons

>>54755322
looks interesting. what's the premise for it?

>>54755771

That's not a response to Autocannons being fucking awful. They are mechanically inferior to nearly every other option you can select. You have a stupid opinion.

>>54755777
Raven guard or Death Guard in honor of those sweet sweet digits.

>>54755762
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As far as Forgeworld goes, sadly the Remora Stealth-Fighter Drone is pretty mediocre this edition. However, the Technical drone is fantastic at supporting bigger suits, such as whatever you might be using to dispense Drone Controller.