Epic General - 40k and 30k

Link to the previous thread
>>54702074

Epic is pretty great. It is a shame playerbase is essentially dried up.

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>>54733530
Link to the epic starter guide, good source for models and rules

>>54736874
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qbdKBovf9wLb8g_Vka2ntlTzvkFZ1_9VFqLvfAoCda8/mobilebasic

I knew I'd forgotten something

>>54736783
I do feel like the player base would be much lager if the miniature were easy to obtain.

As it stands it is easier to get illegal drugs.

>>54736961
Depends on what you're wanting to play, but the starter guide has some decent sources on minis.

I personally think Vanguard miniatures is the most reasonably priced

>>54737043
>I personally think Vanguard miniatures is the most reasonably priced

This, and they are some of the best not!40k models out there

>>54733530
Looking at that picture makes me realise just how easy it would be to use historicals as Imperial guard.

>>54736961
To get a scene going at least one local player has to bite the bullet and collect two forces and demo them.

>t. someone who got people into playing FFOT in my area

>>54736874
except that if I'm going to get into it then I want to get GW (styled) stuff, not close approximations of the GW stuff I want.

>>54737649
They kinda work, but they're also the easiest faction for 3rd party minimakers to design without infringing (unless they're Trolls Under the Bridge in which case they don't seem to care).

Historicals tend to be a little spindly for 40k, and real-life tanks are just too low to look right. Exodus Wars had "heroic scale" tanks closer to modern ones in design, and I don't think they fit very well in the 40k universe.

>>54740978
eBay's not as bad as it used to be. But the goal is to keep making threads until resinbro comes back and isn't too drunk next time.

>>54740997
You could probably modify some WW1 tanks to fit the Imperial aesthetic, since thats what they are inspired by anyway.

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>>54740978
Do you mean like the old epic models?

Cause most of these new models look quite a bit better than the originals thanks to improvements in technology.

I remember these. I love Epic just because I really like the dinky minis.

Does anyone else remember the WD articles where they turned a bunch of Epic minis into a "Travel" version of Warhammer 40K for play on trains and planes? I think they were using tiny slices of magnetic strip on the bases and a steel plate battlefield.

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>>54740997
>Historicals tend to be a little spindly for 40k, and real-life tanks are just too low to look right.

I once bought some GHQ M110 A2 self propelled guns to use as Basilisk proxies.

Interestingly enough, the M110s are pretty much the same length as the old MKII GW Basilisk, but the Basilisk's proportions are... well... cartoony.

>>54733530
>>54736874
where do these models come from?

>>54741193
Sounds awfully similar to something an anon over in /awg/ tried to do with Kings of War.

I think he was using 10mm figures though.

Good idea though, been tempted to try something similar myself.

>>54741310
I recall it worked pretty well because the old Epic models had tiny sub-bases on them (meant to fit into the squad bases) that were pretty close in proportion to the standard 40K slottabases.

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>>54741261
I wish I knew anon, the second one is apparently the work of a rather hard to pin down recaster, if this thread stays up long enough you might get better answers.

>>54741194
>Using GHQ miniatures for epic.

This is one case where I'd say the miniatures are actually far too high quality for the source material, although it would probably look good if used consistently.

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>>54742906
ghq miniatures are also smaller scale

>>54743165
Man, those are some really nice Epic tanks.

Source on this pic or miniatures?

>>54733530
What scale is Epic? 15mm? 10mm? 6mm? 3mm?

>>54743551
6mm, although much like warhammer, its "heroic" 6mm.

So closer to 8mm.

>>54743493
I dont know where the warhammer'esque models are from sorry
But trollsunderthebridge cz makes leman russes, also check out vanguard minatures

>>54741137
No I meant forumware stuff that actually looks like tiny warhammer models

>>54741084

WW1, 2, Cold War, 15mm Tanks for Superheavies it's all good.

>>54743576
Heroic just means the weapons, heads, and hands are exaggerated; the models themselves are 6mm in scale and would look small next to 8mm models.

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no one mentioning the Titan game under development?

I am interested in buying 2 small forces of epic. I really like those space marine tanks. I have a bunch of grogs from the wargaming club who have tons upon tons of epic figures. One guy has a bunch of those castle tower Titans (emperor class?) so I am sure I can get a game in if I hype them up enough.

any recasters out there who can help me out? I am thinking a sm versus eldar would be fun, but classic CSM is also nice and would go along my BFG fleets. my email: [email protected]

>>54746620

>Horus Heresy
>Imperial Only

Pass

>>54746620
AT is strictly only going to be Titans and Knights. Plus the rules will be completely different than NetEpic: Armageddon or NetEpic. I'm reserving any major hype until FW starts previewing rules other than running the occasional 28mm game at Warhammer Events.

Granted, I play Epic30k in the meantime so not like I mind waiting.

>>54736783
I've been able to get 4-5 guys interested in Epic30k in my area, but it's only because I have access to the forumware caster.

DESU it wasn't really hard to get his contact info. However, due to cunts leaking his info, he's definitely had to cull his contacts list. So good luck trying to get his info now. He doesn't accept random referrals off the internet anymore, so unless you know someone personally who is willing to vouch for you, you're not going to be able to contact him.

The best companies for alternative Epic minis are:

Onslaught Miniatures: http://www.onslaughtmini.com/

Vanguard Miniatures: vanguardminiatures.co.uk

Trolls Under The Bridge: https://www.ebay.com/itm/112493954123

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What's a good price for a Capitolis Imperialis and Hellbore, both originals not recasts, complete, intact, only undercoated?

>>54746620
If and when they do EPIC again I will be interested, but I don't really care about Titan-only fights.

>>54748539
Specialist Design Studio has already said they're not interested in doing an Epic-like game. They might do a standalone games like a tank only Tallarn game but they'll never do a comprehensive Epic game.

Which is fine with me, NE:A is a perfectly fine rules system.

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Here are some of my Iron Hands for Epic30k painted up. Working on 4 different armies for my group to use to get them onboard: Iron Hands, Mechanicum, Titan Legions, Imperial Militia.

>>54748584
>Specialist Design Studio has already said they're not interested in doing an Epic-like game

I expected as much, hence the If. Titans only is something that won't require much in the way of resources yet they could get years of expansions out of it simply releasing extra titans.

And GW does love it's big models in recent years given how profitable they are, so from a business standpoint it makes too much sense to not bother with trying to make and sell whole armies.

>>54748752
where dd you get the mins?

>>54748844
Private caster. He doesn't accept random referrals anymore.

>>54748584
They've still futureproofed it though, as seen by the fact 8mm was justified as the smallest scale they could still see power armor marks at. Based on how they treated Blood Bowl, I expect them to add onto the game precisely as much as profits allow and not one kit more. I do agree with both you and them that it won't reach the scope in models and playerbase that Epic had.

>>54748752
Excellent stuff mate.

Here's a great article on how to utilize the Engage order:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxSZSQo311ksaDJEb2dIUXcwQnc

>>54749314
Thanks! Almost done painting my 4000 points Iron Hands Legion force. Just need to finish up another unit of Gorgon Terminators and some Xiphons and it's on two my Mechanicum.

>>54749755
It does not get more detailed than this.

It took me a number of games to get that engagements were the key.

Any new or even existing players should read this.

There's always Shapeways if you can handle the expense.

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How do I get some friends into the game anons? They all showed interest at the 30k Forumware stuff, but it seems like that is getting harder and harder to find. Should I get a couple small demo armies from Vanguard miniatures(Like orks + guard) and go on from there?

Pic related what I am always on the search for but will never find

>>54751591
Build two armies for yourself, Vanguard probably make the best looking stuff next to the superior Forumware, and demo the game for them. If they're not willing to deal with the playtest status of the HH supplement, then go with regular Epic 40k armies.

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Current WIPs.

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>>54751674
Will do anon. Also is the best way to get a recasters email to post on tactical command a lot? Seems like people keep giving out that advice.

Pic related: what I am tempted to make my guard infantry

>>54751591
Yeah, without forumware your best bets are Imperial Guard and Orks. Vanguard's not-marines are pretty complete, but I get that not everyone likes the look. Then you've got partial model availability for Necrons (Trolls Under the Bridge - these are blatant ripoffs), Tau, Dark Eldar, Tyranids/Genestealer Cult, Sisters of Battle (Onslaught), Eldar, and Adeptus Mechanicus (Vanguard).

Shapeways does cover a lot of official GW designs, and a few metal recasts occasionally appear on eBay.

Vanguard's starting to do Chaos marines and guard. I think there should be fewer objections to using their corrupted marines as CSM because the aesthetic's always been a little more freeform. For the same reason, using Onslaught's corrupted sisters for an Emperor's Children army works reasonably well despite the boobies.

>>54751759
Yeah, start a thread in the 6mm forum and post pics. They'll know you're actually into the game.

>>54751759
Well I would've suggest that a few months ago, but some cunt ratted out the primary caster so he's not taking any referrals anymore. There is one US-based recaster that might still be taking referrals, but haven't heard from him a while.

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>>54751792
>>54751807
It really does seem like the recasters are drying up, wish even just a year ago I had started searching, it almost sounds like i'm too late to the party.

>>54751769
Thank you anon

Seriously would this be too much or could the rats work okay?

>>54751900
I'm sure no one would bat an eye if you used rats. Hell, I've seen people use Hordes' Legion of Everblight models as Tyranid Bio Titans.

>>54751900
The rats idea is awesome.

We're used to proxying anyway...

>>54751759
I've got those rats for a death korps army, they really are amazing sculpts. I used the non-armoured ones for regular grunts, and the PA ones for grenadiers. ALso use the PA ones as counts-as scouts for my Iron Warriors army I run using loyalist rules

>>54752511
Mind posting pics of yours kind anon?

How about tabletop sim? Are there any 6mm models on Steam to use?

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>>54752558
There are tons of models for 40k stuff, which you can just shrink down. Also there is this one, which is specifically for epic.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=590767760&searchtext=

>>54752532
not painted yet (I got a sinful backlog). They look pretty much like the pictures on the store. Cast quality was a notch above most of these companies though (with everything I've gotten from them)

>>54752633
Good to know anon, I just wanted to make sure they look nice in big swarms.

I wish Epic was more accessible. I have some Baran Siegemasters infantry, Thunderbolts and/or Marauders, Medusas, and Basilisks but that's about it. Nobody hooks you up with recasters like in 40k and HH and the ebay stuff is crazy expensive.

>>54753158
>Nobody hooks you up with recasters like in 40k and HH

Those casters are generally chinese and can be more open an belligerent with their offerings, that is not the case with the epic casters.

>>54753158
Idc if its just titans and knights, i just want titanicus out now

>>54753158
Look at Vanguards stuff, their vehicles are great unless you're a GW purist.

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>>54753158
Honestly, Vanguard is worth checking out

They seem like the best option if you want a consistent source of miniatures.

>>54753183
Yeah. Eastern Europe must be a safe haven too - there are a few Russian vendors on eBay selling a small selection of forumware minis, and Trolls Under the Bridge (Central European but still former Eastern Bloc) is just resizing 28mm GW/FW models.

>>54748752

I don't even care about trying to get the recasters info, just sell me your stuff at a 15% markup

>>54753664
God bless those crazy slavs, although they've had to stop listing some of their vehicles apparently.

>>54756224
You can still get them off their ebay store.

>>54755181
this desu.

Back in the day I got suckered into Dystopian Wars and the only good thing that came out of that debacle was the Armored Clash ruleset. Unfortunately that's even more obscure/dead than the rest of the Spartan dreck but every time I see the army pictures of the 30k epic with the amazing tanks and the infantry all arrayed on their cute little bases I feel that itch again, only to remind myself that the forumware scene is harder than heck to get invited to and that I'll never be able to get those cute little tanks. The Death Korps and Iron Fists at the top of this thread are particularly itch causing.
Damn this cruel world.

>>54758085
Check out the non forumware links mentioned in this thread like Vanguard or Trolls under the bridge.

They may have some stuff that interests you.

>>54758085

>death korps

infantry is the easy part, if you can get some imperial guard tanks and/or a titan you should be set.

>>54758085
https://www.ebay.com/itm/112493954123

Trolls.cz has all the infantry you'll need

Vanguard sells Deathriders and infantry

>>54758155
>>54758194
>>54758361
with trolls having the tanks as well that's pretty tempting.
Unfortunately the vanguard not-30k tanks don't do as much for me as the 'legit' ones but wait and see, maybe they'll grow on me
Thanks!

Damn, how many leman russes are usual for a 3000 point list?

>>54758573

Which list are you planning on using?

>>54758573
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdY3lobDH7I&ab_channel=henafoo

This is 3000 points, check out the guard list if you want an idea.

>>54758629

now that I know I can get leman russes for about $5 a pop, I'm considering my options

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Just some silly test fitting from a while back.

>>54760186
Now, you've got to put the turrets on the plane.

Only then will you become a true ork mek.

>>54760186
I'm glad the original caster does his stuff in metal. I'd be too worried about resin snapping, especially on those thin barrels.

>>54762091
I also have the various vehicles in resin and they are not at all fragile, I also worried about the barrels but that has not been an issue.

I think the resin being used is better than forgeworld.

>>54760186
What flyer is that?

Is it unreasonable to not want to play against people using third party armies? Proxying feels disrespectful to me.

It isn't difficult to get recaster info if you're committed, and if you won't make the effort why should I play you?

The forumware people haven't "dried up", you just aren't making the grade for referrals.

>>54764563
looks like an AI bommer

>>54764619

You sound like a cunt desu.

>>54764619
Yeah it's unreasonable

>>54764619
No it is not unreasonable and you are right about the forumware.

>>54764619
I have forumware and I think you're one of the reasons why some people get upset enough at the whole secret club thing to want to report everybody to GW.

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>>54760186

Okay seriously sell me your stuff

>>54764619
Yeah, it's unreasonable, and you're a dick. You're discriminating against people who are buying in-production models for an unsupported game.

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>>54764619
When the originals aren't for sale and there are 3rd party minis designed to the same general aesthetic, yes, it's unreasonable. This is also a game that sold best in its earlier iterations, so there are more crappy early-'90s models than the more detailed late-'90s versions.

I'm personally not a fan of using models like these as Leman Russes (they're from Exodus Wars) because they don't look remotely similar. But it was common when there weren't other options. That's just the way it was.

I have been absolutely desperate to get in contact with the recaster who does the Horus Heresy crap and Forgeworld stuff. I.E. the miniatures featured in the first few pictures in this thread.

I really want to do an Epic army, but the old models look like trash. I've had good dealings with based chinaman in the past, if that counts for anything. If someone replies to this and needs my email that'd be dope

Ignore the cunt above trying to be an elitist. It's going to be tough getting forumware stuff from the original caster because he had to cull his client list after some FW fanboi ratted him out.

Give it a few months and he might be inclined to take new customers. In the meantime, pick an army that can use decent proxies if you're against playing with non-GW looking models. I.e. IG/Imperial Militia armies using Trolls.cz or Vanguards infantry. The Skinnerz line from Vanguard works excellently for Orks too.

The models are nice, but aren't necessary to learn the game and to get friends interested.

>>54764619
I have 4 forumware armies and if I ever met a cunt like you I wouldn't play you in a heartbeat.

>>54764619
Depends on the models. For example I would have no problem with stuff like >>54753445
these, but playing against proxies doesn't even resemble what they are supposed to be is annoying and lame.

>>54765468
>some people get upset enough at the whole secret club thing to want to report everybody to GW.

Those people are way worse.

Don't expect FW to ever produce a successor to Epic, they already said they're not interested. It's up to the community to keep this game running.

Anyone here from Aus? They probably have the strongest Epic community in the world. If you're interested in NetEpic:Armageddon/Epic30k you should find a group near you and make some friends.

How can I get in touch with Forumware army producers? I'm at my wit's end

>>54767166
Clearly something has to be done.

Perhaps bitcoin is the answer?

Having said that who would want to deal with totally anonymous transactions?

No one.

It is a rock and a hard place kind of situation.

>>54767166
If you've been following the thread the answer is either wait a while because the main caster of Epic30k isn't taking new referrals or register on the TacCom forums and see if a kind person will take pity on you.

Otherwise, buy from one of the companies making 6mm proxies.

>>54767166
I guarantee you no one is going to just give you contact information.

Does anyone here actually play Epic40k/30k or are lurkers just hoping for a recaster to come by?

>>54753158
my kreigers are entirely novus tulcum or whatever from trouble maker and now those guys are in vanguard so yeah.
as >>54753445 says check out vanguard.
just a thing on the churchillians and the other things on the same chasis, they are not leman russ/chimera scaled.
only the plastic apc sprue works for chimeras with their size.

>>54767895
Got any pics? I'm trying to decide between Vanguard or Trolls.cz for my infantry

>>54764619
>Is it unreasonable to not want to play against people using third party armies?
yes.
>It isn't difficult to get recaster info if you're committed, and if you won't make the effort why should I play you?
I'm glad you feel it is a privilege to play with you. It's nice to see a man with more self esteem than good sense and reason.
>you just aren't making the grade for referrals.
I never tried to get in with the forumware people
I've own a mix of epic stuff for years and I've tailored this army to my sensibilities over said years.
And as along as it's as WYSIWYG as possible what's the issue.

>>54765814
They're cute but I've never found much of a use fo the exodus wars stuff.
aren't they out of scale a bit too or am i thinking of something else

>>54768026
sorry boss.
even if i didn't want people to know how shit i am at painting they're packed up while i unpack right now and i don't want to keep you waiting.
also it appears the sculpt changed since i bought it because:
http://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/shop/novan-winter-infantry/
comes with a Heavy weapon. i had to use the support autocannons before (then again it was 200 for 14 quid back then so there)
also see
http://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/shop/novan-winter-royal-marines/
and
http://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/shop/novan-winter-specialists/
the paint doesn't do it much favours and the models but i think they're pretty solid, I'm getting in a new order some time in the near future and i'll post some picts then but that could be a month

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Getting around to taking some shitty photos of my Iron Hands today. First up, a Tactical Detachment with Heavy Support and Rhino transports.

>>54768026
Trolls greatcoat infantry are better quality but a little pricier. The trolls special and heavy weapons look more like the GW ones. I like the Trolls command a little better too but its closer there. The vanguard infantry I got had major issues with leg snappage.

>>54768161
>>54768584
Oh shoot scratch that last part looks like they redid them

>>54768492
Love the red bolters

>>54768616
Thanks, was going to do them white at first, but thought red would be a better accent color.

this is spammy/not actually on-topic, but, is there like a forumware community for BFG?

I know the french have some cool stuff that's up on shapeways and the Chinese on Aliexpress have some stuff, but, no new minis/new sculpts.

I've already gotten the new stuff from Vanguard minis.

>>54768835
Check the Specialist Arms forum. It's not specifically for forumware, but it's a forum where people occasionally post custom sculpts. That's where the Vanguard stuff originated.

>>54768835
Might want to just wait for FW's Horus Heresy-era Space Combat game. Unlike Epic, FW is actually interested in doing a reboot of BFG.

>>54768026
I think the Trolls.cz heavy weapons are better, but the infantry is soft on detail. I liked Vanguard's infantry more. They come on normal round "bases" that fit right into normal bases with round holes. Trolls infantry is on randomly-shaped bases that require filling around.

>>54768072
Exodus Wars had the original GW Necron infantry sculpts, and they were good for anyone doing Squats. That's about it. But they're in scale. I'd say Vanguard's older vehicles and not-marine infantry is oversized. Their not-Leman Russes, not-Sicarans, and not-Mastodons are fine.

>>54768835
Only on Shapeways.

>>54768878
Has there been any news on that? I haven't even heard they were thinking about it.

>>54769056
Nothing more than the original Specialist Games Design Studio announcement. Will probably hear more once FW releases Titanicus.

>>54769056
They might have something at the Open Day this weekend, but doubtful.

>>54768492
ARe those marines mounted on mdf? You got the name of a good manufacturer?

>>54769605
They're mounted on 20x40mm Victrix Plastic bases.

Found some nice articles on what NE:A is and some faction breakdowns: https://guildfordgamesclub.wordpress.com/epic-armageddon-hub/

>>54769605
The rounds are Renedra 25mm circles.

So 30K means it has better or worse tech than 40K? Was the Emperor still in a non veggie state back then?

>>54770126
better generally.
i mean it's been 10,000 years of decline

>>54770126
It basically means larger formations of marines without the same morale bonuses as their 40k equivalents. The recommended game size is also larger and there are a lot more superheavies (and primarchs) on the table.

There are some issues as a result. As in 8th edition 40k, going first is too great an advantage to be balanced. You can take two activations in a row per turn, as long as you pass a strategy roll – that isn’t 30k specific, but the larger formation sizes mean the effect is more significant. The 4000+ point recommendation (vs. 3000 in M41 Epic Armageddon) means you’re more likely to have stuff in range.

>>54770467
Does GW make this? Why haven't I heard of it before..

>>54770529
No it's a fan supplement currently in development. GW hasn't done shit for Epic in a long time.

>>54770529
http://epicau.com/mw/index.php/Main_Page

To be clear, it's an alternate set of army lists for use with the Epic Armageddon rules. Don't expect the balance that regular Epic Armageddon army lists have (those maintained by NetEA or EpicUK).

In Australia, 28mm 30k is unusually popular - probably because GW jacks up its prices down there but FW doesn't because the whole world has to buy FW stuff in GBP. So there were a lot of 30k fans who wanted to make Epic lists and they did.

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Bumping with a unit of Sicaran Battle Tanks.

>>54772111
Probably best to stop provoking people.

>>54772629
Seriously?

Anyone have any word on when the legion rules are going to include wolves and 1KS?

>>54772629
>getting triggered by pictures of future tanks because you can't buy them
lol

>>54773486
At this rate, not anytime soon. Literally only 2 people are working on the HH supplement and not enough people are play testing what's already there.

>>54769605
Warbases are pretty good for pretty much anything mdf

>>54769675
Cheers anon, this is pretty useful

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>>54772629
How the fuck is posting photos of awesome miniatures provoking people?

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>>54772629

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>>54772629

>>54775818
Gotta ask because I'm seriously considering starting out an epic army or two to get my local group into it

If I were to somehow get a hold of the recaster how much would a force that size cost from him?

The front two rows of tanks and some of the flyers I mean for starters

>>54776077
You should make a 2000 point list first. Lists in Epic are nothing like 40k. Tanks and fliers aren't enough.

>>54768492
How did you go about painting the infantry?

I'm curious what the process is for 6mm space marines because those look quite good.

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>>54777240
Prime, basecoat, wash, drybrush. I'd say drybrushing works better in 6mm than 28mm.

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>>54777240
In 6mm you want to exaggerate the highlights a little more and not worry about markings unless you're working on a one-off

>>54777240
All I did was basecoat, pick out the trim I wanted in silver and then washed with a dark ink. It'll be different depending on what color scheme you're doing but for a dark scheme like Iron Hands, it was that simple. The vehicles required doing a highlight with the base color but it takes a minute to do that per vehicle.

>>54733530
I've been on the mailing list of an epic group for over a year but have never actually brought anything, because I don't actually know how to order form them. I just get their catalogue every month.

>>54741084
I've seen someone use Dystopian Wars tanks in conjunction with Zulu Wars infantry to make a Praetorian Guard army.

>>54778935
>Dystopian wars tanks

Thats actually not a bad idea for a source of alternate Epic tanks.

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>>54758194
I mean, the Ragnarok is essentially a KV-2.

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>>54778935
>>54778953
After a quick google I found a photo of said army.

>>54778982
Oh fug that's awesome. Hey does anyone do Fallschirmajager or WW1 Germans or WW2 Russians in 6mm??

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>>54780813
Baccus my dude (for Jerries anyway).

You also might have luck with GHQ and Heroics & Ros, though I'm more familiar with their vehicles.

>>54780880
Aw shit nigga, urge to make Steel Legion army rising...

>>54778982
i love some of those tanks. that army is great.

>>54775709
that poor reaverlet

How's this for a starter list?

Infantry Company 450
Fire Support Platoon (4 Fire Support) 100
Griffon Battery (3 Griffons) 100

Infantry Compan
Commander, 12 Infantry 350
Fire Support Platoon (4 Fire Support) 100

Tank Company 650
Leman Russ10x

Flak Battery 3 Hydra 150

Sentinel Squadron 100
4 Sentinels

Sentinel Squadron 100
4 Sentinels

Super-heavy Tank Platoon 200
Shadowsword


2000 pts

>>54781776
Are those total points for the infantry companies? They seem odd; maybe you're adding Chimera costs and not reporting them.

At 2000 points I'd go easy on the upgrades and definitely not put two in one formation - EA rewards having more activations. You definitely want one company to be mechanized, and that one can keep the Griffons (at 3000 it should be a Regimental HQ, i.e. with a Supreme Commander upgrade). The other one without Chimeras will sit back on your objective and it can have fire support teams without Chimeras.

The rest looks good. At higher points levels you definitely want a formation of Thunderbolts, and the rest is up to you. An artillery battery is good, maybe two (avoid the company).

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Is this enough terrain for a game? I'm planning on getting more of the Forge World buildings but was wondering how dense the table usually is.

>>54782387
Inf company as opposed to mech companies

>>54782621
I'd add a little more, and cluster some of it closer together so that enitre formations have their line of sight blocked.

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>>54782621
It's probably ok but you might want to shuffle it around a bit to break up some of those long sightlines.

>>54783428
>>54783446

Cool, one thing I realized I don't have are 6mm scale woods, so I'll add in some of those to break up the patches of open ground.

>>54783515
Some rock/debris clusters would match the ground-sheet more and be effectively the same for providing an area of cover.

>>54782621
You can also use z-scale model train buildings and accessories. They're 1:220 (close to 8mm scale) while Epic is 1:285, so a little big but not terrible. I think Battletech is 6mm so that stuff would work too.

Or you can take Dropzone Commander's 10mm printable building templates and shrink them before printing.

>>54785839
>How are space marines doing?

In Epic? This is the scale where you actually DO need to be a century old tactical genius. Space Marines come with amazing stats and special abilities but also a comiserate price per stand.
You will have next to no actual bodies on the ground so you have to be really focused on objectives in order to get a win. You also, frankly kind of suck at dealing with Armour, and lack any real long range AT unless you take Titans, which is more points you don't have.

So, my personal gameplan is to put a Devestator detatchment with a Librarian into Droppods (a Thunderhawk is fine also) have them drop down on turn 3 and take the Blitzkreig objective in his deployment zone. Whilst the rest of my guys take another one of his Objective for the Take and Hold.

The hard part comes in working out how to get the last objective. You aren't likely to get the Break their Spirit objective unless he really overexposes that formation and you're able to get it in a crossfire between Teleporting Terminators and something else and then break. So, holding all your Objective Markers in your half or just plain keeping him out of your half of the board. You COULD do it by parking some Whirlwinds on your Deployment zone objective and just holding on with all your might to the other two and you put a second detachment of some kind in Drop Pods or use Terminators to snipe one.

You aren't going to win this by steamrolling over them like Orks, or highly effective combined arms like the IG. You have GOT to be 100% laser focused on exactly what you need to do to win this battle and nothing more.

Yo, anybody in LA looking for a game? The one in California

>>54789299
What store do you play at?

>>54789299

I'm in NJ unfortunately.

>>54789884
None currently just moved back to town. Where do I go to find a scene here? Live in south bay

>>54790644
Game Empire in Pasadena or Brookhurst Hobbies down in Garden Grove. I play at both occasionally. It's hard finding non-spergs in this town so I tend to just invite my friends over to my house to game.

>>54790644
Join one of the Epic facebook groups and ask there. I'm sure you'll find some players.

Question: Does NetEA have any plans to create and playtest rules for any of the units GW has made since Epic was discontinued? Looking to get into it but wondering if things like Centurions, Wyverns, Wraithknights etc are ever going to be in the game. Also is there a working Grey Knight list?

>>54791336
Development for new units is discussed on TacComs under the NetEA Development subforum. There's already a Grey Knight list there as well. Once everything has been playtested enough and approved by the community they're officially added to the tournament pack.

>>54778982
That army actually looks excellent.

Although I'm not a fan of the plastic see through bases.

>>54767799
I don't play but me and my friend just got into the hobby by playing Shadow War Armageddon and were looking at Epic 30k, I was planning on rolling with World Eaters.

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Any of you guys got experience or resources to share on making epic terrain?

>>54791336
The Vior'La Tau list has Riptides, Stormsurges, Supremacy Armour and Sun Sharks, so they do develop rules for new stuff.

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What armies do you guys collect if any?

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>>54798734
Ordered some proxies from Brigade Models and GZG yesterday to use as Tau. Only enough for Minigeddon, but it's a start. The Onslaught stuff looks really nice, but Brigade tanks are £1 each, as opposed to £12.20 for a pack of three, and I'm on a tight budget.
GZG stuff ships super fast, so here's my Crisis stand-ins.

Tried out a game of Minigeddon as Dark Angels on Tuesday. Assault resolution seems to be a really swingy thing...

>>54798734
Iron Hands, Mechanicum, Titan Legions. Planning on doing an Iron Warriors army to match my 28mm 30k army once I get my other armies fully painted.

>>54798734
I collect all armies it is a sickness I have had for decades.

Anyone in the DC Maryland area? We are looking for some players.

>>54800624
>all armies

Do you have any pictures cause man, thats an impressive problem you have there.

>>54798943
Which tanks did you order out of curiosities sake?

Thinking of getting into tau myself and looking for good tank proxies.

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>>54804886
I was looking for a while; whatever else can be said about GW design, at least they know how to make grav tanks which look like they should be fucking hovering. Although it doesn't help that no one else seems to base their example models on flight stands, which I feel helps the look dramatically.

Anyway, I ended up going with the Indonesian tanks. It's nowhere near a perfect fit, but there's proxies for all vehicles, so at least the army will look uniform, and they're cheap. Plus the Tau tanks are a unique style- the Brigade PacFed tanks might also work, or the Command Horizon Alliance tanks, but I couldn't find anything which actually suited the Tau look.

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>>54805137
Onslaught Minis makes better Tau proxies.

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>>54805492

>>54805492
also more expensive

>>54805560
If you're worried about price, this isn't the hobby for you.

>>54805492
See >>54798943 Brigade tanks work out at 25% the cost of Onslaught. Probably less as they come as singles, so there's no need to buy excess.

>>54805615
Man, fuck you. I see a fun game and I want to play it. I make do with what I have. Most hobbies are expensive. So I'm going to paint and play, and there's not a thing you can do about it.

>>54805560
They're so much better, though.

What table size is minimum for an epic game? If I wanted to drag my friends into this I'd have to make my own.

>>54805925
If you play Minigeddon, a 3x4' is enough.

https://sites.google.com/site/epicarmageddonlondon/minigeddon

>>54805137
Gross.

>>54805977
It's curious to me that Minigeddon is 3'x4'. It's the only game I can think of that is played length wise across the board as standard. Although 4'x4' also seems to work well for it.

>>54805925
A normal game is ideally played on a 4'x6' (120cm x 180cm) table.

Does anyone have some advice/decent lists for an Epic UK Steel Legion army for Minigeddon?

>>54806029
They probably wanted to keep the depth the same due to the March order, but wanted to confine players to half the standard width due to smaller points.

>>54805615
nigga that's a stupid way of thinking.
>>54805817
you should consider slowly switching into onslaught or eyeing ebay for shit
ebay sometimes has the best shit
>got a fucking reaver for 10 bucks
brigade minis are fucking fugly dude

>>54805817
I can make much nicer looking tokens than those miniatures for a fraction of the cost.

How's this for casual minigeddon using EpicUK rules? The whole group is pretty new to the game, hence using minigeddon.

1000 POINTS
Ulani Tank Regiment (Epic UK v15022013)
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TANK COMPANY [400]
6 Leman Russ Demolisher

ANTI-TANK PLATOON [200]
3 Leman Russ Tank Hunters

TANK COMPANY [400]
6 Leman Russ

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>>54805492
These actually look quite nice, I'll probably get some of these.

>>54811631
Minigeddon's hard to balance, especially because EA makes a big deal of how many activations you have. Taking all tanks might look bad to some armies that are weak on AT, but they should be taking you on in engagements, which only your Demolishers will be good at.

Due to the points costs of those formations, I'm not sure I recommend any changes. You've hit 1000 points and there aren't a ton of ways to do so. You'll be fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_3zXQl1vPQ&ab_channel=henafoo

Bumping with a battle report I found

Titans vs Death Korps of Krieg

>>54815608
Thanks! My only other thought was to replace the Leman Russ Tank Hunters with a Baneblade, but im not sure how useful it would be at 1000pts.

>>54818502
The general consensus on Baneblades is that they're too slow and role-confused in their weaponry to be worth it, so I'd go for the Shadowsword instead. Fills the same role as the destroyers too- long range armour rape.
Not sure about the Stormblade, but the Plasma Blastgun looks pretty terrifying.

>>54820010

There is a post on the tactical command forums about increasing BB main gun shot to 2 instead of the current one. That balances it out verse the equivalent LR. Still a little inferior, but much more competitive.

>>54791941
>grey knight list

With how surgical and expensive marines are, I can't imagine grey knights being any easier to play

>>54820869
I was in that conversation in 2015, back when there was nothing close to a consensus. You had proposals and counterpoints like:
Give it two shots so its shooting is competitive with Leman Russes - but that encourages keeping it stationary with Sustain orders, so it's like a Shadowsword but a little worse
Make the main gun a 2BP weapon - but then it blows under Doubling actions, and encroaches on the Stormsword
Give its main gun Disrupt - but that also encroaches on the Stormsword
Give it a better FF value because it's like an infantry tank of old - but that's the Stormhammer's role
Give it infiltrate so it can get into engagements more easily - but that's unrealistic and also steps on the Stormhammer

Momentum picked up recently and it's all been in favor of two shots on the main gun. That makes the Baneblade about equal to Leman Russes at long range and increasingly better as you get closer, at the expense of being slower. The change is likely to happen.

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>>54733530

>tfw my 40k army is bigger than most peoples' epic armies.

What is become of my life?

>>54823631
You wasted your money on a shit game.

>>54823631
Wow, that'd be close a 3000pt Epic army. Just needs to be played on a basketball court.

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Hey, been thinking about going admech, do you fellas think the space hedgehogs infantry worlk for imperial robots and the larger mechs as knights.
I was also thinking of picking up elementals

>>54823631
Enjoy your no life after you grow up and get out of gaming

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>>54823729
He said it's a 40k army, not an Epic one.

>>54824962
I like Onslaught's proxies more, personally, but I suppose those don't look too different from Thallax so they're fair game.

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>>54825066
>thallax
I didn't think of that but now i want it.

>I like Onslaught's proxies more
Have you picked up the talos syndicate stuff, i was wondering of they are knight sized or deadnaught sized. because fuck if they don't look like contempters

>>54823631
Sell me two of your valkyries

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>>54825193
I haven't, because they took a very long time to get to market.

They're definitely meant to fill for the old Epic-scale knights. From a TacComs post by Deacon, their designer:
>The marauder and enforcer are 31mm tall, the impaler and corsair are 37mm. All the arms work with any of the body types.

Only the Marauder and Enforcer are out (the middle chassis in the picture, with different weapon loadouts). They're equivalent to the GW plastic knight. The Impaler/Corsair will be Cerastus equivalents (one will have a shield sort of thing), and the Mauler will be based on the old Epic Knight Warden, which was short and squat.

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>>54825332

I like them, though

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>>54825193
>>54825381
The Cerastus chassis is tall and lanky because it's based on the old Epic knight lancer.

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>>54825424
And these are the old plastic Epic-scale knights that are not too hard to find on eBay and were the starting point for the Onslaught proxies.

>>54780813
That's like asking 'Is the sea wet?'

>>54825381
that's some good shit.
I think it's time for a knight household.
I've had some problems with their scaling before, their churchillian are much bigger than it ought to have been

>>54825441
I've got a couple of those right now thanks to the used stuff at the local store.

>>54825505
There's some confusion here, I think.

Onslaught is based in the US and most of their stuff is in scale with 3rd/4th edition Epic minis.

Vanguard is based in the UK, and they resell Onslaught minis so that Europeans can avoid shipping from the US. The minis that the Vanguard guy actually controls the design of are in the Defeat in Detail product line.

Defeat in Detail used to be sold by Troublemaker Games before it went under, run by a guy who used to work at GW and was personally involved in Epic. He later tried to license the minis from GW but was turned down, made forumware until GW started clamping down on it, and started Defeat in Detail (along with a 10mm range with some other name). He was into true-scale stuff, so his designs were generally larger than Epic's equivalents. That includes the Novan Elite (not-marine) infantry and their not-Rhinos.

He still does a lot of designing for the Defeat in Detail line now that Vanguard owns it, but the Vanguard guy has listened to customer feedback asking for smaller vehicles with a cleaner aesthetic so that's what he asks for.

I'd say all of Onslaught's minis, and Vanguard's Centurion tanks and 30k Legion-like tanks (Mauler, Stormer, the new not-Fellblades) are smaller and in line with other Epic minis.

>>54823631

Net Epic probably features bigger armies, since 2nd edition was all about massive battles. The netEA community is fixated with tiny battles with unrealistically low force densities vs the source material.

>>54825851
We EA fans think they're more realistic force densities.

>>54825851
I mean isn't it like battalion level play?

>>54825927
Some of the 40k fluff shows what are basically 40k Apocalypse games: imagine 28mm opposing battalions squeezed onto a 4'x6' table. Epic shrinks them down to 6mm but keeps the table size (or you could play a 10,000 Epic game on the same size table). Having more room to maneuver makes the game better as a game, imo.

Every engagement in an Epic Armageddon battle is basically a 40k battle. Could be as small as 500 points, or it could be 2000 if you have a lot of formations involved on each side.

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>>54826140
what the hell 40k are you playing where you field 20 leman russes?

>>54825882
>We EA fans think they're more realistic force densities.

If you look up WWII, or even cold war frontages for various formations concentrated for attack, and compare it with 3000pts on a 4x6 table, you'd find that 3000pts is a pretty empty battlefield, unless you've crammed your list full of cheap infantry hordes (the assumption being that 45cm = somewhere between 500-1000 meters in "real" distance).

>>54826140
>Having more room to maneuver makes the game better as a game, imo.

It may make for a more "interesting" game, but realistically most units would more often than not find themselves fighting on a portion of the line where there are no open flanks except the ones they create by punching through straight ahead.

I look at Epic like a fictional historical wargame. netEA seems to focused primarily on maintaining a balanced tourney game. Thankfully, I can play neEA however I want to by using more points and tailored scenarios.