/wfg/ - Warhammer Fantasy General: 1v1 me edition

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First for humans, elves, dwarfs and halflings. Living in harmony together!

>>54729366
I vote Gotrek!
Also do elfs try to get their crown back?

>>54729391
>Harmony
>Between elves and dwarves
Yeah, not happening

>>54729406
>number 1 on top ten Malekith pranks

>>54729430
>Staring war between elves and dwarfs prank
>Gone wrong
>Gone genocide
>Everything ruined forever

>>54729452
Hilarious, isn't it?
Sundering was a prank too.

>>54729366
Gotrek wins hands down

>>54729396
They almost tried, but dark elves stopped them by invading Ulthuan

What is Thorgrim's tax policy?

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How do beastmen numbers grow so quickly? Do their victims/beastwomen gestate quickly or do they just grow really fast compared to humans?

>>54729505
they hide in forests and increase their numbers.
Since most of them flee when the battle goes poorly they have all the time in the world to run away.

>>54729496
Pay taxes or you'll get your name into the book

>>54729496
Every Lord of every hold can decide his tax policy

Thorgrim believs in the right compensation for a good work. All miners and craftsmen pay him a tithe on the earnings made dealing with humans, and he oversees trade amond dwarf clans.

His own clan trades in runic objects and its prices are as exorbitant as its quality

>>54729505
>>54729539
Speaking of victims, is enslaving for that purpose still a thing in a wink wink manner or is it retconned completely? I mean the Fimir are still a thing and are going to be in Norsica, although I'm not so sure they'll actually mention them being literal rapefish in their description.

>>54729672
its a videogame that charges for blood so that it can get a proper rating. it will be lightly alluded to.

>>54729672
It is still a thing

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>implying dwarfs aren't the jews of Warhammer

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Discord chat about Warhammer Fantasy, catered though more to the RPG:

https://discord.gg/xTGSZbU

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spankable

elven

asses

>>54729715
>tfw confederated with all dwarf factions in total warhammer and start making 300000+ gold per turn.

How was Mighty Empires? The 1990 Strategic game, not the 2007 release?

I love my Warhams, but after digging out my Battletech Battleforce box and playing the strategic level campaign there, I want the same thing in a Fantasy setting and Google told me this existed.

>>54729505
>beastwomen gestate quickly
Maybe yes, maybe not, probably.

Also consider that major source of beastmen are chaos wastes where things like linear time have not that much meaning.
So last ride of Archaon could be result of millions of years of breading and mustering armies of chaos, while in Empire it was 200 years since Magnus the Pious.

So there is logical reason to say:
>ther is as many beastman/demons/maruders as plot demands
While order factions by logic(that is never used in fantasy writing) have manpower cap.

>>54729505
Beastmen reproduce in a lot of ways.

1.) Beastwomen. They have litters of children.
2.) Human women. They may or may not have litters.
3.) Gave children. Mutants who exhibit beastly traits are often abandoned in the forest to die or to be 'saved' by others of their 'kind.' Beastmen actually do, and have a supernatural ability to show up in time.
4.) Spontaneous mutation, the 'turnskin.' A human becoming a beastman suddenly and spontaneously.
5.) Mutant joiners. Adult humans who join warherds due to being mutants. Often they tend to mutate in beastly ways, though if they have no horns or beastly features at all they're treated as less than brays.

>>54729715
Chaos Dwarfs are obviously semitic, anon. No one was disputing that.

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>>54729999

>>54729914
but that's a man

>>54730139
>Sees boobs
Prove it

>54730139
>54730164
I want both these retards to shup up.

>54730185
I don't

>>54729999
>While order factions by logic(that is never used in fantasy writing) have manpower cap.
Which also means their numbers are what the plot demands.

>>54730139
Did I stutter?

>>54729715
Anon, shekels are a term often used for ancient currency. I've looked at translations of cuneiform tablets as part of a bit of museum work, and most follow that exact form.

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>>54730225
>Which also means their numbers are what the plot demands.
That is what I said.
But chaos have quite good and reasonably unreasonable in universe justification for it, while order do not.

>>54729406
There are humans in the middle. Not outright killing each other and still helping via proxy is much better than how it used to be.

>>54730363
Humans being in the middle is exactly the only reason they are not trying to kill each other

>>54729366
I like Gotrek more, but Tyrion would absolutely wipe him out. Nigga is the true heir to Aenarion. He'd beat him so hard Gotrek's entire ancestral line would feel it.

>>54729406
Finubar, Alarielle and Aliathra tried anything they could to settle relations with Dawi.

>>54730407
Gotrek Starbreaker or Gurnisson?

>>54730327
Should clarify that I've also used the currency to refer to an amount or weight, i.e. ten shekels weight of wool, two shekels of silver. That and the repetition of the Chaos Dwarf's name and title makes it very obvious it's supposed to be Mesopotamian to me (some tablets said the name of their writer, and then included their seal at the end again, or 'in the name of the king')

>>54730407
>tyrion
>beating gotrek

loving every laugh

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>>54730407
>Gotrek
>Getting beaten by hissy fit: the elf

>>54730425
Either. Gotrek Starbreaker's greatest feat is defeating the least competent elf king ever, and while I love Gurnisson, he's simply not on Tyrion's level.

>>54730425
Tyrion has no chance against either of them

I mean in 6th he didn't have a chance even against Thorgrim

>>54730495
You don't really know who Gotrek is and what he does do you

>>54730225
Well more often than not the forces of order are on the defensive in stories for that reason

>>54730495
>defeats a Greater Daemon of Khorne in combat - twice
>defeats a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh in combat, it runs away to avoid being banished
>defeats Be'lacuck in combat, denying him godhood

Tyrion isn't fit to brush Gotrek's pubes.

But what happens if Gotrek draws Widowmaker?

>>54730560
He becomes ultimate bishonen Khaine + bara Grimnir sex symbol.

>>54730560
That is a nice question. What happens if anyone but an elf draws widowmaker? does the curse still affect them? Could they draw the sword at all?

To answer your question, He could kill all the four chaos gods and finish what aenarion couldn't while riding a magical unicorn of destruction

So what ever happened to Brunner and Mathias Thulmann in The End Times? Also, how did C.L. Werner end up writing Deathblade and not Rise of the Horned Rat, considering how much he loves writing skaven.

>>54730528
Also
>Kills skulltaker for good

>>54730407
Actually Malekith is the true king and so despite being pure evil all elves follow him. And I thought humans were dumb.

>>54730727
Bretonnia cough cough

>>54730407
>Tyrion would absolutely wipe him out. Nigga is the true heir to Aenarion. He'd beat him so hard Gotrek's entire ancestral line would feel it.
>says Tyrion would beat Gotrek
>has no actual basis to his argument other than "muh heritage"

>>54730645
Didn't Brunner wound Archaon and then get chopped in half in the novel?

>>54730825
>So we made them think Gods of Law are real, they actually did it! Absolute madmen.

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>>54730847
Tyrion beat Malekith multiple times and killed Mel Gibdon.

>>54730892
Malekith got beaten by a campfire.

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>>54730892
You can run boy, but I'mma getchu.

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Are grail knights taller than other men?

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>>54729689
>sell potentially m dlc for other game as bonus for t game that is just and expac for the first game

How does that shake out

>>54730645
They fucking died like everyone else

>>54731015
>feed exclusively on elven breast milk
No.

>>54731015
They're all basically 6'3 + swole gods

>>54731087
>6'3"
So they're manlets.

>>54729715
the similarity to persian inscriptions is astonishing

>>54731120
It's kind of fucking intentional. Have you seen chaos dwarves?

>>54730825
>it's just a prank bro

>>54731056
you just need to buy blood DLC once

>>54731102
6' is hueg for high middle ages

Is it better to start as Manfred and confederate with Vlad, or vice versa.

>>54730825
No one cares about dumb horseniggers, their inbred chaff, nor the bitch they think is a god.

>>54730847
Tyrion has beaten up Malekith a bunch of times.

Malekith would annihilate Gotrek.

>>54731067
But where were they when the world died, what were they doing?

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>>54731351
>Malekith would annihilate Gotrek.

>>54729916
Yeah, for me the biggest difficulty with dwarves is managing all the shit you have. I just turned all my coastal cities into fortresses to stop the 3-stack Norscans from immediately ruining them, while I started crusading north to deal with undedibles and chaos.

Also the mod for the Norse Dwarves is neat, I just wish it didn't have the same victory conditions regular dwarves have. I like the last-stand feel I have with them that I get when playing as Kislev.

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>>54731349
But that goddess has fine tits and ass.

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>>54731348
>VonShitstains

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>>54731398
She's no god, she's some literally who? elf.
This shit is even flimsier than the cult of Sigmar.

>>54731374
Dude are you delusional?

Malekith and Archaon are probably the two most deadly mortals (if you can even call them mortals anymore) in the Old World. Gotrek is relatively low on the power scale, he just has a knack for killing really big monsters with bursts of superhuman grit.

>>54731398
So does myrmidia, and she is also a good big sister that
>lived among people
>teaches them to use their brains.

>>54731420
>t. Manlet VonCuckstein mad at the superiour vampire

>>54731081
post proofs for the research archives of Altdorf

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>>54731591
>insult whole line
>aha, you're [member of that line]!

>>54731698
What else are they gonna feed the kidnapped magic shotas and lolis?

Where does /tg/ go to discuss lewd stuff these days?

>>54731760
bretonia

>>54730638
Non-Age of Smegmar Aenarion, Gotrek, and Tyrion ride to fight the Chaos Gods. Include Widowmaker in there, god-support, etc etc.

Who wins?

What if the Gods of Law intervene?

What if Malal or the Horned Rat intervene?

What if Sigmar intervenes?

>>54731760
/d/ or pathfinder general

do any of you guys have the pdf for Reaper by Rick Priestly? You know, the predecessor to WHFB

>>54731523
Gotrek has defeated multiple greater daemons in single combat while naked. Malekith lost to a fireplace.

>>54732369
Hey, Be'lakor lost to rocks. Fire is leagues above that.

>>54732369
Malekith survived in Warp battling slaaneshi daemons for decades.

>>54732389
Having sex because they're the only things able to get your crisped dick healed and hard is not battle.

If any of this is End Times, then it doesn't count at all.

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>>54732417
I don't think even Malekith would put his graceful elven dick into daemonette.

>>54732389
I think there is some anti-elf-autism going on that will make him disregard whatever you might say.

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>>54732454
>Malekith is gay

>>54732454
Seeing as how they alter their form to suit your fantasies, I think anyone would stick their dick into her not realizing she's that fat old lady from the Shining.

>>54731348
Try Kemmler, he's alright now. Not good, but alright.

>>54732389
It really depends what were he doing in there as there was quite a few humans/dwarfs/evles that were lost in the chaos realm and lived in some way.

Is it officially called the warp in fantasy?

>>54732495
Realm of Chaos.

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>>54732456
That's stunty goatshaggers for you.

>>54732478
Daemonettes are whatever gender, and he fornicates with Dreadladies and mom.

>>54732495
Its said he fought N'kari the strongest KoS.

>>54732521
Pretty sure what's left of his dick can't get it up to anything but youthful Dwarven and Human women.
Essentially the opposite of the roastie hags he has to put up with.

>>54732492
Are mods to make Krell not crumble required, or is Krell fine without them? It bothers me on some level that Krell is a regular (if beefy) summon, instead of a permanent summon, or better yet a legendary hero.

>>54732478
>Malekith is gay
DE are bisexual as long as you are in dominant role it is okay, if you are not then you are worthless slave.

>>54732521
>Its said he fought N'kari the strongest KoS.
Now some Gotrek fag should post his strongest adversary so we can compare.
Also he fought but did he win, and If, was it decisive victory?

>>54732607
He won twice, one time in Warp, other in Naggarond.

>>54732579
It's never bothered me that he's a bit crumbly - as long as you aren't using him recklessly, you can easily slap him with an Invocation of Nehek, something you'll probably be doing to keep the rest of your army buffed up anyway, and Kemmler has a few minor abilities that help with keeping his army healthy anyway, if I remember right.

And the fact that he's a summon does have its uses - he'll always be at full health whenever you summon him, so you don't have to worry about going into battle with him with low health due to a few rough battles. If he dies, you don't have to wait for him to recover from his wounds. It can be a little frustrating that you can't have him level up, or give him any unique equipment, but I guess that's the trade off, and if you want you could still give Kemmler a regular Wight King.

>>54732389
Gotrek is currently still in the immaterium, slaughtering countless daemons.

>>54732728
He was broken to shards like Khaine from 40k.

>>54732670
How well does he scale compared to a regular Wight King? Will a higher leveled Wight King do better than him, or does he remain competitive as the game progresses?

In my perfect world, I would've made a Krell a hero Kemmler would unlock like his sword, cloak, and staff.

But that doesn't mean I'm not unsatisfied with TW:W, I'm actually quite happy with it.

>>54732760
Only because while he was busy doing his job, everyone else fucked up.

Where in the WFRP 2e core book are free advances covered? I remember everyone gets one but I don't see where it's written

>>54732927
Page 20 of the core book.

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>>54732773
I honestly don't know - I haven't experimented enough with it, and melee heroes rarely seem like a gamechanger to me. All I know is that, playing against Kemmler when he's an NPC, Krell doesn't change the tide of battle much, though he can break a unit if you aren't careful. And considering you can summon Krell from the very beginning of the game, it stands to reason that he either levels up with Kemmler, or his stats are relatively low and stay low.

Overall TW:W is a great game, and I love playing it - even when most games generally all go the same way, sometimes there's just enough variety to keep me surprised and excited. But again, most games go the same way, and I don't feel like changing the difficulty does much more than, well, make things harder - it doesn't change how most factions act, beyond your usual foes being tougher.

>>54732970
One thing I'd like to change is make the Wood Elf AI not be able to pull amber out of their ass. One reason because I hate confederation with the other wood elf factions because if I do, it sends me into negative Amber unless I prepared for it.

>>54732623
the first time he trapped nkari
Teclis unsummed nkari
I don't know what happened in the warp.

Does anyone else plan to roleplay a Lizardman campaign on the combined map, where you're Mazmamundi and you're exterminating anyone's city's that are outside of their 'designated areas'?

>>54732970
What we really need for the late game is have other factions 'blob up', that way there will be other massive powers to challenge you when you get to that point.

Sadly it's more likely that everyone falls apart.

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>>54733155
Depends on the faction you play, I guess, but overall you're right. I would have enjoyed having ruined areas getting resettled by resurgent Empire provinces after you deal with Archaon, or have Bretonnia take control penalties to recreate the peasant rebellions that happened after the Storm of Chaos. Shake up the secure homeland, encourage resurgence and even new powers. But usually the biggest threat you might deal with is probably one of the Southern Realms, if Estalia starts bullying its neighbors or something. And if I'm playing the Empire, Bretonnia or Dwarves, we all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya, with the only real threat from Norscans that are just too annoying to chase down.

I like that the game never allows the Beastmen and Orcs to completely disappear, but after a point there's no more serious challenge. And half the map will stay in ruins because for some reason CPU factions never want to resettle shit. There are probably ways to fix these problems, but I'm not sure which way is best, and I feel like at some point it'd be an overhaul rather than tweaks. Let's hope that T:WW2 does something about it - at least then there'll be a bit more fun starting as Bordelaux, what with having an excuse to sail directly to the New World, and Dark Elf raids could keep things interesting. And having a new world to check out after the old one gets fucked and quiet could at least help keep a long game going.

>>54732155
mods nuked the /d/ thread a while back

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>>54733348
>>And half the map will stay in ruins because for some reason CPU factions never want to resettle shit
Fucking infuriating. I wanted to keep the Empire around so I could have a good trading partner but I had to basically plop five stacks in their lands to keep them from getting killed because they would never, ever resettle and thus had to deal with extremely weak armies who would constantly die due to vampire bullshit attrition.

>>54733421
there are mods that fix the ai's reluctance to settle.
>>54733382
when? why?

how do i learn the warhammer lore (pre-age of sigmar)?

I need to autistically learn every detail so I can properly GM

>>54733348
>>54733421
Maybe it's because I used Steel Faith but the AI's been good to me so far.

As the Empire Bretonnia wanted an alliance and I took it. They drove out Orcs and Norscans from their borders and retook their settlements, even capturing and holding Marienburg.

When I sent two invasion armies to the Nordfucker coast I was worried they'd get swarmed, and they almost did until Bretonnia AND Estalia landed four stacks of troops in total to help me out.

It was glorious watching not-Germanegland, not-France, and not-Spaintugal absolutely annihilate a bunch of not-Vikings and destroy their coast, while I helped Kislev bitchwhip Archy and co. so hard that they gave up and started fucking over the Vampires.

>>54733509
Start with Sigmar's Heirs and read the 6th and 7th edition army books. Avoid 8th edition like a plague. If you have time, read some of the novels. Also chat with fellow GMs on the discord channel.

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REMOVE KYAZAK remove kyazak

you are worst kurgan. you are the kurgan idiot you are the kurgan smell. return to troll contray. to our troll contry cousins you may come our contry. you may live in the bear pit….ahahahaha ,norsca we will never forgeve you. svolich rascal FUck but fuck asshole kurgan stink norsca blyad blyad..kyazak genocide best day of my life. take a bath of dead kyazak..ahahahahahNORSCA WE WILL GET YOU!! do not forget great war against chaos .Norsca we kill the king , Norsca return to your precious Chaos waste….hahahahaha idiot kurgan and norscan smell so bad..wow i can smell it. REMOVE KYAZAK FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. Kislev+Empire+gospodar+ungol=kill norsca…you will great war/ boris alive in kislev, boris making dance of kislev . fast dance boris kislev. we are rich and have cannon now hahahaha ha because of boris… you are ppoor stink kurgan… you live in a hovel hahahaha, you live in a yurta

Boris alive numbr one #1 in kislev ….fuck the Chaos waste ,..FUCKk ashol kurgan no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur chaos and everchosen. Boris aliv and real strong tzar kill all the kyazak farm aminal with bear magic now we the kislev rule .dog of the zoo sigmar fukc pig and lay egg this egg hatch and norsca wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our clay we will crush u lik a skull of pig. Kislev greattst countrey

>>54733532
Not that anon, but 8th ed is when they started changing lore to line up for the End Times?

>>54733523
So what does Steel Faith change overall? How much of it is compatible with Cataph's stuff and the faction unlockers?

>>54733509
WFRP is one of the best resources.

Novels too, but some aren't great.

Take care to ignore any books or supplements for 8th Ed or the End Times line, because those are Age of Sigmar prequels.

Army books, especially when they got fluff heavy in 6th and 7th, are also fantastic.

You'll see the "Realm of" books and such mentioned here, very old Chaos supplements. Those are optional. They offer good lore to the Chaos Gods and their workings but they have some very questionable elements, such as chainswords and bolters being available in Fantasy and other cross-universe shit. They're easy to ignore and have always been an optional part of lore, so that's on you to incorporate or nullify.

If you pick up Gotrek and Felix, stop at Zombieslayer. It's the last book IIRC that was set in non-8th/ET/AoS fluff.

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>>54733568
Yes. It's when common sense took a back seat to ham fisted retcons so that their hack story could work.

>>54733590
As far as novels go, aren't the Genevieve novels sort of "apocrypha" like how you could say Realm of Chaos/Slaves to Darkness is due to their age?

>>54733589
not very.
It is compatible with TEB and Crynsos' unlocker+

In WFRP 2e, can I cast spells in armor?

>>54733684
Yes and it's -1 to cast for every point of armour you have. Armoured Casting allows you to ignore up to 3 of those points. Chaos Armour doesn't affect your casting ability.

>>54733766
So Armoured Casting only works on divine casters?

>>54733794
Any other "forgotten" things you brought over to your games? Like say, Gods of Law?

>>54733568
>>54733597
8th was a well-veiled precursor to ET, introducing soft retcons and questionable elements, but it wasn't anything spectacularly awful until End Times, which led to the hard reboots, asinine plots, bizarre gameplay changes, and ultimately the world-destroying transition into Age of Sigmar. 8th isn't as bad as the End Times supplements for it or AoS, but it's still not a very good source of fluff, if your intent is to avoid anything AoS related.

>>54733664
I'm not entirely sure. I do know some of the fluff is the oldest-oldest books is questionable due to age. I recall WFRP 1e saying the Emperor is an alcoholic idiot, while 7th (the last edition that most of us consider "Fantasy canon") has Franz being an incredible general and statesman.

When it comes to outdated content, it's up to you on what to keep. For example, I still keep Malal, the renegade Chaos God, in my games even though he was phased out a long time ago by GW due to copyright problems they had.

In cases like that where old fluff was lost due to external problems or GW simply forgetting it existed, I like to carry it over.

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>>54733819
Not that it 'only' works on them, I believe only priests get access to that Talent.

>>54733855
Fine, 8th edition wasn't the worst thing ever. It didn't make my eyes bleed like ET and AoS does. But it's still terrible.

>>54733827

Don't see why anyone who isn't Cocknac wouldn't, Gods of Law were great.

>>54733855
I'm pretty sure you could argue that, with a little awareness, you could read and even take parts from 8th edition lore without having to condone the End Times. But maybe that's because I got into the hobby late and didn't know better, compared to the folks that came in around 6th and cling to that as the last true edition - and admittedly, it is the most sound and the best source of lore all in all.

>>54733899
>Gods of Law were great

They weren't even good. They had about a paragraph of fluff and were such non-entites they can be nothing but meh.

>>54733794
> I recall WFRP 1e saying the Emperor is an alcoholic idiot, while 7th (the last edition that most of us consider "Fantasy canon") has Franz being an incredible general and statesman.

Funnily enough, Karl Franz is an incredible general and statesman in the Genevieve novels, despite them being pretty old.

>>54730495
Tyrion is a badass and all and definitely one of the best warriors in the setting, but Tyrion is good at multiple forms of warfare and battle and is a master orb tactics and such.

Gotrek however has one skillset; kill everything in front of him.

>>54734036
It was the idea that Chaos had a non-evil counterpart that provided at least a little bit of hope to the world that was the great thing about them.

>>54734119
For me what I liked was the idea of there being polar opposite deities to Chaos, and their worshippers while tolerated, were still considered to be a bit too fanatical, even for Templars of the non-Gods of Law religions.

Is there a mechanic in 2E for, like, morale?

If a bunch of NPCs are fighting the party and half die, is there a test they have to take to resist fleeing or surrendering? What about the reverse situation, where half the party has been KO'd?

>>54734196
I use willpower tests. It seems to work fine.
But there's no hard and fast rules written into the system, no.

>>54733558
I love that WHF shitposting is literally just /int/ shitposts with the serial numbers filed off.

>>54734119
They didn't provide any hope though. Not only did the book they were introduced in say they couldn't win, it said that a world they did win would be just as bad as if Chaos won.

>>54729366
Did Gotrek Starbreaker use Ghal Maraz?

>>54734399
>Not only did the book they were introduced in say they couldn't win

That got changed.

>it said that a world they did win would be just as bad as if Chaos won.

This was always pretty interesting, and mixed that hope with the grimdarkness.

Whether Chaos or Law wins, we're all fucked.

Old Ones please save us.

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>>54734399
It'd be pretty neat to see a "what if" where instead of Chaos being ascendant, it was Law. Maybe it'd be something like this?

>>54734174
It is rather ironic - while the Chaos Gods are loathed, they're still worshiped by cults that desire power. But the Gods of Law are too hard-line for human sensibilities and barely have any followers, and don't seem to have much to offer them.

It's like how Malal is an anti-Chaos Chaos God, but he's barely worshiped at all, and is just in opposition to everyone, rather than being some sort of better nature of Chaos.

>>54734601
Chaos at least claims to offer independence, power, and freedom, even if it's all a big lie to enslave your soul.

Law is less popular because it stands against not only Chaos but chaotic emotions. If Law won the world would enter a dead stasis, never developing, never changing, all emotions null and void aside from passive justice.

The world of a Chaos victory would be a fiery ash-heap, because they and everything else would be destroyed by the imbalance in reality.

The world of a Law victory would be a dead and lifeless lobotomy of existence where you might as well be dead, because that's the ultimate balance and order: complete stasis and petrification.

Whoever wins, we lose. The Gods of Law are at least honest and not usually as big of pricks as the Gods of Chaos though.

>>54734092
Are you sure? I don't have Drachenfels to hand but Beasts in Velvet, Silver Nails etc. seem pretty ambivalent about him and cross reference the early Gotrek and Felix novels with the window tax and Reiksguard massacre.

It seemed to me as if they were setting up the fluff for Luitpold. I'm not sure why Luitpold vanished entirely and was replaced by that other son in Empire in Flames.

>>54734691
Luitpold is Karl's brother who's a mutant, but one of his "gifts" is that he can project an illusion of being normal.

>>54734645
I can understand how the Gods of Law could be worshiped by ascetics, or in some cases Witch Hunters who just see taint of Chaos in everything else. I liked a bit of very old lore that the cult of Solkan used to be powerful in Remas, and acted as quasi-Witch Hunters that kept civil strife to a minimum - until they couldn't manage to defeat a Khornate daemon and everyone got pissed at them for being useless on top of screwing their lives over with their 'everyone is a sinner' sensibilities.

But yeah, generally Gods of Law just aren't for people to worship. One of them is even supposed to be so hard to understand he barely has any followers. They exist only because Chaos needs an antithesis to balance out, not because there's any strong desire for them. And I'm okay with that, and their minor place in the lore as a result.

>>54734740
That's Wolfgang. I don't think we know his relation, he's just the Crown Prince.

>>54734092
Maybe Franz does have a weakness for alcohol.

>>54734746
>they couldn't manage to defeat a Khornate daemon
Wasn't that in one of the Brunner stories?

>>54734754
Oh yeah. Sorry, I meant to phrase my post as a question, but forgot to do that.

>>54734740
Luitpold is Franz's heir in the Drachenfels, Beasts in Velvet etc. I don't think Wolfgang is mentioned though I'm not sure. Wolfgang is heir in Empire in Flames and Luitpold (the younger) isn't mentioned, to my knowledge.

I love the Yeovil novels when they get into the backstabbing and politicking between different Imperial authorities. They feel like real people, not retarded capeshit fantasies like Volkmar or nuFranz.

>>54734764
yes

>>54734553
>See: Atlantis

That might be kinda hard...

>>54734505
>That got changed.

No it didn't. The Law gods barely existed outside their first mention, and Chaos winning was a thing all the way to the End Times where it did win.

>>54734458
Despite the image, history talks about a hammer, but not which hammer

So he might have

Do grossemessers or kriegsmessers exist in the Empire? And if so what are their rules in the RPG?

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>>54734505
Not him.

>That got changed.

No, it wasn't. In fact, it got worse as the time went by. It was confirmed that....Solkan is a lie

>>54731015
Their stature doesn't change after drinking from the cup.

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>>54735367
Probably. I mean, I don't see why they shouldn't exist. I don't think I've seen an explicit mention of them though.

In the RPG they would just be Great Weapons.

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For those curious, once there was a Imperial province on the Bretonnian side of the Grey Mountains, named West Mark. It had been conquered by Sigismund the Conqueror around 900 IC (977 IC is when Gilles le Breton was crowned king). Apparently the specific area it encompassed was Parravon. Though I should note that the information on this does come from an in-universe, and therefore possibly biased, source. And any Imperial influence doesn't seem to have lasted long, since by Gilles time Parravon was just another Dukedom, and had its own Duke.

>>54735513
Sigmar's Heirs gives this information in a Word of God format.
Sigismund the Conquerer also defeated the Juton King and added the Jutonsryk land to the province of Westerland and founded the province of Lichtenberg in the Border Princes.

It was about this time that the Fennones of Sylvania were conquered and added to the Empire, although that wasn't under Sigismund's rules specifically. Also Ostland and Talabecland extended all the way to the river Lynsk. At this point Ostermark was the East March of Talabecland.

>>54735384
Rocks aren't a lie.

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>>54735338
>>54735384
Fuck off Cocknac.

>>54733532
Ignore 7th ed too

It's basically already end times

>>54735905
No it isn't.

Archaon gets defeated and Chaos loses, and the older lore is still intact.

>>54735905
Ignore anything after 1st edition, there is no Empire.

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My 2E players need cash fast, and I found a fun way to help them get it.

I want to recreate pic related in a gambling den, with a crime lord offering them a wager: x amount of money put up by each party, and if the PCs answer correctly they get both stacks of coins, but if they fail then the crime lord gets both stacks.

The problem is cereal does not exist in the Warhammer World. What other similar products could be substituted to get the same idea?

>>54736007
It'd be broth, it takes on the flavor of the cereal as the water does to the thing being cooked.

>>54736007
WHFRP?

>>54736784
Yes, WHFRP 2E.

>>54736735
There are lots of arguments online about that specific riddle, with the short answer being that any of them could be true (the crime lord would just use one of the other arguments and take their money unless they Charm or Intimidate him).

But I can't use the exact riddle because, again, cereal doesn't exist in Warhammer. I need ideas to replace it

>>54736853
I thought this was the whfb thread

>>54736853
Hot potato in water with salt?

>>54736007
oatmeal , gruel, porridge, or pottage

>>54736929
>>54736904
Well now I feel really stupid, these are such obvious answers. I even have all of those foods in my cupboards right now.

>>54736873
What made you think that?

>>54729366
why isn't mantic in the OP for alternative warhammer miniatures

Why does that stupid daemon invite such autism?

>>54737064
Because it makes people mad and gets replies.

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>>54737064
Everything in the setting does now. The End Times, Bret squires, Be'lakor, Elven gods, Malekith the Pheonix King...One of the good things about the setting being dead is that you can pick and chose what you want, and add in your own headcanon liberally since no one can officially say 'no' anymore. But one of the bad things is that there's nothing to point to as being the official, canon lore anymore - everything is fair game. The only sort of agreement on what is or isn't canon comes from the community, and of course this varies from community to community.

Even though in general, the affirmation among this specific community is that anything past 6th is questionable at best, and by End Times is outright ignorable, it's up to the community to enforce it, making it easy to goad them into an argument by simply holding up something they don't like and saying you like it. And, you know, there's also the rarity that some people are legitimately new to the setting and don't understand why people hate the ideas that seem sensible to them, since they just got here from /twg/ or another vidya and can't see the edition divisions.

>there is a working mod for actual unit formations in total warhammer now.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=834440120

HOLY SHIT

>>54729944
Overall, eh. But there are good fan made campaign systems that add to or improve it.

>>54732760
Are we talking the AoS Grimnir fkuff that hasn't made it clear if it was Gotrek or original Grimnir?

As for Tyrion v. Gotrek - just mathhammer it. We have stats for them.

>>54737855
I actually asked the same question at /aosg/ & they didn't know. At best, there was speculation about who it was.

>>54737551
This is far funnier then it has any right to be.

>>54734553
Nagash is law ascendant.

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>>54734282
The Tzarina's Kossars to the Everchosen!

O Never-Chosen, ruinous daemon and damned daemon's kith and kin, scribe to Tzeentch himself. What kind of champion are thou, that canst not slay a snotling with your naked arse? Nurgle shits, and your army eats. Thou shalt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Kislev's sons; we have no fear of your horde, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck thy mother.

Thou Norscan scullion, Kurgan wheelwright, brewer of Bretonnia, goat-fucker of the Eastern Steppe, swineherd of man-beasts, pig of the North, Strigany thief, catamite of Slaanesh, hangman of Sylvania, and fool of all the Old World and New, an idiot before Dazh, grandson of the Ruinous Powers, and the crick in our dick. Goblin's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, mutated brow, screw thine own mother!

So the Kossars declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for Kislev. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; Mannslieb's in the sky, the year with the Tzarina, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

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>>54734282
WFB never really had all that much in the way of memes, it just never got that sort of attention for them. It wasn't until recently - and I mean very recently, within the last few years - that you really started seeing anything. And it's still fucking paltry compared to little brother 40k, let alone most other big name things.

Then again, it feels like everything exploded in a meme sense starting a couple of years ago.

>>54738335
Yeah now that you put it like that, Nagash is a Lawfag.

>>54738420
That bestigor's eye is exceptionally unsettling

>>54736853
>>54736735

Jesus Christ, it's spelt WFRP you mongs.

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>Damn, vlad looks like THAT?

>>54737968
Honestly, as a Warhammer fan I don't really give a toss about AoS lore - though I will grudgingly bend and ear to End Times lore.

But as a fucking dyed in the wool Gotrek and Felix fan, not knowing Gotrek's ultimate fate makes me fucking INCENSED.

Absolutely.
Fucking.
Livid.

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>>54738478
It's just a goat's eye. I'd be more creeped out if it was on that Ungor.

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>>54738544
>But as a fucking dyed in the wool Gotrek and Felix fan, not knowing Gotrek's ultimate fate makes me fucking INCENSED.

he died the same all all the other characters died in memetimes

*rocks fall*

the purpose was to sweep the setting under the rug and make cheap shots at their fans who liked the setting

>>54737855
Well, if we mathammer it, Tyrion is likely to win. Mostly due to Always Strikes First.

Gotrek can possibly output a ton of hits if he gets lucky, due to his axe, but Tyrion is more likely to wound, has more wounds, and will hit first each round.

>>54738499
Looked like manlret with hair

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I don't know how I pulled it off.

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>>54738986
I was just going "fuck it" and wanted to commit suicide in a humorous way.

>>54729366
>Tyrion vs Gotrek

On average, Tyrion hits with three attacks and Gotrek hits with three (due to the Rune Axe). Tyrion wounds with three, while Gotrek wounds with two. Both have a +4 Ward save, but Gotrek is very marginally more likely to take more wounds per turn. Due to Tyrion's much higher Initiative, greater number of wounds, and Heart of Avelorn, he's going to win most times.

Both are likely to go away in bad shape, but Gotrek will generally go away worse.

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>>54739005
The power of bromance shouldn't be doubted.

>>54739033
>putting Kemmler in Mousilion

I love you.

But yes, you have to love moments like that. Something that Total Warhammer has done for me is made me legitimately care about some generals, to the point where I've written down a list of names to remember from generals that had amazingly fun runs or surprisingly short ones. And there were also the times where Leoun managed to cheese a victory all on his own.

>>54739028
But Gotrek has more plot armor and an axe that basically makes him a demigod.

>>54739213
Not according to the stats. They have literally the same level of plot armour - 4+ Ward save plot armour.

>>54739234
What edition was Gotrek featured in? Tyrion's probably been updated more.

>>54739109
Yeah, I was just messing around, made a mistake and cost Kemmler his army where he was the only survivor. I got run down again, so I jumped camped Kemmler out in the woods, I ended up using Raise Dead to summon some meatshields so when Adalhard finally found him, there were a shit ton of disposable zombies to tie up his units while Krell murdered Adalhard, forced 3 Knights and 1 Squire units to flee, and murdered the Grail Reliquary.

Bless Krell, you absolute monster.

>>54738544
If going with WHFB & End-Times only, he may be fighting even now. Maybe forever.

Going by AoS, he's either still killing daemons like some kind of Dwarf Doomguy or he's the AoS Grimnir who the Slayers are trying to collect.

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>>54739367

The best.

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Why weren't the Norscans set up as the kitbashing race like how the Ogre Maneaters are?

They've ended up almost everywhere in the world at some point, even founding a colony in Lustria, and they've taken wealth from various places. It wouldn't be too surprising to me if they took bits of armor or clothing, as a way of proving their travels when regaling others with their sagas.

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>Finish Giantslayer
>Jump right into Orcslayer to see their journey out of Albion
>First words of the book: "after nearly two decades following the slayer through Araby, Ind and Cathay"
>mfw

What wait what?

Did I mess up somwhere? I have Giantslayer listed as the 7th book and Orcslayer as the 8th.

Okay. So with Norscans, the further north you go, the more Chaos they are.

It stands to reason the further south you go, upon hitting the equator, you'll find the least Chaos-y humans in the world.

Thus I argue that unless you're living on the equator, you are a Chaos scum that needs to be purged.

>>54739576
t. Jafar

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>>54739847
As long as they get even the barest traces of the Mesopotamian aesthetic, I'll be happy. But the skeptical part of me is certain it will just be 'dwarves but with Chaos spikes.'

>>54735384
I agree Solkan is a lie, I disagree that he doesn't exist. After all, they worship Solkan like he's some saviour figure when he's just as bad as the Chaos gods in his own right.

>>54738596
Gotrek ascended, dudebro.

>>54738648
There's your answer. Most of Gotrek's real strength comes from literal god level plot armour. None of that really got translated to the tabletop - so absent Grimnir intervention I'm happy to take a mathhammer ruling.

>>54739441
>Slayers finally reassemble Gotrek
>First words are 'Where is Felix?'
>Infinite Sadness

Although arguably Felix could still be around, caught up in the same geas that propels Gotrek.

>>54739546
That's right. It was done to correct a date glitch in editions and to keep the characters modern. But as a result, there is big chunks of history missing.

On the plus side, it means there is room for more slayer novels.

>>54739540
Honestly I like Norsca as a "sometimes Chaos but not always" thing rather then the newer edition shit of "everything must fit into these tiny, limited, but easily marketable boxes such as Chaos" thing they did.

>>54729541
In my headcanon, the decline of the Karaz Angkor happened--in addition to external factors--because economic contraction caused by regressive tax policies to please merchant guilds.

Thorgrim brought the holds back into resurgence by better balancing the income of guilds and public spending on war and public works.

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>>54739488
Here's Kemmler's actual bodycount. A shame it doesn't show summoned units. Because I would have loved to have seen what Krell's was.

>>54738420
>Boss says it's another ethereal units build.

>*exasperated Ungor noises*

>>54739005
did you save the replay?

>>54740986
The replays are kind of worthless because they just recreate the battle conditions and have the AI fight it instead of actually recording what you did. Its the strangest shit.

>>54741056
what? really? how does that make any sense, it's not a replay then?

>>54740986
I did, but I don't know how to upload it. Truth be told it wasn't an elegant fight. It was just a wounded Kemmler squatting in the woods summoning 5 units of zombies and Krell and waiting until the Brets entered my woods.

>>54741093
file dropper or w/e

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How would an all gobbo army work?

>>54741305
Could base it loosely off the all-Gnoblar rules.

>>54741305
I did it once in a tourney for 7th edition. I beat an army running Teclis and Tirion (Teclis miscast literally 3 times in a row) and an army running 2 steamtanks (pure luck with my bolt throwers), tied with another gobbo army (ironically), and was absolutely and totally stomped by a Dark Elf army.

All in all it was fun, but very very luck dependent.

>>54739033
What mod you using?

>>54737551
>you can pick and choose what you want
Malekith being the Abaddon of wfb is my most precious reality

>Malekith paced back and forth, hands behind his back and staring at his feet as he walked. The bunny slippers he wore gazed longingly back up at him with cheerful, snuggly smiles and glossy black eyes that gleamed with artificial affection. He felt a warming glow fill him with glowing warmth.

http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=56368.0

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This is Malekith. Say something nice about him.

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>>54742298
He loves his mom.

>>54730066
checked

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>>54742298
I can't imagine any other Dark Elf managing to keep that whole shitshow together but him. Not a bad antagonist, better than Archaon - you could even argue that he has a better character than Archaon does, despite their attempts to flesh him out instead of Malekiss.

>>54742376
Whats the General Characterization of Malekith? Is he just a ruthless cocksucker or is it more than that

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>>54742839
Most of it is ruthless cocksucker, cold as ice and smart enough but still needing a bit of direction from his mom in the subtler points of politics and subterfuge. If I remember right, earlier on he was much more angry and less controllable, and it wasn't until he got stuck in the Realm of Chaos for a couple centuries that he cooled down, so he had like half an arc. In the End Times, there's more of him showing a sense of humor, insulting enemies and bashing allies, and I can't say I hate that even if it comes from that point in the lore.

Archaon's characterization mostly relies on his tragic backstory - he hates the Chaos Gods and being forced to be their plaything and the good guy pantheon for not saving him, so he's going to destroy the whole world to save it from all the lies. Otherwise he's just essentially an evil leader of Chaos. Malekith's backstory gives his motivation - he wants to reconquer his birthright and is bitterly focused on it - but he is his own character beyond it, possibly because he's had to take thousands of years to not achieve his goal and instead sulk and plot and deal with other shit. And he's also got some back and forth with his mommy to help flesh him out a little.

Is it amazing? By Sigmar, no. It's generic evil warlord 101. But it, in my mind, is a lot better than the attempt to add depth to Archaon when he didn't really need that depth, and pretty much every other major Chaos character willingly fell and didn't have all the hang ups.

>>54742839
Basically, he thinks he should be in charge because his daddy was, and because mommy kept telling him he should be.

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>>54742376
I think that if people are going for a fallen hero, they should definitely show a lot of their glorious days & the gradual progress into villainy. If anything, I think Arthas is a better done fallen hero than Archaon.

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>>54742953
Evil warhammer characters are either generic warlords, such as Malekith, or Saturday morning cartoon villians, such as Thanquol.

>>54743015
It helps that Arthas did not first appear as a villian.

>>54743025
I think it may be the format but we got to see the individual events which led Arthas to where he is. Actions that, while extreme, can actually be explainable & may have been for the greater good despite the awfulness. As time went on, they got more extreme, more allies abandoned him & he ended up being exactly what he sought to destroy.

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>>54742376
>Archaon novels 2
>Malekith has multiple novel series featuring him or about him
>HURR THEY ARE PUSHING AND FLUSHING ARCHAON MORE THAN MALEKLITH

What untruth you gonna say next? First it was Solkan and it now got to this.

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How does worship of Taal work in the cities? Or is it something that is just only for rural areas, no presence anywhere urban at all?

>>54743015, >>54743060
Arthas would make a decent Warhammer character in the sense that you could see how every choice he made led him further and further down a road he couldn't turn back from, but also how it was his character flaws (ambition, a desire to prove himself a leader, and strong willingness to embrace extremity before considering other options) rather then simply plot devices and random things that happened to him led him to his villainy.
Besides, villain Arthas was way more entertaining, he had a pretty snarky sense of dry humor.

>>54743158
>rather then simply plot devices and random things that happened to him led him to his villainy.
How do you mean by that?

>>54743171
Well, in Warhammer's most obvious context I mean Archaeon.
When he was given a backstory he was not really presented as having any particularly obvious character flaws, but instead shit just happens to him that it is made apparent that he has zero actual control over and this makes him evil.
It's basically a backstory that doesn't require him to have a personality of any kind because in this style of writing pretty much all that matters is what happens to a person rather then the how and the why he reacts to it.

This is possibly because GW's love for Chaos (as easily their most recognizable IP in Warhammer other then orcs) made him the "winner" in their minds and thus showing him as having flaws that led to his "fall" isn't really necessary as him being a villain is a good thing in their eyes as writers.

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>>54742298
He's great at bullying his subordinates.

>>54743171
Not him but Arthas fell because of his personality. His boner for killing Mal'ganis and his increasing ruthlessness culminated to a point where he would do anything to win. Frostmourne being a soul-eating demonic runeblade helped seal the deal, but at that point you could have given him a personal nuke launcher. So long as you say "do as I say and I'll keep you supplied with nukes," Arthas would probably have gone along with it at that point.

Malekith though, so far as I understand, was actually a pretty cool guy until his bloodline's curse flared up. And unfortunately, "muh curse" is more prevalent in warhammer than I'd like. Ironically though it's handled pretty well with the Vampires since their characters aren't defined by their curses or prophecies but how they try struggle to make their own way in life. Mannfred may have been a huge faggot but there's nothing more vampire-core than stabbing Gelt and ending the world. It was still a losing move, but all the same it was the only one which granted him some measure of control over his own destiny.

Someone like Mannfred could never become the Everchosen for that reason, either he fails stupendously or succeeds and overthrows them. Someone susceptible to the temptations of power like Arthas could be. But seeing where they ultimately ended up because of their personalities is what makes them interesting. Hand Waiving away a character's descent because of tainted blood or a book that says "you're the evergay, fuccboi" is lame. And I know it's not that simple for both of them, and in Malekith's case there's plenty of development on him after turning edgy, but their falls from grace could've been way better.

>>54743306
I like to think he fucked her later. Hard.

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>>54743430
He certainly knows how to put a bitch in her place.

>>54741735
>>54739109
He's using Legendary Lords Unique start. It's on the workshop.

My last game I had a fucking based Imperial captain... named Toddbringer.

I headcannoned he was the elector counts cousin or something

Current game is going so-so, nothing amazing going on. But Kislev has mopped the floor with everyone, and Leoun is currently riding around Norsca murdering the fuck out of the Scalings like a one man crusade

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>tfw hype for all the changes coming on the 10th

I wonder how many undocumented changes are coming in this time.

>>54743480
3 days until all my mods fucking break :(

>>54743502
its part of the fun desu.
>your mods get inundated with a bunch of plebs clamouring for day 1 fixes.

>>54743019
New challenge: finding well written warhammer villains.

>>54743595
Grimgor

>>54738648
Gotrek also regenerates

>>54729366
It's pretty much established that Gotrek is the strongest Warhammer Character living

He is, after all, the avatar of Grimnir, he's literally not allowed to die

When people bring up Malekith for some reason Trevor from GTA starts popping into my head

Like if Trevor survived the bad ending where the other playable characters burn him to death with gasoline he comes back covered in a suit of metal made from his truck.

>>54743595
Thanquol is extremely well written, if you keep in mind he's a skaven
Also Drachenfels and Ulrika (for some)
I didn't read many Warhammer novels, but honestly it's pretty easy to write a vampire villain

>>54743502
I'm putting off on getting those games until they are all released, they've gotten rid of the bullshit and finalized the 'combined world map'

>>54743683
Vampires are shit.

Drachenfels would be great as one of those Rogue Armies in TWW2 when they combine the first game into it, would have a unique army made up of units of undead, greenskins and demons pulled from elsewhere.

>>54743080
They have shrines outside of the city. c.f. Bogenhafen.
Talabheim might be an exception to that.

In general the following of Taal is going to be weak in cities, though, yes.

>>54743704
>Vampire are shit

Yes they're fucking bloodsucking vermin, but they are pretty easy to portray as a villain, because you can do whatever the fuck you want with them. They may be sophisticated and bestial as much as you want at any given time. Most others villains have a set of behaviours that forces them into a corner

the only other villain whith as much adaptability as a vampire is the human being

Is there anything explaining queeks trophies a little better? Finished head taker and it's small add on pages. He has krug, ikit slash, (used to have) blacktooth, and some guys pair of hands. Any detail who these might be and why they have a special place on his shoulders? Or was it just good company?
Also am I missing something when he's talking to the elf skull in his chambers? The elf skull is confused on why he's called an elf and Queek just wants to destroy elven cities.

>>54743625
>Grimgor
>Villain
>Pick One

>>54742953
>But it, in my mind, is a lot better than the attempt to add depth to Archaon when he didn't really need that depth
Why not?

>>54743683
Thanquol is colorful but he is completely one-dimensional. He has no depth of character or complex motivations so he can't really play any role other than cartoon villain. The stories that feature him can be fun if you are into sadistic humor but they get repetitive and predictable really fast.

>>54743823
Seems to me you cited all reasons for why hes' such a good character.
No over-complex motives, no shoehorned 'depth' into what is essentially a giant sentient rat. Thanquol is who he is, and doews what he does because he feels like it.
A villain does not always need to be an overarchig 2deep4u character to be a good character.
Trying to make all villains simpathetic and multi-faced is what ruined both malekith and Archaon

>>54743838
I understand what you mean. He's a good and convenient opponent but I was more thinking of the stories that feature him as the central character. He's just too limited to sustain the role of a protagonist.

>>54743838
>>54743876
Sharpwit was probably one of the best written skaven. He did have his own schemes and was actually worthy of his own boasting. He was well apart from other skaven in that he understood other races. It gave him depth and a respectable amount of threat level.

BUT I understand where the other anon mentions simplicity can sometimes be it's own charm. The headtaker was just a mindless brute, actually pretty stupid, but had just a hint of somthing that made you question if he really was as mindless as he let on. He wanted nothing more then to fight strong things, and that in itself is great for preventing plot holes
>so why the fuck would you want to even go here queek?
>because I want to fuck it up

How long do Skaven live, not counting the constant risk of backstabbing in their society?

>>54743914
20-25 years most accounts seem to say, though council of 13 and some chosen skaven are effectively immortal as long as they have the horned rats favor

>>54743838
So you consider complete simple and one dimensional villains as well written?

>>54744041
Depends on the villain, but to answer your question, yes, sometimes it works
All warhammer villains would probably fare better if they were one dimensional villains with simple, unapolgetic and uncomplicated goals and motives.
They simply don't have the structure to support a deeper characterisation

>>54743914
Skaven have that thing similar to Tau where an individual usually lives as long as he's needed.
A 20 years skaven is already very old, on average, but clanrats and slaves usually live much less, around 10-15 years

>>54744064
Warhammer is better when its about the armies more than the individual special characters of the setting.

The whole armies are your cast, each coming with untold possibilities for the people who build their own within each of them, this isn't Lord of the Rings.

>>54744064
By structure, do you mean the warhammer universe in itself? If yes I sort of agree. At its core, the setting is about various races and factions being engaged in ceaseless war. This is fine but the material doesn't lend itself to excessive subtlety.

>>54744203
To be fair, i would've enjoyed a novel about Karl Franz managing the empire and having to deal with some beaurocracy, or a tale of how Ungrim struggles to keep his sanity, torn between his slayer oath an his duty as king. But yeah, such individual vovels should involve in a bigger spectrum of battles, or big events seen from the eyes of such characters.

Gotrek & Felix were so good because they explored the parts of warhammer that weren't 'war', but such characters would fare poorly in a wargame. They're more like RPG characters, with their own story being the focus

>>54744074
How fast do they mature exactly? I think I've seen it mentioned somewhere that if they lose an army they can just breed another one in a few years like nothing happened.

>>54744255
Yes, sort of. The warhammer univers, as you stated doesn't allow much sublety. You can fill it with flavour text and novels, and try and build a real, functioning world around the core concept. But the characters involved in such great designs are poor choices of characters. malekith, Archaon, Thanquol, but even Karl Franz and Tyrion make for poor protagonist in a story that is not their own. They work better as simple, straight characters with few distinctive characteristics that one can work himself around.
Individually, they'd work better in a smaller scope.

Have an example: Archaon works better when he's portrayed as an uncomplicated bringer of doom. he's THE evil guy of the setting. He doesn't need any particular motivation or backstory, he's a miniature in a wargame. Trying to portray Archaon as a more complex character in relation to his role on the table is stupid, it sounds stupid. His backstory is unnecessary, his angst sounds like a forced 2deep4u attempt to give depth to something that doesn't hav, or need, any.

Archaon would work much better in his own context. I think I would've enjoyed much more a story about him struggling to bend all the warring tribes of the North to his will and qualm century-old feuds. He's a lord, a champion of the gods, tasked with the ungrateful duty of uniting all these shitheads and prevent they don't kill eachother before they get to kill the enemy. despite not having a backstory, it would make him look human, in the 'even the chosen of the gods must deal with this shit' way.

Same thing for Malekith. I would've enjoyed a novel on how he struggles to keep his domain over the dark elves, forced to fight off High Elves agents and other DE who wish to take his place. He's unrepentantly evil, but he's not stupid (sort of)

>>54744300
well they're rats, so i guess they breed and develop very quickly.
I don't think it's openly stated somewhere, but i think it's safe to assume a skaven can become a full adult in one to three years. They sure as hell learn very quickly, and own a natural cunning that makes them quick-witted.

Just as they age, i guess a skaven matures more or less quickly depending on what their role in their society is. Slaves grow fast and die faster. Stormvermin and lords probably mature a bit more slowly, but this last part is headcanon, so take it as you want

>>54744300
The in-character section of Children of the Horned Rat says that male skaven take five years to reach maturity and female skaven take two.

Although this contradicts some other stuff slightly, like Queek Headtaker already being an established warrior when he was four years old.

>>54744326
I quite liked the Six Treasures of Chaos thing with Archaon. They're like a dark mirror to the Labours of Hercules.

But then Hercules isn't a 'good character' either. He's a mythic archetype, and that's how Warhammer special characters work too.

>>54744368
I suspect diet plays a massive role - doubly so for the importance of warpstone in their diet.

>>54744326
>Archaon works better when he's portrayed as an uncomplicated bringer of doom.
To be fair, the Empire being partly fault for his betrayal is pretty in alignment to Warhammer lore in that many times shit things happened because the good guys were irrational and fuck it up.
Like the beard wars.

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>>54739005
I was ambushed one time by Beastmen where I just had cheap filler infantry and one vampire.

My entire army was wiped. I set the speed up to maximum and the vampire managed to break the morale of both Minotaur units and then chase Ungor herds around until they broke. It was like 300 against 1 and he pulled it off. Even took 50 of them captive for shits and giggles. That fucking count.

>>54744597
>eat da ded humies :--DDDD
>ohhh fugggg :---DDD

>>54744597
Khazrak is just that useless.

>>54744650
t. jelly ungor

>>54744597
So in this game you have to have an actual lord leading armies? You cannot just form one and have the game consider a generic captain to be the commanding officer.

>>54744796
Lord units can be renamed into different stuff, but their initial unique traits are always randomly generated in-game and their appearances are fixed. Captains are Hero units and can indeed be put into armies (a lot are pretty effective fighters too), but they cannot lead armies themselves.

That said, pretty much every Hero unit in the game has a Lord version of it somewhere.

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>yfw you can't settle a grudge for 7000 years

Poor Malekith.

>>54743595
Vlad's pretty alright.

>>54745249
>Vlad
>Villain

Pick one

>>54745352
>>54745249
>Vampire = Shit

>>54745022
He should get over it.
I mean what does he want to be, a dwarf?

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>>54745022
Aye, leave it to a shifty knife ear to not settle a grudge properly.

No wonder they thought we would never get vengeance.

>>54743704
I'd like to see Kemmler on his own, runs VC units, but is a Horde army. It just seems unlike him to be shacking up with Mannfredd 24/7 helping him take over the Empire.

>>54744597
So what did you do? Off Khazrak first, which made everyone else's morale easier to break?

But yeah, Vamp lords are seriously badass. I had the Red Duke almost do the same thing once.

All humans dissappear overnight.
How does the world change?

>>54745862
Elves become relevant.

>>54745862
chaos is fucked initially. The dwarfs and elves have their societies collapse because their largest trading partners have gone. Gobbos and beasties fight over the remnants of the old world.

>>54745862
Depends if the various flavours of undead count as human. If not, then Vamps eventually starve and devolve into blood-starved beasts, and Tomb Kings reclaim the Old World. Lizardmen can easily get their shit back. Greenskins try to expand into former human territories. Chaos probably tries to focus on elves for corruption fodder. Or beastmen if they didnt count as human.

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would you racemix with an elf? think of your son. would it be worth it?

>>54745937
What would you get if a dwarf and an elf boned?

>>54745937
Grail Knights are cool, but what Warhammer really needs is Kamen Riders

>>54745937
They rae not real in my headcanon, so no.

>>54745957
orc

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>>54745968
this is the correct answer

>>54745968
You have no son in your headcannon?

Fucking savage, anon.

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>>54745982
dawi should constantly have a cigar in their mouth. yes or no?

>>54743595
Thanquol
Vlad von Carstein
Malus Darkblade

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>>54746024
That's silly, real olden day men smoke pipes.

>>54743080
Worship of Taal in outright cities is weak, because it's religiously inappropriate. The main shrine's usually gonna be outside the city.

>>54745937
Biggest question is "would an elf race mix with you?", and the answer is always no unless you're a woman then it's "probably not".

>>54746201
>implying its a choice on the elven whores part

this would be one of the reasons its not wose to have female troops. now you have a lot of pow prime elven tang to rape

>>54745937
Yes it would. So much.

>>54746269
i dont understand. explain

>>54744442
Makes kinda sense. Skaven fight all their lives and considering queek is no. 2 of his clan means he's damn good at it.

>>54746054
Pretty sure Dwarfs smoke pipes. I recall in Gotrek and Felix whenever dwarfs got together they either drink lots of ale or gather round and light up their pipes.

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>>54746235
>being an Arabyan

>>54746269
why do you post like youre on reddit?

>>54746269
>Yes it would. So much.
>a 90lbs sticc female cant be physically forced to be still because YAAAS QWEEN ALL MEN MUST DIE

>>54746282
>would it be worth it?
>it would
???

>>54745937
Thanks for bringing all this edge into this thread.
>muh rape

>>54746282
Forever tight elven pussy.

>>54735713
Now I want to play at that time.

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>>54746960
>racemix = rape
What?

>>54747174
An anime elf makes it only worse.

>>54729366
Found a wrapped Necrosphynx. How much do these things sell for? I don't play Tomb Kings and I'd rather sell it anyway.