Bait of Konor

>>54727725
>Not only Xenos seem to be largely pro-Imperium in this campaign
That's what happens when you demote them to NPC races. Maybe GW will learn from this next time they run one of these.

>>54727725
>Not only Xenos seem to be largely pro-Imperium
Even the Xenos seek to emulate he who they wish to be their spiritual liege.

Chaos stands a chance of winning in the second planet. The UK/world side has Chaos dominating. The major issue is that US side is dragging Chaos too hard. The US were the main reason Chaos lost in the first planet when the EU and UK/DAWARDU were pushing up towards a tie.

You want to fix the campaign? Remove the US region or merge it with another region.

Won't they just have the result they want anyway?
Like that did with that other global campaign that went the opposite direction that they had hoped for.
>>54727783
Also this, I'm fucking sick of all this IoM and Chaos shit,

GIVE ME SOME NEW FUCKING ASPECT WARRIOR SCUPLTS YOU FUCKING HACKS

Chaos really shouldn't win. Nu-chaos is the single worst thing to have ever happened to 40k. Nu-chaos is the real reason why Xenos have been demoted to NPC's.

>>54727783
How do we fix the NPC races?

>>54727915
Can you elaborate on this outrageous claim?

>>54727863
Turning from Imperium dominating to Chaos dominating isn't 'fixing' shit, hell it's not even an issue, Imperium successfully defends one system this campaign, in a couple of years time there will be another campaign where Imperium will get fucked.

>>54727932
Not him but Chaos has always been an annoyance to most races, just like all those races have also been an annoyance to each other. A proper threat but 1 of many
Now all of a sudden they're the big bad, responsible for everything that has gone wrong and shoehorned into every conflict. Apparently even the War in Heaven.

>>54727932
Making Chaos all powerful, and everything revolving around them, they have completely taken the bite out of the Xenos as being a credible threat. When everything is predetermined to fall out in Chaos favor, why even concentrate on threats like Tyranids and Necrons?

Eldar might be the only exception, since they seem to have pretty big spot-light in this new shitty storyline.

>>54727958
It won't be Chaos dominating. Notice that I didn't EU should be removed despite the Imperium dominating there. UK/World and EU regions are more or less evened with Chaos and Imperium having chance at seizing the lead. The US region is abysmal and is dragging the whole campaign into being one sided. If the US region didn't exist (cause of a Korean nuclear holocaust for example), then the campaign would be a nail better. More tense and fun for all involved.

>Konor

Who wins on Konor will be given an advantage in the coming narrative story of Ultramar round 2. It's not just a system. It's gonna influence where the story goes.

>>54728019
nail bitter*

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>>54727987
>When GW created Chaos they inserted the concept of it being the originator and destructor of all that exists.
>A Force of entropy that cannot be stopped. Fighting against it only makes it stronger
>The Undead were introduced as the counter of Chaos. The only faction with the ability to stop Chaos. They realising of their plans would create a gray sterile world of unchanging order. The anathema of Chaos

>Years later, Chaos was ported to 40K
>After some years, it was decided thatto add in the anti-Chaos faction aka Undead which happened to translate into 40K as the Necrons.
>The Necrons in their 3th ED incarnation were the opposite of everything Chaos stood for and equally as threatening. A monolithic force of metallic revenants led by Star Vampires whose goal to seal Chaos away and usher an age of colourless and eternal order to the galaxy. They were the anathema to Chaos and its end.

>Some years later,
>Anons : WAH WAH WAH WAH we don't like the Necrons
>GW in 5th ED utterly rewrote the story of the Necrons
>Scaling down their threat to the setting by large magnitudes making they a disjointed collection of infighting kingdom ruled by cripplingly mad monarchs
>Their all powerful material gods humbled and reduced to sharded slaves
>their anti-warp technology being retconned to being less effective than the warding spells of the psyker races
>their method of travel was reworked to be the Webway to cripple their movement in the setting
>their rivalry with Chaos scrubbed in favour of making them the rival of the Tyranids
>effectively, the Necrons were neutered as a opposing faction for Chaos. Allowing Chaos to run roughshot on the setting unopposed

And who is to blame? You guys.

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>>54728201
>WAH WAH WAH WAH we don't like the Necrons
None of us asked for tomb kings in space, we just wanted more units

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>>54728321
I hope you were satisfied with what you got.

>>54728372
Wish GW had went with a more machine less piloted thing with some of the Crons vehicles.
A lord should be able to get of his Barge but the pilots should be hard wired in, no legs, hell not even arms just a control module.

Tomb blades should have been wraiths/AI units, not piloted wheels.

>>54727725
Was there even a chance for chaos to win to begin with? Just look at the only cheese unit they had now reduced to a flying pile of shit. BS4 and a heavy weapon that will hit on 5+ on the move. It's not hard to hit and can be charged any given time. The weapon can be changed to a flamer that doesn't ignore cover for almost double the cost of the default weapon. What the hell?

>>54728997
Hell turkey are good though.
They move 30" turn one, fire off a flamer with enough power to wipe a TEQ/biker squad and then charge. When it most likely survives to the next turn you disengage from combat and flame another unit.

>>54728201
>>Anons : WAH WAH WAH WAH we don't like the Necrons
Who the fuck didn't like necrons?
if anything people didn't like the limited roster and motivations on top the c'tan being little less than chaos gods proxies, which further proves that people find chaos as it's currently being treated extremely unfun.
the change into newcrons had good directions but exaggerated.

just like how GW exaggerated in having the chaos gods push a cohesive agenda and restricting or straight up removing anyone else from having a setting relevant appearance and opportunity.


as always, carnac, your sources are incomplete and your conclusions shortsighted.

>>54728019
Top kek, you're such a butthurt retard. The NA region is actually more contested than the EU, and has been for both planets.
Stay obsessed.

>>54728201
Completely untrue. Back in 4th/5th every faction had win conditions and Chaos could be beaten- in fact it's one of the reasons the Chaos Gods put so much into the heresy. They were starving at the time.

Necrons were rewritten because people kept complaining their whole schtick was "immortal terminators who will win, lol, better hope Void Dragon doesn't wake up ;)" 4th Ed Necrons were basically what Chaos is now.

>>54729107
As a veteran of thousands oldcron vs newcron, you are wrong. I nee to make a big post for this but currently busy. See after class in an hour.

>>54729094
Only on lucky rolls. D6 Auto-hits, 3+ to wound and -2 on the save without ignoring cover - if the terminators just sit around in cover it will be only -1. So you have 3 hits on average with 1.5 wounds on average that will be saved 50% of the time. What a deal. With mediocre rolls you may kill some terminators in cc but they will rip the dragon another asshole to the front.

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>>54729392
If only the Vodi Dragon had woke before they were redone.

>>54727725
Imperium is by far the most populous and numerous faction. Of the newest models, Imperium models are easier to paint (no weird flesh tones, no extra spikes and details) gaining more points for painting.
Xenos would rather join the winning team as they feel left out.

>>54729451
It would have been pretty sweet. I think the consensus was it would cause the AdMech to Fracture and Necrons would get the lightning warriors described in the Codex.

Of course, others thought that it would also get a face full of Astronomicon the instant it left Mars.

>>54729588
>Of course, others thought that it would also get a face full of Astronomicon the instant it left Mars.

It always surprise me how little people know about the fluff. The light of the Astronomicon is in the Warp, not real space. The Void Dragon shard can crack Terra in half and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

>>54729392
>Back in 4th/5th every faction had win conditions and Chaos could be beaten

Let me just the 6th ED, 7th ED, and 8th ED rulebooks quick. Ohhh....It looks their text says that these factions still have their win conditions/ So what the fuck were you complaining about. There is no had in this.

> in fact it's one of the reasons the Chaos Gods put so much into the heresy. They were starving at the time.

This is fabrication.

>Necrons were rewritten because people kept complaining their whole schtick was "immortal terminators who will win, lol, better hope Void Dragon doesn't wake up ;)" 4th Ed Necrons were basically what Chaos is now.

You mean it had a win condition like any other faction but unlike any other faction it was more detailed. It wasn't just "all unite or they arrive". It was a step by step process similar to Chaos.

Dude, you shot yourself in the foot and presented the case that there is nothing wrong with the lore of Chaos.

>>54727725
Chaosfags complain incessantly whenever they lose. How can one fan base be so entitled across the board?

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Yesterday I walked into my GW and the event for the day was a big apocalypse match where big vics and lords of war were free but everyone was free to bring 65 power of small things and infantry/elites or whatever else they wanted. It was along slog of a match with an enforced 30 minute timer for each turn. In order for maximum effect for every 10 victory points scored by a side Store Manager recorded 1 victory for that side The final score was 105 Chaos 113 Imperium. Chaos would have claimed the overall victory if the "Units left in defenders deployment zone alive" rule gave us one point PER unit alive and not just one point if any were in there. Dumping photos taken during.

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>>54729869

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>>54729869
The fliers didnt last too long

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>>54729869
I wasnt excepting an apocalypse game when I walked in

>>54729893
>Eldar Fighting Alongside Necrons and Chaos against Imperium

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>>54729869
Our warlord was, surprise, the titan

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>>54729869

>54729432
>54729107
Ere we go.
>Who the fuck didn't like necrons?
Plenty of dweeps. The guys who kept harping about the shoehorning and all that junk. Primarily Eldarfags. They didn't understand that the Necrons were created to fill the holes that would have been taken over by Chaos. Now Chaos was overrun the setting background since it has to compositor as the prime-mover and facilitator of the lore.

Then you have the DIVERSITY crowd who are a plague in their own right. No matter how many times it was explained to them that the Oldcron diversity problem could have been cured in a way that maintained their themology and integrity, insist that the Newcron retcon was perfect in every way despite what a woeful hackjob it was. These guys can be found fapping to Trazyn. You saying that the Newcron had a good direction shows DISMAL knowledge who much the Newcron lore went out of its way to lovingly ruin even the most basic elements of the Necrons (being a silent army for example).

>top the c'tan being little less than chaos gods proxies,

Could only be applied to the Deceiver and only superficially. The Nightbringer was just a godly serial killer. The other two C'tan were never expanded on.

The Deceiver's role being the chief "on the grounds" manipulator of the setting was inhered by Be'lakor and you know how small minded fools react to him.

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>>54729869
This thing babysat my high command by being really stompy

>>54729979
> which further proves that people find chaos as it's currently being treated extremely unfun.

Chaos was the way it was since day one. Because of modernization and the ease of releasing tons of content in short period of time. Chaos that gets most of the attention among the bad guy faction got the most development which inevitably requires some amping up. Due to the failure of the Necrons as being accepted being major villain faction in 3th ED and 4th ED, GW halted pushing any of the antag factions. The playerbase dispute having a whining vocal minority will never accept anything but Chaos as the ultimate bad guy. This creates a vicious cycle.

>just like how GW exaggerated in having the chaos gods push a cohesive agenda

The Chaos Gods in 8th ED are anything but cohesive.

>restricting or straight up removing anyone else from having a setting relevant appearance and opportunity.

The bad reception of the oldcrons resulted in this but factions still possess their win conditions. They are just as not progressed or expolred as Chaos because you guys mad GW scared to invest in any other bad guy faction.GW is sticking to what they know. I will write show you in the next post how GW utterly flipped the lore out of fear.

tl;dr it was your faults. You spoke with your words and wallets. GW answered.

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>>54729869
I had never seen titans before and this picture really helps determine scale.

>>54728201

This is revisionist post made by someone who never actually played who experienced Necrons through 3rd, 4th and up to 5th edition.

>>54729917
>armorcast titan
That thing is probably older than me and it's still not painted.

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>>54729869
game was really fun. we recorded 10 chaos victories and 11 imperium for the sake of the campaign. We just didnt have the numbers to out kill-y enough of the imperiums things.

>>54730028
I don't think I've ever seen any of the old Armorcast kits painted

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Who gives a shit? I'm so tired of chaos after End Times. I don't want to see chaos win anything for at least a couple years.

>>54729869
>all those stacks of ugly boxes

Apocalypse games on a non scenic board always look like shit

>>54728019

>muh plastic mans aren't winning
>why can't USA just get bombed reeeeeeee

Maybe this is why Xenos players aren't backing Chaos

>>54730002
So the Necrons getting a rewrite justifies the Tyranids being placed entirely on the backburner?

Because I strictly remember 3rd/4th most people saw them as the biggest threat, followed by the Necrons.

Chaos was dangerous but was also limited by its ultimately symbiotic relationship with the galaxy, with the biggest threat being Abaddon breaking through Cadia.

>>54730035
cool, looks like it was fun

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>>54730021
And that's ad hom.

>>54730002
continued....

Lets examine the narrative of EoT vs FoC when it came to the Necrons.

In EoT, Necrons hosts were streaming to the Cadian system ignoring the Imperium and fighting off Chaos to reach their objective of protecting the pylons and destroying the the Blackstone Fortresses which were at the time the only means of which the Necron could be stopped. Eldrad's entire involvement in EoT wasn't about fighting Chaos. It was about foiling the C'tan's plans and securing the Blackstone Fortreses before the Necrons got to them.

There were legions of Necrons scattered around the Cadian Gate in EoT. Wanna guess how many Necrons were in the Cadian Gate in FoC? A grand total of....1. Only Trazyn. Apparently the Necron dynasty gave zero fucks about the fate of the pylons and minus fucks about the Blackstone Fortresses. The Necron involvement in the Cadian saga which was substantial in the past is now insulting minimal with Trazyn being there on a whim.

This extends to the whole Newcron lore which seem bent on lowering the Necron involvement in the fight against Chaos as low as possible. Newcron are virtually nonexist in the main "everyone vs Chaos" storyline wih their current lore pushing them to more infighting and working against the Tyranids which is mind numbing nonsensical.

>>54730074
It's a fucking joke. Comedic exaggeration. Get over yourself. Just little livid that our American comrades are underpreforming like usual

>>54727725
>Does Chaos stand a single chance of winning?
nope

>>54727797
t. Matt Ward

>>54727863
>Remove the US region
...f-from the planet?

>>54730145
>the Tyranids being placed entirely on the backburner?

How are they placed in the backburner? One of the major opening events of 8th Ed, that future generations will remember as the "Battle for Macragge" of modern 40K, is the Devastation of Baal. Then you have the Orks and Tyranids fighting off the Blood Crusade in Octaria. The line of the arrived fleets being a tip of the massive Tyranid main fleet is restated in the 8th ed rulebook/index. The Tyranids received more lore than any other xenos faction below the Aledari.

You want something at the backburner? It's the Necrons. There is no 8th ED even to their name. You are spoiled.

>Chaos was dangerous but was also limited by its ultimately symbiotic relationship with the galaxy,

Never been truly true. Open your 2nd Codex Imperialis book. Scroll to the deadly evolution section.

Chaos players need to unload their artillery, Soul Grinders en mass will bombard imperials!

>>54730339
No-one's going to remember the Devastation of Baal fondly because its conclusion was "Bobby G turns up with the chadmarines and saved everyone"

>>54730339
>Baal

BTFO by Khorne's Cicatrix Pub Crawl and Guilliman

>Octarius

No change since 3rd. Again "slaughtered" by Khorne Demons until they left.


Neither of those even matter.

>>54729979
>people didn't like necrons because they were like chaos

>the direction wasn't good because the exaggeration wasn't good

>only the expanded upon c'tan was like chaos; and only small minded people don't like that anyway

>>54730002
>chaos and the npcs were always like this because when they weren't (((they))) would whine

>the chaos gods aren't cohesive especially in the edition where they are described as willing to always join forces to eat the universe and actually described as doing it

>only the expanded upon factions have expanded upon goals but only because the writers want to expand on them, but it's YOUR fault

>inb4 EYE OF TERROR WAS AN INSIDE JOB

your arguments are nonsensical crap that only makes sense to a troll that mistakenly end up believing what he vomited to bait anons


When GW sticks to what they know they do shit, because they don't actually know: they don't do market researches and only analyse their own past data falling into the obvious feedback loop of producing more of what they produce more and producing less of what they produced less, because guess what? assuming similar efforts in quality, shit ends up selling more if it had more support.

for years GW "knew" genestealer cults were an outdated concept that wouldn't sell
for years GW "knew" that specialist games were an inefficient product
for years GW "knew" that social media contact with the playerbase was counterproductive
for years GW "knew" that licensing their stuff to competent studios would damage their profits

>>54729869
which GW was that?

>>54728201
They should have just added more C'tan, instead of hyping up 4 "Not-Chaos" god ones, and than making half of the four locked away. Plus, that makes fielding the 2 free ones feel kinda whimpy.

It's like if you made it so that Nyarlathotep and Shub-niggurath are the only two gods left in the Mythos, and could be driven away by a bunch of tanks and bombs.

C'tan should have all been united, but also had their Pantheon filled out. There were a unknown number of C'tan, and each one was shaped to look like a Necrontyr god. Give them each their own goals, and their prefered way to eat the life force of mortals, and make a HQ kit /profile for them. That way, you get to have more flavor for your army, while keeping the Oldcron feel.

>>54729588
>>54729628

Honestly a good plot point would have the void dragon ally itself with the imperium.
It wouldn't want to return to the necrons to become a slave, it has a metric fuck ton of worshippers, and nigh impenetrable protection from the necrons.

plus I am in desprite need of new AdMech models that won't come because chad-marines

>>54730339
>How are they placed in the backburner?
>Devastation of Baal
>chaos shows up for no reason apart from needing to say they are the more important enemy to the blood angels

>Octaria
>chaos shows up for no reason apart from needing to say they are just as much, no, achtually the more stronger force amidst a clash of xenos

really makes you think

>>54727783
Yeah I can just imagine GW sitting there going "Oh no our favorite faction won everything this needs to be changed!"

Not going to happen. This sweeping imperial victory just saves them the trouble of having to write up some deus ex bullshit about how the Imperium got out of this defeat.

>>54730553
The Dragon sticking with Humanity would be pretty cool. It has everything it could want.

>>54730643
except absolute control and not having the guy that kicked you off to mars as coworker

>>54730469
>>the chaos gods aren't cohesive especially in the edition where they are described as willing to always join forces to eat the universe and actually described as doing it

Dude, 8th ED Chaos lore started with the 13th Black Crusade breaking up into a backstabbing/infighting mess with warbands disappearing into a warpstorm ravaged galaxy. The Gods each walked away fro the accord to pursue their agendas and pleasures. The unity of Chaos did not last a moment after Cadia as cleaved in half.

>>people didn't like necrons because they were like chaos

I said they were the opposite Chaos.

>only the expanded upon c'tan was like chaos;

Being a schemer equals not Chaos.

>and only small minded people don't like that anyway

Not like Be'lakor. Dude, follow the text.

>>only the expanded upon factions have expanded upon goals but only because the writers want to expand on them, but it's YOUR fault

Laurie Goulding kept saying that everything GW retcons and changes is done to push internal setting logic and also most importantly for market and IP appeal. For that they must check their playerbase for data and feedback. The change towards a massive push for Chaos wasn't done under the old management which you loath. It is under the newer management that listens and gave you the four things you asked for and more. You know what that means? Modern GW through their data believes that the Chaos push fits the current market appeal. So how can it not be your fault?

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>>54730557
>>54730448
>>54730376
>Our faction may never suffer defeats ever. It must be allowed to steamrolled over anything
>We can't be slaughtered like any other faction because are are special you see.
>Octaria is a win unless its inconvenient for me

You guys I just can't.

>its conclusion was "Bobby G turns up with the chadmarines and saved everyone"

And then the cavalry arrived. Par the course for Tyranids battles really.

>>54730811
its fine when your faction gets defeated dude, its not fine when it happens all the time and without any explanation, Tyranids get BTFO by everything and sometimes is just a mention in a codex and that's it

>>54730840
Tyranids lost one major battle in 8th ed.

Chaos lost on Biel-Tan. It lost on Maccrage. It lost again on Maccrage. New SM codex fluff is almost exclusively about them defeating Chaos. It goes on and on.

Step your losing up, senpai.

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>>54730903
Continued....

And here is your explanation. A full length novel written by the best Tyranid writer that BL has. It's more than many factions got. Like i said you are all spoiled as hell. Win or lose, I would kill for some Necron lore right about now.

>The Blood Angels Chapter of Space Marines is under threat. Having obliterated all human life in the Red Scar region of space, the largest tendril of Hivefleet Leviathan ever seen in the Imperium has converged and is making relentlessly for Baal.

>To face this awesome foe, Commander Dante has called upon the Successor Chapters of the ancient Ninth Legion. The Sons of Sanguinius gather in numbers not seen since the dark days of the Horus Heresy. Thirty thousand Space Marines stand ready to thwart the Great Devourer, save the homeworld of their primarch, and prevent the consumption of billions in the Ultima Segmentum beyond.

>But the tyranid swarm numbers in the trillions, and they are not the only danger to the Chapter’s future. As the galaxy slides toward a terrifying new era, events far away threaten to unleash a greater evil. A further enemy must also be overcome, that of the Black Rage that lurks in the souls of all Sanguinius’s bloodline.

>>54730959

>trillions of Tyranids snuffed out by a giant demon with an axe

>>54731038
And a warp storm fart!

>>54730698
>but, you see, they also infight :^)
the infighting is inconsequential to their official stance of everything going just as planned, except for the primarines

>opposite of chaos
it's you who said they fill a niche that would be occupied by chaos, make up your mind

>schemer is not chaos
no, sorry they are just NOT!chaos, instilling concepts in the psyche of races, just as planning treachery and mutating humans to their ends

>not like be'lakor
why do you think people harbor different feelings for something that acts like it? be'lakor is worse, sure, but the c'tan too have their reasons to be shat on, and some happen to be the same

>For that they must check their playerbase for data and feedback.
that would be logical, but they didn't, as a matter of fact many if not all of the "faithful and actual retellings" that happen in the fluff are the brainstorming of a restricted circle whom decisions are more often than not net with opposition by the fans.

>The change towards a massive push for Chaos wasn't done under the old management which you loath. It is under the newer management.
Wrong, the roots of the current change lie way beyond any time frame the current management may have had to influence it
current management is responsible for deals, pushing media contact and at best specialist game, since their announcement coincided with the shift.

>So how can it not be your fault?
because feedback loop, I already told you that but you pretended it didn't exist, assuming they did market researches when they admitted on their own to not do them

>>54731038
>>54731168
The Tyranids brought the bloodline of angel to its knees. Decimated a force of 30K marines, and you guys focus on how they lost? The battle was more epic than that time with Behemoth.

>>54730811
Your strawmanning are shit, carnac

people wanted an appropriately climatic event, instead they got a deus ex that explicitly went against the premises that were set for the situation

>>54731275
>The battle was more epic than that time with Behemoth.
a story with a shitty ending is a shitty story


at least the gimmick to defeat behemoth involved the established trope of the heroic sacrifice to hit the bullseye

baal literally went
>and then they dieded of heart attack

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>>54727783
Xenos are npc races though?
They are all minor threats not worth thinking about militarily too much on the galactic scale or forces of nature more akin to natural disasters than motivated characters.
There is a reason chaos Xenos are rarely ever mentioned and it's because only the protaganist (imperium) gets to fight the true threat of the main antagonist (the corrupt nature man).

Random space bloogies simply aren't allowed to be main characters in 40k. The only one even close to it is the eldar but their only purpose is to serve as a bad example for humanity to avoid following

>>54731312
I'll wait for the novel to drop before making any judgement based a on the anemic description of the rulebook.

>instead they got a deus ex

And how is this different than any other time it happened to the Tyranids?

>premises that were set for the situation

The premise is that as the Fall of Cadia went down in tandem with the Devastation of Baal. Which we always knew since like 5th ED. And what else we know? Ka'Bandha was making his way to Baal. in 8th ed, He found Tyranids in the way and he killed them.

>>54731363

I'd honestly rather have seen the blood angels fight off the tyranids by themselves rather than getting saved by robot gorrilaman

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>>54731365
don't really care about this NPC obsession desu
40,000 is a shit tier story anyway, I'm just in it for the models

Riptide Buffs incoming. GW seen how insufferable their own Space Marine fanbase is getting now and make things right again. :)

Tau basically confirmed to win a huge victory against Chad Marines now and be their first big defeat as usual.

Tau solely exist to kick the shit out of the IoM and Space Marines at this point to keep their big ego's in check.

The natural order of the universe is reestablishing itself.

>>54731272
>the infighting is inconsequential to their official stance of everything going just as planned,

What just as planned? 8th ED shows that the Chaos Gods are like children that were suddenly let into a toy store. There is no plan other than having fun. Abaddon has/had a plan. We'll have to wait for the CSM codex to know what became of it.

>it's you who said they fill a niche that would be occupied by chaos

The niche of being the main bad guy. They go on it opposite to Chaos.

>NOT!chaos, instilling concepts in the psyche of races

Because reality warping is beyond a being whose power is only limited by his imagination.

>just as planning treachery

Chaos has no monopoly on it.

>and mutating humans to their ends

Gene-manipulation is a form science. The C'tan were known to engineer races to serve their ends. Though, mainly to feed on them.

>but the c'tan too have their reasons to be shat on, and some happen to be the same

Reasons seem contrived. It looks you are inventing reasons just to force yourself to hate them.

>that would be logical, but they didn't, as a matter of fact many if not all of the "faithful and actual retellings" that happen in the fluff are the brainstorming of a restricted circle whom decisions are more often than not net with opposition by the fans.
>assuming they did market researches when they admitted on their own to not do them

That's tinfoily. Got proof?

>Wrong, the roots of the current change lie way beyond any time frame the current management may have had to influence it

Even if we assume that's true, then the current management are continuing to walk the Chaos brick road. Now why would they do that if there is no profit in it?

>>54731391
>And how is this different than any other time it happened to the Tyranids?
that it went against the premises of the event, can you even read?

The invasion of hive fleet leviathan was hyped to be but one tendril of the main fleet growing enough to be able to challenge Baal
But then they pretended the whole hive fleet just converged

It was set up at a moment when it would be difficult to receive reinforcements because of the shadow, then the other wars, then the rift
but then they handwaved everything with guilliman simply walking straight to the battlezone, through the rift, after hearing the signals of help and with a fresh army

it was supposed perhaps the biggest showdowns of the blood angels against the tyranids
and then GW shoehorned chaos into it
what even are the reasons for people to NOT be disappointed by such a story?

>>54730811
Dude, when have the tyranids EVER had a victory?

>>54731554
Didn't they win in IA IV?

>>54731588
>IA IV
So one time in a forge world book?

Thirty years worth of writing and they've won ONE TIME?

>>54731554
In their backstory.

Nids were made to job.

>>54731611
Pretty much. It sucks right?

>>54731617
Same with every other Xenos faction, to be honest.

I just want to see the imperium lose once in a while.

>>54731546
>The invasion of hive fleet leviathan was hyped to be but one tendril of the main fleet growing enough to be able to challenge Baal
>But then they pretended the whole hive fleet just converged

No, no, no. The size of Cryptus tendril was never stated before. 8th ED revealed that tendril to be the main body of the fleet. The Dante novel expanded on things by hinting that the Hivemind has a sense of vindictiveness towards the Blood Angels which could explain why the Tyranid zoned in on Baal with such force.

>but then they handwaved everything with guilliman simply walking straight to the battlezone

There is no handwave. The Great Rift has temporary and permanent gabs in it. Girly could have used any of them to navigate towards Baal. It was known before Cadia fell that the Blood Angels were about to be besieged by the Tyranids. You think Girly would allow the Angels to fall?

>it was supposed perhaps the biggest showdowns of the blood angels against the tyranids

And it bloody was. The Tyranids decimated a force 30K marines. The Angels were nearly brought to extinction (for the millionth time tehe~).

>and then GW shoehorned chaos into it

All factions suffered from the birth of the Great Rift. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL. Besides, the seeds of Leviathan's destruction was planted in Shadowbrink which ended with the vanquished daemons plotting the downfall of the fleet.

You think actions shouldn't have consequences?

>what even are the reasons for people to NOT be disappointed by such a story?

Because it's a typical Tyranids invasion story and it will have kickass novel written about it.

>>54727725
>all this fighting about Nu-Chaos

Just go Iron Warriors and spend your time just trying to kick one particular chapter in the nutsack and have 0 interest in furthering the Nurgle/Slaanesh/Tzneetch/Khorne agenda.

>>54731554
Fucks sake, everything from the arrival of fleet X to its defeat is full of victories. You only focus on how hive fleets journeys ended rather than focusing on the journey itself.

>>54730688

Everyone has to make sacrifices.

>>54731758
>could you make a fortress strong enough those guys couldn't take it?
>sure
>10,000 years and one failed siege of said fortress later
>I'm so fucking bitter, fists must die
What a great subfaction.

>>54731526
>What just as planned?
The crimsom path
it's inevitable you said, it can't be stopped you said
the fact that the rulebook says the gods singlemindedly put aside rivalries to devour the galaxy indicate that if they infight it is inconsequential to this common plan

>main bad guy
so you are agreeing that people didn't like that they were acting like chaos

>reality warping
>monopoly on treachery
>gene modding
you keep avoiding to admit that they acted practically like chaos gods proxies

>reasons seem contrived
they are pretty simple: they just as planned themselves into relevance onto the lore and have been characterised as possessing powers and natures that go against the consistency of the setting

>proof?
you first, since you assumed they did market researches for their retcons

>Now why would they do that if there is no profit in it?
because the process of changing years worth of schedules is not immediate and because for all we know current management is almost the same as old management except for the way they package and present shit
background remains a concern of the writers

>>54731748
>No, no, no. The size of Cryptus tendril was never stated before.
It was stated to be just a tendril of leviathan
It was not the whole hive up until the story was turned upside down in 8th when it was also already decided how it would have ended.

>>54731748
>There is no handwave.

When you establish something to be almost impassable and then the first time it has take part in something you have people just traverse it, you're literally handwaving it being an obstacle.

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>>54731833
>The crimsom path

From the review of the new CSM codex, its a work in progress. Suffered a setback.

GW created three storylines with Macguffins meant specifically to half the Crimson Path.

>he fact that the rulebook says the gods singlemindedly put aside rivalries to devour the galaxy

Page it.

>so you are agreeing that people didn't like that they were acting like chaos

Some hated the "showhorning". From what I seen the majority wanted DIVERSITY.

>you keep avoiding to admit that they acted practically like chaos gods proxies

They acted as gods. And you can only stretch the whole they are Not!Chaos on the Deceiver. The rest weren't expanded on at all.

>possessing powers and natures that go against the consistency of the setting

The power of science goes against the consistency of a sci-fi setting?

>you first, since you assumed they did market researches for their retcons

Here.

>because

So you are saying that GW is dumb enough to steer itself off a cliff and risk lose in net profits?

>>54731748
>All factions suffered from the birth of the Great Rift. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL.
that's a very biased thing to say, as you're assuming your guys have to be special enough to just interfere with everything and how the other side suffered no effect from the rift since they just passed through it with no consequences.

>Besides, the seeds of Leviathan's destruction was planted in Shadowbrink which ended with the vanquished daemons plotting the downfall of the fleet.
Now you're just spouting bullshit, the daemons at shadowbrink weren't shown to plot shit, they were just autistically screaming about their privileges.

Post a single thing connecting the daemons of shadowbrink with the ones that attacked leviathan at baal.

>>54731978
I downloaded this picture the moment that the Great Rift lore was released on the community site. Now zoom in. What do you see? You will find at least two pathways across the Great Rift towards the north.

>>54731898
>a tendril of leviathan

Of an unknown size. People just assumed that the Octria tendril was the largest. Turns out they were wrong.

We were never given the size of the Cryptus tendril and weren't told where was the biggest concentration of Leviathan. So it's not like they ignored or shat on previous established lore.

>>54732069
>that's a very biased thing to say, as you're assuming your guys have to be special enough to just interfere with everything and how the other side suffered no effect from the rift since they just passed through it with no consequences.

Why do you assume that Chaos is my guys? Why did you ignore that the Imperium was split in half and was thrown into darkness for a period of time. Why do you continue to ignore that the Rift is passable at numerous locations?

>Now you're just spouting bullshit, the daemons at shadowbrink weren't shown to plot shit,

"On Shadowbrink the Hive Mind had won a mighty victory against the legions of Chaos. Yet even as the Tyranids returned their attentions to devouring the ruined world, in the twisted realm of the Warp, malevolent intelligences smouldered with fury and plotted their revenge".

Of course, the Great Rift swallowing Leviathan but miraculously leaving everything else unharmed in the whole sector can't be the work of spiteful daemons.

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>>54732082
Forgot my picture.

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>>54732212
Here is the projected path that Girlyman took towards Baal.

>>54730063
Same here.

>>54732082
>So it's not like they ignored or shat on previous established lore.
the lore of the cryptus tendril said that it needed the biomass of the shieldworlds system to prove unstoppable for baal

if it was the whole leviathan fleet, there would be little reason for a pair of additional planets worth of mass

the new lore simply disregards the positions that were given to the other tendrils of leviathan

>>54732192
>Why do you assume that Chaos is my guys?
because everyone knows you're an insufferable chaosfag, carnac

>Why did you ignore that the Imperium was split in half and was thrown into darkness for a period of time.
you mean the same darkness they can just easily vault by using bridges apparently?

>Why do you continue to ignore that the Rift is passable at numerous locations?
because the safe passages are very far from baal and to reach it they would have to cross half a galaxy without the light of the astronomican?

or do you want to say that the rift doesn't actually keep that side of the galaxy in the darkness and conveniently passes just enough light for a primarch and his great crusade to say it's the logical thing to do with all the other shit they have to deal in the southern side?

>>54732192
>Of course, the Great Rift swallowing Leviathan but miraculously leaving everything else unharmed in the whole sector can't be the work of spiteful daemons.
As if shadowbrink would cause the dark gods to care more about the end of leviathan than about the end of the marines with all the shit they have got from the angels

>>54732453
>>54732453
>because everyone knows you're an insufferable chaosfag, carnac

Not really.

>you mean the same darkness they can just easily vault by using bridges apparently?

Girlyman's crusade was launched after the darkness lifted, genius.

>it they would have to cross half a galaxy without the light of the astronomican?
>or do you want to say that the rift doesn't actually keep that side of the galaxy in the darkness and conveniently passes just enough light for a primarch and his great crusade to say it's the logical thing to do with all the other shit they have to deal in the southern side?

Exactly. 8th ED says that the Great Rift obscures Terra'a light but some light passes through to other side. This makes warp travel doable but really dangerous.

>>54730028
>>54730051
I think at this point there's probably collectable value in NOT painting them?

How many actually still exist?

>>54732279

kek, yeah that was bullshit, the eye of terror, two necron dynasties and most of hive fleet fucking leviathan where between baal and girlyman, the shadow alone should have completely blotted out any assistance requests and the newly errupted warp storms should have thrown his fleet off course

as it is the only reason I can think of that he was able to send a fleet to baal was because chaos was actively assisting him, no other explanation makes sense

>>54732487
Blood Angels are already marked for death by Ka'what'shisname.

>>54730572
GW are chaosfags. The Imperium isn't their favorite faction.

>>54732850

Which makes Chaos whining all the more grating

>>54732850
The marketing team is imperialfags
It's just the writers that are edgefags

>>54729953
>>54730012
What's the point of spending almost $1000 on a piece of resin, only to paint it like complete shit?

>>54733037
Ur just jelly.

>>54732737
Of course chaos was assisting him, all Chaos really wants is to be Ultramarines.

>>54732737
The eye of terror is nowhere near either that path, or one that takes a less retarded route.

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>Mfw all the buttmad chaosfags ITT

>>54727863
USA confirmed king good guys of earth imperium strong oorah

>>54727725
>Does Chaos stand a single chance of winning? Not only Xenos seem to be largely pro-Imperium in this campaign
Orkfag here.

I think I can speak for a large sum of xenosfags on /tg/ accurately when I say that most of us aren't really 'pro-Imperium' so much as we are actively anti-Carnac/Chaos in the battle of Konor.

However, outside of that, my local Astramis megabattle is best summed up fluffwise as a couple chaos bands landed on the planet, realized they are HEAVILY OUTNUMBERED, and had to go crawling on their knees and ask 5-6 different Ork warbands (my Freebootas, Speed Freeks, Deathskulls, Goffs, a bunch of Bad Moons, and another batch of boyz who dropped in at turn two via Ork Rok), a bunch of Fallen, and a rookie batch of Traitor Guard to help fight against the combined defensive force of IG, Ultramarines, Blood Angels, SoB, Grey Knights, Salamanders, and Blood Ravens.

When the megabattle was over we ended up with a humie victory of 43 points against 39 points for "Chaos" (in a battle of 22 players, it was greenskins who dealt out and took the brunt of damage against the Imperiums, followed by the rookie "traitor guard"[The guy's Commissar HQ killed Celestine permadead on the very last turn], and the Fallen D. Angels. Chaos pretty much did fuck-all by comparison).

A fluff end result for the outcome at Astramis (just based on my local store's battle) is pretty much "Chaos got driven off, but Astramis is going to have an Armageddon-level Feral Ork infestation for the next couple centuries."

All that being said, there is part of me wants Chaos to lose this just so I can beat Carnac and his "Chaos always wins!" bullshit over the head with it.

>>54735959
konor allegiances

Necrons
http://www.strawpoll.me/13546406

Eldar
http://www.strawpoll.me/13546410

T'au
http://www.strawpoll.me/13546413

Dark Eldar
http://www.strawpoll.me/13546417

Tyranids
http://www.strawpoll.me/13546419

>>54736119
>No straw poll for Orks
I'd call squigshit on this, but the greenskin players (who don't have any other army) likely fall under the 'screw both sides' section as well.

Hilariously, the Drew Carry's are the only ones who have a pro-Chaos bend for 2nd place. Go figure.

>>54736430
>but the greenskin players (who don't have any other army) likely fall under the 'screw both sides' section as well.

Of course, they never needed to be polled

>>54727783

To be fair, the Orks and Tyrannids were demoted to NPC for the original 'Eye of Terror' Campaign, and managed to get around this by choosing a single sector each and going for the Jugular. 'Hey, let's show some Ork pride and try and grab Moredakka' allowed the Orks to make an impact in a campaign they'd been written mostly out of... which I unfortunately don't think can happen this time.

>>54736495
>which I unfortunately don't think can happen this time
It all depends on who the global population of Ork players thinks deserves to get screwed over more: Guilliman and his rigid "I must consult muh Codex Astartes!" Ultramarines and the Imperium as a whole, or the "we're the big bad, we've always been the big bad, all these annoying xenos need to die off already so we can have our Horus Heresy wankfest here in 40k!" Chaos forces.

If the local contingent of Ork players at my store is any indication, it's 52%-48% in favor of giving Chaos a well-deserved krumpin'! (Heck, some of the Ork players are just being anti-Imperium because Chaos hasn't been able to get its shit together over here yet!).

If every Ork player worldwide gets on the same page, you bet they'll start having an impact on the campaign, since unless I'm mistaken they are keeping track of which xenos factions are doing what in terms of battle reports.

>>54736731

It's more the way the campaign is organised this time, really. In EoT most warzones were open from the beginning to end and the Orks could keep hammering away on Scarus, particularly Mordax and Lethe, which the Chaos players weren't greatly interested in anyway with the draw of the Cadian gate itself.

For Konor, each week is the fight over a single world. So the Orks can't just decide they want Loebos and fight every battle of the campaign there; the campaign has a set weekly background and a choice between Eagle and Spikey that every Eldar and Tyrannid and Necron will also be jumping into right at the same time.

>>54736731
>If the local contingent of Ork players at my store is any indication, it's 52%-48% in favor of giving Chaos a well-deserved krumpin'!
Da Green Kroosade iz back?

>>54736731
>Guilliman and his rigid "I must consult muh Codex Astartes!"
Except that's not how Guillman works. He explicitly says not to use the codex as a holy bible, but as a ever adapting set of guidelines

>>54736952
My guess is it's not so much fighting for control certain planets this time for Ork players as it is a chance to pull a Grimgor Ironhide on all of 40kChaos in the same manner to what happened with the now-retconned WHFB's Storm of Chaos ending.

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>>54737191
>but as a ever adapting set of guidelines
>the codex is more like a bunch of guidelines anyway
Wot da zog does dis Guilligit humie fink he iz, a Freeboota?

>>54732890
Marketing and perhaps modeling.
It's what creates the vicious cycle of stupidity.
>Writers: Chaos needs more love! Quick, write a story in which they asspull a victory out of nowhere that makes no goddamn sense and things look grim!!
>*Abaddon rides into an unrelated Ork vs Tau conflict, the Tau all shout 'He's so cool!'
>Marketers: Uh-oh! Things look grim! Better make NEW RULES FOR THE IMPERIUM and tell everyone about the NEW WAR TO TAKE BACK THE STARS!!!!
>Modelers: Good idea! Here are NEW MODELS FOR THE IMPERIUM!!!! Uh, I know that Abaddon's supposed to be 'so cool', but he can still have a model old enough to rent a car.
>Fanbase: Oh, for fuck's sake, I'm sick of both of those guys.
>Writers: We hear you! So here's MORE CHAOS!!!
>Marketers: And in response, MORE IMPERIUM!!!!

>>54737432
It is basically more marines

>my army is going to be legal across the world now

>>54735959
Hey, I think I was in that fight!

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>>54735725

>>54737796
Bernie gave his life for Emperor. He questioned his once rival beliefs once. But in the end he knew trump wasn't the demon Hillary proclaimed he was. In the end Hillary was the demon she proclaimed Trump was.

>>54737432
>Fanbase: Oh, for fuck's sake, I'm sick of both of those guys.
You really don't understand, man. Imperium stuff pretty much always sells big time.

The amount of new space marines being sold is ludicrous.

>>54737961
>never bought a single marine intentionally
>I have over 100 marines

Marines everywhere! Think I got some marines in my Silver Tower box!

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>>54728201
>Anons : WAH WAH WAH WAH we don't like the Necrons
Um, no. Some didn't like Necrons for their tabletop bullshit, but as a faction they were fine, if boring (because hur dur we must exterminate all life in the galaxy is old and trite).

>GW in 5th ED utterly rewrote the story of the Necrons
>Scaling down their threat to the setting by large magnitudes making they a disjointed collection of infighting kingdom ruled by cripplingly mad monarchs
Which gave them a lot more character and made them more interesting.

>Their all powerful material gods humbled and reduced to sharded slaves
There were a couple of reasons for this. Firstly, C'tan had a fairly tame TT profile compared to how badass they were presented as in fluff. Doing this allowed GW to strike a good middle-ground between the two. It also allowed for the Necrons to have personalities of their own, as stated above. And, best of all, if you wanted to still run a dynasty of oldcrons, you still could.

>their anti-warp technology being retconned to being less effective than the warding spells of the psyker races
pic related. Show me any kind of anti-warp technology/powers in the setting that compare to it.

>their method of travel was reworked to be the Webway to cripple their movement in the setting
They can access the webway, but it isn't their preferred method of travel, they still rely on inertialess drives and dolmen gates.

Learn more about 'crons before posting scrub.

>>54738019
>he thinks that's relevant
>he thinks Primaris shit isn't flying off the shelves
>he thinks rehashed 30k plastics didn't boost GW stocks over 100% in the past 2 years

>>54739026
Wouldn't Tyranids fuck over Chaos in the same way the Necrons originally would have? If they successfully consume everything in the galaxy, there wouldn't be anything for Chaos to exist off of.

>>54727725
Nobody likes Chaos. Chaos is an uninteresting, bland faction. There is no interestinf fluff about Chaos, there are no stakes for Chaos. Tau, Eldar, Necrons and Orks have more character than anything Chaos.

Also their models are either bland or ugly as fuck.

>>54728201
I like Newcrons. As a matter of fact, my Dynasty absolutely despises Chaos and tries to get along with the living as good as possible.

>>54731403
They SHOULD have.
It should've been the Blood Angels who killed us. They deserved to find some method to stop the bugs and go on the offensive, or some desperate last-ditch thing to just fuck up the ships, or something like that. A tale of heroics and heroic sacrifice that nevertheless ends with the Blood Angels being victorious over the faceless hordes.
Instead it's a warpstorm and a bloodthirster that remove the fleet, followed by Guilliman popping in with reinforcements afterwards to mop up what's left.
The Blood Angels are denied their rightful victory, only given survival for the sake of survival.
And the Tyranids were denied their narrative purpose, to give the Blood Angels a horrible foe to persevere against, fighting against the odds.

>>54739421
Same here, I don`t get it why people like boring machines of old so much. Yeah, they are creepy and all, but that`s literally about it.

>>54740874
Yeah, considering for how long they were hyping up that particular tendril, I was kinda dissapointed to see it not even jobbing, but getting literally wiped from the galaxy.

>>54741249
lol
it super jobbed, and now it is time to hype up a newer, badder fleet!

>>54739026
>Which gave them a lot more character and made them more interesting.

I disagree. There is nothing interesting with tomb kings in space.

>There were a couple of reasons for this. Firstly, C'tan had a fairly tame TT profile compared to how badass they were presented as in fluff. Doing this allowed GW to strike a good middle-ground between the two. It also allowed for the Necrons to have personalities of their own, as stated above. And, best of all, if you wanted to still run a dynasty of oldcrons, you still could.

Again, at the expense of the races impact on the lore. This change in the lore could have been done without shattering the C'tan. You know like DOW invention of having an essence of C'tan possessing an lord and turning him into an avatar of the C'tan God. Will be you dumb enough to argue against this I wonder?

>pic related. Show me any kind of anti-warp technology/powers in the setting that compare to it.

Webway, Emperor, Shadow in the Warp. I notice you are ignoring the lore when it suits you. The next point is so cancerous.

>but it isn't their preferred method of travel

No, it's their main way of travel. Without it they would be doomed to isolation as per their fluff in their codex.

>and dolmen gates.

Dolmen Gates ARE their Webway access, you fucking dumbass.

>Learn more about 'crons before posting scrub.

You are a failure of a human being.

>>54739421
Not canon. Necrons do not despise Chaos. They are indifferent towards. They were allies of convenience with Chaos when the ally table was a thing. And it showed in the fluff with a Necron lord allying with a Chaos lord to loot a sector.

>>54729869
>All those unpainted units

Come on...

>>54730339
Oh shut up. Necrons got plenty of attention in rules, and things changed with the 8th edition map. The really ignored ones are Dark Eldar, though noone is surprised. They're stuck with huge, resin, monopose models for around 35 pts, and the fluff has been entirely disregarded when writing the crunch. They are also entirely irrelevant to the story, unless you count "some ynnari are dark eldar, I guess".

>>54743270
We were talking about the narrative, not the rules not the modeling.

>They are also entirely irrelevant to the story, unless you count "some ynnari are dark eldar, I guess".

The Drukhari featured in GS 2 and had their plotlines expanded in addition to being involved in the Ynnari business.

>>54730339
>You want something at the backburner? It's the Necrons. There is no 8th ED even to their name. You are spoiled.

Below Tau?
Did they do anything in 8th yet

>>54743342
Launched two expansion spheres. One of them was lost to the Warp and will reappear somewhere else in the galaxy.

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Lol, after this campaign, Mortarion and his Death Guard will not show themselves outside the Eye of Terror for a millenium because of shame for losing every major battle in Konor system! Failbaddon is no more - meet Failtarion and his Fail Guard!

>>54731365

You're legitimately an idiot, who lacks any understand of nuance, complexity, humor, or undertones. To explain the numerous ways in which you are double wrong would take an incredibly amount of effort, and you'd just post a snide response and/or tl;dr if I did, or 'analyze' my explanation to tell me why I'm wrong while demonstrating just how genuinely obtuse you are.

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>>54727725
>I myself am an Imperiumcuck
Heretic filth detected.

>>54743516
>yfw failtarion gets cucked by a different xenos race on every planet

>>54727725
Let's not pretend that Orks won't win anon, the spirit of Grimgor is with them

>>54727797
>xenos players decide to help imperium
>somehow gws fault
wut

>>54742381
Primaris Tyranids when?

>>54748231
Nids codex will probably have them munching on primaris

So, the Imperium won the first planet, right? How are things going on the second one? I can't check right now.

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Looks like Konor (Planet #2) is somewhere between 55-60 in the Imperium's favor at the moment.

Side note: GW better not pull this 'Chaos VS Imperium, Xenos aren't allowed to affect our narrative' malarkey in the next big campaign. SM & CSM already have their Chaos VS IoM circlejerk in 30k/HH, and it should STAY there.

Come to think of it, has there ever BEEN a non-Imperium focused campaign that has two Xenos races as the primary opponents and everyone else is a secondary faction?

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>>54727725
>Make Chaos, the most antagonistic faction of them all, the big bad with most power
>Be surprised when the small players who all have reasons to hate Chaos gang up on them.

Well what did you expect to happen?

>>54755797
I bet if the story had been billed as Guilliman picking up his father's Great Crusade and wiping out all xenos, with Chaos or Orks stepping in just for shits and giggles, more xenos would side with Orks.

>>54753172
No, because GW literally doesn't care about anyone but Imperium and Chaos fags

>>54755820
Orkz maybe, Chaos I think it would be split. Eldar and Chaos are still worst enemies, and after their experieance with the DEldar, I would imaging that the Tau would be more wary about siding with edgelords.

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>>54755936
>Tfw no Farsight Enclaves vs. regular Tau campaign
>Tfw no Eldar vs. Necrons 2: Electric Boogaloo
>Tfw no Orkz, DEldar, or Tyranids to interrupt their fights to fuck shit up or duke it out for supremacy.
All this potential, and yet they still keep milking the same tired old Chaos vs. Imperium Cow.

>>54737796
>>54737861

cringe

>>>/pol/ back to your cucksheds

>>54755936
>implying

GW doesn't care about anything but Space Marines. Non-marine Imperium factions can rot in hell, you think IG and SoB are good examples of GW caring about them?

And Chaos only get the spotlight due to fanboy writers working at GW and Space Marines needing a primary enemy. So why not spiky space marines to sell even more space marines.

>>54755992
To be fair, 8th is functionally a soft reboot. The first campaign being chaos vs imperium is about as surprising as Guillman being the Imperium primarch to return.

>>54756079
They only 'care' about Space Marines because Space Marines sell extremely well.

The fact they sell extremely well probably has something to do with the fact that most of the GW stores have a FULL-SIZED SPACE MARINE STATUE on display out front or inside the store. Which in turn leads to Space Marines having the largest share in terms of sales.

That plus being the poster boy for Games Workshop in general really helps too.

Seriously though, it feels like players for anything other than Chaos and Space Marines are starting to get really sick of GW's bullshit, and taking it out on the BL fanwank-fueled "We already won!/We can never lose" arrogance/entitled attitude seen in Chaos players in this campaign as a result. If they can't be part of the narrative, then they're going to do their best to fuck it up for one side or the other.

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>>54756219
Does the mean there's hope then?
Will my Metal boys finnal stop hitting the snooze button and actually have a chance to do something?

>>54756220
Don't forget they've been in every two-player starter set since the beginning, and always the stronger of the two sides. The shop staff always guide the new player to pick the Space Marines in the intro game and then lose so they can show just how powerful they are! Dark Eldar got introduced in one of those boxes, and it took them, what, eleven years to get updated models while Space Marines went through how many upgrades in that time?

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>>54756220
>Mfw then canon ending for 40k is that Chaos Manages to Unite age old enemies and dysfunctionally unruly assholes for the sole purpose of kicking the shit out of them while Roboute just stands there, scratching his head wondering why Necrons, Eldar, and Tyranids, Tau, and Orkz are all working together.

>>54756356
>Aelliance Xenos

>>54756295
Aren't Necrons ignored by just about everyone?

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>>54730314
By all means, lets.

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>>54756397
That's DEldar. Most Necrons instead ignore everyone else and almost never do anything unless someone steps on their tomb Worlds.

>>54756381
>Agradni Aellianci Axenosi

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>>54755992
>>54756219

>Shit all over xenos players
>Cave to "MUH TRUESCALE" pissbabies despite marines generally being lore accurate in height compared to most minis.
>Squatting regular marines for Primaris™ Marines™ because fuck the long time players
>Every campaign is IMPERIUM VS CHAOS PICK A SIDE!
>Retcon chaos into instigating the War in Heaven because fuck letting Necrons be important to the lore.
>Wake Girlyman up so he can start to dismantle the grimdark parts of the Imperium so they can ditch the Space 1984 motif and really be the good guys
>40K's 30th anniversary mini is nothing more than a shitty Primaris™ Marine™ to really force down your throat that only Primaris marines matter now, fuck Everyone else
>Primaris™ Marines™ outgun Tau units, because fuck you Imperium must have the best units ALWAYS
>Codex releases are all centered around Imperium and chaos, xenos "maybe around christmas"
>MOAR PRIMARIS WANK
>Fabulous Bill Presents: Chaos® Primaris™ Marines™ coming soon!
>Necrons defining special rules fucked by Morale, or removed entirely (Can't Reanimate a model that fled from morale tests, and ALL WEAPONS now wound vehicles on 6+, no more Guass)

I'm fucking tired of it.
Things had started looking good until those fucking Chadmarines arrived.
Now I'm ready to throw my army up on ebay so I can reinvest some of my money on video games.

>>54756453
>reinvest
>treating your hobbies as investments
>treating video games as investments

Diversify yo bonds nigga

>>54756419
I meant GW and the players at large

>>54756437
>Aegraedni Aelliaenci Aexaenosi
Fixed it for you in proper High Gothic.

>>54727725
Chaos are boring edgelords the fluff needs to tone their boring shit down

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>>54756453
>>Squatting regular marines for Primaris™ Marines™ because fuck the long time players
>>Retcon chaos into instigating the War in Heaven because fuck letting Necrons be important to the lore.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?

>>54756589
Nope.
Dark Imperium has Girlyman use his latent psyker powers to see the history of the galaxy and he sees that chaos started the War in Heaven.

Regular marines all get depression from Girlyman not using them and calgar himself acknowledges that Regular marines are getting the axe.

Because Fuck You.

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>>54756638
I can't believe I had hope for 8th edition.

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>>54756356
>Orkz unite as a race and all the extragalactic Orkz come back into the galaxy for "da best o' foights"
>Gork and Mork are now the top dogs in the Warp once Chaos gets krumped good and proppa
Congratulations everyone, you just took out Chaos... and replaced it with a force that's even more destructive, violent, and lives for war.

GOOD JOB!

>>54756638
>Dark Imperium has Girlyman use his latent psyker powers to see the history of the galaxy and he sees that chaos started the War in Heaven.
What part of the book is this from? Because as far as I can tell Rowboat's nowhere near psyker-y enough to pull that kinda shit off. Magnus, maybe, but Guilliman? Fuck no.

>>54756693

What does fluff have to do with an edition's rules? Nobody was talking about the fluff when they wanted 8th Edition to fix 7E.

>>54756700
>>54756693

My bad, it's not Girlyman's psychic powers, the Eldar show him with THEIR psychic powers.

>>54756220

Well atleast my Tau are getting something this edition for sure

>>54756785
>Well at least my Tau are getting something this edition for sure

Yeah, Taumaris™ Firewariors™
All part of PrimarisHammer PrimarisK

>>54730063
You said it brother.

>>54756750
It didn't really fix 7th edition though. Absolutely none of 7th's problems were fixed - the rules systems were just thrown out entirely. All 8th did was replace one type of bad with another.

>>54756923
>Absolutely none of 7th's problems were fixed
>psychic power abuse
>invisibility
>free summoning spam
>broken formations
>free vehicles
>free wargear
>grav annihilating everything
>vehicles and walkers being useless
>superheavies outclassing non superheavies
>OP Riptides
>OP Warp Spiders
>OP Wraithknights
>OP Eldar jetbikes

Try harder.

>>54756220
>Which in turn leads to Space Marines having the largest share in terms of sales
Space marines being super popular pre-dates the RTB01s, man. Pre-dates 40k in its entirety, if we're being pedantic.

The posterboy stuff is definitely a factor now, but that is a result of their initial wide appeal.

>>54756852

>Not Primaris Baettlesuits (TM)

>>54756752
>My bad, it's not Girlyman's psychic powers, the Eldar show him with THEIR psychic powers.
The Eldar huh?
The same bunch of self-interested, two-faced cowards who sent a team of Harlequins into the Imperial Palace when THERE WAS A FUCKING ORK ATTACK MOON FLOATING OVER TERRA and said, "I know you mon-keighs are about to get wiped out by Orks and all, but please remember that Chaos is the biggest threat!"

The same race that gave birth to one of the Big Four because they couldn't keep it in their collective pants and are scared shitless about getting their souls devoured? The ones who are openly biased about how much they fear/hate Chaos, and are known to be a gaggle of manipulative motherfuckers most of the time?

Yeah, something tells me the Eldar are just showing Guilliman the "truth"Read: it's a fucking lie and an illusion to trick Guilliman the leader of the Imperium is sufficiently motivated to achieving the Eldar's goals without the Eldar having to get their hands dirty to me.

>>54756965
>Yeah, something tells me the Eldar are just showing Guilliman the "truth"Read: it's a fucking lie and an illusion to trick Guilliman the leader of the Imperium is sufficiently motivated to achieving the Eldar's goals without the Eldar having to get their hands dirty to me.

I really hope This is the case and they aren't going to actually try and retcon something this important.

>>54756965
Actually, this seems very legit and it is my headcanon now.
Realistically, though, GW is just too retarded for such a twist, so everything being said by ye wise-old Eldar should be taken at a face value.

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>>54756965
>Thinking GW is smart enough to do something like that
Probably should drink bleach m8.

>>54757151
but he is really really really angry

>>54757151
The guy with awesome model on the right has every reason to win!

>>54757151
>red guy
>it's brown

>with an axe
>has a sword

>>54727725
Chaos is for cucks - xenos support empire because they want to topple it and take its place or barter with it or to enslave it - what adoult would like to help bunch of retarded fags in destroying whole setting ?

>>54757151
Not gonna lie, the red guy is looking pretty cool to me.

>>54756356
The mental image this creates is funny to me.

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>>54756453
>All these slippery slopes
How about you wait 2 months before you spout this doomsaying nonsense?

>>54763499
Because GW has really given us a whole lot of reason to expect the worst.

>>54763499
>How about you wait 2 months before you spout this doomsaying nonsense?
While I agree it's a bit early to be going all doom n' gloom, given how BL & GW's writers are known for their Chaos fanwank (which has pretty much reduced the faction from interesting and relatively flawed to bland "The 4 Space Devils and their 4 armies from Space Hell who are destined to be victories because Entropy or some Carnacian bullshit like that) and the clusterfuck that was the Gathering Storm, I'm not surprised people aren't very optimistic about the future of 40k at this point.

>>54761617
Pretty much

>>54727725
Even xenos bow to the Primarchs!

>>54769368
At least to The loyal ones anyway.

>>54756965
Has there ever, in the entire history of Games Workshop doing lore, ever been a moment where something wasn't exactly as it seemed? Outside of a character introduced in a book being revealed five chapters later to be a badguy, I mean.

>>54727725
>in general, more Imperium players than Chaos
>Space Marines got a new codex and point decreases for certain units first, meaning they're a little stronger

This means that Imperium has a leg up when they fight xenos or Chaos. While Chaos vs Xenos is in Xenos favor due to Nids and Orks.

So when Imperium fights Xenos it's probabaly going to get another win, where when Chaos fights Xenos it's either a 50/50 chance of them losing or a good chance of losing (depending on the army)

The power discrepency, on top of the fact that there are more Imperium players mean they'll get a leg up (Imperium vs Imperium results in an Imperium win)

>>54772625

I wish we knew what the numbers were. SMs outnumber everyone, but does xenos as a whole make up a big part of the pie?

>>54763499
I bet you said that during Fantasy End times too, didn't you faggot?

>>54772702
Part of the things that skews any polls is that most 40k players own some amount of Space Marines.

So any poll that asks "Which faction(s) do you own" would pull a ton of Space Marine results.

>>54728019
Chaos dick suckers are the worst

>pls ban USA they no let chaos win

>>54772916

"Excluding Marines what else do you have" I guess

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>>54772702
Don't take the mad ramblings of a possessed namefag as 100% truth but some extrapolation led to this.

>>54773208
>extrapolation
That is literally just a pie graph the excel guy made of what shit is on the GW site store

>>54773248
You're right, "legwork" would have been a more appropriate word.

>>54773208

This breakdown is actually close to what the 40k playerbase looks like according to a sample size of 17000 votes on what faction they played.

GW isn't stupid, if only X% of customers are buying something like DE, they won't be spending more on that range than X% would warrant.

Also, according to the poll, if you separate the marine codexes into their separate ones, GK are lower than xenos, and all the other MEQ are about equal percentages, with C:SM being slightly higher than everyone else.

>>54773304
>This breakdown is actually close to what the 40k playerbase looks like according to a sample size of 17000 votes on what faction they played.
What was this?

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>>54773304
>GW isn't stupid,

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>>54776242
>GW is stupid

>>54728019
>Who wins on Konor will be given an advantage in the coming narrative story of Ultramar round 2. It's not just a system. It's gonna influence where the story goes.

You're retarded if you believe this.

>>54776242

GW pushes out all those marine releases cause they know what people wanna buy

>>54777430
GW pushes out marine releases because it's the only thing they care about.

People buy the marine releases and start playing Space Marines because they want to play a faction that actually gets attention and releases.

It's a cyclical effect.
>GW mainly gives attention to marines in the form of models and fluff
>people like getting new stuff, they also like to feel like their faction matters in the universe
>people switch to marines, to fulfill both requirements
>GW sees people playing marines, thus ignores other factions.

If they gave even a passing glance at other shit people would play it more. Look at other games with varied factions. There isn't an obvious company's favorite and the playerbase is generally spread evenly between the factions.

This current campaign GW basically gave the finger to Xenos players.

Not to mention pretty much every faction other than Space Marines have staple models in their lineup that aren't even in plastic yet. Yet alone recent releases.

I feel bad for the Nid players. They get screwed in the fluff worse than my cogboys, and almost every book with us has Forge Worlds (which are absurdly powerful from the numbers given in fluff, each one is basically Kardashev 1 with all the fusion power they use and has the defences and manufacturing capacity to match) conquered by random Tau or Space Marine companies, people bitching about the Admech's incompetence and the writers using it as a plot device to have the opponents grab something that should have been destroyed or awake Necrons or Chaos or something.

A few days ago, after reading a bunch of hard sci-fi, I found a mention in the 5th edition codex of the Nids eating a dozen galaxies entirely before they came here, so I decided to calculate roughly how many Nids there are. What I worked out left me feeling pretty in tune with Magos Varnak. "Death! By the Machine God, death is here!".

At a very conservative estimate, the total biomass of all Nids in existence is around four times the mass of every planet in the galaxy. They don't even need to attack the Imperium, they could just form solid shells blocking sunlight from reaching every single inhabited planet and watch every life form freeze to death while they soaked in solar power. The losses taken by all Tyranid fleets so far are absolutely nothing compared to what they logically DO have available, and based on the Chaos Codex telling us exactly how many Bloodthirsters there are and extrapolating from that Chaos is about five orders of magnitude off from having a force that could conceivably stop them. The hive fleets met so far aren't so much full regiments establishing a beachhead, they're more one outrider taking a potshot at the enemy before they lead the thousands-strong Mongol horde to the village. Kryptmann was right, there is no hope.

>>54778439
Daemons are endless. And dum-dum, we were given the number of BTs in the 7 Hosts. We do not know the number of BTS in the 8th Host or the abyss.

>>54778485
Yep, they'll keep streaming out of the warp rifts until you close them, but Shadow in the Warp is a thing and there's basically nothing even a billion Bloodthirsters (which is really damn generous, since I can't see Khorne deviating from his pattern of sacred numbers right when he's managed to get all 8 Hosts) can do against that many Tyranids. They will come, they will consume and Chaos will be pushed back and back until it has no life to source from, because the Nids are so numerous they could ignite half a billion stars from the bodies of their fallen.

There's a hell of a lot of difference between "theoretically endless as long as the million-tomes intensified SitW doesn't shut down the rifts or eat the summoners" and "500 million M° right the fuck here, right the fuck now and eating your planets". Last I checked, daemonic incursions weren't renowned for their ability to fight in space.

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>>54778562
>Yep, they'll keep streaming out of the warp rifts until you close them

Guess what, gringo. There is no closing these Rifts. They are perma-open. Spewing minor Warpstorms that the daemons ride towards the unaffected parts of the galaxy. The Great Rift just keeps growing. The only force that could shut back and shutdown the Warpstorms are the activated Necron Pylons and there aren't many of them left in the galaxy.

>Shadow in the Warp

Doesn't do shit top Warpstorms and the daemons spewed by them.

> I can't see Khorne deviating from his pattern of sacred numbers right when he's managed to get all 8 Hosts) can do against that many Tyranids.

There are more daemons in the Warp than there are Tyranids in the universe. Warp is infinite it contains every daemon that exists, existed, and will exist at the same time.

>They will come

And do jackshit. You see those Warpstorms? Everything in them is out of the menu. Tyranids avoid Warpstorms and do not eat tainted biomass.

>because the Nids are so numerous they could ignite half a billion stars from the bodies of their fallen.

Irrelevant This is fantasy setting.

>There's a hell of a lot of difference between "theoretically endless as long as the million-tomes intensified SitW doesn't shut down the rifts or eat the summoners" and "500 million M° right the fuck here, right the fuck now and eating your planets". Last I checked,

Get your assumptions out of here. There is no is not a single example of hive fleets shutting down anything. In fact, it's stated that they flee warpstorms.

>Last I checked, daemonic incursions weren't renowned for their ability to fight in space.

And Tyranidfagsa aren't renowned for intelligence.

Daemons have been known to attack Tyranid fleets in space by materializing inside Tyranid ships and ripping them apart.

We have three examples of this. The latest one is Khorne's Blood Crusade that was said to have annihilated entire hive fleets

>>54729963
25 years and that Eldar titan still doesn't have any paint on it.

>>54753172
>has there ever BEEN a non-Imperium focused campaign that has two Xenos races as the primary opponents
No, because imperial sales are like half of 40k's revenue. Imperial Armour is the same way. Cut the imperium out of the picture and you're putting the boot to an enormous section of the playerbase.

I'd like to see them go back to the imperium vs xenos angle, but I have a sinking feeling that we'll be stuck with chaos shit until fulgrim and angron get models.

>>54778745
>Angron
Oh boy, I can't wait for Armageddon Part 4: Get Down on the Floor to be interrupted by fucking Chaos.
Yarrick and Ghazgkhull rivalry? Pfft fuck that who cares, that isn't as interesting as the profit margins that'll sell when an Angron model arrives.
Cause you know, Chaos is the only evil faction that matters right?
Can't be beaten in the long run/always infinite/always absolute and whatever else this guy >>54778638 said.
yippee

"Guys we made painting new stuff count as winning and are only releasing Imperium models during the campaign!"

Chaos never stood a chance regardless of what happens at the game table.

>>54776309
>Implying it takes smarts to get out of the hole that GW had until recently been digging itself into
If anything it shows just how retarded they were to sink that low in the first place.

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>>54727725
>Not only Xenos seem to be largely pro-Imperium in this campaign
When your choices are either a bunch of Xenophobic weirdo's who are willing to work with you now and probably try and kill you later or a bunch of Xenophobic weirdo's who are maybe willing to work with you now sometimes and will (hopefully) definitely try kill you in a horrible way later if you're lucky or do something infinitely worse if you aren't in service to their gods which are almost universally manifestations of emotional insanity who have the singular goal of fucking up everything beyond any hope of salvage? Especially if you're Eldar and one of those gods will ruin not only your existence but the existence of everyone you ever cared about and indeed the entirety of your race past and present? I can see why people might go with option one, cause the second seems like Stockholm Syndrome might be involved.

>>54730238
I'd say as an imperium player that Americans are over performing. Get fucked, chaos faggot.

>>54730238
>It's a fucking joke. Comedic exaggeration. Get over yourself.
Jokes are supposed to be funny, you should try that sometime.

>>54730035
>guy with sunglasses and asscreed hat is the fa/tg/uy

>>54757151
Dude on the right looks like he doesn't fuck around.

>>54733037
It's blatantly not finished you fucking idiot.

>>54780024
Who even sides with Chaos?

>>54784574
Carnac?

>>54784615
So only cretins?

>>54784647
They are legion

>>54727725
Has nobody mentioned that Mortaryon is coming out wk4?
Expect to see a little bump about then

>>54730035
Witness the whiteness.

>>54778638
>Guess what, gringo. There is no closing these Rifts. They are perma-open. Spewing minor Warpstorms that the daemons ride towards the unaffected parts of the galaxy. The Great Rift just keeps growing. The only force that could shut back and shutdown the Warpstorms are the activated Necron Pylons and there aren't many of them left in the galaxy.

The Shadow in the Warp actually does stop daemons. The 4th edition Tyranid codex explicitly said that the Shadow in the Warp power blots out the Warp from realspace and prevents daemons from entering the area of the main Swarm.

>>54784574
I can only really think of a few races who are mostly just mercs anyway, the only main army you might be able to say would swing chaos being Kroot.

>>54786015
As we see in all current day lore, it's too weak to stop the daemons.

>Tfw taking this list tomorow
>Tfw assblasted chaos metalheads.

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>>54786199
Forgot list.

>>54778745

So... why have they never run two simultaneous global campaigns?

Campaign A would admittedly always have an Imperial presence, but then Campaign B could be Orks vs Eldar or Necrons vs Chaos.

>>54780064
I predicted the current Korean sitution. Life imitates art. Now if only someone pushes the button.

>>54780047
You'd be wrong, bootlicker.

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>>54778439
As a new nid player I don't care at all about the lore beyond basic racial descriptions and special units. I just like hordes of cool aliens and eating people. Just look at him and tell me you wouldn't give him a chin scratch for being a good boy

>>54730063
No kidding. Rock falls, everyone dies, chaos wins because fuck you. And then they expect the AoS lore to matter.

#justiceforlizardmen

>>54786222
Pretty heavy.

>>54731365
>They are all minor threats not worth thinking about militarily too much on the galactic scale or forces of nature more akin to natural disasters than motivated characters.
>they're not important unless they are in which case they don't count

>>54731483
God, I wish this were the case. I find it funny that the vast majority of people complaining about Tau plot armor are Imperium fags, which goes to show "plot armor" means "we don't win everything ever despite all logic to the contrary for once".

>>54732890
accurately summarized

>>54756453
the righteous anger in this post fuels my xeno loving heart

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>>54756638
>Dark Imperium has Girlyman use his latent psyker powers to see the history of the galaxy and he sees that chaos started the War in Heaven.
what the FUCK

>>54727918
Have more lore that focuses on them without the Imperium or Chaos sticking their noses in

>>54787705
So a novel from ork pov?

>>54778485
Excuse my newfaggotry, but aren't daemons essentially spawned from sentient beings' emotions and souls? Nids eat everything else (ignoring Orks for a minute), daemons stop being "born". Nids fight daemons endlessly until there are no more, with the chaos gods losing more and more power from no more mortal emotion to power them. Endgame, nids win.

>>54730538
It would be fucking great if they released Void Dragon, who absolutely WRECKS the mechanicum and forces them to actually have to invent some shit to counter the Dragon's control of technology.

And on the table the Dragon would be able to target shit with the <VEHICLE> to slow movement or prevent it entirely, or ignore shots or even force vehicles to shoot friendly models on a roll of 6 or some shit. Would be an interesting mechanic.

>>54787822
You know shit hit the fan when AM are forced to innovate.

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>>54787105
He looks good enough to eat.

>>54787787
There is a passage about how in the event of a Chaos victory in some book that states if they win, reality will cease exist and there will only Be Chaos.

Yes that statement is the entirety of backing behind the "Chaos is eternal" arguement. There is reason Chaosfags are so hated.

>>54788214
You keep your filthy hands off of him

>>54787759
There's a short story featuring some Ork Kommandos pov in the "Fear the Alien" anthology. It was pretty good, and I'd love to see more of that to be honest.

>>54788489
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Wyrm-Killa_Tribe
Nah dog Orks and Nids are bros
broooos

>>54787822
>And on the table the Dragon would be able to target shit with the <VEHICLE> to slow movement or prevent it entirely
I'm pretty sure all the Ork players would call bullshit on that one, simply because "Ork tek runs on WAAAAGH! powah, ya tin-headed git!"

Which is actually pretty accurate.

>>54788611
>suddenly imagine Ghaz capturing Swarmlord and a couple other Nids just so he can turn 'em loose on other worlds (read: Armageddon) in order to get da best fight ever.
Never going to happen, but hilarious to think about.

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>>54787678
Sauce on that? Because if it is what you say it is I'll be sort of mad.

Not everything needs to revolve around chaos in the way-back lore. If we find out the C'Tan were/are Chaos Gods, I'll be pretty upset.

>>54788686
I thought the theory was that the Chaos Gods started the War in Heaven precisely because the C'tan were a threat to them, and they knew that the outcome of the war was them getting turned into pokemon?

It'd be nice to be able to choose between which eldritch abomination gets the eat all the souls in the universe.

>>54789528
Wouldn't know, I've been out of touch with basically all the lore since 5th and now I'm trying to get back into it.

I'm cool with most of the dumb bullshit, but this is pushing it.

>>54789528
>I thought the theory was that the Chaos Gods started the War in Heaven precisely because the C'tan were a threat to them, and they knew that the outcome of the war was them getting turned into pokemon?
>Yet more Just as planned shit
When will Games Workshop's writers realize that having characters say "All according to Keikaku" after an event has already happened doesn't make them look smart but rather stupid and badly written.

>>54789598
Problem is the current GW writers are the same teens who grew up on early 40k and thought it was serious.

>>54789637
It's a shame. I'm so fucking annoyed that ABD was allowed to ruin the Horus Heresy by making it purely about daddy issues. Instead it should have been just Angron who had them, not ALL of the fucking primarchs.

>>54756752

Uh, can you cite the page where this happened? Because I read the book and the only mention of BobbyG and Eldar was involving a self reflection on his resurrected state and at a war room meeting where he had to talk his coalition into believing that the Eldar can be of some benefit.

>>54789637
I wouldn't mind them taking it seriuosly if they could actually write well without retconning previously established Lore for no Reason. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Seriously, the fall of Cadia was bad fanfic-tier, and that was what was supposed to make us take Topknot seriously.

>>54787678
>>54788686

That guy is misquoting. The Eldar are the ones who use their psychic powers to show Guilliman a vision of Chaos instigating the War in Heaven.

You know, the guys who are the ones who had the bright idea to revive Guilliman as a scapegoat figurehead to rally humankind to use as their personal weapons.

Why oh why would these Eldar show such a thing to Guilliman, I wonder? Surely the Eldar are an honest and non-manipulative people who only tell the truth and have human interests in mind.

#RememberArmageddon

>>54789673
>le ABD bogeyman
The only Primarchs ABD had creative control over was Lorgar and Angron. Lorgar turns to Chaos because he's a religiousfag who needs to worship things and Angron rebels because he's a braindamaged ragemonster. How did he make
>ALL of the fucking primarchs
have daddy issues in your eyes?

>>54784574
Orks do it if they get are paid enough guns.
They have a tenancy to just start shooting the people they got the guns from though.
They get a laugh out of it.

>>54793586
>Surely the Eldar are an honest and non-manipulative people who only tell the truth and have human interests in mind.

Hell, we don't even have to look at Armageddon.

We can go back to the War of the Beast, when the Orks popped a Second Moon into existence over Terra and then a bunch of Harlequins had the GALL to pop into the IMPERIAL FUCKING PALACE and say (after getting the shit beat out of them by Custodes), "Hey Mon'keighs! We know you're about to destroyed by the Orks and all, but please remember that Chaos is the REAL threat, okay?"

I don't know if this is actually Ork saying, but "Don't ever trust a panzee" seems like a fitting thing to say regarding the Eldar's 'vision'.

>>54793737
>t. abd
he made the emperor a retard who treats his creations like kids, lets them treat him like a dad, then when they treat him like dad some more he's like "lolno ur just a test tueb babby I made for war rofl kys you'reselve u dum primach XD"

ergo, daddy issues

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Got 'em boys!

I am both totally shocked AND amazed that chose is losing by almost the same % as last week. It's almost like the imperium had 50% of the players base plus at least half of the xenos helping them out. Weird.

>>54793586
>>54794031
Yeah, but this requires GW to be competent to pull that off, and we all know they're not.

>>54794031
>"Hey Mon'keighs! We know you're about to destroyed by the Orks and all, but please remember that Chaos is the REAL threat, okay?

Dumbass, what they said is true. The Orks are not the real threat. Ork uprisings come and go, they are always doomed to fail Chaos will use the devastation of the Ork to get a foothold on the galaxy after the Orks are defeated.

Then what did the Eldar do? They cleared the Waaagh! induced Warpstorm to allow the Imperial fleet top reach Terra. The Orks were promptly defeated and due to Imperial incompetence the Imperium continued to forgot about Chaos ignoring the Eldar warning and allowing Chaos to grow stronger.

Also it's not the opinion of the Eldar. It's objective truth. Even when Vulkan was fighting the Beast, he commented how small and insignificant the Orks are compared to the real threat that is Chaos. How Chaos is using the Orks to slip in.

Face it. The Orks are nothing but a secondary bad guy faction that comes before the real threat.

>>54793586
Dark Imperium says nothing about them showing him any visions. It just says that they told him the history of the galaxy. The War of Ancients and the endless war against Chaos. And they didn't tell him the full story.

>>54794064
It only took the help of Xenos to do it.

>>54788325
>>54794368
Continued.....

>These, then, were orks. He had seen them at last.

>The Great Enemy of mankind was Chaos– every man and woman alive knew that, it was drilled into them all their lives. But orks were the green storm that rolled across the stars, leaving desolation in their wake. They infested worlds, consumed them, then moved on. They fought among themselves more than with any other species. They were cunning, brutal beyond belief, violent beyond the edge of sanity. And they knew no mercy, either for themselves or anyone else. There could be no negotiation with such foes; their minds worked on a different level of understanding to that of all other sentient races.

>They were as relentless as a virus. They had to be stamped out, every last one, or a planet might find itself plagued by them for decades.

Ork novels, before introducing the Orks, usually tell you that the Orks are second fiddle to Chaos. So a question pops up? Why do Orkfags want their Orks to be anything but a comdeic faction used as a punching bag? I thought they liked that stuff. I thought they didn't take 40K seriously....

Well, it seems to me that Orkfags have fragile egos and that take the setting too seriously.

>>54794392

Damn straight because fucking 7 of those imperium wins were space Marines vs space Marines.

>>54787787
>>54788325
Then there is a passages about how time does not exist in the Warp. There is no before or after in the Warp. There is only now and now forever. Real Space can get nuked and it won't bother Chaos.

Also we got lore saying that Chaos reaches out of the galaxy to other galaxyes, the whole universe. In fact, we have confirmed that Chaos connected to multiple realities like AoS, WHFB, Bloodbowl. You can never extinguish Chaos.

Tyranids on the other hand are finite and mortal. In the end they will die out because no being in the mundane realm is truly immortal while in the Warp the Chaos Gods are eternal.

>Yes that statement is the entirety of backing behind the "Chaos is eternal" arguement. There is reason Chaosfags are so hated.

There is a reason why anti-Chaosfags are hated. They are strawmanning liars. Lucky that you post on an anonymous board. In any other forum you would have gotten banhammered for this bullshit.

>it's carnac again
Le sigh

>>54794781
>it's no-argument anon

Le pootis.

>>54794506
>>54794431
>>54794368
Oh fuck off Carnac. It's you and people like you that are why Chaosfags are despised so much on this board.

Also, Eldar saying that the Orks, who currently had their collective boot on the Imperium's neck at the time (and weren't allowed to crush them because fucking timeline demands it), were not the real threat at that moment in time is absolutely fucking rich, and just shows how scared the Eldar are of Slaanesh. It says fuck all about whether they're actually the REAL threat or not.

You can take your bland Space Satans and their space Hell armies and shove 'em up your ass, you arrogant prick.

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>>54795155
>Also, Eldar saying that the Orks, who currently had their collective boot on the Imperium's neck at the time (and weren't allowed to crush them because fucking timeline demands it), were not the real threat at that moment in time is absolutely fucking rich, and just shows how scared the Eldar are of Slaanesh. It says fuck all about whether they're actually the REAL threat or not.

Actually, it's established in the novel that it was the Imperial incompetence and self interest that screwed the Imperium, not the Orks. Ultramar for example wrecked any Beast Waaaagh! incursion that came toward it. Destroying several Ork moons. That's because Ultramar isn't led by fools. When the Imperium got its shit together, the Orks were swiftly defeated.

Also being a total cuntbag you ignored the Vulkan vs the Beast fight where Vulkan tells the Beast to his face that his race is nothing but a distraction from the real threat. So keep shoving scum in your ears and pretend it was just an Eldar thing, douche.

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>>54795286
For those that refuse to read.

>‘But you are not the real threat,’ the primarch snarled, pushing to his feet. He spun Doomtremor in his palms, sizing up his opponent. ‘You are the distraction that will allow the true enemy to surge forth again.’

>>54730035
The guy in the bottom middle row looks like a durka that would go ALLUHA SNAKBAR anytime soon

I was hoping they'd acknowledge Chaos managing to squeeze control out of the Sygnus Generatorum, but since they have all these posts made a month in advance, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.