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Posting it again another thing I remembered and context:

So my party and I recently fought a villain and a bunch of weird stuff happened that I want to call bullshit on. Can you guys tell me if this is bullshit:

>enemy has two initiatives, GM said it was "to make a singular enemy more threatening and to give him more action economy"
>the bad guy every time he attacks us with this giant mantis limb that he has instead of an arm causes a fort save or debuffs to hit and movement speed (GM said it numbed you when it touched you)
>use a hand crossbow with like 6 shots (GM said it was a multishot crossbow) to shoot incoming attacks out of the air (I think this may have been PoW)
>went through a window to escape from us and didn't provoke AoOs when running off (he didn't attack that round though)
>when we went through after him he attacked the first guy who went through with a shard of glass (my character) and gouged my character's eye out (GM said he had readied action after he went through)
>GM said I was blind for one round and permanently in my left eye, plus a bunch of bleed damage
>the next guy who game through the villain apparently had a cut on his hand and flung blood into my party member's eyes to blind him as well (it was a tough attack)
>had a climb speed
>had a swim speed & could breathe under water (he escaped from us by diving into the river and swimming straight down)
>several times during the chase he would just tackle his way through doors/windows and keep going without having to stop moving
>one point activated a spring loaded thing and launched this seed that grew super quickly tried to wrap around another of my party member's, it was a touch attack and a reflex save
>was able to just break things and use anything as an improvised weapon, but was able to give them weapon properties (at the least he was able to give one acid)
>resistant to scrying (don't know why)

(1/2)

>>54724502
Your GMs being kind of a dick here since he is attacking your WBL since your going to need to trek to a metropolis and fork over 910 gold to have Regenerate cast on you to have your eye regrown

>>54724474
Starfinder General this way >>54724490

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>>54724474
The important thing is what comes out the mothership

>>54724502
So the situation for context.

We're playing the game in a massive city, like 1800s london massive at somewhere around 300,000 people. We work for the government. The guy we're hunting is a serial killer who has been targeting government officials. They tried to scry him and it didn't work. From what we know he's named Solomon Grott and the news papers are calling him "The Half Man" because his description included the weird insect parts.

From what we know Solomon Grott was a prisoner in the big magical prison the government keeps dangerous fucks in who somehow got out.

When we tracked him down he told us "You're blind, scratching at the underbelly of sharks, blind fish in a murky abyss.".

>>54724533
We're already in a metropolis. Our characters are basically government employees. The problem is there isn't anyone in the city who can cast regenerate even then. My character now has to wear an eyepatch and is getting a -2 to ranged attacks and visual based perception checks.

I don't use ranged attacks anyway for the most part because I'm a melee fighter, but still.

>>54724581
Then ya he is being a dick that hurts your most important skill the spot it before I get stabbed by thugs skill also how is there no one to fix your eye more so if your government backed? press the issue this was a on the job injury

>>54724672
Basically our GM said this:
>They don't have any clerics strong enough to cast regenerate on you, but they could sort of compensate for it. The fleshwarpers will make you the equivalent of a new eye, but it's gonna make that side of your face look strange, likely they'll slightly enlarge and fit something into the eye socket. If you're lucky and they do a good job it might actually be better than before.

I refused because I didn't want my character to be warped.

>>54724554
So the scrying thing could have a few ways.
Obviously, you can get swim speed, climb speed and immunity to scrying from spells.

However, I think it's more likely this creature has at least 1 level in vigilante, which gives it two personas, and you can't be detected with scrying when you are in the other persona.

It seems likely that this whole creature is a custom job of various classes and/or templates. For example, you can temporarily blind people with the Dirty Trick manoeuvre. However, permanently removing an eye isn't part of that. If you have all the chunks of your character's eye, you should petition your DM that it should just be blindness, that can be removed by Remove Blindness/Deafness.

It likely took a withdraw action when you didn't get attacks of opportunity.

The crossbow seems likely to be a repeating crossbow.

The acid properties on weapons you can get from a few classes, especially the the Transmutation implement of the Occultist, an ability you can get with the psychometrist Vigilante archetype.

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Hey. Do I want a normal familiar with the Mauler archetype or an improved familiar? I can't put Mauler on an improved familiar without DM fiat, right?

How do you feel about players significantly refluffing the appearance of their magic items? Like, for example, if they wanted to say their Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier is a tricorn hat or their magic vest is actually a magic dress?

>>54724979
I'm fine with it. I GM'd and talked to my players about how their magic items looked, and they could ask for specific designs. Adds a bit of flair.

>>54724979
Go for it.

It doesn't make sense for magical enchantments enchantment to be tied to a specific type of hat.

>>54724979

Seems 100% fine to me, as long as it's just fluff.

i want leakanon to post setting

>>54724979
Magic and tech items, as long as they work the same way, should look like whatever the person who made it deems fit. If that individual made a jingasa out of a tricorne, so be it. My pyrokineticist has been wearing a scarf of resistance for three levels now.

>>54725022
I want you to PM them.

>>54724979
It's the only way to do half the fucking equipment in the game due to how trapped it is.

>>54725043
I want you to bend over and spread 'em

>>54725114
>implying they haven't been spread this whole time
I don't fuck around when I come to 4chan.

Can someone post page 502/503? Looks like I missed that one when it was posted.

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>>54725320

>>54724926
>I can't put Mauler on an improved familiar without DM fiat, right?
There's a Jolly!Vigilante talent which explicitly allows it.

>>54725525
Ah, right, he posted that one out of order. Thats why I missed it.

Thank you anon.

And thanks to you too leakfriend, wherever you are, keep up the good work!

>>54725545
Yeah, no worries. Had to go back a few threads is all.

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An interesting thing I noticed after looking into it is that if you want to be a pure melee monster in Starfinder, you actually don't want to be in power armor.

Let me explain; the best power armor (Jarlslayer) brings your speed down to 20, gives you +24 KAC, +18 EAC, brings your size up to large, gives you two upgrade slots (not great) and 2 weapon slots, and brings your strength up to 29. That's really good.

However, someone that starts with 18 strength, +1 from their theme, +4 from levels, and +6 from a stat-booster will have the same amount of strength. Vesk Monolith level 3 armor (A level 20 suit) gives you +26 EAC, +27, reduces your speed by 5, only has a -2 armor check penalty, and has an absolutely massive 7 upgrade slots. If you're an Armor Storm soldier or picked it as your secondary, you can even install power armor mods into it at no extra cost. The only things it doesn't make up for are losing large size and not having integrated weapon slots, but I'd say that's weighed out by not needing to carry around a shitload of ultra-size batteries to keep your dwarfsuit running.

It doesn't hurt you too bad if you don't want to go all-in on strength, either, since the difference between 26 strength and 29 strength isn't particularly appreciable most of the time.

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Sup /pfg/, I'm the DM for the Kal-Vortun campaign, the one setup on a discworld-ish setting. Sorry for not posting for awhile, we kinda went through a hiatus where the campaign got shifted around, and several flakish players were dropped in exchange for more consistent players. Anyway, we now have a full party of level 3 players, which means I can now do more complicated things.

Our last session more or less consisted of roleplaying, and getting players acquainted with their new city home: Wind Rises. It's a decidedly polish-themed city that's run by an ancient cult of tengu cavaliers. It's current ruling family is the Raginis clan, which consists of roughly 3000 people, and whose heraldry is a huge stylized gryphon, set upon a white frame with a single offset red stripe.

The party was first introduced to their Guild Hall(The neon green mark up top). They met up with their secretary; a Tengu peasant named Pamela Kulczynska(Pronounced: Cool-shin-ska), and were given a permanent lodging room within the guild hall. I made sure to explain to the party that their guild room is a very secure location, as it's protected by an Arcane Lock that can only be opened by the party members, and it has both barracks and storage for the party and their loot. While the lodgings are very meagre, it will be free to them so long as they operate under the crown.

They had a small feast, and were introduced to some of the town delicacies. Such as a popular dish consisting of fried dumplings filled with fish meat. Then the next morning Pamela had set them up an appointment with a Crown representative. They met up with a Court Wizard for the royalists, by the name of Marian Perepeczko. He had them sign up papers pledging their service to the crown, as well as sign over the Reposession Rights to a fort(captured in the previous session) in exchange for a fair reward. He gave them some downtime to visit the merchants in the city to sell off their loot.

>>54725708
Bit of a bummer, that. Such is life, I suppose. Thanks for looking through it!

>>54725761
It's worth noting that the Jarlslayer power armor is only level 15 power armor, and that Paizo has promised us "gundams" in the future. While Heavy Armor is currently better for a dedicated melee combatant than Power Armor, I imagine mechs (which will very likely run on a similar system to the power armor rules) may well change that.

Also, power armor remains a viable idea for anybody that doesn't go hard into strength, since even if you have complete shit for strength you'll still have 29 in Jarlslayer, so if you're willing to pay the cost to pick it up it can be a viable way of expanding your character's options.

>>54725760
More:

After selling off the party loot, they met up with one of the Crown Princes, in order to be sworn in as agents of the Crown. Up at the city castle, they met with the Heir Apparent; Prince Calpheon Raginis. He was a grizzled old tengu cavalier with a modest honour guard, and a silver prosthetic arm. Despite his battle scarred appearance, I played him off as being a genuinely cheerful and friendly person, and described him as being more of a local celebrity to the party members with good local knowledge. He had them swear oaths to his father's crown, just the usual cavalier stuff. But that leaves off the current session.

And that brings me to some more things. I want to run them through a sort of "Trial by Fire" encounter, to start off their adventures as official agents. Next session they're going to be sent to resolve a hostage situation at a dye factory. Here's the idea.

> An unknown group of foreign agents has setup camp in a Dye Factory, just on the outskirts of the city proper.
> They have issued no demands, and have spoken to absolutely nobody on their way in. Although it is estimated that they have taken 4 hostages.
> However, the building is ON FIRE. They have set a number of fires inside the building's structure that have caused it to smoulder and produce smoke. But the factory's fire suppression system is keeping it in check.
> The building is 3 stories tall, and contains roughly a hundred rooms, numerous windows, and 3 ground floor entrances. One basement entrance in a loading dock. Only thing not available is the roof, as a huge cloud of smoke prevents aerial approach.

And for a few notes.
> Party will be given a small rod, enchanted with 'Endless Water'. They're instructed that if one of them can get it to the building's fire suppression room, it can be used to put out all fires in the building at once.
> Without doing this, anyone entering the building MUST hold their breath for the duration of entry, and until exit.

>>54725851
The hostiles will be a mixture of Ancient-tech Automatons, mixed with Android Cultists.

> Almost all of them will be lightly armoured, but heavily armed, with a mixture of advanced firearms, and skymetal blades that cut through iron based armour.

>>54725870
Those weapons are going to be worth a fuckton.

>>54725989
Only when recovered completely. The same skymetal that ignores all iron is as fragile as glass, while at the same time it's loaded up on a robot body that's essentially made of hardened plastic. Strenuous combat is going to shatter them into millions of pieces.

I've run these enemies before. The party won't be earning a 1:1 against them, that would just break the game too quickly. So they'll get a limited quantity of the skymetals as party loot, maybe a pound at most. The firearms are where most of the money comes from, even if they suffer a 90% cost reduction from the setting having them be Common.

I've already planned out that the party will be earning a maximum of 7000 gold from this encounter, and whatever the party doesn't sell off from monster loot, the city will give them as a reward to round up to 7k. Same deal, I also reward experience based on Loot-sales.

Every gold piece worth of loot sold to their home city awards them with 1 exp, split between the 6 party members.

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>leakanon said he would leak the equipment and spells
>only leaked the equipment

For intrigue game my character married into a noble family. We were vassals to the noble family for generations and I have considered who should be essentially the progenitor of this.

I decided it is my character's Oread Great Great Great Grandfather. Being an Oread this man is actually still alive at 187 years old, and not even considered really elderly yet (He is Old, not Venerable). My character, and the rest of the family, are human. Part of my character's story involves the fact that during his father's generation the progenitor of his family turned away from the noble family they had been serving (he had already been a recluse for decades) and left entirely. My character having a complex that this was due, partially, to his failure as an heir.

Also my character being painfully aware of the fact that he will live, grow old, and die while the progenitor will likely be around, seeing his children grow old and die, and his children's children, and their children, and so on. It is sort of a shadow upon his life.

>>54725834
Is level 15 the minimum to equip it? Because that's very, very late.

>>54726200
No, just the rough level of when you can buy it. Most settlements will sell you items equal to your level+1, major settlements will sell you items your level+2 (like absalom station). You can use it at level one if you can find a way to acquire it.

>>54726220
Just ask somebody real nice.

>>54726220
still not great, then. If you're hoping for Gundams, and that power armor is level 15 already...

It's just. how often do we get to play at level 18+?

>>54726239
If we were that pumped for gundams, I wouldn't be surprised if people made a campaign about having mech suits, in which case fuck their suggested acquisition level, we're playing gundams.

>>54726238
Well that is something you can do. With the right connections with certain influential individuals your GM is free to allow you to purchase wildly high level items if need be. Or just ignore level suggestions entirely and sell a level 20 suit of armor to a level 2 scrub that just happened to find a dragon hoard in a random asteroid.

>>54726269
Exactly, do as you please. Me personally, I think gundams will be along the same lines as starships in that they don't have a set price and will be more for story purposes.

>>54726272
And that's how 2 Space Hicks lucked into mechs and entered them in a demolition derby.

>>54726200
No; item level in Starfinder is like caster level on magic items in Pathfinder. it's not a requirement to buy it or use it, just a guideline to the GM for around when it should be available.

if you look at the lowest level general use power armor ( the battle harness), it sets your strength score to 18, which at that point you may have already left behind, meaning it actually reduces your strength rating, though it does provide better AC, and has a pretty kickass battery life of 1 charge/hour.

This is versus Lashunta Ringwear in Heavy Armor, which is cheaper (though not by a huge amount), has somewhat lower armor bonuses, but doesn't take any charge at all to run. The Battle Harness is, as long as you can keep it supplied with energy, better. That seems to be a general trend; the problem is that power armor just doesn't scale up to level 20, and requires maintenance in the form of batteries. If we had a level 20 suit of power armor, I bet I could point it out as being comparable to Vesk Monolith III armor. I imagine we'll get just that when the mech book comes out.

When you try suggesting a cool but suboptimal concept to your group
>OMFG WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT FAGGOT
>Oh god it hurts you're so stupid
>Lol you a dumb cuck

When the popular diva player suggests a cool but suboptimal concept to your group
>OMBG THAT'S SO AWESOME
>Oh god I need your cock inside me
>Lol I love it

When you try suggesting a cool but suboptimal concept to your group
>OMBG THAT'S SO AWESOME
>Oh god I need your cock inside me
>Lol I love it

When the dumb virgin retard in your group suggests a cool but suboptimal concept to your group
>OMFG WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT FAGGOT
>Oh god it hurts you're so stupid
>Lol you a dumb cuck

What do you run for a group that doesn't seem to want to do anything? Nobody seems invested, nobody wants to roleplay, and I'm starting to feel like I might as well just give up and end the campaign. Because my players certainly act like they don't enjoy it, and I'm really not enjoying just running them through a gauntlet of dice and statblocks for the sake of getting told "Man I hate Pathfinder, we should be playing 5e."

>>54726424
>>54726452
I'd like your cocks inside me, Anons. What are your Discords?

>>54726424
Are you in any way surprised that half the people that play RPGs online would turn into sycophantic slobbering yes-men as soon as someone even remotely female OR attractive - since half the group is going to be desperate enough to also want the cock, not because they'd have been actually gay if they weren't this autistic but purely because they are that desperate - appears before them?

Oh and don't point out when the bitch is being several That Guy species all at once if you wanna keep playing. Diva is just begging for something to project onto.

>>54726424
>>54726452
ebin, truly ebin

>>54726468
Nothing. You kill the game and look for a new group.

>>54726468
Tell them to go fuck themselves. You'll be happier without them, and chances are you'll have the last laugh when they realize what they were missing out on.

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Friendly reminder that /pgg/ /pfg/ /sfg/ now has a Starfinder Discord cabal here:

https://discord.gg/YAk263j

>>54726692
Why must you do this, I have a wife and child.

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OFFICIAL STARFINDER TIER LIST:

Mid/High Tier 3: Operative
Somewhere in Tier 3: Mystic, Technomancer
Low Tier 3/High Tier 4: Mechanic (drone), Soldier
Low Tier 4/High Tier 5: Mechanic (exocortex), Solarian
Low Tier 5: Envoy

Did I get it right?

>>54726845
Technomancer and Mystic are tier 2.

>>54726900
We don't know that yet, hold your horses.

Also, Soldier might be tier 3, due to having some surprising combat versatility in the form of grenades that do different things.

>>54726906
Soldier is a purely combat class.
It's tier 4 simply by virtue of not having a single out of combat feature.

>>54726906
A few combat tricks doesn't put you into tier 3, bub.

>tier lists tied to old pathfinder definitions
oh just fuck off

>>54726845
>official rules
>using platest creature examples built out of a different ruleset
>don't have any actual; combat rules for Starfinder
>official
You know, you're not only reaching, you're showing your personal bias already. You can't prove any of that shit you just claimed because you don't even have a rule-set to work with.

Which are good picks for a melee paladin with unsanctioned knowledge?

>>54727181
We know how a lot of the combat works and we have First Contact.

Hey pgg, im playing an oradin in my campaign, we have a magus dps and a master summoner, but im not feeling like i contribute much what are my options, i often enjoy support/healer classes, whats a role i can fall into from here?

Sorry if it's been posted already but do we have the chargen rules yet?

>>54727326
First Contact was created by using PF quickgen rules, meaning the math does not match up for SF, as you were told in the other thread.

>>54728275
PF quickgen rules are what Starfinder uses, dummy.

Are solarian blades magical? It isn't written anywhere on the manual

I'm annoyed that Slayer has so few talents that are worthwhile, and so few that modify studied target. Any good 3pp slayer talents, anons?

>>54726845
Still not understanding the logic behind Solarion and Envoy are shit.

Struggling to see how Operative is better than Mystic and Technomancer WHEN WE DON'T HAVE SPELLS.

Any idea when Leakanon should be posting more stuff?

How awful Sniper Rifles are is truly baffling.
They can't full attack, but deal less damage per shot than Longarms, which can full attack, all while requiring a less common weapon proficiency than Longarms.
If that wasn't enough, the class support for Sniper Rifles makes even less sense:
The Soldier Combat Style designed for Sniper Rifles (Sharpshoot) has half its' features work only on full attacks, which Sniper Rifles CAN'T do, meaning the Combat Style meant for Sniper Rifles doesn't actually work with Sniper Rifles.
Operative support is even worse - you never get any way to add Trick Attack damage to them, so you're stuck with a really bad parody of a Longarm to which you can't even add most of your class features. To rub salt in the wound, you can only knock people unconscious with it at high levels, but not actually kill them. All while you get far more damage out of Small Arms thanks to your class features actually working with them.
The only advantage Sniper Rifles get for all this nonsense is high range, which is extremely situational, and likely will never come up in an AP because AP's are written with the intent to allow everyone, including melee characters, to participate in all important action.
To make the whole ordeal even more humiliating, unless you spend a move action to aim, Sniper Rifles typically have lower range than Longarms.

>>54727196
bumpo?

>>54729310
Yeah I was talking to my friend before the info came out that if they have a range of over 500' they're basically never going to be used because... well guess what No one can tactical combat that shit and that will be 0 fun for every other class.

That and Well fuck me Operative the class that gets the proficiency by default has like you said jack shit they do with snipers.

>>54729310
Their main purpose seem to be shooting from very long distances, in which case the safety of laying hidden at a vantage point, while still able to attack, is the main benefit. Sharpshoot style is probably expected to use other weapons for closer encounters, where you don't have the benefit of being hundreds (sometimes thousands) of feet away from harm.

>>54729499
>Their main purpose seem to be shooting from very long distances, in which case the safety of laying hidden at a vantage point, while still able to attack
Name one Pathfinder AP when you can meaningfully snipe with a longbow from 200-300ft away.

about to enter in a jade regent game, what are good ideas andnwhat should I avoid for this AP?

>>54729518
Jade Regeant

>>54729592
In which book?

>>54729600
Book 2. A boat full of vikings will aproach the party to attack from like I think a couple of hundred feet away. Very early in the book.

>>54729518
Any one that deals with open areas or outdoors flying opponents. Did it plenty in Crimson Throne. Stupid "name one" challenges aside, any game with friends where things other than dungeons happen. Can easily see in Starfinder situations arise in cities or other places where you can make a sniper situation happen if you wanted, possibly when setting up an assassination or a meeting with enemies.

Anyway, specializing in snipers as your go-to weapon is definitely dead in the water. It's niche and I can see how that disappoints some.

>>54729652
I mean, snipers are specialized tools, you shouldn't be basing your entire build around them but knowing your way around one is good. If you need to assassinate some low-health Aristocrat, for example.

>>54729518
Fuck that man, name campaigns you've played that have had at least half the characters melee or close range where you've been able to actually use a longbow at range increments past 1 more than rarely.

I have a player who had luring cavalier for the longest time and loved careful aim for the few rare situations... thing is though between level 3-9 [retrained out of it after that] he probably only used it... maybe 6-7 turns in combat total. There were a few situations out of combat where it came in handy but other than that yeah...

Honestly if your players are expecting tactical combat not theater of the mind you can usually say goodbye to most long range things.

>>54729652
>>54729727
At the very least I doubt paizo will go very long before a splat comes out to make snipers at least function with the features of classes that are proficient in them. Operative alone can't possibly go long before someone demands the not!sneak attack can be applied, probably with some special scope attachment.

>>54729727
Might as well just not be proficient with it at that rate or be a soldier with long arms because they're basically better except at extreme range.

>>54729975
Trick attack can be applied, you just have to grab that trick attack exploit or whatever. That said it's generally not that helpful.

>>54729993
>Trick attack can be applied
Nope. Only Debilitations, not the base Trick Attack itself.

>>54729328

I'm playing a 2hander Chosen One in a Hells Rebels game atm, I can give you some help if you'd like it.

I went with:

1. Vanish
2. Alter Self (GM houseruled it to have a hours long duration, so hella good for disguises)
3. Aura of the Unremarkable
4. Dimension Door

>>54730248

Now I was wanting some more versatility to my character so I could help with investigation and sneaking around, but if on the other hand, you wanted straight up combat buffs.... Maybe ask your GM if you can take Divine Sacrifice from 3.5? It's a first level spell, you get an additional 1d6 of damage on your first attack per turn for each 2 hp you burn, up to 5d6.

>Leakanon posting SF kept the thread relatively on-topic
>Someone wants to split back into two threads
Time to fall back into celeb posting

>>54730832
Aaaaaaaaaaaaa did you forget to throw out the night tea?

>>54730832
Just be glad there's a Starfinder Discord now:

https://discord.gg/YAk263j

>>54729560

There's not a lot of choices that are actively "bad" in Jade Regent. You can do pretty well as a variety of character types

>>54731029
why the fuck do we need more discords, it's just going to be the same people spreading the same copypasted discussions over multiple servers

>>54731119
Because the discord fags get off on people in the generals complaining about their "cabal". I bet they're the ones who decided to split the threads just to shit on people who aren't in their little club.

>>54730832
Which of the Ensoulment heroes have fucked yet?

>>54731170
I heard Derrin fucked a farmboy

>>54731173
I thought she was a lesbian?!

>>54731146
The new Discord was made by 2hu who got banned from the old one.

>>54731181
Most girls think they're lesbians at some point, anon

>>54731181
she tried to flirt with the farmboy's ghost sword!

but then she got TIEF'D

>>54731305
Oh no, she can never go back to human men now!

Has anyone managed to find a full PDF of the Starfinder book yet or is it still just the excerpts?

>>54731359

Still just the individual leaked screencaps, I think, but Leakanon has shared a LOT of them.

>>54731359

across the various threads its like 25%-33% of the book.

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Okay, guys. It's time. The dread Hee'popatotun, patron deity of bad taste and loud untalented bards, has raised an enormous host of screaming, false-singing aberrations to subjugate the material plane. YOU are the only dudes bad enough to take on this threat, but one questions remains: what does your band look like?

>REQUIRED:
>Lead singer
>Percussion
>At least one type of some kind of melodic instrument
>Manager (an NPC who provides you with info on the enemy's advances and spreads news about your next gig to your fans)
>Fans (the more of them you have, the stronger your music becomes)

Play me the music!

>>54731429
One of them is gonna be Ed Shirren of course

>>54731429
Fuck off SSD.

>>54731429
Android on the synth!

>>54731478
But androids can't benefit from morale bonuses anon!

>>54731493
THE ANDROID
PLAYS
SYNTH

>>54731493
Racial Feat!

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>>54731493

Androids benefit from whatever they please, anon.

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>>54731614
Are you implying something?

>>54731397

Everything from "Overview" up to "Equipment" has been posted.

I am personally looking forward to "Tactical Rules" now.

>>54731493
Androids in Pathfinder are autistic, but Androids in Starfinder are just "unused" to them.

That is to say, Androids in Starfinder are literally a case of, "teach me about this human emotion you call love~!"

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>>54731631

Possibly.

>>54731634
I really want Starships and then Spells, pretty key features imo. Tactical Rules will probably just be small changes.

>>54729518

Hell's Rebels.

>>54729652
You even try setting that up once, and
A) the rest of the group bitches that's no fun for them
B) anything you do snipe just gets a "yeah okay he's dead" from the GM without altering or changing anything at all from the next encounter, or offering you any xp or loot. The BBEG is just as alive as before the fight starts, his guards are just as numerous and alive as before the fight would have normally started, you got to do nothing because "fairness".

Is anything cool expected from Elemental Master's Handbook?

>>54732076
I mean, to be fair are snipers EVER fun for anyone in games that aren't lone-wolf singleplayer?

>Arena FPS game snipers are just an excuse for people to stroke their E-Peen over how well they can click on the pixel-sized heads of players a map away
>Squad-tactics games (like nu-XCOM) have snipers either as gods of the battlefield that could solo whole maps (but are shit until ranked up), or just worthless in general
>tabletop game snipers require the entire party to play around them, and either demolish shit before it can react or is just another damage dealer who can't even soak up any fire if shit goes south

>>54732201

Sniper/Designated Marksman is a useful role in Shadowrun or other heist-style games; they can't solo every combat by virtue of limited FOV, and by their nature they'll be near bu tnot on-site and that just plain doesn't work for heisting; but they are invaluable support pieces to take out guards quietly or, when things inevitably fuck up, extremely loudly.

>>54732265
Snipers being useful isn't so much the point as "are they fun to play around?" is. If they're not fun, then people are less inclined to include them, even if it makes more sense to.

>>54729304
In about 10 hours.

>>54732201
Sniping is broke in tabletop for the same reason stealth is. It needs people to ALL stealth kill everything, otherwise it's just one dude, who is either a wave of destruction that eclipses the party, or is at best just as efficient as the more direct options.

>>54732201
Depends on the system.
In better FPS games, the sniper's built to cover (especially from above) a team going through a large space; keep the other side's heads down. With voice-chat they'll also be telling you who's where.

Squad tactics games the same can be said of anyone: my axe ranger murders everything that runs by or at her turn after turn after turn.

For tabletops it varies: either the game (usually how ranges/encounters are set up) makes it as we've both complained, OR it can also be quite good: Tactical RPGs like Heavy Gear will have the sniper pumping light damage results into enemies before they get into reasonable (since there's long and extreme rangebands) accuracy range; while a light little scout thing will have its engine blown right out, for the most part you're actually a kind of debuffer with that SLC. In games like that it actually works really well for everyone.

>>54732347
See, that sounds kinda neat, but I would worry that the player would essentially be doing all of their turns first to make the fight easier, and then the rest of the party rolls in and they just quietly sit on the sidelines.

>>54731119
Because Arkwright is upset that his butt buddy 2hu got banned for being 100% willing to murder someone.

>>54732388

Why? Once the rest of the party is engaged they can still be providing overwatch and taking shots at enemies as they are presented. Not like there's some arbritrary minimum range for sniper rifles other than 'really hard to use at point blank'.

>>54731614
>>54731691
Can I play a Femchari in Starfinder?

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>>54724502
just kill your dm and do the world a favor.

Can you use cut-from-the-air or arrow-deflect against a shotgun scatter shell?

So how does CR work exactly? I calculate the CR to equal to party's total level?

>>54732467
Female Android!

>>54732575
Considering that shotguns generally fire as a cone-shaped AoE rather than a single attack, I wouldn't assume so.

>>54732606
That's how it's supposed to work, yes.
The problem is that most parties will either optimize to the point that you can't challenge them with anything less than a CR above their level, or they'll be too inept to handle anything but a CR below their level.

And CR is a rough guideline in the first place, since some monsters will be easy to defeat if you can just force them into melee combat, while others are able to smack down anybody they get into melee with.

It's at this point that you realize Pathfinder combat is essentially rocket tag.

>>54732388
What happens is whenever the sniper takes his turn one of several enemies is going to lose a little bit of armor and take a -1 to something or maybe even lose a weapon or some movement.

Everything's still in full motion though, and unless the sniper started at max range (in which case there's one, maybe two depending on how fast things are going, but if they're going top-speed their defense is much higher) enemies can fire back, if inaccurately. As can the party, of course.

So at most you've got one turn of sniping; and once everyone gets to within your short range shit like panzerfausts, heavy autocannons, bazookas, etc (the long range on the latter two is around your 'medium') are demolishing stuff way more effectively - in fact the sniper should probably carry one or three as well.

Melee usually just ends things for whoever fails his piloting, so those debuffs are nice there too.

>>54732672
Fight with a CR equal to the party's level isn't supposed to be a challenge though, it's just meant to take about 25% of their daily resources through attrition. It's all in the books. A "fair" fight where party actually has a 50% chance to lose is CR=APL+4. Challenging fights are APL+2 or 3 for an unoptimised party.

I want to carry a Drow!

How do you feel about supporting the demonic war economy every time you by an Apostae beam rifle?

>>54729351
>>54729499
Oh no, a weapon that exists is not optimized for every situation ever.

>>54729518
Name one in game situation that would be made less troublesome with a long distance assassionation. I can name dozens. They don't have to be in APs to exist. the potential for it's use exists, which warrants the existence of a sniper rifle.

Don't complain about having options, anon.

>>54732973
Carry how?

Bridal style?

>>54733026
yes

>>54732989
>wow even if I specialize in this weapon it does less than a fucking knife to the kneecap

Is it possible for someone to be unaware of an attack and thus incapable of blocking/countering/cranewing/etc/etc...ing it even if they have improved uncanny dodge and cannot be surprised?

>>54733052
Show me a knife that can hit somebody in the kneecap from half a mile away.

>>54733159
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etD3uzyyThU

>>54733223
Not half a mile, and not actually a knife... but that is still pretty impressive.

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>>54733238
>ballistic knife
>not a knife

>>54733293
You can name it whatever you want, a blade-launcher is not a knife, it's a projectile weapon.

How much does your character stinks for wearing armour, probably rusty as well, all day?

>>54733324
Oh, horrible! He smells absolutely horrible! Good thing there's always a convenient stream, bath or source of water available to make with the washy-washy.

>>54733324

>letting your armor rust

Anon, I...

>>54733324

>not using Prestidigitation to always smell perfectly

>>54733312
But... it's still usable in MELEE. Like a KNIFE.

>>54733355
So is a rifle with a bayonet, that doesn't turn a rifle into a knife.

>>54733324
My character maintains his armor, he just does it offscreen. And yes, he does bathe--streams, bathtub at an inn, maybe just a bucket and rag if those aren't available.

If you actually think that a GM gives a shit, though, you're hilariously wrong. The only GM who would ever assume that characters aren't bathing and grooming in downtime is the kind of GM who ends up tanking a campaign after two sessions of browbeating his PCs. Same with GMs who claim your horse/familiar died because you didn't EXPLICITLY feed it every day.

Can a Tiefling store/carry a weapon, like polearm, with the help of its prehensile the tail around it while he/she uses something else?

>>54733406

Why not have a page to do it for you?

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>>54733400
but this is a knife that is ALSO, yknow, able to be propelled. It's mainly a knife, but also a gun. A rifle is a gun, that also happens to be a spear.

Please fucking kill yourself.

>>54733437
Mostly because a) hirelings cost money I'm not willing to spend, and b) the more NPCs you have around, the more your plans get complicated. Of course there's also always the fun time of c) every NPC can and will betray you if the GM decides he wants to fuck you over. The only person you can ever really trust in a TTRPG is yourself, so you keep all your equipment on your person.

>>54733533
>2017
>Trusting yourself

... Anon...

>>54733424
You could conceivably hold a weapon with your tail, but it wouldn't count as drawn or readied, since your tail is still so unwieldy and ill-suited to using heavy objects.

>>54733442
>It's mainly a knife, but also a gun.
And that kill was the gun version, and thus not a knife kill.

>>54733550
At least I can predict myself better than the NPCs, so if I betray myself, I'll be ready for it.

>>54733324

My character is a Magus. She has literally zero reason to not have Prestidigitation prepared all day long. You have any idea how much blood this falcata produces?

>>54733567
but the projectile WAS A KNIFE

>>54733553

Not for using, just to keep it somewhere or help attaching the thing to a bunch of straps or something.

>>54733624
Maybe she should improve her technique so she doesn't get blood all over her!

>>54733626
really it's a knife that throws itself

>>54733437

Speaking of pages...where can I find rules for them? Can you make such characters as PC?

>>54733637

Well the falcata is actually the less messy option really. Its either that or the chainblade.

>>54733627
Maybe, if it's like the same as an ankle sheath. But I wouldn't recommend you push your luck. Stick to light weapons, like daggers, so your tail doesn't get weighed down.

>>54725530
I'm not a Vigilante, though. So if I have to choose, which is better? A Mauler familiar or an Improved familiar? I think Mauler might be better for, well, mauling things, but Improved could offer some utility in and outside of battle depending on which one I pick and is also generally cooler? Like, why get an angry fox when I could have a shadow drake or a little devil imp or dragon with butterfly wings?

>>54733738
Mauler is only good if you're something like an Eldritch Guardian that can grant it your combat feats.

Improved Familiar, on the other hand, will grant you far more options, while also being better at combat if you pick something durable. An imp, faerie dragon, or lyrakien azata would be your best bet, because all of them can be decent UMD-bots.

>>54733779
Are there any special items for familiars or spells I could use that would make a wand-wielding familiar less likely to get shot out of the sky by enemies at higher levels?

>>54733658
Cavalier, Fighter, Gunslinger, and Paladin all have "squire" type Archetypes. But they're all pretty shitty. You don't want to be one, and you definitely don't want a cohort or hireling to be one.

>>54732627
But Mechari are charismatic! What am I to do about the -2 Cha?

>>54733810
Not really. Just keep them protected and hidden at the back of the pack, where they can provide you and your party with buffs or healing as needed.

>>54733868
>What am I to do about the -2 Cha?

Pump yourself full of points into the Social Skills, and when Level 5 rolls around you put a +2 into Charisma!

>>54733880
Okay. Do you have any particular wands you'd recommend for them to use? I'm inclined to just go with something that'll cure damage, but at high levels the healing will be too trivial to bother with and most of those are touch spells anyway, not great for keeping to the backlines. I'll probably switch to some buff spell in a wand, but I'm not sure which. Haste, maybe, but they only need that to be cast once usually and that's also a pretty expensive wand... Manageable at high levels though, probably.

>>54733943
Depends on your budget. Haste and mage armor are a couple of classics, plus bear's endurance for anybody who doesn't already have a Con-boosting item.

What's your Starfinder raifu?

>>54733324
I a self cleaning mithral shirt. Sure mithral shirts weigh a bit but it's not crazy.

I carry a type I bag of holding around for my stuff and a few other things. I think my character carries around 40lbs of gear all together. Not crazy.

>>54734037
whatever the equivalent of a shitty, junky hi-point carbine is

:^)

>>54733863

And as either NPC or characters temporarily controlled by the players?

What're your ideas for your Starfinder campaigns, /pgg/? Personally, I'm going to make mine up as I go along! And run it for you guys!

>>54733324
>>54734069
Enchanted armor does not rust.

>>54734141
I want Kingmaker in Space, or better yet a mining expedition into the Vast where we strip-mine asteroids, crack planets and fuck with primitives!

>>54734141
I want Wrath of the Righteous in space, perhaps another war with the Swarm. Either that or Skull and Shackles in space now that (space)ship combat seems fun, plus my pirate waifu is now a main god.

>>54734141
S&S in space.

>>54733779
Homunculi make good familiars if you can upgrade them like most constructs.

>>54734247
>>54734272
I want to covet your celestial body!

>>54734141
I want to explore a dilapidated alien space vessel crashed on a desolate planet, and then bring something back with us even we return to our ship! Something horrible!

>>54734141
The party own a shuttle that ships valuable people from Point A to Point B with minimal fuss!

>>54734279
ravioli ravioli don't lewd the homonculoli

>>54734247
>>54734272
>>54734363
>>54734393
Sounds cool, anons!

What classes would you be playing? What races? lewd or non lewd?

>>54734433
>Soldier!
>Elf!
>LEWD!

So what are the deets on Godslayer? I heard it finally launched but I can't believe my eyes.

>>54734433
>Solarion
>Halfling
>Heck yes!

>>54734433
>Soldier
>tiefling if I can swing it, human if not.
>It's my boyfriend running the game, take a guess.

>>54734573
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84677/godslayers
See for yourself.

>always avoid playing games with PoW because that shit looks fucked on so many levels
>iron gods game shows up, shit, I've been wanting to play that
>PoW
>"How bad can it be?"
>+7 to hit, 2d6+7 energy damage
>regret everything

>>54734663
>+7 to hit, 2d6+7 energy damage
That sounds really low desu.

>>54734573
>launched
What, do you mean it's recruiting or it's running. If you mean the former, yes, but it's not running yet as far as I know. It's been slow to pick up apps, probably due to the chargen's complexity and/or the homebrewed setting. I already have my app in, I'm actually working on my sheet more now.

I think it could be cool. The DM said it's a oneshot but might still actually be divided into multiple sessions, so I hope that means there will be a dungeon crawl or something as we try to find some beastie in its lair, rather than just a single combat.

>>54734680
We're level 1. They apparently didn't even power attack for that.

>>54734694
That still doesn't sound at all impressive.
You can do better in 1pp at level 1.

>>54734663
PoW?

>>54734694
A 20 Strength Fighter does the exact same thing....

>>54734433
>Human
>Operative
>Ridley Scott is pure! PURE!

>>54734721
And can do it again next round without recovery shenanigans.

>>54734663
PoW is for players/a table that minmax their characters regardless, you can't bring PoW to a table of players who are okay with/would rather play unoptimized options. PoW will just reign supreme in those situations. So you can see why /pfg/ are PoW shills.

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How big is too big?

>>54734680
You do know that's like 10 damage on average? Not a lot. What class are they playing mystic?

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>>54734433

There's a lot I want to try, but I'll probably play a mechanic the first chance I get. Haven't thought too deeply about race yet. And I'm really not a fan of lewd stuff.

>>54734832
What kind of Mechanic, Fennec-anon? Do you want your robo-buddy in your head, or a machine? And if a machine, what kind?!

>>54734832
I'm just trying to get a feel for what the people want when I run my campaign, fennec!

>>54734141
Too many. My taste in sci-fi is much wider than my taste in fantasy and I can't decide what to run.

>>54734912
You should run a gang war in an Arcology!

>>54734141
Nothing. Starfinder looks like shit.

>>54734832
Fennec confirmed Pure

>>54735028
No! That's not Fennec, that's an impostor!

>>54735063
You have a filthy mind, you whore of Babylon!

>>54735028

I wanna hug Fennec Anon!

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>>54734853

The exocortex seems pretty cool, not going to lie. Though a mechanical attack dog has its appeal-then again, I've already played a Construct Rider, so it's not exactly a new concept for me.

>>54734433
Vesk arcane soldier with priest background, try to be a paladin as possible with holy weapon fusions and righteous authority in the face of the chaotic Swarm.

>>54735210
Also, as lewd as a space paladin can get away with.

>>54734661
Oh christ.

>>54734433
Got my human Envoy (Icon) ready to go.

Even in the far future, there are still random jackasses trying to start their Youtube careers!

>>54735130
I've been told that an Exocortex doesn't actually help much or at all. Like something about one of the things it 'lets' you do is something you can do anyway?

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What is your characters' poison and why?

>>54735323
Tell us about their gimmick, and why we should like, comment and subscribe to their channel!

>>54735401
Drow.

>>54735401

Booze and cute girls

>>54735401
All my characters have three vices; liquor, food, and voluptuous women.

>>54735401
His weakness is red wine! He doesn't know that though, but if someone gave him a couple glasses he'll go wild.

>>54735401
Blood and cuddling with cute blood donors, because she's a vampire.
Under a more literal reading, Holy Water.

Can you cast spells while holding a limp lash?

Does casting spells (with somatic components) only require one hand?

So should I go in and draw various meme characters in the style of metal gear bosses?

>>54735579
YES

>>54735540
Yes but
>playing classes that need Somatics
Loser

>>54735579
No.

>>54735579
>meme characters
Like NTRacle?

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>>54735325

Maybe I missed it. Do you mean the base Mechanic feature Remote Hack and the Exocortex feature Wireless Hack? Because the one lets you make Computers and Engineering checks at a distance, and the other lets your implant continually make Computers checks within twenty feet, and can stack with your own actions.

>>54735401
The need to fuck everything, even if it's dangerous..... especially if it's dangerous.

Praise the Veskarium, the eternal conquerors of all forms in all forms!

>>54735670
Rory, Cashmere, Gloriana, I don't keep track of meme characters too closely. Someone give me a list

>>54735591
Wizards are awesome.

What if you're holding a staff. You can switch it to one hand to just hold it. But then you're holding a whip in your other hand. Do you just have to drop your staff to do anything else? Can you put in a "holster"?

>>54735757
>Wizards are awesome.
Shit taste.
>the rest of the post
You can put away weapons/items as a move action by default. Changing handedness is a free action so is just dropping something.

>>54735732
Rory, Cashmere, Sigmund, Casimir, Onryou, Talathel, Gloriana, Cashmere, Derrin, [whatever the name of that Witch from Ensoulment], NToRacle, and there's probably more!

>>54735670
>>54735579
>>54735732
You could practically outfit an entire campaign with just DHB's characters. If you choose the right ones they have enough personality to be MTG tier boss fights. Probably the good villains are:

>Mordoth Tath, Punch Fatty
>Morg "Bubbles" Benson, Gun Monkey
>Akorian & Toad, Moon hopper
>Harland Pant, Nugget Man
>Nettle, Doctor Love
>Operative Monday, Lucky Monday
>Talathel Thulintham, Falafel
>Adrian Love, The Laughing Man

>>54735732
Rory
Cashmere
Gloriana
Onryou
Casimir
Valeriya
Derrin
Branwen
Essa
Etan

>>54735401
Alchemist's Fire as soon as I hit Fire Resist 10.

Usually before that.

>>54735813
As a move action means you can do it as you move or instead of a move?

>>54735732
Rory isn't really a meme character. His player is a meme for being a retard.

>>54735896
A move action is a move action. But yes, not all move actions are you strictly moving.
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat/#TOC-Move-Actions
Educate yourself. This is a really, really basic mechanic.

>>54735869
What animal corresponds to Gloriana, Onryou, Casimir, Derrin, Essa or Branwen?

>playing strange aeons in book 2
>apparently the party's cleric hid a parcel under the pier
>we go to get it
>fight a gibbering mouther
>we all get confused, my character being the closest gets full attacked, then grabbed
>get engulfed
>dies to con damage for the second time in this fucking book
>rest of the party kills the gibbering mouther after watching me die unable to help
>the only thing in the box is a fucking wand of deathknell, a potion, a scroll and a darkwood longbow
>not even a plot point, just shit loot
>i died for nothing but there's no gm fiat to save me again
I'm fucking pissed. How are your sessions /pfg/?

>>54735989
Gloriana: Dog
Onryou: Lobster
Casimiar: Wolf
Derrin: Chair
Essa: Bar of Chocolate
Branwen: Cow

>>54735898
This, desu

>>54735989
>Gloriana - Dog
>Onryou - Boar
>Casimir - Stag
>Derrin - Cat
>Essa - Desert Fox
>Branwen - Snake

>>54735869
>>54735898
Rory/Etan duo-boss fight. The Wolf and the Fox. One big, the other fast, one strong, the other smart.

>>54736026
>Derrin: Chair
Let me be the first to say I don't understand

>>54735989
>Derrin
I dunno, are there any animals that are super gay?

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>>54736131
Really makes me think

>>54735579
Draw DMs as their most famous app

>>54736193
>posts Lysander
I don't understand

>>54736229
Vult, how do you feel about Starfinder? When will you convert PLD to the new system?

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>>54736229
I... I don't think I'm deep enough in the memes to have a good response for that.

>>54736172

>Dolphins
>Giraffes
>Bonobos
>The American bison

>>54736026
>>54736085
>>54735989
You guys are fucking idiots, Essa is a desert hare.

What's Talathel's corresponding animal/title for the boss fight?

>>54736258
Honestly, I haven't looked at the leaks. I don't have the time to DM another game (got one IRL) so I just have to wait for something to catch my eye and then I'll try and stumble through chargen or something. I expect to fuel my learning via thread memes

That said, if someone wants ideas to run it themselves, hit me up.

>>54736323
>Nihilist Potoo

>>54736326
You aren't going to let your brave Nightwalkers take to the stars? To boldly come where no human has come before?

>>54736323
literally who

>>54736193
>Rory and Etan as Smough and Ornstein

it works too fucking well to be honest

>>54736355
Falafel, Cancer Elf, DHB's uncomfortably evil villain.

>>54736353
Why would I disrupt the plot just because shiny rules came out?

I happen to greatly enjoy using a setting where I can have NPCs say "Magic is magic, right? Why worship gods when you can worship the state?" right before activating a magical super weapon.

>>54735579
You should instead draw the namefags we all hate being punished (DHB, IDrive, 2hu at minimum)

>>54736418
No

>>54736418
>hating DHB

You will be purged, heathen.

aaaaaa I want DHB to stuff his cookies into my mouth!

>>54736361
Aranha and Onryou would work better I think.

Especially since they're in the same game

>>54736418
Using the Royal We doesn't give you any brownie points, Witchhunter.

>>54736408
Don't make it a disruption; just make it the sequel, the next step.

Oh! What if a starship crashed in a valley and the whole thing was inundated with Miasma? Just think of what sorts of strangeness could ensue.

Give me the most interesting one-off adventure hook that you can think of.

>>54736408
>>54736506
TIME IS CYCLICAL.

>>54736521
You and a group of revolutionaries must assassinate the Emperor as he parades through your city!

>>54736521
A starship crashes and strange technological wonders and horrors, as well as extraterrestrial life, are thrust upon an unsuspecting world.

>>54736521
A sleeping demigoddess awakens, and seeks a suitable partner to take her out on a cute date to see the sights and become accustomed with how the world has changed during her slumber.

>>54736521
Three words:

Dwarven family reunion.

>>54736464
Etan and Rory have stronger animal themes (foxes and wolves are both canids), both of them use swords (one uses a two-handed curved sword, the other a one-handed thrusting sword), both of them are shapeshifters.

I feel they work better as an Ornstein/Smough thing than an oni and a spider

>>54736521
The Prince of Thieves has been deposed by his most talented subordinate. Now he needs your help to win back his title and the loyalty of his gang, by stealing the Iron Queen's scepter!

>>54736632
Them both using swords isn't really relevant, Ornstein and Smough didn't have matching weapons. Similarities aren't where you should look.

One's big, one's small. One's beef, one's quick.

>>54736521
"Welcome to Zon-Kuthon's happy wacky spacecapade! All doors are locked, all kytons are loose and the floor is literally going to be lava in a few minutes! Have fun and remember: No tears, for they are a waste of exquisite agony!"

Is Shelyn in Starfinder?! Is she an Idol and matchmaker?!?!

>>54736684
It lets me use the title "The Fox and the Wolf" though, which is cool.

Alternatively, the Fox and the Hound

>>54736712
She's not a core 20 god anymore, but she's still around. All the gods are except for Torag and Rovagug.

>>54736712
Not a core deity.
Zon-Kuthon, however, is a core deity.
Shelynites rekt.

>>54736762
CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIN

What are the advantages of Power Armour (namely a battle harness) over Heavy Armour if you have more than 18 strength?

>>54736806
None really. Power Armour is for dexfags.

>>54736806
Power Armor is a battery-powered Belt of Giant's Strength, you can also load weapons onto it.

>>54736758
>>54736762
But... Can love still bloom on the battlefield?

>>54736521
It's all a simulation, and the plucky adventurers must suddenly fight against the system.

>>54736860
Sure it can, but it just isn't as widely popular in the galaxy as one-night stands with alien BDSM enthusiasts.

>>54736860
My love for you is like a truck
Berserker
Do you want to making fuck
BERSERKER
BERSERKER

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being "Everything's fine" and 10 being "the DM's going to ruin your character" how scared should I be that my DM is having my character see her dead brother, and said dead brother is giving her plot relevant info?

>>54736521
The Dark Lord declares a truce with the Adventurers because he really, really needs to convince his daughter to marry one of his lieutenants, but she's being very stubborn about it, so he's secretly planning a huge Villain Banquet to try and convince her to pick one of them.

>>54736975
If the banquet doesn't end with the daughter falling for one of the PCs...

It just ain't a /pfg/ game.

>>54736975
I disagree. This is not a good idea for a oneshot. It's too good to waste on that.

>>54736958
I need more context, anon. What's your dead brother saying? What was her established relationship with her dead brother in her backstory? What, if anything, is the DM contradicting about that backstory?

>>54736975
We need more than that.

>>54737011
Level 11, 25 PB, maybe Gestalt.

The party are the dastardly foes of the Dark Lord, sneaking in to discover his nefarious schemes and too late learning the honest yet not quite innocent intentions of the meeting!

>>54737103

You running this for pfg, anon? Because I'm 100% down.

>>54737103
His true intentions are to marry one of the adventurers to both himself AND his daughter, because it was a dark lord version of Arturia+Mordred all along

>>54737007
Without spoiling too much. My character's brother died protecting her from an orc horde, sacrificing himself to allow her time to flee and get to safety. I based it off of a section in the Claymore manga. He's appeared to my character twice in private sessions, once to warn her of an ambush by the royal guards, which we successfully defended against, and now to warn her of an approaching high level "warband," which I won't say say in case any of the other players are here.

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>>54737190
Just perfect.

>>54737190
Who are some of the lieutenants? Tell me! Tell me!

>>54737190
>>54737103
>>54736975
YOU'VE GOT WORK TO DO ANON

>>54737195
Okay, that doesn't sound too bad. If anything, that sounds more like a good GM making use of a character hook in your backstory.

I'd be happy to have that going on, I've had to bust my ass just to make the GM remember I'm there, let alone that my character has family.

>>54732862
Except this is false. It never says this in the PF core rule book, and it never has.

This is a stupid and inane holdiover from previous editions that fucks up more encounters than anything else. There is also the fact that people ignore the Monster Roles in the back of the Bestiaries, which gives you a good idea of what monsters go well against which types of characters.

>>54737251
One of the lieutenants is the spymaster, one of the adventurers who's been in deep cover all along pretending to be a human.
One of them is an affable old wizard gentleman, basically the Merlin to the royals.
One of them is the dark lord's wingman and head knight, a dragoon and dark knight
Should I go on?

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How soon until Pathfinder gets an updated version of the Ultimate Equipment random treasure tables that covers everything released since August 2012?

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>>54734141
I want to make a pretty solarian catfolk who adores her vesk solder-mother and won't tolerate anyone saying bad things about their relationship even if she is a slave.

>>54737334
UE2 is probably due, but probably won't happen.

>>54737379
What kind of slave?

>>54737322

yes, in a roll20 recruitment add!

>>54737441
A ___good__ slave.

>>54736521
The Vile Sorceress needs the blood of a hero to complete a dark ritual for her nefarious purposes. She masquerades as a plucky young merchant girl and insinuates herself into the lives of an entire community as a figure beloved by all, before staging her own abduction. The mayor of the town frantically seeks any who could rescue this valued member of their community, and the call to arms for any who think they have what it takes to be a hero goes out.

>>54737379
>A character is a campaign

>>54737379
I wish I had a loyal slave!

>>54737462
Are you implying I'm not just going to use this forIntrigue?

>>54737464
A __good__ slave who does soft,
gentle weapons maintainence and calibration?

>>54737489

you wound me in many ways. I have so many pathfinder ideas I'd like to try to use before all the /pfg/ games become starfinder.

TELL ME ABOUT ELVES
WHY DO THEY WEAR THE MASK?

>>54737559
Good thing it was my own idea, then.

Important question: Is there a way to turn a half-elf into a fullblooded elf?

So... how would everyone like a /pgg/ Starfinder campaign once everything is nice and released? Open to apps, the whole shebang!

On a related note, http://www.strawpoll.me/13644551

>>54737654

Probably-elf blood seems pretty mutable, what with the whole "spontaneously turn into drow" thing.

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>>54734141

So I walked into this target and some knife ears started carving some dice and asked me to join them for a game.
They gave me a sheet to fill out
I'd like to make a human paladin

>>54737580
You're both wrong. It was my idea, silly billy

>>54737528
Yes!

>>54737721
Tavern not target wow

>>54737740
What's wrong with playing DnD in a Target?

>>54737691
>Elves reproduce with humans to create half-elves
>Half-Elf children with humans results in more half-elves
>Half-Elves could mutate into full elves
What a terrifying prospect.

Can we recombine starfinder and pathfinder discussion until the full book actually comes out?

"/sfg/" is glacial and there's tons of starfinder discussion in here.

>>54737831

Sure. Not sure why people were so keen on splitting in the first place, but whatever.

>>54737736
I will only steal the parts I added, so it's fine!

>>54737802
Human and Half-Elf yields another half-elf, Anon. The only thing that saves humans from being bred to extinction is the existence of humans with bad taste that would turn down a strictly superior partner.

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>>54737802
>Humanity is slowly getting WOODED.com into becoming elves.

>>54737925
Interracial is a kink we really don't get enough of around here!

>>54737925

Not to worry, the kitsune are devoted to maintaining the human populace.

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>>54737925
>>54737802
>>54737654

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>>54737691
I ask because I was looking for ways to massively extend a character's lifespan, and aside from being greenlit to make a bunch of Cyclic Reincarnation items that activate on death I don't know what I could really do.
Spell in question: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/c/cyclic-reincarnation/

>>54737870
Oh, that's fine. I encourage you to use all of it. I think it would be fun!