Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

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2nd for the Aeronautica Imperialis

[Ride of the Valkyries intensifies]

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Ld bombs! Are you ready for them?!

Repost from last thread
Aiming to get into Orks for this edition, here's my almost finished list:

Battalion, 2000pts

HQ(3)
Warboss in Mega Armor
>With Power Klaw and Kombi-skorcha
Big Mek in Mega Armor
>With KFF, Power Klaw, Kombi-rokkit launcha, and Grot Oiler
Weirdboy

Troops(3)
29 Boyz and 1 Boss Nob
>29 sluggas & choppas, big choppa & kustom shoota
29 Boyz and 1 Boss Nob
>29 sluggas & choppas, big choppa & kustom shoota
10 Gretchin

Elites(2)
10 Nobz with Trukk
>10 Power Stabbas, 4 Kombi-rokkit launchas, 2 Kombi-skorchas, 4 Kustom Shootas and 2 Ammo Runts
>Big Shoota and Wreckin' Ball
Nob with WAAAGH! Banner

Heavy Support(2)
2 Deff Dreads
>2 Dread Klaws and 2 Skorchas
>2 Dread Klaws and 2 Skorchas
6 Big Gunz
>6 Kannons

There's still 251 points left to go, what should I add to the list? Apologies if this post is hard to read, my first list post and I wasn't sure about format.

>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Venomthropes?
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Toxicrene?
Which should I get first lads?

>>54721107
What's Leadership?

t.Ork, Imperial Guard and Tyranid.

>>54721092

>Ydra

So do you think Gulliman noticed that his chapter have been working with a Scions force called the Alphic Hydras?

>>54721107
>Nids still don't give a fuck within Synapse
>Guarsmen still only lose 1 dude near a commisar

People were ready before it was even a thing.

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>>54721109
Toxicrene are straight garbage

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>>54721120
You will soon find out friend!

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Did all FW QA guys die or soemthing. The state of the last few books they've released has been hilarious

>>54720310
Bit risky to do significant work after base is done.

How'd you do the base anyway? Looks great.

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Give me poses. I want to see pictures of your custom poses.

I hatched this idea during some late night building for a Reaver doing his best "WITNESS ME" impression.

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Why don't Space Marine players appreciate narrative tension?

>>54721132
I don't care for stats and sick strats, they just look and sound cool.

>>54721123
Probably not because all he can hear is Cawl boasting about how his chads are better than the Emperor's manlets

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Would it be allowed for Space Sharks to take Black Templar tactics? Wiki says that they're "most likely" a Raven Guard chapter but that they're unknown overall. I mean, they're both crusading chapters that love melee fighting and fucking up heretics.

Honestly, I'm kind of torn. I like a lot of RG tactics but the BT exclusive relic would be so good for Tyberos. I don't think I can use a single one of the other relics.

>>54721137

Well, one of them did, yeah.

>>54721150
Most of them are still in their insecure teenager years, they just can't handle anything doubtfull.

The rest plays shitty edgy armies like Night Lords and think they're cool.

>>54721166
I don't think he can take relics? Can he?

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>>54721161
well you got one model that you like and looks cool and you have another model that you like, looks cool, and viable in the game.

you know which one to get!

>>54721166
They are Raven Guard. They were sent to the darker spaces because Corax felt they were too brutal and he wanted them to fuck off.

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Steel Legion plastics?

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>>54721092
>Tale of Two OPs

I've been playing imperial fists for years, do you think it would matter if I used a decent chapter tactic?

>>54721178
Named characters are indeed not allowed to take relics.

>>54721166
Personally, I wouldn't care at all. But the issue I could foresee is that all of the ForgeWorld characters do have acknowledged chapters in their keywords... You'll be fine until ForgeWorld releases their own chapter tactics

>>54721166
Play them however you want. Only a pure autist would tell you you can't use BT chapter tactics because you painted them the wrong colour.

>>54721187
Legion of the Damned.

>>54721187
Yes

>>54721107
So when will these edgelords attacks Ulthwe and remove the knife ears?

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>>54721166
if you use black templar chapter tactics, you miss out on this glorious motherfucker.

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>>54721195
Hearing this
You >>54721166
Should just go raven guard mah nigga. It's helpful getting into combat anyway and sharks are understated as a sneaky beakie chapter anyway.

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>>54721092
qt dominatus

>>54721231
Wow he is cute

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>>54721140
I disliked the pose of them just holding the knife in front of them so I tried to go for them drawing the knife from a sheath instead.

>>54721108
Lose the Kombi-rokkit on the Big Mek and use a kombi-Skorcha

Also would recommend using Big Choppas and Klaws on Nobz instead of making them shooty

Try and pick up Tankbustas wroth leftover points

>>54721234
>He

I see what you did there. But how can you be sure it isn't a woman pretending to be a man preteding to be a woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman ? You can just never be sure with those slithery AL fucks

>>54721109
venomthropes if you have a lot of infantry.
otherwise toxicrene.

>>54721222
Is this a hinted conflict or do you just hate elves?

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I got squished in a AM+SM game vs Salamanders today. A thousand point Scion army with an extra thousand points of space marine characters, Greyfax, an eversor assassin, and a chimera against an actually coherent 2k army.
It was fun, especially the part where the crassus got blown up and I had to try to fit 30 scions out of the wreckage without losing more to model placement, while losing two librarians to the vehicle's explosions and killing two of his terminators and almost killing his captain.
Then the captain walked into a chainfist after wiffing all his relic blade attacks, then the two techmarines couldn't manage to take four wounds off a land raider.
But by god not all the scions got wasted

>>54721161
Well then pick the one that is the coolest looking or does the coolest thing on the table top. Generally people asking that want to know which is better.
And the toxicrene is by far the most tentacle rapey of the nids. Not my cup of tea but whatever floats your boat

>>54721174
Hey Tau player!

>>54720310
Reposting for new thread.
That looks like double athonian camoshade for the skin with agrax earthsade in the recesses, is that what it is? Also what are the guts?

>>54721282
>>54721306
Venomthropes it is then, as I like the look and they'll suit my swarm of infantry

>>54721187
better not be, i literally just got a bunch of anvil industry guys im making steel legions out of. if GW comes out with a new sculpt for them right after i just blew a huge wad of cash im gonna cry

>>54721342
Someone get this man some tissues!!!

>>54721178
>>54721195
Thanks, did not know this and now I do.

>>54721227
How would I miss out on him? I thought that since they don't have their own Forgeworld codex tactics yet that Carcharadons could use another chapters tactics?

>>54721229
Yeah, I like their tactics a lot more than most. Theres only one thing I'm a little confused about. Am I able to use their strategem multiple times in the deployment phase? It seems to be set up to do so but I thought you could only spend one CP a phase. I mean, deepstriking a single unit without having the cost of deepstriking is super good on its own but I'm worried that it might be wasted if I only got to use it for a single unit.

>>54721187
Honestly that would be insanely disappointing but might fit that bundle of grenades and the lasgun from the rumour engine. Seriously i know guard need a new baseline model because their current dudes are too big and having cadians be the front dudes is silly now that cadia is gone (yes i know cadians still exist) but come on they are hyping this up way too much for it just to be something like that.

>>54721252
Thats pretty sick

>>54721092
I'm using count as and kitbashed models for my ministorum units, but I'm not sure what to use for Arco-flagellants in terms of converting or count as. Any ideas?

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>>54721092
Give me tips on what to make muh chapter's symbol. I was thinking a moon getting struck my lightning.

>>54721231
10/10
Would fall to Heresy if she tickled my pickle

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Would you a daughter

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>>54721126

Ah fuck I didn't even think of nids.

Anyone got a .pdf of the book that game with the 8th starter set?

>>54721187
Tech primaris

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>>54721414
I would the oldest daughter

>>54721187
Plastic Krieg

They're the new IG posterboys

>>54721252
What color is this?

>>54721398
The apple logo
call them iMarines or something like that and have them all white/cream and a white scars successor since they're all looks and no filling

>>54721414
>Mangus breaks into countless shards of himself
>One of those shards manifests itself as a Loli
>Creates buxom rubrics after Ahriman fucks everything up

Why do I want this

>>54721430
No, only Thousand Daughters.

>>54721107
There's literally only one faction that brings hordes and isn't immune to leadership and that is daemons. So Night Lords are now better at daemon hunting than the GK basically.

>>54721431
Awww yiss gimmie them affordable suicide nazis baby!

>>54721288
Wasn't it implied in the Void stalker book?

>>54721166
yeah thats fine.

there was a warhammer community article about successors tactics and they mentioned using BT tactics for Black Dragons because it suits them even though they're probably a Salamander succesdor.

>>54721446
Why would it be a loli when Magnus is an intellectual? Wouldn't his mind be older than his body?

You get Cake Magnus.

Thinking of taking some Aggressors in my marines. Is it better to take the boltstorm gauntlets or flamestorm?

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Update from last bread couple more things some basing then into real space to harvest suffering-n- such.
Anyway
POST YOUR MODELS!

>>54721469
After he got his back broke his personality fractured, stands to reason some part of him wants to be a little girl that is taken care of by his papa

>>54721477
Well how close do you want them to the enemy?

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>>54721442
Rude.

>>54721457
I dunno what's a void stalker I'd read about something like that.

>>54721439
Looks like they used they gw gold spray, forgot the name

>>54721487
that is the most retarded camel I have ever seen

>>54721187
damn, that skull aquilla is cool.

i need to use it on something.

>>54721501
He got hit by a coconut, Anon. Can't you see the stars?

>>54721483
I think you're reaching here.
Cakes > lolis. Magnus is a control freak. Clearly part of him wants to control younger men by manipulating them with hier vuluptious red tits.

If anyone has enough daddy issues to want to be a loli its Lorgar.

>>54721487
>That pic

Wat.

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>>54721342
Now I want them to be steel legion just to taste those delicious tears

>>54721485
What I was considering was sticking them in a repulsor with a Lieutenant to maximize flamer damage. I'm mostly curious if it would be better to hold them in the rear firing copious amounts of bolter shots.

Rolled 3, 4 = 7 (2d6)

>>54721414
I cast smite on this post

>>54721310
>T-tau poster

>>54721477
Depends what you're facing
Standing still and getting that sweet double flamer over watch is sweet

>>54721389
cyborged up AoS flagellants perhaps

>>54721549
Hey Dustyman. Probably upset that daddy Magnus wouldn't let you do this, huh?

>>54721549
Lets see how many mortal wounds I get

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>>54721487
Jesus Christ, I feel bad for that thing, what the fuck happened?

>>54721537
i think im gonna hold off on buying anymore. worst comes to worst, i can just use the anvil ones as conscripts i guess. still gonna cry though

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>>54721431
Too good to be true

>>54721559
You admit to being a filthy blueberry!

>>54721572
thats what happens when a cow dosent wear a bicycle helmet

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>>54721092
Any day now. Any second now.

>>54721599
Whatever Tzeench you can't just magic them outta a tyranid tummy... can you?

>>54721398
lightning getting struck by a moon

>>54721493
Last of the Night Lords Trilogy by ADB

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>>54721516
>>54721572
No clue honestly. Probably a disease or brain damage.

>>54721452
raptord aren't to bad for going after the comissar first, flying over the bubble wrap and all.

>>54721599
I can't tell if your Squat posting is ironic or not.

>>54721417
You mean the rules, the one with the space marine heraldry, or the one with the plague marine heraldry?

>>54721623
I think I would be okay dying that way...

>>54721398
Lighting that is mooning

This probably seems like a hell of a weird question, but me and one of my friends have gotten into 40k recently, we both have about 1000pts of stuff, basically he's not playing enough for my liking (reality in the way and all)

How do I go about playing games at a GW? Do they like have a system for knowing when people will be there and able to play?

>>54721577
You trying those Trench fighter dudes out? I use their pants for my kitbashed commissars.

After 2 years of fucking around with flash their product was a welcome relief.

>>54721617
Cool I'll have to check that out I've heard good things about the books here.

>>54721635
The space marine one please. I hear it had some heraldry stuff the codex didn't. I guess if that was incorrect I'd rather have someone say so rather than the pdf then.

>>54721630
If its bubble wrapped then the commissar is impossible to reach flying or otherwise as there is nowhere to land.

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>>54721107
You cant fail morale if they're all dead! CHECKMATE HERETICS!.

>>54721651
just show up, theres normally a couple people hanging around who'll probably be up for a game.

if you and your friend want you can just show up at the same time and play each other.

>>54721651
As far as I know, every store has their own system for setting up games mostly because table space is limited. Drop on down to your GW, introduce yourself to the dude at the back of the cashier and ask how do you get into games at the store. He'll point you in the right direction

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>>54721439
Retributor armor from the priming can
The retributor base paint is more of a bronze / gold color which I actually like more I could post my WIP leviathan for comparison.

>>54721386
I spend more time converting models than I do painting or posing them unfortunately.

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>>54721616
>>54721647
Wut?
>>54721644
A broken neck isn't worth it.

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>>54721734
>mfw

A..Anon, Stop

>>54721674
maybe people do it differently in your local area but I've found in my games i usually have rom to go over the guarsmen and commisar to land behind him for a charge with my shrikes.
in the gap thats normal appears between the advancing frontline and the artillery.

Does anyone have a citadel carry case? Does a land raider fit in it?

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>>54721745
Have one more.

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>>54721364
This Anon be right...
>>54721227

By taking Tyberos, you lose out on CTs. Kind of lame until effdubs decides to do CTs for all of the Chapters from their Index.

>>54721653
i got greatcoats and gasmask heads. its amazing how there is little to no clean up on them. im not 100% happy with the gasmask heads, i think im gonna check other makers, but the legs, torso and arms are all aces for me

>>54721698
>>54721707
Fair enough, thanks guys

I just simply didn't believe that there was an Evergreen field of people waiting to play at my tiny suburban store and was wondering if there was some universal "Don't go tuesday because that's AOS night" or something

>>54721782
Thats fine but they aren't bubble wrapped then. A bubble wrap is physically surrounding the model.

>>54721187
Might be adeptus titanicus, given the machine industry noises in the trailer

>>54721487
Honest LOL! wtf is that?

>>54721108
Kombi rokkits are incredibly overpriced. Kombi skorchas is the way to go.

Get another trukk and fill it with tankbustas.

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>>54721826
It's a camel in pain from the looks of things. And here's something that won't make you laugh.

>>54721785
They make 3

>>54721816
This guy again

My army isn't a grey tide but I'm playing Harlequins and if more than 500pts will be allied with daemons, I'm assuming I only have to avoid the crazy fluff dude and no body else will care seeing as I'm new and all?

Actually, fuck it, is there a universal list of "playing against people you don't know" expectations or something past "just be a decent fucking human being for two hours"? because my first priority is to not show up and be "that guy"

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blood angels will never look this cool again

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>>54721842

>>54721166

It was mentioned in an article about Chapter Traits that successor Chapters can use any traits that best fit their character, rather than being stuck with their progenitor's.

So Carcharodons can absolutely use BT rules.

>>54721891
Agreed

>>54721231

HYDRA DOMINATRIX

>>54721108
I think your nobz will get smoked and dont do anything.

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>>54721868
Anon no one will really care, save for that one sperg. Just show up, be cool, and ask for some games, the expectation is pretty much don't be a douche.

>>54721909
But if you take Tyberos, any CTs you would want to take are null and void.

>>54721126
Just turn the commissar into a spawn nerd

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>>54721802

Technically, you would replace all instances of Black Templar Chapter Traits with "Carcharodons" and then take Tyberos.

At least, that's how I'd rule it. Just means you can't run Carcharodons characters alongside anyone else, nor can you run Black Templar characters or special units either. Well, not like either of these stalwart and edgy motherfuckers is going to be being buddy-buddy with anyone else anyway.

>>54722008
Popular culture has made it seem like joining a gaming group is basically a fucking ritual where you die if you're not accepted

>>54721802
That kind of stupid. The least GW could do is allow successor chapters to take their founding chapters bonuses...

Atleast I can still use them in friendly games.

>>54721398
> Moon getting struck by lighting
I painted every chapter symbol on damn near a company's worth of Crimson Fists, make sure you don't mind painting the symbol because you'll be doing it a lot. Practice on some paper or something to nail it down.

That said your symbol is pretty metal so it fits the setting.

>>54721190
Both were Alpharius.

>>54722054
Pop culture is retarded. I showed up at my FLGS with a shoebox of poorly assembled and painted Orks, and I'm still with that group of friends I made 5 years later, just be cool.

>>54722074
But I am Alpharius.

>>54722054
Fucking what? Pop Culture has a group of friends who already exist smashcut to a game of DnD that is already going on and one of them is miraculously a perfect DM

>>54721092
I recently tried out a nob squad with big choppas in a game.

They seemed really crap compared to sluggas to me. Are they?

>>54722083
> shoebox
And I feel like the weird one for using a brownie tray and magnets because foam is a fucking rip-off

why don't any of the new primaris come with 10 helmets on the sprues? don't these people wear their PPE?.

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>>54722070
Thank you, Anon. I'll be sure to do that.

What are your store stereotypes for each army?

Posted these in the wrong thread by mistake.
>>54721504
>>54721530
>>54721550
>>54721569
>>54721589

Has your store done anything cool like this for the Konor campaign?

>>54722137
Forgot the header to my photo dump
>>54721488

>>54722022
no successors just pick a chapters Tactics to use without having to jabenyhe relevant keyword.

it'll be an issue when/if FW make rules for Chararodons tactics. But for now BT tactics Chararodons with Tyberos is fine.

>>54721187
I would be happy.

>>54722137
I don't think I have ever seen that many Titans in a room.

You could probably buy a car for all of those.

Lore wise, is a fleet based Guard Regiment a thing? I am in the early stages of planning a Guard army with the looks being inspired by the Savlar Chem Dogs.

>>54722136
SM: Kids mostly.
Chaos: Edgy teens.
Tyranids: Women or "women".
Imperial Guard: Neckbeards.
Orks: Good wholesome and handsome men who are popular with the ladies.

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>>54722181
The store manager also tossed in his Warhound it was cool, I had never seen titans OR admech at all before today.

>>54721802
wot? that literally says BT tyberos is all fine.
They're a chapter of unclear founding so you just pick one.

>>54722199
Could run them as imperial navy

>>54721816
>Don't go tuesday because that's AOS night" or something
that varies on a store by store basis and is something you'll have check on. My local GW does boardgame sundays, but otherwise is do whatever when ever.

>>54722044
I don't think that's how it works. It reads that if every unit belongs to the same Chapter they get the CT of that Chapter. Every unit has to have the same Chapter.

So you take your units and claim they are use RG CTs. They would share the chapter Raven Guard. If you add Tyberos who has the Carcharodon Astra Chapter keyword, they would no longer all share the same Chapter and could not benefit from any CTs.

Are squad Sargeants still characters?

>>54722251
It literally says that if your chapter does not have tactics of its own that you pick the one that fits the best.

>>54722137

>shit ton of superheavies and a few other units running about their ankles

yep, typical apocalypse

>>54722218

The Navy probably has Marines (Human) for boarding actions and policing crews, as well as general whenever you need a guy with a gun for duties relating to space and space things.

They'd probably be trained a lot like Imperial Guard, but with special training and equipment for Zone Mortalis conditions and airless vacuum.

>>54722251

Read the attached image. Chapter names can be substituted. Otherwise, you couldn't run Gabriel Seth at all, even though his own army is a Blood Angels successor with all the fixings, like Death Company units and Sanguinary Priests. Although I suppose Blood and Dark Angels are a special case, as their own special units do specify Chapter. I guess, common-sensing this, it'd just be characters who can't ever change Chapter.

If there were, for example, a Novamarine character, you'd just take Ultramarines chapter traits and substitute <Chapter> with <Novamarines> while taking no characters or units that have <Ultramarines> as their exclusive <Chapter>.

With how the rules currently read. Wouldn't it be of a benefit to paint your dudes in your own unique paint scheme? just so you can choose the most effective faction to get their rules?

Instead of locking your Wordbearers into a set of rules that aren't good/you don't like.

>>54722349
Some people like their army instead of trying to minmax the absolute life out of a system as an attempt to vindicate their failed childhood successes

>>54722202

>t. Griznak DeffDakka

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Rolled 8 (1d10)

Don't mind me.

1. Alpha Legion
2. Emperor's Children
3. Thousand Sons
4. Black Legion
5. Iron Warriors
6. Word Bearers
7. World Eaters
8. Death Guard
9. Red Corsairs
0. Night Lords

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Tempestor Prime - 50
++power fist, command rod
Inquisitor Greyfax - 85

10 scions - 124
++2 melta guns
10 scions - 115
++3 grenade launchers
10 scions - 121
++3 flamers

3 sentinels - 180
++3 lascannons
3 sentinels - 165
++3 plasma cannons

Crassus Armored Transport - 232
++4 heavy bolters

1074

What would you suggest to bring this list up to 1500 points? The special weapons stay because those are the kasrkin models I have, the crassus stays because that's the whole point of the army. I would prefer non static, non-leman russ options.

>>54722284
no

>>54722349

Anon, in that case you'd basically just be running the most broken faction you can get your hands on, but with your own favorite Legion's fluff and paint.

This is minmaxing, but minmaxing combined with faction cultism. I'm not exactly sure what to call this, but am fairly sure this is some sort of advanced faggotry.

>>54722401
500pts of melee Ogryns to go in the Crassus.

>>54721120
>I don't know what precision targeting is.

>>54722202
>>54722136
SM: Normies and kids
Chaos: Edgelords
Tyranids: Women
IG: /pol/
Orks: Autists (the likeable kind)
Eldar: Powergamers
Tau: Assburgers and weebs
Necrons: Nihilists
DEldar: Deviants
Sisters: Neckbeards

Who did i forget?

>>54722349
That's not really anything new. Space Marines have always worked that way for example.

>>54722401
More troops, god damn you have like zero board presence with that shit. Throw in either some regular guard squads or a conscript platoon with a commissar here or there to actually hold objectives and what not. Something that won't ensure you get tabled by turn 3.

>>54722401
conscripts and some bullgryns.

>>54722456
I would make an argument about that but I actually did get just about tabled at turn three today so that's good advice

>>54722439
>Precision Targeting
>Commissar hides behind a Leman Russ

Your Snipers are harmless!

I mean, unless they can deep strike or something. Honestly, a bunch of snipers that could teleport would be the perfect counter to any guard army.

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>>54722445
>eldar
>powergamers
>not gay trap faggots

you really make me think

>>54722445
GSC, Clowns, AdMech

Man, chaos is still losing hard, someone should be deploying battalions of Soul Grinders by now.

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>>54722445
It's not RP off the table I'm not a deviant
REEEEEEEEEE

>>54722500
That's the people you posted, not Eldar.

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>>54722445
AdMech

>>54722496
Raptors and Warp Talons up the ass.

But really though, it's a shame that Chaos doesn't get access to snipers of any kind. Hopefully they'll get a psychic power of some kind that can help.

>>54722511
I only own one soul grinder and why the fuck would I want more of them they aren't even that good.

>>54722500
calling someone a faggot powergamer is redundant if you ask me

>>54722510
GSC: 40 year olds.
Clowns: Never seen anyone play them.
Admech: Imperial Guard players second army.

>>54722445
So I'm a deviant, powergamer /pol/ack

pdf of chaos dex when?

>>54722511
>just soul grinders
>not a full army of just daemon engines like titans and knights and maulfiends and shit

Step up your game!

>>54722445
I'm a Normie/kid, weeb/aspie, deviant. Cool.

>>54722600
that describes about 90% of 4chan so yes

>>54722445
>/pol/
>edgelord
>powergamer
>weeb

sigh .. i guess there is just no wining.

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Are Berzerkers a good answer to conscript bubblewrap? Are Rhinos good enough to get them there?

>>54722445
I'm a Normie/kid/edgelord/neverseenayoneplaythem, sweet!

I should go tell my room-mate he's a woman because he plays the feminids

>>54722638
khorne berzerkers are a good answer to almost anything.

and rhinos can take the overwatch of constricpts pretty well so yeah they good

>>54722199
i would assume they often work with the navy when they are assigned to space-related tasks like holding down secured areas of a space hulk.

>>54722626
>90 percent of 4chan are wannabe nazi shitheads

yeah no, there's a containment board for a reason

>>54722445
>normalfag
>edgelord
>/pol/
>likable autist
>nihilist

I think the proper term for this is "way too much time and money, way too little things to do"

>>54722675

Even /pol/ isn't mostly nazi LARPers, I don't think. Most flags are AnCap or Libertarian.

>8th ed rulebook mentions the possibility of "unaligned" models
I don't suppose GW could be planning to do a "miscellaneous" codex with shit like Khraves, Laer, Hrud, Exodites etc and all the other random shit mentioned in 40k but only really worth one or two models? That would be neat if unlikely.

>>54722675
Honestly this
>>54722713
At this point actual nazis are a minority on /pol/, there are far more libertarians, deus vulters and ethnic nationalists (that is to say people who are so called "racial realists" but not nazis).

>>54722716
Chapter approved coming this winter is a good bet for all that.

>>54722445

>Imperial Agents (Inquisition)
>AdMech
>Harlequins

Well, I've just got to go and be a huge fucking hipster. Also I play Kill Team rather than 40k proper. Pretty sure that does not refute my previous statement.

>>54722716
No. Most fortifications are "unaligned".

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>>54722511
SOULS FOR THE SOUL FORGE! CLAIM KONOR FOR CHAOS! WE HAV A SERIOUS CHANCE OF WINNING THIS WORLD!

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>>54722445
>tfw edgy autist

So CSM leaks are out. Will Chaosfags stop bitching now?

You guys are on par with Space Marines finally. I daresay you actually have more than we do in the customization and unit options department.

>>54722445

>I'm a /pol/ likable autist nihilist
...yep.

Predictions for Blood Angels chapter tactics?

>>54722445

>/pol/ for 20 years...

Hmmm...

>>54722716

>Tarellian Dog Soldiers
>Automated Sentry Guns
>Kroot Mercenaries
>Human Mercenaries

Possibly in the grimdark of the far future as far as Chapter Approved is concerned. Recent White Dwarf books have put a spotlight and emphasis on conversions, but ultimately it's all subservient to getting 8e off the ground.

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I'm looking to start CSM and with the current model range being the age it is I want to use HH models, and possibly make a force that could function in both games, is that actually possible? From what we've seen the chaos codex seems to have little focus on renegade chapters or warbands that don't use actual chaos units and stick to legion structure. Would I be better off using SM? I wanted to do a force that would have a fair few apothecary equivalents, but being new I didn't see chaos lacked those.

>>54722803
Red Thirst: +1S during the fight phase.

>>54722561
renegade gaurd is a good source of snipers.
command squads can be 4 BS3+ snipers for 32 points as an elites.

>>54722819
That would be such a shitty buff. But seeing as how they like to constantly fuck us over I can see it happening.

I'd rather have advance and charge.

>>54722783
Carnac and kin have ruined the lore. They're never content

>>54722783

Where is our cost-efficient Repulsor tank then? Oh wait, we don't have one. And I have to buy, import, and risk my lungs to assemble a Leviathan Dreadnought just to have a chance at that Redemptor plasticshit that some kid can just buy off a store shelf. No, fuck you. Fuck you and fuck your space marines.

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Any fellow Renegade players here?
My Imperial Armour arrived today and i just made my first list for the models i have.

1x Commander with Khorne Covenant
1x 9 Command Squad with vox net
4x 10 Disciples w/ lascannon teams
1x 20 Mutant Rabble with Enforcer
1x 20 Milita with 4 flamers and Enforcer
1x 10 Heretek Marauders
1x Earthshaker Battery

1000 points total, what do you think?

>>54722803
>>54722819
>>54722870

I see the official Blood Angels successors getting their own chapter tactics deviations, either in actual chapter tactics and/or unique CP powers.

>>54722783
>CSM
>ever stopping bitching
They won't be happy till they have all the stuff space marines have, plus all the stuff they have AND a bunch of HH era stuff because "muh thousand year old vets"

>>54722872
OMFG YOU GREEDY NIGGERS CAN'T HAVE IT ALL!

That's the problem with Chaosfags. It's not enough to have Chaos marks, icons, legion rules, daemon summoning, cheap and fuck cultists, daemon engines.

They want to have all that stuff and then they turn around and say "where's OUR primaris stuff?"

You guys are the fucking worst.

>>54722872
>repulsor and redemptor
>good, let alone worth envying
Top kek, are you the same retard who thought that codex abbadon was Guillman tier yesterday? You faggots really need to get better at unit analysis.

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>>54722783
As long as i have legion rules i'm happy

>>54722872
>Why do things other than Chaos get anything ever waaah

So I've been reading the orders of battle/campaign fluff thingies in the BRB, and there's a few references of chaos beastmen.

We've already got tzaangors, it would be awesome to see pestigors and bloodgors get rules and models.

What's your over under on seeing these as releases, /tg/? And not a fine cast rerelease of the old beastmen minis.

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>>54722882
Your list looks fine, but I'm just curious if you like the new book compared to last ed? I think it's pretty bland now.

A friend intends to run a Knight in our 1k mini tournament. Should the rest of us just give up? It's probably just going to be Purge the Xenos games.

>>54722920

Well, to your credit you seem to be taking the exact same attitude that an actual Iron Warrior would.

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>>54722872
>get legion rules, tons of stratagems, great relics etc, things CSM have been bitching for years about
>but where is our [insert thing that it makes no sense lore-wise for CSM to have in any significant numbers, or at all]? Waahhhhhh
Faggots like you are the worst. How can it not get through your thick skull that you aren't just C:SM with even more chaos stuff?

>"A lot of people in chat are commenting "hey conscripts are too cheap", hey you're right. And like we've been saying since the edition dropped, if anything is too good or too bad, it's an outlier, it's on the list, and the clock is ticking. Sooner or later, that unit will probably get changed by Games Workshop, because they are aware of these things, and your friends at Frontline Gaming are telling you, if you're taking a massive conscript army, look at your watch and be prepared for changes. When that's gonna come is up to Games Workshop, if it comes is up to Games Workshop, but I would be willing to bet that, much like razorwing flocks, or some of the other units that are probably too cheap, like brimstone horrors, I wouldn't live in that realm of, I don't wanna say exploiting, of, maximizing a unit like that, because you're probably not gonna be able to use it in that way for a long period of time. That's just a little friendly tip. So Brandon Grant's army [BAO first place winning IG list] might be an army that only exists for a certain slice of time - and that might be a small slice."

Conscript nerf confirmed incoming.

>>54722932
I'm assuming we'll see the other gors at least, if only to make AOS daemon kits more compatible with 40k and therefore sell more shit with less effort.

>>54722972
Good. Spam armies are shit, the more GW makes it so that good lists are fluffy ones that rely on a variety of units, the better

>>54722972
Nice

Since I'm tired of waiting for new CSM models, what are everyone's thoughts on converting primaris intercessors into regular alpha legion csm and helblastors into combi plasma chosen?

>>54722991

It's possible, but it just seems like a horde unit specific to each god. Cultists are unaligned/Black Legion, devotees to any or all, but all the while still cannon fodder.

Tzaangors are Tzeentchian cannon fodder, and Poxwalkers are Nurgle cannon fodder. Khorne might get a different unit entirely, though some form of beastman seems likely, but either way they're going to be a bloodied, angry swarm of cannon fodder. Not sure what Slaanesh would get, if anything, but having specific pleasure-cult cultists might be neat for an alternative kit.

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So what are you working on tonight, anons? Im putting the finishing touches on pic related

>>54722972
>don't be an autist

Okay.

>>54722908
It was hinted in the new lore that it'll prolly happen.
>calm your REEEEEE'ing ghat damn.

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>>54722783
I am pleased with what has been delivered. This with the addition of the Hellforged vehicles in the FW Index has left me satisfied.

Our boons are not incredible, but they will allow us to stand on par with the hated loyalists.

>>54722972
Love when people hop on the most broken lists and get fucked.

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>>54722936
Another Renegades player here, bland is putting it lightly. I admit I'm fairly new, but I just can't win with what I have of them.
Gotten to the point of just going to the store to paint and hang out rather than play, until I can get new stuff.

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>>54721092
2500 Point List using models I own

>Celestine + Geminae
>2x5 Dominion Squads with 8 Storm Bolters total
>19 Seraphime with 4x Hand Flamer

>Ultramarines
>Captain in Terminator Armor w/ Santic, Relic Blade, and Storm Bolter
>5 man Intercessor Squad
>5 man Scout Squad sniper-missile
>10 man Tactical Squad bolter-missile
>2x5 Terminators Assault Squad (8 TH-SH)
>2x5 Terminator Squad (2x Cyclone, 2x Chain Fist, 6x Power Fist)
>Venerable Dreadnought w/ Twin Las & Fist
>Predator with all the lascannons + Storm Bolter

Theory: Seraphim turn-1 charge the enemy (doable) while Dominions & Celestine follow close behind to support. Terminators teleport right behind them and charge by turn 2.

Predator & Dread work on vehicles.

I've asked for opinions before...but I have an additional one:

1st Company Terminators in 1500 points. That basically would be Captain, the 4 squads of terminators, the ven dread, and predator. 23 models in 1500 points.

Would I be better off dropping 2 Terminator squads and shoving in more bodies?

>>54722971

I will add that, what seems to have slipped under the radar, is that Helldrakes are real dragons now and not dragon-shaped fighter planes. They can assault other units and seem very competent in melee, especially since other flyers don't have much WS at all with which to fight back.

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>>54722783
As a night lord player, I am kinda annoyed, but not too upset. I just hope eventually Guard get's the LD stuff nerfed. I want to make a conscript memer cry.

>>54722955
knights aren't so bad anymore.
they didn't get any better but went up in cost significantly.
1 knight is normally fine

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>>54722936
I'm kinda mad they didnt include devotions and left out the cool units like blood slaughterers, zombies and blight drones.

But the current IA books seem like placeholders anyway. Until the complete ones get released i'll get some CSM units as allies.

>>54722955

Knights are fucking garbage against anything but very small elite armies.

>>54722972
Guilliman and Tau Commanders were also namedropped as things that are "too good and we knew they would be" or "hated" so I would hazard a guess they're also on GW's shitlist. I fear that GW might hold off on nerfing Guilliman because they want to sell his expensive new model, though. But Tau Commanders are probably going to eat the nerfbat really hard because if there's one thing GW has their eye on this edition more than unbalanced units, it's unbalanced units that make the game experience really unfun for new players and drive away customers the way Riptides did.

Played with my Ultras for the first time in 8th.

Holy shit Adept of the Codex is broken, but I love it.

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>>54722920
>Identical Chapter Tactics
I want to be mad, but I can't. IW/Fists is one of my favorite rivalries, and the thought of the two armies accustomed to fighting from battlements saying "fuck it" and running to the middle to fight because cover does nothing for either of them makes me smile. They're both so good at what they do it devolves into the Iron Cage all over again.

>>54723111
Dude, Robby G is a primarch - he's supposed to be good - that's the whole fucking point. They have had more than enough time to tone him down if they wanted to do so.

>>54723093

Knights are actually worse now in toughness and firepower.
On paper, they're both about the exact same in toughness against AT weapons,
but now in 8e they can take wounds from your regular infantry, where before they were immune to them.
They also lost their crazy stomp attacks, and blast weapons entirely, so they have no anti horde capability.

>>54721193
>>not stubbornly, masochisticaly doing the thing you hate forever when that was the duty you were given
Weaksauce, desu

>>54722932
GOD I HOPE THIS HAPPENS. i can finally use my wfb 5th edition beastmen again in 40k

>>54722783
Looks good so far, has a few things I'm miffed about like losing demonic mounts, but I can just take the index ones so it's not to bad, getting new chaos tactical models would be nice.

>>54723039
I looked it over a couple of times, didn't see a "warherd" in any of those slaaneshi orders of battle.

And cultists are a catchall for the "human factor" once chaos rolls into town.

I'd like to see new khorngors and pestigors just for the throwback. The tzaangors are cool sculpts, even if they are a bit shit in the game.

>>54722882
>>54722936
>>54723073
>>54723101

Bland is indeed lightly. Another player here. I'm so hurt over it I honestly want to sell or convert to Chem Dogs. Not trying to 'follow the flow' - but rather, I'm fucked up. I've had a lot of personal loss in real life... my renegades were bought for me by my father back in 2007-08 as gifts. They mean a lot to me. I've played them ever since... and now they are so bad I can't even use the army list I built long ago. All my theme and flavor is gone. They're just on the shelf collecting dust.

I won't sell/convert... its just hard to want to play them now when what I own is useless - meanwhile WAAC-fag all-tanks-with-chaos-marines (except Iron Warriors) are in perfectly acceptable positions.

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chaos primaris confirmed

>>54723123
We'll see, I think the chances of him getting nerfed next update are around 50/50. They might wait til a few Codexes come out for Factions that don't have a Primarch equivalent, and if those guys can't handle it after that, it'll be the nerfhammer. That's my guess.

Conscripts and Tau Commanders are definitely fucked though.

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>>54723073
>>54723101
>>54723146

Honestly guys I don't think they will ever update these books. FW doesn't really care about 40k anymore, as they are focusing on the new 30k shit.

If you want an example of this, look at the newest vehicle FW just put out. The 40k 8th ed list has super bland rules, and sucks pretty bad. While the Horus Heresy rules have tons of BS, costs more of course, but clearly has more effort into it.

Maybe I am just jaded, but I don't think even if they made the new book they would add devotions at all.

Personally, I have to use mine as regular guard now to represent the Bloody Handed Reavers I loved so much before.

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>>54721193
So you're saying your IFs aren't siege masters? Interesting.

>>54723123
Gulliman is undercosted. He can still be crazy good he just needs to be appropriately costed.

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>>54722920
Same. Don't give a shit that we don't have everything, I never wanted everything. I just wanna cut some fuckers open with an axe.

>>54721193
Play on a table with the proper amount of terrain, you idjit.

Actually - I'm kinda glad GW made this a thing. Now we have a really good litmus test for whether or not you're using enough terrain in your games. "Do you think Imperial Fists Chapter Tactics are bad? If yes, you're not using enough terrain."

>>54723149

I knew Bile would get involved with these guys. I mean, he's spent as long fucking with Astartes in a thousand different twisted ways, and suddenly the Imperium delivers "Astartes 2" with three new and exciting geneseed organs to play with.

>>54723111
Quad fusion blaster commanders are just straight up stupid right now. Something needs to be done.

>>54723212
Yeah. I think limiting them to one per Detachment and limiting their hardpoint options to a maximum of 3 weapons and the 4th can only be used for support systems is a good start. Also increase the points obviously, they're retardedly too cheap.

>>54723162
I had 2 Renegade things going. Nurgle Zombie Guard (now useless) and Renegade Mechanicus Cult troops (now useless.)

Regular guard works yeah - and that is why I'm tempted to just convert to Salvar Chemdogs by filling in Chaos shit. The models would otherwise be intact... then I could use them with other units.

>>54723149
Cawl and Fabius need to have a Pokemon fight.

>>54722561
That's what the Infernal Gaze power is for

>>54721174

But anon, Marines are the only reason a state of doubtfullness even exists.

If they didn't the Inperium would have just been destroyed already.

Is there anything out if the new Primaris marines that I should add to a deathwing army? Are redemptor dreadnoughts any good?

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Tyranids are fucking awesome.

>>54723256
dont ruin them, just play them with IG rules and hope for a better codex

I know its probably not a priority for FW but i wont believe that this sad excuse of an Imperial Armour will be all.

>>54723289
I did 14 wounds to a Tessaract Vault in one round of shooting with the plasma cannon.

>>54722638
>Charge 10 Bezerkers into Conscript blob
>Make 81 S5 attacks
>Laugh all the way to the bank

Repeat as needed

How do we think we will see them bring Conscripts down? They can't change point costs of then, since they are only one point cheaper then infantry men.

Would letting Commanders lot let them give them orders fix the issue?

>tfw none of my fetishes exist in the 40k canon so Slaneesh can't get to me

>>54722972
>>54723111
Funnily enough later in the same stream

"You know how we were talking about there were units that were gonna get better or worse?"
"Riptides can't get any worse!"
"Well Riptides are definitely on that list but they're not on the same side of the list as conscripts."

GW realized they overdid the Riptide nerf and are going to buff them back up a bit again.

Go snatch up those cheap eBay Riptides now before the FAQ.

>>54722872
being too poor to afford commission work to build your chinese resin

>>54722137
>>54722137
The virgin Imperium VS the Chad Chaos.

>>54723249
Tau went from being shitposted about when the index dropped back to pissing people off again
Can't keep the blueberries down

>>54723146
honestly I find theme mostly comes from modeling and paintjob.

sure much of the fancy and unique rules are gone. but you should still be able to put your army onto the tabel.

>>54721431
>Implying the IG posterboys won't be ultramar auxillia

>>54723330
They could possibly do something with morale, since Commissars make it a non-issue with them but I'm not an expert on balance.

>>54723330
>Would letting Commanders lot let them give them orders fix the issue?
No, that's the change the Conscript players are pushing for because they know it has no effect on what they're really for.

Look at what they did to Brimstones and Razorwing Flocks. Points increases. You think they won't do that to Conscripts because Infantry are 4ppm? Then Infantry will get upped to 5ppm. Trust me.

>>54723330
Make them immune to commissars and remove the ability to recieve orders.
Or maybe lower/reduce their armour save.

>>54723334
What if she/he/it can make them exist for you? Pretty good deal, right?

>>54723330
If commissars killed D6+*Number* guys Only for conscripts of course or something like that would fix it. Also maybe not let them get orders.

>>54723330
The issue is that they act as an extremely efficient meat shield. The fact that with orders they're efficient damage is a bonus. It's been stated that even without guns they'd still be frequently taken due to how good they are at crowding objectives and absorbing fire.

Simplest way to fix them is to limit their ability to benefit from Commissar, so they crumble faster. No orders would fix their damage, but not their durability.

>>54723196
New sculpts wouldn't hurt

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>>54721107
8th legion reporting, what units are you guys looking at using? Im thinking of doing Lord + Sorc dropping with three units of raptors to just bomb the fuck out of characters. Think I'm going to run a lot of cultists so maybe a Word Bearers detachment?

>>54723335
I wonder what they'll buff about them
Exactly what role does GW want them to hold? Fluff is longer range armour fucker or infantry mulcher

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>>54723334
Just because it's not covered in the lore doesn't mean it doesn't exist, there's probably people doing your fetish somewhere in the galaxy
They're probably doing it right now

>>54723330
no orders would work.
limiting the commisars ability may work.

perhaps have him execute d3/d6 instead of 1l for large squads. bigger groups of panicked men need more brutality to bring inline.

>>54723249
Interestingly, one of the other most popular Commander builds would be unaffected by that hardpoint restriction; 3*MP+ATS.

>>54723258
No Tryzan?

>>54723365
That'd be a pretty serious blow to IG overall. Vets would cost the same as Boyz.

>>54723260
That was covered in Chart-Anon's sniper comparison. It works, but is pretty mediocre.

>>54723330
Every time you would take a morale check with conscripts with a commissar you instead roll a die.
If its a one, both get removed because the conscripts scatter and the commissar starts executing as many as he can

Uhhhhh, anyone Finish Black legion yet?

Sigismund vs Abaddon.

>>54723330
Have a hard cap on how many Conscript Platoons you can take in an army max. So 1 Conscript Platoon per detachment so you have to take excess other choices as well and you can still only ever take 1 per detachment.

>>54723413
I honestly thought that commissars would just reduce battleshock losses by half.

>>54723429

Ideally, such a change would come with overall rebalancing of other unit costs to encourage combined arms builds.

>>54722872
>I have to buy, import, and risk my lungs

Holy shit. The level of laziness and circular logic in your little tantrum is fucking mindblowing. Resin isn't really unsafe to work with, first of all. If you're really that worried, buy one of the little breathing masks folks in Asia wear due to poor air quality. They cost like 2$, and it's really a basic material for hobby, or shit, even working on your house.

Second, don't rant about importing. Show me again all those customs forms you filled out? All you did was literally click a button. Also, I'm not sure but I think fw has an American warehouse now, so if that's where you live it's a totally invalid concern.

Anyone know if Huron received any changes in the CSM codex? He was one of the best HQs in the 6e dex, so it sucks seeing how bland he's become.

>>54723400
True but I'm resigning myself to buying some AOS blood warriors from ebay and converting them. I'm too fucking impatient to wait anymore.

>>54723429
You say that like it's necessarily a bad thing.

>>54723451

You already know that Sigismund jobs to Abaddon and the greatest evil sword in the universe and the Black Templars pretend nothing happened ever since.

>>54723429
Boyz have 6+ saves and BS 5+.

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>>54723365

5ppm for guardsman was overpriced, though. The current pricing for guard and conscripts actually makes good sense, it's just silly that conscripts are more efficient at taking orders than line infantry are.

If the roles were reversed so that infantry could blob into 50 and take orders but conscripts couldn't receive orders at all (inferior training and whathaveyou), I think that would be the ideal solution. You get the impressive dakka out of a big platoon, but you have to pay more for the training. Conscripts would be reduced to just meatshields, not firebases.

>>54723330
Orders have to be rolled for to see if they work for conscripts. A Commissar would only be a reroll for morale plus killing a guy. So you fail a morale role, Commissar kills a guy and you reroll. You fail that, then follow rules for failed test

>>54723351
It just doesn't make any real sense. For 160 points you get a guy who can kill a tank every turn.

Enclaves is bigger and more uniqur than other <Septs>
Is it going to be a special army layout in the dex? Plus, you need something other than supcom detachment cause 8 HQs

>>54723487
Ooh, I like Commissar giving morale reroll.

>>54723474
Boyz are S4 T4

>>54723487
Commissars giving morale reroll would be a good change. Still powerful, but not "fuck LD it don't matter" powerful

>>54723513
Yes, which is why they should be the same cost instead of cheaper.

>>54723486
The big problem with conscripts isn't the orders, it's that 50 and a commissar is way too difficult to shift.

>>54723487

This is actually how it used to work, kind of. Back in 3rd if you failed a Ld test, the Commissar executed a dude and you rolled on his leadership instead of the unit's. Then, if you failed that one, the unit fragged the commissar and bolted entirely.

>>54723488
I never said it was perfectly balanced though

>>54723504
No one else has got a "special army layout" yet. White Scars don't get bike troops. World Eaters don't even get Berzerker troops in the Codex if I'm not mistaken. Your blueberry snowflakes aren't getting that kind of attention.

>>54723513
yes and thats dumb. Boyz should be a cheap horde unit and not space marines without armor

>>54723470

Abaddon doesn't have Drach'nyen in this book.

Sigismund is 1000+

>>54723569
They're bigger stronger and tougher than humans. They are a cheap horde unit.

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>>54723537

Hmmm...that actually sounds like a commissar problem, not a conscript problem, since by default morale rules conscripts will die in droves every melee they lose without the commissar there to negate it. Sorry if that's been said already, i just jumped into the conversation midway.

>>54723543
That'd need to be changed somewhat.

Maybe you always get the reroll if youre within 3", and you can execute a guy to have casualties reduce your LD by half the normal amount?

>>54723551
Then the army literally doesn't work since it is an 8 HQ group
Unless a couple get combined into a LoW unit or something then it fits that detachment

Whats the consensus on running Abbadon with 20 man marine blobs?

>>54723576
Weren't they S3 in 7th?

>>54723592
So take two of those detachments if you want 8HQs so badly.

God taufags are so fucking obnoxious, definitely worse than chaoscunts.

>>54723584
Yes, if you step back and look at it, commissars letting units just lolnope morale is the issue.

>>54723592
Just take two detachments? The bigger question are the FSE exclusive signature systems. What about things like Fusion Blades and Earth Caste Pilot Array?

Doing a 40k team tourney with my buddy. He's bringing IW. All I've got are loyalist SM so should I bring BT or be iron bros with an all dreadnought IH list?